This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth...
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Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.

Tired of it too!

There should be a thread titled, The good, the bad, and the ugly, all about _____________ (what ever name).

As long as this new "reality" is evenly applied across the board, this should be a good thing.

rogifan said:

How about one thread per associate where news, video, social medial etc. can be posted. Would be much better than 5 different threads about something Andy or Mayte did/said.

That's a good idea.

rogifan said:

How about one thread per associate where news, video, social medial etc. can be posted. Would be much better than 5 different threads about something Andy or Mayte did/said.

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Wooo, sounds like an excellent idea!

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One thread only to talk about whoeva!!

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Yes!

OldFriends4Sale said:

Just create a new section entirely called "Prince's Lovers" where ostensibly adult people who have a LOT of time on their hands can get in touch with their inner seventh grader by bickering over who was prince's "soul mate," the hidden message of a tweet in 2014, the secret code in the shirt so-and-so was wearing on that one day 5 years ago, etc.

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Then restrict the associates section to discussion of music and other professional work by people with some Prince connection, whether they were romantically entangled or not.

purplemist7777 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth...
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Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.

Great! This is not AA.org

purplemist7777 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth...
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Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.

Great! This is not AA.org

There are multiple posts about a few of the other female associates too. It is kind of confusing and a bit hard to follow.

pinkcashmere23 said:

disch said:

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

That's a good idea.

No it isn’t. It would then become a “competition” for you and Fly to see which thread can get the most clicks. You’re always thinking ahead, aren’t you? Lol...

I have never created one thread on any of the forums. Most of the threads about Andy were created by Latin.I believe that Fly started three and the other two, including the Superconductor Appreciation thread were by other posters.

disch said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said: No it isn’t. It would then become a “competition” for you and Fly to see which thread can get the most clicks. You’re always thinking ahead, aren’t you? Lol...

I have never created one thread on any of the forums. Most of the threads about Andy were created by Latin.I believe that Fly started three and the other two, including the Superconductor Appreciation thread were by other posters.

And, the one about Andy's love letter was also posted by someone else.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I have never created one thread on any of the forums. Most of the threads about Andy were created by Latin.I believe that Fly started three and the other two, including the Superconductor Appreciation thread were by other posters.

And, the one about Andy's love letter was also posted by someone else.

Yes,I think it was by purplerabbithole.

It's not all that confusing. I don't think there's more than 2 threads on the first page about any one associated. Exept for andy allo. She has 7.

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But the bigger problem is that "associate" has come to mean "girlfriend/wife" instead of professional collaborator, and the discussions are all about his personal relationships with these women, rather than professional.

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For example, the discussion of Janelle monae's excellent new album is in the "non-prince music" section. Would she not be considered an "associate"? what's the definition? if the definition is "lover/protegee" then just call this section that.

pinkcashmere23 said:

purplemist7777 said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Great! This is not AA.org

There are multiple posts about a few of the other female associates too. It is kind of confusing and a bit hard to follow.

disch said:

Just create a new section entirely called "Prince's Lovers" where ostensibly adult people who have a LOT of time on their hands can get in touch with their inner seventh grader by bickering over who was prince's "soul mate," the hidden message of a tweet in 2014, the secret code in the shirt so-and-so was wearing on that one day 5 years ago, etc.

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Then restrict the associates section to discussion of music and other professional work by people with some Prince connection, whether they were romantically entangled or not.

purplemist7777 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth...
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Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.

Great! This is not AA.org

No, this section is PPP.org...Prince's Purple Pu$$y.org

PennyPurple said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

disch said:

It's not all that confusing. I don't think there's more than 2 threads on the first page about any one associated. Exept for andy allo. She has 7.

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But the bigger problem is that "associate" has come to mean "girlfriend/wife" instead of professional collaborator, and the discussions are all about his personal relationships with these women, rather than professional.

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For example, the discussion of Janelle monae's excellent new album is in the "non-prince music" section. Would she not be considered an "associate"? what's the definition? if the definition is "lover/protegee" then just call this section that.

pinkcashmere23 said:

There are multiple posts about a few of the other female associates too. It is kind of confusing and a bit hard to follow.

For some reason, Andy is always singled out by certain people. For the record, there are presently seven (7) active Mayte threads...and that's just on the first two pages. There are five-six Vanity/Denise threads. And, presently, Natalya, who is not even technically a Prince protege, has at least three active threads.

This section isn't supposed to be restricted to "prince protegees" (however you define that). It's about "associates." Those can be men, women, professional, friendly, romantic, etc. And it's not some competition between these women to see who can have the most threads, posts, views, etc. i mean, honestly.

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And yes page 1 of this section has 7 andy allo threads, in which the same couple posters are just talking about whatever stuff they always talk about (as oppposed to the actual subject of the thread).

disch said:

It's not all that confusing. I don't think there's more than 2 threads on the first page about any one associated. Exept for andy allo. She has 7.

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But the bigger problem is that "associate" has come to mean "girlfriend/wife" instead of professional collaborator, and the discussions are all about his personal relationships with these women, rather than professional.

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For example, the discussion of Janelle monae's excellent new album is in the "non-prince music" section. Would she not be considered an "associate"? what's the definition? if the definition is "lover/protegee" then just call this section that.

For some reason, Andy is always singled out by certain people. For the record, there are presently seven (7) active Mayte threads...and that's just on the first two pages. There are five-six Vanity/Denise threads. And, presently, Natalya, who is not even technically a Prince protege, has at least three active threads.

disch said:

This section isn't supposed to be restricted to "prince protegees" (however you define that). It's about "associates." Those can be men, women, professional, friendly, romantic, etc. And it's not some competition between these women to see who can have the most threads, posts, views, etc. i mean, honestly.

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And yes page 1 of this section has 7 andy allo threads, in which the same couple posters are just talking about whatever stuff they always talk about (as oppposed to the actual subject of the thread).

For some reason, Andy is always singled out by certain people. For the record, there are presently seven (7) active Mayte threads...and that's just on the first two pages. There are five-six Vanity/Denise threads. And, presently, Natalya, who is not even technically a Prince protege, has at least three active threads.

No, it's not a competition, but it was YOU who singled out Andy Allo for a thread count....and I responded to YOUR reply. And, now that I have pointed out that there are multiple threads for several Prince associates, you want to conveniently forget counting.

Also, BTW, there are Andy threads that were started by FOUR different Orgers...and there are NUMEROUS responders on each. I don't know why you want to make it seem like there are only three Orgers interested in AA, but it's just not true.

Fly, most of the responders on the Andy Allo threads who aren't one of the 3 usual suspects are people trying to talk some sense into the 3 usual suspects (well, primarily you, frankly) about what reads as an obsession. There aren't heaps of people eagerly joining your conversations about, say, the meaning of that ring andy wore in that one picture.

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And, yes, the 7 threads were started by a couple different people, besides the 3 you started. For example, one was started by a moderator to as a retort to you when you were complaining that you were being prevented from having the full quantity of active andy allo threads that you felt entitled to.

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But it's all moot because the moderators have some plan to clean up this section and good for them!

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

This section isn't supposed to be restricted to "prince protegees" (however you define that). It's about "associates." Those can be men, women, professional, friendly, romantic, etc. And it's not some competition between these women to see who can have the most threads, posts, views, etc. i mean, honestly.

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And yes page 1 of this section has 7 andy allo threads, in which the same couple posters are just talking about whatever stuff they always talk about (as oppposed to the actual subject of the thread).

No, it's not a competition, but it was YOU who singled out Andy Allo for a thread count....and I responded to YOUR reply. And, now that I have pointed out that there are multiple threads for several Prince associates, you want to conveniently forget counting.

Also, BTW, there are Andy threads that were started by FOUR different Orgers...and there are NUMEROUS responders on each. I don't know why you want to make it seem like there are only three Orgers interested in AA, but it's just not true.

disch said:

yeah,I'm tired of all these gossipy "women threads".Let's focus more on the music by associated artists.

disch said:

Fly, most of the responders on the Andy Allo threads who aren't one of the 3 usual suspects are people trying to talk some sense into the 3 usual suspects (well, primarily you, frankly) about what reads as an obsession. There aren't heaps of people eagerly joining your conversations about, say, the meaning of that ring andy wore in that one picture.

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And, yes, the 7 threads were started by a couple different people, besides the 3 you started. For example, one was started by a moderator to as a retort to you when you were complaining that you were being prevented from having the full quantity of active andy allo threads that you felt entitled to.

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But it's all moot because the moderators have some plan to clean up this section and good for them!

FlyOnTheWall said:

No, it's not a competition, but it was YOU who singled out Andy Allo for a thread count....and I responded to YOUR reply. And, now that I have pointed out that there are multiple threads for several Prince associates, you want to conveniently forget counting.

Also, BTW, there are Andy threads that were started by FOUR different Orgers...and there are NUMEROUS responders on each. I don't know why you want to make it seem like there are only three Orgers interested in AA, but it's just not true.

That's just not true. Of course, there are two-three Orgers who come on every single Andy thread hurling insults, unfounded rumors, and profanity, but somehow they are the sensible ones in your story. Besides those Orgers, there are numerous other participants in the threads.

It is also important to note that you could say the same thing about threads about Mayte, Vanity, etc: There is a core group of Orgers who keep them going. But, none of them are hounded like Andy enthusiasts.

And, I'll not wade into the moderator quagmire, beyond saying that my major issue is (and remains) the erasure of wonderfully informative threads on Prince and Andy, which, btw, translates to archival information on the final years of his life. You would think such information would be welcome on Prince.org.

Let's get some more threads about Morris Day and The Time,Mazarati,Jesse Johnson,etc......where their music is being discussed and analyzed! Isn't that better than focusing on all the women that Prince slept with?

FlyOnTheWall said:

And the posters who are over running this thread are 1 of the reasons this has become such a problem. You know who you 2 are.

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

That's just not true. Of course, there are two-three Orgers who come on every single Andy thread hurling insults, unfounded rumors, and profanity, but somehow they are the sensible ones in your story. Besides those Orgers, there are numerous other participants in the threads.

It is also important to note that you could say the same thing about threads about Mayte, Vanity, etc: There is a core group of Orgers who keep them going. But, none of them are hounded like Andy enthusiasts.

And, I'll not wade into the moderator quagmire, beyond saying that my major issue is (and remains) the erasure of wonderfully informative threads on Prince and Andy, which, btw, translates to archival information on the final years of his life. You would think such information would be welcome on Prince.org.

Only one person uses profanity (although I said “bullsh*t” once, and what I said on a certain thread was not an u founded rumor. I have spoken at length with someone who had a longterm relationship with him during 2011-2012, and whom he pursued until mid-2013. The unfounded rumor was the one Pink put there today.

I hate to break it to you, angel, but that is what is called an unfounded rumor. And, I saw the rumor that pink posted, which she indicated is a rumor that should be taken with a grain of salt. But, at least she could point us (actually, it was YOU) to the Twitter post where it was written. You can't even give us that with your recycled LSA tales...and you have the nerve to insist that the drivel you spout is factual...and that you are privy to some exclusive secret about P's love life. You never cease to amaze me.

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

That's just not true. Of course, there are two-three Orgers who come on every single Andy thread hurling insults, unfounded rumors, and profanity, but somehow they are the sensible ones in your story. Besides those Orgers, there are numerous other participants in the threads.

It is also important to note that you could say the same thing about threads about Mayte, Vanity, etc: There is a core group of Orgers who keep them going. But, none of them are hounded like Andy enthusiasts.

And, I'll not wade into the moderator quagmire, beyond saying that my major issue is (and remains) the erasure of wonderfully informative threads on Prince and Andy, which, btw, translates to archival information on the final years of his life. You would think such information would be welcome on Prince.org.

Only one person uses profanity (although I said “bullsh*t” once, and what I said on a certain thread was not an u founded rumor. I have spoken at length with someone who had a longterm relationship with him during 2011-2012, and whom he pursued until mid-2013. The unfounded rumor was the one Pink put there today.

I didn't post the rumor until sharpie asked. I thought that most fans on social media would know what I was referring to since the Prince fan group that posted the article is well known and widely followed.As I said earlier I take rumors that I have read online such as the one about T&C with a grain of salt.Unless something comes from someone I know was close to him such as Hannah Welton,Shelby or Elisa for instance,I am skeptical about what to believe.

rogifan said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said: Only one person uses profanity (although I said “bullsh*t” once, and what I said on a certain thread was not an u founded rumor. I have spoken at length with someone who had a longterm relationship with him during 2011-2012, and whom he pursued until mid-2013. The unfounded rumor was the one Pink put there today.

I hate to break it to you, angel, but that is what is called an unfounded rumor. And, I saw the rumor that pink posted, which she indicated is a rumor that should be taken with a grain of salt. But, at least she could point us (actually, it was YOU) to the Twitter post where it was written. You can't even give us that with your recycled LSA tales...and you have the nerve to insist that the drivel you spout is factual...and that you are privy to some exclusive secret about P's love life. You never cease to amaze me.

Thanks Fly! I actually was wondering myself where the rumor originated from and sharpieheartz posted the link to the source.

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

anangellooksdown said:

By the way, all I will say was, that Prince was ONE SEXY MF. So you girls who’ve been dreaming... Keep doing so. He is JUST as u imagined.

SoulAlive said:

On page one of this forum,there are hardly any threads about any of the *male* associates...it’s just thread after thread about Andy,Mayte,etc....the same,tired discussions going on and on and on.

SoulAlive, more people should start (and maintain) threads about what interests them. That is the only way to assure a more diverse selection of topics.

[Edited 5/10/18 15:54pm]

FlyOnTheWall said:

SoulAlive said:

On page one of this forum,there are hardly any threads about any of the *male* associates...it’s just thread after thread about Andy,Mayte,etc....the same,tired discussions going on and on and on.

SoulAlive, more people should start (and maintain) threads about what interests them. That is the only way to assure a more diverse selection of topics.

[Edited 5/10/18 15:54pm]

That's very true. I appreciate that Latin has been posting about a variety of topics such as upcoming events and several of the associated artists projects.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

SoulAlive said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

SoulAlive, more people should start (and maintain) threads about what interests them. That is the only way to assure a more diverse selection of topics.

Good point,but I just think that there are too many “gossipy” threads in this forum and it’s always about the female protégés.A lot of these threads are about personal things that have nothing to do with their music.

The nature of Prince's music (the lyrics) make it virtually impossible to dissect them without talking about emotions and intimacy. Have you ever considered that? And, even when we try to talk about the music, there is a band of Orgers who are allowed to consistently veer the threads off topic with personal attacks and profanity.

For instance, there was an excellent Superconductor appreciation thread started by another Orger that was going very well. The focus was on lyrics, photos, interviews, and articles about the album...but once again, the lyrics are deeply personal and it's impossible to discuss them without talking about them relative to Prince and Andy's relationship. Still, I would say that 75-80 percent of that thread is/was about the lyrics, interviews, and pictures. Now, that thread has been removed. I'm told that it will be brought back, but all we can do is wait and see.

In the end, it is important to remember that different people have different interests. Some Orgers are musicians, so they crave threads about the technical aspects of Prince's music and musicianship. Others want to talk about the vault and upcoming releases. Still others are focused on estate matters, so they tend to head directly to those threads. Then there are those who want to talk and read about the investigation and the recent document dump.

Personally, I will sometimes dip into/lurk on threads about all of the topics I've mentioned, but I am most interested in Prince's final years and his last music, of which Andy Allo is a large part. Some are interested in the earlier years, the music and relationships, so they are more interested in Susannah, Vanity, Cat, etc. Then there are those who can't get enough information about his marriages and the music that they inspired. Thus, those Orgers are drawn to discussions about Mayte and Manuela.

Because of my primary interest level, the music and relationships from 2011-2016, I made the conscious choice to create threads and post information that I find noteworthy...and important...and engage in discussion with others with similar interests...which leaves little time for worrying about what is going down on those threads about which I'm less interested...and on which I seldom click. As a result, I am constantly bullied and ridiculed for, basically, staying in my lane. Do you think that is fair?

[Edited 5/10/18 17:15pm]

disch said:

SoulAlive said:

SoulAlive said:

Let's get some more threads about Morris Day and The Time,Mazarati,Jesse Johnson,etc......where their music is being discussed and analyzed! Isn't that better than focusing on all the women that Prince slept with?

Agreed. I BEEN sick and tired of every turd these bobble heads drop on social media getting its own thread.


The only other time I saw this many damn catfights was when the biggest pimp in our old neighborhood died and his hoes were ALL trying to out-do each other at the funeral. True Story.

anangellooksdown said:

By the way, all I will say was, that Prince was ONE SEXY MF. So you girls who’ve been dreaming... Keep doing so. He is JUST as u imagined.

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

SoulAlive said:

Let's get some more threads about Morris Day and The Time,Mazarati,Jesse Johnson,etc......where their music is being discussed and analyzed! Isn't that better than focusing on all the women that Prince slept with?

What/who's stopping you from starting such a thread?

Asenath said:

Asenath said:

The moderators didn't say anything about "censoring thoughts and ideas." A few people (me included) posted our ideas about what should be done and they're pretty much all a variation of containing these repetitive girlfriend discussions to one thread, section, etc. Pretty similar to what the mods do now witih death-theory talk (direct it all to the one sticky and lock up any additional threads).

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

SoulAlive said:

^^One sticky thread devoted to all the girlfriends is a great idea.That way,the forum won’t get flooded with a ton of gossipy/women threads.

i think What rogifan proposed would work better.One thread per associate artist/woman. It would be confusing to discuss them all in one thread.

pinkcashmere23 said:

I think there needs to be another forum: Prince and the Women He Loved

Leave Associated artists & people as "ex-bandmembers, ex-employees, people he collaborated with" instead of "ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."

It is hard to come to this forum to look for information on band members when the number of threads discussing Prince's love life, who Prince loved more, which woman was The One, etc., seems to be the majority of threads over here.

Much of what is talked about in each of the threads involving the exes are the same pictures, the same articles, getting rehashed in each thread as proof to show this is who he loved more.

Personally, I think each of the women brought something to Prince and made him happy while they were together, and none of them were the LOVE of his life. I think they all were loved deeply at various times. I think he continued to care for all of them after the relationships ended, in the same way that we tend to care for those that we were involved with, after the relationships ended. At first, there may be some anger, confusion, and hurt feelings, but as time goes on, those feelings eventually mellow out and we tend to remember the better times more than we do the bad. We don't spend our lives (or at least I hope no one does, because that would be a very painful existence) lamenting the loss of the one that got away and pining after them for the rest of our lives. We may think of them from time to time, but we let them go and we move on with our lives and we meet someone else who we give all of our love to. The whole idea that Prince spent his time pining after this woman or that, that he never moved on from this woman or that one, I don't know how anyone could wish that kind of torment and pain on Prince. And if he were to have done that, that's not love, that's obsession and that is not healthy (nor romantic).

It's like the whole Mani episode, a lot of people blame Mani for the split from Mayte because she moved in on a married man. It takes two to tangle. If Prince were not open to cheating on Mayte, then Mani wouldn't have gotten close to him. Period. He was not innocent in that scenario. And Vanity/Denise was heavy into drugs, and if you've ever been around anyone that uses drugs like that, they have very unhealthy relationships. And Mayte was young when they met and was not fully developed emotionally, nor mentally, and as we all do, we change as we grow up and discover who we want to be as an adult. Those relationships from youth tend to be very emotional, needy, dependent, until we gain the maturity of handling a real relationship and it becomes more refined. None of the relationships Prince had were perfect. Each of them had their issues and Prince wasn't innocent. But people want to romanticize the women that Prince dated, married, had sex with. Prince was someone, when he moved on, he moved on. Too bad his fans couldn't.

benni said:

anangellooksdown said:

benni said:

I think there needs to be another forum: Prince and the Women He Loved

Leave Associated artists & people as "ex-bandmembers, ex-employees, people he collaborated with" instead of "ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."

It is hard to come to this forum to look for information on band members when the number of threads discussing Prince's love life, who Prince loved more, which woman was The One, etc., seems to be the majority of threads over here.

Much of what is talked about in each of the threads involving the exes are the same pictures, the same articles, getting rehashed in each thread as proof to show this is who he loved more.

Personally, I think each of the women brought something to Prince and made him happy while they were together, and none of them were the LOVE of his life. I think they all were loved deeply at various times. I think he continued to care for all of them after the relationships ended, in the same way that we tend to care for those that we were involved with, after the relationships ended. At first, there may be some anger, confusion, and hurt feelings, but as time goes on, those feelings eventually mellow out and we tend to remember the better times more than we do the bad. We don't spend our lives (or at least I hope no one does, because that would be a very painful existence) lamenting the loss of the one that got away and pining after them for the rest of our lives. We may think of them from time to time, but we let them go and we move on with our lives and we meet someone else who we give all of our love to. The whole idea that Prince spent his time pining after this woman or that, that he never moved on from this woman or that one, I don't know how anyone could wish that kind of torment and pain on Prince. And if he were to have done that, that's not love, that's obsession and that is not healthy (nor romantic).

It's like the whole Mani episode, a lot of people blame Mani for the split from Mayte because she moved in on a married man. It takes two to tangle. If Prince were not open to cheating on Mayte, then Mani wouldn't have gotten close to him. Period. He was not innocent in that scenario. And Vanity/Denise was heavy into drugs, and if you've ever been around anyone that uses drugs like that, they have very unhealthy relationships. And Mayte was young when they met and was not fully developed emotionally, nor mentally, and as we all do, we change as we grow up and discover who we want to be as an adult. Those relationships from youth tend to be very emotional, needy, dependent, until we gain the maturity of handling a real relationship and it becomes more refined. None of the relationships Prince had were perfect. Each of them had their issues and Prince wasn't innocent. But people want to romanticize the women that Prince dated, married, had sex with. Prince was someone, when he moved on, he moved on. Too bad his fans couldn't.

Good post, Benni. Prince was also not a fool. He was old school and a businessman and far from naive. He did love women, but I think when it came right down to it he did the mature thing. He did meet with Mayte and sat down and talked at one point she says. We don’t know what was said but it’s possible he was trying to make amends. With Mani, I have heard she REALLY took him to the bank and not everything has been disclosed and she took him for millions and she and Eric both stalked Prince for years for money, and Prince basically paid them off to get them out of his atmosphere, and he let her file for divorce so he could remain in good standing with the JW elders. But the marriage was basically over in 2004 and once he knew what she was like he made things so hard for her she would have to file, like locking her out of the house then bulldozing it, and taking her immigration papers and locking them in the vault st PO and leaving her basically nowhere to go. Maybe that’s why she had the apt rented in Minnie. Yes this is just hearsay but ive heard it from a few sources who were very close to P or someone he was very close to. I think Manuela is SCARILY cunning. I think he moved on from both wives but not the losses from his first marriage as easily. We carry those things with us. That’s why Prince stayed in the moment. [Edited 5/11/18 2:09am]

No, Prince wasn't a fool. And I agree. The loss of his son is something that would always stay with Prince. Miscarriages, while traumatic, tend to be something we minimize over time. I've had 4 miscarriages, and those losses hurt at the time, but I never had the opportunity to emotionally attach to the pregnancy as they were early in the pregnancy. I had that moment of love for the life I was carrying, and then it was gone. For women, we tend to get more emotionally attached when we learn we are pregnant because we feel the effects (morning sickness, hormones), but for men, it's harder to get attached earlier in the pregnancy until they start to see the woman's belly changing shape, feeling the baby move, etc. For them, it's an idea at the beginning, one that they love and get excited about, but that emotional attachment isn't quite there yet.

As for the rumors about Mani, how do those rumors impact our life? How do they change our life? I have no love for, nor dislike for her, because ultimately, she had no impact on my life. I cared about and loved Prince, as an artist, as someone who had an impact on my life. He brought people into my life, new experiences into my life, and his music helped to shape some of my ideas and beliefs. But ultimately, what Mani did or didn't do, has nothing to do with me or the relationship I had with Prince as a fan. Neither did Vanity, nor Mayte, nor Susannah, nor Andy, nor Jill, nor Judith, nor ... and the list goes on. And keep in mind, that people's opinions about what transpired between two individuals are based upon their own perceptions of what occurred. Those perceptions are based upon their relationships with the people involved. If they were close to Prince, and didn't like Mani or were jealous of Mani, then their perception of what occured between Prince and Mani would be based upon that, and the stories they tell would be painted by their love for Prince and dislike of Mani. The only two people that truly know what transpired, fully, are Prince and Mani. And ultimately, their relationship has no impact on me, my life, or my experience of Prince or life experiences, period. Since it has no impact on me, doesn't change my life in any way, why give it energy?

None of them, not Denise, not Mayte, not Mani, not Sheila, not Jill, not Andy, not ... are innocent in their relationships with Prince. Each of them did things that caused those relationships to end, or his feelings to change. But, Prince isn't innocent either. He played many of them, dating them at the same time, leading them on, and he also did things that caused those relationships to end. We all bring our best and our worst to our relationships. Relationships are two way streets, and both people are either committed to that relationship, or that relationship will falter and eventually fail.

Rumors and innuendos are just that. But do they contribute to your life in any way? And if they don't, why give them that kind of energy?

anangellooksdown said:

Every lie in our universe affects us. Every person who portrays a picture of themselves as being a social advocate while really playing every angle possible to further self makes our society sicker. I tend to be a realist. Denial does not work for me. This is not people’s perspectives born of jealousy; this is what Prince apparently told a person he was very close to. I don’t know exactly where the other person I heard it from got their information except it matches, and that person was close to someone P was close to. I wasn’t there so I can’t verify these things, but it sure does fit with every single thing we know. [Edited 5/11/18 2:40am]

Have you considered that the things that affect the universe, affect it because we give it energy? And I'm talking about such things as rumors about individuals, situations we are told about. For instance, no one would know (and therefore would not be affected by) the rumors that you've shared, if they were not made aware of that situation. It's when we eat from the Tree of Knowledge (shared information) that it brought about mankind's downfall. If we give wings to rumors and heresay, we are spreading the negative energy of that knowledge (information), and thereby changing the vibration of all those that hear that knowledge.

For instance, before you were "told" these things, before you learned of these things, was this something affecting your life? Was it affecting the world around you? If it was, how so? Or, did you change upon hearing these things? Did your worldview change once you were told these things? Did it have an impact upon you after you learned it?

And for me, it's not denial. It's about choosing what I give my energy to, and what energy I allow into my life. I can allow negative energy of rumors and innuendo and heresay into my life and let it change my vibrational flow, or I can go higher and not surround myself with that type of energy.

benni said:

I think it´s perfectly normal that there are dozens of Andy Allo, Mayte, Vanity, Mani, Jill Jones and countless other threads dedicated to those women because they all played an important part in Prince´s life and it´s understandable that there will always be fans who prefer person A over person B or C.

This is a Prince fan message board after all and where else if not here are you going to find threads dedicated to those women?

Doesn´t bother me at all as long as those threads are here in the associated artists forum and not in the Prince:Music and More forum. Nobody is forcing me to read them all.

I´d be more worried about unhappy orgers leaving the org after years and years on the org instead of worrying about the umpteenth Andy Allo, Mayte or Vanity thread.

It´s mostly grown folks in this forum so I don´t really understand why there needs to be so much censorship and banning people left and right.

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

I actually think it's because there are like 7 threads on AA, where it could be combined in 1. I don't think we need 7 different threads about a person. There are also numerous threads on Mayte and Natalya, when there only need to be 1.

anangellooksdown said:

Exactly. *Crickets* See, this “new age” stuff feels good for a few minutes, but it doesn’t last unless we know ourselves first (have insight). Don’t mess with the big guns.

LOL - Sorry. I had went back to bed.

I'm not trying to control you, angel. I'm just stating my opinion. You are free to do what you want to do, which you always will be free to do it.

You replied to me, I replied to you, you replied, I replied. You said that every lie in the world affects the universe. I said, the way it effects the universe is through us and our vibrations and whether we share it or not. You see? Dialogue.

KoolEaze said:

I think it´s perfectly normal that there are dozens of Andy Allo, Mayte, Vanity, Mani, Jill Jones and countless other threads dedicated to those women because they all played an important part in Prince´s life and it´s understandable that there will always be fans who prefer person A over person B or C.

This is a Prince fan message board after all and where else if not here are you going to find threads dedicated to those women?

Doesn´t bother me at all as long as those threads are here in the associated artists forum and not in the Prince:Music and More forum. Nobody is forcing me to read them all.

I´d be more worried about unhappy orgers leaving the org after years and years on the org instead of worrying about the umpteenth Andy Allo, Mayte or Vanity thread.

It´s mostly grown folks in this forum so I don´t really understand why there needs to be so much censorship and banning people left and right.

Yeah, I don't get the censorship and banning thing either. The forum has slowed down even from 1 year ago.

benni said:

anangellooksdown said:

Exactly. *Crickets* See, this “new age” stuff feels good for a few minutes, but it doesn’t last unless we know ourselves first (have insight). Don’t mess with the big guns.

And, btw, I *DO* know myself, better than anyone. I have been self-reflective and self-study for much longer than most people think about doing it. And what big gun? I'm not messing with anything or anyone. I'm sharing my opinion.

Does not having someone agree with you, bother you that much? That you become defensive and feel the need to try to put them in their place? Why?

As I said previously, you are free to take into yourself what you wish to (whether it be rumor, heresay, lies) I just don't choose to give it energy. My energy is best spent on myself, my children, the path I am walking. I won't engage in bashing his exes. Women get that enough from society and these women get that enough from other Prince fans.

As Prince said:


In the name of democracy, supreme power is vested unto the people in this insane state instead of God
A future re-created, to be ruled by man, is one of isolation and despair
Returning the leadership back into God will allow mankind to achieve its original collective goal
Which is union with God
Ideas contrary to this goal should not be blamed or persecuted - just simply ignored
They originated when man first chose to ignore God's rule
Simply put - in the beginning, the Human was made perfect in God's image
They had no need for knowledge
They were also given freedom of choice
The Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life are reflections of this freedom
The human is now a reflection of their choice
They could have simply chose not to choose


So, you choose what you put your energy on, I choose what I put my energy on/not on. No control, no taking away your choice (I don't have that power). We continue to share ideas and thoughts from our own perspective. And everyone lives happily ever after.

KoolEaze said:

I think it´s perfectly normal that there are dozens of Andy Allo, Mayte, Vanity, Mani, Jill Jones and countless other threads dedicated to those women because they all played an important part in Prince´s life and it´s understandable that there will always be fans who prefer person A over person B or C.

This is a Prince fan message board after all and where else if not here are you going to find threads dedicated to those women?

Doesn´t bother me at all as long as those threads are here in the associated artists forum and not in the Prince:Music and More forum. Nobody is forcing me to read them all.

I´d be more worried about unhappy orgers leaving the org after years and years on the org instead of worrying about the umpteenth Andy Allo, Mayte or Vanity thread.

It´s mostly grown folks in this forum so I don´t really understand why there needs to be so much censorship and banning people left and right.

Exactly!!! Thank you!!!

Plus, I think the biggest problem here at Prince.org is a lack of mutual respect...and bullying. And, the moderators need to make that...not censorship...their focus. That is, things like name calling, personal attacks, profanity, stalking, and other forms of harassment should not be tolerated. Period.

Some Orgers think that it's their way or the highway. These people are unable to accept that everyone has their own mind and don't seem to understand the concept of agreeing to disagree; however, they should not be allowed to repeatedly derail/disrupt threads about subjects they find unappealing or opposite their way of thinking. Ultimately, I think if civility becomes commonplace here, Prince.org will be a much better place, worthy of being associated with the name Prince Rogers Nelson.

Asenath said:

anangellooksdown said:

benni said:

LOL - Sorry. I had went back to bed.

I'm not trying to control you, angel. I'm just stating my opinion. You are free to do what you want to do, which you always will be free to do it.

You replied to me, I replied to you, you replied, I replied. You said that every lie in the world affects the universe. I said, the way it effects the universe is through us and our vibrations and whether we share it or not. You see? Dialogue.

No, I stated something that is not really new or different on the Org, and you preached a long commentary to me, lol, about how I should think, feel and speak. That felt like control to me. NOW we are having a dialogue.

I asked if you had considered it....you know a question. I didn't preach at you. I never once told you how you should think, feel, or speak. I asked you questions, how did not knowing this have an impact on your life prior to you finding out? Did it have an impact on your life after you found it? I was asking those questions to show that it is the energy we give it that has an effect and if we spread it, that effect grows. But I never once said, you should think this way, you should feel this way, or you should speak this way. In fact, I said FOR ME, I choose to not give my energy to that. You will do what you want to do. And that is perfectly fine.

benni said:

rogifan said:

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

It’s not about censoring anything. It’s about not having umpteen different threads about the same person. In the Music & More section threads get locked up and re-directed to existing threads all the time. Why should it be different here?

Personally, I think all the thread locking and redirecting on this site is counterproductive. I've never seen anything like it.

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

THIS.

rogifan said:

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

It’s not about censoring anything. It’s about not having umpteen different threads about the same person. In the Music & More section threads get locked up and re-directed to existing threads all the time. Why should it be different here?

I know I have posted things in PM&M and have had them locked and redirected to the appropriate thread. But I do think they need two separate boards from bandmembers, associates, collaborators vs ex-girlfriends. The ex-girlfriends get a lot of attention and people have a lot of opinions about them. If they have their own board, then this one can strictly focus on the music/interviews/concerts by associates.

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

I actually think it's because there are like 7 threads on AA, where it could be combined in 1. I don't think we need 7 different threads about a person. There are also numerous threads on Mayte and Natalya, when there only need to be 1.

Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers.

FlyOnTheWall said:

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers.

Right. That’s dominating the forum. No matter who begins them, certain people parlay off them and keep them at the top of the forum 24/7.

Why does it matter what is at the top of the forum? That is the mindset that is fueling the present toxicity here on Prince.org.

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

I actually think it's because there are like 7 threads on AA, where it could be combined in 1. I don't think we need 7 different threads about a person. There are also numerous threads on Mayte and Natalya, when there only need to be 1.

Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers.

I believe that OF4S proposed the idea of an update thread in one of Latin's threads about Andy just to keep it neat and all in one place.I think it makes sense to have one thread for each associate or artist or at least an update thread for them to combine news on projects,new photos and interviews etc. I don't see anything wrong with dedicating a thread to a certain project,song or album as some have been doing.

FlyOnTheWall said:

But by that token: What does it matter if the conversations around certain individual associates are consolidated into one thread per associate? Wouldn't that make it easier for the people who are interested in discussing that person to find each other/follow the conversation, and easier for people who aren't interested to skip past it (similar to the one Death Talk sticky on the PM&M page)?

FlyOnTheWall said:

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said: Right. That’s dominating the forum. No matter who begins them, certain people parlay off them and keep them at the top of the forum 24/7.

Why does it matter what is at the top of the forum? That is the mindset that is fueling the present toxicity here on Prince.org.

[Edited 5/11/18 7:31am]

disch said:

But by that token: What does it matter if the conversations around certain individual associates are consolidated into one thread per associate? Wouldn't that make it easier for the people who are interested in discussing that person to find each other/follow the conversation, and easier for people who aren't interested to skip past it (similar to the one Death Talk sticky on the PM&M page)?

FlyOnTheWall said:

Why does it matter what is at the top of the forum? That is the mindset that is fueling the present toxicity here on Prince.org.

[Edited 5/11/18 7:31am]

In fact, it's just the opposite. Trying to navigate those LONG sticky threads, often with dozens of pages, is very time-consuming. For that very reason, I seldom frequent the "Death" and "Estate" stickies. It is much easier, IMHO, to follow more narrowly focused threads.

But the multple girlfriend threads AREN'T "narrowly focused." Take a look at the last posts in those threads and see if they have anything to do with the stated thread title.

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If they each had a specific, truly distinct topic designated in the subject (a new music release, say, or an evaluation of an older release) and that's what people actually discussed that would be one thing, I think. And if they then allowed the conversation about that topic to run its natural course and the thread died, as all threads do, then, in my opinion, that would be fine.

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But threads that start or end pup about what Prince "truly felt" about this woman vs that woman, who was his "soul mate" or "last confirmed girlfriend" or whatever -- i.e., that focus on the personal/romantic relationship between Prince and whatever person? Yeah, those discussions should be consolidated and set in a place where people can find (or avoid) them very easily.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

But by that token: What does it matter if the conversations around certain individual associates are consolidated into one thread per associate? Wouldn't that make it easier for the people who are interested in discussing that person to find each other/follow the conversation, and easier for people who aren't interested to skip past it (similar to the one Death Talk sticky on the PM&M page)?

[Edited 5/11/18 7:31am]

In fact, it's just the opposite. Trying to navigate those LONG sticky threads, often with dozens of pages, is very time-consuming. For that very reason, I seldom frequent the "Death" and "Estate" stickies. It is much easier, IMHO, to follow more narrowly focused threads.

[Edited 5/11/18 7:54am]

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

But by that token: What does it matter if the conversations around certain individual associates are consolidated into one thread per associate? Wouldn't that make it easier for the people who are interested in discussing that person to find each other/follow the conversation, and easier for people who aren't interested to skip past it (similar to the one Death Talk sticky on the PM&M page)?

[Edited 5/11/18 7:31am]

In fact, it's just the opposite. Trying to navigate those LONG sticky threads, often with dozens of pages, is very time-consuming. For that very reason, I seldom frequent the "Death" and "Estate" stickies. It is much easier, IMHO, to follow more narrowly focused threads.

I do think having a different thread for each new project and interview gets a bit confusing. I think those things could be combined into one thread.

disch said:

But the multple girlfriend threads AREN'T "narrowly focused." Take a look at the last posts in those threads and see if they have anything to do with the stated thread title.

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If they each had a specific, truly distinct topic designated in the subject (a new music release, say, or an evaluation of an older release) and that's what people actually discussed that would be one thing, I think. And if they then allowed the conversation about that topic to run its natural course and the thread died, as all threads do, then, in my opinion, that would be fine.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

In fact, it's just the opposite. Trying to navigate those LONG sticky threads, often with dozens of pages, is very time-consuming. For that very reason, I seldom frequent the "Death" and "Estate" stickies. It is much easier, IMHO, to follow more narrowly focused threads.

Just as in actual human interaction, threads will sometimes slightly deviate from the main topic. I don't see any harm in that. Now, it's different when certain Orgers target threads and deliberately set out to derail them by flame-throwing and making them so vulgar and profane that they turn-off other potential readers.

I'm talking about, for instance, like during an interview: the interviewer goes in with a set of "grand tour" questions, but during the course of the conversation, based on what the interviewee says, follow-up questions will naturally pop up. Like the interviewer, nobody, in real life, halts conversations because they are non-linear. Can you imagine what might be missed if we are constantly policing interpersonal discussions instead of actually engaging each other...and allowing the discussion to take its natural course? What I'm saying is this: Human interaction, at its richest, is curvilinear...and free.

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

In fact, it's just the opposite. Trying to navigate those LONG sticky threads, often with dozens of pages, is very time-consuming. For that very reason, I seldom frequent the "Death" and "Estate" stickies. It is much easier, IMHO, to follow more narrowly focused threads.

I do think having a different thread for each new project and interview gets a bit confusing. I think those things could be combined into one thread.

I agree. I'm not one to do that. What I'm saying is that, IMHO, the LONG sticky threads are prohibitive, to participation for busy people.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I do think having a different thread for each new project and interview gets a bit confusing. I think those things could be combined into one thread.

I agree. I'm not one to do that. What I'm saying is that, IMHO, the LONG sticky threads are prohibitive, to participation for busy people.

They are hard to keep up with,I agree. I also think having only one thread to discuss all topics concerning each associate could get a bit confusing as well.

The whole purpoose of threads with specific topics is to segment discussions so people can earily locate and partipate in the topics that interest them. These threads don't deviate sligthly; they go off into unrelated tangents.

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If someone wants to have an open-ended, boundary-free conversation about a particular girlfriend, then one designated thread called "All About <whoever>" seems an appropriate solution. Or perhaps make one designated thread that's titled "Personal Relationship Between Prince and <Whoever>" and people can talk there about soul-mate status and what-not, and other threads can focus specifically that associate's professional work or life outside of Prince.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

But the multple girlfriend threads AREN'T "narrowly focused." Take a look at the last posts in those threads and see if they have anything to do with the stated thread title.

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If they each had a specific, truly distinct topic designated in the subject (a new music release, say, or an evaluation of an older release) and that's what people actually discussed that would be one thing, I think. And if they then allowed the conversation about that topic to run its natural course and the thread died, as all threads do, then, in my opinion, that would be fine.

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Just as in actual human interaction, threads will sometimes slightly deviate from the main topic. I don't see any harm in that. Now, it's different when certain Orgers target threads and deliberately set out to derail them by flame-throwing and making them so vulgar and profane that they turn-off other potential readers.

I'm talking about, for instance, like during an interview: the interviewer goes in with a set of "grand tour" questions, but during the course of the conversation, based on what the interviewee says, follow-up questions will naturally pop up. Like the interviewer, nobody, in real life, halts conversations because they are non-linear. Can you imagine what might be missed if we are constantly policing interpersonal discussions instead of actually engaging each other...and allowing the discussion to take its natural course? What I'm saying is this: Human interaction, at its richest, is curvilinear...and free.

disch said:

The whole purpoose of threads with specific topics is to segment discussions so people can earily locate and partipate in the topics that interest them. These threads don't deviate sligthly; they go off into unrelated tangents.

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If someone wants to have an open-ended, boundary-free conversation about a particular girlfriend, then one designated thread called "All About <whoever>" seems an appropriate solution. Or perhaps make one designated thread that's titled "Personal Relationship Between Prince and <Whoever>" and people can talk there about soul-mate status and what-not, and other threads can focus specifically that associate's professional work or life outside of Prince.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Just as in actual human interaction, threads will sometimes slightly deviate from the main topic. I don't see any harm in that. Now, it's different when certain Orgers target threads and deliberately set out to derail them by flame-throwing and making them so vulgar and profane that they turn-off other potential readers.

I'm talking about, for instance, like during an interview: the interviewer goes in with a set of "grand tour" questions, but during the course of the conversation, based on what the interviewee says, follow-up questions will naturally pop up. Like the interviewer, nobody, in real life, halts conversations because they are non-linear. Can you imagine what might be missed if we are constantly policing interpersonal discussions instead of actually engaging each other...and allowing the discussion to take its natural course? What I'm saying is this: Human interaction, at its richest, is curvilinear...and free.

I think having having a thread dedicated to the discussion of the professional relationship and one for the personal is a great idea.

disch said:

The whole purpoose of threads with specific topics is to segment discussions so people can earily locate and partipate in the topics that interest them. These threads don't deviate sligthly; they go off into unrelated tangents.

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If someone wants to have an open-ended, boundary-free conversation about a particular girlfriend, then one designated thread called "All About <whoever>" seems an appropriate solution. Or perhaps make one designated thread that's titled "Personal Relationship Between Prince and <Whoever>" and people can talk there about soul-mate status and what-not, and other threads can focus specifically that associate's professional work or life outside of Prince.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Just as in actual human interaction, threads will sometimes slightly deviate from the main topic. I don't see any harm in that. Now, it's different when certain Orgers target threads and deliberately set out to derail them by flame-throwing and making them so vulgar and profane that they turn-off other potential readers.

I'm talking about, for instance, like during an interview: the interviewer goes in with a set of "grand tour" questions, but during the course of the conversation, based on what the interviewee says, follow-up questions will naturally pop up. Like the interviewer, nobody, in real life, halts conversations because they are non-linear. Can you imagine what might be missed if we are constantly policing interpersonal discussions instead of actually engaging each other...and allowing the discussion to take its natural course? What I'm saying is this: Human interaction, at its richest, is curvilinear...and free.

I challenge you to point to ONE thread of multiple pages that discusses ONLY the title topic.

benni said:

I think there needs to be another forum: Prince and the Women He Loved

Leave Associated artists & people as "ex-bandmembers, ex-employees, people he collaborated with" instead of "ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."

It is hard to come to this forum to look for information on band members when the number of threads discussing Prince's love life, who Prince loved more, which woman was The One, etc., seems to be the majority of threads over here.

Much of what is talked about in each of the threads involving the exes are the same pictures, the same articles, getting rehashed in each thread as proof to show this is who he loved more.

Personally, I think each of the women brought something to Prince and made him happy while they were together, and none of them were the LOVE of his life. I think they all were loved deeply at various times. I think he continued to care for all of them after the relationships ended, in the same way that we tend to care for those that we were involved with, after the relationships ended. At first, there may be some anger, confusion, and hurt feelings, but as time goes on, those feelings eventually mellow out and we tend to remember the better times more than we do the bad. We don't spend our lives (or at least I hope no one does, because that would be a very painful existence) lamenting the loss of the one that got away and pining after them for the rest of our lives. We may think of them from time to time, but we let them go and we move on with our lives and we meet someone else who we give all of our love to. The whole idea that Prince spent his time pining after this woman or that, that he never moved on from this woman or that one, I don't know how anyone could wish that kind of torment and pain on Prince. And if he were to have done that, that's not love, that's obsession and that is not healthy (nor romantic).

It's like the whole Mani episode, a lot of people blame Mani for the split from Mayte because she moved in on a married man. It takes two to tangle. If Prince were not open to cheating on Mayte, then Mani wouldn't have gotten close to him. Period. He was not innocent in that scenario. And Vanity/Denise was heavy into drugs, and if you've ever been around anyone that uses drugs like that, they have very unhealthy relationships. And Mayte was young when they met and was not fully developed emotionally, nor mentally, and as we all do, we change as we grow up and discover who we want to be as an adult. Those relationships from youth tend to be very emotional, needy, dependent, until we gain the maturity of handling a real relationship and it becomes more refined. None of the relationships Prince had were perfect. Each of them had their issues and Prince wasn't innocent. But people want to romanticize the women that Prince dated, married, had sex with. Prince was someone, when he moved on, he moved on. Too bad his fans couldn't.

The reality is this: Prince is no longer with us, and, with few exceptions, the vast majority of the threads are retrospective. Meaning, if Prince.org is to continue its existence, there are bound to be repeat posts of articles and photos. What is the harm in that?

I think as long as the moderators have time to enforce such threads and keep them on track (something tells me the the "professional" thread would soon be bickering about soul-mate hierarchies as people insist that there are coded messages in the professional work and what not).

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The moderators probably don't have time to police all this so I can see that they would just create one thread about someone and call it a day.

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Look, the current professional lives of most associates don't lend themselves to robust conversation that lots of people will engage in. These are more, shall we say, niche topics that will appeal only to a couple orgers at this point.

pinkcashmere23 said:

disch said:

The whole purpoose of threads with specific topics is to segment discussions so people can earily locate and partipate in the topics that interest them. These threads don't deviate sligthly; they go off into unrelated tangents.

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If someone wants to have an open-ended, boundary-free conversation about a particular girlfriend, then one designated thread called "All About <whoever>" seems an appropriate solution. Or perhaps make one designated thread that's titled "Personal Relationship Between Prince and <Whoever>" and people can talk there about soul-mate status and what-not, and other threads can focus specifically that associate's professional work or life outside of Prince.

I think having having a thread dedicated to the discussion of the professional relationship and one for the personal is a great idea.

disch said:

I think as long as the moderators have time to enforce such threads and keep them on track (something tells me the the "professional" thread would soon be bickering about soul-mate hierarchies as people insist that there are coded messages in the professional work and what not).

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The moderators probably don't have time to police all this so I can see that they would just create one thread about someone and call it a day.

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Look, the current professional lives of most associates don't lend themselves to robust conversation that lots of people will engage in. These are more, shall we say, niche topics that will appeal only to a couple orgers at this point.

pinkcashmere23 said:

I think having having a thread dedicated to the discussion of the professional relationship and one for the personal is a great idea.

True.Some of the music was also written with certain people in mind so talk about those songs could veer into discussion of personal lives.

benni said:

I think there needs to be another forum: Prince and the Women He Loved

Leave Associated artists & people as "ex-bandmembers, ex-employees, people he collaborated with" instead of "ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."

A whole separate subforum. Because we all know that one thread per woman will never work. New people will come in and start brand new threads and so will those looking to troll the org.

A whole separate subforum where the stans can battle it out with each other

[Edited 5/11/18 9:29am]

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

I actually think it's because there are like 7 threads on AA, where it could be combined in 1. I don't think we need 7 different threads about a person. There are also numerous threads on Mayte and Natalya, when there only need to be 1.

Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers.

?? Who said you started them??

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers.

?? Who said you started them??

Excuse me, Penny, but what are you talking about? Where did I say that someone said that I started all of the multiple AA threads? I simply stated that they were started by multiple Orgers. Does that meet with your approval?

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

?? Who said you started them??

Excuse me, Penny, but what are you talking about? Where did I say that someone said that I started all of the multiple AA threads? I simply stated that they were started by multiple Orgers. Does that meet with your approval?

You were acting like you were accused of starting 7 AA threads. That's why I asked, 'who said you started them'?

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Excuse me, Penny, but what are you talking about? Where did I say that someone said that I started all of the multiple AA threads? I simply stated that they were started by multiple Orgers. Does that meet with your approval?

You were acting like you were accused of starting 7 AA threads. That's why I asked, 'who said you started them'?

See, this is an example of the personal attacks I mentioned earlier. People do far too much of this on the Org. I think we need to be careful to read exactly what people write...and not project what we think they are really saying. Good grief. Please lay off me, Penny.

Who's Andy Allo? Never heard of her.

Sorry, (not sorry), couldn't resist.

I'm out of here, as you were,

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

You were acting like you were accused of starting 7 AA threads. That's why I asked, 'who said you started them'?

See, this is an example of the personal attacks I mentioned earlier. People do far too much of this on the Org. I think we need to be careful to read exactly what people write...and not project what we think they are really saying. Good grief. Please lay off me, Penny.

Huh? That's an attack? ROTFL

I tell you what Fly, don't respond to me and I won't respond to you.

I can't believe you seriously thought that was an attack.

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

See, this is an example of the personal attacks I mentioned earlier. People do far too much of this on the Org. I think we need to be careful to read exactly what people write...and not project what we think they are really saying. Good grief. Please lay off me, Penny.

Huh? That's an attack? ROTFL

I tell you what Fly, don't respond to me and I won't respond to you.

I can't believe you seriously thought that was an attack.

Taken alone, perhaps not, Penny...but, it's cumulative over the past few days. In the past, we have had amicable interactions here. I hope we can soon return to that. Peace.

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InThisBedIDream said:

Who's Andy Allo? Never heard of her.

She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend.

FlyOnTheWall said:

InThisBedIDream said:

Who's Andy Allo? Never heard of her.

She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend.

Well, you learn something new everyday.

Thanks for clearing that up, I'd never have known,

InThisBedIDream said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend.

Well, you learn something new everyday.

Thanks for clearing that up, I'd never have known,

No problem. Glad to help!!

Women have more emotions than Men do, and women tend to be more expressive about their feelings than most men, so everytime one of Prince's ex GF or wives are mentioned, all hell breaks loose! We all have a difference of opinion regarding all of Prince's women and we are passionate about how we feel. We are entitled to our opinions, but it's when we start attacking each other, and muddying the waters, so-to-speak, that we get off-topic and then things just go from bad to worse.

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Prince had exe's, and that was for good reason!

cloveringold85 said:

Women have more emotions than Men do, and women tend to be more expressive about their feelings than most men, so everytime one of Prince's ex GF or wives are mentioned, all hell breaks loose! We all have a difference of opinion regarding all of Prince's women and we are passionate about how we feel. We are entitled to our opinions, but it's when we start attacking each other, and muddying the waters, so-to-speak, that we get off-topic and then things just go from bad to worse.

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Prince had exe's, and that was for good reason!

I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests. Without such a seriously enforced policy, certain Orgers know that they have a pass to target and cause mayhem on any thread they don't like.

And, without such consistent enforcement, limiting the number of threads about certain Prince love interests will not make one bit of difference. At all. Nothing will change. The band of disruptive Orgers will just do the same hateful things, only on super-long threads...which will still end up being removed/erased...which actually rewards the trouble-makers. It is a vicious, nonsensical cycle. And, it is taking a real toll on the credibility of Prince.org.

FlyOnTheWall said:

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests. Without such a seriously enforced policy, certain Orgers know that they have a pass to target and cause mayhem on any thread they don't like.

And, without such consistent enforcement, limiting the number of threads about certain Prince love interests will not make one bit of difference. At all. Nothing will change. The band of disruptive Orgers will just do the same hateful things, only on super-long threads...which will still end up being removed/erased...which actually rewards the trouble-makers. It is a vicious, nonsensical cycle. And, it is taking a real toll on the credibility of Prince.org.

HUH? R U kidding us? This thread most likely has to do more than anything with your obsessive, dominating posting and behavior, including really really hurting people for 2 years now, like REALLY affecting people with what looks like basically a sociopathic type of bullying and unkindness. And now you think you’re the Police? And you’re going to twist things to keep them to your satisfaction? I mean, how dumb do you think we are, Fly?

^^^^^I give you, Exhibit A. I rest my case.^^^^^

[Edited 5/11/18 14:58pm]

FlyOnTheWall said:

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

^^^^^I give you, Exhibit A. I rest my case.^^^^^

[Edited 5/11/18 14:58pm]

Lets be clear about something. There’s a difference between doing that to people and speaking out about it. Your remark was narcissistic. I rest my case.

Ok.

FlyOnTheWall said:

InThisBedIDream said:

Who's Andy Allo? Never heard of her.

She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend.

No she isn't

petalthecat said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend.

No she isn't

Okay. Then, who is?

FlyOnTheWall said:

petalthecat said:

No she isn't

Okay. Then, who is?

Lala's latest FB post is very suggestive. I wonder about her sometimes.The writer of Prince's article in Mojo magazine also said that he was with a beautiful Latina during the interview.I'm not sure she was an official girlfriend but I think they may have dated at one time.

[Edited 5/11/18 18:06pm]

FlyOnTheWall said:

cloveringold85 said:

Women have more emotions than Men do, and women tend to be more expressive about their feelings than most men, so everytime one of Prince's ex GF or wives are mentioned, all hell breaks loose! We all have a difference of opinion regarding all of Prince's women and we are passionate about how we feel. We are entitled to our opinions, but it's when we start attacking each other, and muddying the waters, so-to-speak, that we get off-topic and then things just go from bad to worse.

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Prince had exe's, and that was for good reason!

I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests. Without such a seriously enforced policy, certain Orgers know that they have a pass to target and cause mayhem on any thread they don't like.

And, without such consistent enforcement, limiting the number of threads about certain Prince love interests will not make one bit of difference. At all. Nothing will change. The band of disruptive Orgers will just do the same hateful things, only on super-long threads...which will still end up being removed/erased...which actually rewards the trouble-makers. It is a vicious, nonsensical cycle. And, it is taking a real toll on the credibility of Prince.org.

How about thread hogging & hijacking by one person with multiple IDs all replying to each other on the same topic ad nauseum? Can we have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy on that too?

poppys said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests. Without such a seriously enforced policy, certain Orgers know that they have a pass to target and cause mayhem on any thread they don't like.

And, without such consistent enforcement, limiting the number of threads about certain Prince love interests will not make one bit of difference. At all. Nothing will change. The band of disruptive Orgers will just do the same hateful things, only on super-long threads...which will still end up being removed/erased...which actually rewards the trouble-makers. It is a vicious, nonsensical cycle. And, it is taking a real toll on the credibility of Prince.org.

How about thread hogging & hijacking by one person with multiple IDs all replying to each other on the same topic ad nauseum? Can we have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy on that too?

I absolutely agree: Prince.org definitely needs to crack down on people with multiple screen names who habitually manufacture a crowd to target and disrupt threads they don't like. I almost mentioned this Org phenomenon earlier, but that seems to really set some people off, causing them to threaten to "report" me to the moderators. Thanks for bringing that to the table, poppys!!

FlyOnTheWall said:

petalthecat said:

No she isn't

Okay. Then, who is?

For starters, Prince and Andy or anyone close and reputable has never confirmed her being a girlfriend. Lots of people still believe that there was some serious publicity going on there, i happen to believe that there was a relationship. Or a dalliance, shall we say..it ended abruptly and they both moved on. From 2010 onwards (post Bria) P definitely surrounded himself with lots of female companions. We know of a few, Lala, Andy, that Swedish singer (forgotten her name!), Delilah, Natalya, Tamron, Damaris, Judith and maybe some we don't know of. I'm not saying all of these were intimate relationships but i have absolutely no reason to disbelieve Judith when she has stated she was his girlfriend for the last 2 years of his life. Even though you try your best to discredit her because it doesn't fit your agenda of him pining away and "reaching out" to Andy!

petalthecat said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Okay. Then, who is?

For starters, Prince and Andy or anyone close and reputable has never confirmed her being a girlfriend. Lots of people still believe that there was some serious publicity going on there, i happen to believe that there was a relationship. Or a dalliance, shall we say..it ended abruptly and they both moved on. From 2010 onwards (post Bria) P definitely surrounded himself with lots of female companions. We know of a few, Lala, Andy, that Swedish singer (forgotten her name!), Delilah, Natalya, Tamron, Damaris, Judith and maybe some we don't know of. I'm not saying all of these were intimate relationships but i have absolutely no reason to disbelieve Judith when she has stated she was his girlfriend for the last 2 years of his life. Even though you try your best to discredit her because it doesn't fit your agenda of him pining away and "reaching out" to Andy!

The Swedish singer is Snoh Aalegra. I wonder about her too with her traveling with him and the mention of 4 am doughnut outings.

petalthecat said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Okay. Then, who is?

For starters, Prince and Andy or anyone close and reputable has never confirmed her being a girlfriend. Lots of people still believe that there was some serious publicity going on there, i happen to believe that there was a relationship. Or a dalliance, shall we say..it ended abruptly and they both moved on. From 2010 onwards (post Bria) P definitely surrounded himself with lots of female companions. We know of a few, Lala, Andy, that Swedish singer (forgotten her name!), Delilah, Natalya, Tamron, Damaris, Judith and maybe some we don't know of. I'm not saying all of these were intimate relationships but i have absolutely no reason to disbelieve Judith when she has stated she was his girlfriend for the last 2 years of his life. Even though you try your best to discredit her because it doesn't fit your agenda of him pining away and "reaching out" to Andy!

It's true that Prince was surrounded with beautiful women; however, like you, I don't think he was intimately involved with most of them. I'm curious, though: To what end do you think Prince would stage a relationship with Andy Allo?

Also, I think Judith Hill is a beautiful woman with immense musical talent; however, I just never saw any signs of a romantic involvement between Judith and Prince. My gut just always said otherwise. And, that was before the Carver County documents were released. Therein, in case you've not heard, THREE Prince insiders, when asked by the police, said that Prince and JH were not involved: Kirk, his bodyguard Chris, and his driver Kim. Why would they put themselves on the line to lie about P and JH?

Moreover, Kiran and Damaris pitched a FIT on social media after the New York Times article reporting Judith's claims of being romantically involved with Prince. One of them even said that she should not "romanticize" the situation. Now, if you are counting, you'll note that means that FIVE Prince insiders have cast serious doubts on JH's claims. In fact, I don't know about anyone else, but IMHO, that is beyond compelling evidence.

Now...with regard to Prince and Andy's relationship being unconfirmed, I thought that ship had sailed on the Org. Not only has his longtime hairdresser Kim Berry confirmed this fact in numerous interviews, but the UK documentary, in which Andy appeared, identified her as "Prince's girlfriend." So, I'm not even going to argue with you. It is what it is. That is all. Bye, petal!!

pinkcashmere23 said:

petalthecat said:

For starters, Prince and Andy or anyone close and reputable has never confirmed her being a girlfriend. Lots of people still believe that there was some serious publicity going on there, i happen to believe that there was a relationship. Or a dalliance, shall we say..it ended abruptly and they both moved on. From 2010 onwards (post Bria) P definitely surrounded himself with lots of female companions. We know of a few, Lala, Andy, that Swedish singer (forgotten her name!), Delilah, Natalya, Tamron, Damaris, Judith and maybe some we don't know of. I'm not saying all of these were intimate relationships but i have absolutely no reason to disbelieve Judith when she has stated she was his girlfriend for the last 2 years of his life. Even though you try your best to discredit her because it doesn't fit your agenda of him pining away and "reaching out" to Andy!

The Swedish singer is Snoh Aalegra. I wonder about her too with her traveling with him and the mention of 4 am doughnut outings.

Didn't JH tell the police that, before her, Andy and Bria were his girlfriends?

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

The Swedish singer is Snoh Aalegra. I wonder about her too with her traveling with him and the mention of 4 am doughnut outings.

Didn't JH tell the police that, before her, Andy and Bria were his girlfriends?

Yes she did. I would like to have heard the audio of the interview. From the transcript she seemed very shaken up,understandably.

petalthecat said:

Yup I still have no reason to disbelieve Judith, sorry. Not based on comments from unreliable sources and people who have no idea what went on behind P's bedroom door. And Damaris' rant sounded like jealousy to me, seems he was probably playing them both. And the question remains...why would she lie about it? To further her career? In a police interview she probably thought was private? Doesn't really add up. I honestly can't see the problem you have with it. It's hilarious watching you try to downplay every other woman he was associated with. We really don't know who his relationships were with or how he felt about anyone and never will so it's pointless speculating ad nauseam

Damaris said they were not involved and I believe her.She also had a boyfriend the entire time she was working with Prince from what she said in another twitter rant. It seems that Prince had several female friends but no real serious girlfriend. Judith didn't make the relationship sound that serious.She told them they were romantically involved. Some close to him said that he was not in a relationship and that he didn't have a girlfriend at the time.It's possible he and Judith were able to keep their relationship private but they must not have interacted much around others from what was said.

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

You were acting like you were accused of starting 7 AA threads. That's why I asked, 'who said you started them'?

See, this is an example of the personal attacks I mentioned earlier. People do far too much of this on the Org. I think we need to be careful to read exactly what people write...and not project what we think they are really saying. Good grief. Please lay off me, Penny.

I have an original thought for you....quit playing the victim.

pinkcashmere23 said:

petalthecat said:

Yup I still have no reason to disbelieve Judith, sorry. Not based on comments from unreliable sources and people who have no idea what went on behind P's bedroom door. And Damaris' rant sounded like jealousy to me, seems he was probably playing them both. And the question remains...why would she lie about it? To further her career? In a police interview she probably thought was private? Doesn't really add up. I honestly can't see the problem you have with it. It's hilarious watching you try to downplay every other woman he was associated with. We really don't know who his relationships were with or how he felt about anyone and never will so it's pointless speculating ad nauseam

Damaris said they were not involved and I believe her.She also had a boyfriend the entire time she was working with Prince from what she said in another twitter rant. It seems that Prince had several female friends but no real serious girlfriend. Judith didn't make the relationship sound that serious.She told them they were romantically involved. Some close to him said that he was not in a relationship and that he didn't have a girlfriend at the time.It's possible he and Judith were able to keep their relationship private but they must not have interacted much around others from what was said.

Well I guess maybe you could be sleeping with someone and not be someone's gf and least not in the man's mind. So maybe it is a case of miscommunication. Also, I don't really know how opiates affect someone's libido. Is it realistic to think Prince had much interest in women and abusing painkillers?

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Damaris said they were not involved and I believe her.She also had a boyfriend the entire time she was working with Prince from what she said in another twitter rant. It seems that Prince had several female friends but no real serious girlfriend. Judith didn't make the relationship sound that serious.She told them they were romantically involved. Some close to him said that he was not in a relationship and that he didn't have a girlfriend at the time.It's possible he and Judith were able to keep their relationship private but they must not have interacted much around others from what was said.

Well I guess maybe you could be sleeping with someone and not be someone's gf and least not in the man's mind. So maybe it is a case of miscommunication. Also, I don't really know how opiates affect someone's libido. Is it realistic to think Prince had much interest in women and abusing painkillers?

I agree.From what Judith said in her interview with the authorities,he didn't seem to have much interest in anything.She said that he told her that everything was boring to him,even performing.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Krystalkisses said:

Well I guess maybe you could be sleeping with someone and not be someone's gf and least not in the man's mind. So maybe it is a case of miscommunication. Also, I don't really know how opiates affect someone's libido. Is it realistic to think Prince had much interest in women and abusing painkillers?

I agree.From what Judith said in her interview with the authorities,he didn't seem to have much interest in anything.She said that he told her that everything was boring to him,even performing.

That is a major symptom of depression. Losing interest in things you once loved.

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I agree.From what Judith said in her interview with the authorities,he didn't seem to have much interest in anything.She said that he told her that everything was boring to him,even performing.

That is a major symptom of depression. Losing interest in things you once loved.

I know. I just wonder how long he had been like that and if those close to him were aware of it.

petalthecat said:

Yup I still have no reason to disbelieve Judith, sorry. Not based on comments from unreliable sources and people who have no idea what went on behind P's bedroom door. And Damaris' rant sounded like jealousy to me, seems he was probably playing them both. And the question remains...why would she lie about it? To further her career? In a police interview she probably thought was private? Doesn't really add up. I honestly can't see the problem you have with it. It's hilarious watching you try to downplay every other woman he was associated with. We really don't know who his relationships were with or how he felt about anyone and never will so it's pointless speculating ad nauseam

So, his body guards and driver, who were around him virtually 24/7 are "unreliable sources"? Okay.

Plus, Damaris has said on the record that she and Prince were friends and that he was a mentor.

"Why would Judith lie?" you ask. I won't even speculate on that. Maybe she really believes what she told the police about being his girlfriend...but everyone who speaks on the record--and who was around Prince constantly and at his beck and call--seems to remember it differently. I think that is significant. I'm just saying.

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Damaris said they were not involved and I believe her.She also had a boyfriend the entire time she was working with Prince from what she said in another twitter rant. It seems that Prince had several female friends but no real serious girlfriend. Judith didn't make the relationship sound that serious.She told them they were romantically involved. Some close to him said that he was not in a relationship and that he didn't have a girlfriend at the time.It's possible he and Judith were able to keep their relationship private but they must not have interacted much around others from what was said.

Well I guess maybe you could be sleeping with someone and not be someone's gf and least not in the man's mind. So maybe it is a case of miscommunication. Also, I don't really know how opiates affect someone's libido. Is it realistic to think Prince had much interest in women and abusing painkillers?

It has not even been established that JH was sleeping with Prince. I have heard that she stayed at a hotel in Chanhassen while she was working for extended periods at Paisley Park. And, based on the police interview I read, she seemed totally flummoxed when they asked her which side of the bed P slept on. After stumbling over the question, she eventually said that he slept on the side closest to the bathroom. And, we know for sure that when Prince flew her in to attend the Atlanta PAAM show, she told the police that she flew in the night before...and she was driven to her hotel. The more I think about it, that is probably a large part of why the bodyguards and driver say that she was not intimately involved with Prince: apparently, she didn't spend nights at The Park.

[Edited 5/11/18 23:23pm]

Even on a thread talking about the excessive threads, people are STILL going on about who was/wasn't his girlfriend/lover. Amazing.

benni said:

Even on a thread talking about the excessive threads, people are STILL going on about who was/wasn't his girlfriend/lover. Amazing.

I know,right?

It appears that the thread order has changed on the board and some threads don't move when replied to.

[Edited 5/12/18 6:03am]

endiadj said:

This is insane Pink/Fly. We all know you post using multiple IDs. Get REAL. There is only one person shoving Andy down our throats on every thread. You are not doing her any favors either. She probably needs extra security.

206Michelle said:

endiadj said:

Mayt e has 4.

Mayte was his wife, mother of his only child, and professional collaborator (muse, dancer, band member). Regardless of how one feels about her, her impact on his music and personal life was very significant.

Did Mayte's Appreciation thread get locked or did it expire? I didn't see the reply button.

poppys said:

This is insane Pink/Fly. We all know you post using multiple IDs. Get REAL. There is only one person shoving Andy down our throats on every thread. You are not doing her any favors either. She probably needs extra security.

Actually,if you look at the thread created by purplerabbithole concerning Andy's letter,you will see that several posters responded to the thread and appeared to be interested in Prince and Andy's relationship.People can ignore threads they have no interest in. I'm sorry that you find it upsetting that several of Prince's fans like Andy,including some of us here.

poppys said:

This is insane Pink/Fly. We all know you post using multiple IDs. Get REAL. There is only one person shoving Andy down our throats on every thread. You are not doing her any favors either. She probably needs extra security.

Your claim is ridiculous and without merit. It is also an insidious personal attack. And, it raises a very interesting question: Why are you trying to make it seem that interest in Andy Allo is limited...and manufactured? I hate to break it to you, but people can see through your attempts to malign me. What you are attempting to do is obvious. Shame on you.

benni said:

Even on a thread talking about the excessive threads, people are STILL going on about who was/wasn't his girlfriend/lover. Amazing.

Look at the bright side, benni: At least it's a good thread to push your book.

pinkcashmere23 said:

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Lala's latest FB post is very suggestive. I wonder about her sometimes.The writer of Prince's article in Mojo magazine also said that he was with a beautiful Latina during the interview.I'm not sure she was an official girlfriend but I think they may have dated at one time.

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I wonder about Prince and Lala’s relationship as well.

Yes. He never said a thing about her.She was kind of a mystery. Her latest post on Facebook is interesting.

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Lala's latest FB post is very suggestive. I wonder about her sometimes.The writer of Prince's article in Mojo magazine also said that he was with a beautiful Latina during the interview.I'm not sure she was an official girlfriend but I think they may have dated at one time.

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I wonder about Prince and Lala’s relationship as well.

Has her name come up in the Carver County documents and/or phone records?

poppys said:

This is insane Pink/Fly. We all know you post using multiple IDs. Get REAL. There is only one person shoving Andy down our throats on every thread. You are not doing her any favors either. She probably needs extra security.

I've went from liking AA.....to see ya later, don't want to see ya no mo. Only because of posters who change threads (like this one) to nothing but AA.

FlyOnTheWall said:

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said: I wonder about Prince and Lala’s relationship as well.

Has her name come up in the Carver County documents and/or phone records?

Not that I have heard of. She was never mentioned in any reports that I have read.I saw some familiar names in some of the emails that were sent after he passed. I noticed Shelbey Rodríguez and Esperanza.Hannah Simone said to call her.I think she was the actress from New Girl iirc.

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PennyPurple said:

poppys said:

This is insane Pink/Fly. We all know you post using multiple IDs. Get REAL. There is only one person shoving Andy down our throats on every thread. You are not doing her any favors either. She probably needs extra security.

I've went from liking AA.....to see ya later, don't want to see ya no mo. Only because of posters who change threads (like this one) to nothing but AA.

If you go back to the first or second page, you will see that it was actually posts like yours that brought her name into this thread. I have only been responding to such posts. And, IMHO, if you really like someone, it would take more than posts on Prince.org to change that.

pinkcashmere23 said:

It appears that the thread order has changed on the board and some threads don't move when replied to.

[Edited 5/12/18 6:03am]

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pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Has her name come up in the Carver County documents and/or phone records?

Not that I have heard of. She was never mentioned in any reports that I have read.

I guess that pretty much confirms what I've suspected all along: Lala exaggerates and embellishes her association with Prince.

[Edited 5/12/18 7:31am]

Well looks like some folks (the usual suspects) took the moderators' request to "get it all out of their system" to heart on this thread. But anyone who's looked at this section knows tha some people's "system" has no limit.

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It seems that the vast majority of people who expressed an opinion on this thread want to see threads about the girlfriends consolidated in some way.

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My thought is: prince.org is a community. If the community seems to prefer a particular approach to make this a more inviting for everyone, with varied interests and opinions, to participate, then others shoud be wiling to go along with that. If they're not willing, then I'd wonder: is the person here to exchange ideas, info, and opinions with a robust communithy, or for some other reason?

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Listen I participate in some topics here that routinely get re-routed by moderators. Is that personally "annoying" or time-consuming to me? I guess, sometimes. But I also recognize that not every person here has the same interests as me, and that this community is a shared space, and I respect that.

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I hope that if the moderators take some efforts to change this section, no one then tries to express their disagreement by flooding the main board with complaints, attempting to divert unrelated threads to their preferred topic, etc. I think that woud be not helpful to this community at large.

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And if someonen REALLY can't tolerate the rules or atmosphere here, that they're able to find another place on the internet (or in real life) that's more the kind of community they're looking for.

FlyOnTheWall said:

I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests.

OldFriends4Sale said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

It appears that the thread order has changed on the board and some threads don't move when replied to.

[Edited 5/12/18 6:03am]

Thanks! My computer has been acting up since spilling tea on my keyboard and it sometimes jumps around as a result. It probably did it with out me realizing it.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Not that I have heard of. She was never mentioned in any reports that I have read.

I guess that pretty much confirms what I've suspected all along: Lala exaggerates and embellishes her association with Prince.

[Edited 5/12/18 7:31am]

I don't know. She has some video clips on her IG that were posted in September of 2013 while at the Mall of America and what she said was taken at the arboretum in Eden Prairie. She was in Minneapolis for some reason.

disch said:

Well looks like some folks (the usual suspects) took the moderators' request to "get it all out of their system" to heart on this thread. But anyone who's looked at this section knows tha some people's "system" has no limit.

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It seems that the vast majority of people who expressed an opinion on this thread want to see threads about the girlfriends consolidated in some way.

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My thought is: prince.org is a community. If the community seems to prefer a particular approach to make this a more inviting for everyone, with varied interests and opinions, to participate, then others shoud be wiling to go along with that. If they're not willing, then I'd wonder: is the person here to exchange ideas, info, and opinions with a robust communithy, or for some other reason?

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Listen I participate in some topics here that routinely get re-routed by moderators. Is that personally "annoying" or time-consuming to me? I guess, sometimes. But I also recognize that not every person here has the same interests as me, and that this community is a shared space, and I respect that.

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I hope that if the moderators take some efforts to change this section, no one then tries to express their disagreement by flooding the main board with complaints, attempting to divert unrelated threads to their preferred topic, etc. I think that woud be not helpful to this community at large.

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And if someonen REALLY can't tolerate the rules or atmosphere here, that they're able to find another place on the internet (or in real life) that's more the kind of community they're looking for.

FlyOnTheWall said:

I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests.

So, you've done a formal count? In so doing, are you able to weed out the people with multiple screen names who set out to skew perceptions here on Prince.org?

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I guess that pretty much confirms what I've suspected all along: Lala exaggerates and embellishes her association with Prince.

[Edited 5/12/18 7:31am]

I don't know. She has some video clips on her IG that were posted in September of 2013 while at the Mall of America and what she said was taken at the arboretum in Eden Prairie. She was in Minneapolis for some reason.

I didn't say that I suspect that her association is fabricated. I said exaggerated.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I don't know. She has some video clips on her IG that were posted in September of 2013 while at the Mall of America and what she said was taken at the arboretum in Eden Prairie. She was in Minneapolis for some reason.

I didn't say that I suspect that her association is fabricated. I said exaggerated.

I wonder about that as well. She may have been working on a project for him at the time. The screen shot of the email that appears to be from him,looks like he was teasing her about how long it took for her to get ready to go out.

Nope, no formal count! But I'm very confident in my assessment. Feel free to formally count (people who posted on this thread expressly supporting unlimited threads about the same girlfiend vs people who posted on this thread supporting consolidation of threads about the same girlfriend and/or other limitations) and prove me wrong.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Well looks like some folks (the usual suspects) took the moderators' request to "get it all out of their system" to heart on this thread. But anyone who's looked at this section knows tha some people's "system" has no limit.

-

It seems that the vast majority of people who expressed an opinion on this thread want to see threads about the girlfriends consolidated in some way.

-

My thought is: prince.org is a community. If the community seems to prefer a particular approach to make this a more inviting for everyone, with varied interests and opinions, to participate, then others shoud be wiling to go along with that. If they're not willing, then I'd wonder: is the person here to exchange ideas, info, and opinions with a robust communithy, or for some other reason?

-

Listen I participate in some topics here that routinely get re-routed by moderators. Is that personally "annoying" or time-consuming to me? I guess, sometimes. But I also recognize that not every person here has the same interests as me, and that this community is a shared space, and I respect that.

-

I hope that if the moderators take some efforts to change this section, no one then tries to express their disagreement by flooding the main board with complaints, attempting to divert unrelated threads to their preferred topic, etc. I think that woud be not helpful to this community at large.

-

And if someonen REALLY can't tolerate the rules or atmosphere here, that they're able to find another place on the internet (or in real life) that's more the kind of community they're looking for.

So, you've done a formal count? In so doing, are you able to weed out the people with multiple screen names who set out to skew perceptions here on Prince.org?

[Edited 5/12/18 7:53am]

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

I've went from liking AA.....to see ya later, don't want to see ya no mo. Only because of posters who change threads (like this one) to nothing but AA.

If you go back to the first or second page, you will see that it was actually posts like yours that brought her name into this thread. I have only been responding to such posts. And, IMHO, if you really like someone, it would take more than posts on Prince.org to change that.

AA, You(fly) & pink is the reason this change is happening. I didn't bring AA love life into this thread, I said there are so many threads about AA. You have run with the love story on this thread and every thread, we can't talk about Judith Hill, Natayla without you bringing AA into it, other people have told you to stop hijacking their threads.

Was I the biggest AA fan ever, NO do I like AA, yes. Right now I'm sick of hearing so much about AA and 1/2 of it isn't even true, that I can't stand to hear her name.

So keep running with your fantasy Fly, because my bet is, you've turned quite a few people off to AA.

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What this forum needs is an ignore button.

disch said:

Nope, no formal count! But I'm very confident in my assessment. Feel free formally count (people who posted on this thread expressly supporting unlimited threads about the same girlfiend vs people who posted on this thread supporting consolidation of threads about the same girlfriend) and prove me wrong.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

So, you've done a formal count? In so doing, are you able to weed out the people with multiple screen names who set out to skew perceptions here on Prince.org?

Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different.

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

If you go back to the first or second page, you will see that it was actually posts like yours that brought her name into this thread. I have only been responding to such posts. And, IMHO, if you really like someone, it would take more than posts on Prince.org to change that.

AA, You(fly) & pink is the reason this change is happening. I didn't bring AA love life into this thread, I said there are so many threads about AA. You have run with the love story on this thread and every thread, we can't talk about Judith Hill, Natayla without you bringing AA into it, other people have told you to stop hijacking their threads.

Was I the biggest AA fan ever, NO do I like AA, yes. Right now I'm sick of hearing so much about AA and 1/2 of it isn't even true, that I can't stand to hear her name.

So keep running with your fantasy Fly, because my bet is, you've turned quite a few people off to AA.

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What this forum needs is an ignore button.

I see I'm not the only one who suspects that this whole thread is about trying to tamp down interest in and enthusiasm for Andy Allo. That's deep. But there's no problem with thread after thread about Mayte and whatever Prince product(s) she is selling.

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

AA, You(fly) & pink is the reason this change is happening. I didn't bring AA love life into this thread, I said there are so many threads about AA. You have run with the love story on this thread and every thread, we can't talk about Judith Hill, Natayla without you bringing AA into it, other people have told you to stop hijacking their threads.

Was I the biggest AA fan ever, NO do I like AA, yes. Right now I'm sick of hearing so much about AA and 1/2 of it isn't even true, that I can't stand to hear her name.

So keep running with your fantasy Fly, because my bet is, you've turned quite a few people off to AA.

---------------

What this forum needs is an ignore button.

I see I'm not the only one who suspects that this whole thread is about trying to tamp down interest in and enthusiasm for Andy Allo. That's deep. But there's no problem with thread after thread about Mayte and whatever Prince product(s) she is selling.

Personally, I could do without those threads too.

I think it should be 1 (one) thread per associate to discuss anything about said associate and be done with it. I don't know why we need all of these different threads about the same associate. Just combine them to 1 thread of their own.

Will the ones such as Mayte's Appreciation thread no longer be allowed? As I mentioned earlier,it appears to be locked.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Will the ones such as Mayte's Appreciation thread no longer be allowed? As I mentioned earlier,it appears to be locked.

I would guess that thread probably self-locked. It had been open for months now.

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I see I'm not the only one who suspects that this whole thread is about trying to tamp down interest in and enthusiasm for Andy Allo. That's deep. But there's no problem with thread after thread about Mayte and whatever Prince product(s) she is selling.

Personally, I could do without those threads too.

I think it should be 1 (one) thread per associate to discuss anything about said associate and be done with it. I don't know why we need all of these different threads about the same associate. Just combine them to 1 thread of their own.

The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Will the ones such as Mayte's Appreciation thread no longer be allowed? As I mentioned earlier,it appears to be locked.

I would guess that thread probably self-locked. It had been open for months now.

That's what I was thinking since the last post was on May 2nd.

Change can't come soon enough for me.

Be careful what you ask for.

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

Personally, I could do without those threads too.

I think it should be 1 (one) thread per associate to discuss anything about said associate and be done with it. I don't know why we need all of these different threads about the same associate. Just combine them to 1 thread of their own.

The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?

I do scroll right past them. If you notice my commenting on the associate threads has dwindled down quite a bit.

Change has to come because it is starting to be a huge problem, that has spun out of control.

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?

I do scroll right past them. If you notice my commenting on the associate threads has dwindled down quite a bit.

Change has to come because it is starting to be a huge problem, that has spun out of control.

Actually, I had not noticed.

PennyPurple said:

Personally, I could do without those threads too.

I think it should be 1 (one) thread per associate to discuss anything about said associate and be done with it. I don't know why we need all of these different threads about the same associate. Just combine them to 1 thread of their own.

I agree.

Then when they self lock thread can be started as they do for all other threads on PM&M.

I liked the Appreciation threads and participated in all of them.I also don't see a problem with a thread dedicated to a certain album or project of a protege or associated artist.I did think an update thread to keep up with news like OF4S suggested in one of Latin's threads about Andy was a good idea.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Many other forums have ignore buttons for specific posters, to make it easier to avoid seeing posts from people who you don’t want to see. - Would you object to adding that functionality to this site fly? If so why? - FlyOnTheWall said:

The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?

Not at all, disch; however, I was making a point about the scrolling function that might have escaped you. In fact, I would LOVE to be able to push a button to block certain Orgers...but I don't see how that would work unless it were for orgNotes.

[Edited 5/12/18 8:30am]

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

It’s common on many forums. - And why are you opposed to people being able to hit an ignore button in threads that hold no interest for them? - By the way you’ve now accused people several times of posting under multiple names. Am I one of those people? What other names do I post under? - FlyOnTheWall said:

Not at all, disch; however, I was making a point about the scrolling function that might have escaped you. In fact, I would LOVE to be able to push a button to block certain Orgers...but I don't see how that would work unless it were for orgNotes.

[Edited 5/12/18 8:30am]

When did I say that I was opposed to an ignore button????? I'll wait. Moreover, please don't attribute things that I didn't say to me. If you go back a page or two, you will notice that someone accused me of having multiple screen names, so that's where that thought came from on this thread. Did you not notice that? Why not call that Orger out for their direct personal attack instead of constantly zeroing in on me, disch? Why are you always shadowing me?

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Sigh. Ok: post #165, you said in a reply TO ME (on a post I wrote that had nothing to do with “multiple screen names”): “Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different.” That’s what prompted me to ask you if I was one of your “multiple screen name” posters and if not who is. - FlyOnTheWall said:

When did I say that I was opposed to an ignore button????? I'll wait. Moreover, please don't attribute things that I didn't say to me. If you go back a page or two, you will notice that someone accused me of having multiple screen names, so that's where that thought came from on this thread. Did you not notice that? Why not call that Orger out for their direct personal attack instead of constantly zeroing in on me, disch? Why are you always shadowing me?

What is your point, disch? I never said that I made no mention of multiple screen names. BTW: There is at least one other time I mentioned it in this thread (Reply #123). I tell you, it's really interesting how you have zeroed in on this whole multiple screen name thing. Very interesting.

It's no use disch, they flood the threads so much they forget what they say.

disch said:

Sigh. Ok: post #165, you said in a reply TO ME (on a post I wrote that had nothing to do with “multiple screen names”): “Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different.” That’s what prompted me to ask you if I was one of your “multiple screen name” posters and if not who is. - And re ignore function: in post 170 you wrote: “the "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?” - FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Sigh. Ok: post #165, you said in a reply TO ME (on a post I wrote that had nothing to do with “multiple screen names”): “Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different.” That’s what prompted me to ask you if I was one of your “multiple screen name” posters and if not who is. - And re ignore function: in post 170 you wrote: “the "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?” - FlyOnTheWall said:

When did I say that I was opposed to an ignore button????? I'll wait. Moreover, please don't attribute things that I didn't say to me. If you go back a page or two, you will notice that someone accused me of having multiple screen names, so that's where that thought came from on this thread. Did you not notice that? Why not call that Orger out for their direct personal attack instead of constantly zeroing in on me, disch? Why are you always shadowing me?

[Edited 5/12/18 8:57am]

If you go back to Reply #164, disch, you will see that Penny mentioned the "ignore button," to which I responded in Reply #170. But that doesn't mean that I "oppose an ignore button." So, I accept your apology in advance for falsely accusing me in this regard.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

I’m “zeroing in” because you brought it up in a response directed at me. - So what are the other screenanrs I post under? FlyOnTheWall said:

What is your point, disch? I never said that I made no mention of multiple screen names. BTW: There is at least one other time I mentioned it in this thread (Reply #123). I tell you, it's really interesting how you have zeroed in on this whole multiple screen name thing. Very interesting.

Let it go, disch. You know who you are.

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

Personally, I could do without those threads too.

I think it should be 1 (one) thread per associate to discuss anything about said associate and be done with it. I don't know why we need all of these different threads about the same associate. Just combine them to 1 thread of their own.

The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?

Actually, the original topic (the thread title) may interest a lot of people, however, once you open the page and it has turned into page after page of comments regarding his relationship with this person or that one, what he and/or she was wearing, what he or she said at this or that concert, and pictures and articles that have absolutely nothing to do with the original thread....makes it kind of hard to ignore.

Case in point: "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

In post number 5, it turns to their relationship, instead of focusing on the album as the thread title implies the thread will be about the ablum. In other words, the thread title is just click bait.

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?

Actually, the original topic (the thread title) may interest a lot of people, however, once you open the page and it has turned into page after page of comments regarding his relationship with this person or that one, what he and/or she was wearing, what he or she said at this or that concert, and pictures and articles that have absolutely nothing to do with the original thread....makes it kind of hard to ignore.

Case in point: "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

In post number 5, it turns to their relationship, instead of focusing on the album as the thread title implies the thread will be about the ablum. In other words, the thread title is just click bait.

Are you serious??? I think it's abundantly clear that the tribute video is a retrospective about their relationship. I mean, do you find the video title, "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ," somehow ambiguous???

disch said:

I’m not apologizing to you fly. I didn’t “accuse” you of anything. I quoted your post where you said “an ignore button is mental.” / but I’m glad that you clarified that you in fact DO support this board introducing an ignore function that applies to both threads and posters! While I don’t see that functionality happening, it’s good to know that’s one thing that we do agree on, at least in theory. - So what other screen names do I post under? I’m really curious! FlyOnTheWall said:

If you go back to Reply #164, disch, you will see that Penny mentioned the "ignore button," to which I responded in Reply #170. But that doesn't mean that I "oppose an ignore button." So, I accept your apology in advance for falsely accusing me in this regard.

In case you are unfamiliar with the concept of metaphors, disch, my "ignore button" statement was metaphorical.

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

Actually, the original topic (the thread title) may interest a lot of people, however, once you open the page and it has turned into page after page of comments regarding his relationship with this person or that one, what he and/or she was wearing, what he or she said at this or that concert, and pictures and articles that have absolutely nothing to do with the original thread....makes it kind of hard to ignore.

Case in point: "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

In post number 5, it turns to their relationship, instead of focusing on the album as the thread title implies the thread will be about the ablum. In other words, the thread title is just click bait.

Are you serious??? I think it's abundantly clear that the tribute video is a retrospective about their relationship. I mean, do you find the video title, "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ," somehow ambiguous???

Yes, when the thread title states "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. I expect it to be about the album and/or tribute video, NOT about their relationship. Not about what they were wearing. Not about "why oh why did it end so soon".

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

Actually, the original topic (the thread title) may interest a lot of people, however, once you open the page and it has turned into page after page of comments regarding his relationship with this person or that one, what he and/or she was wearing, what he or she said at this or that concert, and pictures and articles that have absolutely nothing to do with the original thread....makes it kind of hard to ignore.

Case in point: "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

In post number 5, it turns to their relationship, instead of focusing on the album as the thread title implies the thread will be about the ablum. In other words, the thread title is just click bait.

Are you serious??? I think it's abundantly clear that the tribute video is a retrospective about their relationship. I mean, do you find the video title, "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ," somehow ambiguous???

I thought the thread was about both the album and their relationship. The person who created the video meant it as a tribute to them as a couple.

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Are you serious??? I think it's abundantly clear that the tribute video is a retrospective about their relationship. I mean, do you find the video title, "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ," somehow ambiguous???

Yes, when the thread title states "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. I expect it to be about the album and/or tribute video, NOT about their relationship. Not about what they were wearing. Not about "why oh why did it end so soon".

The subtitle of the video is "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead," which is a lyric taken from Prince's "Rocknroll Loveaffair." Given that, what did you expect the thread to be about? And, what in the world is wrong with discussing what they were wearing??? There has always been a fascination about Prince's attire. Sheesh.

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

Yes, when the thread title states "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. I expect it to be about the album and/or tribute video, NOT about their relationship. Not about what they were wearing. Not about "why oh why did it end so soon".

The subtitle of the video is "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead," which is a lyric taken from Prince's "Rocknroll Loveaffair." Given that, what did you expect the thread to be about? And, what in the world is wrong with discussing what they were wearing??? There has always been a fascination about Prince's attire. Sheesh.

Again, "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. One would expect it to be about the Oui Can Love album.

It wasn't just about what they wearing, but WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ALBUM?

And it wasn't just about what they wearing, but "She was wearing another one of his shirts".

Then the discussion goes on to talk about everything BUT the "Oui Can Love" album.

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

The subtitle of the video is "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead," which is a lyric taken from Prince's "Rocknroll Loveaffair." Given that, what did you expect the thread to be about? And, what in the world is wrong with discussing what they were wearing??? There has always been a fascination about Prince's attire. Sheesh.

Again, "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. One would expect it to be about the Oui Can Love album.

It wasn't just about what they wearing, but WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ALBUM?

And it wasn't just about what they wearing, but "She was wearing another one of his shirts".

Then the discussion goes on to talk about everything BUT the "Oui Can Love" album.

I can't even take your meddling comments seriously. I'm relegating this to my "trolling" file. Bye, benni.

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

Again, "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. One would expect it to be about the Oui Can Love album.

It wasn't just about what they wearing, but WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ALBUM?

And it wasn't just about what they wearing, but "She was wearing another one of his shirts".

Then the discussion goes on to talk about everything BUT the "Oui Can Love" album.

I can't even take your meddling comments seriously. I'm relegating this to my "trolling" file. Bye, benni.

Of course you can't, because you don't like hearing the truth. The title of the thread is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. In other words, the album that was used for the tribute video, NOT THEIR RELATIONSHIP. And you are an expert on trolling. So right back atcha.

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benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I can't even take your meddling comments seriously. I'm relegating this to my "trolling" file. Bye, benni.

Of course you can't, because you don't like hearing the truth. The title of the thread is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. In other words, the album that was used for the tribute video, NOT THEIR RELATIONSHIP. And you are an expert on trolling. So right back atcha.

[Edited 5/12/18 10:14am]

I thought the thread was created for the Prince & Andy tribute video celebrating their relationship that is set to the OCL album not the album itself.

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benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I can't even take your meddling comments seriously. I'm relegating this to my "trolling" file. Bye, benni.

Of course you can't, because you don't like hearing the truth. The title of the thread is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. In other words, the album that was used for the tribute video, NOT THEIR RELATIONSHIP. And you are an expert on trolling. So right back atcha.

[Edited 5/12/18 10:14am]

No, benni, you are just flat-out wrong. And, you are being a meddling busybody. The title of the thread is "'Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ." That is the thread title. The actual video title is, "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

And, I have no problem with the truth; however, that is not what you are promoting here. As I see it, you are trolling...and promoting your book. That's right. I said it. Sorry, not sorry.

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

Of course you can't, because you don't like hearing the truth. The title of the thread is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. In other words, the album that was used for the tribute video, NOT THEIR RELATIONSHIP. And you are an expert on trolling. So right back atcha.

[Edited 5/12/18 10:14am]

No, benni, you are just flat-out wrong. And, you are being a meddling busybody. The title of the thread is "'Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ." That is the thread title. The actual video title is, "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

And, I have no problem with the truth; however, that is not what you are promoting here. As I see it, you are trolling...and promoting your book. That's right. I said it. Sorry, not sorry.

A meddling busybody? Please explain how you get that? I'm commenting on a PUBLIC forum, on threads that are open to the public. Meddling defined is "to involve oneself in a matter without right or invitation; interfereofficiously and unwantedly". If you did not want someone to "involve oneself" then why post on a PUBLIC forum? The whole intent of posting on a public forum, threads open for discussion, is that you are "INVITING" others to respond.

The TITLE OF THE THREAD is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video, the tribute video is "2 people in love..." If you had wanted the thread to be about the tribute video, then title it appropriately. Such as, "New Tribute Video which chronicles Andy's and Prince's relationship" ... See the difference?

You do realize that is a lyric in the song, that's all.

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

No, benni, you are just flat-out wrong. And, you are being a meddling busybody. The title of the thread is "'Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ." That is the thread title. The actual video title is, "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

And, I have no problem with the truth; however, that is not what you are promoting here. As I see it, you are trolling...and promoting your book. That's right. I said it. Sorry, not sorry.

A meddling busybody? Please explain how you get that? I'm commenting on a PUBLIC forum, on threads that are open to the public. Meddling defined is "to involve oneself in a matter without right or invitation; interfereofficiously and unwantedly". If you did not want someone to "involve oneself" then why post on a PUBLIC forum? The whole intent of posting on a public forum, threads open for discussion, is that you are "INVITING" others to respond.

The TITLE OF THE THREAD is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video, the tribute video is "2 people in love..." If you had wanted the thread to be about the tribute video, then title it appropriately. Such as, "New Tribute Video which chronicles Andy's and Prince's relationship" ... See the difference?

You do realize that is a lyric in the song, that's all.

But the tribute video is set to the Oui Can Love album so I think that should have been mentioned. The video is made up of a series of photos of them as a couple.

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

No, benni, you are just flat-out wrong. And, you are being a meddling busybody. The title of the thread is "'Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ." That is the thread title. The actual video title is, "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

And, I have no problem with the truth; however, that is not what you are promoting here. As I see it, you are trolling...and promoting your book. That's right. I said it. Sorry, not sorry.

A meddling busybody? Please explain how you get that? I'm commenting on a PUBLIC forum, on threads that are open to the public. Meddling defined is "to involve oneself in a matter without right or invitation; interfereofficiously and unwantedly". If you did not want someone to "involve oneself" then why post on a PUBLIC forum? The whole intent of posting on a public forum, threads open for discussion, is that you are "INVITING" others to respond.

The TITLE OF THE THREAD is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video, the tribute video is "2 people in love..." If you had wanted the thread to be about the tribute video, then title it appropriately. Such as, "New Tribute Video which chronicles Andy's and Prince's relationship" ... See the difference?

You do realize that is a lyric in the song, that's all.

Whatever, benni. At least get the title of the thread right: "'Oui Can Luv' Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: '2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead'... " It's a mouthful, I know, but that's the title. You would better understand that if you had actually watched the beautifully produced video...and were not just trolling and trying to have the thread erased by the moderators.

And, by the way, a synonym for "busybody" is "meddler," which is exactly what you are doing here: MEDDLING.

Edited to add this: WHO ARE YOU TO TRY TO TELL ME HOW TO TITLE A THREAD THAT I CREATED??????????????

[Edited 5/12/18 11:05am]

pinkcashmere23 said:

benni said:

A meddling busybody? Please explain how you get that? I'm commenting on a PUBLIC forum, on threads that are open to the public. Meddling defined is "to involve oneself in a matter without right or invitation; interfereofficiously and unwantedly". If you did not want someone to "involve oneself" then why post on a PUBLIC forum? The whole intent of posting on a public forum, threads open for discussion, is that you are "INVITING" others to respond.

The TITLE OF THE THREAD is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video, the tribute video is "2 people in love..." If you had wanted the thread to be about the tribute video, then title it appropriately. Such as, "New Tribute Video which chronicles Andy's and Prince's relationship" ... See the difference?

You do realize that is a lyric in the song, that's all.

But the tribute video is set to the Oui Can Love album so I think that should have been mentioned. The video is made up of a series of photos of them as a couple.

Yes pink, but the thread title itself states it is about the album that was used for the tribute video. And many of the photos are on stage or in public appearances, not their private lives.

The whole point I was trying to make to Fly, was that she stated if someone doesn't like a thread or person, scroll past them. I like the "Oui Can Love" album, thought the tribute video was pretty nice, expected that is what the thread would be about, but instead it's pages of his relationship with Andy, what he or she was wearing (each other's clothes), their appearances together at this and that function, and why oh why did they end so soon....and really was not about the Oui Can Love album or about the tribute video.

That is why it makes it difficult for people to scroll past threads that would otherwise hold no interest for them. The thread title says it's about this, but the posts says it's about that. (If you noticed, I didn't post in that thread.) I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy or any of his other women. I started to read it and then saw it twist and turn as all threads relating to Andy do.

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

A meddling busybody? Please explain how you get that? I'm commenting on a PUBLIC forum, on threads that are open to the public. Meddling defined is "to involve oneself in a matter without right or invitation; interfereofficiously and unwantedly". If you did not want someone to "involve oneself" then why post on a PUBLIC forum? The whole intent of posting on a public forum, threads open for discussion, is that you are "INVITING" others to respond.

The TITLE OF THE THREAD is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video, the tribute video is "2 people in love..." If you had wanted the thread to be about the tribute video, then title it appropriately. Such as, "New Tribute Video which chronicles Andy's and Prince's relationship" ... See the difference?

You do realize that is a lyric in the song, that's all.

Whatever, benni. At least get the title of the thread right: "'Oui Can Luv' Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: '2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead'... " It's a mouthful, I know, but that's the title. You would better understand that if you had actually watched the beautifully produced video...and were not just trolling and trying to have the thread erased by the moderators.

And, by the way, a synonym for "busybody" is "meddler," which is exactly what you are doing here: MEDDLING.

Edited to add this: WHO ARE YOU TO TRY TO TELL ME HOW TO TITLE A THREAD THAT I CREATED??????????????

[Edited 5/12/18 11:05am]

Again, it's a public forum. I'm not trying to get anything "shut down". If I were trying to get it shut down, I would just report it. And yes, I'm not typing that title out over and over again. Everyone can read the thread title at the actual thread. I did watch the tribute, thank you very much. But I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy. If the thread were actually about the album, or even the tribute video, then maybe I would participate, but as always, it evolved into something else entirely and has nothing to do with album or the tribute video itself. And I didn't TELL YOU to title thread...I was showing the difference between how the reality of the title with the actual subject matter, will make a difference in whether people choose to scroll past it, as you have suggested they do. So WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ANYONE TO SCROLL PAST A THREAD ON A PUBLIC FORUM??

benni said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

But the tribute video is set to the Oui Can Love album so I think that should have been mentioned. The video is made up of a series of photos of them as a couple.

Yes pink, but the thread title itself states it is about the album that was used for the tribute video. And many of the photos are on stage or in public appearances, not their private lives.

The whole point I was trying to make to Fly, was that she stated if someone doesn't like a thread or person, scroll past them. I like the "Oui Can Love" album, thought the tribute video was pretty nice, expected that is what the thread would be about, but instead it's pages of his relationship with Andy, what he or she was wearing (each other's clothes), their appearances together at this and that function, and why oh why did they end so soon....and really was not about the Oui Can Love album or about the tribute video.

That is why it makes it difficult for people to scroll past threads that would otherwise hold no interest for them. The thread title says it's about this, but the posts says it's about that. (If you noticed, I didn't post in that thread.) I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy or any of his other women. I started to read it and then saw it twist and turn as all threads relating to Andy do.

Where does it say that? The thread title says that the Oui Can Luv album was used to make a video called, "2 People in Luv, with nothing but the road ahead." In other words, the thread is about the video that was set to the music of the album. In it's broadest sense, the thread is about the album, the video, and "2 people in luv." What's wrong with that? Can't you see how offensive you are being right now?

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Whatever, benni. At least get the title of the thread right: "'Oui Can Luv' Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: '2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead'... " It's a mouthful, I know, but that's the title. You would better understand that if you had actually watched the beautifully produced video...and were not just trolling and trying to have the thread erased by the moderators.

And, by the way, a synonym for "busybody" is "meddler," which is exactly what you are doing here: MEDDLING.

Edited to add this: WHO ARE YOU TO TRY TO TELL ME HOW TO TITLE A THREAD THAT I CREATED??????????????

[Edited 5/12/18 11:05am]

Again, it's a public forum. I'm not trying to get anything "shut down". If I were trying to get it shut down, I would just report it. And yes, I'm not typing that title out over and over again. Everyone can read the thread title at the actual thread. I did watch the tribute, thank you very much. But I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy. If the thread were actually about the album, or even the tribute video, then maybe I would participate, but as always, it evolved into something else entirely and has nothing to do with album or the tribute video itself. And I didn't TELL YOU to title thread...I was showing the difference between how the reality of the title with the actual subject matter, will make a difference in whether people choose to scroll past it, as you have suggested they do. So WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ANYONE TO SCROLL PAST A THREAD ON A PUBLIC FORUM??

If that's the case, once you discovered that the thread was discussing Prince and Andy's relationship, why not just move on? What is so difficult about that concept for you to understand??? Good grief!!

benni said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

But the tribute video is set to the Oui Can Love album so I think that should have been mentioned. The video is made up of a series of photos of them as a couple.

Yes pink, but the thread title itself states it is about the album that was used for the tribute video. And many of the photos are on stage or in public appearances, not their private lives.

The whole point I was trying to make to Fly, was that she stated if someone doesn't like a thread or person, scroll past them. I like the "Oui Can Love" album, thought the tribute video was pretty nice, expected that is what the thread would be about, but instead it's pages of his relationship with Andy, what he or she was wearing (each other's clothes), their appearances together at this and that function, and why oh why did they end so soon....and really was not about the Oui Can Love album or about the tribute video.

That is why it makes it difficult for people to scroll past threads that would otherwise hold no interest for them. The thread title says it's about this, but the posts says it's about that. (If you noticed, I didn't post in that thread.) I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy or any of his other women. I started to read it and then saw it twist and turn as all threads relating to Andy do.

Got it. Since you don't have interest in their relationship and are interested in solely the music,you watched the video and didn't comment. Those of us interested in both commented accordingly. Some of us noted that he/they looked happy in some of the photos which lead to other discussion about their relationship.

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

Again, it's a public forum. I'm not trying to get anything "shut down". If I were trying to get it shut down, I would just report it. And yes, I'm not typing that title out over and over again. Everyone can read the thread title at the actual thread. I did watch the tribute, thank you very much. But I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy. If the thread were actually about the album, or even the tribute video, then maybe I would participate, but as always, it evolved into something else entirely and has nothing to do with album or the tribute video itself. And I didn't TELL YOU to title thread...I was showing the difference between how the reality of the title with the actual subject matter, will make a difference in whether people choose to scroll past it, as you have suggested they do. So WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ANYONE TO SCROLL PAST A THREAD ON A PUBLIC FORUM??

If that's the case, once you discovered that the thread was discussing Prince and Andy's relationship, why not just move on? What is so difficult about that concept for you to understand??? Good grief!!

As I said, I did not participate in the thread. You TOLD people here that if a thread or the subject of the thread doesn't interest them, then scroll right past. However, when the thread titles say it is about one thing, but then the subject matter of the thread is about something else, it's not easy to "scroll" right past on the topics that don't interest you. What do you not understand about that?

Benni (or anyone) participating in an unlocked thread -- especially one started by a moderator with the title "All These Women Threads," and that specifically says "Yall get this out of your system" -- doesn't really fit any definition of "meddling."

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I know you've been very senitive to the idea that you're on the receiving end of bullying and attempts at "censorship." Maybe just pause for a second and think about that...

FlyOnTheWall said:

And, by the way, a synonym for "busybody" is "meddler," which is exactly what you are doing here: MEDDLING.

[Edited 5/12/18 11:05am]

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

Yes pink, but the thread title itself states it is about the album that was used for the tribute video. And many of the photos are on stage or in public appearances, not their private lives.

The whole point I was trying to make to Fly, was that she stated if someone doesn't like a thread or person, scroll past them. I like the "Oui Can Love" album, thought the tribute video was pretty nice, expected that is what the thread would be about, but instead it's pages of his relationship with Andy, what he or she was wearing (each other's clothes), their appearances together at this and that function, and why oh why did they end so soon....and really was not about the Oui Can Love album or about the tribute video.

That is why it makes it difficult for people to scroll past threads that would otherwise hold no interest for them. The thread title says it's about this, but the posts says it's about that. (If you noticed, I didn't post in that thread.) I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy or any of his other women. I started to read it and then saw it twist and turn as all threads relating to Andy do.

Where does it say that? The thread title says that the Oui Can Luv album was used to make a video called, "2 People in Luv, with nothing but the road ahead." In other words, the thread is about the video that was set to the music of the album. In it's broadest sense, the thread is about the album, the video, and "2 people in luv." What's wrong with that? Can't you see how offensive you are being right now?

Again, the thread title Fly.

""Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ""

If you truly read that (and admittedly, the last half of it, I do not read as a subtitle because it is a lyric in a Prince song and I did not apply that to the subject matter of the thread). It states, "Oui Can Love" Album used for tribute video. In other words, the way the title is written is like, "Hey the Oui Can Love Album was used in a tribute vidoe!" It's about the album being used in a tribute video. Not about their relationship. Not about what they wore. Not about everything else under the sun related to Prince and Andy, but about the album being used in a tribute video.

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Where does it say that? The thread title says that the Oui Can Luv album was used to make a video called, "2 People in Luv, with nothing but the road ahead." In other words, the thread is about the video that was set to the music of the album. In it's broadest sense, the thread is about the album, the video, and "2 people in luv." What's wrong with that? Can't you see how offensive you are being right now?

Again, the thread title Fly.

""Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ""

If you truly read that (and admittedly, the last half of it, I do not read as a subtitle because it is a lyric in a Prince song and I did not apply that to the subject matter of the thread). It states, "Oui Can Love" Album used for tribute video. In other words, the way the title is written is like, "Hey the Oui Can Love Album was used in a tribute vidoe!" It's about the album being used in a tribute video. Not about their relationship. Not about what they wore. Not about everything else under the sun related to Prince and Andy, but about the album being used in a tribute video.

But...how did the thread I started come to be about you, benni, and how you misread the title???

Fly, I only picked that thread because it was the most obvious on the front page. The way the thread title reads vs the subject matter, shows how it is not always black and white on what threads to scroll past.

I like Andy. I like her voice. I was following her on FB for awhile and even listened to some of her Monday Music video livestreams. But you know, a musician becomes a musician because they have passion for their art. They seek fame because they want to be known for the art they create, not who they were dating. I'd rather give her music the spot light it deserves, and not a relationship that ended several years ago, especially one that has no chance to ever be resurrected. That part of her life is over. I'm sure she cherishes the memories she has of Prince, but don't keep her in a Prince box. She's an artist of her own, and her life will now forever veer away from Prince, because there is no Prince to keep her tied to him. So why is it so important for her fans to keep her tied to someone that is (and can never be) a part of her life any longer? They made great music together, and looked good together (just as he looked good with Denise, with Mayte, with Mani, with Sheila, with...) ... but their paths are no longer converging. They have a place in Prince history, but they also deserve to create their own history and forge their own path now.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

Again, the thread title Fly.

""Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ""

If you truly read that (and admittedly, the last half of it, I do not read as a subtitle because it is a lyric in a Prince song and I did not apply that to the subject matter of the thread). It states, "Oui Can Love" Album used for tribute video. In other words, the way the title is written is like, "Hey the Oui Can Love Album was used in a tribute vidoe!" It's about the album being used in a tribute video. Not about their relationship. Not about what they wore. Not about everything else under the sun related to Prince and Andy, but about the album being used in a tribute video.

But...how did the thread I started come to be about you, benni, and how you misread the title???

LOL!!!!

"The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?"

Thread titles are important if you truly want people to scroll past. It has nothing to do with me.

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Where does it say that? The thread title says that the Oui Can Luv album was used to make a video called, "2 People in Luv, with nothing but the road ahead." In other words, the thread is about the video that was set to the music of the album. In it's broadest sense, the thread is about the album, the video, and "2 people in luv." What's wrong with that? Can't you see how offensive you are being right now?

Again, the thread title Fly.

""Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ""

If you truly read that (and admittedly, the last half of it, I do not read as a subtitle because it is a lyric in a Prince song and I did not apply that to the subject matter of the thread). It states, "Oui Can Love" Album used for tribute video. In other words, the way the title is written is like, "Hey the Oui Can Love Album was used in a tribute vidoe!" It's about the album being used in a tribute video. Not about their relationship. Not about what they wore. Not about everything else under the sun related to Prince and Andy, but about the album being used in a tribute video.

Talk was bound to lead to discussion of the relationship after watching the video. Some us said that we enjoyed seeing photos from back then and that he appeared to be happy which some associated with Andy.

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree. I know I'm , but gosh darn it, I have a right to do that once in awhile.

benni said:

Fly, I only picked that thread because it was the most obvious on the front page. The way the thread title reads vs the subject matter, shows how it is not always black and white on what threads to scroll past.

I like Andy. I like her voice. I was following her on FB for awhile and even listened to some of her Monday Music video livestreams. But you know, a musician becomes a musician because they have passion for their art. They seek fame because they want to be known for the art they create, not who they were dating. I'd rather give her music the spot light it deserves, and not a relationship that ended several years ago, especially one that has no chance to ever be resurrected. That part of her life is over. I'm sure she cherishes the memories she has of Prince, but don't keep her in a Prince box. She's an artist of her own, and her life will now forever veer away from Prince, because there is no Prince to keep her tied to him. So why is it so important for her fans to keep her tied to someone that is (and can never be) a part of her life any longer? They made great music together, and looked good together (just as he looked good with Denise, with Mayte, with Mani, with Sheila, with...) ... but their paths are no longer converging. They have a place in Prince history, but they also deserve to create their own history and forge their own path now.

People have a right to discuss Prince history, including his relationships, to our heart's content. And, Miss Andy is definitely forging her own path. In fact, I'm going to sign off soon so that I can tune in for her latest StageIt concert. It starts in 20 minutes.

disch said:

Benni (or anyone) participating in an unlocked thread -- especially one started by a moderator with the title "All These Women Threads," and that specifically says "Yall get this out of your system" -- doesn't really fit any definition of "meddling."

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I know you've been very senitive to the idea that you're on the receiving end of bullying and attempts at "censorship." Maybe just pause for a second and think about that...

FlyOnTheWall said:

And, by the way, a synonym for "busybody" is "meddler," which is exactly what you are doing here: MEDDLING.

[Edited 5/12/18 11:05am]

You sound more like a moderator with each of your posts, disch.

Anybody notice that 'All these Women threads' Title, is nothing but AA? Someone is having a melt down because they think that all their AA threads are going to be taken away and reduced to 1.

Well, moderators by defintion practice moderation, and moderation in all things in life (including fandoms!) is a good thing, so I'll take that as a complement!

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Benni (or anyone) participating in an unlocked thread -- especially one started by a moderator with the title "All These Women Threads," and that specifically says "Yall get this out of your system" -- doesn't really fit any definition of "meddling."

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I know you've been very senitive to the idea that you're on the receiving end of bullying and attempts at "censorship." Maybe just pause for a second and think about that...

You sound more like a moderator with each of your posts, disch.

benni said:

Fly, I only picked that thread because it was the most obvious on the front page. The way the thread title reads vs the subject matter, shows how it is not always black and white on what threads to scroll past.

I like Andy. I like her voice. I was following her on FB for awhile and even listened to some of her Monday Music video livestreams. But you know, a musician becomes a musician because they have passion for their art. They seek fame because they want to be known for the art they create, not who they were dating. I'd rather give her music the spot light it deserves, and not a relationship that ended several years ago, especially one that has no chance to ever be resurrected. That part of her life is over. I'm sure she cherishes the memories she has of Prince, but don't keep her in a Prince box. She's an artist of her own, and her life will now forever veer away from Prince, because there is no Prince to keep her tied to him. So why is it so important for her fans to keep her tied to someone that is (and can never be) a part of her life any longer? They made great music together, and looked good together (just as he looked good with Denise, with Mayte, with Mani, with Sheila, with...) ... but their paths are no longer converging. They have a place in Prince history, but they also deserve to create their own history and forge their own path now.

True. Though Andy's MMs usually brought the focus on Prince or their relationship because some of the songs she performed were written for him or with him.Also Andy will always be connected with Prince through the music they created together that is showcased on his final albums.

PennyPurple said:

Anybody notice that 'All these Women threads' Title, is nothing but AA? Someone is having a melt down because they think that all their AA threads are going to be taken away and reduced to 1.

I'M melting down?? I'm simply fending off all the missiles being thrown my way.

And, btw, I have absolutely no problem with a single thread at a time. That was working just fine...until the moderators starting locking up and erasing every single Andy thread that I started.

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PennyPurple said:

Anybody notice that 'All these Women threads' Title, is nothing but AA? Someone is having a melt down because they think that all their AA threads are going to be taken away and reduced to 1.

I was also enjoying the Mayte thread and was hoping for a continuation of it. Also have been enjoying the threads about Natalya and Judith as well.

PennyPurple said:

Anybody notice that 'All these Women threads' Title, is nothing but AA? Someone is having a melt down because they think that all their AA threads are going to be taken away and reduced to 1.

meltdown . bored with her life and the hijack freeway.

benni said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree. I know I'm , but gosh darn it, I have a right to do that once in awhile.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

benni said:

Fly, I only picked that thread because it was the most obvious on the front page. The way the thread title reads vs the subject matter, shows how it is not always black and white on what threads to scroll past.

I like Andy. I like her voice. I was following her on FB for awhile and even listened to some of her Monday Music video livestreams. But you know, a musician becomes a musician because they have passion for their art. They seek fame because they want to be known for the art they create, not who they were dating. I'd rather give her music the spot light it deserves, and not a relationship that ended several years ago, especially one that has no chance to ever be resurrected. That part of her life is over. I'm sure she cherishes the memories she has of Prince, but don't keep her in a Prince box. She's an artist of her own, and her life will now forever veer away from Prince, because there is no Prince to keep her tied to him. So why is it so important for her fans to keep her tied to someone that is (and can never be) a part of her life any longer? They made great music together, and looked good together (just as he looked good with Denise, with Mayte, with Mani, with Sheila, with...) ... but their paths are no longer converging. They have a place in Prince history, but they also deserve to create their own history and forge their own path now.

True. Though Andy's MMs usually brought the focus on Prince or their relationship because some of the songs she performed were written for him or with him.Also Andy will always be connected with Prince through the music they created together that is showcased on his final albums.

I honestly hope not, pink. I hope that Andy has such an incredible career, that her music will be entirely her own, that her time with Prince will be one of those "little known facts" you see posted about artists. The reason I hope this, is because no artist wants their art always tied to someone who was more iconic than them. Andy deserves her own career, her own fame, outside of Prince's influence. She needs to be known for herself, not connected to Prince because of a few songs they did together.

benni said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

True. Though Andy's MMs usually brought the focus on Prince or their relationship because some of the songs she performed were written for him or with him.Also Andy will always be connected with Prince through the music they created together that is showcased on his final albums.

I honestly hope not, pink. I hope that Andy has such an incredible career, that her music will be entirely her own, that her time with Prince will be one of those "little known facts" you see posted about artists. The reason I hope this, is because no artist wants their art always tied to someone who was more iconic than them. Andy deserves her own career, her own fame, outside of Prince's influence. She needs to be known for herself, not connected to Prince because of a few songs they did together.

Andy has her own career...but, to the chagrin of some, she will always be associated with Prince. She is part of music/entertainment history. In what world is that a bad thing?

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

I honestly hope not, pink. I hope that Andy has such an incredible career, that her music will be entirely her own, that her time with Prince will be one of those "little known facts" you see posted about artists. The reason I hope this, is because no artist wants their art always tied to someone who was more iconic than them. Andy deserves her own career, her own fame, outside of Prince's influence. She needs to be known for herself, not connected to Prince because of a few songs they did together.

Andy has her own career...but, to the chagrin of some, she will always be associated with Prince. She is part of music/entertainment history. In what world is that a bad thing?

It's not to anyone's chagrin, Fly. Yes, she will always be a part of Prince's history. <---- Prince's history, not music/entertainment history, because she's not done anything yet to earn that place, but she is in PRINCE'S history. She hasn't gone platinum with her own music, hasn't gone gold, isn't placed in the charts. She is known right now, almost strictly by her association with Prince. I just hope she is successful enough that she creates her own history, in the entertainment and music history. You ask anyone outside of the Prince world who Andy Allo is, and the majority of people will have no idea who you are talking about. But hopefully, one day, if she continues to reach for her dream, she will be.

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Andy has her own career...but, to the chagrin of some, she will always be associated with Prince. She is part of music/entertainment history. In what world is that a bad thing?

It's not to anyone's chagrin, Fly. Yes, she will always be a part of Prince's history. <---- Prince's history, not music/entertainment history, because she's not done anything yet to earn that place, but she is in PRINCE'S history. She hasn't gone platinum with her own music, hasn't gone gold, isn't placed in the charts. She is known right now, almost strictly by her association with Prince. I just hope she is successful enough that she creates her own history, in the entertainment and music history. You ask anyone outside of the Prince world who Andy Allo is, and the majority of people will have no idea who you are talking about. But hopefully, one day, if she continues to reach for her dream, she will be.

Prince is a HUGE part of music/entertainment history. Ergo, so are his associates. BTW, more people know Andy than you might think. For instance, the Pitch Perfect franchise, of which Andy is now also a part, is a pretty big deal. And, her star continues to rise. Don't you worry, benni, Andy will be just fine...in spite of the haters on Prince.org.

benni said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

True. Though Andy's MMs usually brought the focus on Prince or their relationship because some of the songs she performed were written for him or with him.Also Andy will always be connected with Prince through the music they created together that is showcased on his final albums.

I honestly hope not, pink. I hope that Andy has such an incredible career, that her music will be entirely her own, that her time with Prince will be one of those "little known facts" you see posted about artists. The reason I hope this, is because no artist wants their art always tied to someone who was more iconic than them. Andy deserves her own career, her own fame, outside of Prince's influence. She needs to be known for herself, not connected to Prince because of a few songs they did together.

I agree but I meant that the songs that they wrote and recorded together are on his albums and she will always be a part of his legacy because of that.Something she herself acknowledged during her interview with Grammy Pro.

pinkcashmere23 said:

disch said:

Prince had lots and lots of collaborators/protégées/associates over his career, so I guess this would be true of them all. Interestingly many of his female associates get a lot of criticism here if they emphasize their association — that they aren’t “doing they’re own thing” and they’re trying to “ride princes coattails” etc. - On this site the male associates get discussed very differently, it seems. Well just far less as this section is currently dominated by discussion/arguments about his love life and the women involved with it. - pinkcashmere23 said:

I agree but I meant that the songs that they wrote and recorded together are on his albums and she will always be a part of his legacy because of that.Something she herself acknowledged during her interview with Grammy Pro.

Yes.Some of the female associates are treated differently and I think they have to prove themselves more to some of the fans and that they can stand on their own,outside of their association with Prince.

PennyPurple said:

It's no use disch, they flood the threads so much they forget what they say.

Forum flooding is exactly what it's called. I don't think people realize that flooding is already not allowed on most other forums.

cloveringold85 said:

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no no no, I'm hooked now I need her having a drink

OldFriends4Sale said:

cloveringold85 said:

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no no no, I'm hooked now I need her having a drink

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Sorry, I'm being silly!!

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I used to love Ramona's "Turtle Time"! LMAO!!

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LOL

pinkcashmere23 said:

206Michelle said:

endiadj said: Mayte was his wife, mother of his only child, and professional collaborator (muse, dancer, band member). Regardless of how one feels about her, her impact on his music and personal life was very significant.

Did Mayte's Appreciation thread get locked or did it expire? I didn't see the reply button.

It self-locked/expired after 60 days.

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Did Mayte's Appreciation thread get locked or did it expire? I didn't see the reply button.

It self-locked/expired after 60 days.

Thanks. I thought that was probably what happened.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Krystalkisses said:

Well I guess maybe you could be sleeping with someone and not be someone's gf and least not in the man's mind. So maybe it is a case of miscommunication. Also, I don't really know how opiates affect someone's libido. Is it realistic to think Prince had much interest in women and abusing painkillers?

It has not even been established that JH was sleeping with Prince. I have heard that she stayed at a hotel in Chanhassen while she was working for extended periods at Paisley Park. And, based on the police interview I read, she seemed totally flummoxed when they asked her which side of the bed P slept on. After stumbling over the question, she eventually said that he slept on the side closest to the bathroom. And, we know for sure that when Prince flew her in to attend the Atlanta PAAM show, she told the police that she flew in the night before...and she was driven to her hotel. The more I think about it, that is probably a large part of why the bodyguards and driver say that she was not intimately involved with Prince: apparently, she didn't spend nights at The Park.

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I think of Judith Hill as a protegee and companion of Prince's. From what I read of her interview with Carver County police as well as what others (Kirk, Damaris, etc.) have stated, it's unclear whether or not she and Prince were dating because she claims that they were and others claim that they were not. I don't really know what to believe about them being romantically involved, but she certainly was a protegee and companion of his.

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"Romantic relationship" and "girlfriend"/"boyfriend" mean different things to different people. It is possible for two people to be in a romantic relationship/be boyfriend-girlfriend without having a sexual relationship. For example, some couples choose to abstan from sex until marriage due to religious beliefs.

SoulAlive said:

Let's get some more threads about Morris Day and The Time,Mazarati,Jesse Johnson,etc......where their music is being discussed and analyzed! Isn't that better than focusing on all the women that Prince slept with?

Yes, Yes and more yes. Refocus... it's about the music

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth...
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Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.

hey,can you do a few those in-depth threads where you focus on a specific album? How about the Mazarati album? I enjoy those discussions we gotta get this forum back on track.

Yes, if people are really concerned about this place being a go to for information to preserve Prince's legacy, it is about the music, the tours, the style, the bands, the technicians Prince's vision

206Michelle said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

It has not even been established that JH was sleeping with Prince. I have heard that she stayed at a hotel in Chanhassen while she was working for extended periods at Paisley Park. And, based on the police interview I read, she seemed totally flummoxed when they asked her which side of the bed P slept on. After stumbling over the question, she eventually said that he slept on the side closest to the bathroom. And, we know for sure that when Prince flew her in to attend the Atlanta PAAM show, she told the police that she flew in the night before...and she was driven to her hotel. The more I think about it, that is probably a large part of why the bodyguards and driver say that she was not intimately involved with Prince: apparently, she didn't spend nights at The Park.

[Edited 5/11/18 23:23pm]

I think of Judith Hill as a protegee and companion of Prince's. From what I read of her interview with Carver County police as well as what others (Kirk, Damaris, etc.) have stated, it's unclear whether or not she and Prince were dating because she claims that they were and others claim that they were not. I don't really know what to believe about them being romantically involved, but she certainly was a protegee and companion of his.

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"Romantic relationship" and "girlfriend"/"boyfriend" mean different things to different people. It is possible for two people to be in a romantic relationship/be boyfriend-girlfriend without having a sexual relationship. For example, some couples choose to abstan from sex until marriage due to religious beliefs.

From what I have observed of Prince over the years...and based on Van Jones' remark about how over-the-top Prince acted when he was into a woman...I think it would have been obvious, especially to insiders, if he and Judith were more than friends/mentor/mentee.

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

Read rule #7...you agreed to the rules...we are gods baby

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But actually, we never said what is going to happen. How and why did you come to this flame bait conclusion?
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Please tell me where we said we would dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site?
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See THIS is why we have upstart problems on the org. You fabricated a whole mountain out of a mole hill.

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And do an org search on CENSORSHIP, we've discussed this before and sharp Org members have schooled those who cry censorship.
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But again, you fabricated a mountain out of paranoia

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I hope you are not still crying about PNV, she is gone because she wanted to.

FlyOnTheWall said:

206Michelle said:

I think of Judith Hill as a protegee and companion of Prince's. From what I read of her interview with Carver County police as well as what others (Kirk, Damaris, etc.) have stated, it's unclear whether or not she and Prince were dating because she claims that they were and others claim that they were not. I don't really know what to believe about them being romantically involved, but she certainly was a protegee and companion of his.

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"Romantic relationship" and "girlfriend"/"boyfriend" mean different things to different people. It is possible for two people to be in a romantic relationship/be boyfriend-girlfriend without having a sexual relationship. For example, some couples choose to abstan from sex until marriage due to religious beliefs.

From what I have observed of Prince over the years...and based on Van Jones' remark about how over-the-top Prince acted when he was into a woman...I think it would have been obvious, especially to insiders, if he and Judith were more than friends/mentor/mentee.

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Judith did say (as per the investigation statements), that she spent time at PP (i.e., stayed the night).

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She made it sound like they both slept together. It really does not matter to me if they did or not, but I don't think they were in a serious relationship. She lives in L.A.

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Kirk denied that Judith was Prince's GF, but then again, he's denied other things as well.

Ok people...

its been fun but take all Estate or Investigation discussions to the appropriate threads-forums

OldFriends4Sale said:

Ok people...

its been fun but take all Estate or Investigation discussions to the appropriate threads-forums

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Will do!

cloveringold85 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

From what I have observed of Prince over the years...and based on Van Jones' remark about how over-the-top Prince acted when he was into a woman...I think it would have been obvious, especially to insiders, if he and Judith were more than friends/mentor/mentee.

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Judith did say (as per the investigation statements), that she spent time at PP (i.e., stayed the night).

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She made it sound like they both slept together. It really does not matter to me if they did or not, but I don't think they were in a serious relationship. She lives in L.A.

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Kirk denied that Judith was Prince's GF, but then again, he's denied other things as well.

Of course, she spent time at PP, but that doesn't mean she was staying there. And, it wasn't just Kirk. His bodyguard Chris and his driver Kim said the same thing: Judith was not Prince's girlfriend. Others might believe JH or still have doubt, but for me, it's a wrap.

"All These Women" would make a good title for a Prince song...

FlyOnTheWall said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Judith did say (as per the investigation statements), that she spent time at PP (i.e., stayed the night).

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She made it sound like they both slept together. It really does not matter to me if they did or not, but I don't think they were in a serious relationship. She lives in L.A.

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Kirk denied that Judith was Prince's GF, but then again, he's denied other things as well.

Of course, she spent time at PP, but that doesn't mean she was staying there. And, it wasn't just Kirk. His bodyguard Chris and his driver Kim said the same thing: Judith was not Prince's girlfriend. Others might believe JH or still have doubt, but for me, it's a wrap.

Ok

no more girlfriend debates

this thread was not meant for this

purplethunder3121 said:

babynoz said:

PennyPurple said:

It's no use disch, they flood the threads so much they forget what they say.

Forum flooding is exactly what it's called. I don't think people realize that flooding is already not allowed on most other forums.

Actually, I think "forum flooding" is when one person has a very high number of active threads simultaneously, like having 25 or more threads at any given time. I believe that some forums limit the number of active threads begun per person during a specified period.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Krystalkisses said:

purplethunder3121 said:

"All These Women" would make a good title for a Prince song...

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purplemist7777 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I didn't say that I suspect that her association is fabricated. I said exaggerated.

Where was AA mentioned in the investigative reports? Where did it say AA slept at PP?

pinkcashmere23 said:

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013.

I'm still kinda shocked Bria was his girlfriend! She is pretty...but tall!!! And I didn't know he was down with the enchanted breasts like that lol....didnt Mayte tell him when they were married she wanted breast implants but he wouldn't let her? I swear I read that in her biography. Just kinda inconsistent it seems.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I was too. She was around a lot in 09-10 though so I assumed they were probably together back then. I don't remember that about Mayte. I think Bria was around 5'9 so she was a good bit taller.

[Edited 5/13/18 15:58pm]

I see. 2009 was the last time I saw him in concert and then I stopped following him, so I'm not very up to date on the Prince girls.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

What show did you attend? I remember Bria traveling with him for the shows in Europe for the 20ten album and they were photographed in Vienna together. I think her last public appearance with him was at a show in San Jose in May of 2011. Prince sang If I Was Your Girlfriend to her onstage and she dropped out of the picture after that.

It was at Paisley Park in October of 2009! It was really awesome! I do remember noticing at the time that he didn't dance.

pinkcashmere23 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

purplemist7777 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013.

So everyone believes Judith when she mentions previous “girlfriends” but not that she was a “girlfriend”. SMH. My theory on why KJ and others said JH was just a singer was to protect her just like none of the other young proteges that went through PP since 2010 were not mentioned to the police to contact...protecting them. They probably ALL knew about his opioid use and were enablers in the end.

All ya'all !! Ok people...

its been fun but take all Estate or Investigation discussions to the appropriate threads-forums

Please stay on topic, it ain't hard.

purplemist7777 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013.

So everyone believes Judith when she mentions previous “girlfriends” but not that she was a “girlfriend”. SMH. My theory on why KJ and others said JH was just a singer was to protect her just like none of the other young proteges that went through PP since 2010 were not mentioned to the police to contact...protecting them. They probably ALL knew about his opioid use and were enablers in the end.

To protect her from what???

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Awesome! I remember reading the reviews about it here. Some said that he appeared to be in pain and was limping.

Yes it looked that way to me as well, I can remember.

Someone who said that they were the writer of a book that was published about Prince posted in Music & More last year that they were aware that he had his hip surgery in 2010 and that he recuperated at the home in Turks and Caicos. His condition must have worsened in 2009. I remember in videos of he and Bria in Europe in summer of 09 that he had a bit of a limp then as well.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

luv4u said:

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Someone who said that were the writer of a book that was published about Prince posted in Music & More last year that they were aware that he had his hip surgery in 2010 and that he recuperated at the home in Turks and Caicos. His condition must have worsened in 2009. I remember in videos of he and Bria in Europe in summer of 09 that he had a bit of a limp then as well.

He probably really needed the surgery. I wonder why Bria and he fizzled?? It seems like their relationship lasted a while.

Yes. He had lost a lot of weight in 2009 and looked frail but he appeared to be healthy by the time he announced the Welcome 2 America shows in NYC fall of 2010. It was said that Bria was contacted and asked to attend a conference with some other Prince associates and she declined.

That's an idea, rogifan but it would include more than this thread

rogifan said:

luv4u said:

All ya'all !! Ok people...

its been fun but take all Estate or Investigation discussions to the appropriate threads-forums

Please stay on topic, it ain't hard.

Maybe you should rename this the Prince girlfriend debate thread as that’s what it’s turned into.

FlyOnTheWall said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Benni (or anyone) participating in an unlocked thread -- especially one started by a moderator with the title "All These Women Threads," and that specifically says "Yall get this out of your system" -- doesn't really fit any definition of "meddling."

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I know you've been very senitive to the idea that you're on the receiving end of bullying and attempts at "censorship." Maybe just pause for a second and think about that...

FlyOnTheWall said:

And, by the way, a synonym for "busybody" is "meddler," which is exactly what you are doing here: MEDDLING.

[Edited 5/12/18 11:05am]

Call it what you will, but when someone comes at me about a thread that I started, and that person can't even get the title of the thread correct...and then tries to tell me that it is misnamed and misleading, when clearly it is not...that, IMHO, falls under the category of outrageous meddling...and trolling. And, that is the nicest name I could think of for it.

In fact, that whole exchange with benni is a perfect example of Prince.org's biggest problem: Orgers who want to tell other orgers how to think...and who want to control the content of what can and cannot be posted here on Prince.org...based on their individual tastes/interests. Moreover, they set out to try to have removed any thread(s) they don't like...and, far too often, they are successful. Thus, the moderators often reward the bullies/troublemakers.

From my viewpoint, as long as it is about Prince's life and music, his entire life and career, and as long as it substantiated and not derogatory, pornographic, slanderous, or defamatory, any topic should be fine. That covers music, tours, fashion, associates, relationships, proteges, social media, activism/politics, films, videos, photos, spirituality, etc.

In the final analysis, Prince was many things to many people. The same should be true for Prince.org.

GoldenParachute said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend.

You’re off your hinges. Andy got left just like every one else. Any publicity was exactly that... publicity. Prince had plenty of private relationships, I am sure, that were not in the spotlight. Perhaps some girls he saw did not have talent, because that was the only way Prince would publicize you. Minus Damaris. But even Damaris was used for publicity and her own popularity. She certainly was not a dancer. We all knew that. Be wise in your observations and look at the girls Prince used in his projects. Most of them had a following already or had an extraordinary beauty (like Lala), or were talented. If you weren’t, he wouldn’t bring you into the public eye. It is VERY probable that he had love interests privately with women no one knows about. [Edited 5/14/18 8:05am]

Andy was the last confirmed girlfriend that accompanied him to a public event so I guess it could be said that she was his last public girlfriend.I happened to like Damaris and what she brought to the band. I think she had a nice presence and is very beautiful.

GoldenParachute said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I guess that pretty much confirms what I've suspected all along: Lala exaggerates and embellishes her association with Prince.

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It does not take much for you to feel “confirmed” of the lack of importance of other women that were in Prince’s life does it? You’re psychotic. Completely obsessed with Andy Allo. You spend all your time online arguing (I’m sure to andy’s dismay), that she was his soul mate and everyone else was unimportant. It would probably crush your soul to come to the reality that Judith was indeed romantic and Lala had her own separate mailbox filtered from the other women? Why haven’t you been banned yet? No one appreciates the ridiculous amount of time you spend obsessing over andy. No one. You are trying so hard night and day to convince others of your fantasy and it looks like you have snagged a few believers but no one who is an actual adult with a healthy mental state and who has a job is amused.

Was it reported in the Carver County documents that Lala had a separate mailbox? If your claim can be substantiated, that would be pretty convincing to me that she had a substantial relationship with Prince. Just like the reports from THREE Prince insiders who state categorically that Judith Hill was not his girlfriend. I would love to see a link to any such reports about Lala's separate mailbox. Please share.

I have a question, GoldenParachute: Why are you so worried about me? And, why do you want to see me banned? Moreover, why are you consistently bullying me and calling me demeaning names??? This must be what the Salem Witch Hunts were like.

Lastly, for the record, I have never once said that Andy was Prince's soulmate and I have never said that any other woman he was involved with was "unimportant." That is how lies start and spread.

Also, speaking of Andy...and on a more positive note...did you see her sing "Nothing More" at her StageIt concert Saturday? I think her latest rendition was even more soulful than usual. Some thought she might run away from singing that song since it was revealed in her leaked love letter that it was inspired by Prince. I'm glad she held her head high, was in good spirits, and belted out her classic ballad.

[Edited 5/14/18 9:55am]

Did you miss the moderator's comment in post #250?

pinkcashmere23 said:

GoldenParachute said:

FlyOnTheWall said: You’re off your hinges. Andy got left just like every one else. Any publicity was exactly that... publicity. Prince had plenty of private relationships, I am sure, that were not in the spotlight. Perhaps some girls he saw did not have talent, because that was the only way Prince would publicize you. Minus Damaris. But even Damaris was used for publicity and her own popularity. She certainly was not a dancer. We all knew that. Be wise in your observations and look at the girls Prince used in his projects. Most of them had a following already or had an extraordinary beauty (like Lala), or were talented. If you weren’t, he wouldn’t bring you into the public eye. It is VERY probable that he had love interests privately with women no one knows about. [Edited 5/14/18 8:05am]

Andy was the last confirmed girlfriend that accompanied him to a public event so I guess it could be said that she was his last public girlfriend.I happened to like Damaris and what she brought to the band. I think she had a nice presence and is very beautiful.

disch said:

Did you miss the moderator's comment in post #250?

pinkcashmere23 said:

Andy was the last confirmed girlfriend that accompanied him to a public event so I guess it could be said that she was his last public girlfriend.I happened to like Damaris and what she brought to the band. I think she had a nice presence and is very beautiful.

Right! My bad. Back on topic. Bria was the last girlfriend that he took to several public events which was probably why some thought back then that he was going to marry her.

[Edited 5/14/18 9:05am]

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Benni (or anyone) participating in an unlocked thread -- especially one started by a moderator with the title "All These Women Threads," and that specifically says "Yall get this out of your system" -- doesn't really fit any definition of "meddling."

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I know you've been very senitive to the idea that you're on the receiving end of bullying and attempts at "censorship." Maybe just pause for a second and think about that...

Call it what you will, but when someone comes at me about a thread that I started, and that person can't even get the title of the thread correct...and then tries to tell me that it is misnamed and misleading, when clearly it is not...that, IMHO, falls under the category of outrageous meddling...and trolling. And, that is the nicest name I could think of for it.

In fact, that whole exchange with benni is a perfect example of Prince.org's biggest problem: Orgers who want to tell other orgers how to think...and who want to control the content of what can and cannot be posted here on Prince.org...based on their individual tastes/interests. Moreover, they set out to try to have removed any thread(s) they don't like...and, far too often, they are successful. Thus, the moderators often reward the bullies/troublemakers.

From my viewpoint, as long as it is about Prince's life and music, his entire life and career, and as long as it substantiated and not derogatory, pornographic, slanderous, or defamatory, any topic should be fine. That covers music, tours, fashion, associates, relationships, proteges, social media, activism/politics, films, videos, photos, spirituality, etc.

In the final analysis, Prince was many things to many people. The same should be true for Prince.org.

LOL - Actually, I didn't get the title wrong. You can see the very first post I made regarding the thread title, that I typed out every single character, forgive me, but I was NOT going to continue to type out every character after that.

Secondly, I wasn't "coming at you". I was merely pointing out that if thread titles aren't accurately portrayed, then it is not so easy to "just skip it", as the title may show a thread we are interested in, but when we open it, we find a whole other topic being discussed. Not once did I tell you what to think, nor did I say what could or could not be posted on prince.org. I merely said misleading thread titles make just skipping those threads nearly impossible.

But whatever Fly. You seem to like to play the victim when it comes to Andy.

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Call it what you will, but when someone comes at me about a thread that I started, and that person can't even get the title of the thread correct...and then tries to tell me that it is misnamed and misleading, when clearly it is not...that, IMHO, falls under the category of outrageous meddling...and trolling. And, that is the nicest name I could think of for it.

In fact, that whole exchange with benni is a perfect example of Prince.org's biggest problem: Orgers who want to tell other orgers how to think...and who want to control the content of what can and cannot be posted here on Prince.org...based on their individual tastes/interests. Moreover, they set out to try to have removed any thread(s) they don't like...and, far too often, they are successful. Thus, the moderators often reward the bullies/troublemakers.

From my viewpoint, as long as it is about Prince's life and music, his entire life and career, and as long as it substantiated and not derogatory, pornographic, slanderous, or defamatory, any topic should be fine. That covers music, tours, fashion, associates, relationships, proteges, social media, activism/politics, films, videos, photos, spirituality, etc.

In the final analysis, Prince was many things to many people. The same should be true for Prince.org.

LOL - Actually, I didn't get the title wrong. You can see the very first post I made regarding the thread title, that I typed out every single character, forgive me, but I was NOT going to continue to type out every character after that.

Secondly, I wasn't "coming at you". I was merely pointing out that if thread titles aren't accurately portrayed, then it is not so easy to "just skip it", as the title may show a thread we are interested in, but when we open it, we find a whole other topic being discussed. Not once did I tell you what to think, nor did I say what could or could not be posted on prince.org. I merely said misleading thread titles make just skipping those threads nearly impossible.

But whatever Fly. You seem to like to play the victim when it comes to Andy.

And, you seem to be unable to admit when you are WRONG. The title is crystal clear: "Oui Can Luv Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: '2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead...'"

I mean, is the Oui Can Luv album not used for a tribute video called, "2 People in Luv with nothing but the road ahead"? Of course, it is. Thus, anyone with a second-grade reading comprehension level should know what is in store if they make the conscious choice to click on the link. Therefore, I am not going to give you the pleasure of wallowing in the mud with you. That is all. If you want to continue making a fool of yourself, you go right ahead, benni. Peace.

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benni said:

rogifan said:

Asenath said: It’s not about censoring anything. It’s about not having umpteen different threads about the same person. In the Music & More section threads get locked up and re-directed to existing threads all the time. Why should it be different here?

I know I have posted things in PM&M and have had them locked and redirected to the appropriate thread. But I do think they need two separate boards from bandmembers, associates, collaborators vs ex-girlfriends. The ex-girlfriends get a lot of attention and people have a lot of opinions about them. If they have their own board, then this one can strictly focus on the music/interviews/concerts by associates.

How do you seperate them? Wasn't Jill Jones both? Andy? Shelia E?

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

But by that token: What does it matter if the conversations around certain individual associates are consolidated into one thread per associate? Wouldn't that make it easier for the people who are interested in discussing that person to find each other/follow the conversation, and easier for people who aren't interested to skip past it (similar to the one Death Talk sticky on the PM&M page)?

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In fact, it's just the opposite. Trying to navigate those LONG sticky threads, often with dozens of pages, is very time-consuming. For that very reason, I seldom frequent the "Death" and "Estate" stickies. It is much easier, IMHO, to follow more narrowly focused threads.

Exactly

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FlyOnTheWall said:

It has not even been established that JH was sleeping with Prince. I have heard that she stayed at a hotel in Chanhassen while she was working for extended periods at Paisley Park. And, based on the police interview I read, she seemed totally flummoxed when they asked her which side of the bed P slept on. After stumbling over the question, she eventually said that he slept on the side closest to the bathroom. And, we know for sure that when Prince flew her in to attend the Atlanta PAAM show, she told the police that she flew in the night before...and she was driven to her hotel. The more I think about it, that is probably a large part of why the bodyguards and driver say that she was not intimately involved with Prince: apparently, she didn't spend nights at The Park.

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I think of Judith Hill as a protegee and companion of Prince's. From what I read of her interview with Carver County police as well as what others (Kirk, Damaris, etc.) have stated, it's unclear whether or not she and Prince were dating because she claims that they were and others claim that they were not. I don't really know what to believe about them being romantically involved, but she certainly was a protegee and companion of his.

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"Romantic relationship" and "girlfriend"/"boyfriend" mean different things to different people. It is possible for two people to be in a romantic relationship/be boyfriend-girlfriend without having a sexual relationship. For example, some couples choose to abstan from sex until marriage due to religious beliefs.

never mind

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FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

LOL - Actually, I didn't get the title wrong. You can see the very first post I made regarding the thread title, that I typed out every single character, forgive me, but I was NOT going to continue to type out every character after that.

Secondly, I wasn't "coming at you". I was merely pointing out that if thread titles aren't accurately portrayed, then it is not so easy to "just skip it", as the title may show a thread we are interested in, but when we open it, we find a whole other topic being discussed. Not once did I tell you what to think, nor did I say what could or could not be posted on prince.org. I merely said misleading thread titles make just skipping those threads nearly impossible.

But whatever Fly. You seem to like to play the victim when it comes to Andy.

And, you seem to be unable to admit when you are WRONG. The title is crystal clear: "Oui Can Luv Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: '2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead...'"

I mean, is the Oui Can Luv album not used for a tribute video called, "2 People in Luv with nothing but the road ahead"? Of course, it is. Thus, anyone with a second-grade reading comprehension level should know what is in store if they make the conscious choice to click on the link. Therefore, I am not going to give you the pleasure of wallowing in the mud with you. That is all. If you want to continue making a fool of yourself, you go right ahead, benni. Peace.

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LMAO....I had stopped responding. You had brought it up again when you had no need to. You had already responded to disch's response once before, but apparently this has been bothering you, so you had to go back and respond to it again, and bring up the conversation that ended two pages ago, 2 days ago.

But meh, this conversation isn't worth my time or effort. You obviously wanted to rehash it and I fell for it. Won't do so again.

Asenath said:

benni said:

I know I have posted things in PM&M and have had them locked and redirected to the appropriate thread. But I do think they need two separate boards from bandmembers, associates, collaborators vs ex-girlfriends. The ex-girlfriends get a lot of attention and people have a lot of opinions about them. If they have their own board, then this one can strictly focus on the music/interviews/concerts by associates.

How do you seperate them? Wasn't Jill Jones both? Andy? Shelia E?

Very easily, focus on the music, not his sexual involvement with them. If you want to talk about Jill the girlfriend, go the ex-girlfriends forum. If you want to talk about Jill's music, then the collaborators forum. Don't bring relationships into collaborators forum and don't take music to the ex-girlfriends forum.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

Read rule #7...you agreed to the rules...we are gods baby

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But actually, we never said what is going to happen. How and why did you come to this flame bait conclusion?
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Please tell me where we said we would dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site?
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See THIS is why we have upstart problems on the org. You fabricated a whole mountain out of a mole hill.

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And do an org search on CENSORSHIP, we've discussed this before and sharp Org members have schooled those who cry censorship.
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But again, you fabricated a mountain out of paranoia

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I hope you are not still crying about PNV, she is gone because she wanted to.

I didn't fabricate anything. I'm not going to go tit for tat with you, and respond to your rude, slight digs. My post was framed as questions because you were very unclear with your post regarding "post about the ladies". Because I asked you a question privately, regarding how you responded to someone, in no way means that I am "crying"; what it does do is supply evidence to support my opinion that the way you present your post is unflattering and beneath that of someone with the task of being a moderator. Maybe you should take your own advice and review the rules about not attacking people.

benni said:

Asenath said:

How do you seperate them? Wasn't Jill Jones both? Andy? Shelia E?

Very easily, focus on the music, not his sexual involvement with them. If you want to talk about Jill the girlfriend, go the ex-girlfriends forum. If you want to talk about Jill's music, then the collaborators forum. Don't bring relationships into collaborators forum and don't take music to the ex-girlfriends forum.

I think that might be a good idea. I suppose the songs written that were perceived to be about a relationship would be discussed in the ex-girlfriends forum.

That principle is already in place in this site's Music: Non-Prince section, which has these instructions: "Music: Non-Prince is forum to discuss music, albums, tours, songs instruments by musicians entertainers singers (non 'related' to Prince ie (ex)band members (ex)protege members

Any gossip, lifestyle, domestic issues, general discussion of an entertainer musician or singer that isn't about their music, albums, tours, songs, instruments should be posted in the General Discussion section."

pinkcashmere23 said:

benni said:

Very easily, focus on the music, not his sexual involvement with them. If you want to talk about Jill the girlfriend, go the ex-girlfriends forum. If you want to talk about Jill's music, then the collaborators forum. Don't bring relationships into collaborators forum and don't take music to the ex-girlfriends forum.

I think that might be a good idea. I suppose the songs written that were perceived to be about a relationship would be discussed in the ex-girlfriends forum.

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disch said:

That principle is already in place in this site's Music: Non-Prince section, which has these instructions: "Music: Non-Prince is forum to discuss music, albums, tours, songs instruments by musicians entertainers singers (non 'related' to Prince ie (ex)band members (ex)protege members

Any gossip, lifestyle, domestic issues, general discussion of an entertainer musician or singer that isn't about their music, albums, tours, songs, instruments should be posted in the General Discussion section."

pinkcashmere23 said:

I think that might be a good idea. I suppose the songs written that were perceived to be about a relationship would be discussed in the ex-girlfriends forum.

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But, doesn't the description for the "Associated artists & people" forum specify that it is "Talk about ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."? Just look near the top of this page.

disch said:

That principle is already in place in this site's Music: Non-Prince section, which has these instructions: "Music: Non-Prince is forum to discuss music, albums, tours, songs instruments by musicians entertainers singers (non 'related' to Prince ie (ex)band members (ex)protege members

Any gossip, lifestyle, domestic issues, general discussion of an entertainer musician or singer that isn't about their music, albums, tours, songs, instruments should be posted in the General Discussion section."

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BUT the description for the Assoc Artist forum says this:

Associated artists & people

Talk about ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc...

Yes, but the moderators said at in the first post that some change is coming to this section, so some of us are suggesting what kind of changes might work. One idea might be to organize things more like the Music: Non-Prince section. There are other ideas too, to help foster more diverse conversations that extend beyond the current love-life-centric/"I think Prince loved <whoever> the MOSTEST"-type conversations in this section.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

That principle is already in place in this site's Music: Non-Prince section, which has these instructions: "Music: Non-Prince is forum to discuss music, albums, tours, songs instruments by musicians entertainers singers (non 'related' to Prince ie (ex)band members (ex)protege members

Any gossip, lifestyle, domestic issues, general discussion of an entertainer musician or singer that isn't about their music, albums, tours, songs, instruments should be posted in the General Discussion section."

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But, doesn't the description for the "Associated artists & people" forum specify that it is "Talk about ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."? Just look near the top of this page.

disch said:

Yes, but the moderators said at in the first post that some change is coming to this section, so some of us are suggesting what kind of changes might work. One idea might be to organize things more like the Music: Non-Prince section. There are other ideas too, to help foster more diverse conversations that extend beyond the current love-life-centric/"I think Prince loved <whoever> the MOSTEST"-type conversations in this section.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

But, doesn't the description for the "Associated artists & people" forum specify that it is "Talk about ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."? Just look near the top of this page.

Okay...but, how is the Music: Non-Prince section organized any differently than any of the other forums?

Well, because like this section, Music: Non-Prince focuses on musical people who aren't Prince, but there's a specific rule there that people can only talk about music-related topics; to discuss non-music topics about those artists, orgers are instructed to go elsewhere (in that case, the General Discussion area).

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So I was pointing out, following a discussion here about trying to divide conversations into music and non-music topics, that split has already occurred in the Music: Non-Prince section and it seems to be working there, so perhaps there's some learnings from that section that can be applied to this section.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Yes, but the moderators said at in the first post that some change is coming to this section, so some of us are suggesting what kind of changes might work. One idea might be to organize things more like the Music: Non-Prince section. There are other ideas too, to help foster more diverse conversations that extend beyond the current love-life-centric/"I think Prince loved <whoever> the MOSTEST"-type conversations in this section.

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Okay...but, how is the Music: Non-Prince section organized any differently than any of the other forums?

disch said:

Well, because like this section, Music: Non-Prince focuses on musical people who aren't Prince, but there's a specific rule there that people can only talk about music-related topics; to discuss non-music topics about those artists, orgers are instructed to go elsewhere (in that case, the General Discussion area).

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So I was pointing out, following a discussion here about trying to divide conversations into music and non-music topics, that split has already occurred in the Music: Non-Prince section and it seems to be working there, so perhaps there's some learnings from that section that can be applied to this section.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Okay...but, how is the Music: Non-Prince section organized any differently than any of the other forums?

That might be a good idea...but, chances are the very same Orgers would still be right there, front-and-center, complaining about the content of threads they don't like or about which they are not interested.

Well I think the "very same orgers" would be intent on bringing in love-life/so-and-so was prince's soul mate/last-confirmed-girlfrend/one-true-love discussion into music-related topics. The very same orgers who have made clear that they view ANY attempt to corral repetitive threads and discussions as a form of censorship. So I think this might end up not being fair to moderators who'd have to try to babysit.

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Just look, with honest eyes, at the posters who are dominating this section with their posts. It's not the people you brand the troublemakers, the meddlers, the busybodies etc. And it's too late at night where I am to argue with you about this, but I'm sure you'll dispute that.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Well, because like this section, Music: Non-Prince focuses on musical people who aren't Prince, but there's a specific rule there that people can only talk about music-related topics; to discuss non-music topics about those artists, orgers are instructed to go elsewhere (in that case, the General Discussion area).

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So I was pointing out, following a discussion here about trying to divide conversations into music and non-music topics, that split has already occurred in the Music: Non-Prince section and it seems to be working there, so perhaps there's some learnings from that section that can be applied to this section.

That might be a good idea...but, chances are the very same Orgers would still be right there, front-and-center, complaining about the content of threads they don't like or about which they are not interested.

disch said:

Well I think the "very same orgers" would be intent on bringing in love-life/so-and-so was prince's soul mate/last-confirmed-girlfrend/one-true-love discussion into music-related topics. The very same orgers who have made clear that they view ANY attempt to corral repetitive threads and discussions as a form of censorship. So I think this might end up not being fair to moderators who'd have to try to babysit.

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Just look, with honest eyes, at the posters who are dominating this section with their posts. It's not the people you brand the troublemakers, the meddlers, the busybodies etc. And it's too late at night where I am to argue with you about this, but I'm sure you'll dispute that.

FlyOnTheWall said:

That might be a good idea...but, chances are the very same Orgers would still be right there, front-and-center, complaining about the content of threads they don't like or about which they are not interested.

Personally, I sometimes go months at a time without even posting on Prince.org. And, I am not one to regularly initiate threads. The most active threads I've ever had at one time is now: three. I'm not into "forum flooding," which I think can be problematic if not controlled.

And, when I do come onto the Org, I don't bother anyone. I'm not into bullying. Now, that's not to say that I won't defend myself from attacks. But, by-and-large, mine is a peaceful vibe. My goal is not to argue. It never is...but, I'm not going to let others just steamroll me either, as some are wont to do here.

I'm not a musician or a music theorist, so the really technical threads tend to go over my head. I'm drawn to discussions of relationships and culture, particularly during Prince's final years. That's my lane...and I tend to stay in it.

Lastly, I don't think the moderators should be in the business of "babysitting." IMHO, that is part of the problem. I like to think that all Orgers are adults...and they should behave as such...as civil adults. If they can't abide by a "no personal attacks, no name-calling, no bullying" policy, then, they should be shown the exit. Such a no-nonsense policy would make a world of difference around here. But, that just my .

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disch said:

Well I think the "very same orgers" would be intent on bringing in love-life/so-and-so was prince's soul mate/last-confirmed-girlfrend/one-true-love discussion into music-related topics. The very same orgers who have made clear that they view ANY attempt to corral repetitive threads and discussions as a form of censorship. So I think this might end up not being fair to moderators who'd have to try to babysit.

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Just look, with honest eyes, at the posters who are dominating this section with their posts. It's not the people you brand the troublemakers, the meddlers, the busybodies etc. And it's too late at night where I am to argue with you about this, but I'm sure you'll dispute that.

FlyOnTheWall said:

That might be a good idea...but, chances are the very same Orgers would still be right there, front-and-center, complaining about the content of threads they don't like or about which they are not interested.

Discussion of the music of the proteges who were love interests usually shifts to talk of personal relatiionships such as with Judith's recent song Irreplaceable Love and it even happened on one of the Natalya threads as well. Some of the songs on Superconductor for instance are about Prince and the songs that were written together were seemingly about their relationship.In some cases,the line between the professional relationship and the personal is blurred.

disch said:

Well, because like this section, Music: Non-Prince focuses on musical people who aren't Prince, but there's a specific rule there that people can only talk about music-related topics; to discuss non-music topics about those artists, orgers are instructed to go elsewhere (in that case, the General Discussion area).

What makes sense about throwing Prince's personal associations into General Discussion? General Discussion is just that - general - not Prince related. Are you just trying to dump something into a forum you don't use? Do you ever post in GD?

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FlyOnTheWall said:

^^ Fly should have one ID. ONE. At least we could all skip over the insanity more easily.

GoldenParachute said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Was it reported in the Carver County documents that Lala had a separate mailbox? If your claim can be substantiated, that would be pretty convincing to me that she had a substantial relationship with Prince. Just like the reports from THREE Prince insiders who state categorically that Judith Hill was not his girlfriend. I would love to see a link to any such reports about Lala's separate mailbox. Please share.

I have a question, GoldenParachute: Why are you so worried about me? And, why do you want to see me banned? Moreover, why are you consistently bullying me and calling me demeaning names??? This must be what the Salem Witch Hunts were like.

Lastly, for the record, I have never once said that Andy was Prince's soulmate and I have never said that any other woman he was involved with was "unimportant." That is how lies start and spread.

Also, speaking of Andy...and on a more positive note...did you see her sing "Nothing More" at her StageIt concert Saturday? I think her latest rendition was even more soulful than usual. Some thought she might run away from singing that song since it was revealed in her leaked love letter that it was inspired by Prince. I'm glad she held her head high, was in good spirits, and belted out her classic ballad.

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Why does anything have to be convincing to YOU? Why do you think you are so important that something needs to pass by your judge and jury to be labeled truth? Why is it that you think you have Prince’s love life figured out at all? Because you think you are good at Blues Clues and think Prince left you hints? Do you not see your sickness? I cannot even read everything you write because it is SO insane. You have the same tired propaganda insanity of shoving Andy down peoples throats. FOR. MONTHS. You don’t see your unhealthy obsession with her? What does Andy being so important to Prince do for you? Tell us. Do you live vicariously through Andy? I believe you will find any reason to argue that your narrative of Prince’s love life is as you see it. You are in a fit of cognitive dissonance and you absolutely refuse to let anyone else persuade you from your fantasy. I saw you mention bullying in here. Guess what? You are every bit of it. Tell me, is picking apart other female protégée’s here and tearing them down, without having ANY real truth to grasp but your own guesses and delusions, constitute bullying? Are they here to defend themselves or give us the truth? Yet you ply away at every angle you can that strictly fits your perspective towards any female associate with Prince if it is suggested they are romantically tied to him. I have seen you say some pretty AWFUL things about other female associates that were suggested to even have a hint of romance with Prince. But tell us again how you are the victim, you aren’t a bully and you are a peaceful vibe. You absolutely SHRED any female associate who is not Andy. Passive aggressively or directly crude. What makes you think this is going to make people like Andy? One thing is certain, you are NOT the victim, you are the antagonist. You are a hypocrite and a fanatic who denies her own obsessive posting. You actually wrote “I do not come on here for months”. Who are you kidding?

Please cite just ONE example.

No, I wasn't suggesting the conversations about Prince's love life go into GD. I was simpy pointing out, in response to another discussion in this thread about trying to split apart "personal" tallk from "music/professional" talk, that such a split is in effect in the Non-Prince forum and it looks like people adhere to it.

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IF such a split were instituted in this section, the "love life" talk would probably be contained to a particular thread(s) not a separate section entirely (unless the mods wanted to start a whole separate section about Prince's love life).

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I'm not saying it would work well in this section to do that, just that the split-by-subject principle is in effect in that other section already.

poppys said:

disch said:

Well, because like this section, Music: Non-Prince focuses on musical people who aren't Prince, but there's a specific rule there that people can only talk about music-related topics; to discuss non-music topics about those artists, orgers are instructed to go elsewhere (in that case, the General Discussion area).

What makes sense about throwing Prince's personal associations into General Discussion? General Discussion is just that - general - not Prince related. Are you just trying to dump something into a forum you don't use? Do you ever post in GD?

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disch said:

No, I wasn't suggesting the conversations about Prince's love life go into GD. I was simpy pointing out, in response to another discussion in this thread about trying to split apart "personal" tallk from "music/professional" talk, that such a split is in effect in the Non-Prince forum and it looks like people adhere to it.

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IF such a split were instituted in this section, the "love life" talk would probably be contained to a particular thread(s) not a separate section entirely (unless the mods wanted to start a whole separate section about Prince's love life).

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I'm not saying it would work well in this section to do that, just that the split-by-subject principle is in effect in that other section already.

poppys said:

What makes sense about throwing Prince's personal associations into General Discussion? General Discussion is just that - general - not Prince related. Are you just trying to dump something into a forum you don't use? Do you ever post in GD?

[Edited 5/15/18 7:05am]

I still don't understand why there is so much talk of "containment" when it comes to discussions of Prince's relationships, especially when that is such a storied part of his legend and mystique. It's simply not possible to examine Prince's full story without looking closely at his relationships, both professional and romantic. Just as there were different hairstyles and fashions during different eras, there were also relationships. I have to wonder if the goal is really to "contain" the discussion of all of his relationships...or just some of them.

I think that containing the talk about his love life is for the same reason that the mods contain talk of other topics (no, not "censor." This is a message board and "censorship" doesn't really apply. And no, not to treat people like victims in the Salem Witch Trials. If someone really feels that posting here is like being hanged or burned alive, they should really find a new hobby!).

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This has already been explained to you a few times, and you become very angry about it but here it goes again: The idea around containing is to make this a welcoming enviroment for ALL orgers, not just those interested in one particular topic. I don't think it shows a lot of community spirit to say that you will create and keep alive thread after thread about the same topic, and demand that everyone else wade your particular favorite threads to find what they are looking for (or else see their threads fall down/off the page quickly).

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It's called being a considerate community member and thoughtful of everyone's varied interests (whether or not those interests have are centered around Prince's personal romantic and sexual habits). I'm perfectly willing to contain topics I'm interested in to one thread to make the community easier and more enjoyable for others. It's hard for me to understand why someone would refuse to do that.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

No, I wasn't suggesting the conversations about Prince's love life go into GD. I was simpy pointing out, in response to another discussion in this thread about trying to split apart "personal" tallk from "music/professional" talk, that such a split is in effect in the Non-Prince forum and it looks like people adhere to it.

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IF such a split were instituted in this section, the "love life" talk would probably be contained to a particular thread(s) not a separate section entirely (unless the mods wanted to start a whole separate section about Prince's love life).

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I'm not saying it would work well in this section to do that, just that the split-by-subject principle is in effect in that other section already.

I still don't understand why there is so much talk of "containment" when it comes to discussions of Prince's relationships, especially when that is such a storied part of his legend and mystique. It's simply not possible to examine Prince's full story without looking closely at his relationships, both professional and romantic. Just as there were different hairstyles and fashions during different eras, there were also relationships. I have to wonder if the goal is really to "contain" the discussion of all of his relationships...or just some of them.

disch said:

I think that containing the talk about his love life is for the same reason that the mods contain talk of other topics (no, not "censor." This is a message board and "censorship" doesn't really apply. And no, not to treat people like victims in the Salem Witch Trials. If someone really feels that posting here is like being hanged or burned alive, they should really find a new hobby!).

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This has already been explained to you a few times, and you become very angry about it but here it goes again: The idea around containing is to make this a welcoming enviroment for ALL orgers, not just those interested in one particular topic. I don't think it shows a lot of community spirit to say that you will create and keep alive thread after thread about the same topic, and demand that everyone else wade your particular favorite threads to find what they are looking for (or else see their threads fall down/off the page quickly).

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It's called being a considerate community member and thoughtful of everyone's varied interests (whether or not those interests have are centered around Prince's personal romantic and sexual habits). I'm perfectly willing to contain topics I'm interested in to one thread to make the community easier and more enjoyable for others. It's hard for me to understand why someone would refuse to do that.

FlyOnTheWall said:

I still don't understand why there is so much talk of "containment" when it comes to discussions of Prince's relationships, especially when that is such a storied part of his legend and mystique. It's simply not possible to examine Prince's full story without looking closely at his relationships, both professional and romantic. Just as there were different hairstyles and fashions during different eras, there were also relationships. I have to wonder if the goal is really to "contain" the discussion of all of his relationships...or just some of them.

For some reason, you have a tendency to mischaracterize me. I have never, ever written or inquired about Prince's "sexual habits." As I've said previously, I'm interested in relationships. And, when have I been "very angry"? I wrote in all caps during a recent exchange with benni, but I was not angry. I was exasperated...and I did not start that curious melee.

And, why does posting about my interests make me an "(in)considerate community member"? Everyone else posts about their interests. Are they not being considerate community members?

Also, for the record, before my threads about Prince and Andy were routinely locked and erased, I never had more than one active thread. But, eventually, as each one was removed, I started another one. I guess you could say that since there seems to be a determined effort to erase that particular Prince relationship, which was a major part of his last years and final musical output, it has made me all the more determined to document it here on Prince.org. For instance, most recently, even a wonderful Superconductor Appreciation Thread, centered around the music and lyrics--and started by someone else--was even removed. Why don't you speak out on that shameful phenomenon, disch?

Why are we beating around the bush here? Fly and her alters are blotting out the sun on every thread. Continuing to argue minutiae is co-dependent. Are posters/the site getting paid for clicks here? Because it will change my viewing style.

poppys said:

Why are we beating around the bush here? Fly and her alters are blotting out the sun on every thread. Continuing to argue minutiae is co-dependent. Are posters/the site getting paid for clicks here? Because it will change my viewing style.