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Reply #60 posted 11/16/16 1:37pm

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clairew1975 said:

paisleypark4 said:

Yes I want to see proof of this otherwise it's just "click bait" from media trying to get views. I've found nothing so far....

Thats what I'm seeing like...um..where is the proof...documents...papers...

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Reply #61 posted 11/16/16 1:41pm

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Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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Reply #62 posted 11/16/16 2:18pm

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Ingela said:

laurarichardson said:


/// Prince moved away from Universsl as soon as the deal expired. He then became he is on administer why would he do that if he faith in Universal. Unless you know his family you need to get out of here with the goldigging comments. He took care of them and some of them worked for him. If he hated them he could have written a will and left them nothing. Instead they stand to inherit millions. Plenty of ways to get away from your family if you want but they all in close proximity to him so maybe you don't know what you are talking about. Anyway I am sure Universal will get the boot when the contract ends and the family is in charge.


You know asuch as I and anyone else knows so I wouldn't crow. And likewise if he wanted his family to contol his work he would have made a will expressing exactly that. So again I have no idea what you're crowing about.

// You are the one who called the family goldiggers. Unless you know them you need to put a sock in it. They are heirs he could have made is so that did not happen he did not and you don't spend money on people you don't care about.
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Reply #63 posted 11/16/16 3:36pm

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Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #64 posted 11/16/16 4:17pm

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djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.

That's where I am at with this. Not only that they have the proper NPG artwork and music in high resolution. Thats more than anyone else ever had including on Npgmc years ago. Those songs were given to us in 128kb bit rate. NPG had to have GIVEN the rights for streaming.

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Reply #65 posted 11/16/16 4:29pm

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My head is spinning!! This is all too crazy for me! I'm out!

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Reply #66 posted 11/16/16 4:45pm

Ingela

djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.



You are in for some disappointment. All that crap is dead and gone forever. Yes there will be some fetish collectors editions for the few remaining old people who haven't died yet. But it's just a waiting game till you're dead and no one will make those crazy shinny disks.

I know old people who are scared of smartphones. I could never imagine a world without Google and Tinder and streaming all the music I could ever whenever the fuck I wanted to.

But yeah, everyone is just waiting for you to die so they never have to make physical media again. Truth.
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Reply #67 posted 11/16/16 4:52pm

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Ingela said:

djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.

You are in for some disappointment. All that crap is dead and gone forever. Yes there will be some fetish collectors editions for the few remaining old people who haven't died yet. But it's just a waiting game till you're dead and no one will make those crazy shinny disks. I know old people who are scared of smartphones. I could never imagine a world without Google and Tinder and streaming all the music I could ever whenever the fuck I wanted to. But yeah, everyone is just waiting for you to die so they never have to make physical media again. Truth.


Not truth. Physical copies will be around a decade from now.

And, unless you've forgotten, don't talk to me, I won't talk to you.

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #68 posted 11/16/16 4:59pm

Ingela

Yeah sure. I know old people who pay $112 dollars a month for their ground line telephones. Sure there will be be physical media but it's just a waiting game until the last grandma dies and stops paying her phone bill. There's still black Smith's fitting horses their shoes. Its just niche products you have to go into the back woods and fetish sites to find.
Good luck.
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Reply #69 posted 11/16/16 5:23pm

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Ingela said:

Yeah sure. I know old people who pay $112 dollars a month for their ground line telephones. Sure there will be be physical media but it's just a waiting game until the last grandma dies and stops paying her phone bill. There's still black Smith's fitting horses their shoes. Its just niche products you have to go into the back woods and fetish sites to find. Good luck.

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Like Prince said: "Albums matter" and "Vinyl" is where it's at.

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The clock ticks the same for everyone.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #70 posted 11/16/16 5:28pm

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djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.



Agreed. It's clear to me Prince delivered the material as well.

The Estate, it appears, is also stating something about the Tidal deal only lasting the duration of 90 days, but Prince was obviously happily working with Tidal way longer than that and was still delivering Tidal exclusive material right up until the week of his passing. On that last Monday we received Black Sweat live from Atlanta as the Purple Pick. It stands as the last officially released song in Prince's lifetime.
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Reply #71 posted 11/16/16 5:29pm

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Ingela said:

Well im never going to subscribe to Tidal, so I hope Universal quickly clears this up and we start seeing his work on Spotify, Amazon, Apple music as well as new releases. Im so glad it went to a professional entity like Universal. Would have loved if it went back to Warner's, but universal is a good home. They have the expertise and the capital to do his work the justice it deserves. [Edited 11/16/16 8:30am]

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Why WB? Prince fought so hard to gain his catalog back from WB, so that would just defy what Prince wanted.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #72 posted 11/16/16 5:59pm

Ingela

cloveringold85 said:



Ingela said:


Yeah sure. I know old people who pay $112 dollars a month for their ground line telephones. Sure there will be be physical media but it's just a waiting game until the last grandma dies and stops paying her phone bill. There's still black Smith's fitting horses their shoes. Its just niche products you have to go into the back woods and fetish sites to find. Good luck.

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Like Prince said: "Albums matter" and "Vinyl" is where it's at.


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The clock ticks the same for everyone.





I love my old vinyl records it's just more difficult to play them at the gym, or while jogging, or on a plane or on my car. And I can listen to vast amounts of new music on a whim without going to a record shop.
I get it. I like taking a ride in a horse and carriage, but it's easier to call for an Uber sometimes.
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Reply #73 posted 11/16/16 6:15pm

Ingela

cloveringold85 said:



Ingela said:


Well im never going to subscribe to Tidal, so I hope Universal quickly clears this up and we start seeing his work on Spotify, Amazon, Apple music as well as new releases. Im so glad it went to a professional entity like Universal. Would have loved if it went back to Warner's, but universal is a good home. They have the expertise and the capital to do his work the justice it deserves. [Edited 11/16/16 8:30am]

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Why WB? Prince fought so hard to gain his catalog back from WB, so that would just defy what Prince wanted.





I thought they mended fences before he passed and they were working on a PR re-issue or something. Anyway, I love Prince, but he's dead now and WB never did anything to me, and did such a wonderful job with his records. Great album covers too.
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Reply #74 posted 11/16/16 6:22pm

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Ingela said:

djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.

You are in for some disappointment. All that crap is dead and gone forever. Yes there will be some fetish collectors editions for the few remaining old people who haven't died yet. But it's just a waiting game till you're dead and no one will make those crazy shinny disks. I know old people who are scared of smartphones. I could never imagine a world without Google and Tinder and streaming all the music I could ever whenever the fuck I wanted to. But yeah, everyone is just waiting for you to die so they never have to make physical media again. Truth.

Well you are really the ass of the year. Congrats.

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Reply #75 posted 11/16/16 6:28pm

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paisleypark4 said:

djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.

That's where I am at with this. Not only that they have the proper NPG artwork and music in high resolution. Thats more than anyone else ever had including on Npgmc years ago. Those songs were given to us in 128kb bit rate. NPG had to have GIVEN the rights for streaming.

You are correct. Some of the things the estate are stating sound insane. There is an agreement somewhere my guess is some is in writing and some of it may be oral. What I do notice is that the lawsuit has a court order for all of the music to come off and after a day it is all still up. I also wonder why the estate did not go to court back in June if they believed copyright infringement was occuring.

I also wish Tidal would advertise the digital store. You can buy all of the Prince music from their store without buying a subscription. I would sugget everyone do this before the music is taken off. It may take a while before the music appears on other sites and the estate will put of a greatest hits before they put up the rarities we like.

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Reply #76 posted 11/16/16 6:30pm

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mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said: Wow forget what he wanted. You know it was Universal that caused the baby lawsuit. You know they stand to make money by trying to put the music in a butt cream commercials. Anyway it is not up to the fans it is up to his family in the end.

Why are you still defending Tidal, even when it was revealed they still owe Prince money???

You need to read the court docs. Do you really think Prince handed over files without getting money up front? He was alive and well while files were going up on the site. How could the deal have only been for one CD?

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Reply #77 posted 11/16/16 6:59pm

Ingela

laurarichardson said:



Ingela said:


djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.



You are in for some disappointment. All that crap is dead and gone forever. Yes there will be some fetish collectors editions for the few remaining old people who haven't died yet. But it's just a waiting game till you're dead and no one will make those crazy shinny disks. I know old people who are scared of smartphones. I could never imagine a world without Google and Tinder and streaming all the music I could ever whenever the fuck I wanted to. But yeah, everyone is just waiting for you to die so they never have to make physical media again. Truth.

Well you are really the ass of the year. Congrats.


Oh please that's always you. Amd I didn't mean him or anyone personally, but old people in general. Imagine, in a few more years we wouldn't have to worry about Trump-like backwards old dude getting elected. Some things are generational and time cleanses away outdated beliefs and ideas. That's the beauty of nature.
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Reply #78 posted 11/16/16 7:45pm

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ROC_NATION_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is also reporting on this story.

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Reply #79 posted 11/16/16 7:51pm

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Ingela said:

laurarichardson said:



Ingela said:


djThunderfunk said:

Not to defend Tidal cuz I don't rent music and therefor don't use streaming services, but...

If the albums Tidal added on Prince's birthday were done without his permission then where did they get their copies? Not only were the NPGMC digital albums available in lossless for the first time ever, one of them was even a different tracklist from the NPGMC release.

It's highly likely Prince did provide Tidal with the music but we can only speculate on what agreement he had with them for releasing it. Regardless, it's obvious that they had SOME agreement with Prince to eventually make it available.

That said: Tidal sucks. Streaming services suck. If the estate wants my $$ they will offer CDs & LPs (+ DVDs or Blu). I did buy downloads from Tidal of Prince music not released on physical format but I would never pay for any streaming service.



You are in for some disappointment. All that crap is dead and gone forever. Yes there will be some fetish collectors editions for the few remaining old people who haven't died yet. But it's just a waiting game till you're dead and no one will make those crazy shinny disks. I know old people who are scared of smartphones. I could never imagine a world without Google and Tinder and streaming all the music I could ever whenever the fuck I wanted to. But yeah, everyone is just waiting for you to die so they never have to make physical media again. Truth.

Well you are really the ass of the year. Congrats.


Oh please that's always you. Amd I didn't mean him or anyone personally, but old people in general. Imagine, in a few more years we wouldn't have to worry about Trump-like backwards old dude getting elected. Some things are generational and time cleanses away outdated beliefs and ideas. That's the beauty of nature.
Nothing personal.

// Trump's dumb ass would not be in office if young assholes had gone out and voted. The young are the problem.
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Reply #80 posted 11/16/16 8:02pm

Ingela

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:


Oh please that's always you. Amd I didn't mean him or anyone personally, but old people in general. Imagine, in a few more years we wouldn't have to worry about Trump-like backwards old dude getting elected. Some things are generational and time cleanses away outdated beliefs and ideas. That's the beauty of nature.
Nothing personal.

// Trump's dumb ass would not be in office if young assholes had gone out and voted. The young are the problem.


All the old senile people I know voted for the guy. Let's not blame anyone but the old senile people and white trash.
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Reply #81 posted 11/16/16 8:29pm

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Not trying to be harsh here but does it really matter what Prince would have wanted? He's gone. And we all know how notorious P was for changing his mind every 2 minutes. Who's to say there wouldn't have been a Universal or WB deal 6 months or 6 years down the line. We will never know sadly. Trust the family will strike the right balance between what P wanted, what the fans want and an income to sustain the Estate, though I sense there will have to be some compromise somewhere.
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Reply #82 posted 11/16/16 9:41pm

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Not trying to be harsh here but does it really matter what Prince would have wanted? He's gone. And we all know how notorious P was for changing his mind every 2 minutes. Who's to say there wouldn't have been a Universal or WB deal 6 months or 6 years down the line. We will never know sadly. Trust the family will strike the right balance between what P wanted, what the fans want and an income to sustain the Estate, though I sense there will have to be some compromise somewhere.

It does matter.....HOWEVER, IMO if an organization has shown that they can not be trusted and is stealing money from the said person, which TIDAL has done to Prince the I dont think the organization has the right to continue with business as usual and I honestly don't believe Prince signed a contracted for a extended period with Tidal. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just for this year. TIDAL is a sinking ship and they just want Princes music for profit and money purposes, they don't care about preserving Princes legacy.

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Reply #83 posted 11/17/16 2:49am

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Too bad..I like Tidal, I've been able to get and listen to all kinds of cool Prince music that is hard to find. I'd hate to see the music come between them. See what happends

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Reply #84 posted 11/17/16 3:08am

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IMO I think Prince obviously liked something about Tidal and Jay Z both.Honestly I don't think Tidal would be where it's at without the Prince material. Like all of us who have a choice I don't support Tidal and never will I'm not saying Jay isn't a fan but I feel like he just sees it as a business investment(greed).As long as the family is taken care of and his future releases are done properly that's all that matters.And he legacy should he respected.
[Edited 11/17/16 3:10am]
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Reply #85 posted 11/17/16 3:34am

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petalthecat said:

Not trying to be harsh here but does it really matter what Prince would have wanted? He's gone. And we all know how notorious P was for changing his mind every 2 minutes. Who's to say there wouldn't have been a Universal or WB deal 6 months or 6 years down the line. We will never know sadly. Trust the family will strike the right balance between what P wanted, what the fans want and an income to sustain the Estate, though I sense there will have to be some compromise somewhere.
. - Copyright and probate laws say different. Tidal is saying they have written and oral agreements. The written will stand the oral will not. The court is going to look at the docs and decide. I don't believe Prince sent files to Tidal without getting money upfront. Since both parties agree that there is a ninety day exclusive why not just put new material on for ninety days and then move it to other platforms. Not sure why the Estate is so hell bent on cutting Tidal out and when nothing is stopping the music from going on both a Tidal and other platforms at the same time. You also have to be careful when accusing people of copyright infringement.
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Reply #86 posted 11/17/16 4:41am

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It's amazing how some people think some = all ?

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Reply #87 posted 11/17/16 8:05am

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I wonder if Londell is representing the Prince estate in this case? I'm guessing it may have some repercussions considering he owns source magazine and has affiliations with other artists. I asked him on twitter but received no response.
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Reply #88 posted 11/17/16 11:01am

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Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Like Prince said: "Albums matter" and "Vinyl" is where it's at.

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The clock ticks the same for everyone.

I love my old vinyl records it's just more difficult to play them at the gym, or while jogging, or on a plane or on my car. And I can listen to vast amounts of new music on a whim without going to a record shop. I get it. I like taking a ride in a horse and carriage, but it's easier to call for an Uber sometimes.

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Yes, true. The world is very "mobile" today. No one wants to carry around CDs--everything is just a click away, nowadays. Prince's issue with streaming music had to do with artists who were not getting compensated for their work, which I have to agree with him on that. I still have my vinyl -- hard to part with, but I did get rid of a lot of my CDs--they take up a lot of space.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #89 posted 11/17/16 11:03am

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Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Why WB? Prince fought so hard to gain his catalog back from WB, so that would just defy what Prince wanted.

I thought they mended fences before he passed and they were working on a PR re-issue or something. Anyway, I love Prince, but he's dead now and WB never did anything to me, and did such a wonderful job with his records. Great album covers too.

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I'm not sure they mended fences. I just don't feel WB should have Prince's masters back; that's not what Prince would want, imo. Things are getting nasty now with Prince's estate, and I just want to see his music go into the right hands.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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