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Roc Nation, Tidal File Court Papers Claiming Exclusive Streaming Rights to Prince's Catalog

Uhhh ohhh here we goooo ..........



Earlier this month on Nov. 2, Universal Music Publishing Group announced it had won the bidding war to become the exclusive worldwide publishing administrator for Prince's entire song catalog -- released and unreleased -- effective immediately, putting to bed one of the biggest question marks regarding the legend's music since his unexpected death on April 21. But in new paperwork filed Friday (Nov. 11) in Minnesota district court and reviewed by Billboard, representatives for Roc Nation claim that a pre-existing contract granted Jay Z's streaming service Tidal exclusive streaming distribution rights to Prince's catalog, and is asking the court to allow its claim to stand and requesting "access to information concerning Bremer Trust's business dealings in its capacity as Special Administrator" for the estate.



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Reply #1 posted 11/14/16 10:50pm

ForeverPaisley

omg They are greedy litle mongrels! Likely the deal they MIGHT have had was existing albums at the time of the deal. hmph!

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Reply #2 posted 11/15/16 12:21am

antonb

Well you can't blame them really.Prince did make it clear in the media he was dealing with tidal.Some kind of deal with them must have been reached. They are fighting for there rights, Your just worried it's going to delay opening the vault. biggrin
Reply #3 posted 11/15/16 2:38am

EmmaMcG

antonb said:

Well you can't blame them really.Prince did make it clear in the media he was dealing with tidal.Some kind of deal with them must have been reached. They are fighting for there rights, Your just worried it's going to delay opening the vault. biggrin


Well that just about sums up my feelings on the matter...
Reply #4 posted 11/15/16 7:08am

OperatingThetan

I'd trust Jay-Z and Tidal with Prince's music more than Bremer and Tyka Nelson.

Prince trusted Tidal - he was still working with them and delivering exclusive material right up to the week of his passing.

Prince however, did not approve of anyone running the Estate now, nor the recent deal with Universal.

If the Estates deal with Universal infringes on Prince's pre-existing working telationship with Tidal, Tidal has every reason to act.
Reply #5 posted 11/15/16 7:17am

donnyenglish

The problem is that the contract was probably oral. Oral contracts are enforceable and I'm sure JayZ can prove that one existed. It is not hard to establish that the course of conduct by Prince and Tidal demonstates that there was an agreement, even if it was not in writing. The problem is that Prince is dead. (I have to pause everytime I write that dreaded "dead" word, damn). So the heirs are in control of his property and they can modify or terminate that contract, especially since I'm sure Prince did not agree to any specified length of time for the deal. The other problem is that Tidal released several additional albums after his death. While he may have had permission to do that if he were still alive, he was not alive and that "property" became property of the Trust. Tidal will probably lose this one and will have to pay a lot of money. I think it is a shame because I think we all know that Prince would not want his Estate to take Tidal down. My final thought is that Prince made his music for us. He didn't make it for Bremer. He didn't really make it for his Estate. He made it for us. We now "own" it in a spiritual sense and none of us care who makes a penny from his music. Hopefully, the parties involved figure this out to ensure that Prince's fans have access to his beautiful music.

Reply #6 posted 11/15/16 7:28am

antonb

If it was just a handshake, I will bare my backside on my town hall steps! Seriously though, it just seems like the Estate (whoever they are), are trying to void whatever deal Prince made with tidal, so they can put out the music anywhere to make more money. That's how it looks to me anyhow. But I'm not the brightest! (don't answer that!)
Reply #7 posted 11/15/16 7:29am

namepeace

donnyenglish said:

The problem is that the contract was probably oral. Oral contracts are enforceable and I'm sure JayZ can prove that one existed. It is not hard to establish that the course of conduct by Prince and Tidal demonstates that there was an agreement, even if it was not in writing. The problem is that Prince is dead. (I have to pause everytime I write that dreaded "dead" word, damn). So the heirs are in control of his property and they can modify or terminate that contract, especially since I'm sure Prince did not agree to any specified length of time for the deal.

You're right. The "course of conduct" is evidence of an agreement, but without a written agreement, or estate documents, it remains to be seen whether Tidal can enforce the agreement long-term, as the estate now has control of the assets.


The other problem is that Tidal released several additional albums after his death. While he may have had permission to do that if he were still alive, he was not alive and that "property" became property of the Trust. Tidal will probably lose this one and will have to pay a lot of money. I think it is a shame because I think we all know that Prince would not want his Estate to take Tidal down.

True. Arguably, Tidal could have done so in good faith prior to the estate being opened, but now that the trust is in place, in the absence of a written agreement, Tidal is likely out of luck. I don't know whether Tidal would have to pay damages if the Trust failed to issue a cease and desist, or if Tidal continued to stream music prior to the "superseding" agreement with Universal.

My final thought is that Prince made his music for us. He didn't make it for Bremer. He didn't really make it for his Estate. He made it for us. We now "own" it in a spiritual sense and none of us care who makes a penny from his music. Hopefully, the parties involved figure this out to ensure that Prince's fans have access to his beautiful music.


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Reply #8 posted 11/15/16 7:35am

InwardJim

I've read elsewhere that 19 of the albums TIDAL added after P's death may not actually have been included in that initial deal. Prince did make his partnership with TIDAL known, but likely also as a much needed PR boost for TIDAL. It very likely wasn't in perpetuity, nor all-inclusive. Remember the deal with Kobalt that Prince promoted in the press and statements but never actually went anywhere?

I think TIDAL's financial troubles and realizing that they could lose one of their exclusives, they might have a lot of people duck out and lose a hefty monthly does of cash. The problem with oral agreements is that unless there is an impartial observer witness to the entire affair, it's hard to believe because there has been quite the history of businesses saying that something happened that is plausible but not proveable.

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Reply #9 posted 11/15/16 7:36am

paisleypearl

I hope this doesn't take years to figure out.
Reply #10 posted 11/15/16 9:27am

luxegolightly

I'm no attorney but the waters seem pretty muddy since Tidal has the albums. If Prince only agreed to release some music on the platform, why would they have access to everything? Even if it was an oral agreement and a handshake, Jay Z clearly didn't break into the vault and steal the masters. This is nothing but another cash grab by the family because they want to offer the music to every streaming service possible.
Reply #11 posted 11/15/16 9:39am

laurarichardson

luxegolightly said:

I'm no attorney but the waters seem pretty muddy since Tidal has the albums. If Prince only agreed to release some music on the platform, why would they have access to everything? Even if it was an oral agreement and a handshake, Jay Z clearly didn't break into the vault and steal the masters. This is nothing but another cash grab by the family because they want to offer the music to every streaming service possible.

I think the family wants to go with Jay Z they went to New York to meet with him and at this point they have no say. They will have a say once the estate has been settled.

Reply #12 posted 11/15/16 9:42am

laurarichardson

InwardJim said:

I've read elsewhere that 19 of the albums TIDAL added after P's death may not actually have been included in that initial deal. Prince did make his partnership with TIDAL known, but likely also as a much needed PR boost for TIDAL. It very likely wasn't in perpetuity, nor all-inclusive. Remember the deal with Kobalt that Prince promoted in the press and statements but never actually went anywhere?

I think TIDAL's financial troubles and realizing that they could lose one of their exclusives, they might have a lot of people duck out and lose a hefty monthly does of cash. The problem with oral agreements is that unless there is an impartial observer witness to the entire affair, it's hard to believe because there has been quite the history of businesses saying that something happened that is plausible but not proveable.

Are you guys reading the court docs? Besides oral agreements Tidal is saying they have a Equity Term Agreement and they spell out what that agreement states in the claim. They are saying the deal was for 5 years and that the material is only exclusive for 90 days. They are looking for 2 albums of material. Why does Breamer not want to fulfill that agreement and then move on from there.

If Prince did not want them to have the music why would he have given it to them to stream?

Reply #13 posted 11/15/16 9:45am

laurarichardson

antonb said:

If it was just a handshake, I will bare my backside on my town hall steps! Seriously though, it just seems like the Estate (whoever they are), are trying to void whatever deal Prince made with tidal, so they can put out the music anywhere to make more money. That's how it looks to me anyhow. But I'm not the brightest! (don't answer that!)

I think you are correct. I don't think it was all a handshake. The Estate just wants to void the deal despite the fact that the music will only bring in pennies a stream. I just hope when this is over the family takes over and continues to run NPG records and puts out music away from the industry. Which loves to give music away for pennies.

Reply #14 posted 11/15/16 10:07am

malbena

It'd be nice to credit the orger whose name escapes me and who posted this information on a previous thread. I understand the thread needed to be investigated before pursuing follow up conversation but it is a matter of fairness to give him credit so as not to be confused on ownership of this latest information.

As for this news, it is likely to take as long as prior legal dispute. I'm afraid we won't know more for a while. I'd like Jay-Z to win as opposed to Universal. In several interviews, Prince made it clear he was not fond of Universal while supporting Tidal later on.

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Reply #15 posted 11/15/16 10:58am

wonderboy

Don't forget that the estate is working against a tight clock. The IRS is expecting a big payment just after the first of the year. If it's not paid, they will begin ceassing assets. They will aim for the largest ones first which is likely the back catalog.

We need this process to quickly proceed to close so that monies can be earned and taxes paid on time.

Reply #16 posted 11/15/16 10:59am

laurarichardson

malbena said:

It'd be nice to credit the orger whose name escapes me and who posted this information on a previous thread.  I understand the thread needed to be investigated before pursuing follow up conversation but it is a matter of fairness to give him credit so as not to be confused on ownership of this latest information.


 


As for this news, it is likely to take as long as prior legal dispute.  I'm afraid we won't know more for a while.  I'd like Jay-Z to win as opposed to Universal.  In several interviews, Prince made it clear he was not fond of Universal while supporting Tidal later on.


// Yes, complain about Universal and that is why I am so puzzled as to why the estate would go back with them. I think something shady us going with Universal.
Reply #17 posted 11/15/16 11:03am

kingricefan

If there was a contract between Prince and Tidal, then it needs to be honored. If it's only for five years then what's the big deal? Tidal (I think) illegally added those other albums after Prince passed away. I think most of the fans are more concerned about what music is in the Vault and when it's going to be made available to us. I already have all of Prince's albums (as most of us here probably do) so this Tidal thing is really not going to affect me personally (unless they're going to claim that they have the rights to anything in the Vault). I don't get my music from any type of streaming services now and I probably won't in the future. The only time I purchased downloads was when the NPG Music Club was online and offering albums for purchase. At least then I knew that the money was going directly into Prince's pocket and not being skimmed off to line some record company mogul's pocket......

Reply #18 posted 11/15/16 11:08am

laurarichardson

wonderboy said:

Don't forget that the estate is working against a tight clock.  The IRS is expecting a big payment just after the first of the year.  If it's not paid, they will begin ceassing assets.  They will aim for the largest ones first which is likely the back catalog.


 


We need this process to quickly proceed to close so that monies can be earned and taxes paid on time.


The government is not going to immediatly seize anything. The govt takes payment plans or you can pay quarterly. As long as the govt knows money is coming in they will work with you. People get stuff seized when they are ignoring numerous warnings or disputing. If the estate was worried they would have taken the 40 million from Tidal to stream vault material because I doubt they are going to get 40 million from each streaming services especially if they think the estate is disparate for money.
Reply #19 posted 11/15/16 11:10am

laurarichardson

kingricefan said:

If there was a contract between Prince and Tidal, then it needs to be honored. If it's only for five years then what's the big deal? Tidal (I think) illegally added those other albums after Prince passed away. I think most of the fans are more concerned about what music is in the Vault and when it's going to be made available to us. I already have all of Prince's albums (as most of us here probably do) so this Tidal thing is really not going to affect me personally (unless they're going to claim that they have the rights to anything in the Vault). I don't get my music from any type of streaming services now and I probably won't in the future. The only time I purchased downloads was when the NPG Music Club was online and offering albums for purchase. At least then I knew that the money was going directly into Prince's pocket and not being skimmed off to line some record company mogul's pocket.....


// I don't get it either 5 years and only exclusive for 90 days.
Reply #20 posted 11/15/16 11:11am

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Reply #21 posted 11/15/16 12:29pm

LIBRA

A couple of things.

1.) Prince died. Any "DEAL" is null and void unless it is written in the will. No will no "Deal."

2.) Since there is no will it would have to be a written contract. No contract and we all know why.

3.) Now that prince is dead and there is no will nor contract it will have to be a NEW contract with his estate.

4.) Tital is in $$ trouble. They have not paid some artist per reports. Yes It is aslo said that Tital uploaded 19 Albums AFTER he died. They do not have a right to do so.

It is also said that they never paid Prince $750,000 for his last CD.

I see this as their way to get some cash and pay off some debt.

But realistically they do NOT have a shot at this.

link:

https://www.digitalmusicn...-catalog/

[Edited 11/15/16 12:30pm]

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Reply #22 posted 11/15/16 2:15pm

laurarichardson

LIBRA said:

A couple of things. 


 


1.)  Prince died.  Any "DEAL" is null and void unless it is written in the will. No will no "Deal."


 


2.) Since there is no will it would have to be a written contract.  No contract and we all know why


 


3.) Now that prince is dead and there is no will nor contract it will have to be a NEW contract with his estate.  


 


4.) Tital is in $$  trouble. They have not paid some artist per reports. Yes It is aslo said that Tital uploaded 19 Albums AFTER he died. They do not have a right to do so. 


 


It is also said that they never paid Prince $750,000 for his last CD. 


 


I see this as their way to get some cash and pay off some debt.  


 


But realistically they do NOT have a shot at this. 


 


 


link: 


 


 


https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/11/13/tidal-shutdown-prince-catalog/ 


 


 

[Edited 11/15/16 12:30pm]


If you have a claim you can file with the court. Monies and contracts do not end because people die. Tidal is saying that they have an agreement and the court will look at their claims and decide.
[Edited 11/15/16 14:16pm]
Reply #23 posted 11/15/16 3:18pm

luxegolightly

This quote from the article stuck out the most to me:

"...and that the estate has "not found proof" that the advance, which TMZ notes as $750,000, was paid."

With the way Prince was about his money and his art I find it hard to believe that he gave Tidal anything without some money changing hands. I don't know if they need to start digging in the sand in the Turks and Caicos or knocking holes in the walls at PP, but I'm not buying it until Tidal fails to produce proof that they paid him.
Reply #24 posted 11/15/16 3:39pm

Lovejunky

luxegolightly said:

This quote from the article stuck out the most to me: "...and that the estate has "not found proof" that the advance, which TMZ notes as $750,000, was paid." With the way Prince was about his money and his art I find it hard to believe that he gave Tidal anything without some money changing hands. I don't know if they need to start digging in the sand in the Turks and Caicos or knocking holes in the walls at PP, but I'm not buying it until Tidal fails to produce proof that they paid him.

May very well have been a cash deal..Prince bought houses with Cash...asked for Cash at concerts etc...Gave Cash Bonuse...he Liked Cash..

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Reply #25 posted 11/15/16 3:48pm

AnonymousFan

I sincerely hope Tidal gets these streaming rights.
Reply #26 posted 11/15/16 5:23pm

rogifan

I'm sorry but making his music exclusive to Tidal is dumb. The majority of paying streaming music consumers use other services. These consumers are not going to sign up with Tidal just to get Prince music. Renting music is the future whether Prince agreed with it or not. If the Estate/Family want a whole new generation to experience Prince's music they'll make it available on as many platforms as possible. Also we know Tidal is in financial trouble. So what happens if Apple, Google or Amazon snatch them up? Prince music never becomes available online again? That would be a disaster.
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Reply #27 posted 11/15/16 6:02pm

luvsexy4all

maybe all this is publicity...

Reply #28 posted 11/15/16 7:26pm

laurarichardson

rogifan said:

I'm sorry but making his music exclusive to Tidal is dumb. The majority of paying streaming music consumers use other services. These consumers are not going to sign up with Tidal just to get Prince music. Renting music is the future whether Prince agreed with it or not. If the Estate/Family want a whole new generation to experience Prince's music they'll make it available on as many platforms as possible. Also we know Tidal is in financial trouble. So what happens if Apple, Google or Amazon snatch them up? Prince music never becomes available online again? That would be a disaster.

-- Those services will pay a penny a stream. The family will not get upfront money.
Reply #29 posted 11/15/16 7:52pm

steakfinger

OperatingThetan said:

Prince however, did not approve of anyone running the Estate now, nor the recent deal with Universal.

If he actually cared (which it doesn't seem he did), then he was a [Snip - luv4u] and his [Snip - luv4u] should've left a will. End of story.

Reply #30 posted 11/15/16 7:56pm

steakfinger

laurarichardson said:

I think something shady us going with Universal.

You would.

Reply #31 posted 11/15/16 8:39pm

bilbolives

http://www.startribune.com/prince-estate-files-lawsuit-over-streaming-rights-to-late-star-s-music/401389105/

The Minneapolis Star Tribune is also reporting on this story.

Reply #32 posted 11/15/16 8:40pm

bashraka

steakfinger said:

OperatingThetan said:

Prince however, did not approve of anyone running the Estate now, nor the recent deal with Universal.

If he actually cared (which it doesn't seem he did), then he was a [Snip - luv4u] and his [Snip - luv4u] should've left a will. End of story.

You are right. Unfortunately, Prince did not plan on putting into place legal protective measures that would name an executor of his creative and business properties in the event of death. Prince's business partners has creditors and shareholders to satisfy-that doesn't cease because Prince is no longer alive. All fans can do now is hope these business matters can be resolved as efficiently and quickly as possible.

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Reply #33 posted 11/15/16 9:57pm

bashraka

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Reply #34 posted 11/15/16 10:53pm

funksterr

"both written and ORAL agreements" lol

Reply #35 posted 11/15/16 10:59pm

oliviacamron

steakfinger said:

 



OperatingThetan said:


Prince however, did not approve of anyone running the Estate now, nor the recent deal with Universal.

 


If he actually cared (which it doesn't seem he did), then he was a [Snip - luv4u] and his [Snip - luv4u] should've left a will. End of story.


Thems fightin words [Snip - luv4u]
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Reply #36 posted 11/16/16 12:04am

mjscarousal

LIBRA said:

A couple of things.

1.) Prince died. Any "DEAL" is null and void unless it is written in the will. No will no "Deal."

2.) Since there is no will it would have to be a written contract. No contract and we all know why.

3.) Now that prince is dead and there is no will nor contract it will have to be a NEW contract with his estate.

4.) Tital is in $$ trouble. They have not paid some artist per reports. Yes It is aslo said that Tital uploaded 19 Albums AFTER he died. They do not have a right to do so.

It is also said that they never paid Prince $750,000 for his last CD.

I see this as their way to get some cash and pay off some debt.

But realistically they do NOT have a shot at this.

link:

https://www.digitalmusicn...-catalog/

[Edited 11/15/16 12:30pm]

THANKS for saying this. I tried to say this but no one believed. Its shocking so many Prince fans have so much trust in Tidal. I hope they DONT win, I knew this was going to be a messy battle disbelief

Reply #37 posted 11/16/16 3:04am

laurarichardson

steakfinger said:

 



OperatingThetan said:


Prince however, did not approve of anyone running the Estate now, nor the recent deal with Universal.

 


If he actually cared (which it doesn't seem he did), then he was a [Snip - luv4u] and his [Snip - luv4u] should've left a will. End of story.


--- And if he willed it to his family the music might have been sold by now.
[Edited 11/16/16 8:37am]
Reply #38 posted 11/16/16 4:29am

laurarichardson

steakfinger said:

laurarichardson said:

I think something shady us going with Universal.

You would.

Because Prince openly complained about them so why would the estate run back to them.

Can you answer that question?

Reply #39 posted 11/16/16 4:31am

laurarichardson

bashraka said:

steakfinger said:

If he actually cared (which it doesn't seem he did), then he was a [Snip - luv4u] and his [Snip - luv4u] should've left a will. End of story.

You are right. Unfortunately, Prince did not plan on putting into place legal protective measures that would name an executor of his creative and business properties in the event of death. Prince's business partners has creditors and shareholders to satisfy-that doesn't cease because Prince is no longer alive. All fans can do now is hope these business matters can be resolved as efficiently and quickly as possible.

Once again some of his assest could be in the LLC which if structured a certain way could protect the assest from probate. Also some asset could be in trust.

[Edited 11/16/16 8:43am]

Reply #40 posted 11/16/16 4:40am

laurarichardson

bilbolives said:

http://www.startribune.com/prince-estate-files-lawsuit-over-streaming-rights-to-late-star-s-music/401389105/

The Minneapolis Star Tribune is also reporting on this story.

---------

This article is from Forbes and dispels some of the foolishness from TMZ. Also McMillian is saying that there was never a 40 million dollar deal.

http://www.forbes.com/sit...03bc304240

http://www.rollingstone.c...ng-w450721

I kind of wonder why the estate does not just go get a court order to have all of the music pulled off of Tidal. Also find it interesting that NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing are still in tact.

The federal suit was filed by NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing Tuesday, though the estate and Roc Nation have been at odds over Prince's catalog for months. In 2015, Prince pulled his music from all streaming services, but struck a deal with Tidal to premiere his LP Ht N Run: Phase One. In June, Tidal added 15 lesser-known Prince albums, though the Prince estate claims they did so without authorization.

A representative for Tidal declined to comment. A representative from NPG was not immediately available to comment.

On Friday, Roc Nation filed a petition asking the court to enforce what they claimed was an agreed-upon arrangement with Prince concerning his digital catalog. The move came after Prince's estate inked a deal with Univers...this month to become the worldwide publishing administrator for Prince's music, threatening Tidal's supposed exclusive rights as it would allow the musician's catalog to be added to additional streaming services.

In its new suit, NPG acknowledged the initial Roc Nation deal, but said it was only supposed to last for 90 days. It went on to claim that when Tidal added those 15 Prince albums in June, Roc Nation started "exploiting many copyrighted Prince works in addition to the works that comprise the Hit N Run: Phase 1 album."

The suit goes on to claim that Roc Nation has yet to produce documents to support their asserted claim that they have "both oral and written" agreements to exclusively stream Prince's entire catalog on Tidal.

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Reply #41 posted 11/16/16 5:53am

rogifan

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

I'm sorry but making his music exclusive to Tidal is dumb. The majority of paying streaming music consumers use other services. These consumers are not going to sign up with Tidal just to get Prince music. Renting music is the future whether Prince agreed with it or not. If the Estate/Family want a whole new generation to experience Prince's music they'll make it available on as many platforms as possible. Also we know Tidal is in financial trouble. So what happens if Apple, Google or Amazon snatch them up? Prince music never becomes available online again? That would be a disaster.

-- Those services will pay a penny a stream. The family will not get upfront money.

And what does every other artist do that's on these services? Heck even Led Zeppelin is available on all streaming services now. Garth Brooks was one of the last holdouts but he just signed a deal with Amazon. What's so special about Prince?
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Reply #42 posted 11/16/16 6:36am

1Sasha

This mess is representative of what has happened since April 21. Good luck to those who are trying to straighten out these matters.

Reply #43 posted 11/16/16 6:50am

laurarichardson

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:


-- Those services will pay a penny a stream. The family will not get upfront money.

And what does every other artist do that's on these services? Heck even Led Zeppelin is available on all streaming services now. Garth Brooks was one of the last holdouts but he just signed a deal with Amazon. What's so special about Prince?

Okay here is the problem. The record companies are getting a hugh upfront payment the artist are getting none of that payment. Prince was running a record company/publishing company so why would he not ask for the same up front payment. I don't know if Garth Brooks or Led Zepplin own the masters of their work but even if they don't I hope the held out for good deals. I think Prince was looking for a good deal for his music and trying to support a new business. He did not put the music in the LLC so would be non-profitable. In addition other artist have been completing about receiving pennies.
Reply #44 posted 11/16/16 7:30am

rogifan

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:


And what does every other artist do that's on these services? Heck even Led Zeppelin is available on all streaming services now. Garth Brooks was one of the last holdouts but he just signed a deal with Amazon. What's so special about Prince?

Okay here is the problem. The record companies are getting a hugh upfront payment the artist are getting none of that payment. Prince was running a record company/publishing company so why would he not ask for the same up front payment. I don't know if Garth Brooks or Led Zepplin own the masters of their work but even if they don't I hope the held out for good deals. I think Prince was looking for a good deal for his music and trying to support a new business. He did not put the music in the LLC so would be non-profitable. In addition other artist have been completing about receiving pennies.

I get that the situation is not great but it's what it is. I am not convinced Tidal is at all viable on its own. Then what? I think the Estate needs to make the best deals it can with all streaming services or least offer up all of his music for purchase across all platforms. Putting all his eggs in the Tidal basket is a mistake IMO.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #45 posted 11/16/16 7:53am

laurarichardson

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:


Okay here is the problem. The record companies are getting a hugh upfront payment the artist are getting none of that payment. Prince was running a record company/publishing company so why would he not ask for the same up front payment. I don't know if Garth Brooks or Led Zepplin own the masters of their work but even if they don't I hope the held out for good deals. I think Prince was looking for a good deal for his music and trying to support a new business. He did not put the music in the LLC so would be non-profitable. In addition other artist have been completing about receiving pennies.

I get that the situation is not great but it's what it is. I am not convinced Tidal is at all viable on its own. Then what? I think the Estate needs to make the best deals it can with all streaming services or least offer up all of his music for purchase across all platforms. Putting all his eggs in the Tidal basket is a mistake IMO.

-- Well the family will be in charge soon or later. I hope they can get upfront money from all of the platforms and I hope all of the artist can get better deals. The artist have to make a living or they cannot stay in the game.
Reply #46 posted 11/16/16 8:29am

Ingela

Well im never going to subscribe to Tidal, so I hope Universal quickly clears this up and we start seeing his work on Spotify, Amazon, Apple music as well as new releases. Im so glad it went to a professional entity like Universal. Would have loved if it went back to Warner's, but universal is a good home. They have the expertise and the capital to do his work the justice it deserves.
[Edited 11/16/16 8:30am]
Reply #47 posted 11/16/16 8:53am

laurarichardson

Ingela said:

Well im never going to subscribe to Tidal, so I hope Universal quickly clears this up and we start seeing his work on Spotify, Amazon, Apple music as well as new releases. Im so glad it went to a professional entity like Universal. Would have loved if it went back to Warner's, but universal is a good home. They have the expertise and the capital to do his work the justice it deserves.
[Edited 11/16/16 8:30am]

Wow forget what he wanted. You know it was Universal that caused the baby lawsuit. You know they stand to make money by trying to put the music in a butt cream commercials. Anyway it is not up to the fans it is up to his family in the end.
Reply #48 posted 11/16/16 9:02am

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:
Well im never going to subscribe to Tidal, so I hope Universal quickly clears this up and we start seeing his work on Spotify, Amazon, Apple music as well as new releases. Im so glad it went to a professional entity like Universal. Would have loved if it went back to Warner's, but universal is a good home. They have the expertise and the capital to do his work the justice it deserves. [Edited 11/16/16 8:30am]
Wow forget what he wanted. You know it was Universal that caused the baby lawsuit. You know they stand to make money by trying to put the music in a butt cream commercials. Anyway it is not up to the fans it is up to his family in the end.

Why are you still defending Tidal, even when it was revealed they still owe Prince money???

Reply #49 posted 11/16/16 9:22am

Ingela

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:

Well im never going to subscribe to Tidal, so I hope Universal quickly clears this up and we start seeing his work on Spotify, Amazon, Apple music as well as new releases. Im so glad it went to a professional entity like Universal. Would have loved if it went back to Warner's, but universal is a good home. They have the expertise and the capital to do his work the justice it deserves.
[Edited 11/16/16 8:30am]

Wow forget what he wanted. You know it was Universal that caused the baby lawsuit. You know they stand to make money by trying to put the music in a butt cream commercials. Anyway it is not up to the fans it is up to his family in the end.


Listen, it's a huge investment for any company. And one that stands to gain the most by keeping their legendary artists as premium brands at all costs. Thats their job. These are long term investments and assuring their value is job one.

Butt cream is the type of amateur move that instantly devalues a premium brand and is something I would all but expect if the family retained the catalog.

Let the experts do their thing and shove the amateurs to the side.
[Edited 11/16/16 9:23am]
Reply #50 posted 11/16/16 10:01am

laurarichardson

Ingela said:

laurarichardson said:


Wow forget what he wanted. You know it was Universal that caused the baby lawsuit. You know they stand to make money by trying to put the music in a butt cream commercials. Anyway it is not up to the fans it is up to his family in the end.


Listen, it's a huge investment for any company. And one that stands to gain the most by keeping their legendary artists as premium brands at all costs. Thats their job. These are long term investments and assuring their value is job one.

Butt cream is the type of amateur move that instantly devalues a premium brand and is something I would all but expect if the family retained the catalog.

Let the experts do their thing and shove the amateurs to the side.
[Edited 11/16/16 9:23am]

--- Well rumor has it that one of the things Prince did not like is that Universal wanted to put the music in commercials to make money which he did not want to do. I don't think his family is going to put the songs in butt cream commercials I think they know better then Universal. The family has already retained a top entertain law firm so I think they have their own plan.
Reply #51 posted 11/16/16 10:41am

Ingela

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:



Listen, it's a huge investment for any company. And one that stands to gain the most by keeping their legendary artists as premium brands at all costs. Thats their job. These are long term investments and assuring their value is job one.

Butt cream is the type of amateur move that instantly devalues a premium brand and is something I would all but expect if the family retained the catalog.

Let the experts do their thing and shove the amateurs to the side.
[Edited 11/16/16 9:23am]

--- Well rumor has it that one of the things Prince did not like is that Universal wanted to put the music in commercials to make money which he did not want to do. I don't think his family is going to put the songs in butt cream commercials I think they know better then Universal. The family has already retained a top entertain law firm so I think they have their own plan.


I do not think Universal would use his music as butt cream either, and I highly doubt Prince had much faith in what his family wanted either. But I would 100% trust Universal over a gold digging family without a clue all day long.
Reply #52 posted 11/16/16 12:42pm

laurarichardson

Ingela said:

laurarichardson said:


--- Well rumor has it that one of the things Prince did not like is that Universal wanted to put the music in commercials to make money which he did not want to do. I don't think his family is going to put the songs in butt cream commercials I think they know better then Universal. The family has already retained a top entertain law firm so I think they have their own plan.


I do not think Universal would use his music as butt cream either, and I highly doubt Prince had much faith in what his family wanted either. But I would 100% trust Universal over a gold digging family without a clue all day long.

/// Prince moved away from Universsl as soon as the deal expired. He then became he is on administer why would he do that if he faith in Universal. Unless you know his family you need to get out of here with the goldigging comments. He took care of them and some of them worked for him. If he hated them he could have written a will and left them nothing. Instead they stand to inherit millions. Plenty of ways to get away from your family if you want but they all in close proximity to him so maybe you don't know what you are talking about. Anyway I am sure Universal will get the boot when the contract ends and the family is in charge.
Reply #53 posted 11/16/16 12:47pm

clairew1975

Does anyone have a link to the reported federal lawsuit that the Prince estate has made?

I found the court claim from Roc Nation but can't see any links yo the lawsuit the estate has made. Thanks in advance.
Reply #54 posted 11/16/16 12:52pm

lateagain1

I have no comment on the lawsuit or whatever happens with all of the shanigans that have and will follow since Prince's passing. But if Tidal do retain the singular rights then I will not own another Prince record/song/album.

For me I like something concrete for my money. Old fashioned I may be but downloads and clouds mean I own nothing if someone wans to take that away from me. CD, better quality sound then most sites and a physical hand held object for me to hold, see, read and enjoy, god I miss vinyl too.

Will we see Purple Rain reissue finally if Universal have the rights, or reissues on Universal label not Warner Bros, umm dont feel right to me.

Reply #55 posted 11/16/16 1:04pm

paisleypark4

clairew1975 said:

Does anyone have a link to the reported federal lawsuit that the Prince estate has made? I found the court claim from Roc Nation but can't see any links yo the lawsuit the estate has made. Thanks in advance.

Image result for receipts whitney houston

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus
Reply #56 posted 11/16/16 1:08pm

Ingela

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:



I do not think Universal would use his music as butt cream either, and I highly doubt Prince had much faith in what his family wanted either. But I would 100% trust Universal over a gold digging family without a clue all day long.

/// Prince moved away from Universsl as soon as the deal expired. He then became he is on administer why would he do that if he faith in Universal. Unless you know his family you need to get out of here with the goldigging comments. He took care of them and some of them worked for him. If he hated them he could have written a will and left them nothing. Instead they stand to inherit millions. Plenty of ways to get away from your family if you want but they all in close proximity to him so maybe you don't know what you are talking about. Anyway I am sure Universal will get the boot when the contract ends and the family is in charge.


You know asuch as I and anyone else knows so I wouldn't crow. And likewise if he wanted his family to contol his work he would have made a will expressing exactly that. So again I have no idea what you're crowing about.
Reply #57 posted 11/16/16 1:17pm

clairew1975

paisleypark4 said:

 



clairew1975 said:


Does anyone have a link to the reported federal lawsuit that the Prince estate has made? I found the court claim from Roc Nation but can't see any links yo the lawsuit the estate has made. Thanks in advance.

Image result for receipts whitney houston



Yes I want to see proof of this otherwise it's just "click bait" from media trying to get views. I've found nothing so far....
Reply #58 posted 11/16/16 1:32pm

rogifan

What gold digging family are you talking about? confused
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #59 posted 11/16/16 1:36pm

Ingela

rogifan said:

What gold digging family are you talking about? confused



Oh that's right, no one had come out of the woodworks claiming to be related, absolutely no one. Glad you brought up such a valid point. Absolutely brilliant!
Reply #60 posted 11/16/16 1:37pm

paisleypark4

clairew1975 said:

paisleypark4 said:

Yes I want to see proof of this otherwise it's just "click bait" from media trying to get views. I've found nothing so far....

Thats what I'm seeing like...um..where is the proof...documents...papers...

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus
Reply #61 posted 11/16/16 1:41pm

paisleypark4

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus
Reply #62 posted 11/16/16 2:18pm

laurarichardson

Ingela said:

laurarichardson said:


/// Prince moved away from Universsl as soon as the deal expired. He then became he is on administer why would he do that if he faith in Universal. Unless you know his family you need to get out of here with the goldigging comments. He took care of them and some of them worked for him. If he hated them he could have written a will and left them nothing. Instead they stand to inherit millions. Plenty of ways to get away from your family if you want but they all in close proximity to him so maybe you don't know what you are talking about. Anyway I am sure Universal will get the boot when the contract ends and the family is in charge.


You know asuch as I and anyone else knows so I wouldn't crow. And likewise if he wanted his family to contol his work he would have made a will expressing exactly that. So again I have no idea what you're crowing about.

// You are the one who called the family goldiggers. Unless you know them you need to put a sock in it. They are heirs he could have made is so that did not happen he did not and you don't spend money on people you don't care about.
[Edited 11/16/16 18:16pm]
Reply #63 posted 11/16/16 3:36pm

djThunderfunk

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #64 posted 11/16/16 4:17pm

paisleypark4

djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.

That's where I am at with this. Not only that they have the proper NPG artwork and music in high resolution. Thats more than anyone else ever had including on Npgmc years ago. Those songs were given to us in 128kb bit rate. NPG had to have GIVEN the rights for streaming.

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus
Reply #65 posted 11/16/16 4:29pm

cloveringold85

My head is spinning!! This is all too crazy for me! I'm out!

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Image result for prince animated gifs

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #66 posted 11/16/16 4:45pm

Ingela

djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.



You are in for some disappointment. All that crap is dead and gone forever. Yes there will be some fetish collectors editions for the few remaining old people who haven't died yet. But it's just a waiting game till you're dead and no one will make those crazy shinny disks.

I know old people who are scared of smartphones. I could never imagine a world without Google and Tinder and streaming all the music I could ever whenever the fuck I wanted to.

But yeah, everyone is just waiting for you to die so they never have to make physical media again. Truth.
Reply #67 posted 11/16/16 4:52pm

djThunderfunk

Ingela said:

djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.

You are in for some disappointment. All that crap is dead and gone forever. Yes there will be some fetish collectors editions for the few remaining old people who haven't died yet. But it's just a waiting game till you're dead and no one will make those crazy shinny disks. I know old people who are scared of smartphones. I could never imagine a world without Google and Tinder and streaming all the music I could ever whenever the fuck I wanted to. But yeah, everyone is just waiting for you to die so they never have to make physical media again. Truth.


Not truth. Physical copies will be around a decade from now.

And, unless you've forgotten, don't talk to me, I won't talk to you.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #68 posted 11/16/16 4:59pm

Ingela

Yeah sure. I know old people who pay $112 dollars a month for their ground line telephones. Sure there will be be physical media but it's just a waiting game until the last grandma dies and stops paying her phone bill. There's still black Smith's fitting horses their shoes. Its just niche products you have to go into the back woods and fetish sites to find.
Good luck.
Reply #69 posted 11/16/16 5:23pm

cloveringold85

Ingela said:

Yeah sure. I know old people who pay $112 dollars a month for their ground line telephones. Sure there will be be physical media but it's just a waiting game until the last grandma dies and stops paying her phone bill. There's still black Smith's fitting horses their shoes. Its just niche products you have to go into the back woods and fetish sites to find. Good luck.

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Like Prince said: "Albums matter" and "Vinyl" is where it's at.

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The clock ticks the same for everyone.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #70 posted 11/16/16 5:28pm

OperatingThetan

djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.



Agreed. It's clear to me Prince delivered the material as well.

The Estate, it appears, is also stating something about the Tidal deal only lasting the duration of 90 days, but Prince was obviously happily working with Tidal way longer than that and was still delivering Tidal exclusive material right up until the week of his passing. On that last Monday we received Black Sweat live from Atlanta as the Purple Pick. It stands as the last officially released song in Prince's lifetime.
Reply #71 posted 11/16/16 5:29pm

cloveringold85

Ingela said:

Well im never going to subscribe to Tidal, so I hope Universal quickly clears this up and we start seeing his work on Spotify, Amazon, Apple music as well as new releases. Im so glad it went to a professional entity like Universal. Would have loved if it went back to Warner's, but universal is a good home. They have the expertise and the capital to do his work the justice it deserves. [Edited 11/16/16 8:30am]

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Why WB? Prince fought so hard to gain his catalog back from WB, so that would just defy what Prince wanted.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #72 posted 11/16/16 5:59pm

Ingela

cloveringold85 said:

 



Ingela said:


Yeah sure. I know old people who pay $112 dollars a month for their ground line telephones. Sure there will be be physical media but it's just a waiting game until the last grandma dies and stops paying her phone bill. There's still black Smith's fitting horses their shoes. Its just niche products you have to go into the back woods and fetish sites to find. Good luck.

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Like Prince said:  "Albums matter" and "Vinyl" is where it's at.  


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The clock ticks the same for everyone.  


 


 



I love my old vinyl records it's just more difficult to play them at the gym, or while jogging, or on a plane or on my car. And I can listen to vast amounts of new music on a whim without going to a record shop.
I get it. I like taking a ride in a horse and carriage, but it's easier to call for an Uber sometimes.
Reply #73 posted 11/16/16 6:15pm

Ingela

cloveringold85 said:

 



Ingela said:


Well im never going to subscribe to Tidal, so I hope Universal quickly clears this up and we start seeing his work on Spotify, Amazon, Apple music as well as new releases. Im so glad it went to a professional entity like Universal. Would have loved if it went back to Warner's, but universal is a good home. They have the expertise and the capital to do his work the justice it deserves. [Edited 11/16/16 8:30am]

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Why WB?  Prince fought so hard to gain his catalog back from WB, so that would just defy what Prince wanted.  


 


 



I thought they mended fences before he passed and they were working on a PR re-issue or something. Anyway, I love Prince, but he's dead now and WB never did anything to me, and did such a wonderful job with his records. Great album covers too.
Reply #74 posted 11/16/16 6:22pm

laurarichardson

Ingela said:

djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.

You are in for some disappointment. All that crap is dead and gone forever. Yes there will be some fetish collectors editions for the few remaining old people who haven't died yet. But it's just a waiting game till you're dead and no one will make those crazy shinny disks. I know old people who are scared of smartphones. I could never imagine a world without Google and Tinder and streaming all the music I could ever whenever the fuck I wanted to. But yeah, everyone is just waiting for you to die so they never have to make physical media again. Truth.

Well you are really the ass of the year. Congrats.

Reply #75 posted 11/16/16 6:28pm

laurarichardson

paisleypark4 said:

djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.

That's where I am at with this. Not only that they have the proper NPG artwork and music in high resolution. Thats more than anyone else ever had including on Npgmc years ago. Those songs were given to us in 128kb bit rate. NPG had to have GIVEN the rights for streaming.

You are correct. Some of the things the estate are stating sound insane. There is an agreement somewhere my guess is some is in writing and some of it may be oral. What I do notice is that the lawsuit has a court order for all of the music to come off and after a day it is all still up. I also wonder why the estate did not go to court back in June if they believed copyright infringement was occuring.

I also wish Tidal would advertise the digital store. You can buy all of the Prince music from their store without buying a subscription. I would sugget everyone do this before the music is taken off. It may take a while before the music appears on other sites and the estate will put of a greatest hits before they put up the rarities we like.

Reply #76 posted 11/16/16 6:30pm

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said: Wow forget what he wanted. You know it was Universal that caused the baby lawsuit. You know they stand to make money by trying to put the music in a butt cream commercials. Anyway it is not up to the fans it is up to his family in the end.

Why are you still defending Tidal, even when it was revealed they still owe Prince money???

You need to read the court docs. Do you really think Prince handed over files without getting money up front? He was alive and well while files were going up on the site. How could the deal have only been for one CD?

Reply #77 posted 11/16/16 6:59pm

Ingela

laurarichardson said:

 



Ingela said:


djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.



You are in for some disappointment. All that crap is dead and gone forever. Yes there will be some fetish collectors editions for the few remaining old people who haven't died yet. But it's just a waiting game till you're dead and no one will make those crazy shinny disks. I know old people who are scared of smartphones. I could never imagine a world without Google and Tinder and streaming all the music I could ever whenever the fuck I wanted to. But yeah, everyone is just waiting for you to die so they never have to make physical media again. Truth.

Well you are really the ass of the year. Congrats.


Oh please that's always you. Amd I didn't mean him or anyone personally, but old people in general. Imagine, in a few more years we wouldn't have to worry about Trump-like backwards old dude getting elected. Some things are generational and time cleanses away outdated beliefs and ideas. That's the beauty of nature.
Nothing personal.
Reply #78 posted 11/16/16 7:45pm

bilbolives

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ROC_NATION_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is also reporting on this story.

Reply #79 posted 11/16/16 7:51pm

laurarichardson

Ingela said:

laurarichardson said:

 



Ingela said:


djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.



You are in for some disappointment. All that crap is dead and gone forever. Yes there will be some fetish collectors editions for the few remaining old people who haven't died yet. But it's just a waiting game till you're dead and no one will make those crazy shinny disks. I know old people who are scared of smartphones. I could never imagine a world without Google and Tinder and streaming all the music I could ever whenever the fuck I wanted to. But yeah, everyone is just waiting for you to die so they never have to make physical media again. Truth.

Well you are really the ass of the year. Congrats.


Oh please that's always you. Amd I didn't mean him or anyone personally, but old people in general. Imagine, in a few more years we wouldn't have to worry about Trump-like backwards old dude getting elected. Some things are generational and time cleanses away outdated beliefs and ideas. That's the beauty of nature.
Nothing personal.

// Trump's dumb ass would not be in office if young assholes had gone out and voted. The young are the problem.
Reply #80 posted 11/16/16 8:02pm

Ingela

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:


Oh please that's always you. Amd I didn't mean him or anyone personally, but old people in general. Imagine, in a few more years we wouldn't have to worry about Trump-like backwards old dude getting elected. Some things are generational and time cleanses away outdated beliefs and ideas. That's the beauty of nature.
Nothing personal.

// Trump's dumb ass would not be in office if young assholes had gone out and voted. The young are the problem.


All the old senile people I know voted for the guy. Let's not blame anyone but the old senile people and white trash.
Reply #81 posted 11/16/16 8:29pm

petalthecat

Not trying to be harsh here but does it really matter what Prince would have wanted? He's gone. And we all know how notorious P was for changing his mind every 2 minutes. Who's to say there wouldn't have been a Universal or WB deal 6 months or 6 years down the line. We will never know sadly. Trust the family will strike the right balance between what P wanted, what the fans want and an income to sustain the Estate, though I sense there will have to be some compromise somewhere.
There's always a rainbow 🌈 , at the end of every rain ☔️
Reply #82 posted 11/16/16 9:41pm

mjscarousal

petalthecat said:

Not trying to be harsh here but does it really matter what Prince would have wanted? He's gone. And we all know how notorious P was for changing his mind every 2 minutes. Who's to say there wouldn't have been a Universal or WB deal 6 months or 6 years down the line. We will never know sadly. Trust the family will strike the right balance between what P wanted, what the fans want and an income to sustain the Estate, though I sense there will have to be some compromise somewhere.

It does matter.....HOWEVER, IMO if an organization has shown that they can not be trusted and is stealing money from the said person, which TIDAL has done to Prince the I dont think the organization has the right to continue with business as usual and I honestly don't believe Prince signed a contracted for a extended period with Tidal. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just for this year. TIDAL is a sinking ship and they just want Princes music for profit and money purposes, they don't care about preserving Princes legacy.

Reply #83 posted 11/17/16 2:49am

ldmendes

Too bad..I like Tidal, I've been able to get and listen to all kinds of cool Prince music that is hard to find. I'd hate to see the music come between them. See what happends

..Hello, who is it?
Yes, this is a prettyman, Princey!
Reply #84 posted 11/17/16 3:08am

Poorlovelycomputer

IMO I think Prince obviously liked something about Tidal and Jay Z both.Honestly I don't think Tidal would be where it's at without the Prince material. Like all of us who have a choice I don't support Tidal and never will I'm not saying Jay isn't a fan but I feel like he just sees it as a business investment(greed).As long as the family is taken care of and his future releases are done properly that's all that matters.And he legacy should he respected.
[Edited 11/17/16 3:10am]
"love's the only drug we do in here"-Prince
Reply #85 posted 11/17/16 3:34am

laurarichardson

petalthecat said:

Not trying to be harsh here but does it really matter what Prince would have wanted? He's gone. And we all know how notorious P was for changing his mind every 2 minutes. Who's to say there wouldn't have been a Universal or WB deal 6 months or 6 years down the line. We will never know sadly. Trust the family will strike the right balance between what P wanted, what the fans want and an income to sustain the Estate, though I sense there will have to be some compromise somewhere.
. - Copyright and probate laws say different. Tidal is saying they have written and oral agreements. The written will stand the oral will not. The court is going to look at the docs and decide. I don't believe Prince sent files to Tidal without getting money upfront. Since both parties agree that there is a ninety day exclusive why not just put new material on for ninety days and then move it to other platforms. Not sure why the Estate is so hell bent on cutting Tidal out and when nothing is stopping the music from going on both a Tidal and other platforms at the same time. You also have to be careful when accusing people of copyright infringement.
Reply #86 posted 11/17/16 4:41am

fortuneandserendipity

It's amazing how some people think some = all ?

Reply #87 posted 11/17/16 8:05am

PRNelson

I wonder if Londell is representing the Prince estate in this case? I'm guessing it may have some repercussions considering he owns source magazine and has affiliations with other artists. I asked him on twitter but received no response.
You'll never know a girl called Nikki and you'll never find Erotic City
Reply #88 posted 11/17/16 11:01am

cloveringold85

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Like Prince said: "Albums matter" and "Vinyl" is where it's at.

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The clock ticks the same for everyone.

I love my old vinyl records it's just more difficult to play them at the gym, or while jogging, or on a plane or on my car. And I can listen to vast amounts of new music on a whim without going to a record shop. I get it. I like taking a ride in a horse and carriage, but it's easier to call for an Uber sometimes.

.

Yes, true. The world is very "mobile" today. No one wants to carry around CDs--everything is just a click away, nowadays. Prince's issue with streaming music had to do with artists who were not getting compensated for their work, which I have to agree with him on that. I still have my vinyl -- hard to part with, but I did get rid of a lot of my CDs--they take up a lot of space.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #89 posted 11/17/16 11:03am

cloveringold85

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Why WB? Prince fought so hard to gain his catalog back from WB, so that would just defy what Prince wanted.

I thought they mended fences before he passed and they were working on a PR re-issue or something. Anyway, I love Prince, but he's dead now and WB never did anything to me, and did such a wonderful job with his records. Great album covers too.

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I'm not sure they mended fences. I just don't feel WB should have Prince's masters back; that's not what Prince would want, imo. Things are getting nasty now with Prince's estate, and I just want to see his music go into the right hands.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #90 posted 11/17/16 11:05am

cloveringold85

However, in papers filed in Minnesota, Prince's estate and his NPG record label said Tidal and its parent company Roc Nation "have not provided any documentation substantiating Roc Nation's claim that it has rights to exploit any Prince Copyrighted Works in addition to the works that comprise the HitNRun: Phase 1 album".

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If such a licence had existed, they continued, it should now be considered terminated.

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Roc Nation countered that Tidal and Prince had entered into an Equity Term Sheet (essentially an agreement to agree) in 2015, which would give the service worldwide streaming rights to his next two albums, as well as one "previously unreleased full-length studio album" over a five-year period.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38010964

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #91 posted 11/17/16 11:10am

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

petalthecat said:

Not trying to be harsh here but does it really matter what Prince would have wanted? He's gone. And we all know how notorious P was for changing his mind every 2 minutes. Who's to say there wouldn't have been a Universal or WB deal 6 months or 6 years down the line. We will never know sadly. Trust the family will strike the right balance between what P wanted, what the fans want and an income to sustain the Estate, though I sense there will have to be some compromise somewhere.

It does matter.....HOWEVER, IMO if an organization has shown that they can not be trusted and is stealing money from the said person, which TIDAL has done to Prince the I dont think the organization has the right to continue with business as usual and I honestly don't believe Prince signed a contracted for a extended period with Tidal. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just for this year. TIDAL is a sinking ship and they just want Princes music for profit and money purposes, they don't care about preserving Princes legacy.

.

Thank you, MJS: you are spot-on!!

.

I just want to add; of course it matters!! If Prince didn't care about owning his masters, he wouldn't have fought so hard to get them back. If he didn't care about unreleased music in his vault -- he would have sold it off many years ago!

.

MJS: I don't trust JayZ. Like you said, he does not care about preserving Prince's legacy; it's all about the money!!

.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #92 posted 11/17/16 11:14am

cloveringold85

Poorlovelycomputer said:

IMO I think Prince obviously liked something about Tidal and Jay Z both.Honestly I don't think Tidal would be where it's at without the Prince material. Like all of us who have a choice I don't support Tidal and never will I'm not saying Jay isn't a fan but I feel like he just sees it as a business investment(greed).As long as the family is taken care of and his future releases are done properly that's all that matters.And he legacy should he respected. [Edited 11/17/16 3:10am]

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I think Prince was tricked into this Tidal deal, imo.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #93 posted 11/17/16 1:03pm

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said: I thought they mended fences before he passed and they were working on a PR re-issue or something. Anyway, I love Prince, but he's dead now and WB never did anything to me, and did such a wonderful job with his records. Great album covers too.

.

I'm not sure they mended fences. I just don't feel WB should have Prince's masters back; that's not what Prince would want, imo. Things are getting nasty now with Prince's estate, and I just want to see his music go into the right hands.

WB does not have Prince's master tapes. !!!

Reply #94 posted 11/17/16 1:04pm

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

Poorlovelycomputer said:

IMO I think Prince obviously liked something about Tidal and Jay Z both.Honestly I don't think Tidal would be where it's at without the Prince material. Like all of us who have a choice I don't support Tidal and never will I'm not saying Jay isn't a fan but I feel like he just sees it as a business investment(greed).As long as the family is taken care of and his future releases are done properly that's all that matters.And he legacy should he respected. [Edited 11/17/16 3:10am]

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I think Prince was tricked into this Tidal deal, imo.

Who tricked him and why did he go and talk up Tidal in interviews? Why did he send files to Tidal?

Why did he do pick of the week? Who made him go into a deal where he would get an upfront fee and a higher roylaty rate?

Reply #95 posted 11/17/16 2:39pm

Lovejunky

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

I think Prince was tricked into this Tidal deal, imo.

Who tricked him and why did he go and talk up Tidal in interviews? Why did he send files to Tidal?

Why did he do pick of the week? Who made him go into a deal where he would get an upfront fee and a higher roylaty rate?

No one Tricked him....

His last Purple Pick was on April 18...an Unreleased version of Black Sweat....

I believe that Prince was invested in helping Tidal becasue HE believed it was a step in the right direction for Artists to earn MORE ....

I also dont believe for a second that JayZ made any unauthourized releases on Tidal...He had the files and they could have only come from one place...

However I AM wondering why he released so much after P left us....

Why was it not up before hand..

Could it be that he and P had some kind of Release schedule planned but with P gone Jay made the music available earlier than planned...?

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #96 posted 11/17/16 4:02pm

paisleypark4

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

Who tricked him and why did he go and talk up Tidal in interviews? Why did he send files to Tidal?

Why did he do pick of the week? Who made him go into a deal where he would get an upfront fee and a higher roylaty rate?

No one Tricked him....

His last Purple Pick was on April 18...an Unreleased version of Black Sweat....

I believe that Prince was invested in helping Tidal becasue HE believed it was a step in the right direction for Artists to earn MORE ....

I also dont believe for a second that JayZ made any unauthourized releases on Tidal...He had the files and they could have only come from one place...

However I AM wondering why he released so much after P left us....

Why was it not up before hand..

Could it be that he and P had some kind of Release schedule planned but with P gone Jay made the music available earlier than planned...?

Are there any specifics on what these albums actually WERE because as far as i go back they were always there so I am confused.

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Reply #97 posted 11/17/16 4:50pm

Ingela

cloveringold85 said:

 



Ingela said:


cloveringold85 said:

 


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Like Prince said:  "Albums matter" and "Vinyl" is where it's at.  


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The clock ticks the same for everyone.  


 


 



I love my old vinyl records it's just more difficult to play them at the gym, or while jogging, or on a plane or on my car. And I can listen to vast amounts of new music on a whim without going to a record shop. I get it. I like taking a ride in a horse and carriage, but it's easier to call for an Uber sometimes.

.


Yes, true.  The world is very "mobile" today.  No one wants to carry around CDs--everything is just a click away, nowadays.  Prince's issue with streaming music had to do with artists who were not getting compensated for their work, which I have to agree with him on that.  I still have my vinyl -- hard to part with, but I did get rid of a lot of my CDs--they take up a lot of space.


 



I can see why Primce chose Tidal. You want to support other artists and those who support your cause. Very cool and very noble. I would love for the industry to get together and make sure all artists make a decent cut off their streams. It's great for the hot artists of the moment, and they can cut special deals, but it's difficult for everyone else. Tidal cannot do it on their own because they will just be undercut by everyone else and be put out of business. It's a way bigger issue than just tidal. Spotify has been around forever and has built a strong following, Apple and Google with all their money and access can't reach as big an audience (yet) that's why Tidal has been looking for a buyer. Its takes a great deal of volume to make money in streaming and Tidal just doesn't have it and probably never will.

And good on you for getting rid of your CD's. Garbage. I've always hated those damn things. Good to see them slowly die.
[Edited 11/17/16 17:37pm]
Reply #98 posted 11/17/16 6:30pm

Lovejunky

paisleypark4 said:

Lovejunky said:

No one Tricked him....

His last Purple Pick was on April 18...an Unreleased version of Black Sweat....

I believe that Prince was invested in helping Tidal becasue HE believed it was a step in the right direction for Artists to earn MORE ....

I also dont believe for a second that JayZ made any unauthourized releases on Tidal...He had the files and they could have only come from one place...

However I AM wondering why he released so much after P left us....

Why was it not up before hand..

Could it be that he and P had some kind of Release schedule planned but with P gone Jay made the music available earlier than planned...?

Are there any specifics on what these albums actually WERE because as far as i go back they were always there so I am confused.

Paisley Park...Im sorry..I didnt exactly check what was there and what was not...Just going by something I read that JAY Z released more music after Prince Left his body.....I actually dont know if this is true or not...BUT what Im really getting at is that Prince and Jayz had something tight going on....and I do believe that some of it was verbal since P had worked with others on WORD alone....

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #99 posted 11/17/16 6:51pm

Ingela

If Tidal is not sold, they will go under. They were really pushing for Apple to buy them.
I highly doubt Tidal is around in a year if they can't get a deep pocket partner or suitor. Its a rough business and they got in too late.
Reply #100 posted 11/17/16 7:32pm

TwiliteKid

paisleypark4 said:

 



Lovejunky said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


Who tricked him and why did he go and talk up Tidal in interviews? Why did he send files to Tidal?


Why did he do pick of the week?  Who made him go into a deal where he would get an upfront fee and a higher roylaty rate? 



No one Tricked him....


 


His last Purple Pick was on April 18...an Unreleased version of Black Sweat....


 


I believe that Prince was invested in helping Tidal becasue HE believed it was a step in the right direction for Artists to earn MORE ....


 


I also dont believe for a second that JayZ made any unauthourized releases on Tidal...He had the files and they could have only come from one place...


 


However I AM wondering why he released so much after P left us....


 


Why was it not up before hand..


 


Could it be that he and P had some kind of Release schedule planned but with P gone Jay made the music available earlier than planned...?


 


 


 



Are there any specifics on what these albums actually WERE because as far as i go back they were always there so I am confused.



Google is your friend: http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7393711/tidal-15-prince-albums-birthday
Reply #101 posted 11/17/16 7:35pm

TwiliteKid

cloveringold85 said:

 



Ingela said:


cloveringold85 said:

 


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Why WB?  Prince fought so hard to gain his catalog back from WB, so that would just defy what Prince wanted.  


 


 



I thought they mended fences before he passed and they were working on a PR re-issue or something. Anyway, I love Prince, but he's dead now and WB never did anything to me, and did such a wonderful job with his records. Great album covers too.

.


I'm not sure they mended fences.  I just don't feel WB should have Prince's masters back; that's not what Prince would want, imo.  Things are getting nasty now with Prince's estate, and I just want to see his music go into the right hands.


 


 



Apparently it is - the deal signed in 2014 included a provision to license the masters to Warner.
Reply #102 posted 11/17/16 10:37pm

tomcooper2323

Prince didn't like contracts, so he probably did a handshake deal with Tidal and they agreed that Tidal could stream his music for a certain amount of time.

Reply #103 posted 11/18/16 12:18am

oliviacamron

paisleypark4 said:

 



Lovejunky said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


Who tricked him and why did he go and talk up Tidal in interviews? Why did he send files to Tidal?


Why did he do pick of the week?  Who made him go into a deal where he would get an upfront fee and a higher roylaty rate? 



No one Tricked him....


 


His last Purple Pick was on April 18...an Unreleased version of Black Sweat....


 


I believe that Prince was invested in helping Tidal becasue HE believed it was a step in the right direction for Artists to earn MORE ....


 


I also dont believe for a second that JayZ made any unauthourized releases on Tidal...He had the files and they could have only come from one place...


 


However I AM wondering why he released so much after P left us....


 


Why was it not up before hand..


 


Could it be that he and P had some kind of Release schedule planned but with P gone Jay made the music available earlier than planned...?


 


 


 



Are there any specifics on what these albums actually WERE because as far as i go back they were always there so I am confused.


They were not all there . In June Tidal put on a lot more of Prince's albums. Don't know which ones though. I think it was around 11 albums! And they added some live songs .
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #104 posted 11/18/16 12:22am

oliviacamron

cloveringold85 said:

 



mjscarousal said:


 



petalthecat said:


Not trying to be harsh here but does it really matter what Prince would have wanted? He's gone. And we all know how notorious P was for changing his mind every 2 minutes. Who's to say there wouldn't have been a Universal or WB deal 6 months or 6 years down the line. We will never know sadly. Trust the family will strike the right balance between what P wanted, what the fans want and an income to sustain the Estate, though I sense there will have to be some compromise somewhere.

 


It does matter.....HOWEVER,  IMO if an organization has shown that they can not be trusted and is stealing money from the said person, which TIDAL has done to Prince the I dont think the organization has  the right to continue with business as usual and I honestly don't believe Prince signed a contracted for a extended period with Tidal. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just for this year. TIDAL is a sinking ship and they just want Princes music for profit and money purposes, they don't care about preserving Princes legacy. 



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Thank you, MJS:  you are spot-on!!  


.


I just want to add; of course it matters!!  If Prince didn't care about owning his masters, he wouldn't have fought so hard to get them back.  If he didn't care about unreleased music in his vault -- he would have sold it off many years ago!  


.


MJS:  I don't trust JayZ.  Like you said, he does not care about preserving Prince's legacy; it's all about the money!!  


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yeahthat clover, and MJS. Pethecat, what ever mattered to Prince matters to me. confused
[Edited 11/18/16 0:24am]
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #105 posted 11/18/16 12:33am

oliviacamron

cloveringold85 said:

 



Poorlovelycomputer said:


IMO I think Prince obviously liked something about Tidal and Jay Z both.Honestly I don't think Tidal would be where it's at without the Prince material. Like all of us who have a choice I don't support Tidal and never will I'm not saying Jay isn't a fan but I feel like he just sees it as a business investment(greed).As long as the family is taken care of and his future releases are done properly that's all that matters.And he legacy should he respected. [Edited 11/17/16 3:10am]

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I think Prince was tricked into this Tidal deal, imo.  


 


I think something shady could have happened also.
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #106 posted 11/18/16 4:36am

laurarichardson

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I think Prince was tricked into this Tidal deal, imo.

I think something shady could have happened also.

Nobody tricked him the last purple pick was April 18 Prince was alive and well. Don't you find it strange that the lawsuit from the estate has a court order for the music to come off but as of today the music is still up on Tidal. Could it be that Tidal does have a written agreement because if they do the music is not going to come down.

Reply #107 posted 11/18/16 5:20am

Lovejunky

laurarichardson said:

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said: I think something shady could have happened also.

Nobody tricked him the last purple pick was April 18 Prince was alive and well. Don't you find it strange that the lawsuit from the estate has a court order for the music to come off but as of today the music is still up on Tidal. Could it be that Tidal does have a written agreement because if they do the music is not going to come down.

If Tidal does has a written agreement, Why did they not Produce it when requested by the Estate ?

I dont get it...

From the Court Documents:


https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3220747/Prince.pdf

24. Bremer Trust’s requests included a request for any basis for the exploitation of Prince works in addition to the works that comprise the Hit N Run: Phase 1 album.

Roc Nation failed to produce any evidence of written or Verbal agreements to exploit as they said, Princes music other than Hit and Run Phase 1...

YET On April 3 Sometimes it snows in april was available to Download...so Clearly there was some kind of agreement.....but NPG music knows nothing about it ????

Could it be that Jay z and Prince were beling Fluid and did things verbally becasue they trusted each other ????

PURPLE PICK OF THE WEEK: “SOMETIMES IT SNOWS IN APRIL”

Purple Pick of the Week features new tracks, exclusives, rarities and more — curated personally by Prince.

This week features “Sometimes It Snows in April,” the closing track on Prince’s acclaimed and beloved eighth album, Parade, which just turned 30 years old. Enjoy the song below while reading more about the classic 1986 record here via PopMatters.

I remember reading somewhere that Prince recorded all his meetings with JayZ....I cant find that article, but I remember Chuckling and thinking.."that,d be right "

I dID read that..I hope its true and not some smoke up your bum editorial

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #108 posted 11/18/16 8:32am

laurarichardson

Lovejunky said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



oliviacamron said:


cloveringold85 said: I think something shady could have happened also.

Nobody tricked him the last purple pick was April 18 Prince was alive and well. Don't you find it strange that the lawsuit from the estate has a court order for the music to come off but as of today the music is still up on Tidal. Could it be that Tidal does have a written agreement because if they do the music is not going to come down.



If Tidal does has a written agreement, Why did they not Produce it when requested by the Estate ?


I dont get it...


 


From the Court Documents:



https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3220747/Prince.pdf


24. Bremer Trust’s requests included a request for any basis for the exploitation of Prince works in addition to the works that comprise the Hit N Run: Phase 1 album.


 


 


Roc Nation failed to produce any evidence of written or Verbal agreements to exploit as they said, Princes music other than Hit and Run Phase 1...


 


YET On April 3 Sometimes it snows in april was available to Download...so Clearly there was some kind of agreement.....but NPG music knows nothing about it ????


 


Could it be that Jay z and Prince were beling Fluid and did things verbally becasue they trusted each other ????


 


 




PURPLE PICK OF THE WEEK: “SOMETIMES IT SNOWS IN APRIL”








Purple Pick of the Week features new tracks, exclusives, rarities and more — curated personally by Prince.


This week features “Sometimes It Snows in April,” the closing track on Prince’s acclaimed and beloved eighth album, Parade, which just turned 30 years old. Enjoy the song below while reading more about the classic 1986 record here via PopMatters.



 



 


 


I remember reading somewhere that Prince recorded all his meetings with JayZ....I cant find that article, but I remember Chuckling and thinking.."that,d be right "


 


I dID read that..I hope its true and not some smoke up your bum editorial 


 


 


 


-/Maybe they have produced the document because I do not know how else they could get around a court order.
Reply #109 posted 11/18/16 9:23am

Bohemian67

Universal Music old WArner really do inspire my inner serial killer.

Prince wanted his music on TIDAL!

THAT'S IT FOLKS....

"Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life -
Reply #110 posted 11/18/16 9:30am

petalthecat

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

 



mjscarousal said:


 



petalthecat said:


Not trying to be harsh here but does it really matter what Prince would have wanted? He's gone. And we all know how notorious P was for changing his mind every 2 minutes. Who's to say there wouldn't have been a Universal or WB deal 6 months or 6 years down the line. We will never know sadly. Trust the family will strike the right balance between what P wanted, what the fans want and an income to sustain the Estate, though I sense there will have to be some compromise somewhere.

 


It does matter.....HOWEVER,  IMO if an organization has shown that they can not be trusted and is stealing money from the said person, which TIDAL has done to Prince the I dont think the organization has  the right to continue with business as usual and I honestly don't believe Prince signed a contracted for a extended period with Tidal. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just for this year. TIDAL is a sinking ship and they just want Princes music for profit and money purposes, they don't care about preserving Princes legacy. 



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Thank you, MJS:  you are spot-on!!  


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I just want to add; of course it matters!!  If Prince didn't care about owning his masters, he wouldn't have fought so hard to get them back.  If he didn't care about unreleased music in his vault -- he would have sold it off many years ago!  


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MJS:  I don't trust JayZ.  Like you said, he does not care about preserving Prince's legacy; it's all about the money!!  


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yeahthat clover, and MJS. Pethecat, what ever mattered to Prince matters to me. confused
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Obviously I've been misunderstood here. I'm not personally saying I don't give a damn about what Prince wanted. All I'm saying is P had his morals and was happy doing things how he did. Now he has gone the Estate needs to earn cash. P's music wasn't turning a profit, if the bill's needed paying he went on tour. The family doesn't have that luxury, the music HAS to sell. Therefore, things have to change. No one is saying sell out, but deals will have to be made. Compromise is inevitable. I think sticking to the way P did business and what he wanted but ending up having to sell PP won't be an option.
There's always a rainbow 🌈 , at the end of every rain ☔️
Reply #111 posted 11/18/16 9:42am

Ingela

Bohemian67 said:

Universal Music old WArner really do inspire my inner serial killer.


Prince wanted his music on TIDAL!


THAT'S IT FOLKS....



Tidal is not long for this world. So that's that.

I give Tidal 6 months tops before it's out of business unless someone buys them out. Tidal is the walking dead.
Reply #112 posted 11/18/16 10:15am

laurarichardson

petalthecat said:

oliviacamron said:


yeahthat clover, and MJS. Pethecat, what ever mattered to Prince matters to me. confused
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Obviously I've been misunderstood here. I'm not personally saying I don't give a damn about what Prince wanted. All I'm saying is P had his morals and was happy doing things how he did. Now he has gone the Estate needs to earn cash. P's music wasn't turning a profit, if the bill's needed paying he went on tour. The family doesn't have that luxury, the music HAS to sell. Therefore, things have to change. No one is saying sell out, but deals will have to be made. Compromise is inevitable. I think sticking to the way P did business and what he wanted but ending up having to sell PP won't be an option.

-/The family wanted to run things independently they can. I do not think they will be happy with what Universal will do and no major company is interested in the vault material we are only going to keep on hearing the same old songs.
Reply #113 posted 11/18/16 10:23am

NeoSoul

Has Tidal begun streaming the instrumental album N.E.W.S. ?

NeoSoul.com
Reply #114 posted 11/18/16 11:02am

cloveringold85

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, true. The world is very "mobile" today. No one wants to carry around CDs--everything is just a click away, nowadays. Prince's issue with streaming music had to do with artists who were not getting compensated for their work, which I have to agree with him on that. I still have my vinyl -- hard to part with, but I did get rid of a lot of my CDs--they take up a lot of space.

I can see why Primce chose Tidal. You want to support other artists and those who support your cause. Very cool and very noble. I would love for the industry to get together and make sure all artists make a decent cut off their streams. It's great for the hot artists of the moment, and they can cut special deals, but it's difficult for everyone else. Tidal cannot do it on their own because they will just be undercut by everyone else and be put out of business. It's a way bigger issue than just tidal. Spotify has been around forever and has built a strong following, Apple and Google with all their money and access can't reach as big an audience (yet) that's why Tidal has been looking for a buyer. Its takes a great deal of volume to make money in streaming and Tidal just doesn't have it and probably never will. And good on you for getting rid of your CD's. Garbage. I've always hated those damn things. Good to see them slowly die. [Edited 11/17/16 17:37pm]

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I actually felt guilty for getting rid of some of my CDs. Some of them were very rare releases from various artists. I dunno -- I guess I'm just Old Skool, and I like having something tangible that I can hold in my hands, and read the album sleeve. I support Prince's efforts in fighting for artists rights to royalties from their music/their work. I mean, money/credit is due to those who worked for it. That's how I see it.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #115 posted 11/18/16 11:04am

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm not sure they mended fences. I just don't feel WB should have Prince's masters back; that's not what Prince would want, imo. Things are getting nasty now with Prince's estate, and I just want to see his music go into the right hands.

WB does not have Prince's master tapes. !!!

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Wait.....hold-up here!! Clover (me) said that WB shouldn't get Prince's masters back (although they are probably salivating right now over it), LOL

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #116 posted 11/18/16 11:08am

cloveringold85

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

Purple Pick of the Week features new tracks, exclusives, rarities and more — curated personally by Prince.

This week features “Sometimes It Snows in April,” the closing track on Prince’s acclaimed and beloved eighth album, Parade, which just turned 30 years old. Enjoy the song below while reading more about the classic 1986 record here via PopMatters.

I remember reading somewhere that Prince recorded all his meetings with JayZ....I cant find that article, but I remember Chuckling and thinking.."that,d be right "

I dID read that..I hope its true and not some smoke up your bum editorial

Yea, I'm sure Prince recorded that deal -- that sounds like something he would do. But, I sure hope he got everything in writing, but I guess if he had a verbal (on tape), then would that be legit??

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #117 posted 11/18/16 11:09am

cloveringold85

The Star Tribune reports NPG Music Publishing and NPG Records, Inc. filed a lawsuit that alleges Tidal only had permission to stream Prince's latest album exclusively for 90 days. HITNRUN Phase One debuted as a Tidal exclusive in September 2015, a couple of months after the artist pulled all of his music from other streaming services. In May of last year, Tidal was the exclusive home to Prince's Rally 4 Peace concert in Baltimore after the death of Freddie Gray.

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https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/17/prince-estate-tidal-lawsuit-streaming-rights/


"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #118 posted 11/18/16 11:38am

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

The Star Tribune reports NPG Music Publishing and NPG Records, Inc. filed a lawsuit that alleges Tidal only had permission to stream Prince's latest album exclusively for 90 daysHITNRUN Phase One debuted as a Tidal exclusive in September 2015, a couple of months after the artist pulled all of his music from other streaming services. In May of last year, Tidal was the exclusive home to Prince's Rally 4 Peace concert in Baltimore after the death of Freddie Gray.


 


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https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/17/prince-estate-tidal-lawsuit-streaming-rights/




/// Read the court docs and ask yourself why the files are sill up on Tidal.
Reply #119 posted 11/18/16 11:43am

paisleypark4

NeoSoul said:

Has Tidal begun streaming the instrumental album N.E.W.S. ?

Yup that been on there for a while as were the rest

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus
Reply #120 posted 11/18/16 11:48am

paisleypark4

oliviacamron said:

paisleypark4 said:

Are there any specifics on what these albums actually WERE because as far as i go back they were always there so I am confused.

They were not all there . In June Tidal put on a lot more of Prince's albums. Don't know which ones though. I think it was around 11 albums! And they added some live songs .

Aaah okay. Maybe I wasnt paying enough attention to them at the time. I know Slaughterhouse and Chocolate Invasion and couple other rare ones were there so thats why I probably just assumed the others were? I got it once Janet's Unbreakable came out and Prince rolled out his Pick of the Weeks. It only says they have had a unrestricted agreement. I hope jay Z has some texts and emails they may have sent back and forth. i rather keep it on Tidal like how Prince wanted it to be...IF indeed Tidal is paying NPG Records their dues.

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Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus
Reply #121 posted 11/18/16 11:52am

oliviacamron

Bohemian67 said:

Universal Music old WArner really do inspire my inner serial killer.


Prince wanted his music on TIDAL!


THAT'S IT FOLKS....


I've been waiting for you to emerge. Shall I give you a list of names lol smile johnwoo demon demon
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #122 posted 11/18/16 12:13pm

cloveringold85

oliviacamron said:

Bohemian67 said:

Universal Music old WArner really do inspire my inner serial killer.

Prince wanted his music on TIDAL!

THAT'S IT FOLKS....

I've been waiting for you to emerge. Shall I give you a list of names lol smile johnwoo demon demon

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I'm confused. You do know that TIDAL is owned by JayZ/WB/Universal, right?

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JayZ is affiliated with Roc Nation/Universal records.

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JayZ is in cahoots with Warner. Any surprise there? eek

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https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=jay+z+music+label&oq=jay+z+music+label&gs_l=serp.3..0.3456.6222.0.6543.12.9.0.3.3.0.118.840.7j2.9.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.12.848...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i20k1j0i22i30k1.h5aGkriP1dw

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #123 posted 11/18/16 12:27pm

Ingela

cloveringold85 said:

 



oliviacamron said:


Bohemian67 said:

Universal Music old WArner really do inspire my inner serial killer.


Prince wanted his music on TIDAL!


THAT'S IT FOLKS....



I've been waiting for you to emerge. Shall I give you a list of names lol smile johnwoo demon demon

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I'm confused.  You do know that TIDAL is owned by JayZ/WB/Universal, right? 


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JayZ is affiliated with Roc Nation/Universal records.


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JayZ is in cahoots with Warner.  Any surprise there? eek


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https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=jay+z+music+label&oq=jay+z+music+label&gs_l=serp.3..0.3456.6222.0.6543.12.9.0.3.3.0.118.840.7j2.9.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.12.848...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i20k1j0i22i30k1.h5aGkriP1dw


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Nonsense. If Tidal had WB backing them, they wouldn't be on the brink of bankruptcy. They wish.

Yhe deal is this; the family retains ownership of the music and Universal manages it for x amount of years. That's why the family and Universal is suing Tidal. Tidal generates zip, Nada, nothing, so they want universal to do their thing and get the music on Spotify, Amazon, Apple Music etc. In other words they want to generate cash flow. Something that Tidal doesn't.
Reply #124 posted 11/18/16 12:35pm

cloveringold85

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm confused. You do know that TIDAL is owned by JayZ/WB/Universal, right?

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JayZ is affiliated with Roc Nation/Universal records.

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JayZ is in cahoots with Warner. Any surprise there? eek

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https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=jay+z+music+label&oq=jay+z+music+label&gs_l=serp.3..0.3456.6222.0.6543.12.9.0.3.3.0.118.840.7j2.9.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.12.848...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i20k1j0i22i30k1.h5aGkriP1dw

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Nonsense. If Tidal had WB backing them, they wouldn't be on the brink of bankruptcy. They wish. Yhe deal is this; the family retains ownership of the music and Universal manages it for x amount of years. That's why the family and Universal is suing Tidal. Tidal generates zip, Nada, nothing, so they want universal to do their thing and get the music on Spotify, Amazon, Apple Music etc. In other words they want to generate cash flow. Something that Tidal doesn't.

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I thought Universal was a part of WB? I guess I got it wrong then. There are rumors that Apple wants to buy Tidal now, which I hope they don't do.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #125 posted 11/18/16 1:24pm

Ingela

cloveringold85 said:

 



Ingela said:


cloveringold85 said:

 


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I'm confused.  You do know that TIDAL is owned by JayZ/WB/Universal, right? 


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JayZ is affiliated with Roc Nation/Universal records.


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JayZ is in cahoots with Warner.  Any surprise there? eek


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https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=jay+z+music+label&oq=jay+z+music+label&gs_l=serp.3..0.3456.6222.0.6543.12.9.0.3.3.0.118.840.7j2.9.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.12.848...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i20k1j0i22i30k1.h5aGkriP1dw


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Nonsense. If Tidal had WB backing them, they wouldn't be on the brink of bankruptcy. They wish. Yhe deal is this; the family retains ownership of the music and Universal manages it for x amount of years. That's why the family and Universal is suing Tidal. Tidal generates zip, Nada, nothing, so they want universal to do their thing and get the music on Spotify, Amazon, Apple Music etc. In other words they want to generate cash flow. Something that Tidal doesn't.

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I thought Universal was a part of WB?  I guess I got it wrong then.  There are rumors that Apple wants to buy Tidal now, which I hope they don't do.  


 


 



Kanye West urged a meeting with Apple demanding Apple buy Tidal.

Apple said they have no interest in Tidal.

The streaming market is saturated and even deep pockets tech companies are struggling against Spotify. It takes a lot of money and it's a long game. Tidal has been losing millions and who knows how long they can keep bleeding money and not die. They urgently need a cash infusion and everyone with money is weary in going against the big boys who themselves are losing money.
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Reply #126 posted 11/18/16 4:13pm

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

oliviacamron said:

Bohemian67 said: I've been waiting for you to emerge. Shall I give you a list of names lol smile johnwoo demon demon

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I'm confused. You do know that TIDAL is owned by JayZ/WB/Universal, right?

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JayZ is affiliated with Roc Nation/Universal records.

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JayZ is in cahoots with Warner. Any surprise there? eek

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https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=jay+z+music+label&oq=jay+z+music+label&gs_l=serp.3..0.3456.6222.0.6543.12.9.0.3.3.0.118.840.7j2.9.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.12.848...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i20k1j0i22i30k1.h5aGkriP1dw

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Tidal is not owned by WB. RonNation is a sub lable of Universal.

Reply #127 posted 11/18/16 4:17pm

laurarichardson

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm confused. You do know that TIDAL is owned by JayZ/WB/Universal, right?

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JayZ is affiliated with Roc Nation/Universal records.

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JayZ is in cahoots with Warner. Any surprise there? eek

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https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=jay+z+music+label&oq=jay+z+music+label&gs_l=serp.3..0.3456.6222.0.6543.12.9.0.3.3.0.118.840.7j2.9.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.12.848...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i20k1j0i22i30k1.h5aGkriP1dw

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Nonsense. If Tidal had WB backing them, they wouldn't be on the brink of bankruptcy. They wish. Yhe deal is this; the family retains ownership of the music and Universal manages it for x amount of years. That's why the family and Universal is suing Tidal. Tidal generates zip, Nada, nothing, so they want universal to do their thing and get the music on Spotify, Amazon, Apple Music etc. In other words they want to generate cash flow. Something that Tidal doesn't.

The family is only going to get the same pennies everyone else is getting on the other platforms.

More people will have access to the music but this will only work out as a big cash infusion for the estate if some upfront fees are paid. Artist are not making a lot of money off of streaming but if the family can get the same upfront fee the record lables are getting they might be in a good spot. I am under the impression that Prince was not going to get those fees from the other platforms I doubt they have changes their minds in the last year.

Reply #128 posted 11/18/16 6:01pm

zenarose

cloveringold85 said:

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said: Nonsense. If Tidal had WB backing them, they wouldn't be on the brink of bankruptcy. They wish. Yhe deal is this; the family retains ownership of the music and Universal manages it for x amount of years. That's why the family and Universal is suing Tidal. Tidal generates zip, Nada, nothing, so they want universal to do their thing and get the music on Spotify, Amazon, Apple Music etc. In other words they want to generate cash flow. Something that Tidal doesn't.

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I thought Universal was a part of WB? I guess I got it wrong then. There are rumors that Apple wants to buy Tidal now, which I hope they don't do.

Hey CLOVERINGOLD85: Is this the link you were thinking of??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roc_Nation biggrin

Reply #129 posted 11/18/16 6:17pm

Ingela

Streaming is a funny place right now. A lot of artists just go with the flow because they can't do much about it and are glad they can get whatever they can.

Then on the other hand, you get a hot new artist like Taylor Swift and Adele, or a major artist like the Beatles and they go the high road complaining that the system is not fair and they will never work with the services.

Then all of a sudden, ...they make some behind the scenes deals and cut some happy checks and all of a sudden they get off their high horse and smile as long as "their" checks don't bounce and fuck everyone else.

Sad but true.

Its a system wide problem that cannot be solved with one company alone, everyone has to agree on what's fair and all must comply. Its not going to get better any other way.
Then there is the problem of getting customers to go along with paying more for the services.
Reply #130 posted 11/18/16 8:48pm

mjscarousal

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

It does matter.....HOWEVER, IMO if an organization has shown that they can not be trusted and is stealing money from the said person, which TIDAL has done to Prince the I dont think the organization has the right to continue with business as usual and I honestly don't believe Prince signed a contracted for a extended period with Tidal. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just for this year. TIDAL is a sinking ship and they just want Princes music for profit and money purposes, they don't care about preserving Princes legacy.

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Thank you, MJS: you are spot-on!!

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I just want to add; of course it matters!! If Prince didn't care about owning his masters, he wouldn't have fought so hard to get them back. If he didn't care about unreleased music in his vault -- he would have sold it off many years ago!

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MJS: I don't trust JayZ. Like you said, he does not care about preserving Prince's legacy; it's all about the money!!

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You seem to be the only Prince fan that cares about his legacy!!! Keep riding for Prince! cool

Reply #131 posted 11/19/16 6:04am

clairew1975

paisleypark4 said:

 



oliviacamron said:


paisleypark4 said:

 


Are there any specifics on what these albums actually WERE because as far as i go back they were always there so I am confused.



They were not all there . In June Tidal put on a lot more of Prince's albums. Don't know which ones though. I think it was around 11 albums! And they added some live songs .

 


Aaah okay.  Maybe I wasnt paying enough attention to them at the time.  I know Slaughterhouse and Chocolate Invasion and couple other rare ones were there so thats why I probably just assumed the others were?  I got it once Janet's Unbreakable came out and Prince rolled out his Pick of the Weeks.  It only says they have had a unrestricted agreement.  I hope jay Z has some texts and emails they may have sent back and forth.  i rather keep it on Tidal like how Prince wanted it to be...IF indeed Tidal is paying NPG Records their dues.

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This list is by no means complete but I subscribed to Tidal early Jan 2016 and uploaded every album Tidal put up of Prince's music.

On June 7 new stuff appeared and the ones that stuck out for me were:

1. The Black Album
2. The Gold Experience
3. The Rainbow Children
4. One Nite Alone - The Aftershow - It Ain't Over
5. Rave in2 The Joy Fantastic
6. Batman
7. LotUSflow3r
8. Exodus - TNPG
9. The New Power Soul - TNPG
10. XPectation
11. N.E.W.S
12. 20Ten
13. Crystal Ball
14. 1999: The New Master - Prince & The Revolution
15. Soul Elite: Best Of 94 East ft Prince (this was uploaded this week)
16. 94 East ft Prince (uploaded this week)

I know for def the first three in my list were NOT on Tidal before June 7. In particular #1 because I was surprised to see it there.

The rest I have based off my Tidal list as I only have Prince and a few other artists and I remember uploading lots of new stuff on June 7.

Edit: Billboard also listed the albums released on June 7 - I wasn't far off with my list smile

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7393711/tidal-15-prince-albums-birthday
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Reply #132 posted 11/19/16 12:08pm

cloveringold85

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I thought Universal was a part of WB? I guess I got it wrong then. There are rumors that Apple wants to buy Tidal now, which I hope they don't do.

Kanye West urged a meeting with Apple demanding Apple buy Tidal. Apple said they have no interest in Tidal. The streaming market is saturated and even deep pockets tech companies are struggling against Spotify. It takes a lot of money and it's a long game. Tidal has been losing millions and who knows how long they can keep bleeding money and not die. They urgently need a cash infusion and everyone with money is weary in going against the big boys who themselves are losing money. [Edited 11/18/16 13:27pm]

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Yes, I read about that story about Kanye -- he was so pissed at JayZ. I also read that Tidal owes a lot of money to people, and now they are being sued by Prince's estate....so, maybe its ADIOS for Tidal!! wave

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #133 posted 11/19/16 12:10pm

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm confused. You do know that TIDAL is owned by JayZ/WB/Universal, right?

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JayZ is affiliated with Roc Nation/Universal records.

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JayZ is in cahoots with Warner. Any surprise there? eek

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https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=jay+z+music+label&oq=jay+z+music+label&gs_l=serp.3..0.3456.6222.0.6543.12.9.0.3.3.0.118.840.7j2.9.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.12.848...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i20k1j0i22i30k1.h5aGkriP1dw

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Tidal is not owned by WB. RonNation is a sub lable of Universal.

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Okay, but I somehow thought that Universal had some connection with WB. Thanks for the clarification.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #134 posted 11/19/16 12:12pm

cloveringold85

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I thought Universal was a part of WB? I guess I got it wrong then. There are rumors that Apple wants to buy Tidal now, which I hope they don't do.

Hey CLOVERINGOLD85: Is this the link you were thinking of??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roc_Nation biggrin

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Yes, I saw that. I see that RocNation was orginally funded by Sony, then Sony dropped them and he went with Universal.

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I get it now, Thanks!! biggrin

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #135 posted 11/19/16 12:16pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Thank you, MJS: you are spot-on!!

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I just want to add; of course it matters!! If Prince didn't care about owning his masters, he wouldn't have fought so hard to get them back. If he didn't care about unreleased music in his vault -- he would have sold it off many years ago!

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MJS: I don't trust JayZ. Like you said, he does not care about preserving Prince's legacy; it's all about the money!!

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You seem to be the only Prince fan that cares about his legacy!!! Keep riding for Prince! cool

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MJS: Thanks for saying that; I just don't want to see Prince's estate getting screwed-over. I'm pretty sure the entire Prince Army cares about protecting his legacy!! headbang

prince eye

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #136 posted 11/20/16 2:05am

cryingdoves

laurarichardson said:

bilbolives said:

http://www.startribune.com/prince-estate-files-lawsuit-over-streaming-rights-to-late-star-s-music/401389105/

The Minneapolis Star Tribune is also reporting on this story.

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This article is from Forbes and dispels some of the foolishness from TMZ. Also McMillian is saying that there was never a 40 million dollar deal.

http://www.forbes.com/sit...03bc304240

http://www.rollingstone.c...ng-w450721

I kind of wonder why the estate does not just go get a court order to have all of the music pulled off of Tidal. Also find it interesting that NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing are still in tact.

The federal suit was filed by NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing Tuesday, though the estate and Roc Nation have been at odds over Prince's catalog for months. In 2015, Prince pulled his music from all streaming services, but struck a deal with Tidal to premiere his LP Ht N Run: Phase One. In June, Tidal added 15 lesser-known Prince albums, though the Prince estate claims they did so without authorization.

A representative for Tidal declined to comment. A representative from NPG was not immediately available to comment.

On Friday, Roc Nation filed a petition asking the court to enforce what they claimed was an agreed-upon arrangement with Prince concerning his digital catalog. The move came after Prince's estate inked a deal with Univers...this month to become the worldwide publishing administrator for Prince's music, threatening Tidal's supposed exclusive rights as it would allow the musician's catalog to be added to additional streaming services.

In its new suit, NPG acknowledged the initial Roc Nation deal, but said it was only supposed to last for 90 days. It went on to claim that when Tidal added those 15 Prince albums in June, Roc Nation started "exploiting many copyrighted Prince works in addition to the works that comprise the Hit N Run: Phase 1 album."

The suit goes on to claim that Roc Nation has yet to produce documents to support their asserted claim that they have "both oral and written" agreements to exclusively stream Prince's entire catalog on Tidal.

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****Prince fought hard to get his masters back and won as we all know. Seems he wanted to protect not only his masters, yet any unreleased music. He could have sold this off many times yet didn't.

Do you all think that original meeting took place in New York? The one that started all of this , where allegedly Tyka attended?

JayZ could care less about Prince and storing his legacy! It's all the dollar sign $$$ because Tidal is JayZ !!

"do U dream straight up or do U dream in W's?"
Reply #137 posted 11/20/16 9:05am

laurarichardson

cryingdoves said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



bilbolives said:


http://www.startribune.com/prince-estate-files-lawsuit-over-streaming-rights-to-late-star-s-music/401389105/


 


The Minneapolis Star Tribune is also reporting on this story.



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This article is from Forbes and dispels some of the foolishness from TMZ. Also McMillian is saying that there was never a 40 million dollar deal.     


 


http://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2016/11/15/jay-z-and-prince-the-truth-behind-new-filings-and-a-phantom-40m-offer/#6203bc304240


 


 


 


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-estate-sues-roc-nation-over-alleged-illegal-streaming-w450721


 


I kind of wonder why the estate does not just go get a court order to have all of the music pulled off of Tidal. Also find it interesting that NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing are still in tact.


 


The federal suit was filed by NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing Tuesday, though the estate and Roc Nation have been at odds over Prince's catalog for months. In 2015, Prince pulled his music from all streaming services, but struck a deal with Tidal to premiere his LP Ht N Run: Phase One. In June, Tidal added 15 lesser-known Prince albums, though the Prince estate claims they did so without authorization.


A representative for Tidal declined to comment. A representative from NPG was not immediately available to comment.


On Friday, Roc Nation filed a petition asking the court to enforce what they claimed was an agreed-upon arrangement with Prince concerning his digital catalog. The move came after Prince's estate inked a deal with Universal Music earlier this month to become the worldwide publishing administrator for Prince's music, threatening Tidal's supposed exclusive rights as it would allow the musician's catalog to be added to additional streaming services.


In its new suit, NPG acknowledged the initial Roc Nation deal, but said it was only supposed to last for 90 days. It went on to claim that when Tidal added those 15 Prince albums in June, Roc Nation started "exploiting many copyrighted Prince works in addition to the works that comprise the Hit N Run: Phase 1 album."


 


The suit goes on to claim that Roc Nation has yet to produce documents to support their asserted claim that they have "both oral and written" agreements to exclusively stream Prince's entire catalog on Tidal.


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****Prince fought hard to get his masters back and won as we all know. Seems he wanted to protect not only his masters, yet any unreleased music. He could have sold this off many times yet didn't.


Do you all think that original meeting took place in New York? The one that started all of this , where allegedly Tyka attended?


JayZ could care less about Prince and storing his legacy! It's all the dollar sign $$$ because Tidal is JayZ !! 



 


--- Does anyone else believe that Prince actually gave Jay-Z files with no upfront money. The lawsuit has a court order to remove the music from Tidal and as of today the files are still up. Can anyone explain this?
Reply #138 posted 11/20/16 11:37am

cloveringold85

cryingdoves said:

laurarichardson said:

---------

This article is from Forbes and dispels some of the foolishness from TMZ. Also McMillian is saying that there was never a 40 million dollar deal.

http://www.forbes.com/sit...03bc304240

http://www.rollingstone.c...ng-w450721

I kind of wonder why the estate does not just go get a court order to have all of the music pulled off of Tidal. Also find it interesting that NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing are still in tact.

The federal suit was filed by NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing Tuesday, though the estate and Roc Nation have been at odds over Prince's catalog for months. In 2015, Prince pulled his music from all streaming services, but struck a deal with Tidal to premiere his LP Ht N Run: Phase One. In June, Tidal added 15 lesser-known Prince albums, though the Prince estate claims they did so without authorization.

A representative for Tidal declined to comment. A representative from NPG was not immediately available to comment.

On Friday, Roc Nation filed a petition asking the court to enforce what they claimed was an agreed-upon arrangement with Prince concerning his digital catalog. The move came after Prince's estate inked a deal with Univers...this month to become the worldwide publishing administrator for Prince's music, threatening Tidal's supposed exclusive rights as it would allow the musician's catalog to be added to additional streaming services.

In its new suit, NPG acknowledged the initial Roc Nation deal, but said it was only supposed to last for 90 days. It went on to claim that when Tidal added those 15 Prince albums in June, Roc Nation started "exploiting many copyrighted Prince works in addition to the works that comprise the Hit N Run: Phase 1 album."

The suit goes on to claim that Roc Nation has yet to produce documents to support their asserted claim that they have "both oral and written" agreements to exclusively stream Prince's entire catalog on Tidal.

--------

****Prince fought hard to get his masters back and won as we all know. Seems he wanted to protect not only his masters, yet any unreleased music. He could have sold this off many times yet didn't.

Do you all think that original meeting took place in New York? The one that started all of this , where allegedly Tyka attended?

JayZ could care less about Prince and storing his legacy! It's all the dollar sign $$$ because Tidal is JayZ !!

.

yeahthat

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #139 posted 11/20/16 11:43am

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

cryingdoves said:

--- Does anyone else believe that Prince actually gave Jay-Z files with no upfront money. The lawsuit has a court order to remove the music from Tidal and as of today the files are still up. Can anyone explain this?

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WTF are they waiting for? If JayZ/RocNation/Tidal had no rights to stream Prince's music--and if they don't have documents to support their claims, then why hasn't the material been removed from Tidal, like Laura states.

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This is total BS!! mad

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JayZ EXPLOITED and USED PRINCE!! I'm really disgusted!!

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I have a few choice words for JayZ, but I'm trying hard to contain myself!! pissed

.

It's bad enough what happened to Prince, and this is still an ongoing homicide investigation, and to have JayZ doing what he is doing......God help us!!!!

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[Edited 11/20/16 11:44am]

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #140 posted 11/20/16 12:13pm

oliviacamron

cloveringold85 said:

 



laurarichardson said:


cryingdoves said:

 


 



--- Does anyone else believe that Prince actually gave Jay-Z files with no upfront money. The lawsuit has a court order to remove the music from Tidal and as of today the files are still up. Can anyone explain this?

.


WTF are they waiting for?  If JayZ/RocNation/Tidal had no rights to stream Prince's music--and if they don't have documents to support their claims, then why hasn't the material been removed from Tidal, like Laura states.


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This is total BS!!   mad


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JayZ EXPLOITED and USED PRINCE!!  I'm really disgusted!! 


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I have a few choice words for JayZ, but I'm trying hard to contain myself!!  pissed


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It's bad enough what happened to Prince, and this is still an ongoing homicide investigation, and to have JayZ doing what he is doing.....God help us!!!!


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[Edited 11/20/16 11:44am]


I should be slapped. About 15 or 20 years my mom asked me if I want all those Prince albums of mine at her house and I said no. I don't have Prince's albums! I only have stuff I bought on Google play, a couple of cassettes, and TIDAL !! What am I gonna do? I hated making a deal with the devil ( Tidal) but I like the music digital so I can quickly skip from album to album at the gym.
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #141 posted 11/20/16 12:41pm

cloveringold85

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

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WTF are they waiting for? If JayZ/RocNation/Tidal had no rights to stream Prince's music--and if they don't have documents to support their claims, then why hasn't the material been removed from Tidal, like Laura states.

.

This is total BS!! mad

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JayZ EXPLOITED and USED PRINCE!! I'm really disgusted!!

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I have a few choice words for JayZ, but I'm trying hard to contain myself!! pissed

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It's bad enough what happened to Prince, and this is still an ongoing homicide investigation, and to have JayZ doing what he is doing......God help us!!!!

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[Edited 11/20/16 11:44am]

I should be slapped. About 15 or 20 years my mom asked me if I want all those Prince albums of mine at her house and I said no. I don't have Prince's albums! I only have stuff I bought on Google play, a couple of cassettes, and TIDAL !! What am I gonna do? I hated making a deal with the devil ( Tidal) but I like the music digital so I can quickly skip from album to album at the gym.

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Don't feel bad that you signed-up for Tidal. It's not your fault that all of this is f-up now. None of us knew all of this was going to happen.

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I feel bad that I got rid of my Prince CDs and other rare albums (I still have my vinyl), but I guess I have to get on-board with the digital age. rolleyes

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I'm Old Skool....like Prince was, LOL smile

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #142 posted 11/20/16 2:42pm

cloveringold85

Came across this article from December, 2015.

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What Prince had to say about Tidal deal:

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http://www.stereogum.com/1850356/prince-explains-why-tidal-will-win-the-streaming-wars/news/

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #143 posted 11/20/16 3:13pm

djThunderfunk

I don't get all this digital/physical as an either/or thing.

It is okay to make your own local rips of your CDs (that are not dependent on limited licensing agreements), then, keep the CD in storage as a backup AND a collectible.

As for the idea that nobody could have predicted Tidal might be a temporary source for Prince's music... falloff lol lol

MANY of us predicted it. It was one reason on a long list some of us have given making the argument for physical copies. Even if all his music ends up on Spotify or iTunes or whatever, ALL of those possible deals will also be subject to the reality of licensing agreements and any future changes in the companies, how they work, and how people consume music.

Physical copies require proper handling, proper storage and working equipment to play them or rip them on... that is all.

Back to my original point, even if you prefer having your music available as a digital library, purchasing physical copies is still the most economical route and the best method to assure maintaining the collection as times/technology/availability/licensing agreements change.

Just sayin'...

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #144 posted 11/20/16 3:16pm

Ingela

djThunderfunk said:

I don't get all this digital/physical as an either/or thing.

It is okay to make your own local rips of your CDs (that are not dependent on limited licensing agreements), then, keep the CD in storage as a backup AND a collectible.

As for the idea that nobody could have predicted Tidal might be a temporary source for Prince's music... falloff lol lol

MANY of us predicted it. It was one reason on a long list some of us have given making the argument for physical copies. Even if all his music ends up on Spotify or iTunes or whatever, ALL of those possible deals will also be subject to the reality of licensing agreements and any future changes in the companies, how they work, and how people consume music.

Physical copies require proper handling, proper storage and working equipment to play them or rip them on... that is all.

Back to my original point, even if you prefer having your music available as a digital library, purchasing physical copies is still the most economical route and the best method to assure maintaining the collection as times/technology/availability/licensing agreements change.

Just sayin'...



Except no. If you've lived any amount of time you know that gadgets become obsolete. Quickly obsolete.
Reply #145 posted 11/20/16 3:21pm

djThunderfunk

Ingela said:

djThunderfunk said:

I don't get all this digital/physical as an either/or thing.

It is okay to make your own local rips of your CDs (that are not dependent on limited licensing agreements), then, keep the CD in storage as a backup AND a collectible.

As for the idea that nobody could have predicted Tidal might be a temporary source for Prince's music... falloff lol lol

MANY of us predicted it. It was one reason on a long list some of us have given making the argument for physical copies. Even if all his music ends up on Spotify or iTunes or whatever, ALL of those possible deals will also be subject to the reality of licensing agreements and any future changes in the companies, how they work, and how people consume music.

Physical copies require proper handling, proper storage and working equipment to play them or rip them on... that is all.

Back to my original point, even if you prefer having your music available as a digital library, purchasing physical copies is still the most economical route and the best method to assure maintaining the collection as times/technology/availability/licensing agreements change.

Just sayin'...

Except no. If you've lived any amount of time you know that gadgets become obsolete. Quickly obsolete.


I have. Long enough to know that there is always a market for outdated "gadgets". There are billions of CD players, recorders, CD-Roms, DVD players, recorders, DVD-Roms, Blu-ray players, Sony/Nintendo/Xbox players on the market. ALL play CDs. It'll be a long time before it's not possible to find a working player.

And again, I've asked you not to talk to me. Please ignore my posts and I will ignore yours.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #146 posted 11/20/16 3:52pm

cloveringold85

DJThunder: I'm not sure if your post was referring to what I said about "we didn't know this would happen."

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What I meant by my statement was that none of us knew that Prince's estate would be at battle with Tidal. I never said anything about Tidal being a "temporary source" for Prince's music. I never really knew much about Tidal, until all hell broke loose!

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None of us could have possibly known that things would get this ugly.

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[Edited 11/20/16 15:53pm]

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #147 posted 11/20/16 4:20pm

djThunderfunk

cloveringold85 said:

DJThunder: I'm not sure if your post was referring to what I said about "we didn't know this would happen."

.

What I meant by my statement was that none of us knew that Prince's estate would be at battle with Tidal. I never said anything about Tidal being a "temporary source" for Prince's music. I never really knew much about Tidal, until all hell broke loose!

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None of us could have possibly known that things would get this ugly.

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[Edited 11/20/16 15:53pm]


Perhaps. However, many of us predicted Tidal's streaming license would last only as long as Prince was interested in working with them and/or as long as Tidal was willing to pay Prince what he thought the deal was worth. Knowing his history with labels and online services, the odds were always against their deal lasting more than a few years. Even if he was still with us, he would have eventually moved on from the service.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #148 posted 11/20/16 9:20pm

oliviacamron

I wood like to buy the physical albums in CDs but I wonder if I can somehow record the songs from CD to sd card confuse
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #149 posted 11/20/16 10:02pm

djThunderfunk

oliviacamron said:

I wood like to buy the physical albums in CDs but I wonder if I can somehow record the songs from CD to sd card confuse


Rip the CDs (if your device does not have a CD drive you can get a portable USB unit for about $25 OR find a friend whose computer has a CD or DVD drive), copy paste digital files to SD card. Done.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #150 posted 11/20/16 10:10pm

oliviacamron

djThunderfunk said:

 



oliviacamron said:


I wood like to buy the physical albums in CDs but I wonder if I can somehow record the songs from CD to sd card confuse


Rip the CDs (if your device does not have a CD drive you can get a portable USB unit for about $25 OR find a friend whose computer has a CD or DVD drive), copy paste digital files to SD card. Done.


Thanks for responding. So Tidal has 45 no actually 47 Prince albums on there service . It will cost me a lot to buy all of them.
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #151 posted 11/20/16 10:19pm

oliviacamron

oliviacamron said:

djThunderfunk said:

 



oliviacamron said:


I wood like to buy the physical albums in CDs but I wonder if I can somehow record the songs from CD to sd card confuse


Rip the CDs (if your device does not have a CD drive you can get a portable USB unit for about $25 OR find a friend whose computer has a CD or DVD drive), copy paste digital files to SD card. Done.


Thanks for responding. So Tidal has 45 no actually 47 no actually 48 ( two are in he wrong place) Prince albums on there service . It will cost me a lot to buy all of them.

If you count Prince album with 94 east that makes 50 Prince albums on Tidal!
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #152 posted 11/21/16 6:28am

djThunderfunk

oliviacamron said:

oliviacamron said:
Thanks for responding. So Tidal has 45 no actually 47 no actually 48 ( two are in he wrong place) Prince albums on there service . It will cost me a lot to buy all of them.
If you count Prince album with 94 east that makes 50 Prince albums on Tidal!


Hmm, I don't have Tidal so I'm guessing... some of those are singles?

Regardless, it would be a lot to have to purchase at once. I wasn't suggesting anybody stop using Tidal and instead buy all the albums at one time. I was commenting on those that used to have the CDs but got rid of them to go digital.

That said, if you want to build a physical collection, start with the affordably available and get them one or two at a time. Maybe by the time they're not on Tidal anymore you'll have started a decent collection. Keep in mind, some of the Prince's albums are not available on CD or are expensive on CD. I would buy digital copies of those from Tidal's download store. Just be sure to back them up to at least 2 places (device, flashdrive, cloud, burn a disc, whatever).

P.S. most of the old stuff will eventually be remastered and re-released, so for instance if you buy a Purple Rain CD now, you'll be looking at buying a second copy when the deluxe set gets released next year.


We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #153 posted 11/21/16 12:16pm

cloveringold85

djThunderfunk said:

cloveringold85 said:

DJThunder: I'm not sure if your post was referring to what I said about "we didn't know this would happen."

.

What I meant by my statement was that none of us knew that Prince's estate would be at battle with Tidal. I never said anything about Tidal being a "temporary source" for Prince's music. I never really knew much about Tidal, until all hell broke loose!

.

None of us could have possibly known that things would get this ugly.

.

[Edited 11/20/16 15:53pm]


Perhaps. However, many of us predicted Tidal's streaming license would last only as long as Prince was interested in working with them and/or as long as Tidal was willing to pay Prince what he thought the deal was worth. Knowing his history with labels and online services, the odds were always against their deal lasting more than a few years. Even if he was still with us, he would have eventually moved on from the service.

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Yes, perhaps he would have. Prince was known to change his mind with the wind.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #154 posted 11/21/16 5:13pm

PennyPurple

cloveringold85 said:

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said: Kanye West urged a meeting with Apple demanding Apple buy Tidal. Apple said they have no interest in Tidal. The streaming market is saturated and even deep pockets tech companies are struggling against Spotify. It takes a lot of money and it's a long game. Tidal has been losing millions and who knows how long they can keep bleeding money and not die. They urgently need a cash infusion and everyone with money is weary in going against the big boys who themselves are losing money. [Edited 11/18/16 13:27pm]

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Yes, I read about that story about Kanye -- he was so pissed at JayZ. I also read that Tidal owes a lot of money to people, and now they are being sued by Prince's estate....so, maybe its ADIOS for Tidal!! wave

Maybe that was what Kanye's rant was about this weekend with JayZ. He said JayZ had killers.

Reply #155 posted 11/21/16 9:16pm

mnfriend

Quote from laurarichardson:
"
--- Does anyone else believe that Prince actually gave Jay-Z files with no upfront money. The lawsuit has a court order to remove the music from Tidal and as of today the files are still up. Can anyone explain this?"

I have a burning thought I haven't seen mentioned in my following of Prince death information. I am not an insider, just throwing this out FWIW.
Did anyone find xxx's trip to Switzerland right after Prince died
an odd choice to vacation? Maybe I've seen too many movies,
but Switzerland reminds me of skiing, and easy, no questions asked,
banking.
Reply #156 posted 11/21/16 11:53pm

oliviacamron

mnfriend said:

Quote from laurarichardson:
"
--- Does anyone else believe that Prince actually gave Jay-Z files with no upfront money. The lawsuit has a court order to remove the music from Tidal and as of today the files are still up. Can anyone explain this?"

I have a burning thought I haven't seen mentioned in my following of Prince death information. I am not an insider, just throwing this out FWIW.
Did anyone find xxx's trip to Switzerland right after Prince died
an odd choice to vacation? Maybe I've seen too many movies,
but Switzerland reminds me of skiing, and easy, no questions asked,
banking.

Is it confirmed he went to Switzerland? I keep hearing about it but was there any proof? I remember the very first time I heard xxx went on vacation after the death, I said aloud to myself in a joking way " where Switzerland to open a Swiss bank account" . Now I actually keep hearing he really went there.
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #157 posted 11/21/16 11:57pm

oliviacamron

djThunderfunk said:

 



oliviacamron said:


oliviacamron said:
Thanks for responding. So Tidal has 45 no actually 47 no actually 48 ( two are in he wrong place) Prince albums on there service . It will cost me a lot to buy all of them.

If you count Prince album with 94 east that makes 50 Prince albums on Tidal!


Hmm, I don't have Tidal so I'm guessing... some of those are singles?

Regardless, it would be a lot to have to purchase at once. I wasn't suggesting anybody stop using Tidal and instead buy all the albums at one time. I was commenting on those that used to have the CDs but got rid of them to go digital.

That said, if you want to build a physical collection, start with the affordably available and get them one or two at a time. Maybe by the time they're not on Tidal anymore you'll have started a decent collection. Keep in mind, some of the Prince's albums are not available on CD or are expensive on CD. I would buy digital copies of those from Tidal's download store. Just be sure to back them up to at least 2 places (device, flashdrive, cloud, burn a disc, whatever).

P.S. most of the old stuff will eventually be remastered and re-released, so for instance if you buy a Purple Rain CD now, you'll be looking at buying a second copy when the deluxe set gets released next year.



I didn't count the singles ( mostly live). I did count hitnrun as two albums though. I counted rave unto and into as one album.
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #158 posted 11/22/16 12:43am

TheEnglishGent

oliviacamron said:

mnfriend said:
Quote from laurarichardson: " --- Does anyone else believe that Prince actually gave Jay-Z files with no upfront money. The lawsuit has a court order to remove the music from Tidal and as of today the files are still up. Can anyone explain this?" I have a burning thought I haven't seen mentioned in my following of Prince death information. I am not an insider, just throwing this out FWIW. Did anyone find xxx's trip to Switzerland right after Prince died an odd choice to vacation? Maybe I've seen too many movies, but Switzerland reminds me of skiing, and easy, no questions asked, banking.
Is it confirmed he went to Switzerland? I keep hearing about it but was there any proof? I remember the very first time I heard xxx went on vacation after the death, I said aloud to myself in a joking way " where Switzerland to open a Swiss bank account" . Now I actually keep hearing he really went there.

who is xxx?

RIP sad
Reply #159 posted 11/22/16 1:15am

oliviacamron

TheEnglishGent said:

 



oliviacamron said:


mnfriend said:
Quote from laurarichardson: " --- Does anyone else believe that Prince actually gave Jay-Z files with no upfront money. The lawsuit has a court order to remove the music from Tidal and as of today the files are still up. Can anyone explain this?" I have a burning thought I haven't seen mentioned in my following of Prince death information. I am not an insider, just throwing this out FWIW. Did anyone find xxx's trip to Switzerland right after Prince died an odd choice to vacation? Maybe I've seen too many movies, but Switzerland reminds me of skiing, and easy, no questions asked, banking.

Is it confirmed he went to Switzerland? I keep hearing about it but was there any proof? I remember the very first time I heard xxx went on vacation after the death, I said aloud to myself in a joking way " where Switzerland to open a Swiss bank account" . Now I actually keep hearing he really went there.

who is xxx?


Kirk
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #160 posted 11/22/16 3:55am

Lovejunky

mnfriend said:

Quote from laurarichardson: " --- Does anyone else believe that Prince actually gave Jay-Z files with no upfront money.

I believe its very possible that Jayz Paid CA$H up front.

Prince made handshake agreements...I have read it a few times.

He prefered to work on TRUST.

The lawsuit has a court order to remove the music from Tidal and as of today the files are still up.Which is really puzzling, it means that JayZ must have some kind of PROOF thats keeping the music UP, otherwise it would be gone...wouldnt it ?

Can anyone explain this?" I have a burning thought I haven't seen mentioned in my following of Prince death information. I am not an insider, just throwing this out FWIW. Did anyone find xxx's trip to Switzerland right after Prince died an odd choice to vacation? Maybe I've seen too many movies, but Switzerland reminds me of skiing, and easy, no questions asked, banking.Are you implying that Kirk went to switzerland to dump cash.?...If Kirk had cash its becasue Prince Trusted him to hold it, and If thats the case...that Money belongs to Kirk....Prince would have wanted him to have it..Thats who he was..He looked after his people and Kirk was certainly one of them.....I dont blame him for going to Switzerland..A) To escape the circus to Grieve..He would have been gutted..Kirk was with him for over 40 years...b) WHoever advised him to go to switzerland had his best interests at heart. Any of you who believe that Kirk would screw over Prince are idiots. Put yourself in Kirks place...PRiNCE has held YOu as a confidant for his entire Career...Are YOU going to betray him ???????? NO WAY..Kirk has a right to whatever cash he landed with....The estate and Heirs are still squabbling, The Music Execs are like hungry Piraanahs,no one can agree on anything.You can bet that Kirk is being involved in everything thats going on a lot more than we see. He was consistantly CLOSE to prince..he didnt drop in and go like so many others...Kirk was there until the end....Just becasue we havent heard anything from him, DONT assume that he is GUILTY of anything except maybe saving some of Princes CASH from being squandred away on Legal Bull shit.....


Prince Supported TIDAL and JAYz Deal with it !

Maybe Prince Music is THE Thing to get Tidal back into the Black ? smile

Maybe TIDAL is a good thing and JAYZ is inspired by the Good Heart of Prince ?

Maybe we have got it all worng...

Come what may I DO believe that all this will have a Good Outcome...

Prince is MAGIC and the Posative effect he has had on our Planet will continue to ripple outwards for always.

Time is a mind construct

[Edited 11/22/16 4:00am]

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #161 posted 11/22/16 4:44am

mnfriend

Lovejunky, from my outside view, I would offer an opinion that I hope a decades old, loyal, hardworking to the end friend and employee
would be compensated accordingly.
Reply #162 posted 11/22/16 5:06am

Lovejunky

mnfriend said:

Lovejunky, from my outside view, I would offer an opinion that I hope a decades old, loyal, hardworking to the end friend and employee would be compensated accordingly.

One would HOPE So..yes...

But the ways things have been going it doesnt look promising...6 siblings are first in line...

Some of them had nothing to with with Princes life at all..

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #163 posted 11/22/16 5:14am

TheEnglishGent

oliviacamron said:

TheEnglishGent said:

who is xxx?

Kirk

Ah thanks. So why don't we write his name?

RIP sad
Reply #164 posted 11/22/16 5:37am

TwiliteKid

TheEnglishGent said:

 



oliviacamron said:


TheEnglishGent said:

 


who is xxx?



Kirk

Ah thanks. So why don't we write his name?


Because they're batshit crazy?
Reply #165 posted 11/22/16 6:55am

TheEnglishGent

TwiliteKid said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Ah thanks. So why don't we write his name?

Because they're batshit crazy?

lol lol

RIP sad
Reply #166 posted 11/22/16 7:29am

laurarichardson

mnfriend said:

Quote from laurarichardson: " --- Does anyone else believe that Prince actually gave Jay-Z files with no upfront money. The lawsuit has a court order to remove the music from Tidal and as of today the files are still up. Can anyone explain this?" I have a burning thought I haven't seen mentioned in my following of Prince death information. I am not an insider, just throwing this out FWIW. Did anyone find xxx's trip to Switzerland right after Prince died an odd choice to vacation? Maybe I've seen too many movies, but Switzerland reminds me of skiing, and easy, no questions asked, banking.

So does Turks and Cacios and buying real estate left and right. I would not be surprised if Prince was paid in cash and that money was stashed in some bank account the estate knows nothing about or spent in some real estate transaction. All Jay-Z has to do is show he paid it and since the music is still up despite a court order he must have some proof.

The estate screwed up by not sorting this out before going on about putting the music on other platforms which is only going to bring in pennies. Has anyone found 4ever on itunes today.

Reply #167 posted 11/22/16 12:25pm

Se7en

laurarichardson said:

mnfriend said:

Quote from laurarichardson: " --- Does anyone else believe that Prince actually gave Jay-Z files with no upfront money. The lawsuit has a court order to remove the music from Tidal and as of today the files are still up. Can anyone explain this?" I have a burning thought I haven't seen mentioned in my following of Prince death information. I am not an insider, just throwing this out FWIW. Did anyone find xxx's trip to Switzerland right after Prince died an odd choice to vacation? Maybe I've seen too many movies, but Switzerland reminds me of skiing, and easy, no questions asked, banking.

So does Turks and Cacios and buying real estate left and right. I would not be surprised if Prince was paid in cash and that money was stashed in some bank account the estate knows nothing about or spent in some real estate transaction. All Jay-Z has to do is show he paid it and since the music is still up despite a court order he must have some proof.

The estate screwed up by not sorting this out before going on about putting the music on other platforms which is only going to bring in pennies. Has anyone found 4ever on itunes today.



It's on iTunes, you just have to search for it. Although, for some reason it has a release date of tomorrow (11/23/16) on iTunes.

All of the tracks are listed as Album Only, but I'm not sure if that will change tomorrow.

Reply #168 posted 11/22/16 12:28pm

Se7en

djThunderfunk said:

oliviacamron said:

oliviacamron said: If you count Prince album with 94 east that makes 50 Prince albums on Tidal!


Hmm, I don't have Tidal so I'm guessing... some of those are singles?

Regardless, it would be a lot to have to purchase at once. I wasn't suggesting anybody stop using Tidal and instead buy all the albums at one time. I was commenting on those that used to have the CDs but got rid of them to go digital.

That said, if you want to build a physical collection, start with the affordably available and get them one or two at a time. Maybe by the time they're not on Tidal anymore you'll have started a decent collection. Keep in mind, some of the Prince's albums are not available on CD or are expensive on CD. I would buy digital copies of those from Tidal's download store. Just be sure to back them up to at least 2 places (device, flashdrive, cloud, burn a disc, whatever).

P.S. most of the old stuff will eventually be remastered and re-released, so for instance if you buy a Purple Rain CD now, you'll be looking at buying a second copy when the deluxe set gets released next year.




I downloaded a bunch of the NPGMC stuff from Tidal in FLAC quality. They were never released on CD, and I have a feeling that soon they won't even be on TIDAL anymore either.

As for the normal discography, you can get CDs for about $10 or so on Amazon. That's not too pricey. Then just rip the stuff on your computer and enjoy your own self-made MP3s or AACs. Don't buy MP3s, it's kind of a waste of money.

Reply #169 posted 11/22/16 12:54pm

oliviacamron

Se7en said:

 



djThunderfunk said:


 



oliviacamron said:


oliviacamron said: If you count Prince album with 94 east that makes 50 Prince albums on Tidal!


Hmm, I don't have Tidal so I'm guessing... some of those are singles?

Regardless, it would be a lot to have to purchase at once. I wasn't suggesting anybody stop using Tidal and instead buy all the albums at one time. I was commenting on those that used to have the CDs but got rid of them to go digital.

That said, if you want to build a physical collection, start with the affordably available and get them one or two at a time. Maybe by the time they're not on Tidal anymore you'll have started a decent collection. Keep in mind, some of the Prince's albums are not available on CD or are expensive on CD. I would buy digital copies of those from Tidal's download store. Just be sure to back them up to at least 2 places (device, flashdrive, cloud, burn a disc, whatever).

P.S. most of the old stuff will eventually be remastered and re-released, so for instance if you buy a Purple Rain CD now, you'll be looking at buying a second copy when the deluxe set gets released next year.






I downloaded a bunch of the NPGMC stuff from Tidal in FLAC quality. They were never released on CD, and I have a feeling that soon they won't even be on TIDAL anymore either.

As for the normal discography, you can get CDs for about $10 or so on Amazon. That's not too pricey. Then just rip the stuff on your computer and enjoy your own self-made MP3s or AACs. Don't buy MP3s, it's kind of a waste of money.


 


 


2 days ago there were 50 albums ,now there are 48 . I counted 3 times the other day to make sure. I don't know which ones are missing already or if sometimes they just don't show up
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #170 posted 11/22/16 1:40pm

oliviacamron

I think it was on this thread somewhere someone said Tidal was in cahoots with Warners and someone else said not so. Well I tried to find the customer service number to Tidal and the only number I got was for the company Aspiro in Sweden . So on Aspiro's website they still have Tidal listed as there company. They sell shares , ( I don't really understand that crap and don't explain). So on Aspiro's website that owns Tidal ,they also have a list of other companies at the bottom of there webpage. Now they must be affiliated with these companies other wise why would these names be on there webpage. Warner Bros IS on Aspiro's webpage. There is also Sony music and about 5 other companies. Warners Bros, Tidal, Aspiro, are in cahoots!!!!!
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #171 posted 11/22/16 3:28pm

Ingela

oliviacamron said:

I think it was on this thread somewhere someone said Tidal was in cahoots with Warners and someone else said not so. Well I tried to find the customer service number to Tidal and the only number I got was for the company Aspiro in Sweden . So on Aspiro's website they still have Tidal listed as there company. They sell shares , ( I don't really understand that crap and don't explain). So on Aspiro's website that owns Tidal ,they also have a list of other companies at the bottom of there webpage. Now they must be affiliated with these companies other wise why would these names be on there webpage. Warner Bros IS on Aspiro's webpage. There is also Sony music and about 5 other companies. Warners Bros, Tidal, Aspiro, are in cahoots!!!!!



Tidal was originally Swedish company owned by Aspiro. I'm not sure if JayZ and his investors bought it out completely or if Aspiro still owns part of it. I would asume that all the infrastructure stayed in Sweden rather than bring it all back to the States and start from scratch.
Reply #172 posted 11/22/16 4:57pm

mnfriend

TheEnglishGent said:

 



TwiliteKid said:


TheEnglishGent said:

 


Ah thanks. So why don't we write his name?



Because they're batshit crazy?

lol lol




To the contrary, it was addressed to people that would know, and I did not want to write the name and have it gossipy. Sorry if confusing, insults not necessary.
Reply #173 posted 11/22/16 6:03pm

803

I have been trying to track down Prince albums on tidal. I couldn't just type in Prince and pull them all up so every time someone mentions an album on Prince.org, I've been searching for it on tidal and this is the list of what I have been able to find..if anyone can give me additional albums that I don't have, I'd appreciate it...and Prince 4ever isn't on tidal. Or, at least I can't find it.
1. For you
2. Dirty mind
3. 1999
4. Purple rain
5. Sign o the times
6. 94 east
7. Hits side 1
8. Hits side 2
9. Hits the b side
10. Prince and new power generation
11. Diamonds and pearls
12.indigo nights
13. The vault
14. Lovesexy
15. Controversy
16. Prince
17. Chaos & disorder
18. Gold experience
19. Black album
20. Come
21. Gett off
22. Graffiti bridge
23.batman
24. Plectrum electrum
25. Around the world in a day
26. C note
27. Musicology
28. Chocolate invasion
29. News
30 xpectation
31 rave un2 the joy fantastic
32 rave in2 the joy fantastic
33 crystal ball
34 the truth
35 emancipation
3620ten
37 lotusflow3r vol. 1 & 2
38 planet earth
39 3121
40 ultimate Prince
41 slaughterhouse
42 exodus
43 girl6
44 new power soul
45 kamasutra
46 parade
47 hit and run 1 & 2
48 art official age
49 the after show
50 one night alone live
51 One night alone
52 Rainbow children
53 very best of Prince
54 1999:the new master
55. The war

I'm can't pull up the Syracuse live show that people were talking about recently...maybe it was only available in the uk???
[Edited 11/22/16 22:46pm]
Reply #174 posted 11/22/16 6:13pm

oliviacamron

803 said:

I have been trying to track down Prince albums on tidal. I couldn't just type in Prince and pull them all up so every time someone mentions an album on Prince.org, I've been searching for it on tidal and this is the list of what I have been able to find..if anyone can give me additional albums that I don't have, I'd appreciate it...and Prince 4ever isn't on tidal. Or, at least I can't find it.
1. For you
2. Dirty mind
3. 1999
4. Purple rain
5. Sign o the times
6. 94 east
7. Hits side 1
8. Hits side 2
9. Hits the b side
10. Prince and new power generation
11. Diamonds and pearls
12.indigo nights
13. The vault
14. Lovesexy
15. Controversy
16. Prince
17. Chaos & disorder
18. Gold experience
19. Black album
20. Come
21. Gett off
22. Graffiti bridge
23.batman
24. Plectrum electrum
25. Around the world in a day
26. C note
27. Musicology
28. Chocolate invasion
29. News
30 xpectation
31 rave un2 the joy fantastic
32 rave in2 the joy fantastic
33 crystal ball
34 the truth
35 emancipation
3620ten
37 lotusflow3r vol. 1 & 2
38 planet earth
39 3121
40 ultimate Prince
41 slaughterhouse
42 exodus
43 girl6
44 new power soul
45 kamasutra
46 parade
47 hit and run 1 & 2
48 art official age
49 the after show
50 one night alone live
51 One night alone
52 Rainbow children
53 very best of Prince

I'm can't pull up the Syracuse live show that people were talking about recently...maybe it was only available in the uk???

It's available on Tidal.com for purchase. It's not coming up in the Tidal app for Android. I'm in the US. I wanted to stream it but it's not up on the stream options
[Edited 11/22/16 18:14pm]
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #175 posted 11/22/16 6:26pm

803

What are you typing into the search function? I typed Syracuse live and it didn't come up. Then I added Prince and it still doesn't come up..
Reply #176 posted 11/22/16 8:42pm

Namelessfan

Where should I purchase Prince's music in a way that will benefit his estate - since it's no longer possible to support him directly?

I bought cd's from Amazon but probably some are bootlegs; I subscribed to tidal because I thought

Prince had a deal with them.

I don't want to support anyone who is exploiting him.

Please advise!

Reply #177 posted 11/22/16 8:50pm

Ingela

Namelessfan said:

Where should I purchase Prince's music in a way that will benefit his estate - since it's no longer possible to support him directly?


I bought cd's from Amazon but probably some are bootlegs; I subscribed to tidal because I thought


Prince had a deal with them.


I don't want to support anyone who is exploiting him.


 


Please advise!


 


 


 




Send me your money with what you want and I'll place the proceeds in his urn myself personally. Western union only.
Totally legit.
Reply #178 posted 11/22/16 8:58pm

djThunderfunk

Namelessfan said:

Where should I purchase Prince's music in a way that will benefit his estate - since it's no longer possible to support him directly?

I bought cd's from Amazon but probably some are bootlegs; I subscribed to tidal because I thought

Prince had a deal with them.

I don't want to support anyone who is exploiting him.

Please advise!


Prince did indeed have a deal with Tidal, but, with the estate disputing the details of the deal, there's a good chance it won't last. You can purchase official digital copies from Tidal now while they're still available.

As for benefitting the estate, give it time, when they work out all the details and start releasing stuff you'll hear about it here on the org.



We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #179 posted 11/22/16 10:04pm

Namelessfan

Ingela said:

Namelessfan said:

Send me your money with what you want and I'll place the proceeds in his urn myself personally. Western union only. Totally legit.

Ok I'm sending you a bunch of money right now.

Or maybe you could consider that some people are sincere and just want to do the right thing.

Reply #180 posted 11/23/16 2:44am

oliviacamron

803 said:

What are you typing into the search function? I typed Syracuse live and it didn't come up. Then I added Prince and it still doesn't come up..

Had the same problem. Tidal is stupid. Did you go into the Tidal shop? You have to buY it for like $14.
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #181 posted 11/23/16 10:01am

laurarichardson

oliviacamron said:

803 said:
What are you typing into the search function? I typed Syracuse live and it didn't come up. Then I added Prince and it still doesn't come up..
Had the same problem. Tidal is stupid. Did you go into the Tidal shop? You have to buY it for like $14.

Why would you want to buy it. It is a bootleg.

Reply #182 posted 11/24/16 5:46am

zenarose

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-05-28/why-jay-z-s-tidal-streaming-music-service-has-been-a-disaster

Reply #183 posted 11/24/16 7:56am

laurarichardson

zenarose said:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-05-28/why-jay-z-s-tidal-streaming-music-service-has-been-a-disaster

Why is everybody in the business world so interested in seeing this guy fail. That is a question that really needs to be answered. This article was from last year yet the service is still up and running.

Reply #184 posted 11/24/16 8:10am

Ingela

Look both Apple, all Android devices, Amazon all have their music apps pre-intalled in all their devices. They have that advantage plus the infringement and the deep pockets to lose millions upon millions.....and they still can barely get a fraction of users as Spotify.

.
Jay Z is probably a great business man but this is a difficult business. Spotify had the benefit of being one the first and best services, while the record companies were happy with the old Apple model of selling a song for .99 cents.
Even a company like Apple fell asleep at the wheel and was lulled by its own little monopoly. Apple is now scrambling to make up for lost time with the introduction and 3 free month promotion of its own streaming service but like I said it only has a fraction of the customers Spotify has.

.
Its a difficult business to be in right now and wish Jay Z all the best, but like most people I'm happy with Spotify and don't plan on switching. Having Prince as an exclusive is great for them but as a huge Prince fan I've had all that music to stream already. I use Spotify to find new artist and music that I might otherwise not have explored. And as a music lover, that's what it's all about. Like being a kid in a candy store able to taste all the candies you want.
Reply #185 posted 11/24/16 9:00am

laurarichardson

Ingela said:

Look both Apple, all Android devices, Amazon all have their music apps pre-intalled in all their devices. They have that advantage plus the infringement and the deep pockets to lose millions upon millions.....and they still can barely get a fraction of users as Spotify. . Jay Z is probably a great business man but this is a difficult business. Spotify had the benefit of being one the first and best services, while the record companies were happy with the old Apple model of selling a song for .99 cents. Even a company like Apple fell asleep at the wheel and was lulled by its own little monopoly. Apple is now scrambling to make up for lost time with the introduction and 3 free month promotion of its own streaming service but like I said it only has a fraction of the customers Spotify has. . Its a difficult business to be in right now and wish Jay Z all the best, but like most people I'm happy with Spotify and don't plan on switching. Having Prince as an exclusive is great for them but as a huge Prince fan I've had all that music to stream already. I use Spotify to find new artist and music that I might otherwise not have explored. And as a music lover, that's what it's all about. Like being a kid in a candy store able to taste all the candies you want.

Podcast about Tidal and the lawsuit

http://podcastjuice.net/category/shows/the-prince-podcast/.

They have an attorney that gives some good insight.

Reply #186 posted 11/26/16 5:21pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

zenarose said:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-05-28/why-jay-z-s-tidal-streaming-music-service-has-been-a-disaster

Why is everybody in the business world so interested in seeing this guy fail. That is a question that really needs to be answered. This article was from last year yet the service is still up and running.

Because he is a crook and he has screwed over a lot of people. I don't think people want to see him fall but more so see him get exposed. He is full shit.

Reply #187 posted 11/26/16 5:23pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

Why is everybody in the business world so interested in seeing this guy fail. That is a question that really needs to be answered. This article was from last year yet the service is still up and running.

Because he is a crook and he has screwed over a lot of people. I don't think people want to see him fall but more so see him get exposed. He is full shit.

.

yeahthat

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #188 posted 11/26/16 7:21pm

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



zenarose said:


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-05-28/why-jay-z-s-tidal-streaming-music-service-has-been-a-disaster



Why is everybody in the business world so interested in seeing this guy fail. That is a question that really needs to be answered. This article was from last year yet the service is still up and running.



Because he is a crook and he has screwed over a lot of people. I don't think people want to see him fall but more so see him get exposed. He is full shit.


-- Well he has been exposed according to those articles but nothing changes. The lawsuit that was filed by Breamer has a court order to removed the content but nothing has been removed how does Jay-z best a court order. I am sorry guys Tidal must have some written agreement and must have sent some payment. I am sorry but Prince wanted his music Tidal and anyone who thinks he sent files with out getting money up front is losing it. How in the world did Jay-z get the files from as you know he was sending them while Prince was alive. I think Breamer has no idea where the funds went to it does not mean he was not paid.
Reply #189 posted 11/26/16 8:40pm

rogifan

I see people on Facebook reporting some albums now missing from Tidal, specifically Emancipation and 3121. The Estate really needs to get this sorted. Priority #1 should be making ALL of his music available for purchase on all platforms. I know he had a lot of different relationships after WB but that's what people like Londell get paid the big bucks for. Get it sorted already.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #190 posted 11/26/16 10:08pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

Because he is a crook and he has screwed over a lot of people. I don't think people want to see him fall but more so see him get exposed. He is full shit.

-- Well he has been exposed according to those articles but nothing changes. The lawsuit that was filed by Breamer has a court order to removed the content but nothing has been removed how does Jay-z best a court order. I am sorry guys Tidal must have some written agreement and must have sent some payment. I am sorry but Prince wanted his music Tidal and anyone who thinks he sent files with out getting money up front is losing it. How in the world did Jay-z get the files from as you know he was sending them while Prince was alive. I think Breamer has no idea where the funds went to it does not mean he was not paid.

These things are not as simple and cut and dry as they might appear. I heard some of his albums have been removed so they are probably still working on it Where is the written agreement? Nothing has been proven yet that there is a written agreement. I am not believing a word until I see a receipt and until then I hope the Estate continues to fight Tidal. Also, Tidal was not paying multiple artists a couple artists sued so it wasn't just Prince.

Reply #191 posted 11/27/16 9:49am

XxAxX

TheEnglishGent said:

oliviacamron said:

mnfriend said: Is it confirmed he went to Switzerland? I keep hearing about it but was there any proof? I remember the very first time I heard xxx went on vacation after the death, I said aloud to myself in a joking way " where Switzerland to open a Swiss bank account" . Now I actually keep hearing he really went there.

who is xxx?



sad awwww. this feeds my fantasy that prince is alive, seeking treatment away from the public eye. switzerland is known not only for its banking system, but also for its clinics

Reply #192 posted 11/27/16 9:49am

XxAxX

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

Yes, I read about that story about Kanye -- he was so pissed at JayZ. I also read that Tidal owes a lot of money to people, and now they are being sued by Prince's estate....so, maybe its ADIOS for Tidal!! wave

Maybe that was what Kanye's rant was about this weekend with JayZ. He said JayZ had killers.




dang. i'm as paranoid as yeezy, because this is what i thought when i read yeezy had said that...

Reply #193 posted 11/27/16 12:08pm

cloveringold85

XxAxX said:

TheEnglishGent said:

who is xxx?



sad awwww. this feeds my fantasy that prince is alive, seeking treatment away from the public eye. switzerland is known not only for its banking system, but also for its clinics

.

Wouldn't that be wonderful if he was still alive and well? biggrin

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #194 posted 11/27/16 12:11pm

cloveringold85

XxAxX said:

PennyPurple said:

Maybe that was what Kanye's rant was about this weekend with JayZ. He said JayZ had killers.




dang. i'm as paranoid as yeezy, because this is what i thought when i read yeezy had said that...

.

Kanye West said: “Jay Z—call me, bruh. You still ain’t called me. Jay Z, I know you got killers. Please don’t send them at my head. Please call me. Talk to me like a man.”

.

Now, that didn't come from us!! eek

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #195 posted 11/27/16 12:33pm

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

 



laurarichardson said:


mjscarousal said:

 


Because he is a crook and he has screwed over a lot of people. I don't think people want to see him fall but more so see him get exposed. He is full shit.



-- Well he has been exposed according to those articles but nothing changes. The lawsuit that was filed by Breamer has a court order to removed the content but nothing has been removed how does Jay-z best a court order. I am sorry guys Tidal must have some written agreement and must have sent some payment. I am sorry but Prince wanted his music Tidal and anyone who thinks he sent files with out getting money up front is losing it. How in the world did Jay-z get the files from as you know he was sending them while Prince was alive. I think Breamer has no idea where the funds went to it does not mean he was not paid.

These things are not as simple and cut and dry as they might appear. I heard some of his albums have been removed so they are probably still working on it Where is the written agreement? Nothing has been proven yet that there is a written agreement. I am not believing a word until I see a receipt and until then I hope the Estate continues to fight Tidal. Also, Tidal was not paying multiple artists a couple artists sued so it wasn't just Prince.


-- The search area is wacky so I really don't think any music is gone. When you get a court it means all not some. We now are going into the two week mark. Also other artist may sued but Prince was speaking highly of Tidal the whole time he was alive and sent music a few days before he passed. You will also notice in the court docs that you do not see a lot of debts that Prince owed and only Tidal being gone after for a outstanding debt. Prince got his money up front from everyone.
Reply #196 posted 11/27/16 3:02pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

These things are not as simple and cut and dry as they might appear. I heard some of his albums have been removed so they are probably still working on it Where is the written agreement? Nothing has been proven yet that there is a written agreement. I am not believing a word until I see a receipt and until then I hope the Estate continues to fight Tidal. Also, Tidal was not paying multiple artists a couple artists sued so it wasn't just Prince.

-- The search area is wacky so I really don't think any music is gone. When you get a court it means all not some. We now are going into the two week mark. Also other artist may sued but Prince was speaking highly of Tidal the whole time he was alive and sent music a few days before he passed. You will also notice in the court docs that you do not see a lot of debts that Prince owed and only Tidal being gone after for a outstanding debt. Prince got his money up front from everyone.

Multiple people have reported that some of the albums are gone. I don't have Tidal so I don't know for certain but this is based off of what multiple fans have said. Regardless of what Prince said, we still don't know the specifics of his agreement with TIDAL. For example, just because he might have given Tidal permission to stream his music this year doesn't mean he gave TIDAL the permanent authority to stream forever. I am sure there was a time limit to it and that is what some of us are questioning.

Reply #197 posted 11/27/16 6:24pm

ldmendes

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said: -- The search area is wacky so I really don't think any music is gone. When you get a court it means all not some. We now are going into the two week mark. Also other artist may sued but Prince was speaking highly of Tidal the whole time he was alive and sent music a few days before he passed. You will also notice in the court docs that you do not see a lot of debts that Prince owed and only Tidal being gone after for a outstanding debt. Prince got his money up front from everyone.

Multiple people have reported that some of the albums are gone. I don't have Tidal so I don't know for certain but this is based off of what multiple fans have said. Regardless of what Prince said, we still don't know the specifics of his agreement with TIDAL. For example, just because he might have given Tidal permission to stream his music this year doesn't mean he gave TIDAL the permanent authority to stream forever. I am sure there was a time limit to it and that is what some of us are questioning.

I'm a Tidal member and the albums Emacipation and 3121 are gone..if you click on a deleted track you get a message saying the record label does not permit streaming of this track. There is still a lot of Prince music on Tidal that's available. That is why I joined. All I want is to be able to listen to and purchase Prince music..I don't mind paying a membership, I'm all for supporting the artisit..I don't care who's involved in the dispute, all I want is for them to work this out..I want my Prince music!!!! In the meantime, people can purchase the albums and download them..except for Emancipation and 3121..so that's what I'll do...I buy as many as I can. They're not terribly expensive..Chocolate Invasion was $9. Altogether, there are 44 Prince albums.

[Edited 11/27/16 18:32pm]

..Hello, who is it?
Yes, this is a prettyman, Princey!
Reply #198 posted 11/27/16 7:42pm

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

 



laurarichardson said:


mjscarousal said:

 


These things are not as simple and cut and dry as they might appear. I heard some of his albums have been removed so they are probably still working on it Where is the written agreement? Nothing has been proven yet that there is a written agreement. I am not believing a word until I see a receipt and until then I hope the Estate continues to fight Tidal. Also, Tidal was not paying multiple artists a couple artists sued so it wasn't just Prince.



-- The search area is wacky so I really don't think any music is gone. When you get a court it means all not some. We now are going into the two week mark. Also other artist may sued but Prince was speaking highly of Tidal the whole time he was alive and sent music a few days before he passed. You will also notice in the court docs that you do not see a lot of debts that Prince owed and only Tidal being gone after for a outstanding debt. Prince got his money up front from everyone.

 


Multiple people have reported that some of the albums are gone. I don't have Tidal so I don't know for certain but this is based off of what multiple fans have said. Regardless of what Prince said, we still don't know the specifics of his agreement with TIDAL. For example, just because he might have given Tidal permission to stream his music this year doesn't mean he gave TIDAL the permanent authority to stream forever. I am sure there was a time limit to it and that is what some of us are questioning.


--I belong to Tidal those two are not there today but titles have disappeared before and returned and their search engine is terrible. Please go to the Carver County website a read Tidal claim. They are saying they have a five years agreement and ninety days exclusivity. Go read the court docs and explain why all of the music has not been removed even 5
4ever is on Tidal.
Reply #199 posted 11/27/16 8:59pm

beautyunaffected

Its been over a day and 3121 and Emancipation is still missing. I dont think its an error.....
i think i want ya
Reply #200 posted 11/27/16 9:06pm

oliviacamron

beautyunaffected said:

Its been over a day and 3121 and Emancipation is still missing. I dont think its an error.....
Last night
I added everything else Prince has on Tidal to my offline playlist. Once you download them to your offline playlist, they won't go away. I still have Emancipation, I never had 3121 to my offline list so I don't have it anymore
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #201 posted 11/27/16 9:07pm

mjscarousal

ldmendes said:

mjscarousal said:

Multiple people have reported that some of the albums are gone. I don't have Tidal so I don't know for certain but this is based off of what multiple fans have said. Regardless of what Prince said, we still don't know the specifics of his agreement with TIDAL. For example, just because he might have given Tidal permission to stream his music this year doesn't mean he gave TIDAL the permanent authority to stream forever. I am sure there was a time limit to it and that is what some of us are questioning.

I'm a Tidal member and the albums Emacipation and 3121 are gone..if you click on a deleted track you get a message saying the record label does not permit streaming of this track. There is still a lot of Prince music on Tidal that's available. That is why I joined. All I want is to be able to listen to and purchase Prince music..I don't mind paying a membership, I'm all for supporting the artisit..I don't care who's involved in the dispute, all I want is for them to work this out..I want my Prince music!!!! In the meantime, people can purchase the albums and download them..except for Emancipation and 3121..so that's what I'll do...I buy as many as I can. They're not terribly expensive..Chocolate Invasion was $9. Altogether, there are 44 Prince albums.

[Edited 11/27/16 18:32pm]

That means something in the milk ain't clean. If they were there, why are they now gone? That is why I said there must be more things going on behind the scenes. If TIDAL had permission to stream all his music, IMO those albums would still be there.

Reply #202 posted 11/28/16 4:36am

beautyunaffected

oliviacamron said:

beautyunaffected said:

Its been over a day and 3121 and Emancipation is still missing. I dont think its an error.....
Last night
I added everything else Prince has on Tidal to my offline playlist. Once you download them to your offline playlist, they won't go away. I still have Emancipation, I never had 3121 to my offline list so I don't have it anymore


This isn't true. I for one had 3121 on my offline playlist and its still not working.
i think i want ya
Reply #203 posted 11/28/16 10:05am

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

ldmendes said:

I'm a Tidal member and the albums Emacipation and 3121 are gone..if you click on a deleted track you get a message saying the record label does not permit streaming of this track. There is still a lot of Prince music on Tidal that's available. That is why I joined. All I want is to be able to listen to and purchase Prince music..I don't mind paying a membership, I'm all for supporting the artisit..I don't care who's involved in the dispute, all I want is for them to work this out..I want my Prince music!!!! In the meantime, people can purchase the albums and download them..except for Emancipation and 3121..so that's what I'll do...I buy as many as I can. They're not terribly expensive..Chocolate Invasion was $9. Altogether, there are 44 Prince albums.

[Edited 11/27/16 18:32pm]

That means something in the milk ain't clean. If they were there, why are they now gone? That is why I said there must be more things going on behind the scenes. If TIDAL had permission to stream all his music, IMO those albums would still be there.

Two are gone what about the rest of the catalogue.

Reply #204 posted 11/28/16 9:34pm

oliviacamron

beautyunaffected said:

oliviacamron said:

Last night
I added everything else Prince has on Tidal to my offline playlist. Once you download them to your offline playlist, they won't go away. I still have Emancipation, I never had 3121 to my offline list so I don't have it anymore


This isn't true. I for one had 3121 on my offline playlist and its still not working.

Oh. I wonder why some still work and some dont
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #205 posted 11/29/16 11:57am

Ingela

Any of you folks still on Tidal, I would start looking at other options. Tidal is not long for this world. I don't see any knight in shining armor anywhere on the horizon to come save it. It's the living dead.

Much respect to what Jaz Z tried to do. He had the balls to tackle it, hopefully he can find a buyer to salvage parts of it and not lose his shirt over it. I wish him all the best. But things don't look good.
Reply #206 posted 11/29/16 1:54pm

cloveringold85

I just read on another thread that all the bootlegs were taken down.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #207 posted 11/29/16 6:10pm

zenarose

I got an email today from Tidal.

Notice of Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy Updates

Did anyone else receive notice today??
Reply #208 posted 11/29/16 6:25pm

TwiliteKid

zenarose said:

I got an email today from Tidal.

Notice of Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy Updates

Did anyone else receive notice today??


Yes. It is unrelated to anything to do with Prince.
Reply #209 posted 11/29/16 6:40pm

oliviacamron

TwiliteKid said:

zenarose said:

I got an email today from Tidal.

Notice of Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy Updates

Did anyone else receive notice today??


Yes. It wis unrelated to anything to do with Prince.

How is it unrelated? I think it could be related to the lawsuitS .
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #210 posted 11/29/16 6:40pm

ldmendes

TwiliteKid said:

zenarose said:
I got an email today from Tidal. Notice of Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy Updates Did anyone else receive notice today??
Yes. It is unrelated to anything to do with Prince.

I got it too..read most of it..the only thing that alluded to Prince or any of their music is that it could change without notice. I emailed asking if any of the deleted Prince music was coming back.. first; I'd be shocked if they responded and second;..I'm sure the answer is TBD

..Hello, who is it?
Yes, this is a prettyman, Princey!
Reply #211 posted 11/29/16 10:45pm

SomeSoldier

I haven't been following this topic at all, I'm not sure I care much about it. But he Prince family account on Twitter has posted a couple of links to Tidal in the last few hours - all of them about listening to Hitnrun songs and Free Urself...
Reply #212 posted 11/30/16 5:30am

TwiliteKid

ldmendes said:

 



TwiliteKid said:


zenarose said:
I got an email today from Tidal. Notice of Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy Updates Did anyone else receive notice today??

Yes. It is unrelated to anything to do with Prince.

I got it too..read most of it..the only thing that alluded to Prince or any of their music is that it could change without notice. I emailed asking if any of the deleted Prince music was coming back.. first; I'd be shocked if they responded and second;..I'm sure the answer is TBD



That specific clause isn't new.
Reply #213 posted 11/30/16 5:33am

TwiliteKid

oliviacamron said:

TwiliteKid said:



Yes. It wis unrelated to anything to do with Prince.

How is it unrelated? I think it could be related to the lawsuitS .


Did you bother to read the fucking email?
Reply #214 posted 11/30/16 5:39am

oliviacamron

TwiliteKid said:

oliviacamron said:


How is it unrelated? I think it could be related to the lawsuitS .


Did you bother to read the fucking email?

Heck no ,I ain't got time for that crap
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #215 posted 11/30/16 1:53pm

June7

Moderator

moderator

[let's be nice and civil to everyone. Thank you, - June7] ]
[PRINCE 4EVER!]

[June7, "ModGod"]
Reply #216 posted 11/30/16 3:40pm

oliviacamron

NEVERMIND
[Edited 11/30/16 22:43pm]
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #217 posted 11/30/16 6:54pm

Deliciousblur

And now Crystal Ball is gone as well...
New dance; ain't talkin bout the housequake, ain't talkin bout the shake n bake, ain't talkin bout RiceaRoni, ain't talkin bout macaroni. Talkin bout the Scratch.
Reply #218 posted 11/30/16 8:22pm

laurarichardson

[let's be nice and civil to everyone. Thank you, - June7]
Reply #219 posted 11/30/16 11:31pm

MoDrawersMoDrawers

Deliciousblur said:

And now Crystal Ball is gone as well...

And Musicology and One Nite Alone.
Swear you don't miss the organ grinder grinding on you every day.
Reply #220 posted 12/01/16 3:47am

blacknote

[let's be nice and civil to everyone. Thank you, - June7] ]

A great deal of thanks to you June7 and the other mods. You're right......it's gone on long enough.

Reply #221 posted 12/01/16 5:31am

oliviacamron

[let's be nice and civil to everyone. Thank you, - June7] ]
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #222 posted 12/01/16 5:37am

oliviacamron

MoDrawersMoDrawers said:

Deliciousblur said:

And now Crystal Ball is gone as well...

And Musicology and One Nite Alone.

They really must not have had permission
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #223 posted 12/01/16 7:18am

djThunderfunk

[As I stated, I wasn't requesting your opinion. You have no idea what you're talking about. The limited view you get as a result of your member-standing here, is just that - limited. While I understand your concern, I did say not to add to this. Now, let's be nice and civil to everyone. Thank you, - June7] ]
We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #224 posted 12/01/16 7:23am

laurarichardson

[let's be nice and civil to everyone. Thank you, - June7] ]
Reply #225 posted 12/01/16 7:35am

djThunderfunk

[let's be nice and civil to everyone. Thank you, - June7] ]
We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #226 posted 12/01/16 5:09pm

Purplestar88

[See my above response to the previous unrequested pov. Now, let's be nice and civil to everyone. Thank you, - June7] ]
Reply #227 posted 12/02/16 7:29am

June7

Moderator

moderator

[No, what's not cool is having to read insult after insult, flame baiting, rude, mean-spirited, condescending statement from the same Orger over and over and over. I called you out in public because I am trying to make a point to you directly to show you how you consistently treat others. And no, from what I can tell, it's not in response to rudeness - it's the springboard.
So, you can be as you are to others, but take it away promptly when it's directed at you? Hmmm ...
I had planned to leave this out for a day and then remove it. And I will now, but keep in mind how you post to others, your responses affect others in either a positive or negative way. Why can't we shoot for positive. And this goes to all of you. Stop being negative. Don't insult others or their posts. If you have issues with another Orger, stay clear of them. Ignore. Don't respond. This place will be a better place because of it. I will expect this to end here. If you, any of you, wish to make a bigger issue out of this than it needs to be, I will shut it down. While I appreciate your concern in this matter, it's best to be a fly on the wall on this one.
Thank you, fellow Mods, for indulging it me on this.
- June7]
[PRINCE 4EVER!]

[June7, "ModGod"]
Reply #228 posted 12/02/16 11:53am

oliviacamron

June7 said:

[let's be nice and civil to everyone. Thank you, - June7] ]

[Snip - luv4u]
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #229 posted 12/02/16 11:56am

oliviacamron

oliviacamron said:

June7 said:

[let's be nice and civil to everyone. Thank you, - June7] ]

[Snip - luv4u]
. [Snip - luv4u]
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #230 posted 12/02/16 12:08pm

oliviacamron

[Snip - luv4u]
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #231 posted 12/02/16 5:05pm

kingricefan

I'm a newbie so I don't know all of the backstories regarding members and whatnot, but I have seen some rudeness thrown around (at members and even at Prince and his family). I am a member of only one other message board (the SKMB over at Stephenking.com) and over there we all try to treat everyone with respect. H*ll, I don't even spell out all the letters in a swear word there because children come there and read what is posted and I don't want to contribute to them seeing a swear word when it's not my place to do so. Maybe just take a step back and breath? We are all here for our love of Prince, right? Prince was all about love and being positive so let's try to make that our way of life here on the org.

Reply #232 posted 12/02/16 5:13pm

oliviacamron

kingricefan said:

I'm a newbie so I don't know all of the backstories regarding members and whatnot, but I have seen some rudeness thrown around (at members and even at Prince and his family). I am a member of only one other message board (the SKMB over at Stephenking.com) and over there we all try to treat everyone with respect. H*ll, I don't even spell out all the letters in a swear word there because children come there and read what is posted and I don't want to contribute to them seeing a swear word when it's not my place to do so. Maybe just take a step back and breath? We are all here for our love of Prince, right? Prince was all about love and being positive so let's try to make that our way of life here on the org.


bored2
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #233 posted 12/02/16 5:19pm

oliviacamron

Some songs on the albums are not working either neutral d
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #234 posted 12/03/16 9:22am

NOH

Came here to find out details on TIDAL. Couldn't find it anywhere else. Now I know I am not crazy when I noticed particular songs not streaming or the Musicology album (which is one of my favs). Thanks for the detail. I wonder where his music will end up. Will come back and check.

Heap see, few know. .. Heap say, very few go ...
Reply #235 posted 12/03/16 12:33pm

purpleemotions

Luckily I downloaded all Prince's albums to my offline content so thankfully I still have the albums they have removed. I really hope and pray they don't remove anymore albums since I only have a few of Prince's physical cd's.

:Pop Life live in Detroit: music
Reply #236 posted 12/03/16 5:09pm

Purplestar88

June7 said:

[No, what's not cool is having to read insult after insult, flame baiting, rude, mean-spirited, condescending statement from the same Orger over and over and over. I called you out in public because I am trying to make a point to you directly to show you how you consistently treat others. And no, from what I can tell, it's not in response to rudeness - it's the springboard. So, you can be as you are to others, but take it away promptly when it's directed at you? Hmmm ... I had planned to leave this out for a day and then remove it. And I will now, but keep in mind how you post to others, your responses affect others in either a positive or negative way. Why can't we shoot for positive. And this goes to all of you. Stop being negative. Don't insult others or their posts. If you have issues with another Orger, stay clear of them. Ignore. Don't respond. This place will be a better place because of it. I will expect this to end here. If you, any of you, wish to make a bigger issue out of this than it needs to be, I will shut it down. While I appreciate your concern in this matter, it's best to be a fly on the wall on this one. Thank you, fellow Mods, for indulging it me on this. - June7]

I hope you apply this to all. I did nothing to be sniped.

Reply #237 posted 12/03/16 5:14pm

Purplestar88

kingricefan said:

I'm a newbie so I don't know all of the backstories regarding members and whatnot, but I have seen some rudeness thrown around (at members and even at Prince and his family). I am a member of only one other message board (the SKMB over at Stephenking.com) and over there we all try to treat everyone with respect. H*ll, I don't even spell out all the letters in a swear word there because children come there and read what is posted and I don't want to contribute to them seeing a swear word when it's not my place to do so. Maybe just take a step back and breath? We are all here for our love of Prince, right? Prince was all about love and being positive so let's try to make that our way of life here on the org.

They picked and choose who is being negative and being attacked. They did not sniped people who called Prince names.

Reply #238 posted 12/03/16 6:14pm

MIRvmn

Deliciousblur said:

And now Crystal Ball is gone as well...

and Rave Un2

Thunder, all through the night
Promise to see Jesus in the morning light
Take my hand, it'll be alright
C'mon save your soul tonight
Reply #239 posted 12/03/16 6:42pm

purpleemotions

MIRvmn said:

Deliciousblur said:

And now Crystal Ball is gone as well...

and Rave Un2

I just checked my TIDAL in hopes you were wrong but you weren't ugh cry

:Pop Life live in Detroit: music
Reply #240 posted 12/03/16 7:01pm

kingricefan

Thanks for the pleasant welcome. I come from a place of love. So sorry.

oliviacamron said:

kingricefan said:

I'm a newbie so I don't know all of the backstories regarding members and whatnot, but I have seen some rudeness thrown around (at members and even at Prince and his family). I am a member of only one other message board (the SKMB over at Stephenking.com) and over there we all try to treat everyone with respect. H*ll, I don't even spell out all the letters in a swear word there because children come there and read what is posted and I don't want to contribute to them seeing a swear word when it's not my place to do so. Maybe just take a step back and breath? We are all here for our love of Prince, right? Prince was all about love and being positive so let's try to make that our way of life here on the org.

bored2

Reply #241 posted 12/03/16 8:55pm

laurarichardson

purpleemotions said:

 



MIRvmn said:


 



Deliciousblur said:


And now Crystal Ball is gone as well...

and Rave Un2 



I just checked my TIDAL in hopes you were wrong but you weren't ugh cry


-- I am listen to Rave right now on Tidal. The search engine is screwy and some things go and then come back.
Reply #242 posted 12/03/16 9:07pm

purpleemotions

laurarichardson said:

purpleemotions said:

I just checked my TIDAL in hopes you were wrong but you weren't ugh cry

-- I am listen to Rave right now on Tidal. The search engine is screwy and some things go and then come back.

Are you sure? For my Tidal it's showing rave un2 as no longer available by the record label. Rave in2 is still accessible on Tidal.

:Pop Life live in Detroit: music
Reply #243 posted 12/03/16 9:07pm

803

laurarichardson said:[quote]

purpleemotions said:

 



MIRvmn said:


 



Deliciousblur said:


And now Crystal Ball is gone as well...

and Rave Un2 



I just checked my TIDAL in hopes you were wrong but you weren't ugh cry


-- I am listen to Rave right now on Tidal. The search engine is screwy and some things go and then come back.[/quote

I still have in2 and had un2 marked as a favorite and I now receive the dreaded blue banner saying content not available...and search doesn't pull it up...I wish this dispute would get resolved...
Reply #244 posted 12/03/16 9:23pm

purpleemotions

803 said:

laurarichardson said:

I just checked my TIDAL in hopes you were wrong but you weren't ugh cry

-- I am listen to Rave right now on Tidal. The search engine is screwy and some things go and then come back.[/quote I still have in2 and had un2 marked as a favorite and I now receive the dreaded blue banner saying content not available...and search doesn't pull it up...I wish this dispute would get resolved...

I have both downloaded to my offline content so I'm still able to listen to both albums. Rave in2 is still available but rave un2 is not.

:Pop Life live in Detroit: music
Reply #245 posted 12/03/16 11:04pm

oliviacamron

purpleemotions said:

 



MIRvmn said:


 



Deliciousblur said:


And now Crystal Ball is gone as well...

and Rave Un2 



I just checked my TIDAL in hopes you were wrong but you weren't ugh cry

sad and even if they are downloaded for offline, some songs still won't play
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #246 posted 12/03/16 11:16pm

oliviacamron

kingricefan said:

Thanks for the pleasant welcome. I come from a place of love. So sorry.



oliviacamron said:


kingricefan said:

I'm a newbie so I don't know all of the backstories regarding members and whatnot, but I have seen some rudeness thrown around (at members and even at Prince and his family). I am a member of only one other message board (the SKMB over at Stephenking.com) and over there we all try to treat everyone with respect. H*ll, I don't even spell out all the letters in a swear word there because children come there and read what is posted and I don't want to contribute to them seeing a swear word when it's not my place to do so. Maybe just take a step back and breath? We are all here for our love of Prince, right? Prince was all about love and being positive so let's try to make that our way of life here on the org.



bored2

 


There's enough crybabies already. fit. And this is no place for children. Have you been to the sexuality thread? lol you have to have a little thick skin. Every now and then someone goes to far, like if you insult Prince. That's where I draw the line. I will kick somebodys ass like via emoticon if you insult Prince fryingpan
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #247 posted 12/04/16 7:20am

purpleemotions

oliviacamron said:

purpleemotions said:

I just checked my TIDAL in hopes you were wrong but you weren't ugh cry

sad and even if they are downloaded for offline, some songs still won't play

Yes, I have 3121 downloaded but I still can't play beautiful,loved, and blessed. 18 & Over and Acknowledge me off Crystal Ball are also no playing.

:Pop Life live in Detroit: music
Reply #248 posted 12/04/16 8:00am

laurarichardson

purpleemotions said:

 



oliviacamron said:


purpleemotions said:

 


I just checked my TIDAL in hopes you were wrong but you weren't ugh cry



sad and even if they are downloaded for offline, some songs still won't play

Yes, I have 3121 downloaded but I still can't play beautiful,loved, and blessed. 18 & Over and Acknowledge me off Crystal Ball are also no playing. 


--The Roc-Nation hearing is on the 8th. Listen to this podcast below an attorney is on the podcast and gives some insight. http://podcastjuice.net/category/shows/the-prince-podcast/
Reply #249 posted 12/04/16 12:26pm

oliviacamron

purpleemotions said:

 



oliviacamron said:


purpleemotions said:

 


I just checked my TIDAL in hopes you were wrong but you weren't ugh cry



sad and even if they are downloaded for offline, some songs still won't play

Yes, I have 3121 downloaded but I still can't play beautiful,loved, and blessed. 18 & Over and Acknowledge me off Crystal Ball are also no playing. 


eek I gotta check my balls! That's one of my workout songs. I'm back , I see I read your post wrong. Balls still works. I don't know about acknowledge. I know Curious Child does not work off of ..... anyway, I wonder what's up with certain songs not working.
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I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #250 posted 12/06/16 7:57am

1Sasha

Just read the Bremer submission on Roc Nation. Came through on the feed from the court system. Will be interesting.

Reply #251 posted 12/06/16 10:25am

oliviacamron

1Sasha said:

Just read the Bremer submission on Roc Nation.  Came through on the feed from the court system.  Will be interesting.


I read the court documents.Jay Z is really trying to steal Prince's music ! Why don't Jay Z make his own music, oh wait I forgot, he don't know how. eye prince
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #252 posted 12/06/16 12:44pm

cloveringold85

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #253 posted 12/06/16 12:45pm

cloveringold85

oliviacamron said:

1Sasha said:

Just read the Bremer submission on Roc Nation. Came through on the feed from the court system. Will be interesting.

I read the court documents.Jay Z is really trying to steal Prince's music ! Why don't Jay Z make his own music, oh wait I forgot, he don't know how. eye prince

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lol & falloff

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #254 posted 12/06/16 3:12pm

PennyPurple

We all knew JayZ was a snake. In MAY the snake was trying to get Prince's musical assets...Thieves in the Temple for sure.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Roc Nation, the entertainment company founded by rap mogul Jay Z, tried but failed to get chosen to manage Prince's musical assets in the weeks after the rock superstar's death, according to court documents released Tuesday.

The documents stem from a dispute between Prince's record company and Jay Z's music streaming service Tidal, which is playing out in both state and federal court in Minnesota. The trust company overseeing Prince's estate says the dispute belongs only in federal court, where PRN Records is suing Roc Nation for copyright infringement for making a large part of Prince's catalog available to its subscribers. A closed hearing is set for Thursday in Carver County probate court.

After Prince Rogers Nelson died of an accidental painkiller overdose in April, the court appointed Bremer Trust to run his estate. The company then solicited requests for proposals for managing his music to generate cash. The documents show Roc Nation, founded in 2008 by Shawn "Jay Z" Carter, submitted a proposal in May. That proposal, marked "Proprietary and Confidential," pitched Roc Nation as an "artists first" endeavor that would protect his artistic vision. It noted that Prince had already given Tidal rights to stream some of his recent work.

http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...nces-music

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Reply #255 posted 12/06/16 4:06pm

cloveringold85

PennyPurple said:

We all knew JayZ was a snake. In MAY the snake was trying to get Prince's musical assets...Thieves in the Temple for sure.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Roc Nation, the entertainment company founded by rap mogul Jay Z, tried but failed to get chosen to manage Prince's musical assets in the weeks after the rock superstar's death, according to court documents released Tuesday.

The documents stem from a dispute between Prince's record company and Jay Z's music streaming service Tidal, which is playing out in both state and federal court in Minnesota. The trust company overseeing Prince's estate says the dispute belongs only in federal court, where PRN Records is suing Roc Nation for copyright infringement for making a large part of Prince's catalog available to its subscribers. A closed hearing is set for Thursday in Carver County probate court.

After Prince Rogers Nelson died of an accidental painkiller overdose in April, the court appointed Bremer Trust to run his estate. The company then solicited requests for proposals for managing his music to generate cash. The documents show Roc Nation, founded in 2008 by Shawn "Jay Z" Carter, submitted a proposal in May. That proposal, marked "Proprietary and Confidential," pitched Roc Nation as an "artists first" endeavor that would protect his artistic vision. It noted that Prince had already given Tidal rights to stream some of his recent work.

http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...nces-music

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This right here.......

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Bremer Trust acknowledged that an Aug. 1, 2015, agreement, which remains sealed, gave Tidal the right to stream a new Prince studio album, "Hit n Run Phase One." However, the trust company alleges in court filings, Tidal in June began streaming many Prince albums without permission.

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According to an October letter to the judge by Roc Nation attorney Rodney Mason, Prince and NPG "granted Roc Nation the exclusive rights to stream the Artist's vast and historic catalogue of master recordings and musical compositions exclusively on the TIDAL service.

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Roc Nation also has not responded to a request for an accounting of any payments.....it still owes the estate royalties.

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Moerke and Mason did not immediately respond to phone calls seeking comment Tuesday. Roc Nation has not formally responded to the copyright lawsuit, which NPG filed last month.

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I knew he was shady! I just feel bad that Prince trusted him! eek evil no no no!

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #256 posted 12/06/16 4:22pm

PennyPurple

cloveringold85 said:

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This right here.......

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Bremer Trust acknowledged that an Aug. 1, 2015, agreement, which remains sealed, gave Tidal the right to stream a new Prince studio album, "Hit n Run Phase One." However, the trust company alleges in court filings, Tidal in June began streaming many Prince albums without permission.

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According to an October letter to the judge by Roc Nation attorney Rodney Mason, Prince and NPG "granted Roc Nation the exclusive rights to stream the Artist's vast and historic catalogue of master recordings and musical compositions exclusively on the TIDAL service.

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Roc Nation also has not responded to a request for an accounting of any payments.....it still owes the estate royalties.

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Moerke and Mason did not immediately respond to phone calls seeking comment Tuesday. Roc Nation has not formally responded to the copyright lawsuit, which NPG filed last month.

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I knew he was shady! I just feel bad that Prince trusted him! eek evil no no no!

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Yep. And Jay Z started going after the music in May. mere weeks after our Prince passed. Greedy Bastard.

Reply #257 posted 12/06/16 4:41pm

cloveringold85

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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This right here.......

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Bremer Trust acknowledged that an Aug. 1, 2015, agreement, which remains sealed, gave Tidal the right to stream a new Prince studio album, "Hit n Run Phase One." However, the trust company alleges in court filings, Tidal in June began streaming many Prince albums without permission.

.

According to an October letter to the judge by Roc Nation attorney Rodney Mason, Prince and NPG "granted Roc Nation the exclusive rights to stream the Artist's vast and historic catalogue of master recordings and musical compositions exclusively on the TIDAL service.

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Roc Nation also has not responded to a request for an accounting of any payments.....it still owes the estate royalties.

.

Moerke and Mason did not immediately respond to phone calls seeking comment Tuesday. Roc Nation has not formally responded to the copyright lawsuit, which NPG filed last month.

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I knew he was shady! I just feel bad that Prince trusted him! eek evil no no no!

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[Edited 12/6/16 16:12pm]

Yep. And Jay Z started going after the music in May. mere weeks after our Prince passed. Greedy Bastard.

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Yea, we got Prince's vault safe and sound...........or so he thought! hmm

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Jubilant Judas! eek mad

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #258 posted 12/06/16 5:35pm

cloveringold85

Waiting for those accounting files from Tidal. eek

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #259 posted 12/06/16 9:01pm

bilbolives

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ESTATE_JAY_Z?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is also reporting on the Jay Z/Tidal controversy and upcoming litigation.

Reply #260 posted 12/07/16 5:43am

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

Waiting for those accounting files from Tidal.  eek


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-- The probate hearing is tommorow. I would suggest that everyone go to Tidal store and get what you don't have because if Jay-Z does not produce agreements and proof of payment some of the material on Tidal will be unavailable for a while.
Reply #261 posted 12/07/16 6:20am

Ingela

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

Waiting for those accounting files from Tidal.  eek


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-- The probate hearing is tommorow. I would suggest that everyone go to Tidal store and get what you don't have because if Jay-Z does not produce agreements and proof of payment some of the material on Tidal will be unavailable for a while.


The reason for all this is the opposite. It's about getting his music on all streaming services. And services that can actually be able to pay what is due.
Reply #262 posted 12/07/16 7:12am

laurarichardson

Ingela said:

laurarichardson said:


-- The probate hearing is tommorow. I would suggest that everyone go to Tidal store and get what you don't have because if Jay-Z does not produce agreements and proof of payment some of the material on Tidal will be unavailable for a while.


The reason for all this is the opposite. It's about getting his music on all streaming services. And services that can actually be able to pay what is due.

-- Do you think the NPG stuff, single songs and video content is going to be on other playforms? They only interested in the hits and we have 3 of those sets already. Do you think the estate will get any more money from the other services than they got out of Tidal? As Tidal will have to pay up what they owe to the estate. I know people hate Jay-z but do not be so gleeful to see Prince's music given away for pennies by greedy add Apple which is no better than Tidal.
Reply #263 posted 12/07/16 8:03am

Ingela

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:



The reason for all this is the opposite. It's about getting his music on all streaming services. And services that can actually be able to pay what is due.

-- Do you think the NPG stuff, single songs and video content is going to be on other playforms? They only interested in the hits and we have 3 of those sets already. Do you think the estate will get any more money from the other services than they got out of Tidal? As Tidal will have to pay up what they owe to the estate. I know people hate Jay-z but do not be so gleeful to see Prince's music given away for pennies by greedy add Apple which is no better than Tidal.


I think Universal Publishing will try and negotiate the best deals they can get. It helps that Prince is a legend and has a deep catalog. But the more they can get the better for both Universal and the estate.

In the future I so see growing backlash against streaming services. We just saw a report that vinyl sales are holding steady and generate much higher margins. I mean you can't go jogging or go to the gym with a turntable on your head, but it does show people are willing to pay more music if they see an added value in media.
Reply #264 posted 12/07/16 8:50am

laurarichardson

Ingela said:

laurarichardson said:
-- Do you think the NPG stuff, single songs and video content is going to be on other playforms? They only interested in the hits and we have 3 of those sets already. Do you think the estate will get any more money from the other services than they got out of Tidal? As Tidal will have to pay up what they owe to the estate. I know people hate Jay-z but do not be so gleeful to see Prince's music given away for pennies by greedy add Apple which is no better than Tidal.
I think Universal Publishing will try and negotiate the best deals they can get. It helps that Prince is a legend and has a deep catalog. But the more they can get the better for both Universal and the estate. In the future I so see growing backlash against streaming services. We just saw a report that vinyl sales are holding steady and generate much higher margins. I mean you can't go jogging or go to the gym with a turntable on your head, but it does show people are willing to pay more music if they see an added value in media.

I doubt Universal get much more than whatever they offered him. Remember Universal was administering his catalogue before and he let them go. Makes me think he was not happy with their services and he said in print that what Apple offered was a joke.

I also apoligize because I was not clear in my post. I would suggest people go to the Tidal store and buy what they don't have or cannot find on CD.

Reply #265 posted 12/07/16 9:37am

destinyc1

Anyone else confused? Laura help me out here..... So about a year ago prince allows tidal to stream ONLY certain music correct or not?Was there a contract signed?Because we fams know prince didn't do contracts?!!! wink Anyway we at least knew that was ok because prince was alive when it happened and his people found some sort of paperwork correct? And prince is also on record saying why he hooked up with jay z.Its who he wanted at the time not the guy londell wants now correct?I'm guessing this same guy was around then and prince didn't want to use him.Next thing is our prince passes and two weeks later jayz streams music that he had no right to stream?And didn't pay the estate for the ones he was allowed to stream or the ones he stole and streamed?Next from april -june did londell NOT know that jayz was streaming other music of prince's?Everyone in the world knew prince at the time wanted jayz .Did londell not want to deal with who prince wanted to deal with?I mean it seems that their trying to keep things in line the way prince wanted down to the foods he ate.Was prince just testing the waters with jayz?Bottomline if jay did this without permission his ass is toast and should pay beyond what he stole.So either he has the paperwork or his a..is grass and thats prob the comment L was making on his twitter when he said All wonder prince didn't deal with people'

Reply #266 posted 12/07/16 12:16pm

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:
The reason for all this is the opposite. It's about getting his music on all streaming services. And services that can actually be able to pay what is due.
-- Do you think the NPG stuff, single songs and video content is going to be on other playforms? They only interested in the hits and we have 3 of those sets already. Do you think the estate will get any more money from the other services than they got out of Tidal? As Tidal will have to pay up what they owe to the estate. I know people hate Jay-z but do not be so gleeful to see Prince's music given away for pennies by greedy add Apple which is no better than Tidal.

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I'm pretty sure Apple said they didn't want to purchase Tidal. They don't need the money anyhow, or the drama!

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #267 posted 12/07/16 12:18pm

cloveringold85

destinyc1 said:

Anyone else confused? Laura help me out here..... So about a year ago prince allows tidal to stream ONLY certain music correct or not?Was there a contract signed?Because we fams know prince didn't do contracts?!!! wink Anyway we at least knew that was ok because prince was alive when it happened and his people found some sort of paperwork correct? And prince is also on record saying why he hooked up with jay z.Its who he wanted at the time not the guy londell wants now correct?I'm guessing this same guy was around then and prince didn't want to use him.Next thing is our prince passes and two weeks later jayz streams music that he had no right to stream?And didn't pay the estate for the ones he was allowed to stream or the ones he stole and streamed?Next from april -june did londell NOT know that jayz was streaming other music of prince's?Everyone in the world knew prince at the time wanted jayz .Did londell not want to deal with who prince wanted to deal with?I mean it seems that their trying to keep things in line the way prince wanted down to the foods he ate.Was prince just testing the waters with jayz?Bottomline if jay did this without permission his ass is toast and should pay beyond what he stole.So either he has the paperwork or his a..is grass and thats prob the comment L was making on his twitter when he said All wonder prince didn't deal with people'

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You basically summed it all up. That's what they are disputing now and will be in court tomorrow.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #268 posted 12/07/16 12:42pm

mjscarousal

I responded to another thread but it was a dupe so I am copying and pasting my responce here toward this article but FUQ Jay Z seriously, he is only have money!

I see what TIDAL and Jay Z are trying to do but its not going to work. It doesn't matter what was DISCUSSED, if Prince did not sign an agreement that says in writing with his signature that Jay Z has the right to stream his music than he has no case. Just because Prince had a conversation with him doesn't mean that he intended for Jay Z to have full access to his music. It sounds to me that Jay Z feels entitled to stream Prince music/access to his music just because Prince confined in him, but Prince talked about music with all his colleagues and associates and that certaintly is no indicater that he wanted Jay Z to have rights to his music or to have full control over how it is streamed. If it aint in WRITING, he can go home with that b.s!

Reply #269 posted 12/07/16 12:44pm

mjscarousal

cloveringold85 said:

destinyc1 said:

Anyone else confused? Laura help me out here..... So about a year ago prince allows tidal to stream ONLY certain music correct or not?Was there a contract signed?Because we fams know prince didn't do contracts?!!! wink Anyway we at least knew that was ok because prince was alive when it happened and his people found some sort of paperwork correct? And prince is also on record saying why he hooked up with jay z.Its who he wanted at the time not the guy londell wants now correct?I'm guessing this same guy was around then and prince didn't want to use him.Next thing is our prince passes and two weeks later jayz streams music that he had no right to stream?And didn't pay the estate for the ones he was allowed to stream or the ones he stole and streamed?Next from april -june did londell NOT know that jayz was streaming other music of prince's?Everyone in the world knew prince at the time wanted jayz .Did londell not want to deal with who prince wanted to deal with?I mean it seems that their trying to keep things in line the way prince wanted down to the foods he ate.Was prince just testing the waters with jayz?Bottomline if jay did this without permission his ass is toast and should pay beyond what he stole.So either he has the paperwork or his a..is grass and thats prob the comment L was making on his twitter when he said All wonder prince didn't deal with people'

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You basically summed it all up. That's what they are disputing now and will be in court tomorrow.

BOTTOM LINE nod

Reply #270 posted 12/07/16 12:46pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

-- The probate hearing is tommorow. I would suggest that everyone go to Tidal store and get what you don't have because if Jay-Z does not produce agreements and proof of payment some of the material on Tidal will be unavailable for a while.

Based on the article, I honestly don't think Jay Z has any proof. I saw your past comments and I never got a chance to respond but I just saw them but I hope now this article answered your question. I believe Jay Z was streaming Prince music without his permission which is why he was not getting paid and this is also why some songs/albums are available while others are not.

[Edited 12/7/16 12:53pm]

Reply #271 posted 12/07/16 12:49pm

jaawwnn

mjscarousal said:

I responded to another thread but it was a dupe so I am copying and pasting my responce here toward this article but FUQ Jay Z seriously, he is only have money!

I see what TIDAL and Jay Z are trying to do but its not going to work. It doesn't matter what was DISCUSSED, if Prince did not sign an agreement that says in writing with his signature that Jay Z has the right to stream his music than he has no case. Just because Prince had a conversation with him doesn't mean that he intended for Jay Z to have full access to his music. It sounds to me that Jay Z feels entitled to stream Prince music/access to his music just because Prince confined in him, but Prince talked about music with all his colleagues and associates and that certaintly is no indicater that he wanted Jay Z to have rights to his music or to have full control over how it is streamed. If it aint in WRITING, he can go home with that b.s!

Prince did entire tours where there were no signed contracts. Those tours happened. I'm somewhat sympathetic to Tidal in this one, who knows what Jay Z and Prince talked about. Prince was working with them right up to the end.

I just hope whoever ends up with the tracks is someone who will respect the art neutral

[Edited 12/7/16 12:52pm]

Reply #272 posted 12/07/16 12:52pm

mjscarousal

jaawwnn said:

mjscarousal said:

I responded to another thread but it was a dupe so I am copying and pasting my responce here toward this article but FUQ Jay Z seriously, he is only have money!

I see what TIDAL and Jay Z are trying to do but its not going to work. It doesn't matter what was DISCUSSED, if Prince did not sign an agreement that says in writing with his signature that Jay Z has the right to stream his music than he has no case. Just because Prince had a conversation with him doesn't mean that he intended for Jay Z to have full access to his music. It sounds to me that Jay Z feels entitled to stream Prince music/access to his music just because Prince confined in him, but Prince talked about music with all his colleagues and associates and that certaintly is no indicater that he wanted Jay Z to have rights to his music or to have full control over how it is streamed. If it aint in WRITING, he can go home with that b.s!

Prince did entire tour's where there were no signed contracts. Those tours happened.

I'm somewhat sympathetic to Tidal in this one, who knows what Jay Z and Prince talked about. I just hope whoever ends up with the tracks is someone who will respect the art neutral

I understand that.....HOWEVER, no one who truly respects an artist would be trying to capitalizing off of the death of them by streaming their music without their permission and not paying their Estate. That is shady and taking complete advantage of someone.

Reply #273 posted 12/07/16 12:57pm

jaawwnn

mjscarousal said:

jaawwnn said:

Prince did entire tour's where there were no signed contracts. Those tours happened.

I'm somewhat sympathetic to Tidal in this one, who knows what Jay Z and Prince talked about. I just hope whoever ends up with the tracks is someone who will respect the art neutral

I understand that.....HOWEVER, no one who truly respects an artist would be trying to capitalizing off of the death of them by streaming their music without their permission and not paying their Estate. That is shady and taking complete advantage of someone.


They're just following Prince's long established tradition of not paying their bills until the last second, if anything this is a point in their favour, shows they've been paying attention lol

I don't care who wins this fight, they're all the music business and will cut each others throats for a profit, i just want them to get on with it so we can have a clear winner and get on with reissues and unreleased stuff coming out.




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Reply #274 posted 12/07/16 1:22pm

mjscarousal

jaawwnn said:

mjscarousal said:

I understand that.....HOWEVER, no one who truly respects an artist would be trying to capitalizing off of the death of them by streaming their music without their permission and not paying their Estate. That is shady and taking complete advantage of someone.


They're just following Prince's long established tradition of not paying their bills until the last second, if anything this is a point in their favour, shows they've been paying attention lol

I don't care who wins this fight, they're all the music business and will cut each others throats for a profit, i just want them to get on with it so we can have a clear winner and get on with reissues and unreleased stuff coming out.




[Edited 12/7/16 12:59pm]

Well.... so what razz This is different and Prince deseves better. Who ever is running his music should have HIS interest and not their own

Well IMO you should care who will be in control of Prince music and how his music legacy will be presented moving forward.

Reply #275 posted 12/07/16 1:39pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

I responded to another thread but it was a dupe so I am copying and pasting my responce here toward this article but FUQ Jay Z seriously, he is only have money!

I see what TIDAL and Jay Z are trying to do but its not going to work. It doesn't matter what was DISCUSSED, if Prince did not sign an agreement that says in writing with his signature that Jay Z has the right to stream his music than he has no case. Just because Prince had a conversation with him doesn't mean that he intended for Jay Z to have full access to his music. It sounds to me that Jay Z feels entitled to stream Prince music/access to his music just because Prince confined in him, but Prince talked about music with all his colleagues and associates and that certaintly is no indicater that he wanted Jay Z to have rights to his music or to have full control over how it is streamed. If it aint in WRITING, he can go home with that b.s!

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You said it!! nod

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If they don't have documents to support their claims, then the Judge will have the final say.

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Is JayZ above the law? smdh disbelief

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The fact that ROC/Tidal has not responded to the courts requests only makes them look bad, imo.

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I can see you are steamed-up about this as much as I am. mad

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If there is one thing that I can't stand is liars, and greedy vultures who think they deserve something that clearly is not THEIRS! mad

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #276 posted 12/07/16 1:41pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

jaawwnn said:

Prince did entire tour's where there were no signed contracts. Those tours happened.

I'm somewhat sympathetic to Tidal in this one, who knows what Jay Z and Prince talked about. I just hope whoever ends up with the tracks is someone who will respect the art neutral

I understand that.....HOWEVER, no one who truly respects an artist would be trying to capitalizing off of the death of them by streaming their music without their permission and not paying their Estate. That is shady and taking complete advantage of someone.

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nod^^

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #277 posted 12/07/16 1:51pm

laurarichardson

jaawwnn said:

 



mjscarousal said:


 



jaawwnn said:


 


Prince did entire tour's where there were no signed contracts. Those tours happened. 

I'm somewhat sympathetic to Tidal in this one, who knows what Jay Z and Prince talked about. I just hope whoever ends up with the tracks is someone who will respect the art  neutral



 


I understand that.....HOWEVER, no one who truly respects an artist would be trying to capitalizing off of the death of them by streaming their music without their permission and not paying their Estate. That is shady and taking complete advantage of someone.




They're just following Prince's long established tradition of not paying their bills until the last second, if anything this is a point in their favour, shows they've been paying attention lol

I don't care who wins this fight, they're all the music business and will cut each others throats for a profit, i just want them to get on with it so we can have a clear winner and get on with reissues and unreleased stuff coming out.





[Edited 12/7/16 12:59pm]


-- You are speaking of finacial problems Prince had over 20 years ago after WB cut the funds off. I don't recall any issues since and if you look in the court file he only has one finacial claim from unpaid invoice and right now it looks like the court may disallowe it. I am not sure why you don't care if his estate is being ripped off kind of seems like that attuitude is no different then Tidal/Jay-Z.
Reply #278 posted 12/07/16 2:05pm

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

 



laurarichardson said:


cloveringold85 said:

 


 



-- The probate hearing is tommorow. I would suggest that everyone go to Tidal store and get what you don't have because if Jay-Z does not produce agreements and proof of payment some of the material on Tidal will be unavailable for a while.

Based on the article, I honestly don't think Jay Z has any proof. I saw your past comments and I never got a chance to respond but I just saw them but I hope now this article answered your question. I believe Jay Z was streaming Prince music without his permission which is why he was not getting paid and this is also why some songs/albums are available while others are not.

[Edited 12/7/16 12:53pm]


-- How was streaming his music without permission when Prince was alive and well. Prince sent those live clips from the Piano and Mike show? Breamer is saying they only have permission for Phase 2. What about the single songs and videos? How did that material get up on Tidal? Tidal is saying they have an equity term agreement. Makes me think some portion of the agreement is in writing for an equity stake in Tidal and some portions are verbal. If Jay-z can show I gave Equity in Tidal for exchange for content an exchange has taken place therefore a contract is in place. No matter what Tidal will have to explain themselves with some show of an exhange taken place. We will see soon.
Reply #279 posted 12/07/16 2:54pm

cloveringold85

UPDATE:

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In the Estate thread, "ISaidLife" just announced that Bremer has resigned as administrator of Prince's estate??!! WTF is going on???!! Is this true? I can't find anything about it.

eek eek eek eek eek

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I have no words right now!! No words!!

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Something bad is going down. sad eek

.

[Edited 12/7/16 14:57pm]

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #280 posted 12/07/16 2:54pm

mjscarousal

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

I responded to another thread but it was a dupe so I am copying and pasting my responce here toward this article but FUQ Jay Z seriously, he is only have money!

I see what TIDAL and Jay Z are trying to do but its not going to work. It doesn't matter what was DISCUSSED, if Prince did not sign an agreement that says in writing with his signature that Jay Z has the right to stream his music than he has no case. Just because Prince had a conversation with him doesn't mean that he intended for Jay Z to have full access to his music. It sounds to me that Jay Z feels entitled to stream Prince music/access to his music just because Prince confined in him, but Prince talked about music with all his colleagues and associates and that certaintly is no indicater that he wanted Jay Z to have rights to his music or to have full control over how it is streamed. If it aint in WRITING, he can go home with that b.s!

.

You said it!! nod

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If they don't have documents to support their claims, then the Judge will have the final say.

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Is JayZ above the law? smdh disbelief

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The fact that ROC/Tidal has not responded to the courts requests only makes them look bad, imo.

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I can see you are steamed-up about this as much as I am. mad

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If there is one thing that I can't stand is liars, and greedy vultures who think they deserve something that clearly is not THEIRS! mad

Hell yea I care! I am tired of seeing my Black legends and icons screwed over it and Prince def deserves better than this mess!

Jay Z needs to sit his ass down some where, if it aint in writing, he has NO case!

Reply #281 posted 12/07/16 3:20pm

destinyc1

Reply #282 posted 12/07/16 4:17pm

cloveringold85

Thanks for the link!

.

So, it appears Tyka filed....

.

In a petition filed Tuesday in Carver County District Court, Prince’s sister Tyka Nelson asked for either Fiduciary Trust Company International or Comerica Bank & Trust N.A. to replace Bremer Trust, which has served as special administrator since shortly after Prince’s death.

.

I see they were only a "temporary" fix:

.

“As you know, Bremer Trust informed the Court months ago ... that Bremer Trust was not interested in continuing as Special Administrator after its current term expires,” the letter said. “That remains Bremer Trust’s position.”

.

Okay, well, this is interesting.


[Edited 12/7/16 16:20pm]

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #283 posted 12/07/16 4:21pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

cloveringold85 said:

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You said it!! nod

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If they don't have documents to support their claims, then the Judge will have the final say.

.

Is JayZ above the law? smdh disbelief

.

The fact that ROC/Tidal has not responded to the courts requests only makes them look bad, imo.

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I can see you are steamed-up about this as much as I am. mad

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If there is one thing that I can't stand is liars, and greedy vultures who think they deserve something that clearly is not THEIRS! mad

Hell yea I care! I am tired of seeing my Black legends and icons screwed over it and Prince def deserves better than this mess!

Jay Z needs to sit his ass down some where, if it aint in writing, he has NO case!

.

^^nod^^

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #284 posted 12/07/16 4:33pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

Based on the article, I honestly don't think Jay Z has any proof. I saw your past comments and I never got a chance to respond but I just saw them but I hope now this article answered your question. I believe Jay Z was streaming Prince music without his permission which is why he was not getting paid and this is also why some songs/albums are available while others are not.

[Edited 12/7/16 12:53pm]

-- How was streaming his music without permission when Prince was alive and well. Prince sent those live clips from the Piano and Mike show? Breamer is saying they only have permission for Phase 2. What about the single songs and videos? How did that material get up on Tidal? Tidal is saying they have an equity term agreement. Makes me think some portion of the agreement is in writing for an equity stake in Tidal and some portions are verbal. If Jay-z can show I gave Equity in Tidal for exchange for content an exchange has taken place therefore a contract is in place. No matter what Tidal will have to explain themselves with some show of an exhange taken place. We will see soon.

According to the article, songs were streamed soon after Prince died that TIDAL did not have a right to stream. From the article it sounds like the agreement was verbal and nothing was made in writing. He has to prove his case via writing or signature otherwise it is a "he said she said" scenario and that is not going to fly in court without concrete proof.

Reply #285 posted 12/07/16 4:41pm

BEAUGARDE

Can they remaster his music already, so I can purchase it & not worry about any streaming services
Reply #286 posted 12/07/16 6:02pm

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

 



laurarichardson said:


mjscarousal said:

 


Based on the article, I honestly don't think Jay Z has any proof. I saw your past comments and I never got a chance to respond but I just saw them but I hope now this article answered your question. I believe Jay Z was streaming Prince music without his permission which is why he was not getting paid and this is also why some songs/albums are available while others are not.


[Edited 12/7/16 12:53pm]



-- How was streaming his music without permission when Prince was alive and well. Prince sent those live clips from the Piano and Mike show? Breamer is saying they only have permission for Phase 2. What about the single songs and videos? How did that material get up on Tidal? Tidal is saying they have an equity term agreement. Makes me think some portion of the agreement is in writing for an equity stake in Tidal and some portions are verbal. If Jay-z can show I gave Equity in Tidal for exchange for content an exchange has taken place therefore a contract is in place. No matter what Tidal will have to explain themselves with some show of an exhange taken place. We will see soon.

According to the article, songs were streamed soon after Prince died that TIDAL did not have a right to stream. From the article it sounds like the agreement was verbal and nothing was made in writing. He has to prove his case via writing or signature otherwise it is a "he said she said" scenario and that is not going to fly in court without concrete proof.


-- You are reading an article not the claim that RocNation filed in court. They are saying they have a Equity Term Agreement and verbal agreement. All they need to do is bring the equity term agreement and the verbal can be a valid contract if you show an exchange was made. Keep in mind I am not pro Tidal I am just stating that they filed a claim so that must have something in order to get the merchandise. That may not have turned it over to Breamer because they may have felt it is proprietary information or they could be stalling it does not matter they have to bring documentation for their claim to be valid.
Reply #287 posted 12/07/16 6:04pm

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

Thanks for the link!


.


So, it appears Tyka filed....


.


In a petition filed Tuesday in Carver County District Court, Prince’s sister Tyka Nelson asked for either Fiduciary Trust Company International or Comerica Bank & Trust N.A. to replace Bremer Trust, which has served as special administrator since shortly after Prince’s death.


.


I see they were only a "temporary" fix:


.


“As you know, Bremer Trust informed the Court months ago ... that Bremer Trust was not interested in continuing as Special Administrator after its current term expires,” the letter said. “That remains Bremer Trust’s position.”


.


Okay, well, this is interesting.


 


 



[Edited 12/7/16 16:20pm]


- Okay Well Breamer does not want to do it anymore so that could be why Tidal did not turn over any docs. eek
Reply #288 posted 12/07/16 6:53pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

According to the article, songs were streamed soon after Prince died that TIDAL did not have a right to stream. From the article it sounds like the agreement was verbal and nothing was made in writing. He has to prove his case via writing or signature otherwise it is a "he said she said" scenario and that is not going to fly in court without concrete proof.

-- You are reading an article not the claim that RocNation filed in court. They are saying they have a Equity Term Agreement and verbal agreement. All they need to do is bring the equity term agreement and the verbal can be a valid contract if you show an exchange was made. Keep in mind I am not pro Tidal I am just stating that they filed a claim so that must have something in order to get the merchandise. That may not have turned it over to Breamer because they may have felt it is proprietary information or they could be stalling it does not matter they have to bring documentation for their claim to be valid.

This is what it all boils down too. That was the point I was making.

Reply #289 posted 12/07/16 11:16pm

jaawwnn

laurarichardson said:

jaawwnn said:


They're just following Prince's long established tradition of not paying their bills until the last second, if anything this is a point in their favour, shows they've been paying attention lol

I don't care who wins this fight, they're all the music business and will cut each others throats for a profit, i just want them to get on with it so we can have a clear winner and get on with reissues and unreleased stuff coming out.




[Edited 12/7/16 12:59pm]

-- You are speaking of finacial problems Prince had over 20 years ago after WB cut the funds off. I don't recall any issues since and if you look in the court file he only has one finacial claim from unpaid invoice and right now it looks like the court may disallowe it. I am not sure why you don't care if his estate is being ripped off kind of seems like that attuitude is no different then Tidal/Jay-Z.

No, I was talking about the many, many times things like this or this happened.

I was mostly joking though.

As for his estate, I care to the level it affects the music coming out. I'll judge it by what we're given, not by their returns on investments. I recognise there can be a correlation between them but it's not 1:1. Like I said, I hope they get it all sorted out soon but i'm not pushed on which businessman wins.

[Edited 12/7/16 23:19pm]

Reply #290 posted 12/08/16 2:10am

laurarichardson

jaawwnn said:

 



laurarichardson said:


jaawwnn said:

 



They're just following Prince's long established tradition of not paying their bills until the last second, if anything this is a point in their favour, shows they've been paying attention lol

I don't care who wins this fight, they're all the music business and will cut each others throats for a profit, i just want them to get on with it so we can have a clear winner and get on with reissues and unreleased stuff coming out.






[Edited 12/7/16 12:59pm]



-- You are speaking of finacial problems Prince had over 20 years ago after WB cut the funds off. I don't recall any issues since and if you look in the court file he only has one finacial claim from unpaid invoice and right now it looks like the court may disallowe it. I am not sure why you don't care if his estate is being ripped off kind of seems like that attuitude is no different then Tidal/Jay-Z.

No, I was talking about the many, many times things like this or this happened.

I was mostly joking though.

As for his estate, I care to the level it affects the music coming out. I'll judge it by what we're given, not by their returns on investments. I recognise there can be a correlation between them but it's not 1:1. Like I said, I hope they get it all sorted out soon but i'm not pushed on which businessman wins.

[Edited 12/7/16 23:19pm]


-- The fans getting the vault material to actually or listen is effected by the businessmen who will control the distrubution.
Reply #291 posted 12/08/16 11:21am

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

Thanks for the link!

.

So, it appears Tyka filed....

.

In a petition filed Tuesday in Carver County District Court, Prince’s sister Tyka Nelson asked for either Fiduciary Trust Company International or Comerica Bank & Trust N.A. to replace Bremer Trust, which has served as special administrator since shortly after Prince’s death.

.

I see they were only a "temporary" fix:

.

“As you know, Bremer Trust informed the Court months ago ... that Bremer Trust was not interested in continuing as Special Administrator after its current term expires,” the letter said. “That remains Bremer Trust’s position.”

.

Okay, well, this is interesting.

[Edited 12/7/16 16:20pm]

- Okay Well Breamer does not want to do it anymore so that could be why Tidal did not turn over any docs. eek

.

Yes, that seems like the most likely reason. nod

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #292 posted 12/08/16 12:40pm

jaawwnn

laurarichardson said:

jaawwnn said:

No, I was talking about the many, many times things like this or this happened.

I was mostly joking though.

As for his estate, I care to the level it affects the music coming out. I'll judge it by what we're given, not by their returns on investments. I recognise there can be a correlation between them but it's not 1:1. Like I said, I hope they get it all sorted out soon but i'm not pushed on which businessman wins.

[Edited 12/7/16 23:19pm]

-- The fans getting the vault material to actually or listen is effected by the businessmen who will control the distrubution.

I recognise there can be a correlation between them but it's not 1:1

Reply #293 posted 12/08/16 8:26pm

coldasice

Nobody complain when all the rare music isn't on other platforms.
Reply #294 posted 12/09/16 1:26am

laurarichardson

coldasice said:

Nobody complain when all the rare music isn't on other platforms.

--- Trust me people on this board will be complaining because other platforms are not going to be interesting in vault material.
Reply #295 posted 12/09/16 4:21am

Lovejunky

cloveringold85 said:

UPDATE:

.

In the Estate thread, "ISaidLife" just announced that Bremer has resigned as administrator of Prince's estate??!! WTF is going on???!! Is this true? I can't find anything about it.

eek eek eek eek eek

.

I have no words right now!! No words!!

.

Something bad is going down. sad eek

.

This troubles me too....

The People who handled him for years are bowing out ?

They must be very disgruntled about something/someone !!!!!!

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #296 posted 12/09/16 7:44am

Mumio

Lovejunky said:

This troubles me too....

The People who handled him for years are bowing out ?

They must be very disgruntled about something/someone !!!!!!



It's all in the court documents...they didn't want to stay beyond the original appointment. I don't consider it to be a bad thing, just that there's difficulty coming to agreement on the best course of action for the estate. That's to be expected imo, and again, not necessarily a bad thing to have another company go in at this point.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #297 posted 12/09/16 8:01am

Noodled24

mjscarousal said:

jaawwnn said:

Prince did entire tour's where there were no signed contracts. Those tours happened.

I'm somewhat sympathetic to Tidal in this one, who knows what Jay Z and Prince talked about. I just hope whoever ends up with the tracks is someone who will respect the art neutral

I understand that.....HOWEVER, no one who truly respects an artist would be trying to capitalizing off of the death of them by streaming their music without their permission and not paying their Estate. That is shady and taking complete advantage of someone.


Tidal HAD Prince's permission. He died and now the family are trying to undo what Prince did. FACT.

They're so quick to take things down without offering any alternative. THAT is what leads to piracy.

You also have no evidence Tidal wasn't paying the estate. If the estate is planning to have Prince's catalog streaming on other services, good luck to them. I'm sure they'll make literally hundreds of dollars.

Reply #298 posted 12/09/16 8:49am

laurarichardson

Noodled24 said:

 



mjscarousal said:


 



jaawwnn said:


 


Prince did entire tour's where there were no signed contracts. Those tours happened. 

I'm somewhat sympathetic to Tidal in this one, who knows what Jay Z and Prince talked about. I just hope whoever ends up with the tracks is someone who will respect the art  neutral



 


I understand that.....HOWEVER, no one who truly respects an artist would be trying to capitalizing off of the death of them by streaming their music without their permission and not paying their Estate. That is shady and taking complete advantage of someone.




Tidal HAD Prince's permission. He died and now the family are trying to undo what Prince did. FACT. 

They're so quick to take things down without offering any alternative. THAT is what leads to piracy.

You also have no evidence Tidal wasn't paying the estate. If the estate is planning to have Prince's catalog streaming on other services, good luck to them. I'm sure they'll make literally hundreds of dollars.  


--Very good points. We know that streaming services pay pennies and whoever manages the estate would be foolish to not go with a deal that pay better.
Reply #299 posted 12/09/16 11:26am

cloveringold85

Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

UPDATE:

.

In the Estate thread, "ISaidLife" just announced that Bremer has resigned as administrator of Prince's estate??!! WTF is going on???!! Is this true? I can't find anything about it.

eek eek eek eek eek

.

I have no words right now!! No words!!

.

Something bad is going down. sad eek

.

This troubles me too....

The People who handled him for years are bowing out ?

They must be very disgruntled about something/someone !!!!!!

.

Maybe they feel they are in over their head with this and/or they can't make any headway with Prince's siblings? eek

.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #300 posted 12/09/16 11:41am

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

Lovejunky said:

This troubles me too....

The People who handled him for years are bowing out ?

They must be very disgruntled about something/someone !!!!!!

.

Maybe they feel they are in over their head with this and/or they can't make any headway with Prince's siblings? eek

.

They are a bank and wealth managment firm not estate attorney's I belive that Tyka went to them because Prince banked with them and this is how the family was able to get a hold of banking accounts to pay bills and take care of things the first few months.

I do not think Breamer was ever going to stay around for long. The New Zealand crap tells me they are out of the area of expertise.

Reply #301 posted 12/09/16 11:54am

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Maybe they feel they are in over their head with this and/or they can't make any headway with Prince's siblings? eek

.

They are a bank and wealth managment firm not estate attorney's I belive that Tyka went to them because Prince banked with them and this is how the family was able to get a hold of banking accounts to pay bills and take care of things the first few months.

I do not think Breamer was ever going to stay around for long. The New Zealand crap tells me they are out of the area of expertise.

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Thanks for the info! biggrin

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #302 posted 12/09/16 12:55pm

mjscarousal

Um.... why do yall keep saying Prince was getting paid. Prince was NOT getting paid, there are documents that prove that, there is even a link even in this thread talking about it. I need to find it, I read it some where.

Reply #303 posted 12/09/16 12:57pm

mjscarousal

Noodled24 said:

mjscarousal said:

I understand that.....HOWEVER, no one who truly respects an artist would be trying to capitalizing off of the death of them by streaming their music without their permission and not paying their Estate. That is shady and taking complete advantage of someone.


Tidal HAD Prince's permission. He died and now the family are trying to undo what Prince did. FACT.

They're so quick to take things down without offering any alternative. THAT is what leads to piracy.

You also have no evidence Tidal wasn't paying the estate. If the estate is planning to have Prince's catalog streaming on other services, good luck to them. I'm sure they'll make literally hundreds of dollars.

NO, the family wants to preserve and protect Prince legacy and they have a RIGHT to do that. Its GOOD they are looking into TIDAL's activity in handling Prince music and there is NOTHING wrong with questioning the way it has been handled ESPECIALLY if TIDAL has been doing shady things. TIDAL has multiple lawsuits from other artists that they have not paid and TIDAL was streaming Prince songs that were not in the agreement for them to stream.

Reply #304 posted 12/09/16 1:41pm

oliviacamron

mjscarousal said:

 



Noodled24 said:


 



mjscarousal said:


 


 


I understand that.....HOWEVER, no one who truly respects an artist would be trying to capitalizing off of the death of them by streaming their music without their permission and not paying their Estate. That is shady and taking complete advantage of someone.




Tidal HAD Prince's permission. He died and now the family are trying to undo what Prince did. FACT. 

They're so quick to take things down without offering any alternative. THAT is what leads to piracy.

You also have no evidence Tidal wasn't paying the estate. If the estate is planning to have Prince's catalog streaming on other services, good luck to them. I'm sure they'll make literally hundreds of dollars.  



 


NO, the family wants to preserve and protect Prince legacy and they have a RIGHT to do that. Its GOOD they are looking into TIDAL's activity in handling Prince music and there is NOTHING wrong with questioning the way it has been handled ESPECIALLY if TIDAL has been doing shady things. TIDAL has multiple lawsuits from other artists that they have not paid and TIDAL was streaming Prince songs that were not in the agreement for them to stream.


thumbs up!
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #305 posted 12/09/16 2:00pm

Noodled24

mjscarousal said:

Noodled24 said:


Tidal HAD Prince's permission. He died and now the family are trying to undo what Prince did. FACT.

They're so quick to take things down without offering any alternative. THAT is what leads to piracy.

You also have no evidence Tidal wasn't paying the estate. If the estate is planning to have Prince's catalog streaming on other services, good luck to them. I'm sure they'll make literally hundreds of dollars.

NO, the family wants to preserve and protect Prince legacy and they have a RIGHT to do that. Its GOOD they are looking into TIDAL's activity in handling Prince music and there is NOTHING wrong with questioning the way it has been handled ESPECIALLY if TIDAL has been doing shady things. TIDAL has multiple lawsuits from other artists that they have not paid and TIDAL was streaming Prince songs that were not in the agreement for them to stream.


The family does have the right... but obviously undoing what Prince did, doesn't look good. It also means portions of his catalog are (once again) only available via piracy.

Reply #306 posted 12/09/16 2:22pm

Mumio

Noodled24 said:

mjscarousal said:

NO, the family wants to preserve and protect Prince legacy and they have a RIGHT to do that. Its GOOD they are looking into TIDAL's activity in handling Prince music and there is NOTHING wrong with questioning the way it has been handled ESPECIALLY if TIDAL has been doing shady things. TIDAL has multiple lawsuits from other artists that they have not paid and TIDAL was streaming Prince songs that were not in the agreement for them to stream.


The family does have the right... but obviously undoing what Prince did, doesn't look good. It also means portions of his catalog are (once again) only available via piracy.


Just a quick question: I thought I'd seen that the agreement with Tidal was for a 90 day period for specific music. Didn't Tidal stream for that time frame, but then went beyond what was included in the agreement with Prince (as far as we know) by streaming other music from his catalogue? I'm confused as to what the family "undid" that Prince wanted? I have not been following this thread closely so I hope someone can clarify for me?

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #307 posted 12/09/16 3:00pm

Lovejunky

Mumio said:

Noodled24 said:


The family does have the right... but obviously undoing what Prince did, doesn't look good. It also means portions of his catalog are (once again) only available via piracy.


Just a quick question: I thought I'd seen that the agreement with Tidal was for a 90 day period for specific music. Didn't Tidal stream for that time frame, but then went beyond what was included in the agreement with Prince (as far as we know) by streaming other music from his catalogue? I'm confused as to what the family "undid" that Prince wanted? I have not been following this thread closely so I hope someone can clarify for me?

As I understand it...The agreement was that Tidal could have it EXCLUSIVELY for 90 Days...After that Prince would have the option to move it to other additional platforms if he desired...

I could have it wrong...but this makes sense to me, since Prince liked to remain fluid and unbound by strict contractual agreements...He worked with his GUT instincts a lot and thus often changed direction frequently....

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #308 posted 12/09/16 3:34pm

Noodled24

Mumio said:

Noodled24 said:


The family does have the right... but obviously undoing what Prince did, doesn't look good. It also means portions of his catalog are (once again) only available via piracy.


Just a quick question: I thought I'd seen that the agreement with Tidal was for a 90 day period for specific music. Didn't Tidal stream for that time frame, but then went beyond what was included in the agreement with Prince (as far as we know) by streaming other music from his catalogue? I'm confused as to what the family "undid" that Prince wanted? I have not been following this thread closely so I hope someone can clarify for me?


Prince went out of his way to remove everything from everywhere, then he put it all on Tidal. He followed that up with exclusive content in the form of music, videos, and live streams.

Posthumously dragging Prince into another lawsuit regarding his music & the one company he openly supported is dumb. It looks terrible, and nobody wins.

I don't think there is any doubt that the estate will win against Tidal. Tidal have already started removing things. But you seem unaware of things like the "Rally for Peace", "Baltimore", "Oui Can Luv", "Stare" - Prince didn't put his catalog on there and walk away. He kept adding.

Reply #309 posted 12/09/16 4:16pm

Mumio

Noodled24 said:

Mumio said:


Just a quick question: I thought I'd seen that the agreement with Tidal was for a 90 day period for specific music. Didn't Tidal stream for that time frame, but then went beyond what was included in the agreement with Prince (as far as we know) by streaming other music from his catalogue? I'm confused as to what the family "undid" that Prince wanted? I have not been following this thread closely so I hope someone can clarify for me?


Prince went out of his way to remove everything from everywhere, then he put it all on Tidal. He followed that up with exclusive content in the form of music, videos, and live streams.

Posthumously dragging Prince into another lawsuit regarding his music & the one company he openly supported is dumb. It looks terrible, and nobody wins.

I don't think there is any doubt that the estate will win against Tidal. Tidal have already started removing things. But you seem unaware of things like the "Rally for Peace", "Baltimore", "Oui Can Luv", "Stare" - Prince didn't put his catalog on there and walk away. He kept adding.



Thank you. No, I have no idea really what he put on there. I don't use Tidal and have no trust nor love for JayZ so it's never gonna happen either. It seems that no one is really sure about what the "agreement" entailed, but I guess the family/estate thinks it's gone beyond that.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #310 posted 12/09/16 4:58pm

Mumio

Lovejunky said:

Mumio said:


Just a quick question: I thought I'd seen that the agreement with Tidal was for a 90 day period for specific music. Didn't Tidal stream for that time frame, but then went beyond what was included in the agreement with Prince (as far as we know) by streaming other music from his catalogue? I'm confused as to what the family "undid" that Prince wanted? I have not been following this thread closely so I hope someone can clarify for me?

As I understand it...The agreement was that Tidal could have it EXCLUSIVELY for 90 Days...After that Prince would have the option to move it to other additional platforms if he desired...

I could have it wrong...but this makes sense to me, since Prince liked to remain fluid and unbound by strict contractual agreements...He worked with his GUT instincts a lot and thus often changed direction frequently....


I'd thought something very much like what you said here too. smile

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #311 posted 12/09/16 5:09pm

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

Noodled24 said:


Tidal HAD Prince's permission. He died and now the family are trying to undo what Prince did. FACT.

They're so quick to take things down without offering any alternative. THAT is what leads to piracy.

You also have no evidence Tidal wasn't paying the estate. If the estate is planning to have Prince's catalog streaming on other services, good luck to them. I'm sure they'll make literally hundreds of dollars.

NO, the family wants to preserve and protect Prince legacy and they have a RIGHT to do that. Its GOOD they are looking into TIDAL's activity in handling Prince music and there is NOTHING wrong with questioning the way it has been handled ESPECIALLY if TIDAL has been doing shady things. TIDAL has multiple lawsuits from other artists that they have not paid and TIDAL was streaming Prince songs that were not in the agreement for them to stream.

1) The family is not in control as far at this lawsuit goes. Beamer is the administrator and they have a duty as ordered by the court to monitize the estate. Breamer cannot continue to do business with Tidal if money is due. At some point their will an accounting and all debts are going to be due to the estate. Tidal will have to pay up if they owe the estate as the estate is being watched by the court so no penny is going to go uncollected.

2) The family must agree on any financial deals that are put in place and may have wanted to stay with Tidal but cannot if money is owed. At this point I would imagine they should be upset that content has stayed on Tiday since June 7 with no action being taken. A zillinon e-mails should not have gone out a lawsuit should have been filed months ago.

3) The big question is how did Tidal get the files put up on June 7? Did Prince give them the files prior to his death and Tidal just put them up without paying? Did somone at NPG publishing authorize the files be put out after P's death and/or send the files? Where is the money? What account was it sent to? Does anyone really believe Prince would send files without payment? If verbal and or written agreements were made that only allow exclusivity for 90 days why does Breamer just go ahead and put material on other platforms while they file their suits against Tidal?

4) No one cares about other suits against Tidal. Tidal knows that the Prince estate is not some no name rapper or indie band. The estate is actually being managed and they would have known the massive copyright infringement lawsuit that would be coming if they did something shady. I cannot imagine any business risky federal charges and possible punitive damages.

I really think someone working for NPG publishing did something shady or Breamer is just to incompetent to manage the estate since they allowed this to go on for so long.

Reply #312 posted 12/09/16 6:11pm

PennyPurple

Noodled24 said:

mjscarousal said:

NO, the family wants to preserve and protect Prince legacy and they have a RIGHT to do that. Its GOOD they are looking into TIDAL's activity in handling Prince music and there is NOTHING wrong with questioning the way it has been handled ESPECIALLY if TIDAL has been doing shady things. TIDAL has multiple lawsuits from other artists that they have not paid and TIDAL was streaming Prince songs that were not in the agreement for them to stream.


The family does have the right... but obviously undoing what Prince did, doesn't look good. It also means portions of his catalog are (once again) only available via piracy.

No, this isn't on the family. It's on JayZ and Tidal. From what I've read, they haven't even paid Prince or the Estate for HitNRun2 and that is the only album he gave them. Tidal didn't have permission to stream everything else of Prince's. So they need to pay up. If Tidal is right, why haven't they produced any paperwork that the lawyers and such have asked for?

Reply #313 posted 12/09/16 6:36pm

Noodled24

PennyPurple said:

Noodled24 said:


The family does have the right... but obviously undoing what Prince did, doesn't look good. It also means portions of his catalog are (once again) only available via piracy.

No, this isn't on the family. It's on JayZ and Tidal. From what I've read, they haven't even paid Prince or the Estate for HitNRun2 and that is the only album he gave them. Tidal didn't have permission to stream everything else of Prince's. So they need to pay up. If Tidal is right, why haven't they produced any paperwork that the lawyers and such have asked for?


Be serious. Prince took cash up front. If the estate can't find it Prince probably spent it. This is the guy who rented a multi million dollar home, added a hair salon, then gave the NBA star owner an exta million to cover the cost of restoring the home to it's previous condition.

Prince did a lot on Tidal, including two live streams. Do a search for "Purple pick of the week".

Reply #314 posted 12/10/16 7:52am

PennyPurple

Noodled24 said:

PennyPurple said:

No, this isn't on the family. It's on JayZ and Tidal. From what I've read, they haven't even paid Prince or the Estate for HitNRun2 and that is the only album he gave them. Tidal didn't have permission to stream everything else of Prince's. So they need to pay up. If Tidal is right, why haven't they produced any paperwork that the lawyers and such have asked for?


Be serious. Prince took cash up front. If the estate can't find it Prince probably spent it. This is the guy who rented a multi million dollar home, added a hair salon, then gave the NBA star owner an exta million to cover the cost of restoring the home to it's previous condition.

Prince did a lot on Tidal, including two live streams. Do a search for "Purple pick of the week".

If he got paid cash upfront, where's Tidal's paperwork? They haven't produced any documentation as of yet.

Reply #315 posted 12/10/16 9:08am

Purplestar88

PennyPurple said:

Noodled24 said:


Be serious. Prince took cash up front. If the estate can't find it Prince probably spent it. This is the guy who rented a multi million dollar home, added a hair salon, then gave the NBA star owner an exta million to cover the cost of restoring the home to it's previous condition.

Prince did a lot on Tidal, including two live streams. Do a search for "Purple pick of the week".

If he got paid cash upfront, where's Tidal's paperwork? They haven't produced any documentation as of yet.

I don't know what to think. Maybe he gave them a break since Tidal was up and comming company.

Reply #316 posted 12/10/16 12:04pm

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

NO, the family wants to preserve and protect Prince legacy and they have a RIGHT to do that. Its GOOD they are looking into TIDAL's activity in handling Prince music and there is NOTHING wrong with questioning the way it has been handled ESPECIALLY if TIDAL has been doing shady things. TIDAL has multiple lawsuits from other artists that they have not paid and TIDAL was streaming Prince songs that were not in the agreement for them to stream.

1) The family is not in control as far at this lawsuit goes. Beamer is the administrator and they have a duty as ordered by the court to monitize the estate. Breamer cannot continue to do business with Tidal if money is due. At some point their will an accounting and all debts are going to be due to the estate. Tidal will have to pay up if they owe the estate as the estate is being watched by the court so no penny is going to go uncollected.

2) The family must agree on any financial deals that are put in place and may have wanted to stay with Tidal but cannot if money is owed. At this point I would imagine they should be upset that content has stayed on Tiday since June 7 with no action being taken. A zillinon e-mails should not have gone out a lawsuit should have been filed months ago.

3) The big question is how did Tidal get the files put up on June 7? Did Prince give them the files prior to his death and Tidal just put them up without paying? Did somone at NPG publishing authorize the files be put out after P's death and/or send the files? Where is the money? What account was it sent to? Does anyone really believe Prince would send files without payment? If verbal and or written agreements were made that only allow exclusivity for 90 days why does Breamer just go ahead and put material on other platforms while they file their suits against Tidal?

4) No one cares about other suits against Tidal. Tidal knows that the Prince estate is not some no name rapper or indie band. The estate is actually being managed and they would have known the massive copyright infringement lawsuit that would be coming if they did something shady. I cannot imagine any business risky federal charges and possible punitive damages.

I really think someone working for NPG publishing did something shady or Breamer is just to incompetent to manage the estate since they allowed this to go on for so long.

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Your point on #4 I am in total agreement with. I think either NPG did something shady, because there is no way that Prince would ever put music out there without getting paid. He was adamant about that! Or, Bremer screwed-up and they fell behind the 8 ball!! eek

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #317 posted 12/11/16 10:57am

destinyc1

Noodled24 said:

PennyPurple said:

No, this isn't on the family. It's on JayZ and Tidal. From what I've read, they haven't even paid Prince or the Estate for HitNRun2 and that is the only album he gave them. Tidal didn't have permission to stream everything else of Prince's. So they need to pay up. If Tidal is right, why haven't they produced any paperwork that the lawyers and such have asked for?


Be serious. Prince took cash up front. If the estate can't find it Prince probably spent it. This is the guy who rented a multi million dollar home, added a hair salon, then gave the NBA star owner an exta million to cover the cost of restoring the home to it's previous condition.

Prince did a lot on Tidal, including two live streams. Do a search for "Purple pick of the week".

Finally someone gets it razz LOL...

Reply #318 posted 12/11/16 12:34pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

NO, the family wants to preserve and protect Prince legacy and they have a RIGHT to do that. Its GOOD they are looking into TIDAL's activity in handling Prince music and there is NOTHING wrong with questioning the way it has been handled ESPECIALLY if TIDAL has been doing shady things. TIDAL has multiple lawsuits from other artists that they have not paid and TIDAL was streaming Prince songs that were not in the agreement for them to stream.

1) The family is not in control as far at this lawsuit goes. Beamer is the administrator and they have a duty as ordered by the court to monitize the estate. Breamer cannot continue to do business with Tidal if money is due. At some point their will an accounting and all debts are going to be due to the estate. Tidal will have to pay up if they owe the estate as the estate is being watched by the court so no penny is going to go uncollected.

2) The family must agree on any financial deals that are put in place and may have wanted to stay with Tidal but cannot if money is owed. At this point I would imagine they should be upset that content has stayed on Tiday since June 7 with no action being taken. A zillinon e-mails should not have gone out a lawsuit should have been filed months ago.

3) The big question is how did Tidal get the files put up on June 7? Did Prince give them the files prior to his death and Tidal just put them up without paying? Did somone at NPG publishing authorize the files be put out after P's death and/or send the files? Where is the money? What account was it sent to? Does anyone really believe Prince would send files without payment? If verbal and or written agreements were made that only allow exclusivity for 90 days why does Breamer just go ahead and put material on other platforms while they file their suits against Tidal?

4) No one cares about other suits against Tidal. Tidal knows that the Prince estate is not some no name rapper or indie band. The estate is actually being managed and they would have known the massive copyright infringement lawsuit that would be coming if they did something shady. I cannot imagine any business risky federal charges and possible punitive damages.

I really think someone working for NPG publishing did something shady or Breamer is just to incompetent to manage the estate since they allowed this to go on for so long.

1) Thanks for info

2) Or maybe the family does not want to stay with TIDAL, we don't know that.

3) I believe TIDAL had access to the files and probably was only authorize to put them up only when Prince gave the OK to do so but TIDAL took advantage of Prince death and placed them up on TIDAL without the permission of the Estate. Why does it seem far fetch that Prince would give them access to his files, if he feels he can trust Jay Z and TIDAL? Prince was betrayed.

4) I care about other lawsuits because it supports the point that TIDAL are shady and cannot be trusted if they have screwed over other artists as well.

Reply #319 posted 12/11/16 1:02pm

mjscarousal

Noodled24 said:

mjscarousal said:

NO, the family wants to preserve and protect Prince legacy and they have a RIGHT to do that. Its GOOD they are looking into TIDAL's activity in handling Prince music and there is NOTHING wrong with questioning the way it has been handled ESPECIALLY if TIDAL has been doing shady things. TIDAL has multiple lawsuits from other artists that they have not paid and TIDAL was streaming Prince songs that were not in the agreement for them to stream.


The family does have the right... but obviously undoing what Prince did, doesn't look good. It also means portions of his catalog are (once again) only available via piracy.

They are not "undoing" anything. Prince was not paid by TIDAL and if the family has other reasons to believe that TIDAL is not operating in the best interest of Prince, why should they continue to collaborate with them?

Reply #320 posted 12/11/16 1:21pm

Noodled24

mjscarousal said:

1) Thanks for info

2) Or maybe the family does not want to stay with TIDAL, we don't know that.

3) I believe TIDAL had access to the files and probably was only authorize to put them up only when Prince gave the OK to do so but TIDAL took advantage of Prince death and placed them up on TIDAL without the permission of the Estate. Why does it seem far fetch that Prince would give them access to his files, if he feels he can trust Jay Z and TIDAL? Prince was betrayed.

4) I care about other lawsuits because it supports the point that TIDAL are shady and cannot be trusted if they have screwed over other artists as well.


Because Prince didn't like leaks.

That's why it seems far fetched that Prince would give Tidal things to sit on... When he could have his assistant e-mail songs he wanted out.


Reply #321 posted 12/11/16 1:25pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

Noodled24 said:


The family does have the right... but obviously undoing what Prince did, doesn't look good. It also means portions of his catalog are (once again) only available via piracy.

They are not "undoing" anything. Prince was not paid by TIDAL and if the family has other reasons to believe that TIDAL is not operating in the best interest of Prince, why should they continue to collaborate with them?

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^^nod^^

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #322 posted 12/11/16 3:37pm

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

 



Noodled24 said:


 



mjscarousal said:


 


 


NO, the family wants to preserve and protect Prince legacy and they have a RIGHT to do that. Its GOOD they are looking into TIDAL's activity in handling Prince music and there is NOTHING wrong with questioning the way it has been handled ESPECIALLY if TIDAL has been doing shady things. TIDAL has multiple lawsuits from other artists that they have not paid and TIDAL was streaming Prince songs that were not in the agreement for them to stream.




The family does have the right... but obviously undoing what Prince did, doesn't look good. It also means portions of his catalog are (once again) only available via piracy.



 


They are not "undoing" anything. Prince was not paid by TIDAL and if the family has other reasons to believe that TIDAL is not operating in the best interest of Prince, why should they continue to collaborate with them?


-You really believe he gave them files without getting money up front? This was one of his sticking points with the industry. I also wonder about putting that stuff on his birthday.
[Edited 12/11/16 16:00pm]
Reply #323 posted 12/11/16 3:53pm

jtfolden

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

They are not "undoing" anything. Prince was not paid by TIDAL and if the family has other reasons to believe that TIDAL is not operating in the best interest of Prince, why should they continue to collaborate with them?

-You really believe he gave them files without getting money of front?

...then why does Tidal seem unable to come up with proof of payment or any tangible contract?

Reply #324 posted 12/11/16 8:45pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

There is no dispute there was a 90 day contract between P and Tidal (Roc Nation) for HitNRun.

Obviously, P and JayZ talked after that date because we know other P music was added after 90 days.

Roc Nation in their filings with the Estate talk about "course of dealing" between P and Roc Nation.

I am assuming the course of dealing was verbal agreements between P and JayZ because the Estate issued a subpeona to Roc Nation for documentation and they did not respond.

I think the Estate is saying 'too bad, so sad" you didnt have a written contract after 90 days, and for you to release his catalogue on P's birthday is copyright infringement.

Reply #325 posted 12/12/16 4:14am

laurarichardson

jtfolden said:

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said: -You really believe he gave them files without getting money of front?

...then why does Tidal seem unable to come up with proof of payment or any tangible contract?

1. Because Tidal now knows they will not even be dealing with Breamer in a few weeks.

2. Maybe they paid the money and Breamer just cannot find it.

3. Maybe it was a cash transaction.Which Tidal would definitly not want to make know voluntarity.

4. One of the things that Prince wanted was upfront money. I doubt he would make a deal to get 750k upfront and not get it before sending the files. Also if there is no contract how does Breamer even know about the 90 days and the amount of money that is due?

Something wack is going on with the deal as if Bremer had a case for copyright infringement why is most of the music still on the site. Ninety days has passed for all of the remaining music. Why can't Bremaer get it all off. The have know issued a subpoena and a court order. The hearing for Roc Nation's claim was on the 8th. Material is still up on the Tidal site.

Reply #326 posted 12/12/16 5:24pm

mjscarousal

lol You really want TIDAL to happen!

Reply #327 posted 12/12/16 5:27pm

mjscarousal

jtfolden said:

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said: -You really believe he gave them files without getting money of front?

...then why does Tidal seem unable to come up with proof of payment or any tangible contract?

THIS.

Reply #328 posted 12/12/16 5:29pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

They are not "undoing" anything. Prince was not paid by TIDAL and if the family has other reasons to believe that TIDAL is not operating in the best interest of Prince, why should they continue to collaborate with them?

-You really believe he gave them files without getting money up front? This was one of his sticking points with the industry. I also wonder about putting that stuff on his birthday. [Edited 12/11/16 16:00pm]

Why not? Especially if Prince feels he can trust Jay Z and TIDAL. I think you giving TIDAL to much benefit of the doubt.

Reply #329 posted 12/12/16 5:50pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said: -You really believe he gave them files without getting money up front? This was one of his sticking points with the industry. I also wonder about putting that stuff on his birthday. [Edited 12/11/16 16:00pm]

Why not? Especially if Prince feels he can trust Jay Z and TIDAL. I think you giving TIDAL to much benefit of the doubt.

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I agree; maybe Prince did not get the money up-front, although that would be silly, but it's quite possible that he trusted JayZ. We just don't know!

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #330 posted 12/12/16 6:38pm

mjscarousal

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

Why not? Especially if Prince feels he can trust Jay Z and TIDAL. I think you giving TIDAL to much benefit of the doubt.

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I agree; maybe Prince did not get the money up-front, although that would be silly, but it's quite possible that he trusted JayZ. We just don't know!

I personally think he trusted Jay Z. The article says that Prince confined in Jay Z and talked with him about music. If he felt he could trust Jay Z, it doesn't seem far fetch that he would not demand money up front. I am going with this scenario because the fact that TIDAL can not come up with a tangible contract suggests that this was probably the case.

Reply #331 posted 12/12/16 7:09pm

Noodled24

mjscarousal said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree; maybe Prince did not get the money up-front, although that would be silly, but it's quite possible that he trusted JayZ. We just don't know!

I personally think he trusted Jay Z. The article says that Prince confined in Jay Z and talked with him about music. If he felt he could trust Jay Z, it doesn't seem far fetch that he would not demand money up front. I am going with this scenario because the fact that TIDAL can not come up with a tangible contract suggests that this was probably the case.


Yes it does. It's SO far fetched it would be the first time in over a decade Prince didn't get paid.

Prince didn't like contracts. He states this in almost every interview he's done since 1998. It's infinitely more feasible that Prince got $750,000 in a briefcase.

The fact he kept adding things to Tidal. Did live streams and premiered songs on there, suggests he got his money.

Reply #332 posted 12/12/16 7:16pm

mjscarousal

Noodled24 said:

mjscarousal said:

I personally think he trusted Jay Z. The article says that Prince confined in Jay Z and talked with him about music. If he felt he could trust Jay Z, it doesn't seem far fetch that he would not demand money up front. I am going with this scenario because the fact that TIDAL can not come up with a tangible contract suggests that this was probably the case.


Yes it does. It's SO far fetched it would be the first time in over a decade Prince didn't get paid.

Prince didn't like contracts. He states this in almost every interview he's done since 1998. It's infinitely more feasible that Prince got $750,000 in a briefcase.

The fact he kept adding things to Tidal. Did live streams and premiered songs on there, suggests he got his money.

Not necessesarily..... WHY are you so sure of this????

You really think Jay Z gave him $750, 000 in a brief case?????

lol

Reply #333 posted 12/13/16 4:45am

Noodled24

mjscarousal said:

Noodled24 said:


Yes it does. It's SO far fetched it would be the first time in over a decade Prince didn't get paid.

Prince didn't like contracts. He states this in almost every interview he's done since 1998. It's infinitely more feasible that Prince got $750,000 in a briefcase.

The fact he kept adding things to Tidal. Did live streams and premiered songs on there, suggests he got his money.

Not necessesarily..... WHY are you so sure of this????


Because Prince commited career suicide in order to get his money.

You really think Jay Z gave him $750, 000 in a brief case?????


Wouldn't be the first time Prince demanded cash in a bag.

Reply #334 posted 12/13/16 5:06am

laurarichardson

No it would not be. He got paid for the Mill city show cash upfront in a brief case. The organizers of the show had no money to pay other performers and Prince was one of the few to get paid.

Scotty the engineer on the Dr. Funk podcast said for an after show he got an envelope from Prince that had $6,000.00 dollars in it. What career suicide are you speaking about. Do you realize that no artist get money up front from streaming companies only the record lables not the artist?

Noodled24 said:

mjscarousal said:


Because Prince commited career suicide in order to get his money.

You really think Jay Z gave him $750, 000 in a brief case?????


Wouldn't be the first time Prince demanded cash in a bag

Reply #335 posted 12/13/16 5:13am

laurarichardson

Noodled24 said:

mjscarousal said:

I personally think he trusted Jay Z. The article says that Prince confined in Jay Z and talked with him about music. If he felt he could trust Jay Z, it doesn't seem far fetch that he would not demand money up front. I am going with this scenario because the fact that TIDAL can not come up with a tangible contract suggests that this was probably the case.


Yes it does. It's SO far fetched it would be the first time in over a decade Prince didn't get paid.

Prince didn't like contracts. He states this in almost every interview he's done since 1998. It's infinitely more feasible that Prince got $750,000 in a briefcase.

The fact he kept adding things to Tidal. Did live streams and premiered songs on there, suggests he got his money.

"The fact he kept adding things to Tidal. Did live streams and premiered songs on there, suggests he got his money."

Exactly, also no one give out copyrighted material without getting their money. One of the reasons he did not want stuff on YOUTUBE was because he was not getting paid anything. Why would he turn around and give stuff to Tidal without payment? All this dude did is scream pay, me pay, and pay me.

Reply #336 posted 12/13/16 9:54am

1Sasha

Have you ever tried to take $10K out of a bank in cash? At 10, it gets reported to the IRS, so getting $750K in cash would raise every flag available, unless the money came from an entity, like a casino, which has tens of millions or so in cash on site. IMO I think Prince selected Jay-Z because he was an African-American entrepreneur. Yes, he wanted his money, but they could have had a handshake deal. In public, Prince more deliberately chose members of the AA community to support, with words and money, over the last years of his life. I don't think this arrangement was out of line at all.

Reply #337 posted 12/13/16 10:20am

laurarichardson

1Sasha said:

Have you ever tried to take $10K out of a bank in cash? At 10, it gets reported to the IRS, so getting $750K in cash would raise every flag available, unless the money came from an entity, like a casino, which has tens of millions or so in cash on site. IMO I think Prince selected Jay-Z because he was an African-American entrepreneur. Yes, he wanted his money, but they could have had a handshake deal. In public, Prince more deliberately chose members of the AA community to support, with words and money, over the last years of his life. I don't think this arrangement was out of line at all.

What makes you think everybody keeps their money in banks? Or even keeps their money in the US.

Have you ever heard of Swiss banks, Cayman Islands, Real Estate transactions, people paying off the books.

Did you not read what I wrote about the Mill City Festival or David Baldwin getting paid 6k in cash from the after party?

I am not going to go into Jay Z and his past as a drug dealer. People with money do things differently then the rest of us. I also believe Prince may have had equity in Tidal so the songs could have been sent in lieu of equity in the company. Informaition that Tidal may feel is confindental. They will have to pony up something when the Federal case starts and will still don't know what happened with their claim on the 8th.

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Reply #338 posted 12/13/16 10:37am

1Sasha

Laura, I know that money can be kept in various ways. Every month when I pay my taxes I have to declare that the payment is or is not coming from an outside-the-US source. There was the case a couple of years back when a search found about three million dollars cash in what I assume was a few of Prince's accounts, since he would hopefully have had better financial advice and have more cash somewhere else. I am old school - why create more problems for yourself than you need. Even this aspect is a mess.

Reply #339 posted 12/13/16 12:11pm

laurarichardson

1Sasha said:

Laura, I know that money can be kept in various ways.  Every month when I pay my taxes I have to declare that the payment is or is not coming from an outside-the-US source.  There was the case a couple of years back when a search found about three million dollars cash in what I assume was a few of Prince's accounts, since he would hopefully have had better financial advice and have more cash somewhere else. I am old school - why create more problems for yourself than you need.  Even this aspect is a mess.


-- Did you read the Panama papers. I not saying it is right to do stuff like this because it is not but people do it. I would hope he just had equity in Tidal and was not doing anything slick. I do remember years ago someone who worked him saying he had to be snuck out Italy because he got hit with some taxes over there and that he fought the tax assessments on his properties in Channahassen and came to town meetings to complain about taxes.
Reply #340 posted 12/13/16 12:51pm

1Sasha

Laura, that's a troubling part of his life for me. He would go out on tour to make money to pay the bills. He almost lost one property to foreclosure. He had problems with taxes in Minnesota and Europe. People at his level pay accountants and lawyers to handle these matters on a daily basis. I know he hated authority, and he did it his way, but, damn, sometimes you have to sign the contract or put it in writing. I wish he had listened to people. I know he thought he was shafted repeatedly but if you sign a $100 million contract (which actually wasn't for that, apparently), you need professional assistance along the way.

Reply #341 posted 12/13/16 12:58pm

laurarichardson

1Sasha said:

Laura, that's a troubling part of his life for me.  He would go out on tour to make money to pay the bills.  He almost lost one property to foreclosure.  He had problems with taxes in Minnesota and Europe.  People at his level pay accountants and lawyers to handle these matters on a daily basis.  I know he hated authority, and he did it his way, but, damn, sometimes you have to sign the contract or put it in writing.  I wish he had listened to people.  I know he thought he was shafted repeatedly but if you sign a $100 million contract (which actually wasn't for that, apparently), you need professional assistance along the way.


--He had professional assistance because there was an article with different lawyers who worked for him over the years they had all had good things to say about him and he did okay for someone with no recording contract for years and handshake deals. I think he made the money he wanted to make to do things he wanted to do. I just think he did not like paying taxes and was anti authority. In short he had a little republican in him lol but he was from the mid-west.
Reply #342 posted 12/13/16 2:22pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree; maybe Prince did not get the money up-front, although that would be silly, but it's quite possible that he trusted JayZ. We just don't know!

I personally think he trusted Jay Z. The article says that Prince confined in Jay Z and talked with him about music. If he felt he could trust Jay Z, it doesn't seem far fetch that he would not demand money up front. I am going with this scenario because the fact that TIDAL can not come up with a tangible contract suggests that this was probably the case.

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It's possible, but risky to not have a contract/paper trail when doing business transactions. I mean, I would not buy a car or a house without proper documentation. Maybe Prince did get the cash up-front? This whole things is about as bizarre as can be, that's for sure!! eek

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #343 posted 12/13/16 2:24pm

cloveringold85

Noodled24 said:

mjscarousal said:

I personally think he trusted Jay Z. The article says that Prince confined in Jay Z and talked with him about music. If he felt he could trust Jay Z, it doesn't seem far fetch that he would not demand money up front. I am going with this scenario because the fact that TIDAL can not come up with a tangible contract suggests that this was probably the case.


Yes it does. It's SO far fetched it would be the first time in over a decade Prince didn't get paid.

Prince didn't like contracts. He states this in almost every interview he's done since 1998. It's infinitely more feasible that Prince got $750,000 in a briefcase.

The fact he kept adding things to Tidal. Did live streams and premiered songs on there, suggests he got his money.

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It's possible Prince got the cash up-front, but it's shady, imo. eek

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I mean, without a contract, there is no proof of anything. I could easily say, yea, JayZ owes me 20M, but hey, I don't have a contract, so where does that leave me? Nowhere. eek

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It's like pissing in the wind, LMAO!! lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #344 posted 12/13/16 2:27pm

cloveringold85

Bitch betta have my money. Pay me whatcha owe me, LMAO!! lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #345 posted 12/13/16 2:27pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

Noodled24 said:


Yes it does. It's SO far fetched it would be the first time in over a decade Prince didn't get paid.

Prince didn't like contracts. He states this in almost every interview he's done since 1998. It's infinitely more feasible that Prince got $750,000 in a briefcase.

The fact he kept adding things to Tidal. Did live streams and premiered songs on there, suggests he got his money.

Not necessesarily..... WHY are you so sure of this????

You really think Jay Z gave him $750, 000 in a brief case?????

lol

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MJS: Okay, I'm getting confused now. You said you believe that Prince got the money up-front, correct? confused

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #346 posted 12/13/16 2:30pm

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said:


Yes it does. It's SO far fetched it would be the first time in over a decade Prince didn't get paid.

Prince didn't like contracts. He states this in almost every interview he's done since 1998. It's infinitely more feasible that Prince got $750,000 in a briefcase.

The fact he kept adding things to Tidal. Did live streams and premiered songs on there, suggests he got his money.

"The fact he kept adding things to Tidal. Did live streams and premiered songs on there, suggests he got his money."

Exactly, also no one give out copyrighted material without getting their money. One of the reasons he did not want stuff on YOUTUBE was because he was not getting paid anything. Why would he turn around and give stuff to Tidal without payment? All this dude did is scream pay, me pay, and pay me.

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Yes, exactly! Prince was adamant about getting paid for his work! That's why this deal with Tidal seems so bizarre -- no paper trail? Where's the accounting?

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #347 posted 12/13/16 2:33pm

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

Have you ever tried to take $10K out of a bank in cash? At 10, it gets reported to the IRS, so getting $750K in cash would raise every flag available, unless the money came from an entity, like a casino, which has tens of millions or so in cash on site. IMO I think Prince selected Jay-Z because he was an African-American entrepreneur. Yes, he wanted his money, but they could have had a handshake deal. In public, Prince more deliberately chose members of the AA community to support, with words and money, over the last years of his life. I don't think this arrangement was out of line at all.

What makes you think everybody keeps their money in banks? Or even keeps their money in the US.

Have you ever heard of Swiss banks, Cayman Islands, Real Estate transactions, people paying off the books.

Did you not read what I wrote about the Mill City Festival or David Baldwin getting paid 6k in cash from the after party?

I am not going to go into Jay Z and his past as a drug dealer. People with money do things differently then the rest of us. I also believe Prince may have had equity in Tidal so the songs could have been sent in lieu of equity in the company. Informaition that Tidal may feel is confindental. They will have to pony up something when the Federal case starts and will still don't know what happened with their claim on the 8th.

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[Edited 12/13/16 10:27am]

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Good points, Laura. We know that Prince frequented Switzerland and the Cayman Islands. I know people who live in the states but keep their money in the Caribbean. Wealthy people *ultra rich* don't keep their money in U.S. banks!

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #348 posted 12/13/16 2:36pm

cloveringold85

1Sasha said:

Laura, that's a troubling part of his life for me. He would go out on tour to make money to pay the bills. He almost lost one property to foreclosure. He had problems with taxes in Minnesota and Europe. People at his level pay accountants and lawyers to handle these matters on a daily basis. I know he hated authority, and he did it his way, but, damn, sometimes you have to sign the contract or put it in writing. I wish he had listened to people. I know he thought he was shafted repeatedly but if you sign a $100 million contract (which actually wasn't for that, apparently), you need professional assistance along the way.

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I agree. While Prince was an intelligent man, he didn't always make the best business decisions, imo.

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Thing is, when things start getting messy and you can't manage your money properly, you have to PAY people to manage it for you, then add on legal fees, consultants, and etc., and you are out more money!

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Personally, I never had the desire to be rich. The more money you have, the more problems it brings.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #349 posted 12/13/16 2:41pm

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

 



mjscarousal said:


 



cloveringold85 said:


 


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I agree; maybe Prince did not get the money up-front, although that would be silly, but it's quite possible that he trusted JayZ.  We just don't  know!


 



 


I personally think he trusted Jay Z. The article says that Prince confined in Jay Z and talked with him about music. If he felt he could trust Jay Z, it doesn't seem far fetch that he would not demand money up front. I am going with this scenario because the fact that TIDAL can not come up with a tangible contract suggests that this was probably the case.



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It's possible, but risky to not have a contract/paper trail when doing business transactions.  I mean, I would not buy a car or a house without proper documentation.  Maybe Prince did get the cash up-front?  This whole things is about as bizarre as can be, that's for sure!!   eek


 


 


-The Musicolgy tour was done without a contract.
Reply #350 posted 12/13/16 2:50pm

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It's possible, but risky to not have a contract/paper trail when doing business transactions. I mean, I would not buy a car or a house without proper documentation. Maybe Prince did get the cash up-front? This whole things is about as bizarre as can be, that's for sure!! eek

-The Musicolgy tour was done without a contract.

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eek

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #351 posted 12/13/16 3:06pm

Lovejunky

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: -The Musicolgy tour was done without a contract.

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eek

Theres an interview somewhere with Prince and Larry Graham, Larry says they never work with a Contract....Prince says something about preferring to work with People who Hold to their Words...

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #352 posted 12/13/16 3:11pm

cloveringold85

Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

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eek

Theres an interview somewhere with Prince and Larry Graham, Larry says they never work with a Contract....Prince says something about preferring to work with People who Hold to their Words...

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Well, he sure didn't like contracts. reading deal shake

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LOL lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #353 posted 12/13/16 3:13pm

1Sasha

And look where no paperwork got him ...

Reply #354 posted 12/13/16 4:02pm

Noodled24

cloveringold85 said:

Noodled24 said:


Yes it does. It's SO far fetched it would be the first time in over a decade Prince didn't get paid.

Prince didn't like contracts. He states this in almost every interview he's done since 1998. It's infinitely more feasible that Prince got $750,000 in a briefcase.

The fact he kept adding things to Tidal. Did live streams and premiered songs on there, suggests he got his money.

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It's possible Prince got the cash up-front, but it's shady, imo. eek


Well, for the record. I'm not saying Prince actually got a bag of cash. However I think that's more likely than him not getting paid at all.

I mean, without a contract, there is no proof of anything. I could easily say, yea, JayZ owes me 20M, but hey, I don't have a contract, so where does that leave me? Nowhere. eek


There is proof Prince never raised any issues with Tidal when he was alive. He wasn't shy about speaking out when he felt wronged.

Reply #355 posted 12/13/16 4:07pm

mjscarousal

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

Not necessesarily..... WHY are you so sure of this????

You really think Jay Z gave him $750, 000 in a brief case?????

lol

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MJS: Okay, I'm getting confused now. You said you believe that Prince got the money up-front, correct? confused

Nope I did not say that. I don't think Prince was ever paid.

Reply #356 posted 12/13/16 4:11pm

mjscarousal

1Sasha said:

Have you ever tried to take $10K out of a bank in cash? At 10, it gets reported to the IRS, so getting $750K in cash would raise every flag available, unless the money came from an entity, like a casino, which has tens of millions or so in cash on site. IMO I think Prince selected Jay-Z because he was an African-American entrepreneur. Yes, he wanted his money, but they could have had a handshake deal. In public, Prince more deliberately chose members of the AA community to support, with words and money, over the last years of his life. I don't think this arrangement was out of line at all.

Thank you. I think Prince trusted Jay Z and wanted to support him and was never paid as a result (not because he did not want to get paid but Jay Z was taking advantage and probably misleading Prince in their "verbal agreement"). The Prince of the 90's was obviously not the same Prince in 2016 so not sure why people are using old business examples.

Reply #357 posted 12/13/16 4:13pm

mjscarousal

Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

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eek

Theres an interview somewhere with Prince and Larry Graham, Larry says they never work with a Contract....Prince says something about preferring to work with People who Hold to their Words...

This is the SAME thing that happened with Prince and TIDAL and Jay Z screwed Prince over because he is a SNAKE.

Reply #358 posted 12/13/16 4:15pm

mjscarousal

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

I personally think he trusted Jay Z. The article says that Prince confined in Jay Z and talked with him about music. If he felt he could trust Jay Z, it doesn't seem far fetch that he would not demand money up front. I am going with this scenario because the fact that TIDAL can not come up with a tangible contract suggests that this was probably the case.

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It's possible, but risky to not have a contract/paper trail when doing business transactions. I mean, I would not buy a car or a house without proper documentation. Maybe Prince did get the cash up-front? This whole things is about as bizarre as can be, that's for sure!! eek

It is very bizarre! And common sense would suggest there would have been a contract but the Prince of 2016 seemed to be a mellow, kind hearted, and geneous middle age man that really wanted to help, guide and support young generation. I think its very possible there was never a contract and probably a verbal agreement and Jay Z took advantage of that.

Reply #359 posted 12/13/16 4:20pm

mjscarousal

cloveringold85 said:

Bitch betta have my money. Pay me whatcha owe me, LMAO!! lol

lol lol TIDAL and Joe Camel betta PAY UP!

Reply #360 posted 12/13/16 4:22pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

cloveringold85 said:

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MJS: Okay, I'm getting confused now. You said you believe that Prince got the money up-front, correct? confused

Nope I did not say that. I don't think Prince was ever paid.

Okay biggrin

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #361 posted 12/13/16 4:25pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It's possible, but risky to not have a contract/paper trail when doing business transactions. I mean, I would not buy a car or a house without proper documentation. Maybe Prince did get the cash up-front? This whole things is about as bizarre as can be, that's for sure!! eek

It is very bizarre! And common sense would suggest there would have been a contract but the Prince of 2016 seemed to be a mellow, kind hearted, and geneous middle age man that really wanted to help, guide and support young generation. I think its very possible there was never a contract and probably a verbal agreement and Jay Z took advantage of that.

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^^ yeahthat^^

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #362 posted 12/13/16 4:28pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

cloveringold85 said:

Bitch betta have my money. Pay me whatcha owe me, LMAO!! lol

lol lol TIDAL and Joe Camel betta PAY UP!

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nod

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #363 posted 12/13/16 5:07pm

oliviacamron

Lovejunky said:

 



cloveringold85 said:


 



laurarichardson said:


cloveringold85 said: -The Musicolgy tour was done without a contract.

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eek


 



Theres an interview somewhere with Prince and Larry Graham, Larry says they never work with a Contract....Prince says something about preferring to work with People who Hold to their Words...


So Prince holds himself to the same standard then. He must have not knew he was going to die because he had so many plans and projects coming up like the charity event
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #364 posted 12/14/16 6:55pm

lwr001

its my understanding that a lot of the meeting between jay and prince were filmed for a possoible doc release

Reply #365 posted 12/14/16 6:57pm

lwr001

Noodled24 said:

mjscarousal said:


Because Prince commited career suicide in order to get his money.

You really think Jay Z gave him $750, 000 in a brief case?????


Wouldn't be the first time Prince demanded cash in a bag.

walked outside of paisley and found a bag of purple money ,.,,wasnt that a lyric recently

Reply #366 posted 12/14/16 7:50pm

Lovejunky

lwr001 said:

its my understanding that a lot of the meeting between jay and prince were filmed for a possoible doc release

I read that somewhere some time back too..

I have since tried to find the Article where this is mentioned.

Its just Like Prince to film stuff. so when I read that Article if noted it...

This would explain a lot of whats going on behind the scens that we arent privvy to..

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #367 posted 12/14/16 7:54pm

Lovejunky

oliviacamron said:

Lovejunky said:

Theres an interview somewhere with Prince and Larry Graham, Larry says they never work with a Contract....Prince says something about preferring to work with People who Hold to their Words...

So Prince holds himself to the same standard then. He must have not knew he was going to die because he had so many plans and projects coming up like the charity event

No one knows WHEN they are going to die ..only that inevitably they/we will..

Even if he did have an inkling that his departure was near, that doesnt mean he would stop making plans.

He LIVED for his Music, so its normal for him, as far as I can see, to be implimenting projects and setting wheels in motion every day...

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #368 posted 12/15/16 4:26am

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It's possible, but risky to not have a contract/paper trail when doing business transactions. I mean, I would not buy a car or a house without proper documentation. Maybe Prince did get the cash up-front? This whole things is about as bizarre as can be, that's for sure!! eek

It is very bizarre! And common sense would suggest there would have been a contract but the Prince of 2016 seemed to be a mellow, kind hearted, and geneous middle age man that really wanted to help, guide and support young generation. I think its very possible there was never a contract and probably a verbal agreement and Jay Z took advantage of that.

--- There is nothing to take a advantage of. You can do a contract verbally/handshake as long as their is a mutual exchange you have a contract. ( I believe that Prince had equity in Tidal) Something is going on because most of the content is still up on Tidal. I even question the 90 day clause since 90 days has long passed and all of the remaining content can be removed per that agreement which both Bremer and Roc Nation due agreement exsisted. Why is most of the catalogue still on Tidal as of today.

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Reply #369 posted 12/15/16 10:43am

JettaP

LIBRA said:

A couple of things.

1.) Prince died. Any "DEAL" is null and void unless it is written in the will. No will no "Deal."

2.) Since there is no will it would have to be a written contract. No contract and we all know why.

3.) Now that prince is dead and there is no will nor contract it will have to be a NEW contract with his estate.

4.) Tital is in $$ trouble. They have not paid some artist per reports. Yes It is aslo said that Tital uploaded 19 Albums AFTER he died. They do not have a right to do so.

It is also said that they never paid Prince $750,000 for his last CD.

I see this as their way to get some cash and pay off some debt.

But realistically they do NOT have a shot at this.

link:

https://www.digitalmusicn...-catalog/

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I'm a bit late responding to the posts about this subject, but I do agree with you. But even on a handshake, Roc Nation should have date(s)/times when reps met with Prince. If they paid Prince cash, they should have recorded in a journal (a simple daytimer/planner), that they gave him cash. $750K cash, such a large withdrawal should show on a bank statement. Or, if the money was taken out of someone's vault, I go back to my original statement of writing down the transaction & meeting in a day timer/planner both of which are submissable in court. I'm not for or against Tidal, but if they didn't pay Prince, they need to pay the estate now and move forward. If they can't prove anything, they need to move on. Streaming Prince's music through ALL services would be better for his legacy whether Tidal remains in business or not. I'm not big on streaming, but for those who are, I'd like them to have access to Prince's music; Tidal lags in subscribers. He deserves to continously be heard.

Reply #370 posted 12/15/16 11:01am

JettaP

PRNelson said:

I wonder if Londell is representing the Prince estate in this case? I'm guessing it may have some repercussions considering he owns source magazine and has affiliations with other artists. I asked him on twitter but received no response.

You've probably seen his response by now, but today Londell posted the following on Twitter: "During my tenure with , we shut down infringement. It's unacceptable. While some has been done, more remains to be done. "I am only an advisor to the Estate. "If" I were in control, some things would be different & lawsuits for infringements like b4!

Reply #371 posted 12/15/16 12:52pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

It is very bizarre! And common sense would suggest there would have been a contract but the Prince of 2016 seemed to be a mellow, kind hearted, and geneous middle age man that really wanted to help, guide and support young generation. I think its very possible there was never a contract and probably a verbal agreement and Jay Z took advantage of that.

--- There is nothing to take a advantage of. You can do a contract verbally/handshake as long as their is a mutual exchange you have a contract. ( I believe that Prince had equity in Tidal) Something is going on because most of the content is still up on Tidal. I even question the 90 day clause since 90 days has long passed and all of the remaining content can be removed per that agreement which both Bremer and Roc Nation due agreement exsisted. Why is most of the catalogue still on Tidal as of today.

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A contract is a written agreement in business. You really think a judge is going to honor a handshake? We have no way of knowing if Prince wanted TIDAL to control all his music!?!?! It turns into he said, she said type of thing without a signature. TIDAL is TOAST.

Reply #372 posted 12/15/16 1:00pm

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

--- There is nothing to take a advantage of. You can do a contract verbally/handshake as long as their is a mutual exchange you have a contract. ( I believe that Prince had equity in Tidal) Something is going on because most of the content is still up on Tidal. I even question the 90 day clause since 90 days has long passed and all of the remaining content can be removed per that agreement which both Bremer and Roc Nation due agreement exsisted. Why is most of the catalogue still on Tidal as of today.

[Edited 12/15/16 4:29am]

A contract is a written agreement in business. You really think a judge is going to honor a handshake? We have no way of knowing if Prince wanted TIDAL to control all his music!?!?! It turns into he said, she said type of thing without a signature. TIDAL is TOAST.

A contract can be a verbal agreement if an exchange occured. TIDAL claims they have an equity term agreement. I believe Prince was going to get equity in TIDAL or was given equity. It is all going to depend on how the agreement was put together. It can be a slippy slope but it is an exchange or at least Tidal sees it that way. This is the reason I think the bulk of the music is still on Tidal even after the Dec 8th date concerning their claim.

See below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_sheet

A term sheet is a bullet-point document outlining the material terms and conditions of a business agreement. After a term sheet has been "executed", it guides legal counsel in the preparation of a proposed "final agreement". It then guides, but is not necessarily binding, as the signatories negotiate, usually with legal counsel, the final terms of their agreement.

A term sheet implies the conditions of a business transaction, as proposed by a party. It may be either binding or non-binding.

Term sheets are very similar to "letters of intent" (LOI) in that they are both preliminary, mostly non-binding documents meant to record two or more parties' intentions to enter into a future agreement based on specified (but incomplete or preliminary) terms. The difference between the two is slight and mostly a matter of style: an LOI is typically written in letter form and focuses on the parties' intentions; a term sheet skips most of the formalities and lists deal terms in bullet-point or similar format. There is an implication that an LOI only refers to the final form. A term sheet may be a proposal, not an agreed-to document.

Within the context of venture capital financing, a term sheet typically includes conditions for financing a startup company. The key offering terms in such a term sheet include (a) amount raised, (b) price per share, (c) pre-money valuation, (d) liquidation preference, (e) voting rights, (f) anti-dilution provisions, and (g) registration rights.[1]

It is customary to begin the negotiation of a venture investment with the circulation of a term sheet, which is a summary of the terms the proposer (the issuer, the investor, or an intermediary) is prepared to accept. The term sheet is analogous to a letter of intent, a nonbinding outline of the principal points which the stock purchase agreement and related agreements will cover in detail.

The advantage of the abbreviated term sheet format is, first, that it expedites the process. Experienced counsel immediately know generally what is meant when the term sheet specifies "one demand registration at the issuer's expense, unlimited piggybacks at the issuer's expense, weighted average antidilution"; it saves time not to have to spell out the long-form edition of those references. Second, since the term sheet does not propose to be an agreement of any sort, it is less likely that a court will find unexpected promissory content; a "letter of intent" can be a dangerous document unless it specifies very clearly, as it should, which portions are meant to be binding and which merely guide the discussion and drafting. Some portions of a term sheet can have binding effect, of course, if and to the extent an interlocutory memorialization is needed of some binding promises, that is, confidentiality of the disclosures made in the negotiation. The summary format of a term sheet, however, makes it less likely that any party will be misled into thinking that some form of enforceable agreement has been memorialized when it has not.[2]

Maybe this type of arrangement.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/simple-agreement-for-future-equity.html

Commonly referred to as a SAFE, a simple agreement for future equity is a simple contract between an investor and a startup company where the investor provides capital to the startup company, and the startup provides a warrant to issue stock to the investor at a later time.

SAFEs are one common instrument used in angel investing as a method to reduce legal costs and overhead in investing in startups. Angel investors use these low-cost instruments in ultra-high risk startup investing because they expect most of their startup investments to fail. As a practical matter, most startups that do fail have little or no assets of value to take advantage of after their failure.

Read more: http://www.businessdictio...quity.html

simple agreement for future equity
Definition
Popular Terms
Commonly referred to as a SAFE, a simple agreement for future equity is a simple contract between an investor and a startup company where the investor provides capital to the startup company, and the startup provides a warrant to issue stock to the investor at a later time.

SAFEs are one common instrument used in angel investing as a method to reduce legal costs and overhead in investing in startups. Angel investors use these low-cost instruments in ultra-high risk startup investing because they expect most of their startup investments to fail. As a practical matter, most startups that do fail have little or no assets of value to take advantage of after their failure.

Read more: http://www.businessdictio...quity.html

simple agreement for future equity
Definition
Popular Terms
Commonly referred to as a SAFE, a simple agreement for future equity is a simple contract between an investor and a startup company where the investor provides capital to the startup company, and the startup provides a warrant to issue stock to the investor at a later time.

SAFEs are one common instrument used in angel investing as a method to reduce legal costs and overhead in investing in startups. Angel investors use these low-cost instruments in ultra-high risk startup investing because they expect most of their startup investments to fail. As a practical matter, most startups that do fail have little or no assets of value to take advantage of after their failure.

Read more: http://www.businessdictio...quity.html

[Edited 12/15/16 13:01pm]

Reply #373 posted 12/15/16 1:03pm

laurarichardson

JettaP said:

LIBRA said:

A couple of things.

1.) Prince died. Any "DEAL" is null and void unless it is written in the will. No will no "Deal."

2.) Since there is no will it would have to be a written contract. No contract and we all know why.

3.) Now that prince is dead and there is no will nor contract it will have to be a NEW contract with his estate.

4.) Tital is in $$ trouble. They have not paid some artist per reports. Yes It is aslo said that Tital uploaded 19 Albums AFTER he died. They do not have a right to do so.

It is also said that they never paid Prince $750,000 for his last CD.

I see this as their way to get some cash and pay off some debt.

But realistically they do NOT have a shot at this.

link:

https://www.digitalmusicn...-catalog/

[Edited 11/15/16 12:30pm]

I'm a bit late responding to the posts about this subject, but I do agree with you. But even on a handshake, Roc Nation should have date(s)/times when reps met with Prince. If they paid Prince cash, they should have recorded in a journal (a simple daytimer/planner), that they gave him cash. $750K cash, such a large withdrawal should show on a bank statement. Or, if the money was taken out of someone's vault, I go back to my original statement of writing down the transaction & meeting in a day timer/planner both of which are submissable in court. I'm not for or against Tidal, but if they didn't pay Prince, they need to pay the estate now and move forward. If they can't prove anything, they need to move on. Streaming Prince's music through ALL services would be better for his legacy whether Tidal remains in business or not. I'm not big on streaming, but for those who are, I'd like them to have access to Prince's music; Tidal lags in subscribers. He deserves to continously be heard.

Well you are agreeing with someone who does not know what they are speaking on.

Prince died. Any "DEAL" is null and void unless it is written in the will. No will no "Deal."

Deals don't die when people die. The deal is now with the estate. eek

Reply #374 posted 12/15/16 1:14pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

A contract is a written agreement in business. You really think a judge is going to honor a handshake? We have no way of knowing if Prince wanted TIDAL to control all his music!?!?! It turns into he said, she said type of thing without a signature. TIDAL is TOAST.

A contract can be a verbal agreement if an exchange occured. TIDAL claims they have an equity term agreement. I believe Prince was going to get equity in TIDAL or was given equity. It is all going to depend on how the agreement was put together. It can be a slippy slope but it is an exchange or at least Tidal sees it that way. This is the reason I think the bulk of the music is still on Tidal even after the Dec 8th date concerning their claim.

See below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_sheet

A term sheet is a bullet-point document outlining the material terms and conditions of a business agreement. After a term sheet has been "executed", it guides legal counsel in the preparation of a proposed "final agreement". It then guides, but is not necessarily binding, as the signatories negotiate, usually with legal counsel, the final terms of their agreement.

A term sheet implies the conditions of a business transaction, as proposed by a party. It may be either binding or non-binding.

Term sheets are very similar to "letters of intent" (LOI) in that they are both preliminary, mostly non-binding documents meant to record two or more parties' intentions to enter into a future agreement based on specified (but incomplete or preliminary) terms. The difference between the two is slight and mostly a matter of style: an LOI is typically written in letter form and focuses on the parties' intentions; a term sheet skips most of the formalities and lists deal terms in bullet-point or similar format. There is an implication that an LOI only refers to the final form. A term sheet may be a proposal, not an agreed-to document.

Within the context of venture capital financing, a term sheet typically includes conditions for financing a startup company. The key offering terms in such a term sheet include (a) amount raised, (b) price per share, (c) pre-money valuation, (d) liquidation preference, (e) voting rights, (f) anti-dilution provisions, and (g) registration rights.[1]

It is customary to begin the negotiation of a venture investment with the circulation of a term sheet, which is a summary of the terms the proposer (the issuer, the investor, or an intermediary) is prepared to accept. The term sheet is analogous to a letter of intent, a nonbinding outline of the principal points which the stock purchase agreement and related agreements will cover in detail.

The advantage of the abbreviated term sheet format is, first, that it expedites the process. Experienced counsel immediately know generally what is meant when the term sheet specifies "one demand registration at the issuer's expense, unlimited piggybacks at the issuer's expense, weighted average antidilution"; it saves time not to have to spell out the long-form edition of those references. Second, since the term sheet does not propose to be an agreement of any sort, it is less likely that a court will find unexpected promissory content; a "letter of intent" can be a dangerous document unless it specifies very clearly, as it should, which portions are meant to be binding and which merely guide the discussion and drafting. Some portions of a term sheet can have binding effect, of course, if and to the extent an interlocutory memorialization is needed of some binding promises, that is, confidentiality of the disclosures made in the negotiation. The summary format of a term sheet, however, makes it less likely that any party will be misled into thinking that some form of enforceable agreement has been memorialized when it has not.[2]

Maybe this type of arrangement.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/simple-agreement-for-future-equity.html

Commonly referred to as a SAFE, a simple agreement for future equity is a simple contract between an investor and a startup company where the investor provides capital to the startup company, and the startup provides a warrant to issue stock to the investor at a later time.

SAFEs are one common instrument used in angel investing as a method to reduce legal costs and overhead in investing in startups. Angel investors use these low-cost instruments in ultra-high risk startup investing because they expect most of their startup investments to fail. As a practical matter, most startups that do fail have little or no assets of value to take advantage of after their failure.

Read more: http://www.businessdictio...quity.html

simple agreement for future equity
Definition
Popular Terms
Commonly referred to as a SAFE, a simple agreement for future equity is a simple contract between an investor and a startup company where the investor provides capital to the startup company, and the startup provides a warrant to issue stock to the investor at a later time.

SAFEs are one common instrument used in angel investing as a method to reduce legal costs and overhead in investing in startups. Angel investors use these low-cost instruments in ultra-high risk startup investing because they expect most of their startup investments to fail. As a practical matter, most startups that do fail have little or no assets of value to take advantage of after their failure.

Read more: http://www.businessdictio...quity.html

simple agreement for future equity
Definition
Popular Terms
Commonly referred to as a SAFE, a simple agreement for future equity is a simple contract between an investor and a startup company where the investor provides capital to the startup company, and the startup provides a warrant to issue stock to the investor at a later time.

SAFEs are one common instrument used in angel investing as a method to reduce legal costs and overhead in investing in startups. Angel investors use these low-cost instruments in ultra-high risk startup investing because they expect most of their startup investments to fail. As a practical matter, most startups that do fail have little or no assets of value to take advantage of after their failure.

Read more: http://www.businessdictio...quity.html

[Edited 12/15/16 13:01pm]

TIDAL claims that Prince had discussions with Jay Z about the music industry, (and their claiming this is their proof that an agreement was exchanged) however, that is not verbalizing an agreement. That is not concrete proof that an agreement was exchanged. Like I said, TIDAL is TOAST and full of bullshit.

[Edited 12/15/16 13:15pm]

Reply #375 posted 12/15/16 1:44pm

cloveringold85

JettaP said:

LIBRA said:

A couple of things.

1.) Prince died. Any "DEAL" is null and void unless it is written in the will. No will no "Deal."

2.) Since there is no will it would have to be a written contract. No contract and we all know why.

3.) Now that prince is dead and there is no will nor contract it will have to be a NEW contract with his estate.

4.) Tital is in $$ trouble. They have not paid some artist per reports. Yes It is aslo said that Tital uploaded 19 Albums AFTER he died. They do not have a right to do so.

It is also said that they never paid Prince $750,000 for his last CD.

I see this as their way to get some cash and pay off some debt.

But realistically they do NOT have a shot at this.

link:

https://www.digitalmusicn...-catalog/

[Edited 11/15/16 12:30pm]

I'm a bit late responding to the posts about this subject, but I do agree with you. But even on a handshake, Roc Nation should have date(s)/times when reps met with Prince. If they paid Prince cash, they should have recorded in a journal (a simple daytimer/planner), that they gave him cash. $750K cash, such a large withdrawal should show on a bank statement. Or, if the money was taken out of someone's vault, I go back to my original statement of writing down the transaction & meeting in a day timer/planner both of which are submissable in court. I'm not for or against Tidal, but if they didn't pay Prince, they need to pay the estate now and move forward. If they can't prove anything, they need to move on. Streaming Prince's music through ALL services would be better for his legacy whether Tidal remains in business or not. I'm not big on streaming, but for those who are, I'd like them to have access to Prince's music; Tidal lags in subscribers. He deserves to continously be heard.

.

Very good points made!! Like you said, there has to be some type of paper trail from Tidal. Bremer said they asked for accounting records and Tidal has yet to respond. It doesn't matter if they had a handshake deal or not, because without proper documentation or some kind of paper trail, they don't have a leg to stand on. Now, given the fact that P's music is still up on Tidal must mean they have rights to do so and/or the Judge is allowing them to bide their time?

.

I agree with you; I think Prince's music should be easily accessible, not just though Tidal. I think Prince and JayZ both wanted to help each other out by doing this deal, but it basically back-fired on JayZ now. eek

.

We will have to wait and see.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #376 posted 12/15/16 1:47pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

--- There is nothing to take a advantage of. You can do a contract verbally/handshake as long as their is a mutual exchange you have a contract. ( I believe that Prince had equity in Tidal) Something is going on because most of the content is still up on Tidal. I even question the 90 day clause since 90 days has long passed and all of the remaining content can be removed per that agreement which both Bremer and Roc Nation due agreement exsisted. Why is most of the catalogue still on Tidal as of today.

[Edited 12/15/16 4:29am]

A contract is a written agreement in business. You really think a judge is going to honor a handshake? We have no way of knowing if Prince wanted TIDAL to control all his music!?!?! It turns into he said, she said type of thing without a signature. TIDAL is TOAST.

.

Exactly! And, Prince is not here to speak for himself. Now, does he have someone who is aware of the deal with Tidal and can speak on his behalf? We just don't know. Does Tyka know? The reality is, Prince did a lot of things on his own and without legal advice, so they all have one hell of a mess on their hands now! I hope we hear about some news, pretty soon!

.

[Edited 12/15/16 13:47pm]

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #377 posted 12/15/16 2:03pm

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



mjscarousal said:


 


A contract is a written agreement in business. You really think a judge is going to honor a handshake? We have no way of knowing if Prince wanted TIDAL to control all his music!?!?! It turns into he said, she said type of thing without a signature. TIDAL is TOAST.



A contract can be a verbal agreement if an exchange occured. TIDAL claims they have an equity term agreement. I believe Prince was going to get equity in TIDAL or was given equity. It is all going to depend on how the agreement was put together. It can be a slippy slope but it is an exchange or at least Tidal sees it that way. This is the reason I think the bulk of the music is still on Tidal even after the Dec 8th date concerning their claim.


 


See below.


 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_sheet


A term sheet is a bullet-point document outlining the material terms and conditions of a business agreement. After a term sheet has been "executed", it guides legal counsel in the preparation of a proposed "final agreement". It then guides, but is not necessarily binding, as the signatories negotiate, usually with legal counsel, the final terms of their agreement.


A term sheet implies the conditions of a business transaction, as proposed by a party. It may be either binding or non-binding.


Term sheets are very similar to "letters of intent" (LOI) in that they are both preliminary, mostly non-binding documents meant to record two or more parties' intentions to enter into a future agreement based on specified (but incomplete or preliminary) terms. The difference between the two is slight and mostly a matter of style: an LOI is typically written in letter form and focuses on the parties' intentions; a term sheet skips most of the formalities and lists deal terms in bullet-point or similar format. There is an implication that an LOI only refers to the final form. A term sheet may be a proposal, not an agreed-to document.


Within the context of venture capital financing, a term sheet typically includes conditions for financing a startup company. The key offering terms in such a term sheet include (a) amount raised, (b) price per share, (c) pre-money valuation, (d) liquidation preference, (e) voting rights, (f) anti-dilution provisions, and (g) registration rights.[1]


It is customary to begin the negotiation of a venture investment with the circulation of a term sheet, which is a summary of the terms the proposer (the issuer, the investor, or an intermediary) is prepared to accept. The term sheet is analogous to a letter of intent, a nonbinding outline of the principal points which the stock purchase agreement and related agreements will cover in detail.


The advantage of the abbreviated term sheet format is, first, that it expedites the process. Experienced counsel immediately know generally what is meant when the term sheet specifies "one demand registration at the issuer's expense, unlimited piggybacks at the issuer's expense, weighted average antidilution"; it saves time not to have to spell out the long-form edition of those references. Second, since the term sheet does not propose to be an agreement of any sort, it is less likely that a court will find unexpected promissory content; a "letter of intent" can be a dangerous document unless it specifies very clearly, as it should, which portions are meant to be binding and which merely guide the discussion and drafting. Some portions of a term sheet can have binding effect, of course, if and to the extent an interlocutory memorialization is needed of some binding promises, that is, confidentiality of the disclosures made in the negotiation. The summary format of a term sheet, however, makes it less likely that any party will be misled into thinking that some form of enforceable agreement has been memorialized when it has not.[2]


 


Maybe this type of arrangement.


http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/simple-agreement-for-future-equity.html


Commonly referred to as a SAFE, a simple agreement for future equity is a simple contract between an investor and a startup company where the investor provides capital to the startup company, and the startup provides a warrant to issue stock to the investor at a later time.

SAFEs are one common instrument used in angel investing as a method to reduce legal costs and overhead in investing in startups. Angel investors use these low-cost instruments in ultra-high risk startup investing because they expect most of their startup investments to fail. As a practical matter, most startups that do fail have little or no assets of value to take advantage of after their failure.

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/simple-agreement-for-future-equity.html


simple agreement for future equity
Definition
Popular Terms
Commonly referred to as a SAFE, a simple agreement for future equity is a simple contract between an investor and a startup company where the investor provides capital to the startup company, and the startup provides a warrant to issue stock to the investor at a later time.

SAFEs are one common instrument used in angel investing as a method to reduce legal costs and overhead in investing in startups. Angel investors use these low-cost instruments in ultra-high risk startup investing because they expect most of their startup investments to fail. As a practical matter, most startups that do fail have little or no assets of value to take advantage of after their failure.

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/simple-agreement-for-future-equity.html


simple agreement for future equity
Definition
Popular Terms
Commonly referred to as a SAFE, a simple agreement for future equity is a simple contract between an investor and a startup company where the investor provides capital to the startup company, and the startup provides a warrant to issue stock to the investor at a later time.

SAFEs are one common instrument used in angel investing as a method to reduce legal costs and overhead in investing in startups. Angel investors use these low-cost instruments in ultra-high risk startup investing because they expect most of their startup investments to fail. As a practical matter, most startups that do fail have little or no assets of value to take advantage of after their failure.

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/simple-agreement-for-future-equity.html

[Edited 12/15/16 13:01pm]



 


TIDAL claims that Prince had discussions with Jay Z about the music industry, (and their claiming this is their proof that an agreement was exchanged) however, that is not verbalizing an agreement. That is not concrete proof that an agreement was exchanged. Like I said, TIDAL is TOAST and full of bullshit.


 


 

[Edited 12/15/16 13:15pm]


No, Roc Nation filed a claim in probate court stating they do have a written agreement however, Breamer is trying to throw out the claim because when you make claim you should listed the dollar figure and provide backup docs. Roc nation did it provide the docs and they have not listed a dollar figure on their claim. You need to read the court docs.
Reply #378 posted 12/16/16 12:10am

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

TIDAL claims that Prince had discussions with Jay Z about the music industry, (and their claiming this is their proof that an agreement was exchanged) however, that is not verbalizing an agreement. That is not concrete proof that an agreement was exchanged. Like I said, TIDAL is TOAST and full of bullshit.

[Edited 12/15/16 13:15pm]

No, Roc Nation filed a claim in probate court stating they do have a written agreement however, Breamer is trying to throw out the claim because when you make claim you should listed the dollar figure and provide backup docs. Roc nation did it provide the docs and they have not listed a dollar figure on their claim. You need to read the court docs.

Can I ask you a question?

Reply #379 posted 12/16/16 2:10am

lwr001

Prince has made it known in many publications and interviews his affinity for Jay and Tidal...I have no insight into what deals may or may have not been signed and or monies exchanged nor does anyone on here.. The fact that they didn't respond to Bremer means absolutely nothing; tBremer isn''t the courts so why expose your hand.

Reply #380 posted 12/16/16 5:54am

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said: No, Roc Nation filed a claim in probate court stating they do have a written agreement however, Breamer is trying to throw out the claim because when you make claim you should listed the dollar figure and provide backup docs. Roc nation did it provide the docs and they have not listed a dollar figure on their claim. You need to read the court docs.

Can I ask you a question?

Sure you can

Reply #381 posted 12/16/16 5:56am

laurarichardson

lwr001 said:

Prince has made it known in many publications and interviews his affinity for Jay and Tidal...I have no insight into what deals may or may have not been signed and or monies exchanged nor does anyone on here.. The fact that they didn't respond to Bremer means absolutely nothing; tBremer isn''t the courts so why expose your hand.

Any agreement they had with him is propritory information and they may have been tipped off by the family that Breamer was not going to be around beyond January so why give the info to them.

They will have to give the info to a court if the next admins want to pursue the federal case. I think it would be better if all parties set down and worked something out rather then waste more money and time in court battles. Also stop the barrage of e-mails and actually talk maybe even bring in a arbitrator.

Reply #382 posted 12/16/16 7:38am

JettaP

laurarichardson said:

JettaP said:

I'm a bit late responding to the posts about this subject, but I do agree with you. But even on a handshake, Roc Nation should have date(s)/times when reps met with Prince. If they paid Prince cash, they should have recorded in a journal (a simple daytimer/planner), that they gave him cash. $750K cash, such a large withdrawal should show on a bank statement. Or, if the money was taken out of someone's vault, I go back to my original statement of writing down the transaction & meeting in a day timer/planner both of which are submissable in court. I'm not for or against Tidal, but if they didn't pay Prince, they need to pay the estate now and move forward. If they can't prove anything, they need to move on. Streaming Prince's music through ALL services would be better for his legacy whether Tidal remains in business or not. I'm not big on streaming, but for those who are, I'd like them to have access to Prince's music; Tidal lags in subscribers. He deserves to continously be heard.

Well you are agreeing with someone who does not know what they are speaking on.

Prince died. Any "DEAL" is null and void unless it is written in the will. No will no "Deal."

Deals don't die when people die. The deal is now with the estate. eek

Thanks. In actuality, none of us really know what the heck is happening. Just speculating. The deal may not have died with Prince, but the fact remains that Roc Nation hasn't proven their case yet. I'd be more inclined to side with Roc Nation if they could/would produce payment info.

Reply #383 posted 12/16/16 12:29pm

oliviacamron

laurarichardson said:

 



mjscarousal said:


 



laurarichardson said:


mjscarousal said: No, Roc Nation filed a claim in probate court stating they do have a written agreement however, Breamer is trying to throw out the claim because when you make claim you should listed the dollar figure and provide backup docs. Roc nation did it provide the docs and they have not listed a dollar figure on their claim. You need to read the court docs.

Can I ask you a question?



Sure you can


smile couch popcorn
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #384 posted 12/16/16 1:08pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

Can I ask you a question?

Sure you can

Do you work for TIDAL?

Reply #385 posted 12/16/16 3:04pm

lwr001

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

Sure you can

Do you work for TIDAL?

i cant breathe

Reply #386 posted 12/16/16 3:45pm

cloveringold85

omfg faint

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #387 posted 12/16/16 7:44pm

oliviacamron

cool
[Edited 12/16/16 19:47pm]
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #388 posted 12/17/16 8:02am

PennyPurple

disbelief

Reply #389 posted 12/17/16 11:35am

oliviacamron

Moving on... Um so when the next court date?
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #390 posted 12/17/16 12:47pm

zenarose

oliviacamron said:

Moving on... Um so when the next court date?




The court rejected the claim bc it had no $$$ amount. There's no telling, but Id bet after the first of the year. Too late now.
Reply #391 posted 12/17/16 9:34pm

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



mjscarousal said:


 


Can I ask you a question?



Sure you can



 


Do you work for TIDAL? 


-- No, I do not but what I am doing is looking at the facts of the case directly from the court docs. I am not bringing my emotions to the table.
Reply #392 posted 12/17/16 10:17pm

oliviacamron

zenarose said:

oliviacamron said:

Moving on... Um so when the next court date?




The court rejected the claim bc it had no $$$ amount. There's no telling, but Id bet after the first of the year. Too late now.

That seems kinda stupid of them (Tidal)
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #393 posted 12/18/16 8:21am

laurarichardson

zenarose said:

oliviacamron said:

Moving on... Um so when the next court date?




The court rejected the claim bc it had no $$$ amount. There's no telling, but Id bet after the first of the year. Too late now.

-- They can file again just like all these idiot morons who keep asking for DNA when time for that has long passed.
Reply #394 posted 12/18/16 2:26pm

cloveringold85

oliviacamron said:

zenarose said:
The court rejected the claim bc it had no $$$ amount. There's no telling, but Id bet after the first of the year. Too late now.
That seems kinda stupid of them (Tidal)

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They know better than that, come on! They are trying to bide their time with the Court.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #395 posted 12/18/16 2:47pm

oliviacamron

cloveringold85 said:

 



oliviacamron said:


zenarose said:
The court rejected the claim bc it had no $$$ amount. There's no telling, but Id bet after the first of the year. Too late now.

That seems kinda stupid of them (Tidal)

.


They know better than that, come on!  They are trying to bide their time with the Court.


 


Ahhh. Not stupid lawyer, smart lawyer
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #396 posted 12/18/16 2:50pm

cloveringold85

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

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They know better than that, come on! They are trying to bide their time with the Court.

Ahhh. Not stupid lawyer, smart lawyer

.

That's what I mean......they are trying to be slick. lol

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Yea, we know that angle you's lawyers always use! lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #397 posted 12/18/16 4:28pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

Do you work for TIDAL?

-- No, I do not but what I am doing is looking at the facts of the case directly from the court docs. I am not bringing my emotions to the table.

Well the reason why I asked this question is because there are facts that suggest that TIDAL/Jay Z are full of shit but you seem to keep either ignoring or not considering the information. It feels that you have this need to defend TIDAL at all costs for whatever reason. Nobody is bringing emotions to the table, we as fans naturally want what is best for Prince and there is clear evidence that show that TIDAL cannot be trusted (you don't seem to care about that though).

Reply #398 posted 12/18/16 4:31pm

mjscarousal

cloveringold85 said:

oliviacamron said:

zenarose said: That seems kinda stupid of them (Tidal)

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They know better than that, come on! They are trying to bide their time with the Court.

Pretty much nod This is not rocket science. If they had figures of what they paid Prince they would have already given it. TIDAL and Jay Z are full of s.h.i.t. I am so angry at the nerve of them trying to screw over Prince AFTER he was kind and tried to mentor them, especially Jay Z mad

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Reply #399 posted 12/18/16 4:43pm

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said: -- No, I do not but what I am doing is looking at the facts of the case directly from the court docs. I am not bringing my emotions to the table.

Well the reason why I asked this question is because there are facts that suggest that TIDAL/Jay Z are full of shit but you seem to keep either ignoring or not considering the information. It feels that you have this need to defend TIDAL at all costs for whatever reason. Nobody is bringing emotions to the table, we as fans naturally want what is best for Prince and there is clear evidence that show that TIDAL cannot be trusted (you don't seem to care about that though).

I am reading what is in the court docs and you are not. So you are going off of emotion. If Tidal has not paid any money the federal and probate courts will make sure the estate gets the money. No worries about that the estate is being over seen by a court not by Willy Wonka.

Reply #400 posted 12/18/16 10:21pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

Well the reason why I asked this question is because there are facts that suggest that TIDAL/Jay Z are full of shit but you seem to keep either ignoring or not considering the information. It feels that you have this need to defend TIDAL at all costs for whatever reason. Nobody is bringing emotions to the table, we as fans naturally want what is best for Prince and there is clear evidence that show that TIDAL cannot be trusted (you don't seem to care about that though).

I am reading what is in the court docs and you are not. So you are going off of emotion. If Tidal has not paid any money the federal and probate courts will make sure the estate gets the money. No worries about that the estate is being over seen by a court not by Willy Wonka.

Everything I am saying is in line with the court docs. TIDAL is stalling with presenting documents with proper figures because they dont have any. You are choosing to believe that they have proof of agreement and documentation but that does not mean I am going off of emotions. I find it truly bizarre you defend TIDAL so passionately despite their questionable behavior towards Prince.

Reply #401 posted 12/19/16 2:50am

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



mjscarousal said:


 


Well the reason why I asked this question is because there are facts that suggest that TIDAL/Jay Z are full of shit but you seem to keep either ignoring or not considering the information. It feels that you have this need to defend TIDAL at all costs for whatever reason. Nobody is bringing emotions to the table, we as fans naturally want what is best for Prince and there is clear evidence that show that TIDAL cannot be trusted (you don't seem to care about that though).



I am reading what is in the court docs and you are not. So you are going off of emotion. If Tidal has not paid any money the federal and probate courts will make sure the estate gets the money. No worries about that the estate is being over seen by a court not by Willy Wonka.


 


 



 Everything I am saying is in line with the court docs. TIDAL is stalling with presenting documents with proper figures because they dont have any. You are choosing to believe that they have proof of agreement and documentation but that does not mean I am going off of emotions. I find it truly bizarre you defend TIDAL so passionately despite their questionable behavior towards Prince.


--I find it bizarre that you keep missing that Tidal has stated they have an equity term agreement and if they had nothing why is the bulk of the music still on the sight? 90 days has long passed and both Breamer and Tidal agree that there was a 90 day exclusivity? I am not defending I am stating what is in the docs. I do not believe Prince gave Tidal files without upfront money. Something else is going on with this case that we the public do not have access to and I am confident that the courts will get it straightened out.
Reply #402 posted 12/19/16 4:01am

1Sasha

I had mentioned this before, but I think the fact that TIDAL has African-American ownership (at least in part) was a key factor in Prince's placement of his music with it. Brother to Brother, so to speak. Phaedra is the one who knows the facts on this agreement. I am sure.

Reply #403 posted 12/19/16 4:35am

laurarichardson

1Sasha said:

I had mentioned this before, but I think the fact that TIDAL has African-American ownership (at least in part) was a key factor in Prince's placement of his music with it. Brother to Brother, so to speak. Phaedra is the one who knows the facts on this agreement. I am sure.

Of course that was the reason he wanted to do business with TIDAL and I believe that is the reason people have been throwing shade at the company from the start. Same thing happend when Oprah started OWN and now look at it.

I believe Phaedra has a lot to do with this and I think those documents she provided is the reason the bulk of the music is still up on Tidal. More going on with this then we know.

Reply #404 posted 12/19/16 4:38am

1Sasha

Yes.

Reply #405 posted 12/19/16 4:48am

laurarichardson

1Sasha said:

Yes.

In four months it will a year from his death. What are people going to say if the bulk of the material is still on Tidal? That Tidal is so powerful of a company that they can beat a copyright infringement case? eek

Reply #406 posted 12/19/16 5:27am

1Sasha

Agreed, LR.

Reply #407 posted 12/19/16 5:38am

zenarose

cloveringold85 said:

 



oliviacamron said:


cloveringold85 said:

 


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They know better than that, come on!  They are trying to bide their time with the Court.


 



Ahhh. Not stupid lawyer, smart lawyer

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That's what I mean.....they are trying to be slick.  lol


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Yea, we know that angle you's lawyers always use!  lol


 







Yup.....y'all got it!!!!! 😋 BURN a few $$$$$ let 'em sizzle a bit.....N maybe they will deal.....😣😏
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Reply #408 posted 12/19/16 11:42am

oliviacamron

1Sasha said:

I had mentioned this before, but I think the fact that TIDAL has African-American ownership (at least in part) was a key factor in Prince's placement of his music with it.  Brother to Brother, so to speak.  Phaedra is the one who knows the facts on this agreement.  I am sure.


Except they are really owned by a Swedish company. I even read that in the court docs . I don't understand this but Jz bought shares from Aspire.
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #409 posted 12/19/16 12:38pm

laurarichardson

oliviacamron said:

1Sasha said:

I had mentioned this before, but I think the fact that TIDAL has African-American ownership (at least in part) was a key factor in Prince's placement of his music with it. Brother to Brother, so to speak. Phaedra is the one who knows the facts on this agreement. I am sure.

Except they are really owned by a Swedish company. I even read that in the court docs . I don't understand this but Jz bought shares from Aspire.

I believe Jay-Z is the largest shareholder.

Reply #410 posted 12/19/16 12:41pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

I am reading what is in the court docs and you are not. So you are going off of emotion. If Tidal has not paid any money the federal and probate courts will make sure the estate gets the money. No worries about that the estate is being over seen by a court not by Willy Wonka.

Everything I am saying is in line with the court docs. TIDAL is stalling with presenting documents with proper figures because they dont have any. You are choosing to believe that they have proof of agreement and documentation but that does not mean I am going off of emotions. I find it truly bizarre you defend TIDAL so passionately despite their questionable behavior towards Prince.

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I understand where you are coming from, MJS and I agree. Given the fact that Prince trusted JayZ, and then for them to be acting this way after Prince's death speaks in volumes about their character.

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I think when there are verbal deals, a lot of emotions DO in fact play into it. That's the kind of guy Prince was; if he felt a connection to you, and he could trust you (and he trusted very few), then he expected you to carry out and respect his wishes.

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Character is everything. You can talk b.s. all day but at the end of the day, it is your "actions" that define who you truly are!

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Just giving my 2-cents. biggrin

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #411 posted 12/19/16 12:42pm

cloveringold85

oliviacamron said:

1Sasha said:

I had mentioned this before, but I think the fact that TIDAL has African-American ownership (at least in part) was a key factor in Prince's placement of his music with it. Brother to Brother, so to speak. Phaedra is the one who knows the facts on this agreement. I am sure.

Except they are really owned by a Swedish company. I even read that in the court docs . I don't understand this but Jz bought shares from Aspire.

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^^nod^^

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #412 posted 12/19/16 5:51pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

I had mentioned this before, but I think the fact that TIDAL has African-American ownership (at least in part) was a key factor in Prince's placement of his music with it. Brother to Brother, so to speak. Phaedra is the one who knows the facts on this agreement. I am sure.

Of course that was the reason he wanted to do business with TIDAL and I believe that is the reason people have been throwing shade at the company from the start. Same thing happend when Oprah started OWN and now look at it.

I believe Phaedra has a lot to do with this and I think those documents she provided is the reason the bulk of the music is still up on Tidal. More going on with this then we know.

Oh c'mon boo thats not the reason. TIDAL and Jay Z is FULL of doo doo and what turned people off from it was the arrogant and self titled marketing roll out by the company and Jay Z. Jay doesn't even own TIDAL! Its obnoxious how Jay Z and those other celebs did that whole press conference, trying to persuade consumers to sign up for TIDAL because it would be good "for artists and help artists" as if we are some foolish peasants that need to continue to give money to millionaires solely because of who they ARE. You dag on right, people had every right to call TIDAL out. A white man owns TIDAL anyway, not Jay Z, he owns a small stake in the company but not majority. Jay Z probably fed Prince a bunch of lies.



Exec: Jay-Z Isn’t Majority Owner of Tidal https://screen.yahoo.com/...rc=default via @yahooScreen

Tidal chief investment officer Vania Schlogel explains to the WSJ’s Lee Hawkins that, contrary to public perception, Tidal is not owned only by Jay-Z, but by a consortium of more than a dozen major artists.

The CEO is Peter Tonstad, and he is a white man.

All the staff at TIDAL are white, where did yall get Black owned business at??? Oh that is right, yall got it from the Camels mouth LMAO

LIKE I SAID, and have been saying for the millionth time, Jay Z is full of SHIT biggrin

Reply #413 posted 12/19/16 6:06pm

mjscarousal

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

Everything I am saying is in line with the court docs. TIDAL is stalling with presenting documents with proper figures because they dont have any. You are choosing to believe that they have proof of agreement and documentation but that does not mean I am going off of emotions. I find it truly bizarre you defend TIDAL so passionately despite their questionable behavior towards Prince.

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I understand where you are coming from, MJS and I agree. Given the fact that Prince trusted JayZ, and then for them to be acting this way after Prince's death speaks in volumes about their character.

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I think when there are verbal deals, a lot of emotions DO in fact play into it. That's the kind of guy Prince was; if he felt a connection to you, and he could trust you (and he trusted very few), then he expected you to carry out and respect his wishes.

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Character is everything. You can talk b.s. all day but at the end of the day, it is your "actions" that define who you truly are!

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Just giving my 2-cents. biggrin

nod Character is indeed everything. Prince talked highly of Jay Z because he trusted him and believed in him (although he was misled by Jay Z). He probably lied to Prince and told him that he owned TIDAL although he doesnt. Jay Z is a clown. I feel its natural for any fan to become emotional if they feel someone they admire has been used or taken advantage of.

Reply #414 posted 12/20/16 4:10am

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

The CEO is Peter Tonstad, and he is a white man.

All the staff at TIDAL are white, where did yall get Black owned business at??? Oh that is right, yall got it from the Camels mouth LMAO

LIKE I SAID, and have been saying for the millionth time, Jay Z is full of SHIT biggrin

He is a large shareholder of the company. Entertainers had an opportunity to gain shares in the company and to receive a larger royalty. If the company is based in Swenden how the hell would all of the employees be black? You start with buying stock and working your way up. Oprah Winfrey had stock options in King World the company that owned her show and the company she worked for. When King World was sold she cashed in her options and brought the studio were the show was recorded and started her own production company. My point here is she started off as a shareholder and became an owner. Prince said he liked the fact that Tidal was a new company getting off the ground and he liked to support new businesses. We has a people need to start thinking five years ahead and stop being worker bees. I think that is all Prince, Jay-Z and the other entertainers involved are trying to do. Remember people laughed when Prince had a subscription music service 15 years ago. Now the streaming services are laughing all the way to the the bank and the artist are crying.

Reply #415 posted 12/20/16 5:10am

Lovejunky

laurarichardson said:

He is a large shareholder of the company. Entertainers had an opportunity to gain shares in the company and to receive a larger royalty. If the company is based in Swenden how the hell would all of the employees be black? You start with buying stock and working your way up. Oprah Winfrey had stock options in King World the company that owned her show and the company she worked for. When King World was sold she cashed in her options and brought the studio were the show was recorded and started her own production company. My point here is she started off as a shareholder and became an owner. Prince said he liked the fact that Tidal was a new company getting off the ground and he liked to support new businesses. We has a people need to start thinking five years ahead and stop being worker bees. I think that is all Prince, Jay-Z and the other entertainers involved are trying to do. Remember people laughed when Prince had a subscription music service 15 years ago. Now the streaming services are laughing all the way to the the bank and the artist are crying.

I see it the same way Laura.I have no vested interest in JAY Z at all, Its not about Liking him or not.
THE business decisions made by him and Prince are Visionairy and somewhat strategic.

I still cant believe that anyone thinks that Prince didnt know what he was doing...??

Or that he was tricked...

He and Jayz were making a move that both believed was going to benefit all artists.

NOW unfortunatley all this negativity towards JAYZ may actually twart what he and Prince were attempting to do.

JayZ has rapped in a song

Prince left his Masters where they are Safe and SOund

We aint ever gonna let the Elevator bring him down"

I believe him..I dont know why...My GUT Tells me that Jay Z has a lot of LOVE and Respect for Prince....

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #416 posted 12/20/16 5:54am

laurarichardson

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

I see it the same way Laura.I have no vested interest in JAY Z at all, Its not about Liking him or not.
THE business decisions made by him and Prince are Visionairy and somewhat strategic.

I still cant believe that anyone thinks that Prince didnt know what he was doing...??

Or that he was tricked...

He and Jayz were making a move that both believed was going to benefit all artists.

NOW unfortunatley all this negativity towards JAYZ may actually twart what he and Prince were attempting to do.

JayZ has rapped in a song

Prince left his Masters where they are Safe and SOund

We aint ever gonna let the Elevator bring him down"

I believe him..I dont know why...My GUT Tells me that Jay Z has a lot of LOVE and Respect for Prince....

Very good points. I wish people would stop being emotional and stop bringing their hate for hip-hop and Jay-Z into the picture. The courts docs say their was a Equity Term Agreement as well as verbal agreements both Breamer and Roc Nation/Tidal agree that there was a 90 day exclusity clause so the question is why did Breamer not just put the music on other platforms since 90 days has long passed while they wait for the Federal case to be heard?

Reply #417 posted 12/20/16 6:44am

Lovejunky

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

I see it the same way Laura.I have no vested interest in JAY Z at all, Its not about Liking him or not.
THE business decisions made by him and Prince are Visionairy and somewhat strategic.

I still cant believe that anyone thinks that Prince didnt know what he was doing...??

Or that he was tricked...

He and Jayz were making a move that both believed was going to benefit all artists.

NOW unfortunatley all this negativity towards JAYZ may actually twart what he and Prince were attempting to do.

JayZ has rapped in a song

Prince left his Masters where they are Safe and SOund

We aint ever gonna let the Elevator bring him down"

I believe him..I dont know why...My GUT Tells me that Jay Z has a lot of LOVE and Respect for Prince....

Very good points. I wish people would stop being emotional and stop bringing their hate for hip-hop and Jay-Z into the picture. The courts docs say their was a Equity Term Agreement as well as verbal agreements both Breamer and Roc Nation/Tidal agree that there was a 90 day exclusity clause so the question is why did Breamer not just put the music on other platforms since 90 days has long passed while they wait for the Federal case to be heard?

If there is TRUTH in The Rap..then Maybe JAYZ does have access to Princes Masters..and in having them, it would be obvious that he got them from ONLY ONE Source .

If Prince Gave JAYZ access and They are safe and sound with JAY Z (though I cant imagine that Phaedra doest have some control somwhere) the this is really not about anyone else except Phaedra and JAYZ coming to some Mutual understnding where SHE is satisfied that his wishes are being carried out (becasue SHE would know more than anyone ) and JAYZ is satisfied that HIS agreement with Prince is Honoured !

Also Maybe Breamer and "The Estate" are not sure what exactly Prince wanted and the thought that it may all be up to Phaedra and Jay Z is beyond them ????

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #418 posted 12/20/16 6:44am

Lovejunky

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

I see it the same way Laura.I have no vested interest in JAY Z at all, Its not about Liking him or not.
THE business decisions made by him and Prince are Visionairy and somewhat strategic.

I still cant believe that anyone thinks that Prince didnt know what he was doing...??

Or that he was tricked...

He and Jayz were making a move that both believed was going to benefit all artists.

NOW unfortunatley all this negativity towards JAYZ may actually twart what he and Prince were attempting to do.

JayZ has rapped in a song

Prince left his Masters where they are Safe and SOund

We aint ever gonna let the Elevator bring him down"

I believe him..I dont know why...My GUT Tells me that Jay Z has a lot of LOVE and Respect for Prince....

Very good points. I wish people would stop being emotional and stop bringing their hate for hip-hop and Jay-Z into the picture. The courts docs say their was a Equity Term Agreement as well as verbal agreements both Breamer and Roc Nation/Tidal agree that there was a 90 day exclusity clause so the question is why did Breamer not just put the music on other platforms since 90 days has long passed while they wait for the Federal case to be heard?

If there is TRUTH in The Rap..then Maybe JAYZ does have access to Princes Masters..and in having them, it would be obvious that he got them from ONLY ONE Source .

If Prince Gave JAYZ access and They are safe and sound with JAY Z (though I cant imagine that Phaedra doest have some control somwhere) the this is really not about anyone else except Phaedra and JAYZ coming to some Mutual understnding where SHE is satisfied that his wishes are being carried out (becasue SHE would know more than anyone ) and JAYZ is satisfied that HIS agreement with Prince is Honoured !

Also Maybe Breamer and "The Estate" are not sure what exactly Prince wanted and the thought that it may all be up to Phaedra and Jay Z is beyond them ????

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #419 posted 12/20/16 12:10pm

cloveringold85

MJS: Great find! Thanks for sharing that info and Pic! Interesting to know that Tidal is owned by a white man and run/operated by white people. I didn't think that JayZ had the business smarts to start-up a company all on his own. He obviously had a lot of help!

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And, what's with the people who are flashing the "666" sign? eek

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mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

The CEO is Peter Tonstad, and he is a white man.

All the staff at TIDAL are white, where did yall get Black owned business at??? Oh that is right, yall got it from the Camels mouth LMAO

LIKE I SAID, and have been saying for the millionth time, Jay Z is full of SHIT biggrin

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #420 posted 12/20/16 12:13pm

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

MJS: Great find! Thanks for sharing that info and Pic! Interesting to know that Tidal is owned by a white man and run/operated by white people. I didn't think that JayZ had the business smarts to start-up a company all on his own. He obviously had a lot of help!

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And, what's with the people who are flashing the "666" sign? eek

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mjscarousal said:

Did you miss what I wrote about him being a large shareholder? How do you think people become wealthy? They buy into business that already exsist.

Reply #421 posted 12/20/16 12:14pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I understand where you are coming from, MJS and I agree. Given the fact that Prince trusted JayZ, and then for them to be acting this way after Prince's death speaks in volumes about their character.

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I think when there are verbal deals, a lot of emotions DO in fact play into it. That's the kind of guy Prince was; if he felt a connection to you, and he could trust you (and he trusted very few), then he expected you to carry out and respect his wishes.

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Character is everything. You can talk b.s. all day but at the end of the day, it is your "actions" that define who you truly are!

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Just giving my 2-cents. biggrin

nod Character is indeed everything. Prince talked highly of Jay Z because he trusted him and believed in him (although he was misled by Jay Z). He probably lied to Prince and told him that he owned TIDAL although he doesnt. Jay Z is a clown. I feel its natural for any fan to become emotional if they feel someone they admire has been used or taken advantage of.

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I agree! I'm a real stickler when it comes to people's character. A person's actions speak the TRUTH. I agree that Prince was taken advantage of. When he gave that interview (I forget with who), he got the figures wrong on how many people subscribe to Spotify vs. Tidal. Maybe he was just being vague and was just picking a number, I dunno. I think Prince was a very emotional guy, and he probably felt he could trust JayZ at the time. Well, we will just have to sit back and see how this all plays out.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #422 posted 12/20/16 12:20pm

cloveringold85

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

I see it the same way Laura.I have no vested interest in JAY Z at all, Its not about Liking him or not.
THE business decisions made by him and Prince are Visionairy and somewhat strategic.

I still cant believe that anyone thinks that Prince didnt know what he was doing...??

Or that he was tricked...

He and Jayz were making a move that both believed was going to benefit all artists.

NOW unfortunatley all this negativity towards JAYZ may actually twart what he and Prince were attempting to do.

JayZ has rapped in a song

Prince left his Masters where they are Safe and SOund

We aint ever gonna let the Elevator bring him down"

I believe him..I dont know why...My GUT Tells me that Jay Z has a lot of LOVE and Respect for Prince....

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I understand that Prince was a big supporter in helping out new businesses, and new artists, etc. But the fact that Tidal has not brought forth supporting documents just makes them look bad and dishonest, imo.

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It's ironic that JayZ wrote that song with those lyrics "we got his masters safe and sound", and then Prince died. eek

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JayZ is a former drug dealer and I'm sure he associates with a lot of shady people and conducts shady business deals. What I find really odd is that Prince was so against drugs, yet he was making business deals with JayZ? eek

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By the way, I haven't seen JayZ or heard him speak out about Prince's death or have any type of tributes, unless I missed them?

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #423 posted 12/20/16 12:22pm

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

nod Character is indeed everything. Prince talked highly of Jay Z because he trusted him and believed in him (although he was misled by Jay Z). He probably lied to Prince and told him that he owned TIDAL although he doesnt. Jay Z is a clown. I feel its natural for any fan to become emotional if they feel someone they admire has been used or taken advantage of.

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I agree! I'm a real stickler when it comes to people's character. A person's actions speak the TRUTH. I agree that Prince was taken advantage of. When he gave that interview (I forget with who), he got the figures wrong on how many people subscribe to Spotify vs. Tidal. Maybe he was just being vague and was just picking a number, I dunno. I think Prince was a very emotional guy, and he probably felt he could trust JayZ at the time. Well, we will just have to sit back and see how this all plays out.

I don't think anyone took advantage of Prince. He taking those drugs I believe he knew the risk.

Reply #424 posted 12/20/16 12:23pm

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

I see it the same way Laura.I have no vested interest in JAY Z at all, Its not about Liking him or not.
THE business decisions made by him and Prince are Visionairy and somewhat strategic.

I still cant believe that anyone thinks that Prince didnt know what he was doing...??

Or that he was tricked...

He and Jayz were making a move that both believed was going to benefit all artists.

NOW unfortunatley all this negativity towards JAYZ may actually twart what he and Prince were attempting to do.

JayZ has rapped in a song

Prince left his Masters where they are Safe and SOund

We aint ever gonna let the Elevator bring him down"

I believe him..I dont know why...My GUT Tells me that Jay Z has a lot of LOVE and Respect for Prince....

Very good points. I wish people would stop being emotional and stop bringing their hate for hip-hop and Jay-Z into the picture. The courts docs say their was a Equity Term Agreement as well as verbal agreements both Breamer and Roc Nation/Tidal agree that there was a 90 day exclusity clause so the question is why did Breamer not just put the music on other platforms since 90 days has long passed while they wait for the Federal case to be heard?

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I have nothing against hip-hop. I actually enjoy hip-hop music. I just don't like JayZ. I don't care for his music at all, and his music is not something that Prince would ever make or produce. Actually Prince looked down on a lot of rap music because there is not much creativity to rap music with regards to playing instruments. I mean, Prince could play over 20 instruments. Rap music does not involve much creativity......now, some rap is great, and some not so great. Sorry, not trying to get off-topic here.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #425 posted 12/20/16 12:24pm

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

Lovejunky said:

I see it the same way Laura.I have no vested interest in JAY Z at all, Its not about Liking him or not.
THE business decisions made by him and Prince are Visionairy and somewhat strategic.

I still cant believe that anyone thinks that Prince didnt know what he was doing...??

Or that he was tricked...

He and Jayz were making a move that both believed was going to benefit all artists.

NOW unfortunatley all this negativity towards JAYZ may actually twart what he and Prince were attempting to do.

JayZ has rapped in a song

Prince left his Masters where they are Safe and SOund

We aint ever gonna let the Elevator bring him down"

I believe him..I dont know why...My GUT Tells me that Jay Z has a lot of LOVE and Respect for Prince....

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I understand that Prince was a big supporter in helping out new businesses, and new artists, etc. But the fact that Tidal has not brought forth supporting documents just makes them look bad and dishonest, imo.

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It's ironic that JayZ wrote that song with those lyrics "we got his masters safe and sound", and then Prince died. eek

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JayZ is a former drug dealer and I'm sure he associates with a lot of shady people and conducts shady business deals. What I find really odd is that Prince was so against drugs, yet he was making business deals with JayZ? eek

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By the way, I haven't seen JayZ or heard him speak out about Prince's death or have any type of tributes, unless I missed them?

Why is the music still up on Tidal? You can go to YOUTUBE and have material taken down immediatly for copyright infringement. There has to be an agreement for that material to still be up on that site. Tidal does not have to give info to Breamer they will have to give paperwork in Federal court so we shall see soon but more is going on in this case them we know.

Reply #426 posted 12/20/16 12:26pm

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

MJS: Great find! Thanks for sharing that info and Pic! Interesting to know that Tidal is owned by a white man and run/operated by white people. I didn't think that JayZ had the business smarts to start-up a company all on his own. He obviously had a lot of help!

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And, what's with the people who are flashing the "666" sign? eek

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Did you miss what I wrote about him being a large shareholder? How do you think people become wealthy? They buy into business that already exsist.

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Laura: Yes, I saw what you posted about JayZ being a large shareholder. I'm trying to catch up with all the comments from yesterday! LOL lol

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #427 posted 12/20/16 12:32pm

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I understand that Prince was a big supporter in helping out new businesses, and new artists, etc. But the fact that Tidal has not brought forth supporting documents just makes them look bad and dishonest, imo.

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It's ironic that JayZ wrote that song with those lyrics "we got his masters safe and sound", and then Prince died. eek

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JayZ is a former drug dealer and I'm sure he associates with a lot of shady people and conducts shady business deals. What I find really odd is that Prince was so against drugs, yet he was making business deals with JayZ? eek

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By the way, I haven't seen JayZ or heard him speak out about Prince's death or have any type of tributes, unless I missed them?

Why is the music still up on Tidal? You can go to YOUTUBE and have material taken down immediatly for copyright infringement. There has to be an agreement for that material to still be up on that site. Tidal does not have to give info to Breamer they will have to give paperwork in Federal court so we shall see soon but more is going on in this case them we know.

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Well, the fact that Tidal still has Prince's music available leads us to believe that it's legit, or like you said, the Judge is allowing the music to be up for a said period of time.

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Here is the way I look at it; if someone claims they have rights to something -- whatever it may be, just show PROOF and put it all to bed already! If they have nothing to hide, then what is the big deal -- what is the delay?

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Like you said, there has to be more going on here than we know.

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If Tidal has rights, then fine. I have no problem with that. But, if they are streaming music that they aren't supposed to be, then it should be taken down. The rules are the rules and should apply to everyone, not just a select few. Just saying.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #428 posted 12/20/16 1:49pm

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



cloveringold85 said:


 


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I understand that Prince was a big supporter in helping out new businesses, and new artists, etc.  But the fact that Tidal has not brought forth supporting documents just makes them look bad and dishonest, imo.


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It's ironic that JayZ wrote that song with those lyrics "we got his masters safe and sound", and then Prince died.  eek


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JayZ is a former drug dealer and I'm sure he associates with a lot of shady people and conducts shady business deals.  What I find really odd is that Prince was so against drugs, yet he was making business deals with JayZ?  eek


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By the way, I haven't seen JayZ or heard him speak out about Prince's death or have any type of tributes, unless I missed them?


 


 



Why is the music still up on Tidal?  You can go to YOUTUBE and have material taken down immediatly for copyright infringement. There has to be an agreement for that material to still be up on that site. Tidal does not have to give info to Breamer they will have to give paperwork in Federal court so we shall see soon but more is going on in this case them we know. 



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Well, the fact that Tidal still has Prince's music available leads us to believe that it's legit, or like you said, the Judge is allowing the music to be up for a said period of time.


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Here is the way I look at it; if someone claims they have rights to something -- whatever it may be, just show PROOF and put it all to bed already!  If they have nothing to hide, then what is the big deal -- what is the delay?


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Like you said, there has to be more going on here than we know.


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If Tidal has rights, then fine.  I have no problem with that.  But, if they are streaming music that they aren't supposed to be, then it should be taken down.  The rules are the rules and should apply to everyone, not just a select few.  Just saying.


 


 


 


Well some of it has been taken down but the bulk of it is up. Tidal maybe holding on to docs because the info is proprietary info and they do not want the financial aspects to be revealed to Breamer since Breamer is supposed to be montizing the estate. They did not have to give Breamer anything and I would hope Breamer was able to get some information from Phedra.
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Reply #429 posted 12/20/16 2:10pm

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Well, the fact that Tidal still has Prince's music available leads us to believe that it's legit, or like you said, the Judge is allowing the music to be up for a said period of time.

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Here is the way I look at it; if someone claims they have rights to something -- whatever it may be, just show PROOF and put it all to bed already! If they have nothing to hide, then what is the big deal -- what is the delay?

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Like you said, there has to be more going on here than we know.

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If Tidal has rights, then fine. I have no problem with that. But, if they are streaming music that they aren't supposed to be, then it should be taken down. The rules are the rules and should apply to everyone, not just a select few. Just saying.

Well some of it has been taken down but the bulk of it is up. Tidal maybe holdi g on to docs be uses it proprietary info and they do not want the financial aspects to be revealed to Breamer since Breamer is supposed to be montizing the estate. They did not have to give the anything and I would hope Breamer was able to get some information from Phedra.

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Yes, Tidal is probably waiting until the new administrator takes over in January, I'm guessing.

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I would think that Tidal will have to eventually submit documents to support their claims. Sooner or later, the Cat will be out of the bag!! kitty

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #430 posted 12/20/16 3:27pm

oliviacamron

My twocents. Tidal/ Aspire had Warner's Bros logo at the bottom of their webpage. Beyonce wore a dress with Satan on it. If there is an Illuminati, she is in it or she's trying to make you think she is. . Kanye already told us Jz is murderer. Oh yeah, and Beyonce Day declared in Minnesota right after Prince died? I don't care if Tidal paid Prince or not. He died, everything belongs to the heirs. I think Prince would side with his sister. Prince partially raised her. There has to be some bond between them.
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I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #431 posted 12/20/16 4:16pm

cloveringold85

oliviacamron said:

My twocents. Tidal/ Aspire had Warner's Bros logo at the bottom of their webpage. Beyonce wore a dress with Satan on it. If there is an Illuminati, she is in it or she's trying to make you think she is. . Kanye already told us Jz is murderer. Oh yeah, and Beyonce Day declared in Minnesota right after Prince died? I don't care if Tidal paid Prince or not. He died, everything belongs to the heirs. I think Prince would side with his sister. Prince partially raised her. There has to be some bond between them. [Edited 12/20/16 15:30pm]

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Oh boy! You might get some retaliation for mentioning the "Illuminati" here! johnwoo eek ohgoon

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Well, Beyonce got hooked-up with JayZ and went to the dark side. She married a former drug addict, so what does that say?eek

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Kanye said: "JayZ, I know you got killers." Then, he was locked up in the psychiatric ward. wacky

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I agree; whatever Prince had left in his estate, should go to his siblings. But, what about his music? I don't think it should be exclusive to Tidal, but it seems this was Prince's wish? I don't want to support Tidal, knowing how they operate and who they associate with. eek

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In time, the truth shall be known. We hope!! beg

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #432 posted 12/20/16 5:53pm

Lovejunky

Speaking strictly FOR MYSELF

I will support Princes Music on whatever Platform it appears on...

I really dont care..I want it OUT THERE

I want it heard

I want his message of LOVE and PEACE to be Digested and understood by the WHOLE WORLD

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #433 posted 12/20/16 7:11pm

Lovejunky

ON December 8 VAN JONES has was Petitioned BY TYKA to be appointed as personal Representative of Princes Estate...

Good NEWS...

VAn loved admired repected and I believe UNDERSTOOD Prince...

Good Job TYka...

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #434 posted 12/20/16 8:07pm

XxAxX

mjscarousal said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I understand where you are coming from, MJS and I agree. Given the fact that Prince trusted JayZ, and then for them to be acting this way after Prince's death speaks in volumes about their character.

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I think when there are verbal deals, a lot of emotions DO in fact play into it. That's the kind of guy Prince was; if he felt a connection to you, and he could trust you (and he trusted very few), then he expected you to carry out and respect his wishes.

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Character is everything. You can talk b.s. all day but at the end of the day, it is your "actions" that define who you truly are!

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Just giving my 2-cents. biggrin

nod Character is indeed everything. Prince talked highly of Jay Z because he trusted him and believed in him (although he was misled by Jay Z). He probably lied to Prince and told him that he owned TIDAL although he doesnt. Jay Z is a clown. I feel its natural for any fan to become emotional if they feel someone they admire has been used or taken advantage of.

jubilant judaZ

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Reply #435 posted 12/20/16 8:15pm

XxAxX



TIDAL Teams With Prince To Live Stream Audio From "Rally 4 Peace" Baltimore Benefit Concert

from: http://prince.org/msg/7/416054

TIDAL Teams With Prince To Live Stream Audio From "Rally 4 Peace" Baltimore Benefit Concert

TIDAL Teams With Prince To Live Stream Audio From "Rally 4 Peace" Baltimore Benefit Concert COMMITS TO MATCHING CHARITABLE DONATIONS FROM FANS AND SUPPORTERS

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http://www.prnewswire.com..._cleartime

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NEW YORK, May 8, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- Today TIDAL announced, on Sunday, May 10, 2015, it will live stream audio from Prince & 3RDEYEGIRL's Mother's Day Rally 4 Peace benefit concert, pre-pay wall, during its TIDAL X: Baltimore event. TIDAL will be the exclusive destination to hear this historic live concert. Following a month of unrest, the Rally 4 Peace is meant to be a catalyst for pause and reflection following the outpouring of violence that has gripped Baltimore and areas throughout the US. Details surfaced last week about a protest song titled "Baltimore" Prince recently recorded in response to the civil unrest. The song was written following the death of 25-year old Freddie Gray and is a tribute to all of the people of Baltimore.

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The live stream will provide an opportunity for all people globally to experience the music and participate in a cultural moment that can inspire, motivate and provoke changes in our current climate. TIDAL's work to build a creative artist space made it appealing to the global superstar who has always supported a visionary approach.

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"TIDAL has the ability to create experiences that bring people together," said Vania Schlogel, Senior Executive for TIDAL. "We are privileged to partner with Prince so that people everywhere can share in this moment for healing and unity to support Baltimore youth through the power of music. Our dream is to be able to provide a limitless platform for all artists."

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"I am honored to join Prince in his mission to inspire through the uniting power of music and be able to offer a platform where this moment can be shared globally. We invite all to experience the music and contribute in their own way to promote peace, tolerance and understanding," added JAY Z. "Our prayers go out to Freddie Gray's family and every family affected by brutality and senseless violence."

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Fans and supporters can listen to TIDAL X: Baltimore by going to www.TIDAL.com. Alongside the free 60min audio stream, TIDAL's homepage will feature a "match funds" donation button to support local Baltimore youth charities. TIDAL is also providing the opportunity to support and donate to The Baltimore Justice Fund, whose mission it is to end racial discrimination, create schools that are welcoming and safe, reduce the impact of drug addiction and eliminate police brutality in Baltimore.

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Reply #436 posted 12/20/16 8:19pm

XxAxX



TIDAL's BIG Money Offer 2 PRINCE


from: http://prince.org/msg/7/418674

TIDAL's BIG Money Offer 2 PRINCE

A couple months ago I speculated a deal with TIDAL, when some mebers were saying that's not true, his music still streams on other streaming platforms... Well it was just confirmed by Josh Welton in a recent interview that not only did Prince make a specific deal with TIDAL to release old material from vaults, videos, songs, etc... But it was because Prince made a deal with TIDAL based on a financial agreement, paying what "Prince deserves" for his album HitnRun.

It will be interesting to see how he juggles his future venture with TIDAL as well as his recently signed deal again with WB.

My speculation is Phase 2 will be released via TIDAL and the new 3EG album and possibly a new Prince Free Urself album will be released by WB and maybe in the future the still anticipated Purple Rain Reissue...

Article:

http://www.contactmusic.com/prince/news/tidal-s-big-money-offer-to-prince_4908126

Prince decided to release 'HITNRUN' on TIDAL because they offered to pay him what he ''felt it was worth''.

The 57-year-old musician opted to share his latest album exclusively on Jay Z's streaming service and producer Joshua Welton admitted money played a big part, along with the respect Jay Z showed for Prince's music.

He said: ''We believe in high quality music, we believe in artists coming together, we believe in artist ownership, we believe in people and we believe in community. The fact that TIDAL was willing to even pay for the album what Prince felt it was worth, that just showed the appreciation that Jay Z has for music and for Prince. TIDAL were the only ones who said 'we're going to pay you directly for the work that you do'.

''It was a beautiful decision that Prince made, based just on relationships. I don't think it took Prince long to make the decision, and fortunately Hannah [Joshua's wife and 3RDEYEGIRL drummer] and I met with Jay Z at a listening party. He's a really great guy, and the level of greatness that he brings to the table just adds to the great cause.''

Joshua also revealed that 'HITNRUN' features some new sounds that fans will not have heard before.

He told Gigwise: ''I would definitely say that people will put this on and say 'I have never heard this sound on a Prince record before'. I've heard that said. There's definitely some stuff that will tickle your ears a little bit.

''Prince is a creative, so it's not like he's going to constantly create the same thing. There's new inspiration - it's constantly moving. I don't think people have heard him in this light before, but you'll definitely be able to turn it up loud and get your groove on to it.''

Reply #437 posted 12/20/16 8:23pm

XxAxX

i think it's interesting to note that Joshua Welton seems to be the only one who indicated that prince's entire catalog would be released.

most of the old threads on prince.org say prince was taking it project-by-project with tidal, as does the evidence of how the releases were handled.

one project at a time was released through tidal.

and then the business relationship between prince and JayZ seems to have soured


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http://prince.org/msg/7/418647 - 'purple pick of the week on Tidal' thread

http://prince.org/msg/7/418322?pr - This Could Be Us New version now on Tidal. (Update - Google Play and iTunes too)

http://prince.org/msg/7/418031 - New Prince song featuring Jay-Z

http://prince.org/msg/7/418005 - HITNRUN Tidal Exclusive Sept. 7th

http://prince.org/msg/7/419900- Jay-Z's musical diversity on Prince is not that diverese...

http://prince.org/msg/7/420507 - Tidal download shop
http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr - Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal concert?

http://prince.org/msg/7/422963?pr - HitnRun Phase Two Finally Gets Distribution

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the posts below are from the october 2015 thread about prince dropping out of the tidal
concert
from: http://prince.org/msg/12/...?&pg=7 -

Prince to Perform at Tidal X: 1020 in New York Oct. 20th??

Reply #202 posted 10/19/15 10:34pm

inspireof

35167.ava

JKOOLMUSIC said:

1 day prior to the SOLD OUT show that Prince MAY NOT appear at. 1,629 tickets remain unclaimed on Stubhub!! Sold out is a trick. You could be oversold or undersold and someone will still believe u otherwise.

Basically 1,629 prince fans trying to get rid of their tix.. I don't blame them I would've only bought a ticket for Prince in that lineup.... icon_wink.gif

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Btw here is confirmation of him not playing tonight...

Update: Prince (@Prince3EG) won't be performing at tonight's @TIDALHiFi concert http://p4k.co/TCGfo

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Reply #205 posted 10/20/15 12:27pm

nosajd

36736.ava

Prince & Co have been tweeting & deleting like mo' today.

He just retweeted:

AZDetroitLion @azcwillams @Prince3EG I get it...there will be Too Much Cursing on that stage tonight. #Peace


& deleted it

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Reply #216 posted 10/21/15 3:09am

Pentacle


I heard the show finished with Jay-Z burning a review of HitnRun on stage,

while 'Someday My Prince Will Come' was played over the PA.

Stop the Prince Apologists ™

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and THEN in december of 2015 prince talks about remastering his hits, in an interview with ebony magazine which was deleted shortly after publication.

http://prince.org/msg/7/420869 - NEW Ebony Interview: "Hopefully I'll be remastering... A new GREATEST HITS."

Thread started 12/22/15 1:40pm

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NEW Ebony Interview: "Hopefully I'll be remastering... A new GREATEST HITS."

New EBONY article:

By Miles Marshall Lewis

Prince asked me to keep some secrets. I may still have a few, truth be told. This past summer, a call went out to a few music journalists to visit the purple rock, Paisley Park Studios in Minneapolis. Joshua Welton, 25, had a few words to share about producing his first Prince project, Hit N Run. The operative word being “few.” After 10 minutes of talk, Prince himself entered Studio A and took over the conversation for two enlightening hours, discussing everything from Jay Z’s Tidal streaming service to the origins behind “Purple Rain” and “The Beautiful Ones,” and the reformation of The Time. Bob Seger, Esperanza Spalding, Kendrick Lamar and beyond.

Our couple of hours raced by faster than the accelerated voice of Camille. Then Prince disappeared, pulling up later in front of Paisley Park in a Cadillac sports car to play his already finished, secret follow-up to Hit N Run. On December 12, Hit N Run: Phase Two arrived on Tidal for streaming and digital download. So now you know. The following is a feverish transcription of more of our August convo from the summertime, previously unpublished. There may be more; Prince is full of secrets.



EBONY: Do you ever see yourself writing a memoir?

Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.

If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.


Read more here:

http://www.ebony.com/ente...z3v3mQ2Juo

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and a post from that thread from someone who read the article before it was yanked indicating that prince pulls the plug when people aren't faith-based:

Reply #132 posted 12/23/15 4:13am

TheBoneRanger

40958.ava

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I shouldn’t have read this interview. After the total disappointment of Phase Two, my enthusiasm for Prince’s music is nearly completely obliterated by all of the hyper religious mumbo jumbo, especially this passage:

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“I check people out now to see how faith-based they are and how real they are about it. That goes a long way, I gotta tell you. Because I can trust them. I can give him the key and don’t have to worry.”

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First, if he really believes that then he’s a fool. Second, perhaps I should see how "non faith-based" an artist is before I invest so much time and money into their music. And third, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.....someone should really get Prince in touch with Neil deGrasse Tyson....STAT!!!!

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I bet this interview was covertly recorded because it appears as if it was quoted verbatim. Even with taking notes I don’t think it would be possible to get this level of detail. That might be why it was yanked.....Prince knows it was recorded and that violated the terms of the interview.

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Hi-yo Silver, it's The Bone Ranger!


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and don't forget, after pleading guilty JayZ was criminally convicted for stabbing a producer http://www.mtv.com/news/1...-stabbing/


and he has admitted to being a drug dealer back in the day. http://money.cnn.com/2016...index.html

so in my personal view, that makes him unreliable and not trustworthy. in court i would not take his alleged 'verbal contract' with prince claim seriously at all.

ps: this is only my personal interpretation of JayZ's alleged entitlement to prince's entire catalog based on available ORG threads from the past.

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Reply #438 posted 12/20/16 8:40pm

oliviacamron

XxAxX said:

i think it's interesting to note that Joshua Welton seems to be the only one who indicated that prince's entire catalog would be released. 

most of the old threads on prince.org say prince was taking it project-by-project with tidal, as does the evidence of how the releases were handled. 

one project at a time was released through tidal.

and then the business relationship between prince and JayZ seems to have soured

more back-in-the-day discussions ahout the relationship with JayZ here:

http://prince.org/msg/7/418647 - 'purple pick of the week on Tidal' thread
http://prince.org/msg/7/418031 - New Prince song featuring Jay-Z
http://prince.org/msg/7/418005 - HITNRUN Tidal Exclusive Sept. 7th
http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr - Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal concert?


 


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oooweee ima bout to comb through this when I get time eek
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I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #439 posted 12/20/16 8:43pm

XxAxX

oliviacamron said:

XxAxX said:

i think it's interesting to note that Joshua Welton seems to be the only one who indicated that prince's entire catalog would be released.

most of the old threads on prince.org say prince was taking it project-by-project with tidal, as does the evidence of how the releases were handled.

one project at a time was released through tidal.

and then the business relationship between prince and JayZ seems to have soured

more back-in-the-day discussions ahout the relationship with JayZ here:

http://prince.org/msg/7/418647 - 'purple pick of the week on Tidal' thread
http://prince.org/msg/7/418031 - New Prince song featuring Jay-Z
http://prince.org/msg/7/418005 - HITNRUN Tidal Exclusive Sept. 7th
http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr - Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal concert?

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oooweee ima bout to comb through this when I get time eek [Edited 12/20/16 20:40pm]



sorry, i'm still editing/adding to the post..

my point is it is well documented right here at the ORG that prince released

one. project. at. a. time. through tidal and then something went wrong in october of 2015 and prince dropped out of the tidal concert

[Edited 12/20/16 20:43pm]

Reply #440 posted 12/20/16 9:38pm

oliviacamron

XxAxX said:

 



oliviacamron said:


XxAxX said:

i think it's interesting to note that Joshua Welton seems to be the only one who indicated that prince's entire catalog would be released. 

most of the old threads on prince.org say prince was taking it project-by-project with tidal, as does the evidence of how the releases were handled. 

one project at a time was released through tidal.

and then the business relationship between prince and JayZ seems to have soured

more back-in-the-day discussions ahout the relationship with JayZ here:

http://prince.org/msg/7/418647 - 'purple pick of the week on Tidal' thread
http://prince.org/msg/7/418031 - New Prince song featuring Jay-Z
http://prince.org/msg/7/418005 - HITNRUN Tidal Exclusive Sept. 7th
http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr - Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal concert?


 


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oooweee ima bout to comb through this when I get time eek [Edited 12/20/16 20:40pm]



sorry, i'm still editing/adding to the post..

my point is it is well documented right here at the ORG that prince released

one.  project. at. a. time.  through tidal and then something went wrong in october of 2015 and prince dropped out of the tidal concert

[Edited 12/20/16 20:43pm]


You rock XXX. I love you
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #441 posted 12/20/16 9:41pm

XxAxX

oliviacamron said:

XxAxX said:



sorry, i'm still editing/adding to the post..

my point is it is well documented right here at the ORG that prince released

one. project. at. a. time. through tidal and then something went wrong in october of 2015 and prince dropped out of the tidal concert

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You rock XXX. I love you

redface hug okay i think i'm done editing for now. ha! nope. wasn't done.... might be now though

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Reply #442 posted 12/20/16 10:36pm

mjscarousal

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

Very good points. I wish people would stop being emotional and stop bringing their hate for hip-hop and Jay-Z into the picture. The courts docs say their was a Equity Term Agreement as well as verbal agreements both Breamer and Roc Nation/Tidal agree that there was a 90 day exclusity clause so the question is why did Breamer not just put the music on other platforms since 90 days has long passed while they wait for the Federal case to be heard?

If there is TRUTH in The Rap..then Maybe JAYZ does have access to Princes Masters..and in having them, it would be obvious that he got them from ONLY ONE Source .

If Prince Gave JAYZ access and They are safe and sound with JAY Z (though I cant imagine that Phaedra doest have some control somwhere) the this is really not about anyone else except Phaedra and JAYZ coming to some Mutual understnding where SHE is satisfied that his wishes are being carried out (becasue SHE would know more than anyone ) and JAYZ is satisfied that HIS agreement with Prince is Honoured !

Also Maybe Breamer and "The Estate" are not sure what exactly Prince wanted and the thought that it may all be up to Phaedra and Jay Z is beyond them ????

Jay Z is a pathological liar, he does not own Prince masters. He is a poser in the highest form. He lies a lot about his business ventures and what he owns. He was rapping that he own the NETS NBA team and dude only owns 1.5% stake in the team. He is FRAUD just like his annoying wife.

Reply #443 posted 12/21/16 2:34am

laurarichardson

XxAxX said:

i think it's interesting to note that Joshua Welton seems to be the only one who indicated that prince's entire catalog would be released.

most of the old threads on prince.org say prince was taking it project-by-project with tidal, as does the evidence of how the releases were handled.

one project at a time was released through tidal.

and then the business relationship between prince and JayZ seems to have soured


*****


http://prince.org/msg/7/418647 - 'purple pick of the week on Tidal' thread


http://prince.org/msg/7/418322?pr - This Could Be Us New version now on Tidal. (Update - Google Play and iTunes too)


http://prince.org/msg/7/418031 - New Prince song featuring Jay-Z


http://prince.org/msg/7/418005 - HITNRUN Tidal Exclusive Sept. 7th


http://prince.org/msg/7/419900- Jay-Z's musical diversity on Prince is not that diverese...


http://prince.org/msg/7/420507 - Tidal download shop
http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr - Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal concert?


http://prince.org/msg/7/422963?pr - HitnRun Phase Two Finally Gets Distribution


*
the posts below are from the october 2015 thread about prince dropping out of the tidal
concert
from: http://prince.org/msg/12/419222?&pg=7 - 


Prince to Perform at Tidal X: 1020 in New York Oct. 20th??


 


 


Reply #202 posted 10/19/15 10:34pm


inspireof


35167.ava



 



JKOOLMUSIC said:


1 day prior to the SOLD OUT show that Prince MAY NOT appear at. 1,629 tickets remain unclaimed on Stubhub!! Sold out is a trick. You could be oversold or undersold and someone will still believe u otherwise.



 


Basically 1,629 prince fans trying to get rid of their tix.. I don't blame them I would've only bought a ticket for Prince in that lineup.... icon_wink.gif


 


.


Btw here is confirmation of him not playing tonight...



Update: Prince (@Prince3EG) won't be performing at tonight's @TIDALHiFi concert http://p4k.co/TCGfo


.



Reply #205 posted 10/20/15 12:27pm


nosajd


36736.ava



Prince & Co have been tweeting & deleting like mo' today.

He just retweeted:



AZDetroitLion @azcwillams @Prince3EG I get it...there will be Too Much Cursing on that stage tonight. #Peace




& deleted it



.


Reply #216 posted 10/21/15 3:09am


Pentacle




I heard the show finished with Jay-Z burning a review of HitnRun on stage,


while 'Someday My Prince Will Come' was played over the PA.



Stop the Prince Apologists ™

*****

and THEN in december of 2015 prince talks about remastering his hits, in an interview with ebony magazine which was deleted shortly after publication.

http://prince.org/msg/7/420869 - NEW Ebony Interview: "Hopefully I'll be remastering... A new GREATEST HITS."


Thread started 12/22/15 1:40pm


feeluupp¤


onnow.gif


NEW Ebony Interview: "Hopefully I'll be remastering... A new GREATEST HITS."



New EBONY article:

By Miles Marshall Lewis


 


 


Prince asked me to keep some secrets. I may still have a few, truth be told. This past summer, a call went out to a few music journalists to visit the purple rock, Paisley Park Studios in Minneapolis. Joshua Welton, 25, had a few words to share about producing his first Prince project, Hit N Run. The operative word being “few.” After 10 minutes of talk, Prince himself entered Studio A and took over the conversation for two enlightening hours, discussing everything from Jay Z’s Tidal streaming service to the origins behind “Purple Rain” and “The Beautiful Ones,” and the reformation of The Time. Bob Seger, Esperanza Spalding, Kendrick Lamar and beyond.


Our couple of hours raced by faster than the accelerated voice of Camille. Then Prince disappeared, pulling up later in front of Paisley Park in a Cadillac sports car to play his already finished, secret follow-up to Hit N Run. On December 12, Hit N Run: Phase Two arrived on Tidal for streaming and digital download. So now you know. The following is a feverish transcription of more of our August convo from the summertime, previously unpublished. There may be more; Prince is full of secrets.




EBONY: Do you ever see yourself writing a memoir?


Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.


If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”


So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.



Read more here:

http://www.ebony.com/ente...z3v3mQ2Juo



.

and a post from that thread from someone who read the article before it was yanked indicating that prince pulls the plug when people aren't faith-based:


Reply #132 posted 12/23/15 4:13am


TheBoneRanger


40958.ava



-


I shouldn’t have read this interview. After the total disappointment of Phase Two, my enthusiasm for Prince’s music is nearly completely obliterated by all of the hyper religious mumbo jumbo, especially this passage:


-


“I check people out now to see how faith-based they are and how real they are about it. That goes a long way, I gotta tell you. Because I can trust them. I can give him the key and don’t have to worry.”


-


First, if he really believes that then he’s a fool. Second, perhaps I should see how "non faith-based" an artist is before I invest so much time and money into their music. And third, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.....someone should really get Prince in touch with Neil deGrasse Tyson....STAT!!!!


-


I bet this interview was covertly recorded because it appears as if it was quoted verbatim. Even with taking notes I don’t think it would be possible to get this level of detail. That might be why it was yanked.....Prince knows it was recorded and that violated the terms of the interview.


-



Hi-yo Silver, it's The Bone Ranger!


*****




and don't forget, after pleading guilty JayZ was criminally convicted for stabbing a producer http://www.mtv.com/news/1451340/jay-z-gets-three-years-probation-for-un-rivera-stabbing/



and he has admitted to being a drug dealer back in the day. http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/01/media/jay-z-business-career/index.html

so in my personal view, that makes him unreliable and not trustworthy.  in court i would not take his alleged 'verbal contract' with prince claim seriously at all.


 


ps:  this is only my personal interpretation of JayZ's alleged entitlement to prince's entire catalog based on available ORG threads from the past.


[Edited 12/20/16 23:01pm]


-/-- Why did you post all this stuff? Prince not showing up to the Tidal concert means nothing. Do you realize that just a few weeks before he died he sent live tracks to Tidal. Do you think someone was controlling his brain and made his send those live tracks? He wanted to get upfront money from streaming services just like the services give up front money to record labels. He got that deal from Tidal/Aspire. The Ebony article was pulled but Ebony printed the article in full in there tribute edition in June so you can go read the article if you want to. Once again people need to stop taking their hate for Jay-z and transposing it on to Tidal he us just a large shareholder not the sole owner of the company. He also made an offer to be the administer of Prince music not buy the masters.
[Edited 12/21/16 3:46am]
Reply #444 posted 12/21/16 3:29am

Lovejunky

laurarichardson said:


-/-- Why did you post all this stuff? Prince not showing up to the Tidal concert means nothing. Do you realize that just a few weeks before he died he sent live tracks to Tidal. Do you think someone was controlling his brain and made him send those live tracks? He wanted to get upfront money from streaming services just like the services give up front money to record labels. He got that deal from Tidal/Aspire. The Ebony article was pulled but Ebony printed the article in full in there tribute edition in June so you can go read the article if you want to. Once again people need to stop taking their hate for Jay-z and transposing it on to Tidal he us just a large shareholder not the sole owner of the company. He also made an offer to be the administer of Prince music not buy the masters.

Once again Laura, Im on the same page...

How can anybody think that Prince did not know what he was doing,or that he was tricked or controlled. ?

They had a plan and there are clues to what that was.

It takes CLEAR Thinking and Laura I know you cop a lot of Flack from time to time, but

in this instance you have shown yourself to be an insighful impartial observer...



Offering to Administrate Princes Catalogue is a HUGE DEAL and whatever I may think about JAYZ He is well equipped to do this.

Further I do believe he is at heart very connected tp Prince, In a sense this is Jayz. opportunity to "Step UP"

It WILL Help TIdal long term and Tidal/JayZ and other shareholders will be small stakeholders in the distribution of one part of his legacy...

So what ?

Its Win Win as far as I see it...

[Edited 12/21/16 3:38am]

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #445 posted 12/21/16 3:48am

Lovejunky

mjscarousal said:

Lovejunky said:

If there is TRUTH in The Rap..then Maybe JAYZ does have access to Princes Masters..and in having them, it would be obvious that he got them from ONLY ONE Source .

If Prince Gave JAYZ access and They are safe and sound with JAY Z (though I cant imagine that Phaedra doest have some control somwhere) the this is really not about anyone else except Phaedra and JAYZ coming to some Mutual understnding where SHE is satisfied that his wishes are being carried out (becasue SHE would know more than anyone ) and JAYZ is satisfied that HIS agreement with Prince is Honoured !

Also Maybe Breamer and "The Estate" are not sure what exactly Prince wanted and the thought that it may all be up to Phaedra and Jay Z is beyond them ????

Jay Z is a pathological liar, he does not own Prince masters. He is a poser in the highest form. He lies a lot about his business ventures and what he owns. He was rapping that he own the NETS NBA team and dude only owns 1.5% stake in the team. He is FRAUD just like his annoying wife.

I dont particularly like Jayzs music, and he is an odd looking kind of Character,but somehow he is sitting at a table with, amongst others, Phaedra , Llondell, Tyka and now Van Jones as of Dec 8,,,

All these people LOVE Prince..They are wanting to do the best for him out of Love and Respect

I have absolute faith they will work out something..

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #446 posted 12/21/16 3:52am

laurarichardson

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:


-/-- Why did you post all this stuff? Prince not showing up to the Tidal concert means nothing. Do you realize that just a few weeks before he died he sent live tracks to Tidal. Do you think someone was controlling his brain and made him send those live tracks? He wanted to get upfront money from streaming services just like the services give up front money to record labels. He got that deal from Tidal/Aspire. The Ebony article was pulled but Ebony printed the article in full in there tribute edition in June so you can go read the article if you want to. Once again people need to stop taking their hate for Jay-z and transposing it on to Tidal he us just a large shareholder not the sole owner of the company. He also made an offer to be the administer of Prince music not buy the masters.

Once again Laura, Im on the same page...

How can anybody think that Prince did not know what he was doing,or that he was tricked or controlled. ?

They had a plan and there are clues to what that was.

It takes CLEAR Thinking and Laura I know you cop a lot of Flack from time to time, but

in this instance you have shown yourself to be an insighful impartial observer...



Offering to Administrate Princes Catalogue is a HUGE DEAL and whatever I may think about JAYZ He is well equipped to do this.

Further I do believe he is at heart very connected tp Prince, In a sense this is Jayz. opportunity to "Step UP"

It WILL Help TIdal long term and Tidal/JayZ and other shareholders will be small stakeholders in the distribution of one part of his legacy...

So what ?

Its Win Win as far as I see it...

[Edited 12/21/16 3:38am]

Thank you. What I think is that NPG LLC should continue to be the administrator with Phedra as the manager or some entertainment lawfirm managing maybe Van is going to help with that.

I think the music should stay on Tidal with all of the vault material being availble. Tidal has a download store you can buy the music from that store. I only think the music should go to Tidal for streaming if the financial aspects can be worked out. I also think it would be great if some of the music could be on other platforms later down the road it is just that the estate not going to get much money out of that right now.

Making that deal with Universal to me was awful. What if anything is Universal doing about bootlegs and YOUTUBE. I think their only interest is to put music is movies and T.V. shows so that can get their cut.

Reply #447 posted 12/21/16 4:13am

Lovejunky

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

Once again Laura, Im on the same page...

How can anybody think that Prince did not know what he was doing,or that he was tricked or controlled. ?

They had a plan and there are clues to what that was.

It takes CLEAR Thinking and Laura I know you cop a lot of Flack from time to time, but

in this instance you have shown yourself to be an insighful impartial observer...



Offering to Administrate Princes Catalogue is a HUGE DEAL and whatever I may think about JAYZ He is well equipped to do this.

Further I do believe he is at heart very connected tp Prince, In a sense this is Jayz. opportunity to "Step UP"

It WILL Help TIdal long term and Tidal/JayZ and other shareholders will be small stakeholders in the distribution of one part of his legacy...

So what ?

Its Win Win as far as I see it...

[Edited 12/21/16 3:38am]

Thank you. What I think is that NPG LLC should continue to be the administrator with Phedra as the manager or some entertainment lawfirm managing maybe Van is going to help with that.

I think the music should stay on Tidal with all of the vault material being availble. Tidal has a download store you can buy the music from that store. I only think the music should go to Tidal for streaming if the financial aspects can be worked out. I also think it would be great if some of the music could be on other platforms later down the road it is just that the estate not going to get much money out of that right now.

Making that deal with Universal to me was awful. What if anything is Universal doing about bootlegs and YOUTUBE. I think their only interest is to put music is movies and T.V. shows so that can get their cut.

In other words there are many slices to Princes pie, and naturally there is an opportunity to make Money.

I agree It needs to go on other Platforms, and it will..This is a solid start...after Tidal they can expand and Even jayZ could Administrte that.

Its up to Phaedra and Vin to see that the percentages are divided appropriately and according to what they know Princes more intimate thoughts.

Most interesting and speculative thread Im participating in..

Except for Prince and Religion . razz eek lol wildsign worship heart

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #448 posted 12/21/16 5:47am

XxAxX

laurarichardson said:

XxAxX said:

i think it's interesting to note that Joshua Welton seems to be the only one who indicated that prince's entire catalog would be released.

most of the old threads on prince.org say prince was taking it project-by-project with tidal, as does the evidence of how the releases were handled.

one project at a time was released through tidal.

and then the business relationship between prince and JayZ seems to have soured


******************************************************


http://prince.org/msg/7/418647 - 'purple pick of the week on Tidal' thread

http://prince.org/msg/7/418322?pr - This Could Be Us New version now on Tidal. (Update - Google Play and iTunes too)

http://prince.org/msg/7/418031 - New Prince song featuring Jay-Z

http://prince.org/msg/7/418005 - HITNRUN Tidal Exclusive Sept. 7th

http://prince.org/msg/7/419900- Jay-Z's musical diversity on Prince is not that diverese...

http://prince.org/msg/7/420507 - Tidal download shop
http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr - Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal concert?

http://prince.org/msg/7/422963?pr - HitnRun Phase Two Finally Gets Distribution

*
the posts below are from the october 2015 thread about prince dropping out of the tidal
concert
from: http://prince.org/msg/12/...?&pg=7 -

Prince to Perform at Tidal X: 1020 in New York Oct. 20th??

Reply #202 posted 10/19/15 10:34pm

inspireof

35167.ava

Basically 1,629 prince fans trying to get rid of their tix.. I don't blame them I would've only bought a ticket for Prince in that lineup.... icon_wink.gif

.

Btw here is confirmation of him not playing tonight...

Update: Prince (@Prince3EG) won't be performing at tonight's @TIDALHiFi concert http://p4k.co/TCGfo

.

Reply #205 posted 10/20/15 12:27pm

nosajd

36736.ava

Prince & Co have been tweeting & deleting like mo' today.

He just retweeted:

AZDetroitLion @azcwillams @Prince3EG I get it...there will be Too Much Cursing on that stage tonight. #Peace


& deleted it

.

Reply #216 posted 10/21/15 3:09am

Pentacle


I heard the show finished with Jay-Z burning a review of HitnRun on stage,

while 'Someday My Prince Will Come' was played over the PA.

Stop the Prince Apologists ™

*********************************************************

and THEN in december of 2015 prince talks about remastering his hits, in an interview with ebony magazine which was deleted shortly after publication.

http://prince.org/msg/7/420869 - NEW Ebony Interview: "Hopefully I'll be remastering... A new GREATEST HITS."

Thread started 12/22/15 1:40pm

feeluupp¤

onnow.gif

NEW Ebony Interview: "Hopefully I'll be remastering... A new GREATEST HITS."

New EBONY article:

By Miles Marshall Lewis

Prince asked me to keep some secrets. I may still have a few, truth be told. This past summer, a call went out to a few music journalists to visit the purple rock, Paisley Park Studios in Minneapolis. Joshua Welton, 25, had a few words to share about producing his first Prince project, Hit N Run. The operative word being “few.” After 10 minutes of talk, Prince himself entered Studio A and took over the conversation for two enlightening hours, discussing everything from Jay Z’s Tidal streaming service to the origins behind “Purple Rain” and “The Beautiful Ones,” and the reformation of The Time. Bob Seger, Esperanza Spalding, Kendrick Lamar and beyond.

Our couple of hours raced by faster than the accelerated voice of Camille. Then Prince disappeared, pulling up later in front of Paisley Park in a Cadillac sports car to play his already finished, secret follow-up to Hit N Run. On December 12, Hit N Run: Phase Two arrived on Tidal for streaming and digital download. So now you know. The following is a feverish transcription of more of our August convo from the summertime, previously unpublished. There may be more; Prince is full of secrets.



EBONY: Do you ever see yourself writing a memoir?

Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.

If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.


Read more here:

http://www.ebony.com/ente...z3v3mQ2Juo

.

and a post from that thread from someone who read the article before it was yanked indicating that prince pulls the plug when people aren't faith-based:

Reply #132 posted 12/23/15 4:13am

TheBoneRanger

40958.ava

-

I shouldn’t have read this interview. After the total disappointment of Phase Two, my enthusiasm for Prince’s music is nearly completely obliterated by all of the hyper religious mumbo jumbo, especially this passage:

-

“I check people out now to see how faith-based they are and how real they are about it. That goes a long way, I gotta tell you. Because I can trust them. I can give him the key and don’t have to worry.”

-

First, if he really believes that then he’s a fool. Second, perhaps I should see how "non faith-based" an artist is before I invest so much time and money into their music. And third, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.....someone should really get Prince in touch with Neil deGrasse Tyson....STAT!!!!

-

I bet this interview was covertly recorded because it appears as if it was quoted verbatim. Even with taking notes I don’t think it would be possible to get this level of detail. That might be why it was yanked.....Prince knows it was recorded and that violated the terms of the interview.

-

Hi-yo Silver, it's The Bone Ranger!


**********************************************************


and don't forget, after pleading guilty JayZ was criminally convicted for stabbing a producer http://www.mtv.com/news/1...-stabbing/


and he has admitted to being a drug dealer back in the day. http://money.cnn.com/2016...index.html

so in my personal view, that makes him unreliable and not trustworthy. in court i would not take his alleged 'verbal contract' with prince claim seriously at all.

ps: this is only my personal interpretation of JayZ's alleged entitlement to prince's entire catalog based on available ORG threads from the past.

[Edited 12/20/16 23:01pm]

-/-- Why did you post all this stuff? Prince not showing up to the Tidal concert means nothing. Do you realize that just a few weeks before he died he sent live tracks to Tidal. Do you think someone was controlling his brain and made his send those live tracks? He wanted to get upfront money from streaming services just like the services give up front money to record labels. He got that deal from Tidal/Aspire. The Ebony article was pulled but Ebony printed the article in full in there tribute edition in June so you can go read the article if you want to. Once again people need to stop taking their hate for Jay-z and transposing it on to Tidal he us just a large shareholder not the sole owner of the company. He also made an offer to be the administer of Prince music not buy the masters. [Edited 12/21/16 3:46am]



wtf???? laura, please read what is posted before reacting with anger okay?? wtf is that part you tossed in about mind control? weird much???

the bolded bit above is my point. based on threads here at prince.org, it seems like prince was doing work with tidal on a project-by-project basis. that's what the threads here seem to indicate.

so i think it goes to show that prince never simply handed JayZ his entire catalog the way JayZ claims prince did.

again this is only my opinion as i clearly stated above. i am allowed to think differently from you and post my differing opinion here, right? please don't attack me for expressing my opinion.

and remember your opinions are also based upon speculation, no matter how strongly you believe yourself to be correct.

there was no need for you to make shit up and toss it in gratuitously like that bit about mind control.

that sort of behavior is what makes prince.org so ugly. everyone here is convinced their point of view is the only correct point of view and then resort to attacking others who think differently.

i notice moderator June7 had to snip a few of your posts earlier in this thread so please refrain from going there again.

prince org is not and never was supposed to be about who can hit the hardest, it was supposed to be a discussion forum, for people to discuss various ideas.

just live and let live.

besides, until actual facts come out and JayZ proves up his claims, all of this is speculation here anyway, even on your part.

thanks.

[Edited 12/21/16 6:44am]

Reply #449 posted 12/21/16 6:44am

1Sasha

There may be some people on the org who know intimate details about Prince's business dealings and all that has happened since he was found eight months ago today. I sure don't. I don't think it is worth arguing about. The only true facts are Prince died and the immediate cause of death was a Fentanyl overdose. We are all speculating and therefore all opinions should be welcome and reviewed, not trashed because they do not fit with a particular mindset. If somebody reading this has THE FACTS, then write them here for all to see. Otherwise ...

Reply #450 posted 12/21/16 7:33am

laurarichardson

XxAxX said:

laurarichardson said:

XxAxX said: -/-- Why did you post all this stuff? Prince not showing up to the Tidal concert means nothing. Do you realize that just a few weeks before he died he sent live tracks to Tidal. Do you think someone was controlling his brain and made his send those live tracks? He wanted to get upfront money from streaming services just like the services give up front money to record labels. He got that deal from Tidal/Aspire. The Ebony article was pulled but Ebony printed the article in full in there tribute edition in June so you can go read the article if you want to. Once again people need to stop taking their hate for Jay-z and transposing it on to Tidal he us just a large shareholder not the sole owner of the company. He also made an offer to be the administer of Prince music not buy the masters. [Edited 12/21/16 3:46am]



wtf???? laura, please read what is posted before reacting with anger okay?? wtf is that part you tossed in about mind control? weird much???

the bolded bit above is my point. based on threads here at prince.org, it seems like prince was doing work with tidal on a project-by-project basis. that's what the threads here seem to indicate.

so i think it goes to show that prince never simply handed JayZ his entire catalog the way JayZ claims prince did.

again this is only my opinion as i clearly stated above. i am allowed to think differently from you and post my differing opinion here, right? please don't attack me for expressing my opinion.

and remember your opinions are also based upon speculation, no matter how strongly you believe yourself to be correct.

there was no need for you to make shit up and toss it in gratuitously like that bit about mind control.

that sort of behavior is what makes prince.org so ugly. everyone here is convinced their point of view is the only correct point of view and then resort to attacking others who think differently.

i notice moderator June7 had to snip a few of your posts earlier in this thread so please refrain from going there again.

prince org is not and never was supposed to be about who can hit the hardest, it was supposed to be a discussion forum, for people to discuss various ideas.

just live and let live.

besides, until actual facts come out and JayZ proves up his claims, all of this is speculation here anyway, even on your part.

thanks.

[Edited 12/21/16 6:44am]

1) Stop taking everything as a personal attack I am not mad at you or anyone. I simply had no idea what the purpose of your post was.

2) He was doing business with Tidal on a project basis. Don’t you think including the rest of the catalogue was one of the projects? How would Tidal have received the files if they did not get them from Prince? It would be great if someone would answer that question.

3) I made the comment about mind control because it is obvious that Prince wanted to send material to Tidal. He sent material to them a week before he died. Was someone else controlling his mind? If people on this board really think he did not intend for the additional albums to ever appear on Tidal then the implication is that he was not in control of his thinking when he did nothing but talk about the Tidal service in a positive manner the entire time he was involved with them.

4) There is nothing ugly about Prince.org except that when people get asked direct questions they refused to answer them and then get upset because they were asked questions in the first place or some point they made was questioned. Who wants to live in a world were no one questions anything.

Reply #451 posted 12/21/16 7:40am

XxAxX

laura, without intending to insult you i'm not sure where you're going with that post?

but hey i'm out. got work to get on with. happy winter solstice day! rose sun

Reply #452 posted 12/21/16 7:41am

XxAxX

1Sasha said:

There may be some people on the org who know intimate details about Prince's business dealings and all that has happened since he was found eight months ago today. I sure don't. I don't think it is worth arguing about. The only true facts are Prince died and the immediate cause of death was a Fentanyl overdose. We are all speculating and therefore all opinions should be welcome and reviewed, not trashed because they do not fit with a particular mindset. If somebody reading this has THE FACTS, then write them here for all to see. Otherwise ...



this^

Reply #453 posted 12/21/16 7:43am

laurarichardson

XxAxX said:

laura, without intending to insult you i'm not sure where you're going with that post?

but hey i'm out. got work to get on with. happy winter solstice day! rose sun

"so i think it goes to show that prince never simply handed JayZ his entire catalog the way JayZ claims prince did."

I do not agree with this statement I explained in bullet 2 and 3. but let us just agree to disagree.

Happy Holidays

Reply #454 posted 12/21/16 7:44am

laurarichardson

XxAxX said:

1Sasha said:

There may be some people on the org who know intimate details about Prince's business dealings and all that has happened since he was found eight months ago today. I sure don't. I don't think it is worth arguing about. The only true facts are Prince died and the immediate cause of death was a Fentanyl overdose. We are all speculating and therefore all opinions should be welcome and reviewed, not trashed because they do not fit with a particular mindset. If somebody reading this has THE FACTS, then write them here for all to see. Otherwise ...



this^

Homicide investigation is also factual. One that is still open after 8 months. eek

Reply #455 posted 12/21/16 10:48am

oliviacamron

Laura, how are you sure that Prince cancelling the Tidal concert at the last minute six months prior to his murder means nothing ?
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #456 posted 12/21/16 11:13am

oliviacamron

XxAxX said:

laura, without intending to insult you i'm not sure where you're going with that post? 

but hey i'm out.  got work to get on with.   happy winter solstice day!  rose sun


X, you've done good work and I thank you. I would like to get this info on the death thread because anyone who had anything to gain or anyone who may have had problems with Prince has motive, especially one who has been said to have killers
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #457 posted 12/21/16 12:28pm

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

Lovejunky said:

If there is TRUTH in The Rap..then Maybe JAYZ does have access to Princes Masters..and in having them, it would be obvious that he got them from ONLY ONE Source .

If Prince Gave JAYZ access and They are safe and sound with JAY Z (though I cant imagine that Phaedra doest have some control somwhere) the this is really not about anyone else except Phaedra and JAYZ coming to some Mutual understnding where SHE is satisfied that his wishes are being carried out (becasue SHE would know more than anyone ) and JAYZ is satisfied that HIS agreement with Prince is Honoured !

Also Maybe Breamer and "The Estate" are not sure what exactly Prince wanted and the thought that it may all be up to Phaedra and Jay Z is beyond them ????

Jay Z is a pathological liar, he does not own Prince masters. He is a poser in the highest form. He lies a lot about his business ventures and what he owns. He was rapping that he own the NETS NBA team and dude only owns 1.5% stake in the team. He is FRAUD just like his annoying wife.

.

Attention whores and inflated ego! LOL lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #458 posted 12/21/16 12:37pm

cloveringold85

Anyone who thinks that JayZ is an honest and decent man is quite puzzling to me. But hey, that's just my opinion. confused

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #459 posted 12/21/16 12:43pm

laurarichardson

oliviacamron said:

Laura, how are you sure that Prince cancelling the Tidal concert at the last minute six months prior to his murder means nothing ?

Why do you think it has any bearing on anything? He continued to provide content to Tidal right up to the week before he died. Do you remember what Andrian said about Prince canceling concerts and apperances at the last minute. He did this all the time and he could have been due to health issues or the fact that he would not have fit in with the other artist at that show.

Reply #460 posted 12/21/16 1:17pm

tab32792

i'm starting to wonder if the people on this site are robots or just live under rocks or just don't know shit about afro-american culture. 1, it's common knowledge where and what jay z came from and who and what he used to be/do. most rappers start out as that and come from that. 2, what does any of this have to do with Tidal and Prince? absolutely nothing. Prince liked, trusted and respected Hov up until his death so i don't understand the constant bitching and moaning when it comes to Tidal and Jay Z. You don't know him or what kind of person he is. it's pretty annoying and disgusting. Hell, most dont even know Prince and yet everybody seems to know what he thought, why and how. that's just weird as shit.

Reply #461 posted 12/21/16 2:32pm

cloveringold85

If you do not like someone, how is that annoying or disgusting?

.

Everyone has their own views/opinions of someone. A lot of people like JayZ and his music, and there are plenty who do not like him.

.

If you like JayZ or don't like him, I'm fine with either. Personally, I don't care for the guy. Just my opinion.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #462 posted 12/21/16 3:35pm

1Sasha

I think Solange Knowles might add a word or two to any discussion of her BIL ...
Reply #463 posted 12/21/16 5:58pm

XxAxX

tab32792 said:

i'm starting to wonder if the people on this site are robots or just live under rocks or just don't know shit about afro-american culture. 1, it's common knowledge where and what jay z came from and who and what he used to be/do. most rappers start out as that and come from that. 2, what does any of this have to do with Tidal and Prince? absolutely nothing. Prince liked, trusted and respected Hov up until his death so i don't understand the constant bitching and moaning when it comes to Tidal and Jay Z. You don't know him or what kind of person he is. it's pretty annoying and disgusting. Hell, most dont even know Prince and yet everybody seems to know what he thought, why and how. that's just weird as shit.



okay it's embarrassing but i stand corrected. i'm sorry i was crass enough to judge another person without ever meeting him based on gossip and years old information. i apologize for that isht. my bad.

Reply #464 posted 12/21/16 8:20pm

oliviacamron

laurarichardson said:

 



oliviacamron said:


Laura, how are you sure that Prince cancelling the Tidal concert at the last minute six months prior to his murder means nothing ?

Why do you think it has any bearing on anything?  He continued to provide content to Tidal right up to the week before he died. Do you remember what Andrian said about Prince canceling concerts and apperances at the last minute. He did this all the time and he could have been due to health issues or the fact that he would not have fit in with the other artist at that show.


So Prince cancels at his own concerts but did Prince usually cancel on someone else's concert. Do you think JayZ might have been embarrassed? Wasn't Tidal struggling as a business? If you tell someone your going to do this thing for them and change your mind at the last minute, I think they would be upset with you. I'm not saying it's the case, just possible. I know one thing, Jay z putting up all that Prince music after Prince died, then taking it back down after the lawsuit is very suspicious to me. As far as Prince still putting music up on Tidal before he died, well sometimes people are still doing business together while one is planning the murder of the other
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #465 posted 12/21/16 11:27pm

oliviacamron

XxAxX said:

i think it's interesting to note that Joshua Welton seems to be the only one who indicated that prince's entire catalog would be released.

most of the old threads on prince.org say prince was taking it project-by-project with tidal, as does the evidence of how the releases were handled.

one project at a time was released through tidal.

and then the business relationship between prince and JayZ seems to have soured


*****


http://prince.org/msg/7/418647 - 'purple pick of the week on Tidal' thread


http://prince.org/msg/7/418322?pr - This Could Be Us New version now on Tidal. (Update - Google Play and iTunes too)


http://prince.org/msg/7/418031 - New Prince song featuring Jay-Z


http://prince.org/msg/7/418005 - HITNRUN Tidal Exclusive Sept. 7th


http://prince.org/msg/7/419900- Jay-Z's musical diversity on Prince is not that diverese...


http://prince.org/msg/7/420507 - Tidal download shop
http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr - Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal concert?


http://prince.org/msg/7/422963?pr - HitnRun Phase Two Finally Gets Distribution


*
the posts below are from the october 2015 thread about prince dropping out of the tidal
concert
from: http://prince.org/msg/12/419222?&pg=7 - 


Prince to Perform at Tidal X: 1020 in New York Oct. 20th??


 


 


Reply #202 posted 10/19/15 10:34pm


inspireof


35167.ava



 



JKOOLMUSIC said:


1 day prior to the SOLD OUT show that Prince MAY NOT appear at. 1,629 tickets remain unclaimed on Stubhub!! Sold out is a trick. You could be oversold or undersold and someone will still believe u otherwise.



 


Basically 1,629 prince fans trying to get rid of their tix.. I don't blame them I would've only bought a ticket for Prince in that lineup.... icon_wink.gif


 


.


Btw here is confirmation of him not playing tonight...



Update: Prince (@Prince3EG) won't be performing at tonight's @TIDALHiFi concert http://p4k.co/TCGfo


.



Reply #205 posted 10/20/15 12:27pm


nosajd


36736.ava



Prince & Co have been tweeting & deleting like mo' today.

He just retweeted:



AZDetroitLion @azcwillams @Prince3EG I get it...there will be Too Much Cursing on that stage tonight. #Peace




& deleted it



.


Reply #216 posted 10/21/15 3:09am


Pentacle




I heard the show finished with Jay-Z burning a review of HitnRun on stage,


while 'Someday My Prince Will Come' was played over the PA.



Stop the Prince Apologists ™

*****

and THEN in december of 2015 prince talks about remastering his hits, in an interview with ebony magazine which was deleted shortly after publication.

http://prince.org/msg/7/420869 - NEW Ebony Interview: "Hopefully I'll be remastering... A new GREATEST HITS."


Thread started 12/22/15 1:40pm


feeluupp¤


onnow.gif


NEW Ebony Interview: "Hopefully I'll be remastering... A new GREATEST HITS."



New EBONY article:

By Miles Marshall Lewis


 


 


Prince asked me to keep some secrets. I may still have a few, truth be told. This past summer, a call went out to a few music journalists to visit the purple rock, Paisley Park Studios in Minneapolis. Joshua Welton, 25, had a few words to share about producing his first Prince project, Hit N Run. The operative word being “few.” After 10 minutes of talk, Prince himself entered Studio A and took over the conversation for two enlightening hours, discussing everything from Jay Z’s Tidal streaming service to the origins behind “Purple Rain” and “The Beautiful Ones,” and the reformation of The Time. Bob Seger, Esperanza Spalding, Kendrick Lamar and beyond.


Our couple of hours raced by faster than the accelerated voice of Camille. Then Prince disappeared, pulling up later in front of Paisley Park in a Cadillac sports car to play his already finished, secret follow-up to Hit N Run. On December 12, Hit N Run: Phase Two arrived on Tidal for streaming and digital download. So now you know. The following is a feverish transcription of more of our August convo from the summertime, previously unpublished. There may be more; Prince is full of secrets.




EBONY: Do you ever see yourself writing a memoir?


Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.


If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”


So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.



Read more here:

http://www.ebony.com/ente...z3v3mQ2Juo



.

and a post from that thread from someone who read the article before it was yanked indicating that prince pulls the plug when people aren't faith-based:


Reply #132 posted 12/23/15 4:13am


TheBoneRanger


40958.ava



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I shouldn’t have read this interview. After the total disappointment of Phase Two, my enthusiasm for Prince’s music is nearly completely obliterated by all of the hyper religious mumbo jumbo, especially this passage:


-


“I check people out now to see how faith-based they are and how real they are about it. That goes a long way, I gotta tell you. Because I can trust them. I can give him the key and don’t have to worry.”


-


First, if he really believes that then he’s a fool. Second, perhaps I should see how "non faith-based" an artist is before I invest so much time and money into their music. And third, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.....someone should really get Prince in touch with Neil deGrasse Tyson....STAT!!!!


-


I bet this interview was covertly recorded because it appears as if it was quoted verbatim. Even with taking notes I don’t think it would be possible to get this level of detail. That might be why it was yanked.....Prince knows it was recorded and that violated the terms of the interview.


-



Hi-yo Silver, it's The Bone Ranger!


*****




and don't forget, after pleading guilty JayZ was criminally convicted for stabbing a producer http://www.mtv.com/news/1451340/jay-z-gets-three-years-probation-for-un-rivera-stabbing/



and he has admitted to being a drug dealer back in the day. http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/01/media/jay-z-business-career/index.html

so in my personal view, that makes him unreliable and not trustworthy.  in court i would not take his alleged 'verbal contract' with prince claim seriously at all.


 


ps:  this is only my personal interpretation of JayZ's alleged entitlement to prince's entire catalog based on available ORG threads from the past.


[Edited 12/20/16 23:01pm]


Reading old post from these threads is upsetting. I can't read anymore right now. People were so judgmental towards Prince. You don't know what you have until it's gone. I'm only read through a couple of the threads. I read the one about Prince not doing the concert and the one about Prince inviting black journalist to a meeting
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #466 posted 12/22/16 4:17am

laurarichardson

oliviacamron said:

laurarichardson said:

Why do you think it has any bearing on anything? He continued to provide content to Tidal right up to the week before he died. Do you remember what Andrian said about Prince canceling concerts and apperances at the last minute. He did this all the time and he could have been due to health issues or the fact that he would not have fit in with the other artist at that show.

So Prince cancels at his own concerts but did Prince usually cancel on someone else's concert. Do you think JayZ might have been embarrassed? Wasn't Tidal struggling as a business? If you tell someone your going to do this thing for them and change your mind at the last minute, I think they would be upset with you. I'm not saying it's the case, just possible. I know one thing, Jay z putting up all that Prince music after Prince died, then taking it back down after the lawsuit is very suspicious to me. As far as Prince still putting music up on Tidal before he died, well sometimes people are still doing business together while one is planning the murder of the other

I don't recall Prince being on the bill of someone's else concert unless he just dropped in as a guest.

We don't know if Prince told Jay-Z he was even going to be at the concert? All of the Prince music on Tidal has not been taken down. In fact somethings are hard to find because their search button is screwy. Once again if both Breamer and Roc-Nation agree about the 90 day deal then all of the music is free to go on other platforms however, this has not happend and the bulk of the music is still not taken down from the Tidal site. Please also explain how and why Jay-Z would have Prince killed?

Reply #467 posted 12/22/16 10:56am

oliviacamron

laurarichardson said:

 



oliviacamron said:


laurarichardson said:

 


Why do you think it has any bearing on anything?  He continued to provide content to Tidal right up to the week before he died. Do you remember what Andrian said about Prince canceling concerts and apperances at the last minute. He did this all the time and he could have been due to health issues or the fact that he would not have fit in with the other artist at that show.



So Prince cancels at his own concerts but did Prince usually cancel on someone else's concert. Do you think JayZ might have been embarrassed? Wasn't Tidal struggling as a business? If you tell someone your going to do this thing for them and change your mind at the last minute, I think they would be upset with you. I'm not saying it's the case, just possible. I know one thing, Jay z putting up all that Prince music after Prince died, then taking it back down after the lawsuit is very suspicious to me. As far as Prince still putting music up on Tidal before he died, well sometimes people are still doing business together while one is planning the murder of the other

I don't recall Prince being on the bill of someone's else concert unless he just dropped in as a guest.


We don't know if Prince told Jay-Z he was even going to be at the concert? All of the Prince music on Tidal has not been taken down. In fact somethings are hard to find because their search button is screwy. Once again if both Breamer and Roc-Nation agree about the 90 day deal then all of the music is free to go on other platforms however, this has not happend and the bulk of the music is     still not taken down from the Tidal site. Please also explain how and why Jay-Z would have Prince killed?


Do I really have to explain? How did Prince die? That's how . Why would he kill him? Endless possibilities of a motive . Jay z is hardly my #1 suspect though unless he collaborated with a record label that wanted to stop Prince from his plans for the music business and whatever.
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #468 posted 12/22/16 11:56am

cloveringold85

Just to add....I believe Olivia and other's have stated the following as well. JayZ is affiliated with WB (Roc Nation). Yes, Tidal is it's own company, but let's not forget that JayZ does business with several other affiliations/companies and he is involved with WB, whether you want to believe it or not. Everything all ties in together and there is a 'connection'.....if you open your eyes. Just saying.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #469 posted 12/22/16 7:36pm

PurpleDiamonds1

XxAxX said:

i think it's interesting to note that Joshua Welton seems to be the only one who indicated that prince's entire catalog would be released.

most of the old threads on prince.org say prince was taking it project-by-project with tidal, as does the evidence of how the releases were handled.

one project at a time was released through tidal.

and then the business relationship between prince and JayZ seems to have soured


*****


http://prince.org/msg/7/418647 - 'purple pick of the week on Tidal' thread


http://prince.org/msg/7/418322?pr - This Could Be Us New version now on Tidal. (Update - Google Play and iTunes too)


http://prince.org/msg/7/418031 - New Prince song featuring Jay-Z


http://prince.org/msg/7/418005 - HITNRUN Tidal Exclusive Sept. 7th


http://prince.org/msg/7/419900- Jay-Z's musical diversity on Prince is not that diverese...


http://prince.org/msg/7/420507 - Tidal download shop
http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr - Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal concert?


http://prince.org/msg/7/422963?pr - HitnRun Phase Two Finally Gets Distribution


*
the posts below are from the october 2015 thread about prince dropping out of the tidal
concert
from: http://prince.org/msg/12/419222?&pg=7 - 


Prince to Perform at Tidal X: 1020 in New York Oct. 20th??


 


 


Reply #202 posted 10/19/15 10:34pm


inspireof


35167.ava



 



JKOOLMUSIC said:


1 day prior to the SOLD OUT show that Prince MAY NOT appear at. 1,629 tickets remain unclaimed on Stubhub!! Sold out is a trick. You could be oversold or undersold and someone will still believe u otherwise.



 


Basically 1,629 prince fans trying to get rid of their tix.. I don't blame them I would've only bought a ticket for Prince in that lineup.... icon_wink.gif


 


.


Btw here is confirmation of him not playing tonight...



Update: Prince (@Prince3EG) won't be performing at tonight's @TIDALHiFi concert http://p4k.co/TCGfo


.



Reply #205 posted 10/20/15 12:27pm


nosajd


36736.ava



Prince & Co have been tweeting & deleting like mo' today.

He just retweeted:



AZDetroitLion @azcwillams @Prince3EG I get it...there will be Too Much Cursing on that stage tonight. #Peace




& deleted it



.


Reply #216 posted 10/21/15 3:09am


Pentacle




I heard the show finished with Jay-Z burning a review of HitnRun on stage,


while 'Someday My Prince Will Come' was played over the PA.



Stop the Prince Apologists ™

*****

and THEN in december of 2015 prince talks about remastering his hits, in an interview with ebony magazine which was deleted shortly after publication.

http://prince.org/msg/7/420869 - NEW Ebony Interview: "Hopefully I'll be remastering... A new GREATEST HITS."


Thread started 12/22/15 1:40pm


feeluupp¤


onnow.gif


NEW Ebony Interview: "Hopefully I'll be remastering... A new GREATEST HITS."



New EBONY article:

By Miles Marshall Lewis


 


 


Prince asked me to keep some secrets. I may still have a few, truth be told. This past summer, a call went out to a few music journalists to visit the purple rock, Paisley Park Studios in Minneapolis. Joshua Welton, 25, had a few words to share about producing his first Prince project, Hit N Run. The operative word being “few.” After 10 minutes of talk, Prince himself entered Studio A and took over the conversation for two enlightening hours, discussing everything from Jay Z’s Tidal streaming service to the origins behind “Purple Rain” and “The Beautiful Ones,” and the reformation of The Time. Bob Seger, Esperanza Spalding, Kendrick Lamar and beyond.


Our couple of hours raced by faster than the accelerated voice of Camille. Then Prince disappeared, pulling up later in front of Paisley Park in a Cadillac sports car to play his already finished, secret follow-up to Hit N Run. On December 12, Hit N Run: Phase Two arrived on Tidal for streaming and digital download. So now you know. The following is a feverish transcription of more of our August convo from the summertime, previously unpublished. There may be more; Prince is full of secrets.




EBONY: Do you ever see yourself writing a memoir?


Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.


If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”


So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.



Read more here:

http://www.ebony.com/ente...z3v3mQ2Juo



.

and a post from that thread from someone who read the article before it was yanked indicating that prince pulls the plug when people aren't faith-based:


Reply #132 posted 12/23/15 4:13am


TheBoneRanger


40958.ava



-


I shouldn’t have read this interview. After the total disappointment of Phase Two, my enthusiasm for Prince’s music is nearly completely obliterated by all of the hyper religious mumbo jumbo, especially this passage:


-


“I check people out now to see how faith-based they are and how real they are about it. That goes a long way, I gotta tell you. Because I can trust them. I can give him the key and don’t have to worry.”


-


First, if he really believes that then he’s a fool. Second, perhaps I should see how "non faith-based" an artist is before I invest so much time and money into their music. And third, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.....someone should really get Prince in touch with Neil deGrasse Tyson....STAT!!!!


-


I bet this interview was covertly recorded because it appears as if it was quoted verbatim. Even with taking notes I don’t think it would be possible to get this level of detail. That might be why it was yanked.....Prince knows it was recorded and that violated the terms of the interview.


-



Hi-yo Silver, it's The Bone Ranger!


*****




and don't forget, after pleading guilty JayZ was criminally convicted for stabbing a producer http://www.mtv.com/news/1451340/jay-z-gets-three-years-probation-for-un-rivera-stabbing/



and he has admitted to being a drug dealer back in the day. http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/01/media/jay-z-business-career/index.html

so in my personal view, that makes him unreliable and not trustworthy.  in court i would not take his alleged 'verbal contract' with prince claim seriously at all.


 


ps:  this is only my personal interpretation of JayZ's alleged entitlement to prince's entire catalog based on available ORG threads from the past.


[Edited 12/20/16 23:01pm]


Thanks for putting this together. Agree with you also that Jubliant Judas seems to fit here.
Reply #470 posted 12/22/16 7:51pm

oliviacamron

XxAxX said:

 



tab32792 said:


i'm starting to wonder if the people on this site are robots or just live under rocks or just don't know shit about afro-american culture. 1, it's common knowledge where and what jay z came from and who and what he used to be/do. most rappers start out as that and come from that. 2, what does any of this have to do with Tidal and Prince? absolutely nothing. Prince liked, trusted and respected Hov up until his death so i don't understand the constant bitching and moaning when it comes to Tidal and Jay Z. You don't know him or what kind of person he is. it's pretty annoying and disgusting. Hell, most dont even know Prince and yet everybody seems to know what he thought, why and how. that's just weird as shit.





okay it's embarrassing but i stand corrected.  i'm sorry i was crass enough to judge another person without ever meeting him based on gossip and years old information.  i apologize for that isht.  my bad.


That's okay xxx, stir the pot anytime I'll run with it
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #471 posted 12/22/16 8:27pm

26ten

Hey guys I'm so sorry if I missed this in the thread already - but is the One Night Alone studio album off Tidal now? I tried to buy it today and can't find it but Tidal is so wacked out it might still be on there and just being a pain.

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Anyone know offhand/have a link to the Tidal page for it?

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Thanks for that - sorry again if this was covered.

Reply #472 posted 12/22/16 8:36pm

oliviacamron

26ten said:

Hey guys I'm so sorry if I missed this in the thread already - but is the One Night Alone studio album off Tidal now? I tried to buy it today and can't find it but Tidal is so wacked out it might still be on there and just being a pain.


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Anyone know offhand/have a link to the Tidal page for it?


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Thanks for that - sorry again if this was covered.


I was trying to figure out what was missing yesterday confused
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #473 posted 12/23/16 4:31am

laurarichardson

26ten said:

Hey guys I'm so sorry if I missed this in the thread already - but is the One Night Alone studio album off Tidal now? I tried to buy it today and can't find it but Tidal is so wacked out it might still be on there and just being a pain.

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Anyone know offhand/have a link to the Tidal page for it?

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Thanks for that - sorry again if this was covered.

At one point the Exodus was missing and then it came back so I have no fucking idea what they are doing. They have worst search button. I actually had a CD copy of the Exodus made since it kept disappering.

Reply #474 posted 12/23/16 10:34am

DD55

26ten said:

Hey guys I'm so sorry if I missed this in the thread already - but is the One Night Alone studio album off Tidal now? I tried to buy it today and can't find it but Tidal is so wacked out it might still be on there and just being a pain.

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Anyone know offhand/have a link to the Tidal page for it?

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Thanks for that - sorry again if this was covered.

I subscribe to Tidal streaming service and have purchased many albums from them. I don’t see One Night Alone on Tidal right now either, but as someone else mentioned on Tidal things come and go.

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However, I’ve found that rather than searching in the Tidal Store, where it seems you can never find what you want, I go to the streaming service to find the album number of what I want to buy.

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Search for what you want then get the album number from the url. Copy and past the album number into the store url and you usually can find it for purchase.

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For example: I looked for RaveIn2 on in the store without any luck. I found it in the streaming service --- //listen.tidal.com/album/61534686’

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Copy ‘album/61534686’ and add it to the store url: --- //tidal.com/us/store/

to create --- //tidal.com/us/store/album/61534686

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The album was for sale, I found and purchased it using this method.

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BTW, not going to get into the whole Jayz, Tidal, and Prince discussion. But regarding Tidal - I will say, Tidal has fantastic customer service. I had two issues over the course of the last year and each time I sent an email to customer support and they got back to me within a day and resolved the issues quickly both times (and they followed up a few days later to make sure that everything was ok).

Hope this helps.

Reply #475 posted 12/23/16 11:52am

laurarichardson

DD55 said:

 



26ten said:


Hey guys I'm so sorry if I missed this in the thread already - but is the One Night Alone studio album off Tidal now? I tried to buy it today and can't find it but Tidal is so wacked out it might still be on there and just being a pain.


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Anyone know offhand/have a link to the Tidal page for it?


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Thanks for that - sorry again if this was covered.



I subscribe to Tidal streaming service and have purchased many albums from them.  I don’t see One Night Alone on Tidal right now either, but as someone else mentioned on Tidal things come and go. 


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However, I’ve found that rather than searching in the Tidal Store, where it seems you can never find what you want, I go to the streaming service to find the album number of what I want to buy. 


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Search for what you want then get the album number from the url.  Copy and past the album number into the store url and you usually can find it for purchase. 


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For example: I looked for RaveIn2 on in the store without any luck.  I found it in the streaming service  ---   //listen.tidal.com/album/61534686’


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Copy ‘album/61534686’ and add it to the store url:  --- //tidal.com/us/store/


to create ---  //tidal.com/us/store/album/61534686


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The album was for sale, I found and purchased it using this method. 


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BTW, not going to get into the whole Jayz, Tidal, and Prince discussion. But regarding Tidal - I will say, Tidal has fantastic customer service.  I had two issues over the course of the last year and each time I sent an email to customer support and they got back to me within a day and resolved the issues quickly both times (and they followed up a few days later to make sure that everything was ok). 


 


Hope this helps.


--I have spoken to their customer service as well excellent service and sound quality. My understanding is they want to add T.V and movies they could become the Netlix.
Reply #476 posted 12/27/16 6:26am

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

MJS: Great find! Thanks for sharing that info and Pic! Interesting to know that Tidal is owned by a white man and run/operated by white people. I didn't think that JayZ had the business smarts to start-up a company all on his own. He obviously had a lot of help!

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And, what's with the people who are flashing the "666" sign? eek

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Did you miss what I wrote about him being a large shareholder? How do you think people become wealthy? They buy into business that already exsist.

That is not what you said previously. You said that Prince was probably interested in working with Jay Z because he was enthused about the idea of supporting a "Black Owned Business" and clearly based on the receipts and facts I posted, TIDAL is obviously not a Black owned business despite the perception and lie Jay Z tried to promote. Again, Jay Z is FULL of bullshit and he lied to Prince.

[Edited 12/27/16 6:36am]

Reply #477 posted 12/27/16 6:30am

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree! I'm a real stickler when it comes to people's character. A person's actions speak the TRUTH. I agree that Prince was taken advantage of. When he gave that interview (I forget with who), he got the figures wrong on how many people subscribe to Spotify vs. Tidal. Maybe he was just being vague and was just picking a number, I dunno. I think Prince was a very emotional guy, and he probably felt he could trust JayZ at the time. Well, we will just have to sit back and see how this all plays out.

I don't think anyone took advantage of Prince. He taking those drugs I believe he knew the risk.

HUH? This is absolutely a ridiculous remark to make. This has nothing to do with Jay Z misleading and taking advantage of Prince and its quite evident he did this to other artists which is why he is being sued by a number of other artists, not just Prince. Again, I it very questionable you strongly defend Jay Z, even to the point you would insist Prince is at fault because he was on drugs?? eek Very strange for a Prince fan to say...

Reply #478 posted 12/27/16 6:32am

mjscarousal

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

nod Character is indeed everything. Prince talked highly of Jay Z because he trusted him and believed in him (although he was misled by Jay Z). He probably lied to Prince and told him that he owned TIDAL although he doesnt. Jay Z is a clown. I feel its natural for any fan to become emotional if they feel someone they admire has been used or taken advantage of.

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I agree! I'm a real stickler when it comes to people's character. A person's actions speak the TRUTH. I agree that Prince was taken advantage of. When he gave that interview (I forget with who), he got the figures wrong on how many people subscribe to Spotify vs. Tidal. Maybe he was just being vague and was just picking a number, I dunno. I think Prince was a very emotional guy, and he probably felt he could trust JayZ at the time. Well, we will just have to sit back and see how this all plays out.

thumbs up! Prince was misled and lied to by Jay Z and TIDAL, this is quite evident at this point and who ever disagrees are in denial. I believe the truth will win in the end. The truth will eventually come out.

Reply #479 posted 12/27/16 6:33am

mjscarousal

XxAxX said:

mjscarousal said:

nod Character is indeed everything. Prince talked highly of Jay Z because he trusted him and believed in him (although he was misled by Jay Z). He probably lied to Prince and told him that he owned TIDAL although he doesnt. Jay Z is a clown. I feel its natural for any fan to become emotional if they feel someone they admire has been used or taken advantage of.

jubilant judaZ

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Reply #480 posted 12/27/16 6:35am

mjscarousal

Lovejunky said:

mjscarousal said:

Jay Z is a pathological liar, he does not own Prince masters. He is a poser in the highest form. He lies a lot about his business ventures and what he owns. He was rapping that he own the NETS NBA team and dude only owns 1.5% stake in the team. He is FRAUD just like his annoying wife.

I dont particularly like Jayzs music, and he is an odd looking kind of Character,but somehow he is sitting at a table with, amongst others, Phaedra , Llondell, Tyka and now Van Jones as of Dec 8,,,

All these people LOVE Prince..They are wanting to do the best for him out of Love and Respect

I have absolute faith they will work out something..

Jay Z does not care about Prince or his legacy. If he wins this, this is just something he will gloat about in his songs. Its sad you fans don't see this.

Reply #481 posted 12/27/16 8:39am

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

Did you miss what I wrote about him being a large shareholder? How do you think people become wealthy? They buy into business that already exsist.

That is not what you said previously. You said that Prince was probably interested in working with Jay Z because he was enthused about the idea of supporting a "Black Owned Business" and clearly based on the receipts and facts I posted, TIDAL is obviously not a Black owned business despite the perception and lie Jay Z tried to promote. Again, Jay Z is FULL of bullshit and he lied to Prince.

[Edited 12/27/16 6:36am]

But Jay-Z/RockNation is a large shareholder in the company and other artist (some black were offered shares in the business) it would be a majority black owned business. You have no way of knowing if and when Jay-Z or other black people will assume more shares of this company? You have no way of knowing if Prince had equity in the Tidal? Do you know anything about business?

Prince also said he liked the idea of supporting a new business and it is a new business.

I doubt Jay-Z lied to Prince. Prince was perfectly capable of using his own lawyers to find out any information he needed about Tidal. Stop making Prince seem like some moron who fell out of Cracker Jack box. He was a grown ass man perfectly capable of making his decisions. He did not last 38 years in the music industry by being a sucker. If you think that for a whole year Prince sent content to Tidal and did not receive one red cent you need help.

Why would he continue to send content if he received no upfront money or royalties or had no stake in the company? He was still sending content a few days before he died. If additional payments are due the court will see to it the funds are paid. I think you keep forgeting that the estate is being overseen by a court no stone will go unturned.

You also cannot explain why the bulk of the content is still on Tidal? Obviously, something is going on behind the scenes that we do not access to. I have confindence that if Van is selected as the admin that Prince's wished will be honored.

Reply #482 posted 12/27/16 10:37am

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

That is not what you said previously. You said that Prince was probably interested in working with Jay Z because he was enthused about the idea of supporting a "Black Owned Business" and clearly based on the receipts and facts I posted, TIDAL is obviously not a Black owned business despite the perception and lie Jay Z tried to promote. Again, Jay Z is FULL of bullshit and he lied to Prince.

[Edited 12/27/16 6:36am]

But Jay-Z/RockNation is a large shareholder in the company and other artist (some black were offered shares in the business) it would be a majority black owned business. You have no way of knowing if and when Jay-Z or other black people will assume more shares of this company? You have no way of knowing if Prince had equity in the Tidal? Do you know anything about business?

Prince also said he liked the idea of supporting a new business and it is a new business.

I doubt Jay-Z lied to Prince. Prince was perfectly capable of using his own lawyers to find out any information he needed about Tidal. Stop making Prince seem like some moron who fell out of Cracker Jack box. He was a grown ass man perfectly capable of making his decisions. He did not last 38 years in the music industry by being a sucker. If you think that for a whole year Prince sent content to Tidal and did not receive one red cent you need help.

Why would he continue to send content if he received no upfront money or royalties or had no stake in the company? He was still sending content a few days before he died. If additional payments are due the court will see to it the funds are paid. I think you keep forgeting that the estate is being overseen by a court no stone will go unturned.

You also cannot explain why the bulk of the content is still on Tidal? Obviously, something is going on behind the scenes that we do not access to. I have confindence that if Van is selected as the admin that Prince's wished will be honored.

Your back tracking now. You said that Prince supported Jay Z because he liked the idea of supporting a Black Owned Business. Do you want me to copy and past your quote???? It doesn't matter if Jay Z is a shareholder. He is not CEO and he does not own TIDAL....period. He DID lie because he promoted TIDAL as if he was the owner of the service and he is not. I never implied that Prince was a "moron" or not capable of making decisions. I have said from the very beginning that Prince was misled and trusted Jay Z. He probably was fed a bunch of lies and wanted to support Jay Z and his "fraudulent vision". Since Prince was very interested in mentoring and helping the next generation, I believe that is why he trusted Jay Z and wanted to support him and no that does not make him a moron. That actually makes him a honorable and admirable human being which most middle age adults should aspire too. Jay Z just took advantage. This is not rocket science.

Reply #483 posted 12/27/16 11:02am

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

But Jay-Z/RockNation is a large shareholder in the company and other artist (some black were offered shares in the business) it would be a majority black owned business. You have no way of knowing if and when Jay-Z or other black people will assume more shares of this company? You have no way of knowing if Prince had equity in the Tidal? Do you know anything about business?

Prince also said he liked the idea of supporting a new business and it is a new business.

I doubt Jay-Z lied to Prince. Prince was perfectly capable of using his own lawyers to find out any information he needed about Tidal. Stop making Prince seem like some moron who fell out of Cracker Jack box. He was a grown ass man perfectly capable of making his decisions. He did not last 38 years in the music industry by being a sucker. If you think that for a whole year Prince sent content to Tidal and did not receive one red cent you need help.

Why would he continue to send content if he received no upfront money or royalties or had no stake in the company? He was still sending content a few days before he died. If additional payments are due the court will see to it the funds are paid. I think you keep forgeting that the estate is being overseen by a court no stone will go unturned.

You also cannot explain why the bulk of the content is still on Tidal? Obviously, something is going on behind the scenes that we do not access to. I have confindence that if Van is selected as the admin that Prince's wished will be honored.

Your back tracking now. You said that Prince supported Jay Z because he liked the idea of supporting a Black Owned Business. Do you want me to copy and past your quote???? It doesn't matter if Jay Z is a shareholder. He is not CEO and he does not own TIDAL....period. He DID lie because he promoted TIDAL as if he was the owner of the service and he is not. I never implied that Prince was a "moron" or not capable of making decisions. I have said from the very beginning that Prince was misled and trusted Jay Z. He probably was fed a bunch of lies and wanted to support Jay Z and his "fraudulent vision". Since Prince was very interested in mentoring and helping the next generation, I believe that is why he trusted Jay Z and wanted to support him and no that does not make him a moron. That actually makes him a honorable and admirable human being which most middle age adults should aspire too. Jay Z just took advantage. This is not rocket science.

I believe that Prince did support the business because the majority of ownership was black. Prince never made that statement in print because he was not stupid. I meaning me believe that black ownership was one of his reasons for wanting to be involved. I am not backing down from that.

It does matter if Jay-Z is a majority shareholder in the company. Majority shareholders have more pull then a CEO who only server at the pleasure of a board of directors or owner(s). I do not know if Jay-Z ever said he was the sole owner of Tidal if he was he trying to use that to get others to buy shares in the company. You are going to have to find something to prove that he said he was the sole owner.

If he said it perhaps he meant it in a bragging matter much like Hip Hop itself. No one believes some dude has a 20 foot long private part because he puts that nonsense in a Rap song.It is called bragging or building something up. (Why does this have to be explained) What matters in a business is what is on paper and anyone that wanted to do business with Tidal or be a share owner would have access to the articles of incorporation and would find out who owned what portion of the company. It would not have been a mystery.

Jay Z did not take advangtage of Prince. Once again Prince had the means to find out anything he wanted to find out about Tidal he was not going to put his catalogue on a platform without checking it out first and I will never believe he received no money and keep the material up on the site for a year. This was a major business transaction for Prince and NPG LLP music he was not running a lemonade stand. If anything bad happend if was after he died which would fall in the lap of Pheadra and Breamer for not handling those matters in a timely fashion.

Reply #484 posted 12/27/16 11:30am

cloveringold85

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

I don't think anyone took advantage of Prince. He taking those drugs I believe he knew the risk.

HUH? This is absolutely a ridiculous remark to make. This has nothing to do with Jay Z misleading and taking advantage of Prince and its quite evident he did this to other artists which is why he is being sued by a number of other artists, not just Prince. Again, I it very questionable you strongly defend Jay Z, even to the point you would insist Prince is at fault because he was on drugs?? eek Very strange for a Prince fan to say...

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I'm quite perplexed by what Laura said also.... (Prince took the drugs and knew the risk)??.

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I'm very surprised that you would say that, Laura given the fact that we still do not know at this time if he knew what he was taking, and we still do not know where the lethal Fentanyl came from.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #485 posted 12/27/16 11:35am

cloveringold85

Laura said:

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Why would he continue to send content if he received no upfront money or royalties or had no stake in the company? He was still sending content a few days before he died.

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My question is this; do we have proof that Prince was "physically" sending those files himself or did he instruct someone else to send files to Tidal?


"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #486 posted 12/27/16 11:38am

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

That is not what you said previously. You said that Prince was probably interested in working with Jay Z because he was enthused about the idea of supporting a "Black Owned Business" and clearly based on the receipts and facts I posted, TIDAL is obviously not a Black owned business despite the perception and lie Jay Z tried to promote. Again, Jay Z is FULL of bullshit and he lied to Prince.

[Edited 12/27/16 6:36am]

But Jay-Z/RockNation is a large shareholder in the company and other artist (some black were offered shares in the business) it would be a majority black owned business. You have no way of knowing if and when Jay-Z or other black people will assume more shares of this company? You have no way of knowing if Prince had equity in the Tidal? Do you know anything about business?

Prince also said he liked the idea of supporting a new business and it is a new business.

I doubt Jay-Z lied to Prince. Prince was perfectly capable of using his own lawyers to find out any information he needed about Tidal. Stop making Prince seem like some moron who fell out of Cracker Jack box. He was a grown ass man perfectly capable of making his decisions. He did not last 38 years in the music industry by being a sucker. If you think that for a whole year Prince sent content to Tidal and did not receive one red cent you need help.

Why would he continue to send content if he received no upfront money or royalties or had no stake in the company? He was still sending content a few days before he died. If additional payments are due the court will see to it the funds are paid. I think you keep forgeting that the estate is being overseen by a court no stone will go unturned.

You also cannot explain why the bulk of the content is still on Tidal? Obviously, something is going on behind the scenes that we do not access to. I have confindence that if Van is selected as the admin that Prince's wished will be honored.

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Laura: I don't think MJS was calling Prince a "moron". I think we all know he was a grown-ass Man, as you stated. confused

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Just because a person can be mislead, does not mean they are a moron. Just saying. confused

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #487 posted 12/27/16 11:40am

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

HUH? This is absolutely a ridiculous remark to make. This has nothing to do with Jay Z misleading and taking advantage of Prince and its quite evident he did this to other artists which is why he is being sued by a number of other artists, not just Prince. Again, I it very questionable you strongly defend Jay Z, even to the point you would insist Prince is at fault because he was on drugs?? eek Very strange for a Prince fan to say...

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I'm quite perplexed by what Laura said also.... (Prince took the drugs and knew the risk)??.

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I'm very surprised that you would say that, Laura given the fact that we still do not know at this time if he knew what he was taking, and we still do not know where the lethal Fentanyl came from.

Anytime you take any drugs with an Rx or without an Rx you are taking a risk. Pain pills will have damaging effects on your organs over time and if you are taking them without a doctor's supervision your are assuming a risk to your health.

I do not believe that Prince was strung on the meds he was taking but I do believe he was taking them off the books and therefore was playing a dangerous game with health.

I do not believe he knew he was taking the Fentanyl but I do believe he was taking some pain pills without the approval of a doctor.

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Reply #488 posted 12/27/16 11:48am

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

But Jay-Z/RockNation is a large shareholder in the company and other artist (some black were offered shares in the business) it would be a majority black owned business. You have no way of knowing if and when Jay-Z or other black people will assume more shares of this company? You have no way of knowing if Prince had equity in the Tidal? Do you know anything about business?

Prince also said he liked the idea of supporting a new business and it is a new business.

I doubt Jay-Z lied to Prince. Prince was perfectly capable of using his own lawyers to find out any information he needed about Tidal. Stop making Prince seem like some moron who fell out of Cracker Jack box. He was a grown ass man perfectly capable of making his decisions. He did not last 38 years in the music industry by being a sucker. If you think that for a whole year Prince sent content to Tidal and did not receive one red cent you need help.

Why would he continue to send content if he received no upfront money or royalties or had no stake in the company? He was still sending content a few days before he died. If additional payments are due the court will see to it the funds are paid. I think you keep forgeting that the estate is being overseen by a court no stone will go unturned.

You also cannot explain why the bulk of the content is still on Tidal? Obviously, something is going on behind the scenes that we do not access to. I have confindence that if Van is selected as the admin that Prince's wished will be honored.

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Laura: I don't think MJS was calling Prince a "moron". I think we all know he was a grown-ass Man, as you stated. confused

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Just because a person can be mislead, does not mean they are a moron. Just saying. confused

You would have to be a moron to sign up with Tidal and not get paid especially if you had been complaining in the public about the awful money that other streaming services were offering. You would have to be a moron to not know who controls the company you are about to do business with or obtain a stake in. Anything concerning his deal with Tidal could have been ran pass his attorney and explained to him. If he did not do due dillegence at all that would make him a moron. I do not think he was a moron concerning this deal. I think he went into this deal to make money off his back catalogue.

We have also not seen any court papers concerning all these artist who are suing and why is so much content still on Tidal website if eveyone is suing.? Does Tidal have a means to not have copyright infringenment effect their company?

I am not defending Tidal in so much as I know the probate will get the money out of them if monies are due but I have yet to see anyone make a convincing argument that Tidal ripped Prince off while he was alive and well. Some of you are forgetting the problems seemed to have started after he passed away and those problems would fall on Pheadra who as the manager of the LLC would have been responsible for collecting all monies for royalites and licensing fees.

Reply #489 posted 12/27/16 12:00pm

nelcp777

I find it odd that ROC Nation/Tidal has not submitted to the Estate supporting documents for Tidal's arguement. At a minimum, there has to be some document(s) that show the portion or amount of shares Prince would receive for the equity sharing.

In addition, I do not believe Tidal would pay $750k in cash. That would be a huge business expense for the corporation.

I am curious to who and when provided the music to Tidal. Did Tidal always have access to the music, just published it on the site on June 7th to maximize revenue?

I do agree that there does not seem, at least publicly, any issues between Tidal and Prince prior to his passing. The manager of the publishing LLC for NPG does seem to have "dropped the ball" on monitoring and ensuring that the publishing rights were protected and monies were collected.

Reply #490 posted 12/27/16 12:06pm

laurarichardson

nelcp777 said:

I find it odd that ROC Nation/Tidal has not submitted to the Estate supporting documents for Tidal's arguement. At a minimum, there has to be some document(s) that show the portion or amount of shares Prince would receive for the equity sharing.

In addition, I do not believe Tidal would pay $750k in cash. That would be a huge business expense for the corporation.

I am curious to who and when provided the music to Tidal. Did Tidal always have access to the music, just published it on the site on June 7th to maximize revenue?

I do agree that there does not seem, at least publicly, any issues between Tidal and Prince prior to his passing. The manager of the publishing LLC for NPG does seem to have "dropped the ball" on monitoring and ensuring that the publishing rights were protected and monies were collected.

------- I do agree that there does not seem, at least publicly, any issues between Tidal and Prince prior to his passing. The manager of the publishing LLC for NPG does seem to have "dropped the ball" on monitoring and ensuring that the publishing rights were protected and monies were collected.

Thank you I find it interesting that Pheadra has gotten an attorney and wants docs to be under seal.

What is she trying to hide as the court has already decided that some finanical information would be under seal for Propriety reasons but she appears to want all of the NPG LLC info under seal.

Something is fishy with her and NPG LLC or maybe she was just not the right person for managing the LLC in the first place.

Reply #491 posted 12/27/16 12:30pm

nelcp777

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

I find it odd that ROC Nation/Tidal has not submitted to the Estate supporting documents for Tidal's arguement. At a minimum, there has to be some document(s) that show the portion or amount of shares Prince would receive for the equity sharing.

In addition, I do not believe Tidal would pay $750k in cash. That would be a huge business expense for the corporation.

I am curious to who and when provided the music to Tidal. Did Tidal always have access to the music, just published it on the site on June 7th to maximize revenue?

I do agree that there does not seem, at least publicly, any issues between Tidal and Prince prior to his passing. The manager of the publishing LLC for NPG does seem to have "dropped the ball" on monitoring and ensuring that the publishing rights were protected and monies were collected.

------- I do agree that there does not seem, at least publicly, any issues between Tidal and Prince prior to his passing. The manager of the publishing LLC for NPG does seem to have "dropped the ball" on monitoring and ensuring that the publishing rights were protected and monies were collected.

Thank you I find it interesting that Pheadra has gotten an attorney and wants docs to be under seal.

What is she trying to hide as the court has already decided that some finanical information would be under seal for Propriety reasons but she appears to want all of the NPG LLC info under seal.

Something is fishy with her and NPG LLC or maybe she was just not the right person for managing the LLC in the first place.

Her request for sealing documents could be 2 fold:

One, she provided the files after Prince's passing, which was not part of the original contract with Tidal.

Two, funds were collected at the LLC level, but never passed down to the shareholder(s). This may have not been intentional, but could be viewed as shady.

These points would also support your arguement that she was not right person for the managing of the LLC. Perhaps, as a sign of gratitude for getting Prince his masters, Prince listed her as a manager. For all we know, Prince could have had expectations of running NPG LLC and did not think much of having her listed as the manager.

I am sure that there is a lot more going on behind doors on the legal end than we know. I just can not understand why Tidal has not presented supporting documents for their arguement.

I know Prince was anti contract. I am inclined to believe that the BOD (Board of Directors) would not agree to a handshake deal. I find that hard to accept. Companies do not want to be involved in lengthy and expensive litigations, hence the contracts.

I believe that the agreement/contract between Prince and Tidal was smooth. After Prince's passing, I get the impression Tidal crossed lines and streamed music it was not contracted to stream.

Reply #492 posted 12/27/16 12:36pm

laurarichardson

nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

------- I do agree that there does not seem, at least publicly, any issues between Tidal and Prince prior to his passing. The manager of the publishing LLC for NPG does seem to have "dropped the ball" on monitoring and ensuring that the publishing rights were protected and monies were collected.

Thank you I find it interesting that Pheadra has gotten an attorney and wants docs to be under seal.

What is she trying to hide as the court has already decided that some finanical information would be under seal for Propriety reasons but she appears to want all of the NPG LLC info under seal.

Something is fishy with her and NPG LLC or maybe she was just not the right person for managing the LLC in the first place.

Her request for sealing documents could be 2 fold:

One, she provided the files after Prince's passing, which was not part of the original contract with Tidal.

Two, funds were collected at the LLC level, but never passed down to the shareholder(s). This may have not been intentional, but could be viewed as shady.

These points would also support your arguement that she was not right person for the managing of the LLC. Perhaps, as a sign of gratitude for getting Prince his masters, Prince listed her as a manager. For all we know, Prince could have had expectations of running NPG LLC and did not think much of having her listed as the manager.

I am sure that there is a lot more going on behind doors on the legal end than we know. I just can not understand why Tidal has not presented supporting documents for their arguement.

I know Prince was anti contract. I am inclined to believe that the BOD (Board of Directors) would not agree to a handshake deal. I find that hard to accept. Companies do not want to be involved in lengthy and expensive litigations, hence the contracts.

I believe that the agreement/contract between Prince and Tidal was smooth. After Prince's passing, I get the impression Tidal crossed lines and streamed music it was not contracted to stream.

What if they streamed it because they got the okay to do it from Pheadra? They certainly had to get the files from someone affilated with the LLC. Without it being in writing because it might have been at the talking stages or a part of some memorandum of understanding which is not a contract. Maybe bringing in Van who introduced Prince to Pheadra is Omarr way of trying to correct matters.

Reply #493 posted 12/27/16 12:37pm

laurarichardson

cloveringold85 said:

Laura said:

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Why would he continue to send content if he received no upfront money or royalties or had no stake in the company? He was still sending content a few days before he died.

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My question is this; do we have proof that Prince was "physically" sending those files himself or did he instruct someone else to send files to Tidal?


You push a button. How much goes into sending a file.

Reply #494 posted 12/27/16 12:44pm

nelcp777

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

Her request for sealing documents could be 2 fold:

One, she provided the files after Prince's passing, which was not part of the original contract with Tidal.

Two, funds were collected at the LLC level, but never passed down to the shareholder(s). This may have not been intentional, but could be viewed as shady.

These points would also support your arguement that she was not right person for the managing of the LLC. Perhaps, as a sign of gratitude for getting Prince his masters, Prince listed her as a manager. For all we know, Prince could have had expectations of running NPG LLC and did not think much of having her listed as the manager.

I am sure that there is a lot more going on behind doors on the legal end than we know. I just can not understand why Tidal has not presented supporting documents for their arguement.

I know Prince was anti contract. I am inclined to believe that the BOD (Board of Directors) would not agree to a handshake deal. I find that hard to accept. Companies do not want to be involved in lengthy and expensive litigations, hence the contracts.

I believe that the agreement/contract between Prince and Tidal was smooth. After Prince's passing, I get the impression Tidal crossed lines and streamed music it was not contracted to stream.

What if they streamed it because they got the okay to do it from Pheadra? They certainly had to get the files from someone affilated with the LLC. Without it being in writing because it might have been at the talking stages or a part of some memorandum of understanding which is not a contract. Maybe bringing in Van who introduced Prince to Pheadra is Omarr way of trying to correct matters.

That is a possible scenario and could have likely happened. However, since there was not a will, did the NPG LLC have the rights to arbitrarily release music? There is a lot we do not know, but I would imagine that the LLC would have to at a minimum, consult with the SA.

Bremer was going thru all of Prince's documents to determine what companies and business arrangements Prince was involved with. If Phaedra provided the files and gave permission, did she really have the authority? I understand she is listed as a manager, but if the LLC was not covered under a trust, then she should have gone to the SA. I mean, Bremer shut down the PP events, which is understandable.

The complexity of Prince's business is intriguing and also a headache. The Copyright laws alone seem to be nightmare.

If the NPG LLC was a trust, Phaedra would not have to have the documents sealed would she?

Reply #495 posted 12/27/16 1:53pm

cloveringold85

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm quite perplexed by what Laura said also.... (Prince took the drugs and knew the risk)??.

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I'm very surprised that you would say that, Laura given the fact that we still do not know at this time if he knew what he was taking, and we still do not know where the lethal Fentanyl came from.

Anytime you take any drugs with an Rx or without an Rx you are taking a risk. Pain pills will have damaging effects on your organs over time and if you are taking them without a doctor's supervision your are assuming a risk to your health.

I do not believe that Prince was strung on the meds he was taking but I do believe he was taking them off the books and therefore was playing a dangerous game with health.

I do not believe he knew he was taking the Fentanyl but I do believe he was taking some pain pills without the approval of a doctor.

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Fair enough. Thanks for clearing that up.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #496 posted 12/27/16 1:57pm

laurarichardson

nelcp777 said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



nelcp777 said:


 


Her request for sealing documents could be 2 fold:


 


One, she provided the files after Prince's passing, which was not part of the original contract with Tidal.


 


Two, funds were collected at the LLC level, but never passed down to the shareholder(s). This may have not been intentional, but could be viewed as shady. 


 


These points would also support your arguement that she was not right person for the managing of the LLC. Perhaps, as a sign of gratitude for getting Prince his masters, Prince listed her as a manager. For all we know, Prince could have had expectations of running NPG LLC and did not think much of having her listed as the manager.


 


I am sure that there is a lot more going on behind doors on the legal end than we know. I just can not understand why Tidal has not presented supporting documents for their arguement. 


 


I know Prince was anti contract. I am inclined to believe that the BOD (Board of Directors) would not agree to a handshake deal. I find that hard to accept. Companies do not want to be involved in lengthy and expensive litigations, hence the contracts. 


 


I believe that the agreement/contract between Prince and Tidal was smooth. After Prince's passing, I get the impression Tidal crossed lines and streamed music it was not contracted to stream. 



What if they streamed it because they got the okay to do it from Pheadra? They certainly had to get the files from someone affilated with the LLC.  Without it being in writing because it might have been at the talking stages or a part of some memorandum of understanding which is not a contract. Maybe bringing in Van who introduced Prince to Pheadra is Omarr way of trying to correct matters.



That is a possible scenario and could have likely happened. However, since there was not a will, did the NPG LLC have the rights to arbitrarily release music? There is a lot we do not know, but I would imagine that the LLC would have to at a minimum, consult with the SA. 


Bremer was going thru all of Prince's documents to determine what companies and business arrangements Prince was involved with. If Phaedra provided the files and gave permission, did she really have the authority? I understand she is listed as a manager, but if the LLC was not covered under a trust, then she should have gone to the SA. I mean, Bremer shut down the PP events, which is understandable. 


The complexity of Prince's business is intriguing and also a headache. The Copyright laws alone seem to be nightmare. 


If the NPG LLC was a trust, Phaedra would not have to have the documents sealed would she?


 


 


-/Why is the lawsuit in Federal court NPG LLC vs Roc Nation and not the Estate of Prince Rogers Nelson vs Roc Nation? I would think the LLC if it is a part of the estate would not be listed as the party suing. In fact Pheadra would have been working for the estate as soon as Breamer took over. In fact I think they would have dismissed her and just had Universal administer. Which right now people on Facebook are saying that takedown notices are coming from the LLC not Universal. Who is acting as the admin for the estate?
Reply #497 posted 12/27/16 6:26pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

Your back tracking now. You said that Prince supported Jay Z because he liked the idea of supporting a Black Owned Business. Do you want me to copy and past your quote???? It doesn't matter if Jay Z is a shareholder. He is not CEO and he does not own TIDAL....period. He DID lie because he promoted TIDAL as if he was the owner of the service and he is not. I never implied that Prince was a "moron" or not capable of making decisions. I have said from the very beginning that Prince was misled and trusted Jay Z. He probably was fed a bunch of lies and wanted to support Jay Z and his "fraudulent vision". Since Prince was very interested in mentoring and helping the next generation, I believe that is why he trusted Jay Z and wanted to support him and no that does not make him a moron. That actually makes him a honorable and admirable human being which most middle age adults should aspire too. Jay Z just took advantage. This is not rocket science.

I believe that Prince did support the business because the majority of ownership was black. Prince never made that statement in print because he was not stupid. I meaning me believe that black ownership was one of his reasons for wanting to be involved. I am not backing down from that.

It does matter if Jay-Z is a majority shareholder in the company. Majority shareholders have more pull then a CEO who only server at the pleasure of a board of directors or owner(s). I do not know if Jay-Z ever said he was the sole owner of Tidal if he was he trying to use that to get others to buy shares in the company. You are going to have to find something to prove that he said he was the sole owner.

If he said it perhaps he meant it in a bragging matter much like Hip Hop itself. No one believes some dude has a 20 foot long private part because he puts that nonsense in a Rap song.It is called bragging or building something up. (Why does this have to be explained) What matters in a business is what is on paper and anyone that wanted to do business with Tidal or be a share owner would have access to the articles of incorporation and would find out who owned what portion of the company. It would not have been a mystery.

Jay Z did not take advangtage of Prince. Once again Prince had the means to find out anything he wanted to find out about Tidal he was not going to put his catalogue on a platform without checking it out first and I will never believe he received no money and keep the material up on the site for a year. This was a major business transaction for Prince and NPG LLP music he was not running a lemonade stand. If anything bad happend if was after he died which would fall in the lap of Pheadra and Breamer for not handling those matters in a timely fashion.

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WHY do you keep saying TIDAL is majority Black owned when it is not?????? I have already given you receipts that show it is not BUT you keep saying that it is??? lol I even posted a picture that shows that none of the workers at TIDAL are Black, not one Black person in that photo! Shareholder is NOT the same as CEO and a CEO is the highest rank and position in a company. Your dedication to TIDAL and Jay Z is mind blowing at this point. lol

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Reply #498 posted 12/28/16 6:10am

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

I believe that Prince did support the business because the majority of ownership was black. Prince never made that statement in print because he was not stupid. I meaning me believe that black ownership was one of his reasons for wanting to be involved. I am not backing down from that.

It does matter if Jay-Z is a majority shareholder in the company. Majority shareholders have more pull then a CEO who only server at the pleasure of a board of directors or owner(s). I do not know if Jay-Z ever said he was the sole owner of Tidal if he was he trying to use that to get others to buy shares in the company. You are going to have to find something to prove that he said he was the sole owner.

If he said it perhaps he meant it in a bragging matter much like Hip Hop itself. No one believes some dude has a 20 foot long private part because he puts that nonsense in a Rap song.It is called bragging or building something up. (Why does this have to be explained) What matters in a business is what is on paper and anyone that wanted to do business with Tidal or be a share owner would have access to the articles of incorporation and would find out who owned what portion of the company. It would not have been a mystery.

Jay Z did not take advangtage of Prince. Once again Prince had the means to find out anything he wanted to find out about Tidal he was not going to put his catalogue on a platform without checking it out first and I will never believe he received no money and keep the material up on the site for a year. This was a major business transaction for Prince and NPG LLP music he was not running a lemonade stand. If anything bad happend if was after he died which would fall in the lap of Pheadra and Breamer for not handling those matters in a timely fashion.

WHY do you keep saying TIDAL is majority Black owned when it is not?????? I have already given you receipts that show it is not BUT you keep saying that it is??? lol I even posted a picture that shows that none of the workers at TIDAL are Black, not one Black person in that photo! Shareholder is NOT the same as CEO and a CEO is the highest rank and position in a company. Your dedication to TIDAL and Jay Z is mind blowing at this point. lol

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Do you know anything about business? All you did was show a picture of a bunch of people that are supposed to be employees of Tidal. The picture of a bunch of people tells us nothing and is not a receipt ( you say proof ) about who the shareholders are. Even if these people in the picture are employees that does not mean that are shareholders in the company also known as owners. The people in the picture could be shareholders if part of their compensation is stock but I have no way of knowing if this is the case. Do you know if he people in the picture are shareholders? In a nutshell the employees could have nothing to do with the majority ownership of the company.

You are correct a shareholder is not the same as a CEO. A shareholder actually has ownership in the company and depending on how many shares they own they along with other shareholders can have much more power than a CEO.

Please see some definitions

Chief executive officer

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(Redirected from CEO)

"Chief Executive", "CEO", and "CEOs" redirect here. For other uses, see Chief executive (disambiguation) and CEO (disambiguation).

A chief executive officer (CEO)[1] describes the position of the most senior corporate officer, executive, leader or administrator in charge of managing an organization. CEOs lead a range of organizations, including public and private corporations, non-profit organizations and even some government organizations (e.g., Crown corporations). The CEO of a corporation or company typically reports to the board of directors and is charged with maximizing the value of the entity,[2] which may include maximizing the share price, market share, revenues, or another element. In the non-profit and government sector, CEOs typically aim at achieving outcomes related to the organization's mission, such as reducing poverty, increasing literacy, etc. Titles also often given to the holder of CEO position include president and chief executive (CE).[3]

Responsibilities

The responsibilities of an organization's CEO are set by the organization's board of directors or other authority, depending on the organization's legal structure. They can be far-reaching or quite limited and are typically enshrined in a formal delegation of authority. Typically, responsibilities include decision maker on strategy and other key policy issues, leader, manager, and executor. The communicator role can involve speaking to the press and the rest of the outside world, as well as to the organization's management and employees; the decision-making role involves high-level decisions about policy and strategy. As a leader of the company, the CEO/MD advises the board of directors, motivates employees, and drives change within the organization. As a manager, the CEO/MD presides over the organization's day-to-day operations.[4][5][6] The term refers to the person who makes all the key decisions regarding the company, which includes all sectors and fields of the business, including operations, marketing, business development, finance, human resources, etc. The CEO of a company is not necessarily the owner of the company.

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Reply #499 posted 12/28/16 6:13am

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

I believe that Prince did support the business because the majority of ownership was black. Prince never made that statement in print because he was not stupid. I meaning me believe that black ownership was one of his reasons for wanting to be involved. I am not backing down from that.

It does matter if Jay-Z is a majority shareholder in the company. Majority shareholders have more pull then a CEO who only server at the pleasure of a board of directors or owner(s). I do not know if Jay-Z ever said he was the sole owner of Tidal if he was he trying to use that to get others to buy shares in the company. You are going to have to find something to prove that he said he was the sole owner.

If he said it perhaps he meant it in a bragging matter much like Hip Hop itself. No one believes some dude has a 20 foot long private part because he puts that nonsense in a Rap song.It is called bragging or building something up. (Why does this have to be explained) What matters in a business is what is on paper and anyone that wanted to do business with Tidal or be a share owner would have access to the articles of incorporation and would find out who owned what portion of the company. It would not have been a mystery.

Jay Z did not take advangtage of Prince. Once again Prince had the means to find out anything he wanted to find out about Tidal he was not going to put his catalogue on a platform without checking it out first and I will never believe he received no money and keep the material up on the site for a year. This was a major business transaction for Prince and NPG LLP music he was not running a lemonade stand. If anything bad happend if was after he died which would fall in the lap of Pheadra and Breamer for not handling those matters in a timely fashion.

WHY do you keep saying TIDAL is majority Black owned when it is not?????? I have already given you receipts that show it is not BUT you keep saying that it is??? lol I even posted a picture that shows that none of the workers at TIDAL are Black, not one Black person in that photo! Shareholder is NOT the same as CEO and a CEO is the highest rank and position in a company. Your dedication to TIDAL and Jay Z is mind blowing at this point. lol

[Edited 12/27/16 18:28pm]

I really want you to read this below and think about it.

I have no dedication to Jay-Z or Tidal. I simply look at the facts which have been discussed in the above conversations if you would take the time to read something instead of going off of emotion you would see the big picture.

You do not like Jay-Z we get it so what. It has nothing to do with anything at all and if you took the time to read anything you would now that Jay-Z and other artist have an equity stake in Tidal we have no idea how much they have because it is a private company but it is possible that combined the group as a whole may have a majority share. He raised and spent 54 million to buy into the company I doubt he raised that money so he could be or remain a minority shareholder.

If you took two minutes to think you might wonder why so much hatred has been going on since Jay-Z and other artist brought into this business. Did you ever think the music industry might not like the idea of artist actually owning a stake in a streaming service considering the amount of profit streaming services and record labels are making and not including the artist in on?

Did you ever think that if artist own the streaming service they could eventually just put their music on the service without a record label at all?

Do you not realize that this is exactly what Prince was talking about 20 years ago?

Why do you think there is negativity against this company and this business model?

No one gives a rat’s ass about Jay-Z past as a drug dealer or that he was a rap artist there are people in the music industry who simply do not want artist to own a streaming services.

Reply #500 posted 12/28/16 6:51am

nelcp777

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

That is a possible scenario and could have likely happened. However, since there was not a will, did the NPG LLC have the rights to arbitrarily release music? There is a lot we do not know, but I would imagine that the LLC would have to at a minimum, consult with the SA.

Bremer was going thru all of Prince's documents to determine what companies and business arrangements Prince was involved with. If Phaedra provided the files and gave permission, did she really have the authority? I understand she is listed as a manager, but if the LLC was not covered under a trust, then she should have gone to the SA. I mean, Bremer shut down the PP events, which is understandable.

The complexity of Prince's business is intriguing and also a headache. The Copyright laws alone seem to be nightmare.

If the NPG LLC was a trust, Phaedra would not have to have the documents sealed would she?

-/Why is the lawsuit in Federal court NPG LLC vs Roc Nation and not the Estate of Prince Rogers Nelson vs Roc Nation? I would think the LLC if it is a part of the estate would not be listed as the party suing. In fact Pheadra would have been working for the estate as soon as Breamer took over. In fact I think they would have dismissed her and just had Universal administer. Which right now people on Facebook are saying that takedown notices are coming from the LLC not Universal. Who is acting as the admin for the estate?

Perhaps the lawsuit is in federal court due to the copyright of Prince's music is owned by the LLC, which according to Chapter 91, subsection 1498 of the Copyright Law:

(b) Hereafter, whenever the copyright in any work protected under the copyright laws of the United States shall be infringed by the United States, by a corporation owned or controlled by the United States, or by a contractor, subcontractor, or any person, firm, or corporation acting for the Government and with the authorization or consent of the Government, the exclusive action which may be brought for such infringement shall be an action by the copyright owner against the United States in the Court of Federal Claims for the recovery of his reasonable and entire compensation as damages for such infringement, including the minimum statutory damages as set forth in section 504(c) of title 17, United States Code: Provided, That a Government employee shall have a right of action against the Government under this subsection except where he was in a position to order, influence, or induce use of the copyrighted work by the Government: Provided, however, That this subsection shall not confer a right of action on any copyright owner or any assignee of such owner with respect to any copyrighted work prepared by a person while in the employment or service of the United States, where the copyrighted work was prepared as a part of the official functions of the employee, or in the preparation of which Government time, material, or facilities were used: And provided further, That before such action against the United States has been instituted the appropriate corporation owned or controlled by the United States or the head of the appropriate department or agency of the Government, as the case may be, is authorized to enter into an agreement with the copyright owner in full settlement and compromise for the damages accruing to him by reason of such infringement and to settle the claim administratively out of available appropriations.

Except as otherwise provided by law, no recovery shall be had for any infringement of a copyright covered by this subsection committed more than three years prior to the filing of the complaint or counterclaim for infringement in the action, except that the period between the date of receipt of a written claim for compensation by the Department or agency of the Government or corporation owned or controlled by the United States, as the case may be, having authority to settle such claim and the date of mailing by the Government of a notice to the claimant that his claim has been denied shall not be counted as a part of the three years, unless suit is brought before the last-mentioned date.

(c) The provisions of this section shall not apply to any claim arising in a foreign country.

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(e) Subsections (b) and (c) of this section apply to exclusive rights in mask works under chapter 9of title 17, and to exclusive rights in designs under chapter 13 of title 17, to the same extent as such subsections apply to copyrights.

Here is the link:

https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92appi.html

Again, after briefly reading the Copyright law, and I do mean briefly, I cannot imagine the complexity of the recording contracts. Not to mention the headaches and nightmares in the contract language.

There are missing pieces on the LLC, in my opinion. We do not know if it was set up as a trust. Also, I am inclined to believe that there are actions that are sealed with the court regarding the LLC that we are not aware of. We do not know if the LLC is in control of the Estate. I do believe the LLC does add value to the Estate, perhaps that is why it is in the Estate court documents.

We also do not know if Pheadra is currently managing the LLC. Perhaps the Universal deal was done because the non-excluded heirs felt Phaedra was not upholding her duties? Pure speculation.

Reply #501 posted 12/28/16 7:04am

laurarichardson

nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said: -/Why is the lawsuit in Federal court NPG LLC vs Roc Nation and not the Estate of Prince Rogers Nelson vs Roc Nation? I would think the LLC if it is a part of the estate would not be listed as the party suing. In fact Pheadra would have been working for the estate as soon as Breamer took over. In fact I think they would have dismissed her and just had Universal administer. Which right now people on Facebook are saying that takedown notices are coming from the LLC not Universal. Who is acting as the admin for the estate?

Perhaps the lawsuit is in federal court due to the copyright of Prince's music is owned by the LLC, which according to Chapter 91, subsection 1498 of the Copyright Law:

(b) Hereafter, whenever the copyright in any work protected under the copyright laws of the United States shall be infringed by the United States, by a corporation owned or controlled by the United States, or by a contractor, subcontractor, or any person, firm, or corporation acting for the Government and with the authorization or consent of the Government, the exclusive action which may be brought for such infringement shall be an action by the copyright owner against the United States in the Court of Federal Claims for the recovery of his reasonable and entire compensation as damages for such infringement, including the minimum statutory damages as set forth in section 504(c) of title 17, United States Code: Provided, That a Government employee shall have a right of action against the Government under this subsection except where he was in a position to order, influence, or induce use of the copyrighted work by the Government: Provided, however, That this subsection shall not confer a right of action on any copyright owner or any assignee of such owner with respect to any copyrighted work prepared by a person while in the employment or service of the United States, where the copyrighted work was prepared as a part of the official functions of the employee, or in the preparation of which Government time, material, or facilities were used: And provided further, That before such action against the United States has been instituted the appropriate corporation owned or controlled by the United States or the head of the appropriate department or agency of the Government, as the case may be, is authorized to enter into an agreement with the copyright owner in full settlement and compromise for the damages accruing to him by reason of such infringement and to settle the claim administratively out of available appropriations.

Except as otherwise provided by law, no recovery shall be had for any infringement of a copyright covered by this subsection committed more than three years prior to the filing of the complaint or counterclaim for infringement in the action, except that the period between the date of receipt of a written claim for compensation by the Department or agency of the Government or corporation owned or controlled by the United States, as the case may be, having authority to settle such claim and the date of mailing by the Government of a notice to the claimant that his claim has been denied shall not be counted as a part of the three years, unless suit is brought before the last-mentioned date.

(c) The provisions of this section shall not apply to any claim arising in a foreign country.

* * * * * * * * * *

(e) Subsections (b) and (c) of this section apply to exclusive rights in mask works under chapter 9of title 17, and to exclusive rights in designs under chapter 13 of title 17, to the same extent as such subsections apply to copyrights.

Here is the link:

https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92appi.html

Again, after briefly reading the Copyright law, and I do mean briefly, I cannot imagine the complexity of the recording contracts. Not to mention the headaches and nightmares in the contract language.

There are missing pieces on the LLC, in my opinion. We do not know if it was set up as a trust. Also, I am inclined to believe that there are actions that are sealed with the court regarding the LLC that we are not aware of. We do not know if the LLC is in control of the Estate. I do believe the LLC does add value to the Estate, perhaps that is why it is in the Estate court documents.

We also do not know if Pheadra is currently managing the LLC. Perhaps the Universal deal was done because the non-excluded heirs felt Phaedra was not upholding her duties? Pure speculation.

If the LLC is now a part of the estate it would just be another assest that can be managed as a part of the estate or sold off just like other properties were sold however, I noticed that the Purple Rain house was not put on the market and that house was purchased by the LLC.

I guess the missing piece here is that we do not know how the LLC was structed and Universal could have been brought in to manage the LLC and not actually completely take over admin duites. I know people are saying take down notices are coming from the LLC not Universal.

Reply #502 posted 12/28/16 9:56am

wavesofbliss

many artists could have done this streaming stuff properly 10-12 yrs ago. that it has suddenly become "a thing" makes it very suspicious to me. if artist turly meant to be free, including mr. nelson who prefered to spend his money on farmland and fancy suits(his perogative) all of this would have happened sooner. and jay-zis SO deep in the industry there is no fucking way TIdal isn't some kind of industry thing. to hell with the pitch- jay-z is as much a corporate spokesman as christy turlington is for maybeline. deal

Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND
Reply #503 posted 12/28/16 10:20am

laurarichardson

wavesofbliss said:

many artists could have done this streaming stuff properly 10-12 yrs ago. that it has suddenly become "a thing" makes it very suspicious to me. if artist turly meant to be free, including mr. nelson who prefered to spend his money on farmland and fancy suits(his perogative) all of this would have happened sooner. and jay-zis SO deep in the industry there is no fucking way TIdal isn't some kind of industry thing. to hell with the pitch- jay-z is as much a corporate spokesman as christy turlington is for maybeline. deal

Prince had a subscription service 15 years ago and people bitched about how elistist it was. A lot of that bitching was done on this board. Prince worked with record lables as a partner and independenly much more than any artist at this level. The last CD he put out was done independently and he was using a peer to peer distrubution system.

Spending his money on real estate was a smart move. Look at what it was worth. Land is never going to lose its value.

If you look into Tidal it is not owned by any of the labels however, it would not surprise me if one of the lables tries to buy it or Apple or Goggle tries to buy it.

A independly run streaming company not controlled by established record lables is possible. A few years ago people were not taking OWN serisouly yet the women that use to host and produce programming now owns a network.

[Edited 12/28/16 10:50am]

Reply #504 posted 12/28/16 10:30am

nelcp777

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

Perhaps the lawsuit is in federal court due to the copyright of Prince's music is owned by the LLC, which according to Chapter 91, subsection 1498 of the Copyright Law:

(b) Hereafter, whenever the copyright in any work protected under the copyright laws of the United States shall be infringed by the United States, by a corporation owned or controlled by the United States, or by a contractor, subcontractor, or any person, firm, or corporation acting for the Government and with the authorization or consent of the Government, the exclusive action which may be brought for such infringement shall be an action by the copyright owner against the United States in the Court of Federal Claims for the recovery of his reasonable and entire compensation as damages for such infringement, including the minimum statutory damages as set forth in section 504(c) of title 17, United States Code: Provided, That a Government employee shall have a right of action against the Government under this subsection except where he was in a position to order, influence, or induce use of the copyrighted work by the Government: Provided, however, That this subsection shall not confer a right of action on any copyright owner or any assignee of such owner with respect to any copyrighted work prepared by a person while in the employment or service of the United States, where the copyrighted work was prepared as a part of the official functions of the employee, or in the preparation of which Government time, material, or facilities were used: And provided further, That before such action against the United States has been instituted the appropriate corporation owned or controlled by the United States or the head of the appropriate department or agency of the Government, as the case may be, is authorized to enter into an agreement with the copyright owner in full settlement and compromise for the damages accruing to him by reason of such infringement and to settle the claim administratively out of available appropriations.

Except as otherwise provided by law, no recovery shall be had for any infringement of a copyright covered by this subsection committed more than three years prior to the filing of the complaint or counterclaim for infringement in the action, except that the period between the date of receipt of a written claim for compensation by the Department or agency of the Government or corporation owned or controlled by the United States, as the case may be, having authority to settle such claim and the date of mailing by the Government of a notice to the claimant that his claim has been denied shall not be counted as a part of the three years, unless suit is brought before the last-mentioned date.

(c) The provisions of this section shall not apply to any claim arising in a foreign country.

* * * * * * * * * *

(e) Subsections (b) and (c) of this section apply to exclusive rights in mask works under chapter 9of title 17, and to exclusive rights in designs under chapter 13 of title 17, to the same extent as such subsections apply to copyrights.

Here is the link:

https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92appi.html

Again, after briefly reading the Copyright law, and I do mean briefly, I cannot imagine the complexity of the recording contracts. Not to mention the headaches and nightmares in the contract language.

There are missing pieces on the LLC, in my opinion. We do not know if it was set up as a trust. Also, I am inclined to believe that there are actions that are sealed with the court regarding the LLC that we are not aware of. We do not know if the LLC is in control of the Estate. I do believe the LLC does add value to the Estate, perhaps that is why it is in the Estate court documents.

We also do not know if Pheadra is currently managing the LLC. Perhaps the Universal deal was done because the non-excluded heirs felt Phaedra was not upholding her duties? Pure speculation.

If the LLC is now a part of the estate it would just be another assest that can be managed as a part of the estate or sold off just like other properties were sold however, I noticed that the Purple Rain house was not put on the market and that house was purchased by the LLC.

I guess the missing piece here is that we do not know how the LLC was structed and Universal could have been brought in to manage the LLC and not actually completely take over admin duites. I know people are saying take down notices are coming from the LLC not Universal.

It is quite possible Universal is managing the LLC and ensuring the publishing is being paid and protected. That may also explain why the LLC is doing the takedown notices and not Universal. (I am not a lawer so I am speculating).

The nonexcluded heirs may have decided not to sell the PR house either for possible tours or per Prince's wishes, like the museum. Again, speculation. It was revealed that the LLC did purchase the house. I found it interesting Prince purchased the house.

Which lends me to believe that Prince was looking at a lot of non-performing/retirement options to generate money. The PP museum and house may have been ideals to generate revenue. Prince seemed to be heading to rentals, though I have no evidence, just speculating.

The LLC seems to be another possible revenue generator. Selling tickets to shows was not an issue. Prince addressed the lack of revenue in music sales in interviews.

Tidal was pushed as an equity share business. Supposedly, no one has majority sales. I read that Jay-Z put about $56M into the company. The business model is that artists get equal equity shares and there are performer exclusives to generate sales. That was the sales pitch. Some artists jumped on board, Rihanna, Kanye, and even Prince at a later time. Here is a link to an article that gives some history on Tidal:

http://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-jay-zs-tidal-music-streaming-service-2016-8/#shortly-after-the-relaunch-word-came-that-chen-was-out-as-ceo-swedish-news-site-breakit-claimed-that-25-employees-in-aspiros-norway-office-had-also-been-forced-to-leave-tidal-denied-the-job-cuts-however-referring-to-them-as-redundancies-and-streamlining-15

Lastly, if Phaedra did leak the files to Tidal accidentally, why is Tidal not providing documents that the Estate is asking for? The lack of response from Tidal is raising flags to me,

Reply #505 posted 12/28/16 10:50am

laurarichardson

nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

If the LLC is now a part of the estate it would just be another assest that can be managed as a part of the estate or sold off just like other properties were sold however, I noticed that the Purple Rain house was not put on the market and that house was purchased by the LLC.

I guess the missing piece here is that we do not know how the LLC was structed and Universal could have been brought in to manage the LLC and not actually completely take over admin duites. I know people are saying take down notices are coming from the LLC not Universal.

It is quite possible Universal is managing the LLC and ensuring the publishing is being paid and protected. That may also explain why the LLC is doing the takedown notices and not Universal. (I am not a lawer so I am speculating).

The nonexcluded heirs may have decided not to sell the PR house either for possible tours or per Prince's wishes, like the museum. Again, speculation. It was revealed that the LLC did purchase the house. I found it interesting Prince purchased the house.

Which lends me to believe that Prince was looking at a lot of non-performing/retirement options to generate money. The PP museum and house may have been ideals to generate revenue. Prince seemed to be heading to rentals, though I have no evidence, just speculating.

The LLC seems to be another possible revenue generator. Selling tickets to shows was not an issue. Prince addressed the lack of revenue in music sales in interviews.

Tidal was pushed as an equity share business. Supposedly, no one has majority sales. I read that Jay-Z put about $56M into the company. The business model is that artists get equal equity shares and there are performer exclusives to generate sales. That was the sales pitch. Some artists jumped on board, Rihanna, Kanye, and even Prince at a later time. Here is a link to an article that gives some history on Tidal:

http://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-jay-zs-tidal-music-streaming-service-2016-8/#shortly-after-the-relaunch-word-came-that-chen-was-out-as-ceo-swedish-news-site-breakit-claimed-that-25-employees-in-aspiros-norway-office-had-also-been-forced-to-leave-tidal-denied-the-job-cuts-however-referring-to-them-as-redundancies-and-streamlining-15

Lastly, if Phaedra did leak the files to Tidal accidentally, why is Tidal not providing documents that the Estate is asking for? The lack of response from Tidal is raising flags to me,

Prince had been buying Real Estate both residential and commercial for years. I believe he was really running a whole another real estate business aside from his music interest one of his properties is a 20 million dollar commercial building.

If supposedly, none of the artist have majority shares then the original owners of the company Aspiro would still hold the majority shares and I would think that they may be the ones holding on to documents. The company is based out of Sweden and they do not have to do what our Federal courts say. The admin for Prince's estate and the courts would have to work with the Swedish Govt to stop copyright infringement. Also any documents that Tidal has would be proprietary information and Tidal could be concerned about information about their business getting out to their competitors. I doubt if they turn over anything without getting a lot of info redacted. In addtion, Breamer is out so maybe they knew that and want to see what happens with the new admin.

Reply #506 posted 12/28/16 11:05am

wavesofbliss

of course land is agood sound investment. my point is that for someone who bitched and complained as much as he did about the industry,system etc. while having plenty of means to rectify his own situations he did not put his money where his mouth was. he could have spent 10-20 million that he holds in land and developed his own streaming service where by he could stream old on new and vault stuff with no interference. it would be a secure place to maintian and control the output of his music and provide a steady stream of income, ideally becoming self-sustaining. those were my hopes for the NPGMC and what he charged as a membership fee could have helped provide maintence and up kept for the service. instead he used it to vet and arguably fleece his fanbase. another opportunity lost.

Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND
Reply #507 posted 12/28/16 11:14am

laurarichardson

wavesofbliss said:

of course land is agood sound investment. my point is that for someone who bitched and complained as much as he did about the industry,system etc. while having plenty of means to rectify his own situations he did not put his money where his mouth was. he could have spent 10-20 million that he holds in land and developed his own streaming service where by he could stream old on new and vault stuff with no interference. it would be a secure place to maintian and control the output of his music and provide a steady stream of income, ideally becoming self-sustaining. those were my hopes for the NPGMC and what he charged as a membership fee could have helped provide maintence and up kept for the service. instead he used it to vet and arguably fleece his fanbase. another opportunity lost.

I guess you expected an independent artist to use his own money to start a streaming service with only his music on it because how would he have conveinced other artist to leave their lables.

He would have lost his shirt doing something like that with his own money. You never use your own money. You find investerors or you go to banks. Do you think Jay used his own 54 million to buy into Tidal? Prince had a small music club for a few years that allowed fans to go to sound checks and after parties and get some music. It suited his purpose and I do not remember anyone complaining about the soundchecks or after parties. I do remember people complaining about the price and the elististness have having to essentially rent the music.

My guess is he probaly did not get more than a few thousand members and probaly bearly broke even on it since people back then were stuck on CDs and bitching about files they could not own.

Now millions of people pay for streaming services for files they still do not own.While thousands of artist continue to receive mere pennies in revenue.

Reply #508 posted 12/28/16 11:28am

wavesofbliss

laurarichardson said:

wavesofbliss said:

of course land is agood sound investment. my point is that for someone who bitched and complained as much as he did about the industry,system etc. while having plenty of means to rectify his own situations he did not put his money where his mouth was. he could have spent 10-20 million that he holds in land and developed his own streaming service where by he could stream old on new and vault stuff with no interference. it would be a secure place to maintian and control the output of his music and provide a steady stream of income, ideally becoming self-sustaining. those were my hopes for the NPGMC and what he charged as a membership fee could have helped provide maintence and up kept for the service. instead he used it to vet and arguably fleece his fanbase. another opportunity lost.

I guess you expected an independent artist to use his own money to start a streaming service with only his music on it because how would he have conveinced other artist to leave their lables.

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yep. just like truly independant artists do who work at domino's on the wkend to buy studio time or press up their own cds. yep, just like ani difrance and countless other independent artists who don't own 50 million in real estate purchased with money they earned from being a major label artist for 15 yrs. artists who don't go around preaching about being "free and independant" while they live like kept women on major label money. the 90s were a major transistion in the record industry. 2000s are a major transistion in distribution and IP rights. oh and fuck jz!

Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND
Reply #509 posted 12/28/16 11:33am

laurarichardson

wavesofbliss said:

laurarichardson said:

I guess you expected an independent artist to use his own money to start a streaming service with only his music on it because how would he have conveinced other artist to leave their lables.

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yep. just like truly independant artists do who work at domino's on the wkend to buy studio time or press up their own cds. yep, just like ani difrance and countless other independent artists who don't own 50 million in real estate purchased with money they earned from being a major label artist for 15 yrs. artists who don't go around preaching about being "free and independant" while they live like kept women on major label money. the 90s were a major transistion in the record industry. 2000s are a major transistion in distribution and IP rights. oh and fuck jz!

Prince printed up his own CDs for most of the last 15 years and according to the promoters of Musicology split the cost of producting those CDs at the concerts making 6 million off them.

Sorry but the whole idea of leaving a major lable was to make more money off the recorded music not less. Prince never worked a job outside of the music business and he would not have been successful if he started delivering pizzas at 40. You move up not back.

Nobody cares about Jay-Z but you keep yelling fuck Jay Z if it makes you feel better. eek

Reply #510 posted 12/28/16 1:09pm

nelcp777

laurarichardson said:

Prince had been buying Real Estate both residential and commercial for years. I believe he was really running a whole another real estate business aside from his music interest one of his properties is a 20 million dollar commercial building.

If supposedly, none of the artist have majority shares then the original owners of the company Aspiro would still hold the majority shares and I would think that they may be the ones holding on to documents. The company is based out of Sweden and they do not have to do what our Federal courts say. The admin for Prince's estate and the courts would have to work with the Swedish Govt to stop copyright infringement. Also any documents that Tidal has would be proprietary information and Tidal could be concerned about information about their business getting out to their competitors. I doubt if they turn over anything without getting a lot of info redacted. In addtion, Breamer is out so maybe they knew that and want to see what happens with the new admin.

I wonder if Prince had other business investments. Just like the fitness club that owned the private plane Prince was on from Atlanta.

You are correct, the Parent company is from Norway. If Tidal is incorporated in the US, which I do not know, then would Tidal not be under the jurisdiction of US law? According to Bloomberg, ROC Nation is a LLC and a subsidiary of Live Nation Entertainment. That makes me believe, regardless of their parent, they are responsible to US federal court jurisdiction.

Tidal Music is a subsidary of Norwegian based Aspiro. Again, I believe that Tidal is within jurisdiction. If the estate does not name Aspiro in the lawsuit, then Tidal, regardless of the parent's location, will have to respond and defend themselves in the lawsuit. I am sure Tidal and ROC can have financial documents sealed during the court proceedings.

Reply #511 posted 12/28/16 1:42pm

laurarichardson

nelcp777 said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



 



Prince had been buying Real Estate both residential and commercial for years. I believe he was really running a whole another real estate business aside from his music interest one of his properties is a 20 million dollar commercial building.


 


If supposedly, none of the artist have majority shares then the original owners of the company Aspiro would still hold the majority shares and I would think that they may be the ones holding on to documents. The company is based out of Sweden and they do not have to do what our Federal courts say. The admin for Prince's estate and the courts would have to work with the Swedish Govt to stop copyright infringement. Also any documents that Tidal has would be proprietary information and Tidal could be concerned about information about their business getting out to their competitors. I doubt if they turn over anything without getting a lot of info redacted. In addtion, Breamer is out so maybe they knew that and want to see what happens with the new admin.



I wonder if Prince had other business investments. Just like the fitness club that owned the private plane Prince was on from Atlanta. 


 


You are correct, the Parent company is from Norway. If Tidal is incorporated in the US, which I do not know, then would Tidal not be under the jurisdiction of US law? According to Bloomberg, ROC Nation is a LLC and a subsidiary of Live Nation Entertainment. That makes me believe, regardless of their parent, they are responsible to US federal court jurisdiction.


 


Tidal Music is a subsidary of Norwegian based Aspiro. Again, I believe that Tidal is within jurisdiction. If the estate does not name Aspiro in the lawsuit, then Tidal, regardless of the parent's location, will have to respond and defend themselves in the lawsuit. I am sure Tidal and ROC can have financial documents sealed during the court proceedings. 


 


 


/-/I am sure he had other investments as Breamer at one point referred to the estate as a vast entertainment/ business empire. The jurisdiction of the court over the subsidiary dependent on how the parent/subsidiary relationship is structured it does not matter because U.S courts have had success working with foreign governments to stop copyright infringement. I still find it weird that most of the catalog is still up on the site you would think an injunction would have forced it all to come down since all parties agree to the 90 day exclusivity clause.
Reply #512 posted 12/28/16 5:15pm

nelcp777

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

I wonder if Prince had other business investments. Just like the fitness club that owned the private plane Prince was on from Atlanta.

You are correct, the Parent company is from Norway. If Tidal is incorporated in the US, which I do not know, then would Tidal not be under the jurisdiction of US law? According to Bloomberg, ROC Nation is a LLC and a subsidiary of Live Nation Entertainment. That makes me believe, regardless of their parent, they are responsible to US federal court jurisdiction.

Tidal Music is a subsidary of Norwegian based Aspiro. Again, I believe that Tidal is within jurisdiction. If the estate does not name Aspiro in the lawsuit, then Tidal, regardless of the parent's location, will have to respond and defend themselves in the lawsuit. I am sure Tidal and ROC can have financial documents sealed during the court proceedings.

/-/I am sure he had other investments as Breamer at one point referred to the estate as a vast entertainment/ business empire. The jurisdiction of the court over the subsidiary dependent on how the parent/subsidiary relationship is structured it does not matter because U.S courts have had success working with foreign governments to stop copyright infringement. I still find it weird that most of the catalog is still up on the site you would think an injunction would have forced it all to come down since all parties agree to the 90 day exclusivity clause.

I agree with you about the injunction and material still being on the site. This is a mess. From trying to do a brief research on Tidal, it has had it share of litigation in recent years and the company is fairly new.

Reply #513 posted 12/28/16 7:04pm

DD55

nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said: /-/I am sure he had other investments as Breamer at one point referred to the estate as a vast entertainment/ business empire. The jurisdiction of the court over the subsidiary dependent on how the parent/subsidiary relationship is structured it does not matter because U.S courts have had success working with foreign governments to stop copyright infringement. I still find it weird that most of the catalog is still up on the site you would think an injunction would have forced it all to come down since all parties agree to the 90 day exclusivity clause.

I agree with you about the injunction and material still being on the site. This is a mess. From trying to do a brief research on Tidal, it has had it share of litigation in recent years and the company is fairly new.

This is my personal opinion, I don’t have any actual knowledge of the situation and I’m simply speculating like many others do on the org.


.

As I see it, this discussion is simple; the issue is whether or not Tidal had the legal/contractual rights to post P’s entire catalog on Tidal in June. What’s to discuss? This will all come out in court; all this speculating, liking/not liking someone and character slurs won’t change the ‘legal’ decisions at the end of the day.

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So the possibilities (that we know of):

1) There is a contractual agreement whereby Tidal will be cleared of wrongdoing. End of case.

2) No legal/contractual agreement prior to posting the files, in that Tidal did not have the specific ‘rights’ to post P’s entire catalog on Tidal -- but went ahead and did so anyway.

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Jayz isn’t a stupid man, and I’m sure Tidal has the legal recourses to advise him of the consequences of posting albums and songs without written / specific permission.

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///So, here is where my view is different. What if Tidal did not have the rights to post? They weighted the all consequences, potential fines, and ramifications (with their legal staff) and still posted the files anyway?

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Maybe Jayz/Tidal are courageous and should be admired. In honoring, Prince, they made sure the world had access to the entire catalog regardless of the potential personal consequences.

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Much of P’s music had never been heard before because people simply didn’t have access to it and many were unaware. Tidal changed all that! Now fans are (re)discovering many long out of print albums that simply have never seen the light of day outside a select fan base.

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Contract or not, Jayz may have done more for P’s legacy than anyone else by ‘freeing’ ALL of his music for everyone to enjoy.

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As for getting paid …. I really don’t care to be a watch dog of the ‘estate’, these people (siblings) will be getting millions of dollars for doing nothing, so if they get a tiny bet less money, who cares?

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Don't want to upset anyone, thisi is just my opinion.

[Edited 12/28/16 19:06pm]

Reply #514 posted 12/28/16 8:17pm

wavesofbliss

laurarichardson said:

wavesofbliss said:

yep. just like truly independant artists do who work at domino's on the wkend to buy studio time or press up their own cds. yep, just like ani difrance and countless other independent artists who don't own 50 million in real estate purchased with money they earned from being a major label artist for 15 yrs. artists who don't go around preaching about being "free and independant" while they live like kept women on major label money. the 90s were a major transistion in the record industry. 2000s are a major transistion in distribution and IP rights. oh and fuck jz!

Prince printed up his own CDs for most of the last 15 years and according to the promoters of Musicology split the cost of producting those CDs at the concerts making 6 million off them.

<><><> i read that story too. good for him if he started putting his money where his mouth was.

Sorry but the whole idea of leaving a major lable was to make more money off the recorded music not less.

<><><><> yep. and in the long run he would have bcos he would have been sole propritor of his work. esp after he got his masters back.as well as avoiding alot of this BS that's going on now bcos he would already have a model and mechinism in place.

Prince never worked a job outside of the music business and he would not have been successful if he started delivering pizzas at 40. You move up not back.

<><><><> WTF is this about? i wasn't suggesting he do that. i was making the point that he had more capitol than those artists do but they r willing to sell pizza if need be. prince still wanted to live like a kept woman and maintain ridiculous overheads and waste cash on money pits like glam slam clubs and npg dance co. all while crying about not making money bcos of the record company. he could have invested in the tech of file sharing and more recently streaming tech that would have been of longterm benefit to his work and legacy and well and truly ahead of his time.

<><><>i'm not slagging him off, i'm just considering a few of the missed oppurtunites.

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Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND
Reply #515 posted 12/28/16 8:52pm

Lovejunky

wavesofbliss said:

laurarichardson said:

Prince printed up his own CDs for most of the last 15 years and according to the promoters of Musicology split the cost of producting those CDs at the concerts making 6 million off them.

<><><> i read that story too. good for him if he started putting his money where his mouth was.

Sorry but the whole idea of leaving a major lable was to make more money off the recorded music not less.

<><><><> yep. and in the long run he would have bcos he would have been sole propritor of his work. esp after he got his masters back.as well as avoiding alot of this BS that's going on now bcos he would already have a model and mechinism in place.

Prince never worked a job outside of the music business and he would not have been successful if he started delivering pizzas at 40. You move up not back.

<><><><> WTF is this about? i wasn't suggesting he do that. i was making the point that he had more capitol than those artists do but they r willing to sell pizza if need be. prince still wanted to live like a kept woman and maintain ridiculous overheads and waste cash on money pits like glam slam clubs and npg dance co. all while crying about not making money bcos of the record company. he could have invested in the tech of file sharing and more recently streaming tech that would have been of longterm benefit to his work and legacy and well and truly ahead of his time.

<><><>i'm not slagging him off, i'm just considering a few of the missed oppurtunites.

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Wavesofbliss....

Surely you cant have missed the WHOLE Point of SLaVE ?

Prince was not crying about not making money because of Record Companies...he MADE MONEY

HIS POINT WAS..Why should the record companies make MORE than the Artists ..???

Thats what it is all about....

Thats WHY TIDAL....

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #516 posted 12/28/16 9:37pm

wavesofbliss

Lovejunky said:

wavesofbliss said:

Wavesofbliss....

Surely you cant have missed the WHOLE Point of SLaVE ?

no i didn't miss the point. and i stand by my comments. cool

Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND
Reply #517 posted 12/29/16 4:07am

laurarichardson

Lovejunky said:

wavesofbliss said:

Wavesofbliss....

Surely you cant have missed the WHOLE Point of SLaVE ?

Prince was not crying about not making money because of Record Companies...he MADE MONEY

HIS POINT WAS..Why should the record companies make MORE than the Artists ..???

Thats what it is all about....

Thats WHY TIDAL....

--Thank you. biggrin

Reply #518 posted 12/29/16 4:20am

laurarichardson

wavesofbliss said:

laurarichardson said:

Prince printed up his own CDs for most of the last 15 years and according to the promoters of Musicology split the cost of producting those CDs at the concerts making 6 million off them.

<><><> i read that story too. good for him if he started putting his money where his mouth was.

Sorry but the whole idea of leaving a major lable was to make more money off the recorded music not less.

<><><><> yep. and in the long run he would have bcos he would have been sole propritor of his work. esp after he got his masters back.as well as avoiding alot of this BS that's going on now bcos he would already have a model and mechinism in place.

Prince never worked a job outside of the music business and he would not have been successful if he started delivering pizzas at 40. You move up not back.

<><><><> WTF is this about? i wasn't suggesting he do that. i was making the point that he had more capitol than those artists do but they r willing to sell pizza if need be. prince still wanted to live like a kept woman and maintain ridiculous overheads and waste cash on money pits like glam slam clubs and npg dance co. all while crying about not making money bcos of the record company. he could have invested in the tech of file sharing and more recently streaming tech that would have been of longterm benefit to his work and legacy and well and truly ahead of his time.

<><><>i'm not slagging him off, i'm just considering a few of the missed oppurtunites.

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prince still wanted to live like a kept woman and maintain ridiculous overheads and waste cash on money pits like glam slam clubs and npg dance co. all while crying about not making money bcos of the record company”

I believe those business ventures were in place before things went sour with WB and those ventures and came to an end when he was fighting with the label. Having a place to showcase you music and letting fans hang out is not a waste. In the end he just did the same thing at Paisley Park by having dance parties and events. It is all a part of being an entrepreneur and no entrepreneur all of their money into one venture.

. “he could have invested in the tech of file sharing and more recently streaming tech that would have been of longterm benefit to his work and legacy and well and truly ahead of his time.”

Did you miss that NPG music club he was the first artist to have a music service were fans could purchase files to listen to. He did this 15 years before streaming came along now we have no idea how much money he made off of the club but I can remember people bitching and laughing about what he was doing. I am not sure why you do not recall any of this.

I think he did a great job when he went independent and I want you to name me another artist at Prince level that left a major label and was able to find a means to distribute their music on the scale that he did for as long as he did.If he missed a few opps so be it as he was doing about 90 other things.

Reply #519 posted 12/29/16 4:23am

laurarichardson

DD55 said:

nelcp777 said:

I agree with you about the injunction and material still being on the site. This is a mess. From trying to do a brief research on Tidal, it has had it share of litigation in recent years and the company is fairly new.

This is my personal opinion, I don’t have any actual knowledge of the situation and I’m simply speculating like many others do on the org.


.

As I see it, this discussion is simple; the issue is whether or not Tidal had the legal/contractual rights to post P’s entire catalog on Tidal in June. What’s to discuss? This will all come out in court; all this speculating, liking/not liking someone and character slurs won’t change the ‘legal’ decisions at the end of the day.

.

So the possibilities (that we know of):

1) There is a contractual agreement whereby Tidal will be cleared of wrongdoing. End of case.

2) No legal/contractual agreement prior to posting the files, in that Tidal did not have the specific ‘rights’ to post P’s entire catalog on Tidal -- but went ahead and did so anyway.

.

Jayz isn’t a stupid man, and I’m sure Tidal has the legal recourses to advise him of the consequences of posting albums and songs without written / specific permission.

.

///So, here is where my view is different. What if Tidal did not have the rights to post? They weighted the all consequences, potential fines, and ramifications (with their legal staff) and still posted the files anyway?

.

Maybe Jayz/Tidal are courageous and should be admired. In honoring, Prince, they made sure the world had access to the entire catalog regardless of the potential personal consequences.

.

Much of P’s music had never been heard before because people simply didn’t have access to it and many were unaware. Tidal changed all that! Now fans are (re)discovering many long out of print albums that simply have never seen the light of day outside a select fan base.

.

Contract or not, Jayz may have done more for P’s legacy than anyone else by ‘freeing’ ALL of his music for everyone to enjoy.

.

As for getting paid …. I really don’t care to be a watch dog of the ‘estate’, these people (siblings) will be getting millions of dollars for doing nothing, so if they get a tiny bet less money, who cares?

.

Don't want to upset anyone, thisi is just my opinion.

[Edited 12/28/16 19:06pm]

"As I see it, this discussion is simple; the issue is whether or not Tidal had the legal/contractual rights to post P’s entire catalog on Tidal in June. What’s to discuss? This will all come out in court; all this speculating, liking/not liking someone and character slurs won’t change the ‘legal’ decisions at the end of the day."

Exactly, the court will sort it out and if money is owed it will be payed. I also don't see how anyone can beat an injuction so Tidal must have some documentation and that will have to be given to a Federal court.

Reply #520 posted 12/29/16 7:19am

wavesofbliss

laurarichardson said:

Did you miss that NPG music club he was the first artist to have a music service were fans could purchase files to listen to. He did this 15 years before streaming came along now we have no idea how much money he made off of the club but I can remember people bitching and laughing about what he was doing. I am not sure why you do not recall any of this.

I think he did a great job when he went independent and I want you to name me another artist at Prince level that left a major label and was able to find a means to distribute their music on the scale that he did for as long as he did.If he missed a few opps so be it as he was doing about 90 other things.

sorta. there were so many complaints and weirdness i decided against it. i never paid much attention to his online presence after that. i'd just click around whatever site he had up at the time- if i could get in. i don't feel that missed much, he ended up releasing most of that music anyway. i enjoyed flipping thru that online museum they had up right after his death.

Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND
Reply #521 posted 12/31/16 2:54pm

laurarichardson

laurarichardson said:

 



DD55 said:


 



nelcp777 said:


 


I agree with you about the injunction and material still being on the site. This is a mess. From trying to do a brief research on Tidal, it has had it share of litigation in recent years and the company is fairly new.



This is my personal opinion, I don’t have any actual knowledge of the situation and I’m simply speculating like many others do on the org.




.


As I see it, this discussion is simple; the issue is whether or not Tidal had the legal/contractual rights to post P’s entire catalog on Tidal in June.  What’s to discuss?  This will all come out in court; all this speculating, liking/not liking someone and character slurs won’t change the ‘legal’ decisions at the end of the day. 


 


.


So the possibilities (that we know of):


1) There is a contractual agreement whereby Tidal will be cleared of wrongdoing.  End of case.


2)  No legal/contractual  agreement prior to posting the files, in that Tidal did not have the specific ‘rights’ to post P’s entire catalog on Tidal -- but went ahead and did so anyway.


 


.


Jayz isn’t a stupid man, and I’m sure Tidal has the legal recourses to advise him of the consequences of posting albums and songs without written / specific permission.


.


///So, here is where my view is different.  What if Tidal did not have the rights to post? They weighted the all consequences, potential fines, and ramifications (with their legal staff) and still posted the files anyway?


.


Maybe Jayz/Tidal are courageous and should be admired.  In honoring, Prince, they made sure the world had access to the entire catalog regardless of the potential personal consequences. 


.


Much of P’s music had never been heard before because people simply didn’t have access to it and many were unaware.  Tidal changed all that! Now fans are (re)discovering many long out of print albums that simply have never seen the light of day outside a select fan base.  


.


Contract or not, Jayz may have done more for P’s legacy than anyone else by ‘freeing’ ALL of his music for everyone to enjoy.


.


As for getting paid …. I really don’t care to be a watch dog of the ‘estate’, these people (siblings) will be getting millions of dollars for doing nothing, so if they get a tiny bet less money, who cares?


.


Don't want to upset anyone, thisi is just my opinion.


 


 


[Edited 12/28/16 19:06pm]



"As I see it, this discussion is simple; the issue is whether or not Tidal had the legal/contractual rights to post P’s entire catalog on Tidal in June. What’s to discuss? This will all come out in court; all this speculating, liking/not liking someone and character slurs won’t change the ‘legal’ decisions at the end of the day."


 Exactly, the court will sort it out and if money is owed it will be payed. I also don't see how anyone can beat an injuction so Tidal must have some documentation and that will have to be given to a Federal court. 


 


 


-/- The Gold Experience is back up on Tidal.
Reply #522 posted 01/01/17 12:20pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

WHY do you keep saying TIDAL is majority Black owned when it is not?????? I have already given you receipts that show it is not BUT you keep saying that it is??? lol I even posted a picture that shows that none of the workers at TIDAL are Black, not one Black person in that photo! Shareholder is NOT the same as CEO and a CEO is the highest rank and position in a company. Your dedication to TIDAL and Jay Z is mind blowing at this point. lol

[Edited 12/27/16 18:28pm]

Do you know anything about business? All you did was show a picture of a bunch of people that are supposed to be employees of Tidal. The picture of a bunch of people tells us nothing and is not a receipt ( you say proof ) about who the shareholders are. Even if these people in the picture are employees that does not mean that are shareholders in the company also known as owners. The people in the picture could be shareholders if part of their compensation is stock but I have no way of knowing if this is the case. Do you know if he people in the picture are shareholders? In a nutshell the employees could have nothing to do with the majority ownership of the company.

You are correct a shareholder is not the same as a CEO. A shareholder actually has ownership in the company and depending on how many shares they own they along with other shareholders can have much more power than a CEO.

Please see some definitions

Chief executive officer

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Redirected from CEO)

"Chief Executive", "CEO", and "CEOs" redirect here. For other uses, see Chief executive (disambiguation) and CEO (disambiguation).

A chief executive officer (CEO)[1] describes the position of the most senior corporate officer, executive, leader or administrator in charge of managing an organization. CEOs lead a range of organizations, including public and private corporations, non-profit organizations and even some government organizations (e.g., Crown corporations). The CEO of a corporation or company typically reports to the board of directors and is charged with maximizing the value of the entity,[2] which may include maximizing the share price, market share, revenues, or another element. In the non-profit and government sector, CEOs typically aim at achieving outcomes related to the organization's mission, such as reducing poverty, increasing literacy, etc. Titles also often given to the holder of CEO position include president and chief executive (CE).[3]

Responsibilities

The responsibilities of an organization's CEO are set by the organization's board of directors or other authority, depending on the organization's legal structure. They can be far-reaching or quite limited and are typically enshrined in a formal delegation of authority. Typically, responsibilities include decision maker on strategy and other key policy issues, leader, manager, and executor. The communicator role can involve speaking to the press and the rest of the outside world, as well as to the organization's management and employees; the decision-making role involves high-level decisions about policy and strategy. As a leader of the company, the CEO/MD advises the board of directors, motivates employees, and drives change within the organization. As a manager, the CEO/MD presides over the organization's day-to-day operations.[4][5][6] The term refers to the person who makes all the key decisions regarding the company, which includes all sectors and fields of the business, including operations, marketing, business development, finance, human resources, etc. The CEO of a company is not necessarily the owner of the company.

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[Edited 12/28/16 6:13am]

Well given the fact that you insisted that a shareholder is higher than a CEO you clearly don't know much about business lol and I showed the photo to prove the point that TIDAL is not a Black owned business that is operated by Black workers despite the LIE Jay Z promoted, that was the point. Its hilarious you keep going through loop holes just to defend Jay Z. Point BLANK period, Jay Z does not own TIDAL and TIDAL is not a Black owned business. This is not rocket science.

Reply #523 posted 01/01/17 12:33pm

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

WHY do you keep saying TIDAL is majority Black owned when it is not?????? I have already given you receipts that show it is not BUT you keep saying that it is??? lol I even posted a picture that shows that none of the workers at TIDAL are Black, not one Black person in that photo! Shareholder is NOT the same as CEO and a CEO is the highest rank and position in a company. Your dedication to TIDAL and Jay Z is mind blowing at this point. lol

[Edited 12/27/16 18:28pm]

I really want you to read this below and think about it.

I have no dedication to Jay-Z or Tidal. I simply look at the facts which have been discussed in the above conversations if you would take the time to read something instead of going off of emotion you would see the big picture.

You do not like Jay-Z we get it so what. It has nothing to do with anything at all and if you took the time to read anything you would now that Jay-Z and other artist have an equity stake in Tidal we have no idea how much they have because it is a private company but it is possible that combined the group as a whole may have a majority share. He raised and spent 54 million to buy into the company I doubt he raised that money so he could be or remain a minority shareholder.

If you took two minutes to think you might wonder why so much hatred has been going on since Jay-Z and other artist brought into this business. Did you ever think the music industry might not like the idea of artist actually owning a stake in a streaming service considering the amount of profit streaming services and record labels are making and not including the artist in on?

Did you ever think that if artist own the streaming service they could eventually just put their music on the service without a record label at all?

Do you not realize that this is exactly what Prince was talking about 20 years ago?

Why do you think there is negativity against this company and this business model?

No one gives a rat’s ass about Jay-Z past as a drug dealer or that he was a rap artist there are people in the music industry who simply do not want artist to own a streaming services.

You do have dedication to Jay Z and TIDAL. For crying out loud you just argued that a shareholder was higher than a CEO just to big up Jay Z! eek It is clear that you have some bias towards them and feel the need to defend them even when your argument does not factually or rationally make sense. My dislike for Jay Z has nothing to do with my feelings about this matter. However, the shady and unethical things that Jay Z and TIDAL have done does support the reasons why I dislike him. However, Jay Z has showed his own ass and does not need any help from me in pointing his flaws out on this matter.

I already pointed out to you why the general public is not feeling TIDAL. The whole marketing roll out of TIDAL was wrong form the get go. There marketing strategy was to use their "star power" to get people to purchase the streaming service. "Come support us because I am Jay Z, Kanye, Beyonce and because it will give us more money" there was no catching points that was geared toward how it would benefit the consumer. Consumers have a right to question any product and how it is being marketed to them. The way TIDAL was marketed was obnoxious and geared toward shareholders as the center which was wrong, CONSUMERS should always be the focal point any time a product is being marketed, that is the whole point! In business you want consumers to buy your product!

Reply #524 posted 01/01/17 2:09pm

wavesofbliss

mjscarousal said:

You do have dedication to Jay Z and TIDAL. For crying out loud you just argued that a shareholder was higher than a CEO just to big up Jay Z! eek It is clear that you have some bias towards them and feel the need to defend them even when your argument does not factually or rationally make sense. My dislike for Jay Z has nothing to do with my feelings about this matter. However, the shady and unethical things that Jay Z and TIDAL have done does support the reasons why I dislike him. However, Jay Z has showed his own ass and does not need any help from me in pointing his flaws out on this matter.

I already pointed out to you why the general public is not feeling TIDAL. The whole marketing roll out of TIDAL was wrong form the get go. There marketing strategy was to use their "star power" to get people to purchase the streaming service. "Come support us because I am Jay Z, Kanye, Beyonce and because it will give us more money" there was no catching points that was geared toward how it would benefit the consumer. Consumers have a right to question any product and how it is being marketed to them. The way TIDAL was marketed was obnoxious and geared toward shareholders as the center which was wrong, CONSUMERS should always be the focal point any time a product is being marketed, that is the whole point! In business you want consumers to buy your product!

i completely agree. it is entirely possible that prince was sold a bill of goods regarding his deal with TIDAL and that TIDAL make some quick grab after his death. it wouldn't b the first time prince made a questionable business decision and it wouldn't b the first time that jz didn't some shady business. i still can't shake the feeling that they hadto have something in place or prince wouldn't have been dealing with them before his death. it could have just gone bad for prince. didn't he pull out of a concert tIDAL was sponsoring or whatever. but then again prince was known for doing things like that,too

Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND
Reply #525 posted 01/01/17 2:25pm

mjscarousal

wavesofbliss said:

mjscarousal said:

You do have dedication to Jay Z and TIDAL. For crying out loud you just argued that a shareholder was higher than a CEO just to big up Jay Z! eek It is clear that you have some bias towards them and feel the need to defend them even when your argument does not factually or rationally make sense. My dislike for Jay Z has nothing to do with my feelings about this matter. However, the shady and unethical things that Jay Z and TIDAL have done does support the reasons why I dislike him. However, Jay Z has showed his own ass and does not need any help from me in pointing his flaws out on this matter.

I already pointed out to you why the general public is not feeling TIDAL. The whole marketing roll out of TIDAL was wrong form the get go. There marketing strategy was to use their "star power" to get people to purchase the streaming service. "Come support us because I am Jay Z, Kanye, Beyonce and because it will give us more money" there was no catching points that was geared toward how it would benefit the consumer. Consumers have a right to question any product and how it is being marketed to them. The way TIDAL was marketed was obnoxious and geared toward shareholders as the center which was wrong, CONSUMERS should always be the focal point any time a product is being marketed, that is the whole point! In business you want consumers to buy your product!

i completely agree. it is entirely possible that prince was sold a bill of goods regarding his deal with TIDAL and that TIDAL make some quick grab after his death. it wouldn't b the first time prince made a questionable business decision and it wouldn't b the first time that jz didn't some shady business. i still can't shake the feeling that they hadto have something in place or prince wouldn't have been dealing with them before his death. it could have just gone bad for prince. didn't he pull out of a concert tIDAL was sponsoring or whatever. but then again prince was known for doing things like that,too

nod Prince made a poor business move by collaborating with JayZ/TIDAL and got taken advantage of, it happens. There is no reason for some here to defend Jay Z and to come up with excuses for him or TIDAL when its evident that they are shady.

Reply #526 posted 01/01/17 4:01pm

oliviacamron

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

 



DD55 said:


 



nelcp777 said:


 


I agree with you about the injunction and material still being on the site. This is a mess. From trying to do a brief research on Tidal, it has had it share of litigation in recent years and the company is fairly new.



This is my personal opinion, I don’t have any actual knowledge of the situation and I’m simply speculating like many others do on the org.




.


As I see it, this discussion is simple; the issue is whether or not Tidal had the legal/contractual rights to post P’s entire catalog on Tidal in June.  What’s to discuss?  This will all come out in court; all this speculating, liking/not liking someone and character slurs won’t change the ‘legal’ decisions at the end of the day. 


 


.


So the possibilities (that we know of):


1) There is a contractual agreement whereby Tidal will be cleared of wrongdoing.  End of case.


2)  No legal/contractual  agreement prior to posting the files, in that Tidal did not have the specific ‘rights’ to post P’s entire catalog on Tidal -- but went ahead and did so anyway.


 


.


Jayz isn’t a stupid man, and I’m sure Tidal has the legal recourses to advise him of the consequences of posting albums and songs without written / specific permission.


.


///So, here is where my view is different.  What if Tidal did not have the rights to post? They weighted the all consequences, potential fines, and ramifications (with their legal staff) and still posted the files anyway?


.


Maybe Jayz/Tidal are courageous and should be admired.  In honoring, Prince, they made sure the world had access to the entire catalog regardless of the potential personal consequences. 


.


Much of P’s music had never been heard before because people simply didn’t have access to it and many were unaware.  Tidal changed all that! Now fans are (re)discovering many long out of print albums that simply have never seen the light of day outside a select fan base.  


.


Contract or not, Jayz may have done more for P’s legacy than anyone else by ‘freeing’ ALL of his music for everyone to enjoy.


.


As for getting paid …. I really don’t care to be a watch dog of the ‘estate’, these people (siblings) will be getting millions of dollars for doing nothing, so if they get a tiny bet less money, who cares?


.


Don't want to upset anyone, thisi is just my opinion.


 


 


[Edited 12/28/16 19:06pm]



"As I see it, this discussion is simple; the issue is whether or not Tidal had the legal/contractual rights to post P’s entire catalog on Tidal in June. What’s to discuss? This will all come out in court; all this speculating, liking/not liking someone and character slurs won’t change the ‘legal’ decisions at the end of the day."


 Exactly, the court will sort it out and if money is owed it will be payed. I also don't see how anyone can beat an injuction so Tidal must have some documentation and that will have to be given to a Federal court. 


 


 


-/- The Gold Experience is back up on Tidal.

No sound coming from Dolphin
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #527 posted 01/01/17 9:08pm

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



mjscarousal said:


 


 


 


WHY do you keep saying TIDAL is majority Black owned when it is not????? I have already given you receipts that show it is not BUT you keep saying that it is??? lol I even posted a picture that shows that none of the workers at TIDAL are Black, not one Black person in that photo! Shareholder is NOT the same as CEO and a CEO is the highest rank and position in a company. Your dedication to TIDAL and Jay Z is mind blowing at this point. lol


[Edited 12/27/16 18:28pm]



Do you know anything about business? All you did was show a picture of a bunch of people that are supposed to be employees of Tidal. The picture of a bunch of people tells us nothing and is not a receipt ( you say proof ) about who the shareholders are. Even if these people in the picture are employees that does not mean that are shareholders in the company also known as owners.  The people in the picture could be shareholders if part of their compensation is stock but I have no way of knowing if this is the case. Do you know if he people in the picture are shareholders?  In a nutshell the employees could have nothing to do with the majority ownership of the company.


You are correct a shareholder is not the same as a CEO. A shareholder actually has ownership in the company and depending on how many shares they own they along with other shareholders can have much more power than a CEO.


 


Please see some definitions


Chief executive officer


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


  (Redirected from CEO)


"Chief Executive", "CEO", and "CEOs" redirect here. For other uses, see Chief executive (disambiguation) and CEO (disambiguation).


A chief executive officer (CEO)[1] describes the position of the most senior corporate officer, executive, leader or administrator in charge of managing an organization. CEOs lead a range of organizations, including public and private corporations, non-profit organizations and even some government organizations (e.g., Crown corporations). The CEO of a corporation or company typically reports to the board of directors and is charged with maximizing the value of the entity,[2] which may include maximizing the share price, market share, revenues, or another element. In the non-profit and government sector, CEOs typically aim at achieving outcomes related to the organization's mission, such as reducing poverty, increasing literacy, etc. Titles also often given to the holder of CEO position include president and chief executive (CE).[3]


Responsibilities


The responsibilities of an organization's CEO are set by the organization's board of directors or other authority, depending on the organization's legal structure. They can be far-reaching or quite limited and are typically enshrined in a formal delegation of authority. Typically, responsibilities include decision maker on strategy and other key policy issues, leader, manager, and executor. The communicator role can involve speaking to the press and the rest of the outside world, as well as to the organization's management and employees; the decision-making role involves high-level decisions about policy and strategy. As a leader of the company, the CEO/MD advises the board of directors, motivates employees, and drives change within the organization. As a manager, the CEO/MD presides over the organization's day-to-day operations.[4][5][6] The term refers to the person who makes all the key decisions regarding the company, which includes all sectors and fields of the business, including operations, marketing, business development, finance, human resources, etc. The CEO of a company is not necessarily the owner of the company.


 


 -----


 


 


 


 


[Edited 12/28/16 6:13am]



 


Well given the fact that you insisted that a shareholder is higher than a CEO you clearly don't know much about business lol  and I showed the photo to prove the point that TIDAL is not a Black owned business that is operated by Black workers despite the LIE Jay Z promoted, that was the point. Its hilarious you keep going through loop holes just to defend Jay Z. Point BLANK period, Jay Z does not own TIDAL and TIDAL is not a Black owned business. This is not rocket science. 


 


--You do know anything about business at all which is the reason you can't answer any questions that I put forth. Why is the music still up on Tidal (The Gold Experience is back ) how can Tidal beat a Federal court a
order? If Prince was fooled by Jay-z why was he still sending them content right up to the week before he died? Large shareholders can have more power that the CEO of companies. If you don't know this you do not know anything about business.
Reply #528 posted 01/01/17 9:15pm

mnfriend

Look, I'm just a non attached friend of purple, no sides,
I like what Laura adds here, I think she's level headed.
I found this, Prince 2015, Ebony, I copy/ paste below:

EBONY: I like this album better than Hit N Run: Phase One. No disrespect.
Prince: Hit N Run sounds like today. Tidal is sinking money into it, and they need it. And my heart is always on because I want them to do well. [Beyoncé and Jay Z] have taken a lot of abuse, their family has. A historic amount of abuse between the two of ’em. And when we win on this, none of us’ll gloat. He’s not the gloating type anyway. He’s slick with his. He says to brush the dirt off your shoulder. “Y’all just need to stop. Just calm down! Everybody calm down! There ya go.”
Reply #529 posted 01/01/17 9:53pm

mjscarousal

mnfriend said:

Look, I'm just a non attached friend of purple, no sides, I like what Laura adds here, I think she's level headed. I found this, Prince 2015, Ebony, I copy/ paste below: EBONY: I like this album better than Hit N Run: Phase One. No disrespect. Prince: Hit N Run sounds like today. Tidal is sinking money into it, and they need it. And my heart is always on because I want them to do well. [Beyoncé and Jay Z] have taken a lot of abuse, their family has. A historic amount of abuse between the two of ’em. And when we win on this, none of us’ll gloat. He’s not the gloating type anyway. He’s slick with his. He says to brush the dirt off your shoulder. “Y’all just need to stop. Just calm down! Everybody calm down! There ya go.”

Well Prince obviously was misinformed about Jay Z because Jay Zgloats about all his money, ventures, business deals in his songs. He even gloated about owning Prince music so this statement from Prince is showing poor judgement of character.

Reply #530 posted 01/02/17 4:10am

Lovejunky

mnfriend said:

Look, I'm just a non attached friend of purple, no sides, I like what Laura adds here, I think she's level headed. I found this, Prince 2015, Ebony, I copy/ paste below: EBONY: I like this album better than Hit N Run: Phase One. No disrespect. Prince: Hit N Run sounds like today. Tidal is sinking money into it, and they need it. And my heart is always on because I want them to do well. [Beyoncé and Jay Z] have taken a lot of abuse, their family has. A historic amount of abuse between the two of ’em. And when we win on this, none of us’ll gloat. He’s not the gloating type anyway. He’s slick with his. He says to brush the dirt off your shoulder. “Y’all just need to stop. Just calm down! Everybody calm down! There ya go.”

yes she is....

and patient too...

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #531 posted 01/02/17 1:08pm

mjscarousal

Laura is dope and I agree with her opinions on other issues. She is very passionate and I respect that she never backs down but she is being very biased on this topic. There are receipts that have been presented that shows that Jay Z and TIDAL are shady and have not been forthright in all their dealings with Prince.

Reply #532 posted 01/03/17 3:01pm

Mumio

Have y'all heard of Entertainment Lawyer? A gossip blogger. He does blind items and a few times a years will give answers to some of the blind items that have been posted on his website.

Since this thread is about JayZ, I thought it was timely to re-post this particular solved blind item here. I make no claims of my own...but this is interesting, yes?



http://crazydaysandnights.net/2017/01/blind-items-revealed-32-8.html

October 5, 2016

This A+ list singer lives large. How often do we see photos of her all over the world. Traveling in a private jet on seemingly a perfect vacation. She never wears the same clothes twice and her husband must make as much money as her too right? She is beyond wealthy. That is the image, but not the reality. Our A+ lister recently decided to invest in a company. She made a big deal about it. The problem for her is that it required an actual cash outlay and was not something that could be charged. She had the money, but it was a close call. How did it get like this? back in the day when she was first hitting it big, she had good management. They kept her expenses low and the income high. Times were really good. Then, her management changed. What was just her money now became the money of her and her manager for all of his ideas to rule the world. The problem is most of his ideas have not turned out so great. It probably wouldn’t be that big of a deal if he had not put their money into the deals and used more money from outside investors. High risk and high reward. He didn’t want to share. Meanwhile, our A+ lister started stepping up her spending game at the same time her record and tour sales started declining. What to do? Basically the couple run a tab and charge everything to the record company. They have sold off a lot of their future royalties because they didn’t have enough cash to cover the bill when the record company comes calling. They also have sold off the future royalties of some of the artists they control. They had to sell property to pay off some investors and to keep his latest business afloat. They went from owning a really expensive property to leasing something not all that great compared to it. They made a bs offer on a house to make it look like they were moving up, but they could never provide proof of funds which is why they lost out. They didn’t have enough money. Over the past six months, the monthly allowance our A+ lister has been forced to live on has been reduced. the clothes have been downgraded a couple of levels and the household expenses have been cut in half. The big investment he made he needs to get out of but can’t because the entire house of cards would come tumbling down and bankruptcy, both professionally and personally would have to occur. It would destroy their whole brand and image so they keep trying to make it work, but short of winning some type of lottery either of the real variety or some singer breaking out like Adele, it just isn’t going to happen.


Beyonce/Jay-Z

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #533 posted 01/03/17 4:36pm

laurarichardson

Mumio said:

Have y'all heard of Entertainment Lawyer? A gossip blogger. He does blind items and a few times a years will give answers to some of the blind items that have been posted on his website.

Since this thread is about JayZ, I thought it was timely to re-post this particular solved blind item here. I make no claims of my own...but this is interesting, yes?


 




http://crazydaysandnights.net/2017/01/blind-items-revealed-32-8.html

October 5, 2016

This A+ list singer lives large. How often do we see photos of her all over the world. Traveling in a private jet on seemingly a perfect vacation. She never wears the same clothes twice and her husband must make as much money as her too right? She is beyond wealthy. That is the image, but not the reality. Our A+ lister recently decided to invest in a company. She made a big deal about it. The problem for her is that it required an actual cash outlay and was not something that could be charged. She had the money, but it was a close call. How did it get like this? back in the day when she was first hitting it big, she had good management. They kept her expenses low and the income high. Times were really good. Then, her management changed. What was just her money now became the money of her and her manager for all of his ideas to rule the world. The problem is most of his ideas have not turned out so great. It probably wouldn’t be that big of a deal if he had not put their money into the deals and used more money from outside investors. High risk and high reward. He didn’t want to share. Meanwhile, our A+ lister started stepping up her spending game at the same time her record and tour sales started declining. What to do? Basically the couple run a tab and charge everything to the record company. They have sold off a lot of their future royalties because they didn’t have enough cash to cover the bill when the record company comes calling. They also have sold off the future royalties of some of the artists they control. They had to sell property to pay off some investors and to keep his latest business afloat. They went from owning a really expensive property to leasing something not all that great compared to it. They made a bs offer on a house to make it look like they were moving up, but they could never provide proof of funds which is why they lost out. They didn’t have enough money. Over the past six months, the monthly allowance our A+ lister has been forced to live on has been reduced. the clothes have been downgraded a couple of levels and the household expenses have been cut in half. The big investment he made he needs to get out of but can’t because the entire house of cards would come tumbling down and bankruptcy, both professionally and personally would have to occur. It would destroy their whole brand and image so they keep trying to make it work, but short of winning some type of lottery either of the real variety or some singer breaking out like Adele, it just isn’t going to happen.


 
Beyonce/Jay-Z


I thought her last two tours did well and I am not how they control their artist royalties unless some fools just turned their royalties over to them.
Reply #534 posted 01/03/17 8:41pm

oliviacamron

Mumio said:

Have y'all heard of Entertainment Lawyer? A gossip blogger. He does blind items and a few times a years will give answers to some of the blind items that have been posted on his website.

Since this thread is about JayZ, I thought it was timely to re-post this particular solved blind item here. I make no claims of my own...but this is interesting, yes?


 




http://crazydaysandnights.net/2017/01/blind-items-revealed-32-8.html

October 5, 2016

This A+ list singer lives large. How often do we see photos of her all over the world. Traveling in a private jet on seemingly a perfect vacation. She never wears the same clothes twice and her husband must make as much money as her too right? She is beyond wealthy. That is the image, but not the reality. Our A+ lister recently decided to invest in a company. She made a big deal about it. The problem for her is that it required an actual cash outlay and was not something that could be charged. She had the money, but it was a close call. How did it get like this? back in the day when she was first hitting it big, she had good management. They kept her expenses low and the income high. Times were really good. Then, her management changed. What was just her money now became the money of her and her manager for all of his ideas to rule the world. The problem is most of his ideas have not turned out so great. It probably wouldn’t be that big of a deal if he had not put their money into the deals and used more money from outside investors. High risk and high reward. He didn’t want to share. Meanwhile, our A+ lister started stepping up her spending game at the same time her record and tour sales started declining. What to do? Basically the couple run a tab and charge everything to the record company. They have sold off a lot of their future royalties because they didn’t have enough cash to cover the bill when the record company comes calling. They also have sold off the future royalties of some of the artists they control. They had to sell property to pay off some investors and to keep his latest business afloat. They went from owning a really expensive property to leasing something not all that great compared to it. They made a bs offer on a house to make it look like they were moving up, but they could never provide proof of funds which is why they lost out. They didn’t have enough money. Over the past six months, the monthly allowance our A+ lister has been forced to live on has been reduced. the clothes have been downgraded a couple of levels and the household expenses have been cut in half. The big investment he made he needs to get out of but can’t because the entire house of cards would come tumbling down and bankruptcy, both professionally and personally would have to occur. It would destroy their whole brand and image so they keep trying to make it work, but short of winning some type of lottery either of the real variety or some singer breaking out like Adele, it just isn’t going to happen.


 
Beyonce/Jay-Z

thanks for your post. I think it's accurate.They try to sell it though, but I guess they tried to make it work since Apple wouldn't bail them out.
[Edited 1/3/17 20:43pm]
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
Reply #535 posted 01/04/17 4:06am

RicoN

How long has Crystal Ball been gone from tidal? It's on the verge of being a bit shit.

Yes, I've probably made a spelling mistake, but I can't be arsed to go back and correc tit.
Reply #536 posted 01/04/17 10:39am

laurarichardson

RicoN said:

How long has Crystal Ball been gone from tidal?  It's on the verge of being a bit shit.


 


-- Things pop up and go away and then come back. If you see something buy it in the store. Gold is back up.
Reply #537 posted 01/05/17 10:34am

mjscarousal

Mumio said:

Have y'all heard of Entertainment Lawyer? A gossip blogger. He does blind items and a few times a years will give answers to some of the blind items that have been posted on his website.

Since this thread is about JayZ, I thought it was timely to re-post this particular solved blind item here. I make no claims of my own...but this is interesting, yes?



http://crazydaysandnights.net/2017/01/blind-items-revealed-32-8.html

October 5, 2016

This A+ list singer lives large. How often do we see photos of her all over the world. Traveling in a private jet on seemingly a perfect vacation. She never wears the same clothes twice and her husband must make as much money as her too right? She is beyond wealthy. That is the image, but not the reality. Our A+ lister recently decided to invest in a company. She made a big deal about it. The problem for her is that it required an actual cash outlay and was not something that could be charged. She had the money, but it was a close call. How did it get like this? back in the day when she was first hitting it big, she had good management. They kept her expenses low and the income high. Times were really good. Then, her management changed. What was just her money now became the money of her and her manager for all of his ideas to rule the world. The problem is most of his ideas have not turned out so great. It probably wouldn’t be that big of a deal if he had not put their money into the deals and used more money from outside investors. High risk and high reward. He didn’t want to share. Meanwhile, our A+ lister started stepping up her spending game at the same time her record and tour sales started declining. What to do? Basically the couple run a tab and charge everything to the record company. They have sold off a lot of their future royalties because they didn’t have enough cash to cover the bill when the record company comes calling. They also have sold off the future royalties of some of the artists they control. They had to sell property to pay off some investors and to keep his latest business afloat. They went from owning a really expensive property to leasing something not all that great compared to it. They made a bs offer on a house to make it look like they were moving up, but they could never provide proof of funds which is why they lost out. They didn’t have enough money. Over the past six months, the monthly allowance our A+ lister has been forced to live on has been reduced. the clothes have been downgraded a couple of levels and the household expenses have been cut in half. The big investment he made he needs to get out of but can’t because the entire house of cards would come tumbling down and bankruptcy, both professionally and personally would have to occur. It would destroy their whole brand and image so they keep trying to make it work, but short of winning some type of lottery either of the real variety or some singer breaking out like Adele, it just isn’t going to happen.


Beyonce/Jay-Z

I think there might be some truth to this. Beyonce and Jay Z have been touring non stop for over the last 3 years back to back and I have found this strange. There not struggling and they don't have any debts as far as we know so why are they doing all this touring back to back?? I think there is some truth to the blind item and they owe a lot of people money. Tea was already spilled that artists that do Super Bowl half times have to now pay up front OR give half of their tour gross back to NFL.

[Edited 1/5/17 10:38am]

Reply #538 posted 01/05/17 12:26pm

1Sasha

Supposedly, Beyonce gets $5.5 million per show. There are times when that amount does change. I remember Prince stating in a complaint about a venue during the show that he was getting $3 million for that show and he was going to perform despite the sound issues. All I can think is that her money was joined with her DH's money and much of it walked out the door ...

[Edited 1/5/17 12:27pm]

Reply #539 posted 01/05/17 12:37pm

babynoz

Mumio said:

Have y'all heard of Entertainment Lawyer? A gossip blogger. He does blind items and a few times a years will give answers to some of the blind items that have been posted on his website.

Since this thread is about JayZ, I thought it was timely to re-post this particular solved blind item here. I make no claims of my own...but this is interesting, yes?



http://crazydaysandnights.net/2017/01/blind-items-revealed-32-8.html

October 5, 2016

This A+ list singer lives large. How often do we see photos of her all over the world. Traveling in a private jet on seemingly a perfect vacation. She never wears the same clothes twice and her husband must make as much money as her too right? She is beyond wealthy. That is the image, but not the reality. Our A+ lister recently decided to invest in a company. She made a big deal about it. The problem for her is that it required an actual cash outlay and was not something that could be charged. She had the money, but it was a close call. How did it get like this? back in the day when she was first hitting it big, she had good management. They kept her expenses low and the income high. Times were really good. Then, her management changed. What was just her money now became the money of her and her manager for all of his ideas to rule the world. The problem is most of his ideas have not turned out so great. It probably wouldn’t be that big of a deal if he had not put their money into the deals and used more money from outside investors. High risk and high reward. He didn’t want to share. Meanwhile, our A+ lister started stepping up her spending game at the same time her record and tour sales started declining. What to do? Basically the couple run a tab and charge everything to the record company. They have sold off a lot of their future royalties because they didn’t have enough cash to cover the bill when the record company comes calling. They also have sold off the future royalties of some of the artists they control. They had to sell property to pay off some investors and to keep his latest business afloat. They went from owning a really expensive property to leasing something not all that great compared to it. They made a bs offer on a house to make it look like they were moving up, but they could never provide proof of funds which is why they lost out. They didn’t have enough money. Over the past six months, the monthly allowance our A+ lister has been forced to live on has been reduced. the clothes have been downgraded a couple of levels and the household expenses have been cut in half. The big investment he made he needs to get out of but can’t because the entire house of cards would come tumbling down and bankruptcy, both professionally and personally would have to occur. It would destroy their whole brand and image so they keep trying to make it work, but short of winning some type of lottery either of the real variety or some singer breaking out like Adele, it just isn’t going to happen.


Beyonce/Jay-Z



Thanks sis.....this connects some dots for me.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #540 posted 01/05/17 3:26pm

mjscarousal

1Sasha said:

Supposedly, Beyonce gets $5.5 million per show. There are times when that amount does change. I remember Prince stating in a complaint about a venue during the show that he was getting $3 million for that show and he was going to perform despite the sound issues. All I can think is that her money was joined with her DH's money and much of it walked out the door ...

[Edited 1/5/17 12:27pm]

?

Also, I think its pretty safe to say she walks away with less than that after the NFL, label, investers, dancers, engineers, etc get their money. I also don't believe she earns that every show, all those Formation dates were not sold out.

Reply #541 posted 01/10/17 8:47am

laurarichardson

mjscarousal said:

1Sasha said:

Supposedly, Beyonce gets $5.5 million per show. There are times when that amount does change. I remember Prince stating in a complaint about a venue during the show that he was getting $3 million for that show and he was going to perform despite the sound issues. All I can think is that her money was joined with her DH's money and much of it walked out the door ...

[Edited 1/5/17 12:27pm]

?

Also, I think its pretty safe to say she walks away with less than that after the NFL, label, investers, dancers, engineers, etc get their money. I also don't believe she earns that every show, all those Formation dates were not sold out.

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See the article below. Roc Nation has some documentation and in the court papers they want their docs kept under seal.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/roc-nation-tidal-challenge-authority-administrator-princes-estate-963073

Reply #542 posted 01/10/17 9:20am

laurarichardson

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

?

Also, I think its pretty safe to say she walks away with less than that after the NFL, label, investers, dancers, engineers, etc get their money. I also don't believe she earns that every show, all those Formation dates were not sold out.

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See the article below. Roc Nation has some documentation and in the court papers they want their docs kept under seal.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/roc-nation-tidal-challenge-authority-administrator-princes-estate-963073

Oh and Jay-Z has a 50% stake in the business.

Reply #543 posted 01/10/17 9:30am

nelcp777

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

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See the article below. Roc Nation has some documentation and in the court papers they want their docs kept under seal.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/roc-nation-tidal-challenge-authority-administrator-princes-estate-963073

Oh and Jay-Z has a 50% stake in the business.

I find it interesting that ROC Nation states:

Aspiro also believes that claims may be barred because Bremer "lacks the requisite authority to authorize the instant lawsuit" and because "Plaintiffs are not the real parties in interest with respect to the claims asserted."

I kind of get the impression that ROC Nation is saying that until the heirs are determined, they can do what they have been. Just my take away from it.

I also found it interesting that they make claims NPG does not have valid copyright registrations.

Their arguements seem more of looking at loopholes than contractual.

This will not be over any time soon. Either side will appeal and drag this out. My 2 cents.

Reply #544 posted 01/10/17 10:30am

laurarichardson

nelcp777 said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


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See the article below. Roc Nation has some documentation and in the court papers they want their docs kept under seal.


 


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/roc-nation-tidal-challenge-authority-administrator-princes-estate-963073


Oh and Jay-Z has a 50% stake in the business.


 



 



I find it interesting that ROC Nation states:


 


Aspiro also believes that claims may be barred because Bremer "lacks the requisite authority to authorize the instant lawsuit" and because "Plaintiffs are not the real parties in interest with respect to the claims asserted."


 


I kind of get the impression that ROC Nation is saying that until the heirs are determined, they can do what they have been. Just my take away from it. 


 


I also found it interesting that they make claims NPG does not have valid copyright registrations. 


 


Their arguements seem more of looking at loopholes than contractual.


 


This will not be over any time soon. Either side will appeal and drag this out. My 2 cents. 


 


 


Yes, this going to drag since Breamer is not going to be the admin anymore and of course NPG copyrights. RocNations knows this or they would be streaming anything.
Reply #545 posted 01/13/17 3:14pm

XSX

nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

I find it interesting that ROC Nation states:

Aspiro also believes that claims may be barred because Bremer "lacks the requisite authority to authorize the instant lawsuit" and because "Plaintiffs are not the real parties in interest with respect to the claims asserted."

I kind of get the impression that ROC Nation is saying that until the heirs are determined, they can do what they have been. Just my take away from it.

I also found it interesting that they make claims NPG does not have valid copyright registrations.

Their arguements seem more of looking at loopholes than contractual.

This will not be over any time soon. Either side will appeal and drag this out. My 2 cents.

I think things look just the way they did when Prince was alive and certainly back Jay Z's rapped claim that Prince's assets are in safe hands.
No matter what publicity and manipulation Bremer do on assumption that they 'look' like the Warner-based Prince the general public remembers, RocNation knows it has nothing to defend, but merely to re-assert (that's what it's asking for, essentially).
That's also why they'll not be taking down anything and (despite occasional reports they have, which must be due to their poorly constructed website not rendering assets in browsers) have not, to date.

Bremer are waging a PR ruse which won't wash with the people who are looking for the albums that Tidal have. And, frankly, I doubt that Bremer were anything other than belatedly surprised to learn that the albums WERE on Tidal. They certainly look exactly like what they're trying to look like...a Warner-acolyte of executive suits with taste fit for nothing but figures, mainly fat ones.
Prince loathed them and sought to cut them out. Here they are trying to cut themselves back in. With not a titter of wits about them. The very date of filing of their claim is the proof of the bad joke that they are. "Late again?"

F 'em and all victory and new power gneration to Jay Z on this.

In any court-room he only has to rely on Prince's own words.

He chose tidal because he thought they were winners.


In terms of this Bremer (lack of) case, they definitely are but there's nothing to win.
They already have what they were given. By Prince.

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“I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions.”
-Robert Anton Wilson
Reply #546 posted 01/13/17 7:10pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

laurarichardson said

Yes, this going to drag since Breamer is not going to be the admin anymore and of course NPG copyrights. RocNations knows this or they would be streaming anything.

It usually takes 18 months to 2 years for a case to actually go to trial.

No lie.

pimp pimp2

URL: http://new.prince.org/msg/7/435230/Roc-Nation-Tidal-File-Court-Papers-Claiming-Exclusive-Streaming-Rights-to-Prince-s-Catalog

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