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Article: Purple Rain Actress On Why Ex PRINCE Made Her Pass For White & Her Connection To Berry Gordy

Check out the article published by "I Love Old School Music" entitled "Purple Rain Actress On Why Ex Prince Made Her Pass For White & Her Connection To Berry Gordy":

"Even though Prince did what he felt he had to do in order to get his music videos seen and heard by the masses back then, Jill says do NOT get it twisted, the brotha was about as pro-Black as they come in real life..."

Here is the article:

https://www.iloveoldschoo...rry-gordy/
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Reply #1 posted 10/06/18 3:43am

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And how did Price exactly made her pass for white? hmmm

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Reply #2 posted 10/06/18 7:44am

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PANDURITO said:

And how did Price exactly made her pass for white? hmmm



I think they mean the character she played in the movie.
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Reply #3 posted 10/06/18 3:27pm

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He changed Jill's look long before Purple Rain though. She had that "Marilyn Monroe" look on stage during the 1999 tour, and also in the LRC, 1999 and Automatic videos. I think Prince wanted her to stand out on stage with Lisa, and in the videos. Per the Biography I read she was quoted as saying that he thought she looked plain with the long dark hair. She said he "svengalied" her into that MM look.

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Here she is on the 1999 tour:

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Image result for jill jones 1999

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Reply #4 posted 10/06/18 3:29pm

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Actually, I would have never known back then that Jill was black or 1/2 black whether she had the blonde hair or darker hair, because her skin is so fair. I did not have any idea until I read some of the Biographies more recently. I thought she was white....

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Reply #5 posted 10/06/18 4:12pm

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violetcrush said:

Actually, I would have never known back then that Jill was black or 1/2 black whether she had the blonde hair or darker hair, because her skin is so fair. I did not have any idea until I read some of the Biographies more recently. I thought she was white....


Same. I thought she was white too when I first saw her in the 1999 video. Didn't know she was black until I read an interview from her a few years later.
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Reply #6 posted 10/06/18 5:29pm

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She looks white today. Lots of black folks can pass for white, but, in fairness, she didnt have to do much to pass for white.
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Reply #7 posted 10/06/18 7:35pm

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Prince didn't hate or hide his blackness and loved it for sure, but he also clearly saw himself in an ambiguious way too. How he dated tells a lot about what he thought of himself inside.

.

And I don't think anyone caught on anything about making her 'pass' in the movie, her character didn't have enough to go on for anyone to think about it.

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I actually never connected JJ from the 1999 era to this waitress from the Purple Rain tour.

Jill is definately biracial and probably more like 75% European. She looked more mixed at times back then. But from the 90s onward she looked more European. Today she could walk in a crowd of Europeans and I wouldn't think otherwise. Her father is Italian.

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But she also talked about Prince diminishing her role and storyline in the movie, like when he walked in on the set when Magnoli and Jill were filming the 'Wednesday' scene.

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Vanity said that Prince tried to get her to go blonde too.

Vanity refered to Jill Jones on her first solo album in the song Samuel as Marilyn Monroe

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Reply #8 posted 10/07/18 7:29am

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Prince didn't hate or hide his blackness and loved it for sure, but he also clearly saw himself in an ambiguious way too.


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And I don't think anyone caught on anything about making her 'pass' in the movie, her character didn't have enough to go on for anyone to think about it.


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I actually never connected JJ from the 1999 era to this waitress from the Purple Rain tour.


Jill is definately biracial and probably more like 75% European. She looked more mixed at times back then. But from the 90s onward she looked more European. Today she could walk in a crowd of Europeans and I wouldn't think otherwise. Her father is Italian.


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But she also talked about Prince diminishing her role and storyline in the movie, like when he walked in on the set when Magnoli and Jill were filming the 'Wednesday' scene.


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Vanity said that Prince tried to get her to go blonde too.



Vanity refered to Jill Jones on her first solo album in the song Samuel as Marilyn Monroe


I had read that Prince had to cut the Wednesday scene in PR due to time factors, and they decided that storyline detracted from the main story. Matt Fink said he originally had a bigger scene that was cut, and the woman who played his Mother had her dialog cut from the basement scene. As the filming progressed Magnoli decided to focus mainly on the conflicts between Prince and The Time, Appollonia, and his parents. I don't think he could fit the other storylines.
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I had watched an interview with Vanity where she said she was the one who wanted to dye her hair, and Prince told her not to do it. It might have been the interview she did for Playboy in '88. I watched that recently. If so, his instincts were correct. Blonde would not have worked with her skin tone and eyes.
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violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince didn't hate or hide his blackness and loved it for sure, but he also clearly saw himself in an ambiguious way too. How he dated tells a lot about what he thought of himself inside.

.

And I don't think anyone caught on anything about making her 'pass' in the movie, her character didn't have enough to go on for anyone to think about it.

.

I actually never connected JJ from the 1999 era to this waitress from the Purple Rain tour.

Jill is definately biracial and probably more like 75% European. She looked more mixed at times back then. But from the 90s onward she looked more European. Today she could walk in a crowd of Europeans and I wouldn't think otherwise. Her father is Italian.

.

But she also talked about Prince diminishing her role and storyline in the movie, like when he walked in on the set when Magnoli and Jill were filming the 'Wednesday' scene.

.

Vanity said that Prince tried to get her to go blonde too.

Vanity refered to Jill Jones on her first solo album in the song Samuel as Marilyn Monroe

I had read that Prince had to cut the Wednesday scene in PR due to time factors, and they decided that storyline detracted from the main story. Matt Fink said he originally had a bigger scene that was cut, and the woman who played his Mother had her dialog cut from the basement scene. As the filming progressed Magnoli decided to focus mainly on the conflicts between Prince and The Time, Appollonia, and his parents. I don't think he could fit the other storylines. * I had watched an interview with Vanity where she said she was the one who wanted to dye her hair, and Prince told her not to do it. It might have been the interview she did for Playboy in '88. I watched that recently. If so, his instincts were correct. Blonde would not have worked with her skin tone and eyes.

The way Jill explained yeah he didn't want it going to much into a storyline with her. I think the movie moves really fast and it would have explained what we were seeing between her and Prince on film already. It is already in the storyline, like Jill's physical reaction to the Kid standing behind Apollonia, it was clear she was infatuated with the Kid in the scene where she gives him the tape, her hanging out with the Revolution in the dressing room, her crying after Purple Rain as she goes to his dressing room and all she get's is a 'hi' her reaction says she was looking for more.

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Yeah a lot happened in the Kids home basement. I thought the family dynamic scenes were really good acting even for Prince. Yeah the scene were the mother looks at the son and says she thinks he looks like her, (she gave him her earring) darkened the beauty spot on his face, the almost incestious reaction etc there was a LOT of background to that movie.

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"Jill entered into our picture, to sing back up for us. Prince painted her up to resemble Marilyn Monroe. He asked her to dye her hair and at first she hated it. She had an incredible voice, singing like a bird perched in a flower tree. Yet I don’t believe that Prince used her talents to their fullest capabilities. How could anyone blame him though, he handled so many projects at one time."
-Vanity

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Reply #11 posted 10/08/18 5:52am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said: I had read that Prince had to cut the Wednesday scene in PR due to time factors, and they decided that storyline detracted from the main story. Matt Fink said he originally had a bigger scene that was cut, and the woman who played his Mother had her dialog cut from the basement scene. As the filming progressed Magnoli decided to focus mainly on the conflicts between Prince and The Time, Appollonia, and his parents. I don't think he could fit the other storylines. * I had watched an interview with Vanity where she said she was the one who wanted to dye her hair, and Prince told her not to do it. It might have been the interview she did for Playboy in '88. I watched that recently. If so, his instincts were correct. Blonde would not have worked with her skin tone and eyes.

The way Jill explained yeah he didn't want it going to much into a storyline with her. I think the movie moves really fast and it would have explained what we were seeing between her and Prince on film already. It is already in the storyline, like Jill's physical reaction to the Kid standing behind Apollonia, it was clear she was infatuated with the Kid in the scene where she gives him the tape, her hanging out with the Revolution in the dressing room, her crying after Purple Rain as she goes to his dressing room and all she get's is a 'hi' her reaction says she was looking for more.

.

Yeah a lot happened in the Kids home basement. I thought the family dynamic scenes were really good acting even for Prince. Yeah the scene were the mother looks at the son and says she thinks he looks like her, (she gave him her earring) darkened the beauty spot on his face, the almost incestious reaction etc there was a LOT of background to that movie.

Yes, I think they captured Jill's character fairly well without the extra scenes. Her annoyance when meeting Appollonia and seeing Prince stand behind her; her dynamic with Prince when she hands him the tape that Wendy and Lisa made; her reaction when he sang Darling Nikki; and then the crying scene at the end

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I just watched the 20th anniversary DVD with the commentary from Magnoli, Bob Cavallo, and another guy who worked on the film, and they discussed what a great job Prince did during the family scenes. He really "went there" emotionally. It was all geniune which makes sense because he was not a trained actor. They also confirmed that some of the relationships depicted in the film were similar to the realy dynamics. For Jill, that seems to be the case. The song She's Always In My Hair says a lot as well.

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OMG in the article Jill said "I don’t care what people wanna say. No, he was not Sammy lunchmeat!"


Laura use to say that too! Could it be Laura was really Jill? lol eek

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Reply #13 posted 10/08/18 2:09pm

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Prince did what he had to do so he wouldn’t get pigeon holed. I don’t think he thought of himself as anything other than what he was; even though most people try to either deny it or diminish it...BLACK
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


OMG in the article Jill said "I don’t care what people wanna say. No, he was not Sammy lunchmeat!"


Laura use to say that too! Could it be Laura was really Jill? lol eek

LOL oh lord please don't let it be LOL

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tab32792 said:

Prince did what he had to do so he wouldn’t get pigeon holed. I don’t think he thought of himself as anything other than what he was; even though most people try to either deny it or diminish it...BLACK

Of course he knew he was Black, but he wanted the cross-over - MTV, Top 40 radio, white fans, etc. He himself attempted to dimish it early in his career by tellling journalists he was half black and half Italian. I have the 1981 audio of his interview in Europe duing the Dirty Mind tour. He was also an artist who wanted to esplore more sounds beside R&B/Funk, hence ATWIAD and Parade, howver, the funk was always in the mix somewhere. He changed it up all the time, but always kept his roots there. He obviously also hated the separation btw black and white as he sings about it in the song Race:

Race
In the space I mark human (Face the music)
Race
Face the music
We all bones when we dead
Race
In the space I mark human (Face the music)
Cut me, cut you
Both the blood is red

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He was also with black, white and mixed women. He nevr thought skin color should be an issue. However, I think later in life he did step up and support the black community more than he had in earlier years.

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violetcrush said:

tab32792 said:

Prince did what he had to do so he wouldn’t get pigeon holed. I don’t think he thought of himself as anything other than what he was; even though most people try to either deny it or diminish it...BLACK

Of course he knew he was Black, but he wanted the cross-over - MTV, Top 40 radio, white fans, etc. He himself attempted to dimish it early in his career by tellling journalists he was half black and half Italian. I have the 1981 audio of his interview in Europe duing the Dirty Mind tour. He was also an artist who wanted to esplore more sounds beside R&B/Funk, hence ATWIAD and Parade, howver, the funk was always in the mix somewhere. He changed it up all the time, but always kept his roots there. He obviously also hated the separation btw black and white as he sings about it in the song Race:

Race
In the space I mark human (Face the music)
Race
Face the music
We all bones when we dead
Race
In the space I mark human (Face the music)
Cut me, cut you
Both the blood is red

*

He was also with black, white and mixed women. He nevr thought skin color should be an issue. However, I think later in life he did step up and support the black community more than he had in earlier years.

yep, and he continued to challenge the racial divide and other issues, in a 2011 interview, a female white interviewer refered to him as musician who is black and he replied "Am I?" and stuck his arm-hand out next to hers and she replied oh my I'm darker than you are...

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I always wonder why, even though I can understand the exasperation after the 1990 drama, why she didn't go to her 'Motown' connections and make something happen further?

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Was BLONDIE by the Time(1989) about Jill Jones for the movie Graffiti Bridge? I remember Jerome Benton tagging her as Blondie not long ago

Blondie (6:29)
recorded October-December 1989 by THE TIME at Paisley Park [6] • performed by [Morris Day] (lead vocals), [Jesse Johnson] (guitar), [Terry Lewis] (bass), [Jellybean Johnson] (drums), [Jerome Benton](percussion) and [Jimmy Jam] & [Monte Moir] (both keyboards)
written by
[Jesse Johnson] with [Jimmy Jam] & [Terry Lewis] • registered to [Jesse Johnson], [Jimmy Jam] & [Terry Lewis]
finally released 1990 on the promo CD-Album [Pandemonium] • 1990 on the Album [Pandemonium]

Body of a superstar, the mind of a ten year old
She wants to take you for a ride, the stella has hair of gold
The lights are on upstairs, but is anybody home?
She's not lookin' for a man, the girly wants to be alone

She's the queen of glamorous, everything is right
All the fellas have a fit, anytime she walks by
This woman would be dangerous, if she had a mind
When Blondie tells you what you want to hear, don't waste your time

And her name is Blondie, sexy socialite
Diggin' out on the town any given night
And her name is Blondie, the queen of glamorous
And the game is money, the girl is dangerous

Blondie was a victim to everything she liked
She likes money, fine clothes and fancy cars
But her name she could not write
Blondie is a certain type, she's not yellow, black or white
But you can find her out diggin' in the finer spots on any given night

Her fatal beauty's blinding and her intentions not kind
She tried to take a part of me, but I caught on in time
She lives a life of make believe, takes what she wants and leaves
Blondes, they do have more fun, but how dumb is she?

And her name is Blondie, sexy socialite
Diggin' out on the town any given night
And her name is Blondie, the queen of glamorous
And the game is money, the girl is dangerous

Blondie, my glamorous superstar
You took it much too far and now you're look like, 'What happened?'
Blondie, a dangerous socialite
She hangs out every night and the neighborhood game
Is to dog you blind

Yeah, Blondie
Blondie is a dumb blonde
Hey, Blondie, ooh ooh

(Oh ooh ooh ooh, oh ooh ooh)
Yeah!
(Oh ooh ooh ooh, oh ooh ooh)
Everything is right
(Oh ooh ooh ooh, oh ooh ooh)
She's the queen of glamorous
(Oh ooh ooh ooh, oh ooh ooh)
Whoo

She's the queen of glamorous, everything is right
All the fellas have a fit, anytime she walks by
This woman would be dangerous, if she had a mind
When Blondie tells you what you want to hear
If you're smart, you won't waste your time

And her name is Blondie, sexy socialite
Diggin' out on the town any given night
And her name is Blondie, the queen of glamorous
And the game is money, the girl is dangerous

All the sexy socialites, sing, yeah
Fellas, the girl is dangerous, yes
Fellas, the girl is dangerous, that's right

Is it true that blondes have more fun?
Oh Lawd, the girl is dangerous
I think I need some horns
That's right, the girl is dangerous

Come on, Blondie
Wait a minute, where are we going Morris?
I don't understand
Some things just ain't meant to be understood
Like what?
I'm one of the eight wonders of the world
I thought there were only seven

Ain't nobody bad, but me
Ooh
Blondie?
That's not my name
That's right
You ain't got to go home, but you got to get the hell outta here

Wait, wait a minute
Uh, but you got to go
No
Uh, but you got to go
Ooh?
You got to go
No
I said, "You got to go"
But can't we talk?

The girl is dangerous
The girl is dangerous
Oh ooh ooh ooh

Playin' rock 'n' roll
Playin' rock 'n' roll
Morris is playin' rock 'n' roll
Playin' rock 'n' roll

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Do we know who the old girlfriend was? Vanity maybe?

Jill Jones' role in the Graffiti Bridge movie was originally much larger than what she ended up playing. Kim Basinger was intended as the original lead in the movie, but when she and Prince parted company shortly before filming began, Prince simply combined Kim's and Jill's parts together and gave them to Ingred Chavez. Jill was then given a much smaller role as Prince's girlfriend.

While flying to Minneapolis to film the movie, Jill read the revamped script and began to tear it up and started to throw pages all around the cabin. Jill retired to the bathroom while her PA had to walk around the plane asking fellow passengers for pages of the script back.

Jill later said that if she had not been on the plane already she would have turned right round and returned home.

Jill did turn up in Minneapolis but she refused to talk to Prince on the set of Graffiti Bridge. In fact she refused to communicate with anyone except in French. Prince got upset and told Jill "If you don't smile and act better round here, then this is your replacement," and then showed Jill a photograph. Jill replied "Oh, an old girlfriend?" She stayed to complete the film but her relationship with Prince was never the same.

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
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OldFriends4Sale said:

Was BLONDIE by the Time(1989) about Jill Jones for the movie Graffiti Bridge? I remember Jerome Benton tagging her as Blondie not long ago

Blondie (6:29)
recorded October-December 1989 by THE TIME at Paisley Park [6] • performed by [Morris Day] (lead vocals), [Jesse Johnson] (guitar), [Terry Lewis] (bass), [Jellybean Johnson] (drums), [Jerome Benton](percussion) and [Jimmy Jam] & [Monte Moir] (both keyboards)
written by [Jesse Johnson] with [Jimmy Jam] & [Terry Lewis] • registered to [Jesse Johnson], [Jimmy Jam] & [Terry Lewis]
finally released 1990 on the promo CD-Album [Pandemonium] • 1990 on the Album [Pandemonium]

Body of a superstar, the mind of a ten year old
She wants to take you for a ride, the stella has hair of gold
The lights are on upstairs, but is anybody home?
She's not lookin' for a man, the girly wants to be alone

She's the queen of glamorous, everything is right
All the fellas have a fit, anytime she walks by
This woman would be dangerous, if she had a mind
When Blondie tells you what you want to hear, don't waste your time

And her name is Blondie, sexy socialite
Diggin' out on the town any given night
And her name is Blondie, the queen of glamorous
And the game is money, the girl is dangerous

Blondie was a victim to everything she liked
She likes money, fine clothes and fancy cars
But her name she could not write
Blondie is a certain type, she's not yellow, black or white
But you can find her out diggin' in the finer spots on any given night

Her fatal beauty's blinding and her intentions not kind
She tried to take a part of me, but I caught on in time
She lives a life of make believe, takes what she wants and leaves
Blondes, they do have more fun, but how dumb is she?

And her name is Blondie, sexy socialite
Diggin' out on the town any given night
And her name is Blondie, the queen of glamorous
And the game is money, the girl is dangerous

Blondie, my glamorous superstar
You took it much too far and now you're look like, 'What happened?'
Blondie, a dangerous socialite
She hangs out every night and the neighborhood game
Is to dog you blind

Yeah, Blondie
Blondie is a dumb blonde
Hey, Blondie, ooh ooh

(Oh ooh ooh ooh, oh ooh ooh)
Yeah!
(Oh ooh ooh ooh, oh ooh ooh)
Everything is right
(Oh ooh ooh ooh, oh ooh ooh)
She's the queen of glamorous
(Oh ooh ooh ooh, oh ooh ooh)
Whoo

She's the queen of glamorous, everything is right
All the fellas have a fit, anytime she walks by
This woman would be dangerous, if she had a mind
When Blondie tells you what you want to hear
If you're smart, you won't waste your time

And her name is Blondie, sexy socialite
Diggin' out on the town any given night
And her name is Blondie, the queen of glamorous
And the game is money, the girl is dangerous

All the sexy socialites, sing, yeah
Fellas, the girl is dangerous, yes
Fellas, the girl is dangerous, that's right

Is it true that blondes have more fun?
Oh Lawd, the girl is dangerous
I think I need some horns
That's right, the girl is dangerous

Come on, Blondie
Wait a minute, where are we going Morris?
I don't understand
Some things just ain't meant to be understood
Like what?
I'm one of the eight wonders of the world
I thought there were only seven

Ain't nobody bad, but me
Ooh
Blondie?
That's not my name
That's right
You ain't got to go home, but you got to get the hell outta here

Wait, wait a minute
Uh, but you got to go
No
Uh, but you got to go
Ooh?
You got to go
No
I said, "You got to go"
But can't we talk?

The girl is dangerous
The girl is dangerous
Oh ooh ooh ooh

Playin' rock 'n' roll
Playin' rock 'n' roll
Morris is playin' rock 'n' roll
Playin' rock 'n' roll

Remember though, Kim Basinger wss supposed to play Ingrid Chavez's role after Madonna backed out. I think this song was probably written for her character when she was still going to be doing the movie. Jill's hair was back to brunette by that time.

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*** Just saw the text under Ingrid's picture....Jill had a bigger role, but I think the "blonde" in the film would have been Kim B..

[Edited 10/9/18 8:23am]

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Just thinking abuot the date the song was recorded....Kim B was said to have left MN by end of '89. Sounds like the song was a major dig toward her - especially this lyric:

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Her fatal beauty's blinding and her intentions not kind
She tried to take a part of me, but I caught on in time
She lives a life of make believe, takes what she wants and leaves
Blondes, they do have more fun, but how dumb is she?

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violetcrush said:

Just thinking abuot the date the song was recorded....Kim B was said to have left MN by end of '89. Sounds like the song was a major dig toward her - especially this lyric:

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Her fatal beauty's blinding and her intentions not kind
She tried to take a part of me, but I caught on in time
She lives a life of make believe, takes what she wants and leaves
Blondes, they do have more fun, but how dumb is she?

Right, I forgot about Kim Bassinger possible part in the film

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
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FADE IN: PR Outake:Wednesday ... I Don't Know What I'd Do...

Saturday night I called you
You weren't even home
Needed someone to talk to
Hate it when I'm all alone
Contemplating suicide from 12 o'clock till two
If you're not back by Wednesday
There's no tellin' what I might do
Ooh, might do, baby
No tellin' what I might do, oh, oh
Oh
There's no tellin' what I might do
You want to flip it over?



(23) INT. CLUB EARLY MORNING

MUSIC wafts through the sun-drenched
CLUB. Jill is seated at the PIANO, 'a
la Marlene Dietrich, SINGING to her
heart's content. A cigarette dangles
from her lip, a police cap is perched
jauntily on her head. It's a simple bar
tune, delivered slightly off-key, but
with an openness that is endearing.
Chick is working in the corner,
chuckling to himself, stacking chairs,
sweeping up.

Suddenly she stops -- listens intently.
She jumps up, deliberately spills her
orange juice on the piano. Prince comes
around the corner, stops short--

PRINCE
(surprised)
What are you doing here?

She's a bundle of loose, embarrassing
ends -- the cigarette, hat, juice--

JILL
What...what are you doing
here?




He feels caught out -- SCANS the BOARD
earnestly for Vanity's info -- tries
to think of something to say--

PRINCE
Huh ... it's kind of dead in
here. Where is everybody?


JILL
In bed I guess...
(to herself)
Oh, God ...
(changes subject)
Guess what, I bought a dog.


PRINCE
That's nice...
(he spots vanity's card)
Ah, I guess I'll come back at
a better time. You think
tonight the the place'll be
jumping?


JILL
Well, I'll be here -- I always
like what you do.


He smiles, moves to the door -- Jill
connects with a thought--

JILL
Wait! I've got something for
you.


PRINCE
What? A subpoena?

JILL
(embarrassed)
No...

She rumages through her bag, pulls out a
cassette--



JILL
It's a song Lisa and Wendy
wrote.


He stiffens, doesn't reach for it--

PRINCE
(suspicious)
Why didn't they give it to me
themselves?



JILL
Well, I liked it and wanted to
listen to it. They told me to
give it to you when I was
done.


He puts his sunglasses on, hesitates,
then takes it from her gingerly. He
regards it for a long time--

PRINCE
You really liked it, huh?

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
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Reply #24 posted 10/09/18 8:47am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

Just thinking abuot the date the song was recorded....Kim B was said to have left MN by end of '89. Sounds like the song was a major dig toward her - especially this lyric:

*

Her fatal beauty's blinding and her intentions not kind
She tried to take a part of me, but I caught on in time
She lives a life of make believe, takes what she wants and leaves
Blondes, they do have more fun, but how dumb is she?

Right, I forgot about Kim Bassinger possible part in the film

Yes, she was writing the original script with him. Poor guy could not get anyone to stay for that film! That should have been an indication for him that the film would not fair welll at the box office. Alas, he was too far into "Prince world" by that point... confused

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Reply #25 posted 10/09/18 8:53am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

FADE IN: PR Outake:Wednesday ... I Don't Know What I'd Do...

Saturday night I called you
You weren't even home
Needed someone to talk to
Hate it when I'm all alone
Contemplating suicide from 12 o'clock till two
If you're not back by Wednesday
There's no tellin' what I might do
Ooh, might do, baby
No tellin' what I might do, oh, oh
Oh
There's no tellin' what I might do
You want to flip it over?



(23) INT. CLUB EARLY MORNING

MUSIC wafts through the sun-drenched
CLUB. Jill is seated at the PIANO, 'a
la Marlene Dietrich, SINGING to her
heart's content. A cigarette dangles
from her lip, a police cap is perched
jauntily on her head. It's a simple bar
tune, delivered slightly off-key, but
with an openness that is endearing.
Chick is working in the corner,
chuckling to himself, stacking chairs,
sweeping up.

Suddenly she stops -- listens intently.
She jumps up, deliberately spills her
orange juice on the piano. Prince comes
around the corner, stops short--

PRINCE
(surprised)
What are you doing here?

She's a bundle of loose, embarrassing
ends -- the cigarette, hat, juice--

JILL
What...what are you doing
here?




He feels caught out -- SCANS the BOARD
earnestly for Vanity's info -- tries
to think of something to say--

PRINCE
Huh ... it's kind of dead in
here. Where is everybody?


JILL
In bed I guess...
(to herself)
Oh, God ...
(changes subject)
Guess what, I bought a dog.


PRINCE
That's nice...
(he spots vanity's card)
Ah, I guess I'll come back at
a better time. You think
tonight the the place'll be
jumping?


JILL
Well, I'll be here -- I always
like what you do.


He smiles, moves to the door -- Jill
connects with a thought--

JILL
Wait! I've got something for
you.


PRINCE
What? A subpoena?

JILL
(embarrassed)
No...

She rumages through her bag, pulls out a
cassette--



JILL
It's a song Lisa and Wendy
wrote.


He stiffens, doesn't reach for it--

PRINCE
(suspicious)
Why didn't they give it to me
themselves?



JILL
Well, I liked it and wanted to
listen to it. They told me to
give it to you when I was
done.


He puts his sunglasses on, hesitates,
then takes it from her gingerly. He
regards it for a long time--

PRINCE
You really liked it, huh?

Without a doubt, Jill had it BAD for Prince back then!! When Susannah talked about Prince first pursuing her and staying with her, Wendy & Lisa in early '83 she said, "it caused some raucous with someone he was seeing the time..." Pretty sure she was referring to Jill...

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Right, I forgot about Kim Bassinger possible part in the film

Yes, she was writing the original script with him. Poor guy could not get anyone to stay for that film! That should have been an indication for him that the film would not fair welll at the box office. Alas, he was too far into "Prince world" by that point... confused

actually the original original was Prince Madonna Cat & the Lovesexy band with Mavis Staples

I believe Madonna was first then Kim Bassinger then Ingrid

Cat Glover

Prince, Madonna and I were the original lineup for Graffiti Bridge. That movie was strictly written for Prince, Madonna and myself. Period. Exclamation point.
That movie was actually written on the Lovesexy Tour. Everyone in that movie replaced us. Prince actually wrote the movie and most of it was what we experienced on the Lovesexy Tour. Madonna pulled out of the movie and I left Prince; I quit. So, he had to revamp the script.
That's when he got Ingrid Chavez and everyone else. But, Mavis Staples was one person that was originally supposed to be in the movie. She was always part of the movie. Sheila E. was part of the movie. Everyone else was a replacement. I don't mean to say it that way, it sounds kind of harsh and mean, but, I know the original script.
I was in the studio with Madonna and Prince when they were discussing the script. The story was totally different. I remember they were arguing over the script, bragging on each other, talking about each other's shoes and I was laughing. Madonna said to Prince "Cat and I should have a dance battle" and Prince said (speaking in a low raspy voice) "I don't think so. I don't think you want to do that. I don't think you want to dance against Cat." That's just how he said it. I'll never forget it.
That was two powerful people, together, in the same space—and me. I was more like a bystander listening and watching.
But, the whole movie changed.

.

.

.

.

the Time actually had a film they wanted to do before Prince gathered them to do GB and this might have been the 2nd configuration of Graffiti Bridge. I think that film changed about 3-4 times

ROLLING STONE (1990)


PRINCE TALKS

BY NEAL KARLEN

Originally, Graffiti Bridge was going to be a vehicle for the reborn Time, with Prince staying behind the camera. But Warner Bros. wouldn't go for it, so Prince wrote himself into a new movie. Later, visitors to Paisley Park saw a version of a script that was allegedly obtuse to the point of near gibberish. "That was just a real rough thirty-page treatment I wrote with Kim," Prince says. "Graffiti Bridge is an entirely different movie."


#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
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violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

FADE IN: PR Outake:Wednesday ... I Don't Know What I'd Do...

Saturday night I called you
You weren't even home
Needed someone to talk to
Hate it when I'm all alone
Contemplating suicide from 12 o'clock till two
If you're not back by Wednesday
There's no tellin' what I might do
Ooh, might do, baby
No tellin' what I might do, oh, oh
Oh
There's no tellin' what I might do
You want to flip it over?



(23) INT. CLUB EARLY MORNING

MUSIC wafts through the sun-drenched
CLUB. Jill is seated at the PIANO, 'a
la Marlene Dietrich, SINGING to her
heart's content. A cigarette dangles
from her lip, a police cap is perched
jauntily on her head. It's a simple bar
tune, delivered slightly off-key, but
with an openness that is endearing.
Chick is working in the corner,
chuckling to himself, stacking chairs,
sweeping up.

Suddenly she stops -- listens intently.
She jumps up, deliberately spills her
orange juice on the piano. Prince comes
around the corner, stops short--

PRINCE
(surprised)
What are you doing here?

She's a bundle of loose, embarrassing
ends -- the cigarette, hat, juice--

JILL
What...what are you doing
here?




He feels caught out -- SCANS the BOARD
earnestly for Vanity's info -- tries
to think of something to say--

PRINCE
Huh ... it's kind of dead in
here. Where is everybody?


JILL
In bed I guess...
(to herself)
Oh, God ...
(changes subject)
Guess what, I bought a dog.


PRINCE
That's nice...
(he spots vanity's card)
Ah, I guess I'll come back at
a better time. You think
tonight the the place'll be
jumping?


JILL
Well, I'll be here -- I always
like what you do.


He smiles, moves to the door -- Jill
connects with a thought--

JILL
Wait! I've got something for
you.


PRINCE
What? A subpoena?

JILL
(embarrassed)
No...

She rumages through her bag, pulls out a
cassette--



JILL
It's a song Lisa and Wendy
wrote.


He stiffens, doesn't reach for it--

PRINCE
(suspicious)
Why didn't they give it to me
themselves?



JILL
Well, I liked it and wanted to
listen to it. They told me to
give it to you when I was
done.


He puts his sunglasses on, hesitates,
then takes it from her gingerly. He
regards it for a long time--

PRINCE
You really liked it, huh?

Without a doubt, Jill had it BAD for Prince back then!! When Susannah talked about Prince first pursuing her and staying with her, Wendy & Lisa in early '83 she said, "it caused some raucous with someone he was seeing the time..." Pretty sure she was referring to Jill...

most likely.

It should have been clear to Jill, but when unrequited love smothers someone it is hard to see reality. You sit hoping and waiting for something that was never going to happen.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
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Reply #28 posted 10/09/18 9:12am

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OF4S: Just noticed this part of your quote....

*

Jill later said that if she had not been on the plane already she would have turned right round and returned home.

Jill did turn up in Minneapolis but she refused to talk to Prince on the set of Graffiti Bridge. In fact she refused to communicate with anyone except in French. Prince got upset and told Jill "If you don't smile and act better round here, then this is your replacement," and then showed Jill a photograph. Jill replied "Oh, an old girlfriend?" She stayed to complete the film but her relationship with Prince was never the same.

*

Interesting!! I'm thinking either Vanity, as it was rumored that she started coming back around, or possibly Anna Garcia. Anna stated that he had called her after Kim B left MN and told her that Kim had "let him down". She implied that he was trying to get her to go back to MN to be in the film.

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Reply #29 posted 10/09/18 9:18am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, she was writing the original script with him. Poor guy could not get anyone to stay for that film! That should have been an indication for him that the film would not fair welll at the box office. Alas, he was too far into "Prince world" by that point... confused

actually the original original was Prince Madonna Cat & the Lovesexy band with Mavis Staples

I believe Madonna was first then Kim Bassinger then Ingrid

Cat Glover

Prince, Madonna and I were the original lineup for Graffiti Bridge. That movie was strictly written for Prince, Madonna and myself. Period. Exclamation point.
That movie was actually written on the Lovesexy Tour. Everyone in that movie replaced us. Prince actually wrote the movie and most of it was what we experienced on the Lovesexy Tour. Madonna pulled out of the movie and I left Prince; I quit. So, he had to revamp the script.
That's when he got Ingrid Chavez and everyone else. But, Mavis Staples was one person that was originally supposed to be in the movie. She was always part of the movie. Sheila E. was part of the movie. Everyone else was a replacement. I don't mean to say it that way, it sounds kind of harsh and mean, but, I know the original script.
I was in the studio with Madonna and Prince when they were discussing the script. The story was totally different. I remember they were arguing over the script, bragging on each other, talking about each other's shoes and I was laughing. Madonna said to Prince "Cat and I should have a dance battle" and Prince said (speaking in a low raspy voice) "I don't think so. I don't think you want to do that. I don't think you want to dance against Cat." That's just how he said it. I'll never forget it.
That was two powerful people, together, in the same space—and me. I was more like a bystander listening and watching.
But, the whole movie changed.

.

.

.

.

the Time actually had a film they wanted to do before Prince gathered them to do GB and this might have been the 2nd configuration of Graffiti Bridge. I think that film changed about 3-4 times

ROLLING STONE (1990)


PRINCE TALKS

BY NEAL KARLEN

Originally, Graffiti Bridge was going to be a vehicle for the reborn Time, with Prince staying behind the camera. But Warner Bros. wouldn't go for it, so Prince wrote himself into a new movie. Later, visitors to Paisley Park saw a version of a script that was allegedly obtuse to the point of near gibberish. "That was just a real rough thirty-page treatment I wrote with Kim," Prince says. "Graffiti Bridge is an entirely different movie."


Yes, I did read that interview with Cat online. Before Ingrid was chosen though, he had met and began dating Kim Basinger. The two of them re-vamped the script, and she was supposed to play the Aura character. My guess is that Prince wrote most of that "re-vamped" script though. He wanted control of everything by then. Kim left the scene, then per Anna Garcia, Prince called her to ask her to do the movie. Then, while Ingrid was doing a video shoot for one of her songs the guy (forget his name, but he was at PP for a long time) running the shoot told Prince he should consider her for the lead in the film.

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