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Thread started 05/10/18 9:05am

OldFriends4Sale

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All these Women threads

This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth...
.
Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.

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Reply #1 posted 05/10/18 9:10am

luv4u

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yeahthat

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Reply #2 posted 05/10/18 9:51am

anangellooksdown

YAY! Finally!
I am ALL for it.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #3 posted 05/10/18 10:08am

PennyPurple

Tired of it too!


There should be a thread titled, The good, the bad, and the ugly, all about _____________ (what ever name).

Reply #4 posted 05/10/18 10:29am

FlyOnTheWall

As long as this new "reality" is evenly applied across the board, this should be a good thing. nod

Reply #5 posted 05/10/18 10:51am

rogifan

How about one thread per associate where news, video, social medial etc. can be posted. Would be much better than 5 different threads about something Andy or Mayte did/said.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #6 posted 05/10/18 10:52am

pinkcashmere23

rogifan said:

How about one thread per associate where news, video, social medial etc. can be posted. Would be much better than 5 different threads about something Andy or Mayte did/said.

That's a good idea.

Reply #7 posted 05/10/18 11:18am

cloveringold85

rogifan said:

How about one thread per associate where news, video, social medial etc. can be posted. Would be much better than 5 different threads about something Andy or Mayte did/said.

.

Wooo, sounds like an excellent idea!

.

One thread only to talk about whoeva!!

.

Yes! yes

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #8 posted 05/10/18 12:17pm

purplemist7777

OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand.  Just a lot of petty back in forth...
.
Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.


Great! This is not AA.org
Reply #9 posted 05/10/18 12:33pm

disch

Just create a new section entirely called "Prince's Lovers" where ostensibly adult people who have a LOT of time on their hands can get in touch with their inner seventh grader by bickering over who was prince's "soul mate," the hidden message of a tweet in 2014, the secret code in the shirt so-and-so was wearing on that one day 5 years ago, etc.

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Then restrict the associates section to discussion of music and other professional work by people with some Prince connection, whether they were romantically entangled or not.

purplemist7777 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth...
.
Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.

Great! This is not AA.org

Reply #10 posted 05/10/18 12:34pm

pinkcashmere23

purplemist7777 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth...
.
Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.

Great! This is not AA.org

There are multiple posts about a few of the other female associates too. It is kind of confusing and a bit hard to follow.

Reply #11 posted 05/10/18 12:57pm

anangellooksdown

pinkcashmere23 said:

 



rogifan said:


How about one thread per associate where news, video, social medial etc. can be posted. Would be much better than 5 different threads about something Andy or Mayte did/said.

That's a good idea.



No it isn’t.
It would then become a “competition” for you and Fly to see which thread can get the most clicks.
You’re always thinking ahead, aren’t you?
Lol...
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #12 posted 05/10/18 12:57pm

anangellooksdown

disch said:

Just create a new section entirely called "Prince's Lovers" where ostensibly adult people who have a LOT of time on their hands can get in touch with their inner seventh grader by bickering over who was prince's "soul mate," the hidden message of a tweet in 2014, the secret code in the shirt so-and-so was wearing on that one day 5 years ago, etc.


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Then restrict the associates section to discussion of music and other professional work by people with some Prince connection, whether they were romantically entangled or not.



purplemist7777 said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand.  Just a lot of petty back in forth...
.
Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.



Great! This is not AA.org

 




lol lol lol
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #13 posted 05/10/18 1:09pm

pinkcashmere23

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

That's a good idea.

No it isn’t. It would then become a “competition” for you and Fly to see which thread can get the most clicks. You’re always thinking ahead, aren’t you? Lol...

I have never created one thread on any of the forums. Most of the threads about Andy were created by Latin.I believe that Fly started three and the other two, including the Superconductor Appreciation thread were by other posters.

Reply #14 posted 05/10/18 1:11pm

purplemist7777

disch said:

Just create a new section entirely called "Prince's Lovers" where ostensibly adult people who have a LOT of time on their hands can get in touch with their inner seventh grader by bickering over who was prince's "soul mate," the hidden message of a tweet in 2014, the secret code in the shirt so-and-so was wearing on that one day 5 years ago, etc.


-


Then restrict the associates section to discussion of music and other professional work by people with some Prince connection, whether they were romantically entangled or not.



purplemist7777 said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand.  Just a lot of petty back in forth...
.
Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.



Great! This is not AA.org

 


There should be a separate section for Wives...not lump Mayte and Mani with all his protégés.
Reply #15 posted 05/10/18 1:11pm

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said: No it isn’t. It would then become a “competition” for you and Fly to see which thread can get the most clicks. You’re always thinking ahead, aren’t you? Lol...

I have never created one thread on any of the forums. Most of the threads about Andy were created by Latin.I believe that Fly started three and the other two, including the Superconductor Appreciation thread were by other posters.

And, the one about Andy's love letter was also posted by someone else.

Reply #16 posted 05/10/18 1:16pm

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I have never created one thread on any of the forums. Most of the threads about Andy were created by Latin.I believe that Fly started three and the other two, including the Superconductor Appreciation thread were by other posters.

And, the one about Andy's love letter was also posted by someone else.

Yes,I think it was by purplerabbithole.

Reply #17 posted 05/10/18 1:21pm

disch

It's not all that confusing. I don't think there's more than 2 threads on the first page about any one associated. Exept for andy allo. She has 7.

-

But the bigger problem is that "associate" has come to mean "girlfriend/wife" instead of professional collaborator, and the discussions are all about his personal relationships with these women, rather than professional.

-

For example, the discussion of Janelle monae's excellent new album is in the "non-prince music" section. Would she not be considered an "associate"? what's the definition? if the definition is "lover/protegee" then just call this section that.

pinkcashmere23 said:

purplemist7777 said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Great! This is not AA.org

There are multiple posts about a few of the other female associates too. It is kind of confusing and a bit hard to follow.

Reply #18 posted 05/10/18 1:22pm

Krystalkisses

I love the Prince girls. biggrin
Reply #19 posted 05/10/18 1:25pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

disch said:

Just create a new section entirely called "Prince's Lovers" where ostensibly adult people who have a LOT of time on their hands can get in touch with their inner seventh grader by bickering over who was prince's "soul mate," the hidden message of a tweet in 2014, the secret code in the shirt so-and-so was wearing on that one day 5 years ago, etc.

-

Then restrict the associates section to discussion of music and other professional work by people with some Prince connection, whether they were romantically entangled or not.



jester

Reply #20 posted 05/10/18 1:37pm

precioux

purplemist7777 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth...
.
Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.

Great! This is not AA.org

No, this section is PPP.org...Prince's Purple Pu$$y.org cool wink

Reply #21 posted 05/10/18 1:43pm

ThatWhiteDude

PennyPurple said:

Tired of it too!



There should be a thread titled, The good, the bad, and the ugly, all about _____ (what ever name). 


yeahthat
"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #22 posted 05/10/18 1:44pm

anangellooksdown

pinkcashmere23 said:

 



anangellooksdown said:


pinkcashmere23 said:

 


That's a good idea.



No it isn’t. It would then become a “competition” for you and Fly to see which thread can get the most clicks. You’re always thinking ahead, aren’t you? Lol...

I have never created one thread on any of the forums. Most of the threads about Andy were created by Latin.I believe that Fly started three and the other two, including the Superconductor Appreciation thread were by other posters. 



Oh, yes. You are SO innocent.
Lol...
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #23 posted 05/10/18 1:56pm

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

It's not all that confusing. I don't think there's more than 2 threads on the first page about any one associated. Exept for andy allo. She has 7.

-

But the bigger problem is that "associate" has come to mean "girlfriend/wife" instead of professional collaborator, and the discussions are all about his personal relationships with these women, rather than professional.

-

For example, the discussion of Janelle monae's excellent new album is in the "non-prince music" section. Would she not be considered an "associate"? what's the definition? if the definition is "lover/protegee" then just call this section that.

pinkcashmere23 said:

There are multiple posts about a few of the other female associates too. It is kind of confusing and a bit hard to follow.

For some reason, Andy is always singled out by certain people. For the record, there are presently seven (7) active Mayte threads...and that's just on the first two pages. There are five-six Vanity/Denise threads. And, presently, Natalya, who is not even technically a Prince protege, has at least three active threads.

Reply #24 posted 05/10/18 2:12pm

disch

This section isn't supposed to be restricted to "prince protegees" (however you define that). It's about "associates." Those can be men, women, professional, friendly, romantic, etc. And it's not some competition between these women to see who can have the most threads, posts, views, etc. i mean, honestly.

-

And yes page 1 of this section has 7 andy allo threads, in which the same couple posters are just talking about whatever stuff they always talk about (as oppposed to the actual subject of the thread).

disch said:

It's not all that confusing. I don't think there's more than 2 threads on the first page about any one associated. Exept for andy allo. She has 7.

-

But the bigger problem is that "associate" has come to mean "girlfriend/wife" instead of professional collaborator, and the discussions are all about his personal relationships with these women, rather than professional.

-

For example, the discussion of Janelle monae's excellent new album is in the "non-prince music" section. Would she not be considered an "associate"? what's the definition? if the definition is "lover/protegee" then just call this section that.

For some reason, Andy is always singled out by certain people. For the record, there are presently seven (7) active Mayte threads...and that's just on the first two pages. There are five-six Vanity/Denise threads. And, presently, Natalya, who is not even technically a Prince protege, has at least three active threads.

Reply #25 posted 05/10/18 2:20pm

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

This section isn't supposed to be restricted to "prince protegees" (however you define that). It's about "associates." Those can be men, women, professional, friendly, romantic, etc. And it's not some competition between these women to see who can have the most threads, posts, views, etc. i mean, honestly.

-

And yes page 1 of this section has 7 andy allo threads, in which the same couple posters are just talking about whatever stuff they always talk about (as oppposed to the actual subject of the thread).

For some reason, Andy is always singled out by certain people. For the record, there are presently seven (7) active Mayte threads...and that's just on the first two pages. There are five-six Vanity/Denise threads. And, presently, Natalya, who is not even technically a Prince protege, has at least three active threads.

No, it's not a competition, but it was YOU who singled out Andy Allo for a thread count....and I responded to YOUR reply. And, now that I have pointed out that there are multiple threads for several Prince associates, you want to conveniently forget counting.

Also, BTW, there are Andy threads that were started by FOUR different Orgers...and there are NUMEROUS responders on each. I don't know why you want to make it seem like there are only three Orgers interested in AA, but it's just not true.

Reply #26 posted 05/10/18 2:39pm

disch

Fly, most of the responders on the Andy Allo threads who aren't one of the 3 usual suspects are people trying to talk some sense into the 3 usual suspects (well, primarily you, frankly) about what reads as an obsession. There aren't heaps of people eagerly joining your conversations about, say, the meaning of that ring andy wore in that one picture.

-

And, yes, the 7 threads were started by a couple different people, besides the 3 you started. For example, one was started by a moderator to as a retort to you when you were complaining that you were being prevented from having the full quantity of active andy allo threads that you felt entitled to.

-

But it's all moot because the moderators have some plan to clean up this section and good for them!

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

This section isn't supposed to be restricted to "prince protegees" (however you define that). It's about "associates." Those can be men, women, professional, friendly, romantic, etc. And it's not some competition between these women to see who can have the most threads, posts, views, etc. i mean, honestly.

-

And yes page 1 of this section has 7 andy allo threads, in which the same couple posters are just talking about whatever stuff they always talk about (as oppposed to the actual subject of the thread).

No, it's not a competition, but it was YOU who singled out Andy Allo for a thread count....and I responded to YOUR reply. And, now that I have pointed out that there are multiple threads for several Prince associates, you want to conveniently forget counting.

Also, BTW, there are Andy threads that were started by FOUR different Orgers...and there are NUMEROUS responders on each. I don't know why you want to make it seem like there are only three Orgers interested in AA, but it's just not true.

Reply #27 posted 05/10/18 2:42pm

endiadj

disch said:

It's not all that confusing. I don't think there's more than 2 threads on the first page about any one associated. Exept for andy allo. She has 7.


-


But the bigger problem is that "associate" has come to mean "girlfriend/wife" instead of professional collaborator, and the discussions are all about his personal relationships with these women, rather than professional.


-


For example, the discussion of Janelle monae's excellent new album is in the "non-prince music" section. Would she not be considered an "associate"? what's the definition? if the definition is "lover/protegee" then just call this section that.



pinkcashmere23 said:


 



purplemist7777 said:


OldFriends4Sale said: Great! This is not AA.org

There are multiple posts about a few of the other female associates too. It is kind of confusing and a bit hard to follow.



 


Mayt e has 4.
Reply #28 posted 05/10/18 2:48pm

SoulAlive

clapping yeah,I'm tired of all these gossipy "women threads".Let's focus more on the music by associated artists.

Reply #29 posted 05/10/18 2:51pm

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

Fly, most of the responders on the Andy Allo threads who aren't one of the 3 usual suspects are people trying to talk some sense into the 3 usual suspects (well, primarily you, frankly) about what reads as an obsession. There aren't heaps of people eagerly joining your conversations about, say, the meaning of that ring andy wore in that one picture.

-

And, yes, the 7 threads were started by a couple different people, besides the 3 you started. For example, one was started by a moderator to as a retort to you when you were complaining that you were being prevented from having the full quantity of active andy allo threads that you felt entitled to.

-

But it's all moot because the moderators have some plan to clean up this section and good for them!

FlyOnTheWall said:

No, it's not a competition, but it was YOU who singled out Andy Allo for a thread count....and I responded to YOUR reply. And, now that I have pointed out that there are multiple threads for several Prince associates, you want to conveniently forget counting.

Also, BTW, there are Andy threads that were started by FOUR different Orgers...and there are NUMEROUS responders on each. I don't know why you want to make it seem like there are only three Orgers interested in AA, but it's just not true.

That's just not true. Of course, there are two-three Orgers who come on every single Andy thread hurling insults, unfounded rumors, and profanity, but somehow they are the sensible ones in your story. Besides those Orgers, there are numerous other participants in the threads.

It is also important to note that you could say the same thing about threads about Mayte, Vanity, etc: There is a core group of Orgers who keep them going. But, none of them are hounded like Andy enthusiasts.

And, I'll not wade into the moderator quagmire, beyond saying that my major issue is (and remains) the erasure of wonderfully informative threads on Prince and Andy, which, btw, translates to archival information on the final years of his life. You would think such information would be welcome on Prince.org.

Reply #30 posted 05/10/18 2:52pm

SoulAlive

Let's get some more threads about Morris Day and The Time,Mazarati,Jesse Johnson,etc......where their music is being discussed and analyzed! Isn't that better than focusing on all the women that Prince slept with? hmmm

Reply #31 posted 05/10/18 3:00pm

anangellooksdown

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



disch said:


Fly, most of the responders on the Andy Allo threads who aren't one of the 3 usual suspects are people trying to talk some sense into the 3 usual suspects (well, primarily you, frankly) about what reads as an obsession. There aren't heaps of people eagerly joining your conversations about, say, the meaning of that ring andy wore in that one picture.


-


And, yes, the 7 threads were started by a couple different people, besides the 3 you started. For example, one was started by a moderator to as a retort to you when you were complaining that you were being prevented from having the full quantity of active andy allo threads that you felt entitled to.


-


But it's all moot because the moderators have some plan to clean up this section and good for them!



FlyOnTheWall said:


 


No, it's not a competition, but it was YOU who singled out Andy Allo for a thread count....and I responded to YOUR reply. And, now that I have pointed out that there are multiple threads for several Prince associates, you want to conveniently forget counting.

Also, BTW, there are Andy threads that were started by FOUR different Orgers...and there are NUMEROUS responders on each. I don't know why you want to make it seem like there are only three Orgers interested in AA, but it's just not true.



 



That's just not true. Of course, there are two-three Orgers who come on every single Andy thread hurling insults, unfounded rumors, and profanity, but somehow they are the sensible ones in your story. Besides those Orgers, there are numerous other participants in the threads.

It is also important to note that you could say the same thing about threads about Mayte, Vanity, etc: There is a core group of Orgers who keep them going. But, none of them are hounded like Andy enthusiasts. 

And, I'll not wade into the moderator quagmire, beyond saying that my major issue is (and remains) the erasure of wonderfully informative threads on Prince and Andy, which, btw, translates to archival information on the final years of his life. You would think such information would be welcome on Prince.org.



Only one person uses profanity (although I said “bullsh*t” once, and what I said on a certain thread was not an u founded rumor.
I have spoken at length with someone who had a longterm relationship with him during 2011-2012, and whom he pursued until mid-2013.
The unfounded rumor was the one Pink put there today.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #32 posted 05/10/18 3:03pm

anangellooksdown

By the way, all I will say was, that Prince was ONE SEXY MF.
So you girls who’ve been dreaming...
Keep doing so.
He is JUST as u imagined. smile love love2 kisses hug oral
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #33 posted 05/10/18 3:08pm

PennyPurple

And the posters who are over running this thread are 1 of the reasons this has become such a problem. You know who you 2 are.

Reply #34 posted 05/10/18 3:10pm

FlyOnTheWall

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

That's just not true. Of course, there are two-three Orgers who come on every single Andy thread hurling insults, unfounded rumors, and profanity, but somehow they are the sensible ones in your story. Besides those Orgers, there are numerous other participants in the threads.

It is also important to note that you could say the same thing about threads about Mayte, Vanity, etc: There is a core group of Orgers who keep them going. But, none of them are hounded like Andy enthusiasts.

And, I'll not wade into the moderator quagmire, beyond saying that my major issue is (and remains) the erasure of wonderfully informative threads on Prince and Andy, which, btw, translates to archival information on the final years of his life. You would think such information would be welcome on Prince.org.

Only one person uses profanity (although I said “bullsh*t” once, and what I said on a certain thread was not an u founded rumor. I have spoken at length with someone who had a longterm relationship with him during 2011-2012, and whom he pursued until mid-2013. The unfounded rumor was the one Pink put there today.

I hate to break it to you, angel, but that is what is called an unfounded rumor. And, I saw the rumor that pink posted, which she indicated is a rumor that should be taken with a grain of salt. But, at least she could point us (actually, it was YOU) to the Twitter post where it was written. You can't even give us that with your recycled LSA tales...and you have the nerve to insist that the drivel you spout is factual...and that you are privy to some exclusive secret about P's love life. You never cease to amaze me.

Reply #35 posted 05/10/18 3:21pm

pinkcashmere23

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

That's just not true. Of course, there are two-three Orgers who come on every single Andy thread hurling insults, unfounded rumors, and profanity, but somehow they are the sensible ones in your story. Besides those Orgers, there are numerous other participants in the threads.

It is also important to note that you could say the same thing about threads about Mayte, Vanity, etc: There is a core group of Orgers who keep them going. But, none of them are hounded like Andy enthusiasts.

And, I'll not wade into the moderator quagmire, beyond saying that my major issue is (and remains) the erasure of wonderfully informative threads on Prince and Andy, which, btw, translates to archival information on the final years of his life. You would think such information would be welcome on Prince.org.

Only one person uses profanity (although I said “bullsh*t” once, and what I said on a certain thread was not an u founded rumor. I have spoken at length with someone who had a longterm relationship with him during 2011-2012, and whom he pursued until mid-2013. The unfounded rumor was the one Pink put there today.

I didn't post the rumor until sharpie asked. I thought that most fans on social media would know what I was referring to since the Prince fan group that posted the article is well known and widely followed.As I said earlier I take rumors that I have read online such as the one about T&C with a grain of salt.Unless something comes from someone I know was close to him such as Hannah Welton,Shelby or Elisa for instance,I am skeptical about what to believe.

Reply #36 posted 05/10/18 3:31pm

SoulAlive

This forum is a mess.There is too much focus on all the women that Prince slept with....too much tabloid garbage.
Reply #37 posted 05/10/18 3:32pm

SoulAlive

rogifan said:

How about one thread per associate where news, video, social medial etc. can be posted. Would be much better than 5 different threads about something Andy or Mayte did/said.


This is a good idea
Reply #38 posted 05/10/18 3:35pm

anangellooksdown

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



anangellooksdown said:


FlyOnTheWall said:

 


That's just not true. Of course, there are two-three Orgers who come on every single Andy thread hurling insults, unfounded rumors, and profanity, but somehow they are the sensible ones in your story. Besides those Orgers, there are numerous other participants in the threads.

It is also important to note that you could say the same thing about threads about Mayte, Vanity, etc: There is a core group of Orgers who keep them going. But, none of them are hounded like Andy enthusiasts. 

And, I'll not wade into the moderator quagmire, beyond saying that my major issue is (and remains) the erasure of wonderfully informative threads on Prince and Andy, which, btw, translates to archival information on the final years of his life. You would think such information would be welcome on Prince.org.



Only one person uses profanity (although I said “bullsh*t” once, and what I said on a certain thread was not an u founded rumor. I have spoken at length with someone who had a longterm relationship with him during 2011-2012, and whom he pursued until mid-2013. The unfounded rumor was the one Pink put there today.

I hate to break it to you, angel, but that is what is called an unfounded rumor. And, I saw the rumor that pink posted, which she indicated is a rumor that should be taken with a grain of salt. But, at least she could point us (actually, it was YOU) to the Twitter post where it was written. You can't even give us that with your recycled LSA tales...and you have the nerve to insist that the drivel you spout is factual...and that you are privy to some exclusive secret about P's love life. You never cease to amaze me. 



You’re not saying that I am incapable of discerning whether something is true, are you?.
Ok. Choose to believe it or not...
It happened.
Obviously I am not going to divulge to anyone who the woman is. I gave my word and will never go back on it.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #39 posted 05/10/18 3:35pm

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said: Only one person uses profanity (although I said “bullsh*t” once, and what I said on a certain thread was not an u founded rumor. I have spoken at length with someone who had a longterm relationship with him during 2011-2012, and whom he pursued until mid-2013. The unfounded rumor was the one Pink put there today.

I hate to break it to you, angel, but that is what is called an unfounded rumor. And, I saw the rumor that pink posted, which she indicated is a rumor that should be taken with a grain of salt. But, at least she could point us (actually, it was YOU) to the Twitter post where it was written. You can't even give us that with your recycled LSA tales...and you have the nerve to insist that the drivel you spout is factual...and that you are privy to some exclusive secret about P's love life. You never cease to amaze me.

Thanks Fly! I actually was wondering myself where the rumor originated from and sharpieheartz posted the link to the source.

Reply #40 posted 05/10/18 3:37pm

SoulAlive

On page one of this forum,there are hardly any threads about any of the *male* associates...it’s just thread after thread about Andy,Mayte,etc....the same,tired discussions going on and on and on.
Reply #41 posted 05/10/18 3:40pm

anangellooksdown

SoulAlive said:

On page one of this forum,there are hardly any threads about any of the *male* associates...it’s just thread after thread about Andy,Mayte,etc....the same,tired discussions going on and on and on.


There are SO many interesting male associates.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #42 posted 05/10/18 3:40pm

SoulAlive

OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand.  Just a lot of petty back in forth...
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Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.



hey,can you do a few those in-depth threads where you focus on a specific album? How about the Mazarati album? I enjoy those discussions smile we gotta get this forum back on track.
Reply #43 posted 05/10/18 3:41pm

FlyOnTheWall

anangellooksdown said:

By the way, all I will say was, that Prince was ONE SEXY MF. So you girls who’ve been dreaming... Keep doing so. He is JUST as u imagined. smile love love2 kisses hug oral

hmph!

Reply #44 posted 05/10/18 3:44pm

FlyOnTheWall

SoulAlive said:

On page one of this forum,there are hardly any threads about any of the *male* associates...it’s just thread after thread about Andy,Mayte,etc....the same,tired discussions going on and on and on.

SoulAlive, more people should start (and maintain) threads about what interests them. That is the only way to assure a more diverse selection of topics.

[Edited 5/10/18 15:54pm]

Reply #45 posted 05/10/18 4:07pm

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

SoulAlive said:

On page one of this forum,there are hardly any threads about any of the *male* associates...it’s just thread after thread about Andy,Mayte,etc....the same,tired discussions going on and on and on.

SoulAlive, more people should start (and maintain) threads about what interests them. That is the only way to assure a more diverse selection of topics.

[Edited 5/10/18 15:54pm]

That's very true. I appreciate that Latin has been posting about a variety of topics such as upcoming events and several of the associated artists projects.

Reply #46 posted 05/10/18 4:15pm

SoulAlive

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



SoulAlive said:


On page one of this forum,there are hardly any threads about any of the *male* associates...it’s just thread after thread about Andy,Mayte,etc....the same,tired discussions going on and on and on.

SoulAlive, more people should start (and maintain) threads about what interests them. That is the only way to assure a more diverse selection of topics.



Good point,but I just think that there are too many “gossipy” threads in this forum and it’s always about the female protégés.A lot of these threads are about personal things that have nothing to do with their music.

Reply #47 posted 05/10/18 4:22pm

SoulAlive

disch said:

Just create a new section entirely called "Prince's Lovers" where ostensibly adult people who have a LOT of time on their hands can get in touch with their inner seventh grader by bickering over who was prince's "soul mate," the hidden message of a tweet in 2014, the secret code in the shirt so-and-so was wearing on that one day 5 years ago, etc.

Then restrict the associates section to discussion of music and other professional work by people with some Prince connection, whether they were romantically entangled or not.


^^THIS
Reply #48 posted 05/10/18 4:35pm

FlyOnTheWall

SoulAlive said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

SoulAlive, more people should start (and maintain) threads about what interests them. That is the only way to assure a more diverse selection of topics.

Good point,but I just think that there are too many “gossipy” threads in this forum and it’s always about the female protégés.A lot of these threads are about personal things that have nothing to do with their music.

The nature of Prince's music (the lyrics) make it virtually impossible to dissect them without talking about emotions and intimacy. Have you ever considered that? And, even when we try to talk about the music, there is a band of Orgers who are allowed to consistently veer the threads off topic with personal attacks and profanity.

For instance, there was an excellent Superconductor appreciation thread started by another Orger that was going very well. The focus was on lyrics, photos, interviews, and articles about the album...but once again, the lyrics are deeply personal and it's impossible to discuss them without talking about them relative to Prince and Andy's relationship. Still, I would say that 75-80 percent of that thread is/was about the lyrics, interviews, and pictures. Now, that thread has been removed. I'm told that it will be brought back, but all we can do is wait and see.

In the end, it is important to remember that different people have different interests. Some Orgers are musicians, so they crave threads about the technical aspects of Prince's music and musicianship. Others want to talk about the vault and upcoming releases. Still others are focused on estate matters, so they tend to head directly to those threads. Then there are those who want to talk and read about the investigation and the recent document dump.

Personally, I will sometimes dip into/lurk on threads about all of the topics I've mentioned, but I am most interested in Prince's final years and his last music, of which Andy Allo is a large part. Some are interested in the earlier years, the music and relationships, so they are more interested in Susannah, Vanity, Cat, etc. Then there are those who can't get enough information about his marriages and the music that they inspired. Thus, those Orgers are drawn to discussions about Mayte and Manuela.

Because of my primary interest level, the music and relationships from 2011-2016, I made the conscious choice to create threads and post information that I find noteworthy...and important...and engage in discussion with others with similar interests...which leaves little time for worrying about what is going down on those threads about which I'm less interested...and on which I seldom click. As a result, I am constantly bullied and ridiculed for, basically, staying in my lane. Do you think that is fair?

[Edited 5/10/18 17:15pm]

Reply #49 posted 05/10/18 4:48pm

SoulAlive

disch said:

page 1 of this section has 7 andy allo threads


Yep,and that’s absurd.
Reply #50 posted 05/10/18 4:58pm

rogifan

SoulAlive said:

This forum is a mess.There is too much focus on all the women that Prince slept with....too much tabloid garbage.

This.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #51 posted 05/10/18 7:26pm

babynoz

SoulAlive said:

Let's get some more threads about Morris Day and The Time,Mazarati,Jesse Johnson,etc......where their music is being discussed and analyzed! Isn't that better than focusing on all the women that Prince slept with? hmmm



Agreed. I BEEN sick and tired of every turd these bobble heads drop on social media getting its own thread. lol


The only other time I saw this many damn catfights was when the biggest pimp in our old neighborhood died and his hoes were ALL trying to out-do each other at the funeral. True Story.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #52 posted 05/10/18 7:42pm

Krystalkisses

anangellooksdown said:

By the way, all I will say was, that Prince was ONE SEXY MF. So you girls who’ve been dreaming... Keep doing so. He is JUST as u imagined. smile love love2 kisses hug oral

lol

Reply #53 posted 05/10/18 8:01pm

Asenath

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

Reply #54 posted 05/10/18 8:02pm

Asenath

SoulAlive said:

Let's get some more threads about Morris Day and The Time,Mazarati,Jesse Johnson,etc......where their music is being discussed and analyzed! Isn't that better than focusing on all the women that Prince slept with? hmmm

What/who's stopping you from starting such a thread?

Reply #55 posted 05/10/18 8:22pm

SoulAlive

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site?  Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread?  So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?



but don’t you get tired of bickering about which woman was truly Prince’s “soulmate”? Or dissecting and analyzing a very personal letter that Andy sent to Prince? nuts
Reply #56 posted 05/10/18 8:27pm

SoulAlive

Asenath said:

 



SoulAlive said:


Let's get some more threads about Morris Day and The Time,Mazarati,Jesse Johnson,etc.....where their music is being discussed and analyzed! Isn't that better than focusing on all the women that Prince slept with?  hmmm  



 


What/who's stopping you from starting such a thread?



I’ve done threads like that in the past but unfortunately,they get buried underneath all of the “gossip” threads confused I’ll try again,though.
[Edited 5/10/18 20:27pm]
Reply #57 posted 05/10/18 8:28pm

disch

The moderators didn't say anything about "censoring thoughts and ideas." A few people (me included) posted our ideas about what should be done and they're pretty much all a variation of containing these repetitive girlfriend discussions to one thread, section, etc. Pretty similar to what the mods do now witih death-theory talk (direct it all to the one sticky and lock up any additional threads).

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

Reply #58 posted 05/10/18 8:45pm

SoulAlive

^^One sticky thread devoted to all the girlfriends is a great idea.That way,the forum won’t get flooded with a ton of gossipy/women threads.
Reply #59 posted 05/10/18 9:16pm

pinkcashmere23

SoulAlive said:

^^One sticky thread devoted to all the girlfriends is a great idea.That way,the forum won’t get flooded with a ton of gossipy/women threads.

i think What rogifan proposed would work better.One thread per associate artist/woman. It would be confusing to discuss them all in one thread.

Reply #60 posted 05/10/18 10:49pm

upinclouds

pinkcashmere23 said:

 



SoulAlive said:


^^One sticky thread devoted to all the girlfriends is a great idea.That way,the forum won’t get flooded with a ton of gossipy/women threads.

i think What rogifan proposed would work better.One thread per associate artist/woman. It would be confusing to discuss them all in one thread.



yes nod hammer thumbs up! clapping
cloud9
Reply #61 posted 05/11/18 1:34am

benni

I think there needs to be another forum: Prince and the Women He Loved

Leave Associated artists & people as "ex-bandmembers, ex-employees, people he collaborated with" instead of "ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."

It is hard to come to this forum to look for information on band members when the number of threads discussing Prince's love life, who Prince loved more, which woman was The One, etc., seems to be the majority of threads over here.

Much of what is talked about in each of the threads involving the exes are the same pictures, the same articles, getting rehashed in each thread as proof to show this is who he loved more.

Personally, I think each of the women brought something to Prince and made him happy while they were together, and none of them were the LOVE of his life. I think they all were loved deeply at various times. I think he continued to care for all of them after the relationships ended, in the same way that we tend to care for those that we were involved with, after the relationships ended. At first, there may be some anger, confusion, and hurt feelings, but as time goes on, those feelings eventually mellow out and we tend to remember the better times more than we do the bad. We don't spend our lives (or at least I hope no one does, because that would be a very painful existence) lamenting the loss of the one that got away and pining after them for the rest of our lives. We may think of them from time to time, but we let them go and we move on with our lives and we meet someone else who we give all of our love to. The whole idea that Prince spent his time pining after this woman or that, that he never moved on from this woman or that one, I don't know how anyone could wish that kind of torment and pain on Prince. And if he were to have done that, that's not love, that's obsession and that is not healthy (nor romantic).

It's like the whole Mani episode, a lot of people blame Mani for the split from Mayte because she moved in on a married man. It takes two to tangle. If Prince were not open to cheating on Mayte, then Mani wouldn't have gotten close to him. Period. He was not innocent in that scenario. And Vanity/Denise was heavy into drugs, and if you've ever been around anyone that uses drugs like that, they have very unhealthy relationships. And Mayte was young when they met and was not fully developed emotionally, nor mentally, and as we all do, we change as we grow up and discover who we want to be as an adult. Those relationships from youth tend to be very emotional, needy, dependent, until we gain the maturity of handling a real relationship and it becomes more refined. None of the relationships Prince had were perfect. Each of them had their issues and Prince wasn't innocent. But people want to romanticize the women that Prince dated, married, had sex with. Prince was someone, when he moved on, he moved on. Too bad his fans couldn't.

Reply #62 posted 05/11/18 2:04am

anangellooksdown

benni said:

I think there needs to be another forum:  Prince and the Women He Loved

Leave Associated artists & people as "ex-bandmembers, ex-employees, people he collaborated with" instead of "ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."

It is hard to come to this forum to look for information on band members when the number of threads discussing Prince's love life, who Prince loved more, which woman was The One, etc., seems to be the majority of threads over here.

Much of what is talked about in each of the threads involving the exes are the same pictures, the same articles, getting rehashed in each thread as proof to show this is who he loved more.

Personally, I think each of the women brought something to Prince and made him happy while they were together, and none of them were the LOVE of his life.  I think they all were loved deeply at various times.  I think he continued to care for all of them after the relationships ended, in the same way that we tend to care for those that we were involved with, after the relationships ended.  At first, there may be some anger, confusion, and hurt feelings, but as time goes on, those feelings eventually mellow out and we tend to remember the better times more than we do the bad.  We don't spend our lives (or at least I hope no one does, because that would be a very painful existence) lamenting the loss of the one that got away and pining after them for the rest of our lives.  We may think of them from time to time, but we let them go and we move on with our lives and we meet someone else who we give all of our love to.  The whole idea that Prince spent his time pining after this woman or that, that he never moved on from this woman or that one, I don't know how anyone could wish that kind of torment and pain on Prince.  And if he were to have done that, that's not love, that's obsession and that is not healthy (nor romantic).  

It's like the whole Mani episode, a lot of people blame Mani for the split from Mayte because she moved in on a married man.  It takes two to tangle.  If Prince were not open to cheating on Mayte, then Mani wouldn't have gotten close to him.  Period.  He was not innocent in that scenario.  And Vanity/Denise was heavy into drugs, and if you've ever been around anyone that uses drugs like that, they have very unhealthy relationships.  And Mayte was young when they met and was not fully developed emotionally, nor mentally, and as we all do, we change as we grow up and discover who we want to be as an adult.  Those relationships from youth tend to be very emotional, needy, dependent, until we gain the maturity of handling a real relationship and it becomes more refined.  None of the relationships Prince had were perfect.  Each of them had their issues and Prince wasn't innocent.  But people want to romanticize the women that Prince dated, married, had sex with.  Prince was someone, when he moved on, he moved on.  Too bad his fans couldn't.
  



Good post, Benni.
Prince was also not a fool. He was old school and a businessman and far from naive. He did love women, but I think when it came right down to it he did the mature thing.
He did meet with Mayte and sat down and talked at one point she says. We don’t know what was said but it’s possible he was trying to make amends.

With Mani, I have heard she REALLY took him to the bank and not everything has been disclosed and she took him for millions and she and Eric both stalked Prince for years for money, and Prince basically paid them off to get them out of his atmosphere, and he let her file for divorce so he could remain in good standing with the JW elders. But the marriage was basically over in 2004 and once he knew what she was like he made things so hard for her she would have to file, like locking her out of the house then bulldozing it, and taking her immigration papers and locking them in the vault st PO and leaving her basically nowhere to go. Maybe that’s why she had the apt rented in Minnie. Yes this is just hearsay but ive heard it from a few sources who were very close to P or someone he was very close to. I think Manuela is SCARILY cunning.
There’s probably a reason she waited so long to marry Eric. Like, waiting til she got the last dime from P.

I think he moved on from both wives but not the losses from his first marriage as easily. We carry those things with us. That’s why Prince stayed in the moment but also mentioned to someone about how much it hurt when people used him for financial gain. He didn’t blame Mani though. He knew he got himself into it.

[Edited 5/11/18 2:09am]
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[Edited 5/11/18 2:31am]
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #63 posted 05/11/18 2:30am

benni

anangellooksdown said:

benni said:

I think there needs to be another forum: Prince and the Women He Loved

Leave Associated artists & people as "ex-bandmembers, ex-employees, people he collaborated with" instead of "ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."

It is hard to come to this forum to look for information on band members when the number of threads discussing Prince's love life, who Prince loved more, which woman was The One, etc., seems to be the majority of threads over here.

Much of what is talked about in each of the threads involving the exes are the same pictures, the same articles, getting rehashed in each thread as proof to show this is who he loved more.

Personally, I think each of the women brought something to Prince and made him happy while they were together, and none of them were the LOVE of his life. I think they all were loved deeply at various times. I think he continued to care for all of them after the relationships ended, in the same way that we tend to care for those that we were involved with, after the relationships ended. At first, there may be some anger, confusion, and hurt feelings, but as time goes on, those feelings eventually mellow out and we tend to remember the better times more than we do the bad. We don't spend our lives (or at least I hope no one does, because that would be a very painful existence) lamenting the loss of the one that got away and pining after them for the rest of our lives. We may think of them from time to time, but we let them go and we move on with our lives and we meet someone else who we give all of our love to. The whole idea that Prince spent his time pining after this woman or that, that he never moved on from this woman or that one, I don't know how anyone could wish that kind of torment and pain on Prince. And if he were to have done that, that's not love, that's obsession and that is not healthy (nor romantic).

It's like the whole Mani episode, a lot of people blame Mani for the split from Mayte because she moved in on a married man. It takes two to tangle. If Prince were not open to cheating on Mayte, then Mani wouldn't have gotten close to him. Period. He was not innocent in that scenario. And Vanity/Denise was heavy into drugs, and if you've ever been around anyone that uses drugs like that, they have very unhealthy relationships. And Mayte was young when they met and was not fully developed emotionally, nor mentally, and as we all do, we change as we grow up and discover who we want to be as an adult. Those relationships from youth tend to be very emotional, needy, dependent, until we gain the maturity of handling a real relationship and it becomes more refined. None of the relationships Prince had were perfect. Each of them had their issues and Prince wasn't innocent. But people want to romanticize the women that Prince dated, married, had sex with. Prince was someone, when he moved on, he moved on. Too bad his fans couldn't.

Good post, Benni. Prince was also not a fool. He was old school and a businessman and far from naive. He did love women, but I think when it came right down to it he did the mature thing. He did meet with Mayte and sat down and talked at one point she says. We don’t know what was said but it’s possible he was trying to make amends. With Mani, I have heard she REALLY took him to the bank and not everything has been disclosed and she took him for millions and she and Eric both stalked Prince for years for money, and Prince basically paid them off to get them out of his atmosphere, and he let her file for divorce so he could remain in good standing with the JW elders. But the marriage was basically over in 2004 and once he knew what she was like he made things so hard for her she would have to file, like locking her out of the house then bulldozing it, and taking her immigration papers and locking them in the vault st PO and leaving her basically nowhere to go. Maybe that’s why she had the apt rented in Minnie. Yes this is just hearsay but ive heard it from a few sources who were very close to P or someone he was very close to. I think Manuela is SCARILY cunning. I think he moved on from both wives but not the losses from his first marriage as easily. We carry those things with us. That’s why Prince stayed in the moment. [Edited 5/11/18 2:09am]



No, Prince wasn't a fool. And I agree. The loss of his son is something that would always stay with Prince. Miscarriages, while traumatic, tend to be something we minimize over time. I've had 4 miscarriages, and those losses hurt at the time, but I never had the opportunity to emotionally attach to the pregnancy as they were early in the pregnancy. I had that moment of love for the life I was carrying, and then it was gone. For women, we tend to get more emotionally attached when we learn we are pregnant because we feel the effects (morning sickness, hormones), but for men, it's harder to get attached earlier in the pregnancy until they start to see the woman's belly changing shape, feeling the baby move, etc. For them, it's an idea at the beginning, one that they love and get excited about, but that emotional attachment isn't quite there yet.

As for the rumors about Mani, how do those rumors impact our life? How do they change our life? I have no love for, nor dislike for her, because ultimately, she had no impact on my life. I cared about and loved Prince, as an artist, as someone who had an impact on my life. He brought people into my life, new experiences into my life, and his music helped to shape some of my ideas and beliefs. But ultimately, what Mani did or didn't do, has nothing to do with me or the relationship I had with Prince as a fan. Neither did Vanity, nor Mayte, nor Susannah, nor Andy, nor Jill, nor Judith, nor ... and the list goes on. And keep in mind, that people's opinions about what transpired between two individuals are based upon their own perceptions of what occurred. Those perceptions are based upon their relationships with the people involved. If they were close to Prince, and didn't like Mani or were jealous of Mani, then their perception of what occured between Prince and Mani would be based upon that, and the stories they tell would be painted by their love for Prince and dislike of Mani. The only two people that truly know what transpired, fully, are Prince and Mani. And ultimately, their relationship has no impact on me, my life, or my experience of Prince or life experiences, period. Since it has no impact on me, doesn't change my life in any way, why give it energy?

None of them, not Denise, not Mayte, not Mani, not Sheila, not Jill, not Andy, not ... are innocent in their relationships with Prince. Each of them did things that caused those relationships to end, or his feelings to change. But, Prince isn't innocent either. He played many of them, dating them at the same time, leading them on, and he also did things that caused those relationships to end. We all bring our best and our worst to our relationships. Relationships are two way streets, and both people are either committed to that relationship, or that relationship will falter and eventually fail.

Rumors and innuendos are just that. But do they contribute to your life in any way? And if they don't, why give them that kind of energy?

Reply #64 posted 05/11/18 2:39am

anangellooksdown

Every lie in our universe affects us.
Every person who portrays a picture of themselves as being a social advocate while really playing every angle possible to further self makes our society sicker.
I tend to be a realist. Denial does not work for me.
This is not people’s perspectives born of jealousy; this is what Prince apparently told a person he was very close to. I don’t know exactly where the other person I heard it from got their information except it matches, and that person was close to someone P was close to. I wasn’t there so I can’t verify these things, but it sure does fit with every single thing we know.
[Edited 5/11/18 2:40am]
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #65 posted 05/11/18 2:50am

benni

anangellooksdown said:

Every lie in our universe affects us. Every person who portrays a picture of themselves as being a social advocate while really playing every angle possible to further self makes our society sicker. I tend to be a realist. Denial does not work for me. This is not people’s perspectives born of jealousy; this is what Prince apparently told a person he was very close to. I don’t know exactly where the other person I heard it from got their information except it matches, and that person was close to someone P was close to. I wasn’t there so I can’t verify these things, but it sure does fit with every single thing we know. [Edited 5/11/18 2:40am]


Have you considered that the things that affect the universe, affect it because we give it energy? And I'm talking about such things as rumors about individuals, situations we are told about. For instance, no one would know (and therefore would not be affected by) the rumors that you've shared, if they were not made aware of that situation. It's when we eat from the Tree of Knowledge (shared information) that it brought about mankind's downfall. If we give wings to rumors and heresay, we are spreading the negative energy of that knowledge (information), and thereby changing the vibration of all those that hear that knowledge.

For instance, before you were "told" these things, before you learned of these things, was this something affecting your life? Was it affecting the world around you? If it was, how so? Or, did you change upon hearing these things? Did your worldview change once you were told these things? Did it have an impact upon you after you learned it?

And for me, it's not denial. It's about choosing what I give my energy to, and what energy I allow into my life. I can allow negative energy of rumors and innuendo and heresay into my life and let it change my vibrational flow, or I can go higher and not surround myself with that type of energy.

Reply #66 posted 05/11/18 3:07am

anangellooksdown

benni said:

 



anangellooksdown said:


Every lie in our universe affects us. Every person who portrays a picture of themselves as being a social advocate while really playing every angle possible to further self makes our society sicker. I tend to be a realist. Denial does not work for me. This is not people’s perspectives born of jealousy; this is what Prince apparently told a person he was very close to. I don’t know exactly where the other person I heard it from got their information except it matches, and that person was close to someone P was close to. I wasn’t there so I can’t verify these things, but it sure does fit with every single thing we know. [Edited 5/11/18 2:40am]


Have you considered that the things that affect the universe, affect it because we give it energy?  And I'm talking about such things as rumors about individuals, situations we are told about.  For instance, no one would know (and therefore would not be affected by) the rumors that you've shared, if they were not made aware of that situation.  It's when we eat from the Tree of Knowledge (shared information) that it brought about mankind's downfall.  If we give wings to rumors and heresay, we are spreading the negative energy of that knowledge (information), and thereby changing the vibration of all those that hear that knowledge. 

For instance, before you were "told" these things, before you learned of these things, was this something affecting your life?  Was it affecting the world around you?  If it was, how so?  Or, did you change upon hearing these things?  Did your worldview change once you were told these things?  Did it have an impact upon you after you learned it?  

And for me, it's not denial.  It's about choosing what I give my energy to, and what energy I allow into my life.  I can allow negative energy of rumors and innuendo and heresay into my life and let it change my vibrational flow, or I can go higher and not surround myself with that type of energy.



I’ll answer your questions with a question to you.
What would it be like if you didn’t try to control me or what I said this morning?
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #67 posted 05/11/18 3:31am

anangellooksdown

Exactly.
*Crickets*
See, this “new age” stuff feels good for a few minutes, but it doesn’t last unless we know ourselves first (have insight).
Don’t mess with the big guns.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #68 posted 05/11/18 5:24am

KoolEaze

I think it´s perfectly normal that there are dozens of Andy Allo, Mayte, Vanity, Mani, Jill Jones and countless other threads dedicated to those women because they all played an important part in Prince´s life and it´s understandable that there will always be fans who prefer person A over person B or C.

This is a Prince fan message board after all and where else if not here are you going to find threads dedicated to those women?

Doesn´t bother me at all as long as those threads are here in the associated artists forum and not in the Prince:Music and More forum. Nobody is forcing me to read them all.

I´d be more worried about unhappy orgers leaving the org after years and years on the org instead of worrying about the umpteenth Andy Allo, Mayte or Vanity thread.

It´s mostly grown folks in this forum so I don´t really understand why there needs to be so much censorship and banning people left and right.

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Reply #69 posted 05/11/18 5:38am

PennyPurple

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

I actually think it's because there are like 7 threads on AA, where it could be combined in 1. I don't think we need 7 different threads about a person. There are also numerous threads on Mayte and Natalya, when there only need to be 1.

Reply #70 posted 05/11/18 5:39am

benni

anangellooksdown said:

Exactly. *Crickets* See, this “new age” stuff feels good for a few minutes, but it doesn’t last unless we know ourselves first (have insight). Don’t mess with the big guns.


LOL - Sorry. I had went back to bed.

I'm not trying to control you, angel. I'm just stating my opinion. You are free to do what you want to do, which you always will be free to do it.

You replied to me, I replied to you, you replied, I replied. You said that every lie in the world affects the universe. I said, the way it effects the universe is through us and our vibrations and whether we share it or not. You see? Dialogue.

Reply #71 posted 05/11/18 5:47am

PennyPurple

KoolEaze said:

I think it´s perfectly normal that there are dozens of Andy Allo, Mayte, Vanity, Mani, Jill Jones and countless other threads dedicated to those women because they all played an important part in Prince´s life and it´s understandable that there will always be fans who prefer person A over person B or C.

This is a Prince fan message board after all and where else if not here are you going to find threads dedicated to those women?

Doesn´t bother me at all as long as those threads are here in the associated artists forum and not in the Prince:Music and More forum. Nobody is forcing me to read them all.

I´d be more worried about unhappy orgers leaving the org after years and years on the org instead of worrying about the umpteenth Andy Allo, Mayte or Vanity thread.

It´s mostly grown folks in this forum so I don´t really understand why there needs to be so much censorship and banning people left and right.

Yeah, I don't get the censorship and banning thing either. The forum has slowed down even from 1 year ago.

Reply #72 posted 05/11/18 5:51am

anangellooksdown

benni said:

 



anangellooksdown said:


Exactly. *Crickets* See, this “new age” stuff feels good for a few minutes, but it doesn’t last unless we know ourselves first (have insight). Don’t mess with the big guns.


LOL - Sorry.  I had went back to bed.  

I'm not trying to control you, angel.  I'm just stating my opinion.  You are free to do what you want to do, which you always will be free to do it.  

You replied to me, I replied to you, you replied, I replied.  You said that every lie in the world affects the universe.  I said, the way it effects the universe is through us and our vibrations and whether we share it or not.  You see?  Dialogue.  



No, I stated something that is not really new or different on the Org, and you preached a long commentary to me, lol, about how I should think, feel and speak. That felt like control to me.
NOW we are having a dialogue.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #73 posted 05/11/18 5:57am

benni

anangellooksdown said:

Exactly. *Crickets* See, this “new age” stuff feels good for a few minutes, but it doesn’t last unless we know ourselves first (have insight). Don’t mess with the big guns.


And, btw, I *DO* know myself, better than anyone. I have been self-reflective and self-study for much longer than most people think about doing it. And what big gun? I'm not messing with anything or anyone. I'm sharing my opinion.

Does not having someone agree with you, bother you that much? That you become defensive and feel the need to try to put them in their place? Why?

As I said previously, you are free to take into yourself what you wish to (whether it be rumor, heresay, lies) I just don't choose to give it energy. My energy is best spent on myself, my children, the path I am walking. I won't engage in bashing his exes. Women get that enough from society and these women get that enough from other Prince fans.

As Prince said:


In the name of democracy, supreme power is vested unto the people in this insane state instead of God
A future re-created, to be ruled by man, is one of isolation and despair
Returning the leadership back into God will allow mankind to achieve its original collective goal
Which is union with God
Ideas contrary to this goal should not be blamed or persecuted - just simply ignored
They originated when man first chose to ignore God's rule
Simply put - in the beginning, the Human was made perfect in God's image
They had no need for knowledge
They were also given freedom of choice
The Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life are reflections of this freedom
The human is now a reflection of their choice
They could have simply chose not to choose


So, you choose what you put your energy on, I choose what I put my energy on/not on. No control, no taking away your choice (I don't have that power). We continue to share ideas and thoughts from our own perspective. And everyone lives happily ever after.

Reply #74 posted 05/11/18 6:00am

FlyOnTheWall

KoolEaze said:

I think it´s perfectly normal that there are dozens of Andy Allo, Mayte, Vanity, Mani, Jill Jones and countless other threads dedicated to those women because they all played an important part in Prince´s life and it´s understandable that there will always be fans who prefer person A over person B or C.

This is a Prince fan message board after all and where else if not here are you going to find threads dedicated to those women?

Doesn´t bother me at all as long as those threads are here in the associated artists forum and not in the Prince:Music and More forum. Nobody is forcing me to read them all.

I´d be more worried about unhappy orgers leaving the org after years and years on the org instead of worrying about the umpteenth Andy Allo, Mayte or Vanity thread.

It´s mostly grown folks in this forum so I don´t really understand why there needs to be so much censorship and banning people left and right.

Exactly!!! Thank you!!! nod thumbs up! yeahthat clapping

Plus, I think the biggest problem here at Prince.org is a lack of mutual respect...and bullying. And, the moderators need to make that...not censorship...their focus. That is, things like name calling, personal attacks, profanity, stalking, and other forms of harassment should not be tolerated. Period.

Some Orgers think that it's their way or the highway. These people are unable to accept that everyone has their own mind and don't seem to understand the concept of agreeing to disagree; however, they should not be allowed to repeatedly derail/disrupt threads about subjects they find unappealing or opposite their way of thinking. Ultimately, I think if civility becomes commonplace here, Prince.org will be a much better place, worthy of being associated with the name Prince Rogers Nelson.


Reply #75 posted 05/11/18 6:03am

rogifan

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site?  Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread?  So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?


It’s not about censoring anything. It’s about not having umpteen different threads about the same person. In the Music & More section threads get locked up and re-directed to existing threads all the time. Why should it be different here?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #76 posted 05/11/18 6:07am

benni

anangellooksdown said:

benni said:


LOL - Sorry. I had went back to bed.

I'm not trying to control you, angel. I'm just stating my opinion. You are free to do what you want to do, which you always will be free to do it.

You replied to me, I replied to you, you replied, I replied. You said that every lie in the world affects the universe. I said, the way it effects the universe is through us and our vibrations and whether we share it or not. You see? Dialogue.

No, I stated something that is not really new or different on the Org, and you preached a long commentary to me, lol, about how I should think, feel and speak. That felt like control to me. NOW we are having a dialogue.


I asked if you had considered it....you know a question. I didn't preach at you. I never once told you how you should think, feel, or speak. I asked you questions, how did not knowing this have an impact on your life prior to you finding out? Did it have an impact on your life after you found it? I was asking those questions to show that it is the energy we give it that has an effect and if we spread it, that effect grows. But I never once said, you should think this way, you should feel this way, or you should speak this way. In fact, I said FOR ME, I choose to not give my energy to that. You will do what you want to do. And that is perfectly fine.

Reply #77 posted 05/11/18 6:12am

anangellooksdown

benni said:

 



anangellooksdown said:


benni said:

 



LOL - Sorry.  I had went back to bed.  

I'm not trying to control you, angel.  I'm just stating my opinion.  You are free to do what you want to do, which you always will be free to do it.  

You replied to me, I replied to you, you replied, I replied.  You said that every lie in the world affects the universe.  I said, the way it effects the universe is through us and our vibrations and whether we share it or not.  You see?  Dialogue.  



No, I stated something that is not really new or different on the Org, and you preached a long commentary to me, lol, about how I should think, feel and speak. That felt like control to me. NOW we are having a dialogue.


I asked if you had considered it....you know a question.  I didn't preach at you.  I never once told you how you should think, feel, or speak.  I asked you questions, how did not knowing this have an impact on your life prior to you finding out?  Did it have an impact on your life after you found it?  I was asking those questions to show that it is the energy we give it that has an effect and if we spread it, that effect grows.  But I never once said, you should think this way, you should feel this way, or you should speak this way.  In fact, I said FOR ME, I choose to not give my energy to that.  You will do what you want to do.  And that is perfectly fine.



Okay...
Lol.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #78 posted 05/11/18 6:17am

FlyOnTheWall

rogifan said:

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

It’s not about censoring anything. It’s about not having umpteen different threads about the same person. In the Music & More section threads get locked up and re-directed to existing threads all the time. Why should it be different here?

Personally, I think all the thread locking and redirecting on this site is counterproductive. I've never seen anything like it.

Reply #79 posted 05/11/18 6:21am

FlyOnTheWall

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

yes THIS.

Reply #80 posted 05/11/18 6:43am

benni

rogifan said:

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

It’s not about censoring anything. It’s about not having umpteen different threads about the same person. In the Music & More section threads get locked up and re-directed to existing threads all the time. Why should it be different here?


I know I have posted things in PM&M and have had them locked and redirected to the appropriate thread. But I do think they need two separate boards from bandmembers, associates, collaborators vs ex-girlfriends. The ex-girlfriends get a lot of attention and people have a lot of opinions about them. If they have their own board, then this one can strictly focus on the music/interviews/concerts by associates.

Reply #81 posted 05/11/18 6:53am

anangellooksdown

rogifan said:

How about one thread per associate where news, video, social medial etc. can be posted. Would be much better than 5 different threads about something Andy or Mayte did/said.


I think this is actually the best idea I’ve seen, yes...
Even if it does become a competition. Lol.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #82 posted 05/11/18 7:08am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

I actually think it's because there are like 7 threads on AA, where it could be combined in 1. I don't think we need 7 different threads about a person. There are also numerous threads on Mayte and Natalya, when there only need to be 1.

Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers.

Reply #83 posted 05/11/18 7:21am

anangellooksdown

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



PennyPurple said:


 



Asenath said:


So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site?  Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread?  So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?



I actually think it's because there are like 7 threads on AA, where it could be combined in 1. I don't think we need 7 different threads about a person. There are also numerous threads on Mayte and Natalya, when there only need to be 1. 



Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers.



Right. That’s dominating the forum.
No matter who begins them, certain people parlay off them and keep them at the top of the forum 24/7.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #84 posted 05/11/18 7:28am

FlyOnTheWall

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers.

Right. That’s dominating the forum. No matter who begins them, certain people parlay off them and keep them at the top of the forum 24/7.

Why does it matter what is at the top of the forum? That is the mindset that is fueling the present toxicity here on Prince.org.

Reply #85 posted 05/11/18 7:28am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

I actually think it's because there are like 7 threads on AA, where it could be combined in 1. I don't think we need 7 different threads about a person. There are also numerous threads on Mayte and Natalya, when there only need to be 1.

Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers.

I believe that OF4S proposed the idea of an update thread in one of Latin's threads about Andy just to keep it neat and all in one place.I think it makes sense to have one thread for each associate or artist or at least an update thread for them to combine news on projects,new photos and interviews etc. I don't see anything wrong with dedicating a thread to a certain project,song or album as some have been doing.

Reply #86 posted 05/11/18 7:30am

anangellooksdown

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



anangellooksdown said:


FlyOnTheWall said:

 


Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers.



Right. That’s dominating the forum. No matter who begins them, certain people parlay off them and keep them at the top of the forum 24/7.

Why does it matter what is at the top of the forum? That is the mindset that is fueling the present toxicity here on Prince.org.



Lol. Okay....🙄, LOL!
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #87 posted 05/11/18 7:30am

disch

But by that token: What does it matter if the conversations around certain individual associates are consolidated into one thread per associate? Wouldn't that make it easier for the people who are interested in discussing that person to find each other/follow the conversation, and easier for people who aren't interested to skip past it (similar to the one Death Talk sticky on the PM&M page)?

FlyOnTheWall said:

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said: Right. That’s dominating the forum. No matter who begins them, certain people parlay off them and keep them at the top of the forum 24/7.

Why does it matter what is at the top of the forum? That is the mindset that is fueling the present toxicity here on Prince.org.

[Edited 5/11/18 7:31am]

Reply #88 posted 05/11/18 7:37am

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

But by that token: What does it matter if the conversations around certain individual associates are consolidated into one thread per associate? Wouldn't that make it easier for the people who are interested in discussing that person to find each other/follow the conversation, and easier for people who aren't interested to skip past it (similar to the one Death Talk sticky on the PM&M page)?

FlyOnTheWall said:

Why does it matter what is at the top of the forum? That is the mindset that is fueling the present toxicity here on Prince.org.

[Edited 5/11/18 7:31am]

In fact, it's just the opposite. Trying to navigate those LONG sticky threads, often with dozens of pages, is very time-consuming. For that very reason, I seldom frequent the "Death" and "Estate" stickies. It is much easier, IMHO, to follow more narrowly focused threads.

Reply #89 posted 05/11/18 7:51am

disch

But the multple girlfriend threads AREN'T "narrowly focused." Take a look at the last posts in those threads and see if they have anything to do with the stated thread title.

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If they each had a specific, truly distinct topic designated in the subject (a new music release, say, or an evaluation of an older release) and that's what people actually discussed that would be one thing, I think. And if they then allowed the conversation about that topic to run its natural course and the thread died, as all threads do, then, in my opinion, that would be fine.

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But threads that start or end pup about what Prince "truly felt" about this woman vs that woman, who was his "soul mate" or "last confirmed girlfriend" or whatever -- i.e., that focus on the personal/romantic relationship between Prince and whatever person? Yeah, those discussions should be consolidated and set in a place where people can find (or avoid) them very easily.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

But by that token: What does it matter if the conversations around certain individual associates are consolidated into one thread per associate? Wouldn't that make it easier for the people who are interested in discussing that person to find each other/follow the conversation, and easier for people who aren't interested to skip past it (similar to the one Death Talk sticky on the PM&M page)?

[Edited 5/11/18 7:31am]

In fact, it's just the opposite. Trying to navigate those LONG sticky threads, often with dozens of pages, is very time-consuming. For that very reason, I seldom frequent the "Death" and "Estate" stickies. It is much easier, IMHO, to follow more narrowly focused threads.

[Edited 5/11/18 7:54am]

Reply #90 posted 05/11/18 7:55am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

But by that token: What does it matter if the conversations around certain individual associates are consolidated into one thread per associate? Wouldn't that make it easier for the people who are interested in discussing that person to find each other/follow the conversation, and easier for people who aren't interested to skip past it (similar to the one Death Talk sticky on the PM&M page)?

[Edited 5/11/18 7:31am]

In fact, it's just the opposite. Trying to navigate those LONG sticky threads, often with dozens of pages, is very time-consuming. For that very reason, I seldom frequent the "Death" and "Estate" stickies. It is much easier, IMHO, to follow more narrowly focused threads.

I do think having a different thread for each new project and interview gets a bit confusing. I think those things could be combined into one thread.

Reply #91 posted 05/11/18 8:08am

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

But the multple girlfriend threads AREN'T "narrowly focused." Take a look at the last posts in those threads and see if they have anything to do with the stated thread title.

-

If they each had a specific, truly distinct topic designated in the subject (a new music release, say, or an evaluation of an older release) and that's what people actually discussed that would be one thing, I think. And if they then allowed the conversation about that topic to run its natural course and the thread died, as all threads do, then, in my opinion, that would be fine.

-

FlyOnTheWall said:

In fact, it's just the opposite. Trying to navigate those LONG sticky threads, often with dozens of pages, is very time-consuming. For that very reason, I seldom frequent the "Death" and "Estate" stickies. It is much easier, IMHO, to follow more narrowly focused threads.

Just as in actual human interaction, threads will sometimes slightly deviate from the main topic. I don't see any harm in that. Now, it's different when certain Orgers target threads and deliberately set out to derail them by flame-throwing and making them so vulgar and profane that they turn-off other potential readers.

I'm talking about, for instance, like during an interview: the interviewer goes in with a set of "grand tour" questions, but during the course of the conversation, based on what the interviewee says, follow-up questions will naturally pop up. Like the interviewer, nobody, in real life, halts conversations because they are non-linear. Can you imagine what might be missed if we are constantly policing interpersonal discussions instead of actually engaging each other...and allowing the discussion to take its natural course? What I'm saying is this: Human interaction, at its richest, is curvilinear...and free.

Reply #92 posted 05/11/18 8:11am

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

In fact, it's just the opposite. Trying to navigate those LONG sticky threads, often with dozens of pages, is very time-consuming. For that very reason, I seldom frequent the "Death" and "Estate" stickies. It is much easier, IMHO, to follow more narrowly focused threads.

I do think having a different thread for each new project and interview gets a bit confusing. I think those things could be combined into one thread.

I agree. I'm not one to do that. What I'm saying is that, IMHO, the LONG sticky threads are prohibitive, to participation for busy people.

Reply #93 posted 05/11/18 8:20am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I do think having a different thread for each new project and interview gets a bit confusing. I think those things could be combined into one thread.

I agree. I'm not one to do that. What I'm saying is that, IMHO, the LONG sticky threads are prohibitive, to participation for busy people.

They are hard to keep up with,I agree. I also think having only one thread to discuss all topics concerning each associate could get a bit confusing as well.

Reply #94 posted 05/11/18 8:26am

disch

The whole purpoose of threads with specific topics is to segment discussions so people can earily locate and partipate in the topics that interest them. These threads don't deviate sligthly; they go off into unrelated tangents.

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If someone wants to have an open-ended, boundary-free conversation about a particular girlfriend, then one designated thread called "All About <whoever>" seems an appropriate solution. Or perhaps make one designated thread that's titled "Personal Relationship Between Prince and <Whoever>" and people can talk there about soul-mate status and what-not, and other threads can focus specifically that associate's professional work or life outside of Prince.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

But the multple girlfriend threads AREN'T "narrowly focused." Take a look at the last posts in those threads and see if they have anything to do with the stated thread title.

-

If they each had a specific, truly distinct topic designated in the subject (a new music release, say, or an evaluation of an older release) and that's what people actually discussed that would be one thing, I think. And if they then allowed the conversation about that topic to run its natural course and the thread died, as all threads do, then, in my opinion, that would be fine.

-

Just as in actual human interaction, threads will sometimes slightly deviate from the main topic. I don't see any harm in that. Now, it's different when certain Orgers target threads and deliberately set out to derail them by flame-throwing and making them so vulgar and profane that they turn-off other potential readers.

I'm talking about, for instance, like during an interview: the interviewer goes in with a set of "grand tour" questions, but during the course of the conversation, based on what the interviewee says, follow-up questions will naturally pop up. Like the interviewer, nobody, in real life, halts conversations because they are non-linear. Can you imagine what might be missed if we are constantly policing interpersonal discussions instead of actually engaging each other...and allowing the discussion to take its natural course? What I'm saying is this: Human interaction, at its richest, is curvilinear...and free.

Reply #95 posted 05/11/18 8:35am

pinkcashmere23

disch said:

The whole purpoose of threads with specific topics is to segment discussions so people can earily locate and partipate in the topics that interest them. These threads don't deviate sligthly; they go off into unrelated tangents.

-

If someone wants to have an open-ended, boundary-free conversation about a particular girlfriend, then one designated thread called "All About <whoever>" seems an appropriate solution. Or perhaps make one designated thread that's titled "Personal Relationship Between Prince and <Whoever>" and people can talk there about soul-mate status and what-not, and other threads can focus specifically that associate's professional work or life outside of Prince.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Just as in actual human interaction, threads will sometimes slightly deviate from the main topic. I don't see any harm in that. Now, it's different when certain Orgers target threads and deliberately set out to derail them by flame-throwing and making them so vulgar and profane that they turn-off other potential readers.

I'm talking about, for instance, like during an interview: the interviewer goes in with a set of "grand tour" questions, but during the course of the conversation, based on what the interviewee says, follow-up questions will naturally pop up. Like the interviewer, nobody, in real life, halts conversations because they are non-linear. Can you imagine what might be missed if we are constantly policing interpersonal discussions instead of actually engaging each other...and allowing the discussion to take its natural course? What I'm saying is this: Human interaction, at its richest, is curvilinear...and free.

I think having having a thread dedicated to the discussion of the professional relationship and one for the personal is a great idea.

Reply #96 posted 05/11/18 8:43am

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

The whole purpoose of threads with specific topics is to segment discussions so people can earily locate and partipate in the topics that interest them. These threads don't deviate sligthly; they go off into unrelated tangents.

-

If someone wants to have an open-ended, boundary-free conversation about a particular girlfriend, then one designated thread called "All About <whoever>" seems an appropriate solution. Or perhaps make one designated thread that's titled "Personal Relationship Between Prince and <Whoever>" and people can talk there about soul-mate status and what-not, and other threads can focus specifically that associate's professional work or life outside of Prince.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Just as in actual human interaction, threads will sometimes slightly deviate from the main topic. I don't see any harm in that. Now, it's different when certain Orgers target threads and deliberately set out to derail them by flame-throwing and making them so vulgar and profane that they turn-off other potential readers.

I'm talking about, for instance, like during an interview: the interviewer goes in with a set of "grand tour" questions, but during the course of the conversation, based on what the interviewee says, follow-up questions will naturally pop up. Like the interviewer, nobody, in real life, halts conversations because they are non-linear. Can you imagine what might be missed if we are constantly policing interpersonal discussions instead of actually engaging each other...and allowing the discussion to take its natural course? What I'm saying is this: Human interaction, at its richest, is curvilinear...and free.

I challenge you to point to ONE thread of multiple pages that discusses ONLY the title topic.

Reply #97 posted 05/11/18 8:46am

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

I think there needs to be another forum: Prince and the Women He Loved

Leave Associated artists & people as "ex-bandmembers, ex-employees, people he collaborated with" instead of "ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."

It is hard to come to this forum to look for information on band members when the number of threads discussing Prince's love life, who Prince loved more, which woman was The One, etc., seems to be the majority of threads over here.

Much of what is talked about in each of the threads involving the exes are the same pictures, the same articles, getting rehashed in each thread as proof to show this is who he loved more.

Personally, I think each of the women brought something to Prince and made him happy while they were together, and none of them were the LOVE of his life. I think they all were loved deeply at various times. I think he continued to care for all of them after the relationships ended, in the same way that we tend to care for those that we were involved with, after the relationships ended. At first, there may be some anger, confusion, and hurt feelings, but as time goes on, those feelings eventually mellow out and we tend to remember the better times more than we do the bad. We don't spend our lives (or at least I hope no one does, because that would be a very painful existence) lamenting the loss of the one that got away and pining after them for the rest of our lives. We may think of them from time to time, but we let them go and we move on with our lives and we meet someone else who we give all of our love to. The whole idea that Prince spent his time pining after this woman or that, that he never moved on from this woman or that one, I don't know how anyone could wish that kind of torment and pain on Prince. And if he were to have done that, that's not love, that's obsession and that is not healthy (nor romantic).

It's like the whole Mani episode, a lot of people blame Mani for the split from Mayte because she moved in on a married man. It takes two to tangle. If Prince were not open to cheating on Mayte, then Mani wouldn't have gotten close to him. Period. He was not innocent in that scenario. And Vanity/Denise was heavy into drugs, and if you've ever been around anyone that uses drugs like that, they have very unhealthy relationships. And Mayte was young when they met and was not fully developed emotionally, nor mentally, and as we all do, we change as we grow up and discover who we want to be as an adult. Those relationships from youth tend to be very emotional, needy, dependent, until we gain the maturity of handling a real relationship and it becomes more refined. None of the relationships Prince had were perfect. Each of them had their issues and Prince wasn't innocent. But people want to romanticize the women that Prince dated, married, had sex with. Prince was someone, when he moved on, he moved on. Too bad his fans couldn't.

The reality is this: Prince is no longer with us, and, with few exceptions, the vast majority of the threads are retrospective. Meaning, if Prince.org is to continue its existence, there are bound to be repeat posts of articles and photos. What is the harm in that?

Reply #98 posted 05/11/18 8:50am

disch

I think as long as the moderators have time to enforce such threads and keep them on track (something tells me the the "professional" thread would soon be bickering about soul-mate hierarchies as people insist that there are coded messages in the professional work and what not).

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The moderators probably don't have time to police all this so I can see that they would just create one thread about someone and call it a day.

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Look, the current professional lives of most associates don't lend themselves to robust conversation that lots of people will engage in. These are more, shall we say, niche topics that will appeal only to a couple orgers at this point.

pinkcashmere23 said:

disch said:

The whole purpoose of threads with specific topics is to segment discussions so people can earily locate and partipate in the topics that interest them. These threads don't deviate sligthly; they go off into unrelated tangents.

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If someone wants to have an open-ended, boundary-free conversation about a particular girlfriend, then one designated thread called "All About <whoever>" seems an appropriate solution. Or perhaps make one designated thread that's titled "Personal Relationship Between Prince and <Whoever>" and people can talk there about soul-mate status and what-not, and other threads can focus specifically that associate's professional work or life outside of Prince.

I think having having a thread dedicated to the discussion of the professional relationship and one for the personal is a great idea.

Reply #99 posted 05/11/18 8:57am

pinkcashmere23

disch said:

I think as long as the moderators have time to enforce such threads and keep them on track (something tells me the the "professional" thread would soon be bickering about soul-mate hierarchies as people insist that there are coded messages in the professional work and what not).

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The moderators probably don't have time to police all this so I can see that they would just create one thread about someone and call it a day.

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Look, the current professional lives of most associates don't lend themselves to robust conversation that lots of people will engage in. These are more, shall we say, niche topics that will appeal only to a couple orgers at this point.

pinkcashmere23 said:

I think having having a thread dedicated to the discussion of the professional relationship and one for the personal is a great idea.

True.Some of the music was also written with certain people in mind so talk about those songs could veer into discussion of personal lives.

Reply #100 posted 05/11/18 9:19am

Mumio

benni said:

I think there needs to be another forum: Prince and the Women He Loved

Leave Associated artists & people as "ex-bandmembers, ex-employees, people he collaborated with" instead of "ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."




yeahthat A whole separate subforum. Because we all know that one thread per woman will never work. New people will come in and start brand new threads and so will those looking to troll the org.

A whole separate subforum where the stans can battle it out with each other lol

[Edited 5/11/18 9:29am]

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #101 posted 05/11/18 9:31am

rogifan

benni said:

 



rogifan said:


Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site?  Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread?  So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?



It’s not about censoring anything. It’s about not having umpteen different threads about the same person. In the Music & More section threads get locked up and re-directed to existing threads all the time. Why should it be different here?


I know I have posted things in PM&M and have had them locked and redirected to the appropriate thread.  But I do think they need two separate boards from bandmembers, associates, collaborators vs ex-girlfriends.  The ex-girlfriends get a lot of attention and people have a lot of opinions about them.  If they have their own board, then this one can strictly focus on the music/interviews/concerts by associates.  


How about one thread where anyone who wants to discuss his sex life and who was/wasn’t his lover and everyone who wants to argue over who was/wasn’t the one can post. I don’t think we need a whole new forum just for gossip about the women in his life.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #102 posted 05/11/18 9:45am

PennyPurple

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

I actually think it's because there are like 7 threads on AA, where it could be combined in 1. I don't think we need 7 different threads about a person. There are also numerous threads on Mayte and Natalya, when there only need to be 1.

Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers.

?? Who said you started them??

Reply #103 posted 05/11/18 9:50am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers.

?? Who said you started them??

Excuse me, Penny, but what are you talking about? Where did I say that someone said that I started all of the multiple AA threads? I simply stated that they were started by multiple Orgers. Does that meet with your approval?

Reply #104 posted 05/11/18 9:54am

PennyPurple

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

?? Who said you started them??

Excuse me, Penny, but what are you talking about? Where did I say that someone said that I started all of the multiple AA threads? I simply stated that they were started by multiple Orgers. Does that meet with your approval?

You were acting like you were accused of starting 7 AA threads. That's why I asked, 'who said you started them'?

Reply #105 posted 05/11/18 9:59am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Excuse me, Penny, but what are you talking about? Where did I say that someone said that I started all of the multiple AA threads? I simply stated that they were started by multiple Orgers. Does that meet with your approval?

You were acting like you were accused of starting 7 AA threads. That's why I asked, 'who said you started them'?

See, this is an example of the personal attacks I mentioned earlier. People do far too much of this on the Org. I think we need to be careful to read exactly what people write...and not project what we think they are really saying. Good grief. Please lay off me, Penny.

Reply #106 posted 05/11/18 10:07am

InThisBedIDream

Who's Andy Allo? Never heard of her. hmmm

Reply #107 posted 05/11/18 10:09am

InThisBedIDream

Sorry, (not sorry), couldn't resist.

I'm out of here, as you were, biggrin

Reply #108 posted 05/11/18 10:31am

PennyPurple

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

You were acting like you were accused of starting 7 AA threads. That's why I asked, 'who said you started them'?

See, this is an example of the personal attacks I mentioned earlier. People do far too much of this on the Org. I think we need to be careful to read exactly what people write...and not project what we think they are really saying. Good grief. Please lay off me, Penny.

Huh? That's an attack? ROTFL


I tell you what Fly, don't respond to me and I won't respond to you.


I can't believe you seriously thought that was an attack. eyepop

Reply #109 posted 05/11/18 10:34am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

See, this is an example of the personal attacks I mentioned earlier. People do far too much of this on the Org. I think we need to be careful to read exactly what people write...and not project what we think they are really saying. Good grief. Please lay off me, Penny.

Huh? That's an attack? ROTFL


I tell you what Fly, don't respond to me and I won't respond to you.


I can't believe you seriously thought that was an attack. eyepop

Taken alone, perhaps not, Penny...but, it's cumulative over the past few days. In the past, we have had amicable interactions here. I hope we can soon return to that. Peace. peace

[Edited 5/11/18 10:50am]

Reply #110 posted 05/11/18 10:36am

FlyOnTheWall

InThisBedIDream said:

Who's Andy Allo? Never heard of her. hmmm

She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend. nod

Reply #111 posted 05/11/18 10:52am

InThisBedIDream

FlyOnTheWall said:

InThisBedIDream said:

Who's Andy Allo? Never heard of her. hmmm

She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend. nod

Well, you learn something new everyday.

Thanks for clearing that up, I'd never have known, wink

Reply #112 posted 05/11/18 10:55am

FlyOnTheWall

InThisBedIDream said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend. nod

Well, you learn something new everyday.

Thanks for clearing that up, I'd never have known, wink

No problem. Glad to help!! razz cool

Reply #113 posted 05/11/18 12:14pm

cloveringold85

Women have more emotions than Men do, and women tend to be more expressive about their feelings than most men, so everytime one of Prince's ex GF or wives are mentioned, all hell breaks loose! We all have a difference of opinion regarding all of Prince's women and we are passionate about how we feel. We are entitled to our opinions, but it's when we start attacking each other, and muddying the waters, so-to-speak, that we get off-topic and then things just go from bad to worse.

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Prince had exe's, and that was for good reason! lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #114 posted 05/11/18 2:10pm

FlyOnTheWall

cloveringold85 said:

Women have more emotions than Men do, and women tend to be more expressive about their feelings than most men, so everytime one of Prince's ex GF or wives are mentioned, all hell breaks loose! We all have a difference of opinion regarding all of Prince's women and we are passionate about how we feel. We are entitled to our opinions, but it's when we start attacking each other, and muddying the waters, so-to-speak, that we get off-topic and then things just go from bad to worse.

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Prince had exe's, and that was for good reason! lol

I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests. Without such a seriously enforced policy, certain Orgers know that they have a pass to target and cause mayhem on any thread they don't like.

And, without such consistent enforcement, limiting the number of threads about certain Prince love interests will not make one bit of difference. At all. Nothing will change. The band of disruptive Orgers will just do the same hateful things, only on super-long threads...which will still end up being removed/erased...which actually rewards the trouble-makers. It is a vicious, nonsensical cycle. And, it is taking a real toll on the credibility of Prince.org.

Reply #115 posted 05/11/18 2:55pm

anangellooksdown

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



cloveringold85 said:


Women have more emotions than Men do, and women tend to be more expressive about their feelings than most men, so everytime one of Prince's ex GF or wives are mentioned, all hell breaks loose!  We all have a difference of opinion regarding all of Prince's women and we are passionate about how we feel.  We are entitled to our opinions, but it's when we start attacking each other, and muddying the waters, so-to-speak, that we get off-topic and then things just go from bad to worse.  


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Prince had exe's, and that was for good reason!   lol


 


 



I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests. Without such a seriously enforced policy, certain Orgers know that they have a pass to target and cause mayhem on any thread they don't like.

And, without such consistent enforcement, limiting the number of threads about certain Prince love interests will not make one bit of difference. At all. Nothing will change. The band of disruptive Orgers will just do the same hateful things, only on super-long threads...which will still end up being removed/erased...which actually rewards the trouble-makers. It is a vicious, nonsensical cycle. And, it is taking a real toll on the credibility of Prince.org.



HUH?
R U kidding us?
This thread most likely has to do more than anything with your obsessive, dominating posting and behavior, including really really hurting people for 2 years now, like REALLY affecting people with what looks like basically a sociopathic type of bullying and unkindness.

And now you think you’re the Police?

And you’re going to twist things to keep them to your satisfaction?
I mean, how dumb do you think we are, Fly?
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #116 posted 05/11/18 2:57pm

FlyOnTheWall

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests. Without such a seriously enforced policy, certain Orgers know that they have a pass to target and cause mayhem on any thread they don't like.

And, without such consistent enforcement, limiting the number of threads about certain Prince love interests will not make one bit of difference. At all. Nothing will change. The band of disruptive Orgers will just do the same hateful things, only on super-long threads...which will still end up being removed/erased...which actually rewards the trouble-makers. It is a vicious, nonsensical cycle. And, it is taking a real toll on the credibility of Prince.org.

HUH? R U kidding us? This thread most likely has to do more than anything with your obsessive, dominating posting and behavior, including really really hurting people for 2 years now, like REALLY affecting people with what looks like basically a sociopathic type of bullying and unkindness. And now you think you’re the Police? And you’re going to twist things to keep them to your satisfaction? I mean, how dumb do you think we are, Fly?

^^^^^I give you, Exhibit A. I rest my case.^^^^^

[Edited 5/11/18 14:58pm]

Reply #117 posted 05/11/18 3:02pm

anangellooksdown

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



anangellooksdown said:


FlyOnTheWall said:

 


I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests. Without such a seriously enforced policy, certain Orgers know that they have a pass to target and cause mayhem on any thread they don't like.

And, without such consistent enforcement, limiting the number of threads about certain Prince love interests will not make one bit of difference. At all. Nothing will change. The band of disruptive Orgers will just do the same hateful things, only on super-long threads...which will still end up being removed/erased...which actually rewards the trouble-makers. It is a vicious, nonsensical cycle. And, it is taking a real toll on the credibility of Prince.org.



HUH? R U kidding us? This thread most likely has to do more than anything with your obsessive, dominating posting and behavior, including really really hurting people for 2 years now, like REALLY affecting people with what looks like basically a sociopathic type of bullying and unkindness. And now you think you’re the Police? And you’re going to twist things to keep them to your satisfaction? I mean, how dumb do you think we are, Fly?

^^^^^I give you, Exhibit A. I rest my case.^^^^^

[Edited 5/11/18 14:58pm]



Lets be clear about something.
There’s a difference between doing that to people and speaking out about it.
Your remark was narcissistic. I rest my case.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #118 posted 05/11/18 4:24pm

FlyOnTheWall

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

^^^^^I give you, Exhibit A. I rest my case.^^^^^

[Edited 5/11/18 14:58pm]

Lets be clear about something. There’s a difference between doing that to people and speaking out about it. Your remark was narcissistic. I rest my case.

Ok.

Reply #119 posted 05/11/18 4:26pm

petalthecat

FlyOnTheWall said:

InThisBedIDream said:

Who's Andy Allo? Never heard of her. hmmm

She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend. nod

No she isn't

There's always a rainbow 🌈 , at the end of every rain ☔️
Reply #120 posted 05/11/18 5:02pm

FlyOnTheWall

petalthecat said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend. nod

No she isn't

Okay. Then, who is?

Reply #121 posted 05/11/18 5:16pm

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

petalthecat said:

No she isn't

Okay. Then, who is?

Lala's latest FB post is very suggestive. I wonder about her sometimes.The writer of Prince's article in Mojo magazine also said that he was with a beautiful Latina during the interview.I'm not sure she was an official girlfriend but I think they may have dated at one time.

[Edited 5/11/18 18:06pm]

Reply #122 posted 05/11/18 5:17pm

poppys

FlyOnTheWall said:

cloveringold85 said:

Women have more emotions than Men do, and women tend to be more expressive about their feelings than most men, so everytime one of Prince's ex GF or wives are mentioned, all hell breaks loose! We all have a difference of opinion regarding all of Prince's women and we are passionate about how we feel. We are entitled to our opinions, but it's when we start attacking each other, and muddying the waters, so-to-speak, that we get off-topic and then things just go from bad to worse.

.

Prince had exe's, and that was for good reason! lol

I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests. Without such a seriously enforced policy, certain Orgers know that they have a pass to target and cause mayhem on any thread they don't like.

And, without such consistent enforcement, limiting the number of threads about certain Prince love interests will not make one bit of difference. At all. Nothing will change. The band of disruptive Orgers will just do the same hateful things, only on super-long threads...which will still end up being removed/erased...which actually rewards the trouble-makers. It is a vicious, nonsensical cycle. And, it is taking a real toll on the credibility of Prince.org.


How about thread hogging & hijacking by one person with multiple IDs all replying to each other on the same topic ad nauseum? Can we have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy on that too?

Reply #123 posted 05/11/18 5:28pm

FlyOnTheWall

poppys said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests. Without such a seriously enforced policy, certain Orgers know that they have a pass to target and cause mayhem on any thread they don't like.

And, without such consistent enforcement, limiting the number of threads about certain Prince love interests will not make one bit of difference. At all. Nothing will change. The band of disruptive Orgers will just do the same hateful things, only on super-long threads...which will still end up being removed/erased...which actually rewards the trouble-makers. It is a vicious, nonsensical cycle. And, it is taking a real toll on the credibility of Prince.org.


How about thread hogging & hijacking by one person with multiple IDs all replying to each other on the same topic ad nauseum? Can we have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy on that too?

I absolutely agree: Prince.org definitely needs to crack down on people with multiple screen names who habitually manufacture a crowd to target and disrupt threads they don't like. I almost mentioned this Org phenomenon earlier, but that seems to really set some people off, causing them to threaten to "report" me to the moderators. Thanks for bringing that to the table, poppys!!

Reply #124 posted 05/11/18 6:11pm

petalthecat

FlyOnTheWall said:

petalthecat said:

No she isn't

Okay. Then, who is?

For starters, Prince and Andy or anyone close and reputable has never confirmed her being a girlfriend. Lots of people still believe that there was some serious publicity going on there, i happen to believe that there was a relationship. Or a dalliance, shall we say..it ended abruptly and they both moved on. From 2010 onwards (post Bria) P definitely surrounded himself with lots of female companions. We know of a few, Lala, Andy, that Swedish singer (forgotten her name!), Delilah, Natalya, Tamron, Damaris, Judith and maybe some we don't know of. I'm not saying all of these were intimate relationships but i have absolutely no reason to disbelieve Judith when she has stated she was his girlfriend for the last 2 years of his life. Even though you try your best to discredit her because it doesn't fit your agenda of him pining away and "reaching out" to Andy!

There's always a rainbow 🌈 , at the end of every rain ☔️
Reply #125 posted 05/11/18 6:21pm

pinkcashmere23

petalthecat said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Okay. Then, who is?

For starters, Prince and Andy or anyone close and reputable has never confirmed her being a girlfriend. Lots of people still believe that there was some serious publicity going on there, i happen to believe that there was a relationship. Or a dalliance, shall we say..it ended abruptly and they both moved on. From 2010 onwards (post Bria) P definitely surrounded himself with lots of female companions. We know of a few, Lala, Andy, that Swedish singer (forgotten her name!), Delilah, Natalya, Tamron, Damaris, Judith and maybe some we don't know of. I'm not saying all of these were intimate relationships but i have absolutely no reason to disbelieve Judith when she has stated she was his girlfriend for the last 2 years of his life. Even though you try your best to discredit her because it doesn't fit your agenda of him pining away and "reaching out" to Andy!

The Swedish singer is Snoh Aalegra. I wonder about her too with her traveling with him and the mention of 4 am doughnut outings.

Reply #126 posted 05/11/18 6:34pm

FlyOnTheWall

petalthecat said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Okay. Then, who is?

For starters, Prince and Andy or anyone close and reputable has never confirmed her being a girlfriend. Lots of people still believe that there was some serious publicity going on there, i happen to believe that there was a relationship. Or a dalliance, shall we say..it ended abruptly and they both moved on. From 2010 onwards (post Bria) P definitely surrounded himself with lots of female companions. We know of a few, Lala, Andy, that Swedish singer (forgotten her name!), Delilah, Natalya, Tamron, Damaris, Judith and maybe some we don't know of. I'm not saying all of these were intimate relationships but i have absolutely no reason to disbelieve Judith when she has stated she was his girlfriend for the last 2 years of his life. Even though you try your best to discredit her because it doesn't fit your agenda of him pining away and "reaching out" to Andy!

It's true that Prince was surrounded with beautiful women; however, like you, I don't think he was intimately involved with most of them. I'm curious, though: To what end do you think Prince would stage a relationship with Andy Allo?

Also, I think Judith Hill is a beautiful woman with immense musical talent; however, I just never saw any signs of a romantic involvement between Judith and Prince. My gut just always said otherwise. And, that was before the Carver County documents were released. Therein, in case you've not heard, THREE Prince insiders, when asked by the police, said that Prince and JH were not involved: Kirk, his bodyguard Chris, and his driver Kim. Why would they put themselves on the line to lie about P and JH?

Moreover, Kiran and Damaris pitched a FIT on social media after the New York Times article reporting Judith's claims of being romantically involved with Prince. One of them even said that she should not "romanticize" the situation. Now, if you are counting, you'll note that means that FIVE Prince insiders have cast serious doubts on JH's claims. In fact, I don't know about anyone else, but IMHO, that is beyond compelling evidence.

Now...with regard to Prince and Andy's relationship being unconfirmed, I thought that ship had sailed on the Org. Not only has his longtime hairdresser Kim Berry confirmed this fact in numerous interviews, but the UK documentary, in which Andy appeared, identified her as "Prince's girlfriend." So, I'm not even going to argue with you. It is what it is. That is all. Bye, petal!! wave

Reply #127 posted 05/11/18 6:36pm

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

petalthecat said:

For starters, Prince and Andy or anyone close and reputable has never confirmed her being a girlfriend. Lots of people still believe that there was some serious publicity going on there, i happen to believe that there was a relationship. Or a dalliance, shall we say..it ended abruptly and they both moved on. From 2010 onwards (post Bria) P definitely surrounded himself with lots of female companions. We know of a few, Lala, Andy, that Swedish singer (forgotten her name!), Delilah, Natalya, Tamron, Damaris, Judith and maybe some we don't know of. I'm not saying all of these were intimate relationships but i have absolutely no reason to disbelieve Judith when she has stated she was his girlfriend for the last 2 years of his life. Even though you try your best to discredit her because it doesn't fit your agenda of him pining away and "reaching out" to Andy!

The Swedish singer is Snoh Aalegra. I wonder about her too with her traveling with him and the mention of 4 am doughnut outings.

Didn't JH tell the police that, before her, Andy and Bria were his girlfriends?

Reply #128 posted 05/11/18 6:42pm

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

The Swedish singer is Snoh Aalegra. I wonder about her too with her traveling with him and the mention of 4 am doughnut outings.

Didn't JH tell the police that, before her, Andy and Bria were his girlfriends?

Yes she did. I would like to have heard the audio of the interview. From the transcript she seemed very shaken up,understandably.

Reply #129 posted 05/11/18 7:25pm

RJP1205

confused A thread about threads has more interest/comments than a thread about new music coming...
Reply #130 posted 05/11/18 8:39pm

petalthecat

Yup I still have no reason to disbelieve Judith, sorry. Not based on comments from unreliable sources and people who have no idea what went on behind P's bedroom door. And Damaris' rant sounded like jealousy to me, seems he was probably playing them both. And the question remains...why would she lie about it? To further her career? In a police interview she probably thought was private? Doesn't really add up. I honestly can't see the problem you have with it. It's hilarious watching you try to downplay every other woman he was associated with. We really don't know who his relationships were with or how he felt about anyone and never will so it's pointless speculating ad nauseam
There's always a rainbow 🌈 , at the end of every rain ☔️
Reply #131 posted 05/11/18 8:59pm

pinkcashmere23

petalthecat said:

Yup I still have no reason to disbelieve Judith, sorry. Not based on comments from unreliable sources and people who have no idea what went on behind P's bedroom door. And Damaris' rant sounded like jealousy to me, seems he was probably playing them both. And the question remains...why would she lie about it? To further her career? In a police interview she probably thought was private? Doesn't really add up. I honestly can't see the problem you have with it. It's hilarious watching you try to downplay every other woman he was associated with. We really don't know who his relationships were with or how he felt about anyone and never will so it's pointless speculating ad nauseam

Damaris said they were not involved and I believe her.She also had a boyfriend the entire time she was working with Prince from what she said in another twitter rant. It seems that Prince had several female friends but no real serious girlfriend. Judith didn't make the relationship sound that serious.She told them they were romantically involved. Some close to him said that he was not in a relationship and that he didn't have a girlfriend at the time.It's possible he and Judith were able to keep their relationship private but they must not have interacted much around others from what was said.

Reply #132 posted 05/11/18 9:21pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

You were acting like you were accused of starting 7 AA threads. That's why I asked, 'who said you started them'?

See, this is an example of the personal attacks I mentioned earlier. People do far too much of this on the Org. I think we need to be careful to read exactly what people write...and not project what we think they are really saying. Good grief. Please lay off me, Penny.

I have an original thought for you....quit playing the victim.

pimp2

Reply #133 posted 05/11/18 9:44pm

Krystalkisses

pinkcashmere23 said:

petalthecat said:

Yup I still have no reason to disbelieve Judith, sorry. Not based on comments from unreliable sources and people who have no idea what went on behind P's bedroom door. And Damaris' rant sounded like jealousy to me, seems he was probably playing them both. And the question remains...why would she lie about it? To further her career? In a police interview she probably thought was private? Doesn't really add up. I honestly can't see the problem you have with it. It's hilarious watching you try to downplay every other woman he was associated with. We really don't know who his relationships were with or how he felt about anyone and never will so it's pointless speculating ad nauseam

Damaris said they were not involved and I believe her.She also had a boyfriend the entire time she was working with Prince from what she said in another twitter rant. It seems that Prince had several female friends but no real serious girlfriend. Judith didn't make the relationship sound that serious.She told them they were romantically involved. Some close to him said that he was not in a relationship and that he didn't have a girlfriend at the time.It's possible he and Judith were able to keep their relationship private but they must not have interacted much around others from what was said.

Well I guess maybe you could be sleeping with someone and not be someone's gf and least not in the man's mind. So maybe it is a case of miscommunication. Also, I don't really know how opiates affect someone's libido. Is it realistic to think Prince had much interest in women and abusing painkillers?

Reply #134 posted 05/11/18 9:54pm

pinkcashmere23

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Damaris said they were not involved and I believe her.She also had a boyfriend the entire time she was working with Prince from what she said in another twitter rant. It seems that Prince had several female friends but no real serious girlfriend. Judith didn't make the relationship sound that serious.She told them they were romantically involved. Some close to him said that he was not in a relationship and that he didn't have a girlfriend at the time.It's possible he and Judith were able to keep their relationship private but they must not have interacted much around others from what was said.

Well I guess maybe you could be sleeping with someone and not be someone's gf and least not in the man's mind. So maybe it is a case of miscommunication. Also, I don't really know how opiates affect someone's libido. Is it realistic to think Prince had much interest in women and abusing painkillers?

I agree.From what Judith said in her interview with the authorities,he didn't seem to have much interest in anything.She said that he told her that everything was boring to him,even performing.

Reply #135 posted 05/11/18 9:58pm

Krystalkisses

pinkcashmere23 said:

Krystalkisses said:

Well I guess maybe you could be sleeping with someone and not be someone's gf and least not in the man's mind. So maybe it is a case of miscommunication. Also, I don't really know how opiates affect someone's libido. Is it realistic to think Prince had much interest in women and abusing painkillers?

I agree.From what Judith said in her interview with the authorities,he didn't seem to have much interest in anything.She said that he told her that everything was boring to him,even performing.

That is a major symptom of depression. Losing interest in things you once loved. sad

Reply #136 posted 05/11/18 10:09pm

pinkcashmere23

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I agree.From what Judith said in her interview with the authorities,he didn't seem to have much interest in anything.She said that he told her that everything was boring to him,even performing.

That is a major symptom of depression. Losing interest in things you once loved. sad

I know. I just wonder how long he had been like that and if those close to him were aware of it.

Reply #137 posted 05/11/18 11:00pm

FlyOnTheWall

petalthecat said:

Yup I still have no reason to disbelieve Judith, sorry. Not based on comments from unreliable sources and people who have no idea what went on behind P's bedroom door. And Damaris' rant sounded like jealousy to me, seems he was probably playing them both. And the question remains...why would she lie about it? To further her career? In a police interview she probably thought was private? Doesn't really add up. I honestly can't see the problem you have with it. It's hilarious watching you try to downplay every other woman he was associated with. We really don't know who his relationships were with or how he felt about anyone and never will so it's pointless speculating ad nauseam

So, his body guards and driver, who were around him virtually 24/7 are "unreliable sources"? Okay.

Plus, Damaris has said on the record that she and Prince were friends and that he was a mentor.

"Why would Judith lie?" you ask. I won't even speculate on that. Maybe she really believes what she told the police about being his girlfriend...but everyone who speaks on the record--and who was around Prince constantly and at his beck and call--seems to remember it differently. I think that is significant. I'm just saying.

Reply #138 posted 05/11/18 11:12pm

FlyOnTheWall

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Damaris said they were not involved and I believe her.She also had a boyfriend the entire time she was working with Prince from what she said in another twitter rant. It seems that Prince had several female friends but no real serious girlfriend. Judith didn't make the relationship sound that serious.She told them they were romantically involved. Some close to him said that he was not in a relationship and that he didn't have a girlfriend at the time.It's possible he and Judith were able to keep their relationship private but they must not have interacted much around others from what was said.

Well I guess maybe you could be sleeping with someone and not be someone's gf and least not in the man's mind. So maybe it is a case of miscommunication. Also, I don't really know how opiates affect someone's libido. Is it realistic to think Prince had much interest in women and abusing painkillers?

It has not even been established that JH was sleeping with Prince. I have heard that she stayed at a hotel in Chanhassen while she was working for extended periods at Paisley Park. And, based on the police interview I read, she seemed totally flummoxed when they asked her which side of the bed P slept on. After stumbling over the question, she eventually said that he slept on the side closest to the bathroom. And, we know for sure that when Prince flew her in to attend the Atlanta PAAM show, she told the police that she flew in the night before...and she was driven to her hotel. The more I think about it, that is probably a large part of why the bodyguards and driver say that she was not intimately involved with Prince: apparently, she didn't spend nights at The Park.



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Reply #139 posted 05/12/18 1:24am

benni

Even on a thread talking about the excessive threads, people are STILL going on about who was/wasn't his girlfriend/lover. Amazing.

Reply #140 posted 05/12/18 1:25am

SoulAlive

benni said:

Even on a thread talking about the excessive threads, people are STILL going on about who was/wasn't his girlfriend/lover. Amazing.

I know,right? nuts lol

Reply #141 posted 05/12/18 5:52am

pinkcashmere23

It appears that the thread order has changed on the board and some threads don't move when replied to.

[Edited 5/12/18 6:03am]

Reply #142 posted 05/12/18 6:11am

206Michelle

endiadj said:

disch said:

It's not all that confusing. I don't think there's more than 2 threads on the first page about any one associated. Exept for andy allo. She has 7.


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But the bigger problem is that "associate" has come to mean "girlfriend/wife" instead of professional collaborator, and the discussions are all about his personal relationships with these women, rather than professional.


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For example, the discussion of Janelle monae's excellent new album is in the "non-prince music" section. Would she not be considered an "associate"? what's the definition? if the definition is "lover/protegee" then just call this section that.



pinkcashmere23 said:


 



purplemist7777 said:


OldFriends4Sale said: Great! This is not AA.org

There are multiple posts about a few of the other female associates too. It is kind of confusing and a bit hard to follow.



 


Mayt e has 4.

Mayte was his wife, mother of his only child, and professional collaborator (muse, dancer, band member). Regardless of how one feels about her, her impact on his music and personal life was very significant.
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #143 posted 05/12/18 6:12am

poppys

This is insane Pink/Fly. We all know you post using multiple IDs. Get REAL. There is only one person shoving Andy down our throats on every thread. You are not doing her any favors either. She probably needs extra security. cop

Reply #144 posted 05/12/18 6:23am

pinkcashmere23

206Michelle said:

endiadj said:
Mayt e has 4.
Mayte was his wife, mother of his only child, and professional collaborator (muse, dancer, band member). Regardless of how one feels about her, her impact on his music and personal life was very significant.

Did Mayte's Appreciation thread get locked or did it expire? I didn't see the reply button.

Reply #145 posted 05/12/18 6:30am

pinkcashmere23

poppys said:

This is insane Pink/Fly. We all know you post using multiple IDs. Get REAL. There is only one person shoving Andy down our throats on every thread. You are not doing her any favors either. She probably needs extra security. cop

Actually,if you look at the thread created by purplerabbithole concerning Andy's letter,you will see that several posters responded to the thread and appeared to be interested in Prince and Andy's relationship.People can ignore threads they have no interest in. I'm sorry that you find it upsetting that several of Prince's fans like Andy,including some of us here.

Reply #146 posted 05/12/18 6:56am

FlyOnTheWall

poppys said:

This is insane Pink/Fly. We all know you post using multiple IDs. Get REAL. There is only one person shoving Andy down our throats on every thread. You are not doing her any favors either. She probably needs extra security. cop

Your claim is ridiculous and without merit. It is also an insidious personal attack. And, it raises a very interesting question: Why are you trying to make it seem that interest in Andy Allo is limited...and manufactured? I hate to break it to you, but people can see through your attempts to malign me. What you are attempting to do is obvious. Shame on you.

Reply #147 posted 05/12/18 6:59am

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

Even on a thread talking about the excessive threads, people are STILL going on about who was/wasn't his girlfriend/lover. Amazing.

Look at the bright side, benni: At least it's a good thread to push your book.

Reply #148 posted 05/12/18 7:12am

206Michelle

pinkcashmere23 said:

 



FlyOnTheWall said:


 



petalthecat said:


 


No she isn't



Okay. Then, who is?



Lala's latest FB post is very suggestive. I wonder about her sometimes.The writer of Prince's article in Mojo magazine also said that he was with a beautiful Latina during the interview.I'm not sure she was an official girlfriend but I think they may have dated at one time.


 


 


[Edited 5/11/18 18:06pm]


I wonder about Prince and Lala’s relationship as well.
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #149 posted 05/12/18 7:17am

pinkcashmere23

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Lala's latest FB post is very suggestive. I wonder about her sometimes.The writer of Prince's article in Mojo magazine also said that he was with a beautiful Latina during the interview.I'm not sure she was an official girlfriend but I think they may have dated at one time.

[Edited 5/11/18 18:06pm]

I wonder about Prince and Lala’s relationship as well.

Yes. He never said a thing about her.She was kind of a mystery. Her latest post on Facebook is interesting.

Reply #150 posted 05/12/18 7:20am

FlyOnTheWall

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Lala's latest FB post is very suggestive. I wonder about her sometimes.The writer of Prince's article in Mojo magazine also said that he was with a beautiful Latina during the interview.I'm not sure she was an official girlfriend but I think they may have dated at one time.

[Edited 5/11/18 18:06pm]

I wonder about Prince and Lala’s relationship as well.

Has her name come up in the Carver County documents and/or phone records?

Reply #151 posted 05/12/18 7:21am

PennyPurple

poppys said:

This is insane Pink/Fly. We all know you post using multiple IDs. Get REAL. There is only one person shoving Andy down our throats on every thread. You are not doing her any favors either. She probably needs extra security. cop

I've went from liking AA.....to see ya later, don't want to see ya no mo. Only because of posters who change threads (like this one) to nothing but AA.

Reply #152 posted 05/12/18 7:23am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said: I wonder about Prince and Lala’s relationship as well.

Has her name come up in the Carver County documents and/or phone records?

Not that I have heard of. She was never mentioned in any reports that I have read.I saw some familiar names in some of the emails that were sent after he passed. I noticed Shelbey Rodríguez and Esperanza.Hannah Simone said to call her.I think she was the actress from New Girl iirc.

[Edited 5/12/18 7:28am]

Reply #153 posted 05/12/18 7:27am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

poppys said:

This is insane Pink/Fly. We all know you post using multiple IDs. Get REAL. There is only one person shoving Andy down our throats on every thread. You are not doing her any favors either. She probably needs extra security. cop

I've went from liking AA.....to see ya later, don't want to see ya no mo. Only because of posters who change threads (like this one) to nothing but AA.

If you go back to the first or second page, you will see that it was actually posts like yours that brought her name into this thread. I have only been responding to such posts. And, IMHO, if you really like someone, it would take more than posts on Prince.org to change that.

Reply #154 posted 05/12/18 7:28am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

pinkcashmere23 said:

It appears that the thread order has changed on the board and some threads don't move when replied to.

[Edited 5/12/18 6:03am]

You clicked something on your browser

Sorted by time of last post.
Sort by time of first post

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Reply #155 posted 05/12/18 7:29am

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Has her name come up in the Carver County documents and/or phone records?

Not that I have heard of. She was never mentioned in any reports that I have read.

I guess that pretty much confirms what I've suspected all along: Lala exaggerates and embellishes her association with Prince.

[Edited 5/12/18 7:31am]

Reply #156 posted 05/12/18 7:32am

disch

Well looks like some folks (the usual suspects) took the moderators' request to "get it all out of their system" to heart on this thread. But anyone who's looked at this section knows tha some people's "system" has no limit.

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It seems that the vast majority of people who expressed an opinion on this thread want to see threads about the girlfriends consolidated in some way.

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My thought is: prince.org is a community. If the community seems to prefer a particular approach to make this a more inviting for everyone, with varied interests and opinions, to participate, then others shoud be wiling to go along with that. If they're not willing, then I'd wonder: is the person here to exchange ideas, info, and opinions with a robust communithy, or for some other reason?

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Listen I participate in some topics here that routinely get re-routed by moderators. Is that personally "annoying" or time-consuming to me? I guess, sometimes. But I also recognize that not every person here has the same interests as me, and that this community is a shared space, and I respect that.

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I hope that if the moderators take some efforts to change this section, no one then tries to express their disagreement by flooding the main board with complaints, attempting to divert unrelated threads to their preferred topic, etc. I think that woud be not helpful to this community at large.

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And if someonen REALLY can't tolerate the rules or atmosphere here, that they're able to find another place on the internet (or in real life) that's more the kind of community they're looking for.

FlyOnTheWall said:

I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests.

Reply #157 posted 05/12/18 7:32am

pinkcashmere23

OldFriends4Sale said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

It appears that the thread order has changed on the board and some threads don't move when replied to.

[Edited 5/12/18 6:03am]

Thanks! My computer has been acting up since spilling tea on my keyboard and it sometimes jumps around as a result. It probably did it with out me realizing it.

You clicked something on your browser

Sorted by time of last post.
Sort by time of first post

Reply #158 posted 05/12/18 7:33am

FlyOnTheWall

Duplicate Post.

[Edited 5/12/18 7:39am]

Reply #159 posted 05/12/18 7:37am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Not that I have heard of. She was never mentioned in any reports that I have read.

I guess that pretty much confirms what I've suspected all along: Lala exaggerates and embellishes her association with Prince.

[Edited 5/12/18 7:31am]

I don't know. She has some video clips on her IG that were posted in September of 2013 while at the Mall of America and what she said was taken at the arboretum in Eden Prairie. She was in Minneapolis for some reason.

Reply #160 posted 05/12/18 7:38am

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

Well looks like some folks (the usual suspects) took the moderators' request to "get it all out of their system" to heart on this thread. But anyone who's looked at this section knows tha some people's "system" has no limit.

-

It seems that the vast majority of people who expressed an opinion on this thread want to see threads about the girlfriends consolidated in some way.

-

My thought is: prince.org is a community. If the community seems to prefer a particular approach to make this a more inviting for everyone, with varied interests and opinions, to participate, then others shoud be wiling to go along with that. If they're not willing, then I'd wonder: is the person here to exchange ideas, info, and opinions with a robust communithy, or for some other reason?

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Listen I participate in some topics here that routinely get re-routed by moderators. Is that personally "annoying" or time-consuming to me? I guess, sometimes. But I also recognize that not every person here has the same interests as me, and that this community is a shared space, and I respect that.

-

I hope that if the moderators take some efforts to change this section, no one then tries to express their disagreement by flooding the main board with complaints, attempting to divert unrelated threads to their preferred topic, etc. I think that woud be not helpful to this community at large.

-

And if someonen REALLY can't tolerate the rules or atmosphere here, that they're able to find another place on the internet (or in real life) that's more the kind of community they're looking for.

FlyOnTheWall said:

I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests.

So, you've done a formal count? In so doing, are you able to weed out the people with multiple screen names who set out to skew perceptions here on Prince.org?

Reply #161 posted 05/12/18 7:41am

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I guess that pretty much confirms what I've suspected all along: Lala exaggerates and embellishes her association with Prince.

[Edited 5/12/18 7:31am]

I don't know. She has some video clips on her IG that were posted in September of 2013 while at the Mall of America and what she said was taken at the arboretum in Eden Prairie. She was in Minneapolis for some reason.

I didn't say that I suspect that her association is fabricated. I said exaggerated.

Reply #162 posted 05/12/18 7:47am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I don't know. She has some video clips on her IG that were posted in September of 2013 while at the Mall of America and what she said was taken at the arboretum in Eden Prairie. She was in Minneapolis for some reason.

I didn't say that I suspect that her association is fabricated. I said exaggerated.

I wonder about that as well. She may have been working on a project for him at the time. The screen shot of the email that appears to be from him,looks like he was teasing her about how long it took for her to get ready to go out.

Reply #163 posted 05/12/18 7:51am

disch

Nope, no formal count! But I'm very confident in my assessment. Feel free to formally count (people who posted on this thread expressly supporting unlimited threads about the same girlfiend vs people who posted on this thread supporting consolidation of threads about the same girlfriend and/or other limitations) and prove me wrong.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Well looks like some folks (the usual suspects) took the moderators' request to "get it all out of their system" to heart on this thread. But anyone who's looked at this section knows tha some people's "system" has no limit.

-

It seems that the vast majority of people who expressed an opinion on this thread want to see threads about the girlfriends consolidated in some way.

-

My thought is: prince.org is a community. If the community seems to prefer a particular approach to make this a more inviting for everyone, with varied interests and opinions, to participate, then others shoud be wiling to go along with that. If they're not willing, then I'd wonder: is the person here to exchange ideas, info, and opinions with a robust communithy, or for some other reason?

-

Listen I participate in some topics here that routinely get re-routed by moderators. Is that personally "annoying" or time-consuming to me? I guess, sometimes. But I also recognize that not every person here has the same interests as me, and that this community is a shared space, and I respect that.

-

I hope that if the moderators take some efforts to change this section, no one then tries to express their disagreement by flooding the main board with complaints, attempting to divert unrelated threads to their preferred topic, etc. I think that woud be not helpful to this community at large.

-

And if someonen REALLY can't tolerate the rules or atmosphere here, that they're able to find another place on the internet (or in real life) that's more the kind of community they're looking for.

So, you've done a formal count? In so doing, are you able to weed out the people with multiple screen names who set out to skew perceptions here on Prince.org?

[Edited 5/12/18 7:53am]

Reply #164 posted 05/12/18 7:52am

PennyPurple

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

I've went from liking AA.....to see ya later, don't want to see ya no mo. Only because of posters who change threads (like this one) to nothing but AA.

If you go back to the first or second page, you will see that it was actually posts like yours that brought her name into this thread. I have only been responding to such posts. And, IMHO, if you really like someone, it would take more than posts on Prince.org to change that.

AA, You(fly) & pink is the reason this change is happening. I didn't bring AA love life into this thread, I said there are so many threads about AA. You have run with the love story on this thread and every thread, we can't talk about Judith Hill, Natayla without you bringing AA into it, other people have told you to stop hijacking their threads.


Was I the biggest AA fan ever, NO do I like AA, yes. Right now I'm sick of hearing so much about AA and 1/2 of it isn't even true, that I can't stand to hear her name.


So keep running with your fantasy Fly, because my bet is, you've turned quite a few people off to AA.


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What this forum needs is an ignore button.

Reply #165 posted 05/12/18 7:55am

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

Nope, no formal count! But I'm very confident in my assessment. Feel free formally count (people who posted on this thread expressly supporting unlimited threads about the same girlfiend vs people who posted on this thread supporting consolidation of threads about the same girlfriend) and prove me wrong.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

So, you've done a formal count? In so doing, are you able to weed out the people with multiple screen names who set out to skew perceptions here on Prince.org?

Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different. nod

Reply #166 posted 05/12/18 7:59am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

If you go back to the first or second page, you will see that it was actually posts like yours that brought her name into this thread. I have only been responding to such posts. And, IMHO, if you really like someone, it would take more than posts on Prince.org to change that.

AA, You(fly) & pink is the reason this change is happening. I didn't bring AA love life into this thread, I said there are so many threads about AA. You have run with the love story on this thread and every thread, we can't talk about Judith Hill, Natayla without you bringing AA into it, other people have told you to stop hijacking their threads.


Was I the biggest AA fan ever, NO do I like AA, yes. Right now I'm sick of hearing so much about AA and 1/2 of it isn't even true, that I can't stand to hear her name.


So keep running with your fantasy Fly, because my bet is, you've turned quite a few people off to AA.


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What this forum needs is an ignore button.

I see I'm not the only one who suspects that this whole thread is about trying to tamp down interest in and enthusiasm for Andy Allo. That's deep. But there's no problem with thread after thread about Mayte and whatever Prince product(s) she is selling.

Reply #167 posted 05/12/18 8:04am

PennyPurple

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

AA, You(fly) & pink is the reason this change is happening. I didn't bring AA love life into this thread, I said there are so many threads about AA. You have run with the love story on this thread and every thread, we can't talk about Judith Hill, Natayla without you bringing AA into it, other people have told you to stop hijacking their threads.


Was I the biggest AA fan ever, NO do I like AA, yes. Right now I'm sick of hearing so much about AA and 1/2 of it isn't even true, that I can't stand to hear her name.


So keep running with your fantasy Fly, because my bet is, you've turned quite a few people off to AA.


---------------


What this forum needs is an ignore button.

I see I'm not the only one who suspects that this whole thread is about trying to tamp down interest in and enthusiasm for Andy Allo. That's deep. But there's no problem with thread after thread about Mayte and whatever Prince product(s) she is selling.

Personally, I could do without those threads too.


I think it should be 1 (one) thread per associate to discuss anything about said associate and be done with it. I don't know why we need all of these different threads about the same associate. Just combine them to 1 thread of their own.



Reply #168 posted 05/12/18 8:04am

pinkcashmere23

Will the ones such as Mayte's Appreciation thread no longer be allowed? As I mentioned earlier,it appears to be locked.

Reply #169 posted 05/12/18 8:08am

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

Will the ones such as Mayte's Appreciation thread no longer be allowed? As I mentioned earlier,it appears to be locked.

I would guess that thread probably self-locked. It had been open for months now.

Reply #170 posted 05/12/18 8:13am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I see I'm not the only one who suspects that this whole thread is about trying to tamp down interest in and enthusiasm for Andy Allo. That's deep. But there's no problem with thread after thread about Mayte and whatever Prince product(s) she is selling.

Personally, I could do without those threads too.


I think it should be 1 (one) thread per associate to discuss anything about said associate and be done with it. I don't know why we need all of these different threads about the same associate. Just combine them to 1 thread of their own.



The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?

Reply #171 posted 05/12/18 8:14am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Will the ones such as Mayte's Appreciation thread no longer be allowed? As I mentioned earlier,it appears to be locked.

I would guess that thread probably self-locked. It had been open for months now.

That's what I was thinking since the last post was on May 2nd.

Reply #172 posted 05/12/18 8:14am

PennyPurple

Change can't come soon enough for me.



Reply #173 posted 05/12/18 8:15am

FlyOnTheWall

Be careful what you ask for.

Reply #174 posted 05/12/18 8:17am

PennyPurple

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

Personally, I could do without those threads too.


I think it should be 1 (one) thread per associate to discuss anything about said associate and be done with it. I don't know why we need all of these different threads about the same associate. Just combine them to 1 thread of their own.



The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?

I do scroll right past them. If you notice my commenting on the associate threads has dwindled down quite a bit.


Change has to come because it is starting to be a huge problem, that has spun out of control.

Reply #175 posted 05/12/18 8:19am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?

I do scroll right past them. If you notice my commenting on the associate threads has dwindled down quite a bit.


Change has to come because it is starting to be a huge problem, that has spun out of control.

Actually, I had not noticed.

Reply #176 posted 05/12/18 8:20am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

PennyPurple said:

Personally, I could do without those threads too.


I think it should be 1 (one) thread per associate to discuss anything about said associate and be done with it. I don't know why we need all of these different threads about the same associate. Just combine them to 1 thread of their own.



I agree.

Then when they self lock thread can be started as they do for all other threads on PM&M.

Reply #177 posted 05/12/18 8:22am

pinkcashmere23

I liked the Appreciation threads and participated in all of them.I also don't see a problem with a thread dedicated to a certain album or project of a protege or associated artist.I did think an update thread to keep up with news like OF4S suggested in one of Latin's threads about Andy was a good idea.

Reply #178 posted 05/12/18 8:23am

disch

Many other forums have ignore buttons for specific posters, to make it easier to avoid seeing posts from people who you don’t want to see.
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Would you object to adding that functionality to this site fly? If so why?
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FlyOnTheWall said:

 



PennyPurple said:


 



FlyOnTheWall said:


 


I see I'm not the only one who suspects that this whole thread is about trying to tamp down interest in and enthusiasm for Andy Allo. That's deep. But there's no problem with thread after thread about Mayte and whatever Prince product(s) she is selling.



Personally, I could do without those threads too. 



I think it should be 1 (one) thread per associate to discuss anything about said associate and be done with it. I don't know why we need all of these different threads about the same associate. Just combine them to 1 thread of their own. 






The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?

Reply #179 posted 05/12/18 8:27am

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

Many other forums have ignore buttons for specific posters, to make it easier to avoid seeing posts from people who you don’t want to see. - Would you object to adding that functionality to this site fly? If so why? - FlyOnTheWall said:

The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?

Not at all, disch; however, I was making a point about the scrolling function that might have escaped you. In fact, I would LOVE to be able to push a button to block certain Orgers...but I don't see how that would work unless it were for orgNotes.

[Edited 5/12/18 8:30am]

Reply #180 posted 05/12/18 8:35am

disch

It’s common on many forums.
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And why are you opposed to people being able to hit an ignore button in threads that hold no interest for them?
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By the way you’ve now accused people several times of posting under multiple names.
Am I one of those people? What other names do I post under?
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FlyOnTheWall said:

 



disch said:


Many other forums have ignore buttons for specific posters, to make it easier to avoid seeing posts from people who you don’t want to see. - Would you object to adding that functionality to this site fly? If so why? - FlyOnTheWall said:

 


The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?




Not at all, disch; however, I was making a point about the scrolling function that might have escaped you. In fact, I would LOVE to be able to push a button to block certain Orgers...but I don't see how that would work unless it were for orgNotes. 

[Edited 5/12/18 8:30am]

Reply #181 posted 05/12/18 8:42am

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

It’s common on many forums. - And why are you opposed to people being able to hit an ignore button in threads that hold no interest for them? - By the way you’ve now accused people several times of posting under multiple names. Am I one of those people? What other names do I post under? - FlyOnTheWall said:

Not at all, disch; however, I was making a point about the scrolling function that might have escaped you. In fact, I would LOVE to be able to push a button to block certain Orgers...but I don't see how that would work unless it were for orgNotes.

[Edited 5/12/18 8:30am]

When did I say that I was opposed to an ignore button????? I'll wait. Moreover, please don't attribute things that I didn't say to me. If you go back a page or two, you will notice that someone accused me of having multiple screen names, so that's where that thought came from on this thread. Did you not notice that? Why not call that Orger out for their direct personal attack instead of constantly zeroing in on me, disch? Why are you always shadowing me?

Reply #182 posted 05/12/18 8:52am

disch

Sigh.

Ok: post #165, you said in a reply TO ME (on a post I wrote that had nothing to do with “multiple screen names”):
“Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different.” That’s what prompted me to ask you if I was one of your “multiple screen name” posters and if not who is.
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And re ignore function: in post 170 you wrote: “the "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?”
-


FlyOnTheWall said:

 



disch said:


It’s common on many forums. - And why are you opposed to people being able to hit an ignore button in threads that hold no interest for them? - By the way you’ve now accused people several times of posting under multiple names. Am I one of those people? What other names do I post under? - FlyOnTheWall said:

 


Not at all, disch; however, I was making a point about the scrolling function that might have escaped you. In fact, I would LOVE to be able to push a button to block certain Orgers...but I don't see how that would work unless it were for orgNotes. 


[Edited 5/12/18 8:30am]




When did I say that I was opposed to an ignore button????? I'll wait. Moreover, please don't attribute things that I didn't say to me. If you go back a page or two, you will notice that someone accused me of having multiple screen names, so that's where that thought came from on this thread. Did you not notice that? Why not call that Orger out for their direct personal attack instead of constantly zeroing in on me, disch? Why are you always shadowing me?


[Edited 5/12/18 8:57am]
Reply #183 posted 05/12/18 8:58am

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

Sigh. Ok: post #165, you said in a reply TO ME (on a post I wrote that had nothing to do with “multiple screen names”): “Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different.” That’s what prompted me to ask you if I was one of your “multiple screen name” posters and if not who is. - FlyOnTheWall said:

When did I say that I was opposed to an ignore button????? I'll wait. Moreover, please don't attribute things that I didn't say to me. If you go back a page or two, you will notice that someone accused me of having multiple screen names, so that's where that thought came from on this thread. Did you not notice that? Why not call that Orger out for their direct personal attack instead of constantly zeroing in on me, disch? Why are you always shadowing me?

What is your point, disch? I never said that I made no mention of multiple screen names. BTW: There is at least one other time I mentioned it in this thread (Reply #123). I tell you, it's really interesting how you have zeroed in on this whole multiple screen name thing. Very interesting.

Reply #184 posted 05/12/18 8:59am

PennyPurple

It's no use disch, they flood the threads so much they forget what they say.

disch said:

Sigh. Ok: post #165, you said in a reply TO ME (on a post I wrote that had nothing to do with “multiple screen names”): “Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different.” That’s what prompted me to ask you if I was one of your “multiple screen name” posters and if not who is. - And re ignore function: in post 170 you wrote: “the "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?” - FlyOnTheWall said:

Reply #185 posted 05/12/18 9:05am

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

Sigh. Ok: post #165, you said in a reply TO ME (on a post I wrote that had nothing to do with “multiple screen names”): “Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different.” That’s what prompted me to ask you if I was one of your “multiple screen name” posters and if not who is. - And re ignore function: in post 170 you wrote: “the "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?” - FlyOnTheWall said:

When did I say that I was opposed to an ignore button????? I'll wait. Moreover, please don't attribute things that I didn't say to me. If you go back a page or two, you will notice that someone accused me of having multiple screen names, so that's where that thought came from on this thread. Did you not notice that? Why not call that Orger out for their direct personal attack instead of constantly zeroing in on me, disch? Why are you always shadowing me?

[Edited 5/12/18 8:57am]

If you go back to Reply #164, disch, you will see that Penny mentioned the "ignore button," to which I responded in Reply #170. But that doesn't mean that I "oppose an ignore button." So, I accept your apology in advance for falsely accusing me in this regard.

Reply #186 posted 05/12/18 9:09am

disch

I’m “zeroing in” because you brought it up in a response directed at me.
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So what are the other screenanrs I post under?

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



disch said:


Sigh. Ok: post #165, you said in a reply TO ME (on a post I wrote that had nothing to do with “multiple screen names”): “Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different.” That’s what prompted me to ask you if I was one of your “multiple screen name” posters and if not who is. - FlyOnTheWall said:

 


When did I say that I was opposed to an ignore button????? I'll wait. Moreover, please don't attribute things that I didn't say to me. If you go back a page or two, you will notice that someone accused me of having multiple screen names, so that's where that thought came from on this thread. Did you not notice that? Why not call that Orger out for their direct personal attack instead of constantly zeroing in on me, disch? Why are you always shadowing me?




What is your point, disch? I never said that I made no mention of multiple screen names. BTW: There is at least one other time I mentioned it in this thread (Reply #123). I tell you, it's really interesting how you have zeroed in on this whole multiple screen name thing. Very interesting.

Reply #187 posted 05/12/18 9:12am

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

I’m “zeroing in” because you brought it up in a response directed at me. - So what are the other screenanrs I post under? FlyOnTheWall said:

What is your point, disch? I never said that I made no mention of multiple screen names. BTW: There is at least one other time I mentioned it in this thread (Reply #123). I tell you, it's really interesting how you have zeroed in on this whole multiple screen name thing. Very interesting.

Let it go, disch. You know who you are.

Reply #188 posted 05/12/18 9:14am

disch

I’m not apologizing to you fly. I didn’t “accuse” you of anything. I quoted your post where you said “an ignore button is mental.”
/
but I’m glad that you clarified that you in fact DO support this board introducing an ignore function that applies to both threads and posters! While I don’t see that functionality happening, it’s good to know that’s one thing that we do agree on, at least in theory.
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So what other screen names do I post under? I’m really curious!

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



disch said:


Sigh. Ok: post #165, you said in a reply TO ME (on a post I wrote that had nothing to do with “multiple screen names”): “Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different.” That’s what prompted me to ask you if I was one of your “multiple screen name” posters and if not who is. - And re ignore function: in post 170 you wrote: “the "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?” - FlyOnTheWall said:

 


When did I say that I was opposed to an ignore button????? I'll wait. Moreover, please don't attribute things that I didn't say to me. If you go back a page or two, you will notice that someone accused me of having multiple screen names, so that's where that thought came from on this thread. Did you not notice that? Why not call that Orger out for their direct personal attack instead of constantly zeroing in on me, disch? Why are you always shadowing me?



[Edited 5/12/18 8:57am]

If you go back to Reply #164, disch, you will see that Penny mentioned the "ignore button," to which I responded in Reply #170. But that doesn't mean that I "oppose an ignore button." So, I accept your apology in advance for falsely accusing me in this regard. 

Reply #189 posted 05/12/18 9:16am

disch

I know. I anticipate this thread will be locked up soon and whatever new rules the moderators have for this section will be coming shortly.


PennyPurple said:

It's no use disch, they flood the threads so much they forget what they say. 



disch said:


Sigh. Ok: post #165, you said in a reply TO ME (on a post I wrote that had nothing to do with “multiple screen names”): “Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different.” That’s what prompted me to ask you if I was one of your “multiple screen name” posters and if not who is. - And re ignore function: in post 170 you wrote: “the "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?” - FlyOnTheWall said:

 


 



Reply #190 posted 05/12/18 9:32am

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

Personally, I could do without those threads too.


I think it should be 1 (one) thread per associate to discuss anything about said associate and be done with it. I don't know why we need all of these different threads about the same associate. Just combine them to 1 thread of their own.



The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?


Actually, the original topic (the thread title) may interest a lot of people, however, once you open the page and it has turned into page after page of comments regarding his relationship with this person or that one, what he and/or she was wearing, what he or she said at this or that concert, and pictures and articles that have absolutely nothing to do with the original thread....makes it kind of hard to ignore.

Case in point: "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

In post number 5, it turns to their relationship, instead of focusing on the album as the thread title implies the thread will be about the ablum. In other words, the thread title is just click bait.

Reply #191 posted 05/12/18 9:37am

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?


Actually, the original topic (the thread title) may interest a lot of people, however, once you open the page and it has turned into page after page of comments regarding his relationship with this person or that one, what he and/or she was wearing, what he or she said at this or that concert, and pictures and articles that have absolutely nothing to do with the original thread....makes it kind of hard to ignore.

Case in point: "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

In post number 5, it turns to their relationship, instead of focusing on the album as the thread title implies the thread will be about the ablum. In other words, the thread title is just click bait.

Are you serious??? I think it's abundantly clear that the tribute video is a retrospective about their relationship. I mean, do you find the video title, "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ," somehow ambiguous??? ohgoon

Reply #192 posted 05/12/18 9:39am

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

I’m not apologizing to you fly. I didn’t “accuse” you of anything. I quoted your post where you said “an ignore button is mental.” / but I’m glad that you clarified that you in fact DO support this board introducing an ignore function that applies to both threads and posters! While I don’t see that functionality happening, it’s good to know that’s one thing that we do agree on, at least in theory. - So what other screen names do I post under? I’m really curious! FlyOnTheWall said:

If you go back to Reply #164, disch, you will see that Penny mentioned the "ignore button," to which I responded in Reply #170. But that doesn't mean that I "oppose an ignore button." So, I accept your apology in advance for falsely accusing me in this regard.

In case you are unfamiliar with the concept of metaphors, disch, my "ignore button" statement was metaphorical.

Reply #193 posted 05/12/18 9:40am

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:


Actually, the original topic (the thread title) may interest a lot of people, however, once you open the page and it has turned into page after page of comments regarding his relationship with this person or that one, what he and/or she was wearing, what he or she said at this or that concert, and pictures and articles that have absolutely nothing to do with the original thread....makes it kind of hard to ignore.

Case in point: "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

In post number 5, it turns to their relationship, instead of focusing on the album as the thread title implies the thread will be about the ablum. In other words, the thread title is just click bait.

Are you serious??? I think it's abundantly clear that the tribute video is a retrospective about their relationship. I mean, do you find the video title, "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ," somehow ambiguous??? ohgoon


Yes, when the thread title states "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. I expect it to be about the album and/or tribute video, NOT about their relationship. Not about what they were wearing. Not about "why oh why did it end so soon".

Reply #194 posted 05/12/18 9:51am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:


Actually, the original topic (the thread title) may interest a lot of people, however, once you open the page and it has turned into page after page of comments regarding his relationship with this person or that one, what he and/or she was wearing, what he or she said at this or that concert, and pictures and articles that have absolutely nothing to do with the original thread....makes it kind of hard to ignore.

Case in point: "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

In post number 5, it turns to their relationship, instead of focusing on the album as the thread title implies the thread will be about the ablum. In other words, the thread title is just click bait.

Are you serious??? I think it's abundantly clear that the tribute video is a retrospective about their relationship. I mean, do you find the video title, "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ," somehow ambiguous??? ohgoon

I thought the thread was about both the album and their relationship. The person who created the video meant it as a tribute to them as a couple.

Reply #195 posted 05/12/18 9:52am

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Are you serious??? I think it's abundantly clear that the tribute video is a retrospective about their relationship. I mean, do you find the video title, "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ," somehow ambiguous??? ohgoon


Yes, when the thread title states "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. I expect it to be about the album and/or tribute video, NOT about their relationship. Not about what they were wearing. Not about "why oh why did it end so soon".

The subtitle of the video is "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead," which is a lyric taken from Prince's "Rocknroll Loveaffair." Given that, what did you expect the thread to be about? And, what in the world is wrong with discussing what they were wearing??? There has always been a fascination about Prince's attire. Sheesh.

Reply #196 posted 05/12/18 10:03am

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:


Yes, when the thread title states "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. I expect it to be about the album and/or tribute video, NOT about their relationship. Not about what they were wearing. Not about "why oh why did it end so soon".

The subtitle of the video is "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead," which is a lyric taken from Prince's "Rocknroll Loveaffair." Given that, what did you expect the thread to be about? And, what in the world is wrong with discussing what they were wearing??? There has always been a fascination about Prince's attire. Sheesh.


Again, "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. One would expect it to be about the Oui Can Love album.

It wasn't just about what they wearing, but WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ALBUM?

And it wasn't just about what they wearing, but "She was wearing another one of his shirts".

Then the discussion goes on to talk about everything BUT the "Oui Can Love" album.

Reply #197 posted 05/12/18 10:09am

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

The subtitle of the video is "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead," which is a lyric taken from Prince's "Rocknroll Loveaffair." Given that, what did you expect the thread to be about? And, what in the world is wrong with discussing what they were wearing??? There has always been a fascination about Prince's attire. Sheesh.


Again, "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. One would expect it to be about the Oui Can Love album.

It wasn't just about what they wearing, but WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ALBUM?

And it wasn't just about what they wearing, but "She was wearing another one of his shirts".

Then the discussion goes on to talk about everything BUT the "Oui Can Love" album.

I can't even take your meddling comments seriously. I'm relegating this to my "trolling" file. Bye, benni. wave

Reply #198 posted 05/12/18 10:13am

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:


Again, "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. One would expect it to be about the Oui Can Love album.

It wasn't just about what they wearing, but WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ALBUM?

And it wasn't just about what they wearing, but "She was wearing another one of his shirts".

Then the discussion goes on to talk about everything BUT the "Oui Can Love" album.

I can't even take your meddling comments seriously. I'm relegating this to my "trolling" file. Bye, benni. wave


Of course you can't, because you don't like hearing the truth. The title of the thread is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. In other words, the album that was used for the tribute video, NOT THEIR RELATIONSHIP. And you are an expert on trolling. So wave right back atcha.

[Edited 5/12/18 10:14am]

Reply #199 posted 05/12/18 10:23am

pinkcashmere23

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I can't even take your meddling comments seriously. I'm relegating this to my "trolling" file. Bye, benni. wave


Of course you can't, because you don't like hearing the truth. The title of the thread is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. In other words, the album that was used for the tribute video, NOT THEIR RELATIONSHIP. And you are an expert on trolling. So wave right back atcha.

[Edited 5/12/18 10:14am]

I thought the thread was created for the Prince & Andy tribute video celebrating their relationship that is set to the OCL album not the album itself.

[Edited 5/12/18 10:25am]

Reply #200 posted 05/12/18 10:32am

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I can't even take your meddling comments seriously. I'm relegating this to my "trolling" file. Bye, benni. wave


Of course you can't, because you don't like hearing the truth. The title of the thread is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. In other words, the album that was used for the tribute video, NOT THEIR RELATIONSHIP. And you are an expert on trolling. So wave right back atcha.

[Edited 5/12/18 10:14am]

No, benni, you are just flat-out wrong. And, you are being a meddling busybody. The title of the thread is "'Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ." That is the thread title. The actual video title is, "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

And, I have no problem with the truth; however, that is not what you are promoting here. As I see it, you are trolling...and promoting your book. That's right. I said it. Sorry, not sorry.

Reply #201 posted 05/12/18 10:46am

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:


Of course you can't, because you don't like hearing the truth. The title of the thread is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video. In other words, the album that was used for the tribute video, NOT THEIR RELATIONSHIP. And you are an expert on trolling. So wave right back atcha.

[Edited 5/12/18 10:14am]

No, benni, you are just flat-out wrong. And, you are being a meddling busybody. The title of the thread is "'Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ." That is the thread title. The actual video title is, "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

And, I have no problem with the truth; however, that is not what you are promoting here. As I see it, you are trolling...and promoting your book. That's right. I said it. Sorry, not sorry.


A meddling busybody? Please explain how you get that? lol I'm commenting on a PUBLIC forum, on threads that are open to the public. Meddling defined is "to involve oneself in a matter without right or invitation; interfereofficiously and unwantedly". If you did not want someone to "involve oneself" then why post on a PUBLIC forum? The whole intent of posting on a public forum, threads open for discussion, is that you are "INVITING" others to respond.

The TITLE OF THE THREAD is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video, the tribute video is "2 people in love..." If you had wanted the thread to be about the tribute video, then title it appropriately. Such as, "New Tribute Video which chronicles Andy's and Prince's relationship" ... See the difference?

You do realize that is a lyric in the song, that's all.

Reply #202 posted 05/12/18 10:56am

pinkcashmere23

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

No, benni, you are just flat-out wrong. And, you are being a meddling busybody. The title of the thread is "'Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ." That is the thread title. The actual video title is, "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

And, I have no problem with the truth; however, that is not what you are promoting here. As I see it, you are trolling...and promoting your book. That's right. I said it. Sorry, not sorry.


A meddling busybody? Please explain how you get that? lol I'm commenting on a PUBLIC forum, on threads that are open to the public. Meddling defined is "to involve oneself in a matter without right or invitation; interfereofficiously and unwantedly". If you did not want someone to "involve oneself" then why post on a PUBLIC forum? The whole intent of posting on a public forum, threads open for discussion, is that you are "INVITING" others to respond.

The TITLE OF THE THREAD is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video, the tribute video is "2 people in love..." If you had wanted the thread to be about the tribute video, then title it appropriately. Such as, "New Tribute Video which chronicles Andy's and Prince's relationship" ... See the difference?

You do realize that is a lyric in the song, that's all.

But the tribute video is set to the Oui Can Love album so I think that should have been mentioned. The video is made up of a series of photos of them as a couple.

Reply #203 posted 05/12/18 10:58am

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

No, benni, you are just flat-out wrong. And, you are being a meddling busybody. The title of the thread is "'Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ." That is the thread title. The actual video title is, "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... "

And, I have no problem with the truth; however, that is not what you are promoting here. As I see it, you are trolling...and promoting your book. That's right. I said it. Sorry, not sorry.


A meddling busybody? Please explain how you get that? lol I'm commenting on a PUBLIC forum, on threads that are open to the public. Meddling defined is "to involve oneself in a matter without right or invitation; interfereofficiously and unwantedly". If you did not want someone to "involve oneself" then why post on a PUBLIC forum? The whole intent of posting on a public forum, threads open for discussion, is that you are "INVITING" others to respond.

The TITLE OF THE THREAD is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video, the tribute video is "2 people in love..." If you had wanted the thread to be about the tribute video, then title it appropriately. Such as, "New Tribute Video which chronicles Andy's and Prince's relationship" ... See the difference?

You do realize that is a lyric in the song, that's all.

Whatever, benni. At least get the title of the thread right: "'Oui Can Luv' Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: '2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead'... " It's a mouthful, I know, but that's the title. You would better understand that if you had actually watched the beautifully produced video...and were not just trolling and trying to have the thread erased by the moderators.

And, by the way, a synonym for "busybody" is "meddler," which is exactly what you are doing here: MEDDLING. nod

Edited to add this: WHO ARE YOU TO TRY TO TELL ME HOW TO TITLE A THREAD THAT I CREATED?????????????? rolleyes omg disbelief hmph! pissed talk to the hand



[Edited 5/12/18 11:05am]

Reply #204 posted 05/12/18 11:05am

benni

pinkcashmere23 said:

benni said:


A meddling busybody? Please explain how you get that? lol I'm commenting on a PUBLIC forum, on threads that are open to the public. Meddling defined is "to involve oneself in a matter without right or invitation; interfereofficiously and unwantedly". If you did not want someone to "involve oneself" then why post on a PUBLIC forum? The whole intent of posting on a public forum, threads open for discussion, is that you are "INVITING" others to respond.

The TITLE OF THE THREAD is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video, the tribute video is "2 people in love..." If you had wanted the thread to be about the tribute video, then title it appropriately. Such as, "New Tribute Video which chronicles Andy's and Prince's relationship" ... See the difference?

You do realize that is a lyric in the song, that's all.

But the tribute video is set to the Oui Can Love album so I think that should have been mentioned. The video is made up of a series of photos of them as a couple.


Yes pink, but the thread title itself states it is about the album that was used for the tribute video. And many of the photos are on stage or in public appearances, not their private lives.

The whole point I was trying to make to Fly, was that she stated if someone doesn't like a thread or person, scroll past them. I like the "Oui Can Love" album, thought the tribute video was pretty nice, expected that is what the thread would be about, but instead it's pages of his relationship with Andy, what he or she was wearing (each other's clothes), their appearances together at this and that function, and why oh why did they end so soon....and really was not about the Oui Can Love album or about the tribute video.

That is why it makes it difficult for people to scroll past threads that would otherwise hold no interest for them. The thread title says it's about this, but the posts says it's about that. (If you noticed, I didn't post in that thread.) I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy or any of his other women. I started to read it and then saw it twist and turn as all threads relating to Andy do.

Reply #205 posted 05/12/18 11:10am

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:


A meddling busybody? Please explain how you get that? lol I'm commenting on a PUBLIC forum, on threads that are open to the public. Meddling defined is "to involve oneself in a matter without right or invitation; interfereofficiously and unwantedly". If you did not want someone to "involve oneself" then why post on a PUBLIC forum? The whole intent of posting on a public forum, threads open for discussion, is that you are "INVITING" others to respond.

The TITLE OF THE THREAD is "Oui Can Love" album used for tribute video, the tribute video is "2 people in love..." If you had wanted the thread to be about the tribute video, then title it appropriately. Such as, "New Tribute Video which chronicles Andy's and Prince's relationship" ... See the difference?

You do realize that is a lyric in the song, that's all.

Whatever, benni. At least get the title of the thread right: "'Oui Can Luv' Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: '2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead'... " It's a mouthful, I know, but that's the title. You would better understand that if you had actually watched the beautifully produced video...and were not just trolling and trying to have the thread erased by the moderators.

And, by the way, a synonym for "busybody" is "meddler," which is exactly what you are doing here: MEDDLING. nod

Edited to add this: WHO ARE YOU TO TRY TO TELL ME HOW TO TITLE A THREAD THAT I CREATED?????????????? rolleyes omg disbelief hmph! pissed talk to the hand



[Edited 5/12/18 11:05am]



Again, it's a public forum. I'm not trying to get anything "shut down". If I were trying to get it shut down, I would just report it. And yes, I'm not typing that title out over and over again. Everyone can read the thread title at the actual thread. I did watch the tribute, thank you very much. But I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy. If the thread were actually about the album, or even the tribute video, then maybe I would participate, but as always, it evolved into something else entirely and has nothing to do with album or the tribute video itself. And I didn't TELL YOU to title thread...I was showing the difference between how the reality of the title with the actual subject matter, will make a difference in whether people choose to scroll past it, as you have suggested they do. So WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ANYONE TO SCROLL PAST A THREAD ON A PUBLIC FORUM?? rolleyes omg disbelief hmph! pissed talk to the hand

Reply #206 posted 05/12/18 11:12am

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

But the tribute video is set to the Oui Can Love album so I think that should have been mentioned. The video is made up of a series of photos of them as a couple.


Yes pink, but the thread title itself states it is about the album that was used for the tribute video. And many of the photos are on stage or in public appearances, not their private lives.

The whole point I was trying to make to Fly, was that she stated if someone doesn't like a thread or person, scroll past them. I like the "Oui Can Love" album, thought the tribute video was pretty nice, expected that is what the thread would be about, but instead it's pages of his relationship with Andy, what he or she was wearing (each other's clothes), their appearances together at this and that function, and why oh why did they end so soon....and really was not about the Oui Can Love album or about the tribute video.

That is why it makes it difficult for people to scroll past threads that would otherwise hold no interest for them. The thread title says it's about this, but the posts says it's about that. (If you noticed, I didn't post in that thread.) I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy or any of his other women. I started to read it and then saw it twist and turn as all threads relating to Andy do.

Where does it say that? The thread title says that the Oui Can Luv album was used to make a video called, "2 People in Luv, with nothing but the road ahead." In other words, the thread is about the video that was set to the music of the album. In it's broadest sense, the thread is about the album, the video, and "2 people in luv." What's wrong with that? Can't you see how offensive you are being right now?


Reply #207 posted 05/12/18 11:14am

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Whatever, benni. At least get the title of the thread right: "'Oui Can Luv' Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: '2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead'... " It's a mouthful, I know, but that's the title. You would better understand that if you had actually watched the beautifully produced video...and were not just trolling and trying to have the thread erased by the moderators.

And, by the way, a synonym for "busybody" is "meddler," which is exactly what you are doing here: MEDDLING. nod

Edited to add this: WHO ARE YOU TO TRY TO TELL ME HOW TO TITLE A THREAD THAT I CREATED?????????????? rolleyes omg disbelief hmph! pissed talk to the hand



[Edited 5/12/18 11:05am]



Again, it's a public forum. I'm not trying to get anything "shut down". If I were trying to get it shut down, I would just report it. And yes, I'm not typing that title out over and over again. Everyone can read the thread title at the actual thread. I did watch the tribute, thank you very much. But I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy. If the thread were actually about the album, or even the tribute video, then maybe I would participate, but as always, it evolved into something else entirely and has nothing to do with album or the tribute video itself. And I didn't TELL YOU to title thread...I was showing the difference between how the reality of the title with the actual subject matter, will make a difference in whether people choose to scroll past it, as you have suggested they do. So WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ANYONE TO SCROLL PAST A THREAD ON A PUBLIC FORUM?? rolleyes omg disbelief hmph! pissed talk to the hand

If that's the case, once you discovered that the thread was discussing Prince and Andy's relationship, why not just move on? What is so difficult about that concept for you to understand??? Good grief!!

Reply #208 posted 05/12/18 11:17am

pinkcashmere23

benni said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

But the tribute video is set to the Oui Can Love album so I think that should have been mentioned. The video is made up of a series of photos of them as a couple.


Yes pink, but the thread title itself states it is about the album that was used for the tribute video. And many of the photos are on stage or in public appearances, not their private lives.

The whole point I was trying to make to Fly, was that she stated if someone doesn't like a thread or person, scroll past them. I like the "Oui Can Love" album, thought the tribute video was pretty nice, expected that is what the thread would be about, but instead it's pages of his relationship with Andy, what he or she was wearing (each other's clothes), their appearances together at this and that function, and why oh why did they end so soon....and really was not about the Oui Can Love album or about the tribute video.

That is why it makes it difficult for people to scroll past threads that would otherwise hold no interest for them. The thread title says it's about this, but the posts says it's about that. (If you noticed, I didn't post in that thread.) I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy or any of his other women. I started to read it and then saw it twist and turn as all threads relating to Andy do.

Got it. Since you don't have interest in their relationship and are interested in solely the music,you watched the video and didn't comment. Those of us interested in both commented accordingly. Some of us noted that he/they looked happy in some of the photos which lead to other discussion about their relationship.

Reply #209 posted 05/12/18 11:17am

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:



Again, it's a public forum. I'm not trying to get anything "shut down". If I were trying to get it shut down, I would just report it. And yes, I'm not typing that title out over and over again. Everyone can read the thread title at the actual thread. I did watch the tribute, thank you very much. But I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy. If the thread were actually about the album, or even the tribute video, then maybe I would participate, but as always, it evolved into something else entirely and has nothing to do with album or the tribute video itself. And I didn't TELL YOU to title thread...I was showing the difference between how the reality of the title with the actual subject matter, will make a difference in whether people choose to scroll past it, as you have suggested they do. So WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ANYONE TO SCROLL PAST A THREAD ON A PUBLIC FORUM?? rolleyes omg disbelief hmph! pissed talk to the hand

If that's the case, once you discovered that the thread was discussing Prince and Andy's relationship, why not just move on? What is so difficult about that concept for you to understand??? Good grief!!


As I said, I did not participate in the thread. You TOLD people here that if a thread or the subject of the thread doesn't interest them, then scroll right past. However, when the thread titles say it is about one thing, but then the subject matter of the thread is about something else, it's not easy to "scroll" right past on the topics that don't interest you. What do you not understand about that?

Reply #210 posted 05/12/18 11:18am

disch

Benni (or anyone) participating in an unlocked thread -- especially one started by a moderator with the title "All These Women Threads," and that specifically says "Yall get this out of your system" -- doesn't really fit any definition of "meddling."

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I know you've been very senitive to the idea that you're on the receiving end of bullying and attempts at "censorship." Maybe just pause for a second and think about that...

FlyOnTheWall said:

And, by the way, a synonym for "busybody" is "meddler," which is exactly what you are doing here: MEDDLING. nod

[Edited 5/12/18 11:05am]

Reply #211 posted 05/12/18 11:22am

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:


Yes pink, but the thread title itself states it is about the album that was used for the tribute video. And many of the photos are on stage or in public appearances, not their private lives.

The whole point I was trying to make to Fly, was that she stated if someone doesn't like a thread or person, scroll past them. I like the "Oui Can Love" album, thought the tribute video was pretty nice, expected that is what the thread would be about, but instead it's pages of his relationship with Andy, what he or she was wearing (each other's clothes), their appearances together at this and that function, and why oh why did they end so soon....and really was not about the Oui Can Love album or about the tribute video.

That is why it makes it difficult for people to scroll past threads that would otherwise hold no interest for them. The thread title says it's about this, but the posts says it's about that. (If you noticed, I didn't post in that thread.) I have no desire to discuss his relationship with Andy or any of his other women. I started to read it and then saw it twist and turn as all threads relating to Andy do.

Where does it say that? The thread title says that the Oui Can Luv album was used to make a video called, "2 People in Luv, with nothing but the road ahead." In other words, the thread is about the video that was set to the music of the album. In it's broadest sense, the thread is about the album, the video, and "2 people in luv." What's wrong with that? Can't you see how offensive you are being right now?




Again, the thread title Fly.

""Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ""

If you truly read that (and admittedly, the last half of it, I do not read as a subtitle because it is a lyric in a Prince song and I did not apply that to the subject matter of the thread). It states, "Oui Can Love" Album used for tribute video. In other words, the way the title is written is like, "Hey the Oui Can Love Album was used in a tribute vidoe!" It's about the album being used in a tribute video. Not about their relationship. Not about what they wore. Not about everything else under the sun related to Prince and Andy, but about the album being used in a tribute video.

Reply #212 posted 05/12/18 11:27am

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Where does it say that? The thread title says that the Oui Can Luv album was used to make a video called, "2 People in Luv, with nothing but the road ahead." In other words, the thread is about the video that was set to the music of the album. In it's broadest sense, the thread is about the album, the video, and "2 people in luv." What's wrong with that? Can't you see how offensive you are being right now?




Again, the thread title Fly.

""Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ""

If you truly read that (and admittedly, the last half of it, I do not read as a subtitle because it is a lyric in a Prince song and I did not apply that to the subject matter of the thread). It states, "Oui Can Love" Album used for tribute video. In other words, the way the title is written is like, "Hey the Oui Can Love Album was used in a tribute vidoe!" It's about the album being used in a tribute video. Not about their relationship. Not about what they wore. Not about everything else under the sun related to Prince and Andy, but about the album being used in a tribute video.

But...how did the thread I started come to be about you, benni, and how you misread the title???

Reply #213 posted 05/12/18 11:33am

benni

Fly, I only picked that thread because it was the most obvious on the front page. The way the thread title reads vs the subject matter, shows how it is not always black and white on what threads to scroll past.

I like Andy. I like her voice. I was following her on FB for awhile and even listened to some of her Monday Music video livestreams. But you know, a musician becomes a musician because they have passion for their art. They seek fame because they want to be known for the art they create, not who they were dating. I'd rather give her music the spot light it deserves, and not a relationship that ended several years ago, especially one that has no chance to ever be resurrected. That part of her life is over. I'm sure she cherishes the memories she has of Prince, but don't keep her in a Prince box. She's an artist of her own, and her life will now forever veer away from Prince, because there is no Prince to keep her tied to him. So why is it so important for her fans to keep her tied to someone that is (and can never be) a part of her life any longer? They made great music together, and looked good together (just as he looked good with Denise, with Mayte, with Mani, with Sheila, with...) ... but their paths are no longer converging. They have a place in Prince history, but they also deserve to create their own history and forge their own path now.

Reply #214 posted 05/12/18 11:35am

cloveringold85

Image result for dorinda real housewives of new york gif

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lol lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #215 posted 05/12/18 11:36am

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:



Again, the thread title Fly.

""Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ""

If you truly read that (and admittedly, the last half of it, I do not read as a subtitle because it is a lyric in a Prince song and I did not apply that to the subject matter of the thread). It states, "Oui Can Love" Album used for tribute video. In other words, the way the title is written is like, "Hey the Oui Can Love Album was used in a tribute vidoe!" It's about the album being used in a tribute video. Not about their relationship. Not about what they wore. Not about everything else under the sun related to Prince and Andy, but about the album being used in a tribute video.

But...how did the thread I started come to be about you, benni, and how you misread the title???


LOL!!!!

"The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?"

Thread titles are important if you truly want people to scroll past. It has nothing to do with me.

Reply #216 posted 05/12/18 11:36am

pinkcashmere23

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Where does it say that? The thread title says that the Oui Can Luv album was used to make a video called, "2 People in Luv, with nothing but the road ahead." In other words, the thread is about the video that was set to the music of the album. In it's broadest sense, the thread is about the album, the video, and "2 people in luv." What's wrong with that? Can't you see how offensive you are being right now?




Again, the thread title Fly.

""Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ""

If you truly read that (and admittedly, the last half of it, I do not read as a subtitle because it is a lyric in a Prince song and I did not apply that to the subject matter of the thread). It states, "Oui Can Love" Album used for tribute video. In other words, the way the title is written is like, "Hey the Oui Can Love Album was used in a tribute vidoe!" It's about the album being used in a tribute video. Not about their relationship. Not about what they wore. Not about everything else under the sun related to Prince and Andy, but about the album being used in a tribute video.

Talk was bound to lead to discussion of the relationship after watching the video. Some us said that we enjoyed seeing photos from back then and that he appeared to be happy which some associated with Andy.

Reply #217 posted 05/12/18 11:38am

benni

cloveringold85 said:

Image result for dorinda real housewives of new york gif

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lol lol


lol I agree. I know I'm beatdeadhorse , but gosh darn it, I have a right to do that once in awhile.

Reply #218 posted 05/12/18 11:41am

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

Fly, I only picked that thread because it was the most obvious on the front page. The way the thread title reads vs the subject matter, shows how it is not always black and white on what threads to scroll past.

I like Andy. I like her voice. I was following her on FB for awhile and even listened to some of her Monday Music video livestreams. But you know, a musician becomes a musician because they have passion for their art. They seek fame because they want to be known for the art they create, not who they were dating. I'd rather give her music the spot light it deserves, and not a relationship that ended several years ago, especially one that has no chance to ever be resurrected. That part of her life is over. I'm sure she cherishes the memories she has of Prince, but don't keep her in a Prince box. She's an artist of her own, and her life will now forever veer away from Prince, because there is no Prince to keep her tied to him. So why is it so important for her fans to keep her tied to someone that is (and can never be) a part of her life any longer? They made great music together, and looked good together (just as he looked good with Denise, with Mayte, with Mani, with Sheila, with...) ... but their paths are no longer converging. They have a place in Prince history, but they also deserve to create their own history and forge their own path now.

People have a right to discuss Prince history, including his relationships, to our heart's content. And, Miss Andy is definitely forging her own path. In fact, I'm going to sign off soon so that I can tune in for her latest StageIt concert. It starts in 20 minutes.

Reply #219 posted 05/12/18 11:43am

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

Benni (or anyone) participating in an unlocked thread -- especially one started by a moderator with the title "All These Women Threads," and that specifically says "Yall get this out of your system" -- doesn't really fit any definition of "meddling."

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I know you've been very senitive to the idea that you're on the receiving end of bullying and attempts at "censorship." Maybe just pause for a second and think about that...

FlyOnTheWall said:

And, by the way, a synonym for "busybody" is "meddler," which is exactly what you are doing here: MEDDLING. nod

[Edited 5/12/18 11:05am]

You sound more like a moderator with each of your posts, disch. nod

Reply #220 posted 05/12/18 11:43am

PennyPurple

Anybody notice that 'All these Women threads' Title, is nothing but AA? Someone is having a melt down because they think that all their AA threads are going to be taken away and reduced to 1. typing

Reply #221 posted 05/12/18 11:47am

disch

Well, moderators by defintion practice moderation, and moderation in all things in life (including fandoms!) is a good thing, so I'll take that as a complement! music

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Benni (or anyone) participating in an unlocked thread -- especially one started by a moderator with the title "All These Women Threads," and that specifically says "Yall get this out of your system" -- doesn't really fit any definition of "meddling."

-

I know you've been very senitive to the idea that you're on the receiving end of bullying and attempts at "censorship." Maybe just pause for a second and think about that...

You sound more like a moderator with each of your posts, disch. nod

Reply #222 posted 05/12/18 11:47am

pinkcashmere23

benni said:

Fly, I only picked that thread because it was the most obvious on the front page. The way the thread title reads vs the subject matter, shows how it is not always black and white on what threads to scroll past.

I like Andy. I like her voice. I was following her on FB for awhile and even listened to some of her Monday Music video livestreams. But you know, a musician becomes a musician because they have passion for their art. They seek fame because they want to be known for the art they create, not who they were dating. I'd rather give her music the spot light it deserves, and not a relationship that ended several years ago, especially one that has no chance to ever be resurrected. That part of her life is over. I'm sure she cherishes the memories she has of Prince, but don't keep her in a Prince box. She's an artist of her own, and her life will now forever veer away from Prince, because there is no Prince to keep her tied to him. So why is it so important for her fans to keep her tied to someone that is (and can never be) a part of her life any longer? They made great music together, and looked good together (just as he looked good with Denise, with Mayte, with Mani, with Sheila, with...) ... but their paths are no longer converging. They have a place in Prince history, but they also deserve to create their own history and forge their own path now.

True. Though Andy's MMs usually brought the focus on Prince or their relationship because some of the songs she performed were written for him or with him.Also Andy will always be connected with Prince through the music they created together that is showcased on his final albums.

Reply #223 posted 05/12/18 11:51am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

Anybody notice that 'All these Women threads' Title, is nothing but AA? Someone is having a melt down because they think that all their AA threads are going to be taken away and reduced to 1. typing

I'M melting down?? I'm simply fending off all the missiles being thrown my way.

And, btw, I have absolutely no problem with a single thread at a time. That was working just fine...until the moderators starting locking up and erasing every single Andy thread that I started.

[Edited 5/12/18 11:58am]

Reply #224 posted 05/12/18 11:52am

pinkcashmere23

PennyPurple said:

Anybody notice that 'All these Women threads' Title, is nothing but AA? Someone is having a melt down because they think that all their AA threads are going to be taken away and reduced to 1. typing

I was also enjoying the Mayte thread and was hoping for a continuation of it. Also have been enjoying the threads about Natalya and Judith as well.

Reply #225 posted 05/12/18 11:54am

poppys

PennyPurple said:

Anybody notice that 'All these Women threads' Title, is nothing but AA? Someone is having a melt down because they think that all their AA threads are going to be taken away and reduced to 1. typing

meltdown nod . bored with her life and the hijack freeway. bored

Reply #226 posted 05/12/18 12:06pm

cloveringold85

benni said:

cloveringold85 said:

Image result for dorinda real housewives of new york gif

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lol lol


lol I agree. I know I'm beatdeadhorse , but gosh darn it, I have a right to do that once in awhile.

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lol nuts lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #227 posted 05/12/18 12:14pm

benni

pinkcashmere23 said:

benni said:

Fly, I only picked that thread because it was the most obvious on the front page. The way the thread title reads vs the subject matter, shows how it is not always black and white on what threads to scroll past.

I like Andy. I like her voice. I was following her on FB for awhile and even listened to some of her Monday Music video livestreams. But you know, a musician becomes a musician because they have passion for their art. They seek fame because they want to be known for the art they create, not who they were dating. I'd rather give her music the spot light it deserves, and not a relationship that ended several years ago, especially one that has no chance to ever be resurrected. That part of her life is over. I'm sure she cherishes the memories she has of Prince, but don't keep her in a Prince box. She's an artist of her own, and her life will now forever veer away from Prince, because there is no Prince to keep her tied to him. So why is it so important for her fans to keep her tied to someone that is (and can never be) a part of her life any longer? They made great music together, and looked good together (just as he looked good with Denise, with Mayte, with Mani, with Sheila, with...) ... but their paths are no longer converging. They have a place in Prince history, but they also deserve to create their own history and forge their own path now.

True. Though Andy's MMs usually brought the focus on Prince or their relationship because some of the songs she performed were written for him or with him.Also Andy will always be connected with Prince through the music they created together that is showcased on his final albums.


I honestly hope not, pink. I hope that Andy has such an incredible career, that her music will be entirely her own, that her time with Prince will be one of those "little known facts" you see posted about artists. The reason I hope this, is because no artist wants their art always tied to someone who was more iconic than them. Andy deserves her own career, her own fame, outside of Prince's influence. She needs to be known for herself, not connected to Prince because of a few songs they did together.

Reply #228 posted 05/12/18 12:20pm

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

True. Though Andy's MMs usually brought the focus on Prince or their relationship because some of the songs she performed were written for him or with him.Also Andy will always be connected with Prince through the music they created together that is showcased on his final albums.


I honestly hope not, pink. I hope that Andy has such an incredible career, that her music will be entirely her own, that her time with Prince will be one of those "little known facts" you see posted about artists. The reason I hope this, is because no artist wants their art always tied to someone who was more iconic than them. Andy deserves her own career, her own fame, outside of Prince's influence. She needs to be known for herself, not connected to Prince because of a few songs they did together.

Andy has her own career...but, to the chagrin of some, she will always be associated with Prince. She is part of music/entertainment history. In what world is that a bad thing?

Reply #229 posted 05/12/18 12:38pm

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:


I honestly hope not, pink. I hope that Andy has such an incredible career, that her music will be entirely her own, that her time with Prince will be one of those "little known facts" you see posted about artists. The reason I hope this, is because no artist wants their art always tied to someone who was more iconic than them. Andy deserves her own career, her own fame, outside of Prince's influence. She needs to be known for herself, not connected to Prince because of a few songs they did together.

Andy has her own career...but, to the chagrin of some, she will always be associated with Prince. She is part of music/entertainment history. In what world is that a bad thing?


It's not to anyone's chagrin, Fly. Yes, she will always be a part of Prince's history. <---- Prince's history, not music/entertainment history, because she's not done anything yet to earn that place, but she is in PRINCE'S history. She hasn't gone platinum with her own music, hasn't gone gold, isn't placed in the charts. She is known right now, almost strictly by her association with Prince. I just hope she is successful enough that she creates her own history, in the entertainment and music history. You ask anyone outside of the Prince world who Andy Allo is, and the majority of people will have no idea who you are talking about. But hopefully, one day, if she continues to reach for her dream, she will be.

Reply #230 posted 05/12/18 12:51pm

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Andy has her own career...but, to the chagrin of some, she will always be associated with Prince. She is part of music/entertainment history. In what world is that a bad thing?


It's not to anyone's chagrin, Fly. Yes, she will always be a part of Prince's history. <---- Prince's history, not music/entertainment history, because she's not done anything yet to earn that place, but she is in PRINCE'S history. She hasn't gone platinum with her own music, hasn't gone gold, isn't placed in the charts. She is known right now, almost strictly by her association with Prince. I just hope she is successful enough that she creates her own history, in the entertainment and music history. You ask anyone outside of the Prince world who Andy Allo is, and the majority of people will have no idea who you are talking about. But hopefully, one day, if she continues to reach for her dream, she will be.

Prince is a HUGE part of music/entertainment history. Ergo, so are his associates. BTW, more people know Andy than you might think. For instance, the Pitch Perfect franchise, of which Andy is now also a part, is a pretty big deal. And, her star continues to rise. Don't you worry, benni, Andy will be just fine...in spite of the haters on Prince.org.

Reply #231 posted 05/12/18 1:19pm

pinkcashmere23

benni said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

True. Though Andy's MMs usually brought the focus on Prince or their relationship because some of the songs she performed were written for him or with him.Also Andy will always be connected with Prince through the music they created together that is showcased on his final albums.


I honestly hope not, pink. I hope that Andy has such an incredible career, that her music will be entirely her own, that her time with Prince will be one of those "little known facts" you see posted about artists. The reason I hope this, is because no artist wants their art always tied to someone who was more iconic than them. Andy deserves her own career, her own fame, outside of Prince's influence. She needs to be known for herself, not connected to Prince because of a few songs they did together.

I agree but I meant that the songs that they wrote and recorded together are on his albums and she will always be a part of his legacy because of that.Something she herself acknowledged during her interview with Grammy Pro.

Reply #232 posted 05/12/18 2:32pm

disch

Prince had lots and lots of collaborators/protégées/associates over his career, so I guess this would be true of them all. Interestingly many of his female associates get a lot of criticism here if they emphasize their association — that they aren’t “doing they’re own thing” and they’re trying to “ride princes coattails” etc.
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On this site the male associates get discussed very differently, it seems. Well just far less as this section is currently dominated by discussion/arguments about his love life and the women involved with it.
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pinkcashmere23 said:

 



benni said:


 



pinkcashmere23 said:


 


True. Though Andy's MMs usually brought the focus on Prince or their relationship because some of the songs she performed were written for him or with him.Also Andy will always be connected with Prince through the music they created together that is showcased on his final albums.




I honestly hope not, pink.  I hope that Andy has such an incredible career, that her music will be entirely her own, that her time with Prince will be one of those "little known facts" you see posted about artists.  The reason I hope this, is because no artist wants their art always tied to someone who was more iconic than them.  Andy deserves her own career, her own fame, outside of Prince's influence.  She needs to be known for herself, not connected to Prince because of a few songs they did together.  



I agree but I meant that the songs that they wrote and recorded together are on his albums and she will always be a part of his legacy because of that.Something she herself acknowledged during her interview with Grammy Pro.

Reply #233 posted 05/12/18 2:52pm

pinkcashmere23

disch said:

Prince had lots and lots of collaborators/protégées/associates over his career, so I guess this would be true of them all. Interestingly many of his female associates get a lot of criticism here if they emphasize their association — that they aren’t “doing they’re own thing” and they’re trying to “ride princes coattails” etc. - On this site the male associates get discussed very differently, it seems. Well just far less as this section is currently dominated by discussion/arguments about his love life and the women involved with it. - pinkcashmere23 said:

I agree but I meant that the songs that they wrote and recorded together are on his albums and she will always be a part of his legacy because of that.Something she herself acknowledged during her interview with Grammy Pro.

Yes.Some of the female associates are treated differently and I think they have to prove themselves more to some of the fans and that they can stand on their own,outside of their association with Prince.

Reply #234 posted 05/12/18 3:16pm

babynoz

PennyPurple said:

It's no use disch, they flood the threads so much they forget what they say.



Forum flooding is exactly what it's called. I don't think people realize that flooding is already not allowed on most other forums.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #235 posted 05/12/18 3:24pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

cloveringold85 said:

Image result for dorinda real housewives of new york gif

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lol lol

no no no, I'm hooked now I need her having a drink

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
Reply #236 posted 05/12/18 3:28pm

cloveringold85

OldFriends4Sale said:

cloveringold85 said:

Image result for dorinda real housewives of new york gif

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lol lol

no no no, I'm hooked now I need her having a drink

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Sorry, I'm being silly!! lol dancing jig

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I used to love Ramona's "Turtle Time"! LMAO!! lol

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Image result for ramona turtle time gif

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LOL lol lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #237 posted 05/12/18 3:49pm

206Michelle

pinkcashmere23 said:

206Michelle said:

endiadj said: Mayte was his wife, mother of his only child, and professional collaborator (muse, dancer, band member). Regardless of how one feels about her, her impact on his music and personal life was very significant.

Did Mayte's Appreciation thread get locked or did it expire? I didn't see the reply button.

It self-locked/expired after 60 days.

Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #238 posted 05/12/18 3:58pm

pinkcashmere23

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Did Mayte's Appreciation thread get locked or did it expire? I didn't see the reply button.

It self-locked/expired after 60 days.

Thanks. I thought that was probably what happened.

Reply #239 posted 05/12/18 3:59pm

206Michelle

FlyOnTheWall said:

Krystalkisses said:

Well I guess maybe you could be sleeping with someone and not be someone's gf and least not in the man's mind. So maybe it is a case of miscommunication. Also, I don't really know how opiates affect someone's libido. Is it realistic to think Prince had much interest in women and abusing painkillers?

It has not even been established that JH was sleeping with Prince. I have heard that she stayed at a hotel in Chanhassen while she was working for extended periods at Paisley Park. And, based on the police interview I read, she seemed totally flummoxed when they asked her which side of the bed P slept on. After stumbling over the question, she eventually said that he slept on the side closest to the bathroom. And, we know for sure that when Prince flew her in to attend the Atlanta PAAM show, she told the police that she flew in the night before...and she was driven to her hotel. The more I think about it, that is probably a large part of why the bodyguards and driver say that she was not intimately involved with Prince: apparently, she didn't spend nights at The Park.



[Edited 5/11/18 23:23pm]

I think of Judith Hill as a protegee and companion of Prince's. From what I read of her interview with Carver County police as well as what others (Kirk, Damaris, etc.) have stated, it's unclear whether or not she and Prince were dating because she claims that they were and others claim that they were not. I don't really know what to believe about them being romantically involved, but she certainly was a protegee and companion of his.

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"Romantic relationship" and "girlfriend"/"boyfriend" mean different things to different people. It is possible for two people to be in a romantic relationship/be boyfriend-girlfriend without having a sexual relationship. For example, some couples choose to abstan from sex until marriage due to religious beliefs.

Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #240 posted 05/12/18 4:30pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

SoulAlive said:

Let's get some more threads about Morris Day and The Time,Mazarati,Jesse Johnson,etc......where their music is being discussed and analyzed! Isn't that better than focusing on all the women that Prince slept with? hmmm

Yes, Yes and more yes. Refocus... it's about the music

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
Reply #241 posted 05/12/18 4:33pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth...
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Yall get this out of your system quick, because there is going to be a new reality to the Associate Artist forum real soon.

hey,can you do a few those in-depth threads where you focus on a specific album? How about the Mazarati album? I enjoy those discussions smile we gotta get this forum back on track.

Yes, if people are really concerned about this place being a go to for information to preserve Prince's legacy, it is about the music, the tours, the style, the bands, the technicians Prince's vision

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
Reply #242 posted 05/12/18 4:34pm

FlyOnTheWall

206Michelle said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

It has not even been established that JH was sleeping with Prince. I have heard that she stayed at a hotel in Chanhassen while she was working for extended periods at Paisley Park. And, based on the police interview I read, she seemed totally flummoxed when they asked her which side of the bed P slept on. After stumbling over the question, she eventually said that he slept on the side closest to the bathroom. And, we know for sure that when Prince flew her in to attend the Atlanta PAAM show, she told the police that she flew in the night before...and she was driven to her hotel. The more I think about it, that is probably a large part of why the bodyguards and driver say that she was not intimately involved with Prince: apparently, she didn't spend nights at The Park.



[Edited 5/11/18 23:23pm]

I think of Judith Hill as a protegee and companion of Prince's. From what I read of her interview with Carver County police as well as what others (Kirk, Damaris, etc.) have stated, it's unclear whether or not she and Prince were dating because she claims that they were and others claim that they were not. I don't really know what to believe about them being romantically involved, but she certainly was a protegee and companion of his.

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"Romantic relationship" and "girlfriend"/"boyfriend" mean different things to different people. It is possible for two people to be in a romantic relationship/be boyfriend-girlfriend without having a sexual relationship. For example, some couples choose to abstan from sex until marriage due to religious beliefs.

From what I have observed of Prince over the years...and based on Van Jones' remark about how over-the-top Prince acted when he was into a woman...I think it would have been obvious, especially to insiders, if he and Judith were more than friends/mentor/mentee.

Reply #243 posted 05/12/18 4:41pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

Read rule #7...you agreed to the rules...we are gods baby lol

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But actually, we never said what is going to happen. How and why did you come to this flame bait conclusion?
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Please tell me where we said we would dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site?
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See THIS is why we have upstart problems on the org. You fabricated a whole mountain out of a mole hill.

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And do an org search on CENSORSHIP, we've discussed this before and sharp Org members have schooled those who cry censorship.
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But again, you fabricated a mountain out of paranoia

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I hope you are not still crying about PNV, she is gone because she wanted to.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
Reply #244 posted 05/12/18 5:39pm

cloveringold85

FlyOnTheWall said:

206Michelle said:

I think of Judith Hill as a protegee and companion of Prince's. From what I read of her interview with Carver County police as well as what others (Kirk, Damaris, etc.) have stated, it's unclear whether or not she and Prince were dating because she claims that they were and others claim that they were not. I don't really know what to believe about them being romantically involved, but she certainly was a protegee and companion of his.

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"Romantic relationship" and "girlfriend"/"boyfriend" mean different things to different people. It is possible for two people to be in a romantic relationship/be boyfriend-girlfriend without having a sexual relationship. For example, some couples choose to abstan from sex until marriage due to religious beliefs.

From what I have observed of Prince over the years...and based on Van Jones' remark about how over-the-top Prince acted when he was into a woman...I think it would have been obvious, especially to insiders, if he and Judith were more than friends/mentor/mentee.

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Judith did say (as per the investigation statements), that she spent time at PP (i.e., stayed the night). wink

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She made it sound like they both slept together. It really does not matter to me if they did or not, but I don't think they were in a serious relationship. She lives in L.A.

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Kirk denied that Judith was Prince's GF, but then again, he's denied other things as well. wink

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #245 posted 05/12/18 5:57pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Ok people...

its been fun but take all Estate or Investigation discussions to the appropriate threads-forums

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
Reply #246 posted 05/12/18 6:06pm

cloveringold85

OldFriends4Sale said:

Ok people...

its been fun but take all Estate or Investigation discussions to the appropriate threads-forums

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Will do! thumbs up!

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #247 posted 05/12/18 6:08pm

FlyOnTheWall

cloveringold85 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

From what I have observed of Prince over the years...and based on Van Jones' remark about how over-the-top Prince acted when he was into a woman...I think it would have been obvious, especially to insiders, if he and Judith were more than friends/mentor/mentee.

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Judith did say (as per the investigation statements), that she spent time at PP (i.e., stayed the night). wink

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She made it sound like they both slept together. It really does not matter to me if they did or not, but I don't think they were in a serious relationship. She lives in L.A.

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Kirk denied that Judith was Prince's GF, but then again, he's denied other things as well. wink

Of course, she spent time at PP, but that doesn't mean she was staying there. And, it wasn't just Kirk. His bodyguard Chris and his driver Kim said the same thing: Judith was not Prince's girlfriend. Others might believe JH or still have doubt, but for me, it's a wrap.

Reply #248 posted 05/12/18 6:27pm

purplethunder3121

"All These Women" would make a good title for a Prince song... lol

"If you're living, you've got nothing left to prove..."
Reply #249 posted 05/12/18 6:31pm

sharpieheartz

This thread didn’t age very well, lmao. My goodness. eek
No more peace and quiet, I wonder Y...
Reply #250 posted 05/12/18 7:55pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

FlyOnTheWall said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Judith did say (as per the investigation statements), that she spent time at PP (i.e., stayed the night). wink

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She made it sound like they both slept together. It really does not matter to me if they did or not, but I don't think they were in a serious relationship. She lives in L.A.

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Kirk denied that Judith was Prince's GF, but then again, he's denied other things as well. wink

Of course, she spent time at PP, but that doesn't mean she was staying there. And, it wasn't just Kirk. His bodyguard Chris and his driver Kim said the same thing: Judith was not Prince's girlfriend. Others might believe JH or still have doubt, but for me, it's a wrap.

Ok

no more girlfriend debates

this thread was not meant for this

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
Reply #251 posted 05/12/18 9:13pm

Krystalkisses

purplethunder3121 said:

"All These Women" would make a good title for a Prince song... lol



razz
Reply #252 posted 05/13/18 2:32pm

FlyOnTheWall

babynoz said:

PennyPurple said:

It's no use disch, they flood the threads so much they forget what they say.



Forum flooding is exactly what it's called. I don't think people realize that flooding is already not allowed on most other forums.

Actually, I think "forum flooding" is when one person has a very high number of active threads simultaneously, like having 25 or more threads at any given time. I believe that some forums limit the number of active threads begun per person during a specified period.

Reply #253 posted 05/13/18 2:36pm

purplemist7777

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



pinkcashmere23 said:


 



FlyOnTheWall said:


 


I guess that pretty much confirms what I've suspected all along: Lala exaggerates and embellishes her association with Prince.


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I don't know. She has some video clips on her IG that were posted in September of 2013 while at the Mall of America and what she said was taken at the arboretum in Eden Prairie. She was in Minneapolis for some reason.



I didn't say that I suspect that her association is fabricated. I said exaggerated.


Where was AA mentioned in the investigative reports? Where did it say AA slept at
PP?
Reply #254 posted 05/13/18 3:04pm

cloveringold85

Krystalkisses said:

purplethunder3121 said:

"All These Women" would make a good title for a Prince song... lol

razz

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yes nod lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #255 posted 05/13/18 3:07pm

pinkcashmere23

purplemist7777 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I didn't say that I suspect that her association is fabricated. I said exaggerated.

Where was AA mentioned in the investigative reports? Where did it say AA slept at PP?

In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013.
Reply #256 posted 05/13/18 3:43pm

Krystalkisses

pinkcashmere23 said:

 

purplemist7777 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



I didn't say that I suspect that her association is fabricated. I said exaggerated.


Where was AA mentioned in the investigative reports? Where did it say AA slept at
PP?

 

In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013.


I'm still kinda shocked Bria was his girlfriend! She is pretty...but tall!!! And I didn't know he was down with the enchanted breasts like that lol....didnt Mayte tell him when they were married she wanted breast implants but he wouldn't let her? I swear I read that in her biography. Just kinda inconsistent it seems.
Reply #257 posted 05/13/18 3:57pm

pinkcashmere23

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013.
I'm still kinda shocked Bria was his girlfriend! She is pretty...but tall!!! And I didn't know he was down with the enchanted breasts like that lol....didnt Mayte tell him when they were married she wanted breast implants but he wouldn't let her? I swear I read that in her biography. Just kinda inconsistent it seems.

I was too. She was around a lot in 09-10 though so I assumed they were probably together back then. I don't remember that about Mayte. I think Bria was around 5'9 so she was a good bit taller.

[Edited 5/13/18 15:58pm]

Reply #258 posted 05/13/18 4:43pm

Krystalkisses

pinkcashmere23 said:

 

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

 

 

In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013.


I'm still kinda shocked Bria was his girlfriend! She is pretty...but tall!!! And I didn't know he was down with the enchanted breasts like that lol....didnt Mayte tell him when they were married she wanted breast implants but he wouldn't let her? I swear I read that in her biography. Just kinda inconsistent it seems.

 

I was too. She was around a lot in 09-10 though so I assumed they were probably together back then. I don't remember that about Mayte. I think Bria was around 5'9 so she was a good bit taller.

[Edited 5/13/18 15:58pm]



I see. 2009 was the last time I saw him in concert and then I stopped following him, so I'm not very up to date on the Prince girls.
Reply #259 posted 05/13/18 4:58pm

pinkcashmere23

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I was too. She was around a lot in 09-10 though so I assumed they were probably together back then. I don't remember that about Mayte. I think Bria was around 5'9 so she was a good bit taller.

[Edited 5/13/18 15:58pm]

I see. 2009 was the last time I saw him in concert and then I stopped following him, so I'm not very up to date on the Prince girls.

What show did you attend? I remember Bria traveling with him for the shows in Europe for the 20ten album and they were photographed in Vienna together. I think her last public appearance with him was at a show in San Jose in May of 2011. Prince sang If I Was Your Girlfriend to her onstage and she dropped out of the picture after that.
Reply #260 posted 05/13/18 5:03pm

Krystalkisses

pinkcashmere23 said:

 

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

 

 

I was too. She was around a lot in 09-10 though so I assumed they were probably together back then. I don't remember that about Mayte. I think Bria was around 5'9 so she was a good bit taller.

[Edited 5/13/18 15:58pm]



I see. 2009 was the last time I saw him in concert and then I stopped following him, so I'm not very up to date on the Prince girls.

 

What show did you attend? I remember Bria traveling with him for the shows in Europe for the 20ten album and they were photographed in Vienna together. I think her last public appearance with him was at a show in San Jose in May of 2011. Prince sang If I Was Your Girlfriend to her onstage and she dropped out of the picture after that.


It was at Paisley Park in October of 2009! It was really awesome! I do remember noticing at the time that he didn't dance.
Reply #261 posted 05/13/18 5:09pm

pinkcashmere23

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

What show did you attend? I remember Bria traveling with him for the shows in Europe for the 20ten album and they were photographed in Vienna together. I think her last public appearance with him was at a show in San Jose in May of 2011. Prince sang If I Was Your Girlfriend to her onstage and she dropped out of the picture after that.
It was at Paisley Park in October of 2009! It was really awesome! I do remember noticing at the time that he didn't dance.

Awesome! I remember reading the reviews about it here. Some said that he appeared to be in pain and was limping.
Reply #262 posted 05/13/18 5:20pm

Krystalkisses

pinkcashmere23 said:

 

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

 

 

What show did you attend? I remember Bria traveling with him for the shows in Europe for the 20ten album and they were photographed in Vienna together. I think her last public appearance with him was at a show in San Jose in May of 2011. Prince sang If I Was Your Girlfriend to her onstage and she dropped out of the picture after that.


It was at Paisley Park in October of 2009! It was really awesome! I do remember noticing at the time that he didn't dance.

 

Awesome! I remember reading the reviews about it here. Some said that he appeared to be in pain and was limping.


Yes it looked that way to me as well, I can remember.
Reply #263 posted 05/13/18 5:26pm

purplemist7777

pinkcashmere23 said:

 

purplemist7777 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



I didn't say that I suspect that her association is fabricated. I said exaggerated.


Where was AA mentioned in the investigative reports? Where did it say AA slept at
PP?

 

In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013.

So everyone believes Judith when she mentions previous “girlfriends” but not that she was a “girlfriend”. SMH. My theory on why KJ and others said JH was just a singer was to protect her just like none of the other young proteges that went through PP since 2010 were not mentioned to the police to contact...protecting them. They probably ALL knew about his opioid use and were enablers in the end.
Reply #264 posted 05/13/18 6:04pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

purplemist7777 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013.
So everyone believes Judith when she mentions previous “girlfriends” but not that she was a “girlfriend”. SMH. My theory on why KJ and others said JH was just a singer was to protect her just like none of the other young proteges that went through PP since 2010 were not mentioned to the police to contact...protecting them. They probably ALL knew about his opioid use and were enablers in the end.


All ya'all !! Ok people...

its been fun but take all Estate or Investigation discussions to the appropriate threads-forums

Please stay on topic, it ain't hard.

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #265 posted 05/13/18 6:04pm

FlyOnTheWall

purplemist7777 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013.
So everyone believes Judith when she mentions previous “girlfriends” but not that she was a “girlfriend”. SMH. My theory on why KJ and others said JH was just a singer was to protect her just like none of the other young proteges that went through PP since 2010 were not mentioned to the police to contact...protecting them. They probably ALL knew about his opioid use and were enablers in the end.

To protect her from what???

Reply #266 posted 05/13/18 7:43pm

pinkcashmere23

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Awesome! I remember reading the reviews about it here. Some said that he appeared to be in pain and was limping.
Yes it looked that way to me as well, I can remember.

Someone who said that they were the writer of a book that was published about Prince posted in Music & More last year that they were aware that he had his hip surgery in 2010 and that he recuperated at the home in Turks and Caicos. His condition must have worsened in 2009. I remember in videos of he and Bria in Europe in summer of 09 that he had a bit of a limp then as well.

[Edited 5/14/18 0:16am]

Reply #267 posted 05/13/18 11:54pm

Krystalkisses

pinkcashmere23 said:

 



Krystalkisses said:


pinkcashmere23 said:

 


 


Awesome! I remember reading the reviews about it here. Some said that he appeared to be in pain and was limping.

Yes it looked that way to me as well, I can remember.

Someone who said that were the writer of a book that was published about Prince posted in Music & More last year  that they were aware that he had his hip surgery in 2010 and that he recuperated at the home in Turks and Caicos. His condition must have worsened in 2009. I remember in videos of he and Bria in Europe in summer of 09 that he had a bit of a limp then as well.



He probably really needed the surgery. I wonder why Bria and he fizzled?? It seems like their relationship lasted a while.
Reply #268 posted 05/14/18 5:32am

rogifan

luv4u said:

 



purplemist7777 said:


pinkcashmere23 said:

 


 


In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013.

So everyone believes Judith when she mentions previous “girlfriends” but not that she was a “girlfriend”. SMH. My theory on why KJ and others said JH was just a singer was to protect her just like none of the other young proteges that went through PP since 2010 were not mentioned to the police to contact...protecting them. They probably ALL knew about his opioid use and were enablers in the end.


All ya'all !!  Ok people...


its been fun but take all Estate or Investigation discussions to the appropriate threads-forums

Please stay on topic, it ain't hard.


Maybe you should rename this the Prince girlfriend debate thread as that’s what it’s turned into. lol
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #269 posted 05/14/18 6:05am

pinkcashmere23

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Someone who said that were the writer of a book that was published about Prince posted in Music & More last year that they were aware that he had his hip surgery in 2010 and that he recuperated at the home in Turks and Caicos. His condition must have worsened in 2009. I remember in videos of he and Bria in Europe in summer of 09 that he had a bit of a limp then as well.

He probably really needed the surgery. I wonder why Bria and he fizzled?? It seems like their relationship lasted a while.

Yes. He had lost a lot of weight in 2009 and looked frail but he appeared to be healthy by the time he announced the Welcome 2 America shows in NYC fall of 2010. It was said that Bria was contacted and asked to attend a conference with some other Prince associates and she declined.

Reply #270 posted 05/14/18 7:37am

stlmuziqlvr

That's an idea, rogifan but it would include more than this thread biggrin

rogifan said:

luv4u said:


All ya'all !! Ok people...

its been fun but take all Estate or Investigation discussions to the appropriate threads-forums

Please stay on topic, it ain't hard.

Maybe you should rename this the Prince girlfriend debate thread as that’s what it’s turned into. lol

Reply #271 posted 05/14/18 7:56am

GoldenParachute

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



pinkcashmere23 said:


 



FlyOnTheWall said:


 


Has her name come up in the Carver County documents and/or phone records?



Not that I have heard of. She was never mentioned in any reports that I have read.



I guess that pretty much confirms what I've suspected all along: Lala exaggerates and embellishes her association with Prince.

[Edited 5/12/18 7:31am]


It does not take much for you to feel “confirmed” of the lack of importance of other women that were in Prince’s life does it? You’re psychotic. Completely obsessed with Andy Allo. You spend all your time online arguing (I’m sure to andy’s dismay), that she was his soul mate and everyone else was unimportant. It would probably crush your soul to come to the reality that Judith was indeed romantic and Lala had her own separate mailbox filtered from the other women? lol

Why haven’t you been banned yet? No one appreciates the ridiculous amount of time you spend obsessing over andy. No one. You are trying so hard night and day to convince others of your fantasy and it looks like you have snagged a few believers but no one who is an actual adult with a healthy mental state and who has a job is amused.
Reply #272 posted 05/14/18 8:03am

GoldenParachute

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



InThisBedIDream said:


Who's Andy Allo? Never heard of her. hmmm



She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend. nod


You’re off your hinges.

Andy got left just like every one else. Any publicity was exactly that... publicity. Prince had plenty of private relationships, I am sure, that were not in the spotlight. Perhaps some girls he saw did not have talent, because that was the only way Prince would publicize you. Minus Damaris. But even Damaris was used for publicity and her own popularity. She certainly was not a dancer. We all knew that. Be wise in your observations and look at the girls Prince used in his projects. Most of them had a following already or had an extraordinary beauty (like Lala), or were talented. If you weren’t, he wouldn’t bring you into the public eye. It is VERY probable that he had love interests privately with women no one knows about.
[Edited 5/14/18 8:05am]
Reply #273 posted 05/14/18 8:18am

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

Benni (or anyone) participating in an unlocked thread -- especially one started by a moderator with the title "All These Women Threads," and that specifically says "Yall get this out of your system" -- doesn't really fit any definition of "meddling."

-

I know you've been very senitive to the idea that you're on the receiving end of bullying and attempts at "censorship." Maybe just pause for a second and think about that...

FlyOnTheWall said:

And, by the way, a synonym for "busybody" is "meddler," which is exactly what you are doing here: MEDDLING. nod

[Edited 5/12/18 11:05am]

Call it what you will, but when someone comes at me about a thread that I started, and that person can't even get the title of the thread correct...and then tries to tell me that it is misnamed and misleading, when clearly it is not...that, IMHO, falls under the category of outrageous meddling...and trolling. And, that is the nicest name I could think of for it.

In fact, that whole exchange with benni is a perfect example of Prince.org's biggest problem: Orgers who want to tell other orgers how to think...and who want to control the content of what can and cannot be posted here on Prince.org...based on their individual tastes/interests. Moreover, they set out to try to have removed any thread(s) they don't like...and, far too often, they are successful. Thus, the moderators often reward the bullies/troublemakers.

From my viewpoint, as long as it is about Prince's life and music, his entire life and career, and as long as it substantiated and not derogatory, pornographic, slanderous, or defamatory, any topic should be fine. That covers music, tours, fashion, associates, relationships, proteges, social media, activism/politics, films, videos, photos, spirituality, etc.

In the final analysis, Prince was many things to many people. The same should be true for Prince.org.

Reply #274 posted 05/14/18 8:27am

pinkcashmere23

GoldenParachute said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend. nod

You’re off your hinges. Andy got left just like every one else. Any publicity was exactly that... publicity. Prince had plenty of private relationships, I am sure, that were not in the spotlight. Perhaps some girls he saw did not have talent, because that was the only way Prince would publicize you. Minus Damaris. But even Damaris was used for publicity and her own popularity. She certainly was not a dancer. We all knew that. Be wise in your observations and look at the girls Prince used in his projects. Most of them had a following already or had an extraordinary beauty (like Lala), or were talented. If you weren’t, he wouldn’t bring you into the public eye. It is VERY probable that he had love interests privately with women no one knows about. [Edited 5/14/18 8:05am]

Andy was the last confirmed girlfriend that accompanied him to a public event so I guess it could be said that she was his last public girlfriend.I happened to like Damaris and what she brought to the band. I think she had a nice presence and is very beautiful.

Reply #275 posted 05/14/18 8:34am

FlyOnTheWall

GoldenParachute said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I guess that pretty much confirms what I've suspected all along: Lala exaggerates and embellishes her association with Prince.

[Edited 5/12/18 7:31am]

It does not take much for you to feel “confirmed” of the lack of importance of other women that were in Prince’s life does it? You’re psychotic. Completely obsessed with Andy Allo. You spend all your time online arguing (I’m sure to andy’s dismay), that she was his soul mate and everyone else was unimportant. It would probably crush your soul to come to the reality that Judith was indeed romantic and Lala had her own separate mailbox filtered from the other women? lol Why haven’t you been banned yet? No one appreciates the ridiculous amount of time you spend obsessing over andy. No one. You are trying so hard night and day to convince others of your fantasy and it looks like you have snagged a few believers but no one who is an actual adult with a healthy mental state and who has a job is amused.

Was it reported in the Carver County documents that Lala had a separate mailbox? If your claim can be substantiated, that would be pretty convincing to me that she had a substantial relationship with Prince. Just like the reports from THREE Prince insiders who state categorically that Judith Hill was not his girlfriend. I would love to see a link to any such reports about Lala's separate mailbox. Please share.

I have a question, GoldenParachute: Why are you so worried about me? And, why do you want to see me banned? Moreover, why are you consistently bullying me and calling me demeaning names??? This must be what the Salem Witch Hunts were like. rolleyes

Lastly, for the record, I have never once said that Andy was Prince's soulmate and I have never said that any other woman he was involved with was "unimportant." That is how lies start and spread.

Also, speaking of Andy...and on a more positive note...did you see her sing "Nothing More" at her StageIt concert Saturday? I think her latest rendition was even more soulful than usual. Some thought she might run away from singing that song since it was revealed in her leaked love letter that it was inspired by Prince. I'm glad she held her head high, was in good spirits, and belted out her classic ballad.



[Edited 5/14/18 9:55am]

Reply #276 posted 05/14/18 8:34am

disch

Did you miss the moderator's comment in post #250?

pinkcashmere23 said:

GoldenParachute said:

FlyOnTheWall said: You’re off your hinges. Andy got left just like every one else. Any publicity was exactly that... publicity. Prince had plenty of private relationships, I am sure, that were not in the spotlight. Perhaps some girls he saw did not have talent, because that was the only way Prince would publicize you. Minus Damaris. But even Damaris was used for publicity and her own popularity. She certainly was not a dancer. We all knew that. Be wise in your observations and look at the girls Prince used in his projects. Most of them had a following already or had an extraordinary beauty (like Lala), or were talented. If you weren’t, he wouldn’t bring you into the public eye. It is VERY probable that he had love interests privately with women no one knows about. [Edited 5/14/18 8:05am]

Andy was the last confirmed girlfriend that accompanied him to a public event so I guess it could be said that she was his last public girlfriend.I happened to like Damaris and what she brought to the band. I think she had a nice presence and is very beautiful.

Reply #277 posted 05/14/18 8:47am

pinkcashmere23

disch said:

Did you miss the moderator's comment in post #250?

pinkcashmere23 said:

Andy was the last confirmed girlfriend that accompanied him to a public event so I guess it could be said that she was his last public girlfriend.I happened to like Damaris and what she brought to the band. I think she had a nice presence and is very beautiful.

Right! My bad. Back on topic. Bria was the last girlfriend that he took to several public events which was probably why some thought back then that he was going to marry her.

[Edited 5/14/18 9:05am]

Reply #278 posted 05/14/18 5:08pm

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Benni (or anyone) participating in an unlocked thread -- especially one started by a moderator with the title "All These Women Threads," and that specifically says "Yall get this out of your system" -- doesn't really fit any definition of "meddling."

-

I know you've been very senitive to the idea that you're on the receiving end of bullying and attempts at "censorship." Maybe just pause for a second and think about that...

Call it what you will, but when someone comes at me about a thread that I started, and that person can't even get the title of the thread correct...and then tries to tell me that it is misnamed and misleading, when clearly it is not...that, IMHO, falls under the category of outrageous meddling...and trolling. And, that is the nicest name I could think of for it.

In fact, that whole exchange with benni is a perfect example of Prince.org's biggest problem: Orgers who want to tell other orgers how to think...and who want to control the content of what can and cannot be posted here on Prince.org...based on their individual tastes/interests. Moreover, they set out to try to have removed any thread(s) they don't like...and, far too often, they are successful. Thus, the moderators often reward the bullies/troublemakers.

From my viewpoint, as long as it is about Prince's life and music, his entire life and career, and as long as it substantiated and not derogatory, pornographic, slanderous, or defamatory, any topic should be fine. That covers music, tours, fashion, associates, relationships, proteges, social media, activism/politics, films, videos, photos, spirituality, etc.

In the final analysis, Prince was many things to many people. The same should be true for Prince.org.


LOL - Actually, I didn't get the title wrong. You can see the very first post I made regarding the thread title, that I typed out every single character, forgive me, but I was NOT going to continue to type out every character after that.

Secondly, I wasn't "coming at you". I was merely pointing out that if thread titles aren't accurately portrayed, then it is not so easy to "just skip it", as the title may show a thread we are interested in, but when we open it, we find a whole other topic being discussed. Not once did I tell you what to think, nor did I say what could or could not be posted on prince.org. I merely said misleading thread titles make just skipping those threads nearly impossible.

But whatever Fly. You seem to like to play the victim when it comes to Andy.

Reply #279 posted 05/14/18 5:43pm

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Call it what you will, but when someone comes at me about a thread that I started, and that person can't even get the title of the thread correct...and then tries to tell me that it is misnamed and misleading, when clearly it is not...that, IMHO, falls under the category of outrageous meddling...and trolling. And, that is the nicest name I could think of for it.

In fact, that whole exchange with benni is a perfect example of Prince.org's biggest problem: Orgers who want to tell other orgers how to think...and who want to control the content of what can and cannot be posted here on Prince.org...based on their individual tastes/interests. Moreover, they set out to try to have removed any thread(s) they don't like...and, far too often, they are successful. Thus, the moderators often reward the bullies/troublemakers.

From my viewpoint, as long as it is about Prince's life and music, his entire life and career, and as long as it substantiated and not derogatory, pornographic, slanderous, or defamatory, any topic should be fine. That covers music, tours, fashion, associates, relationships, proteges, social media, activism/politics, films, videos, photos, spirituality, etc.

In the final analysis, Prince was many things to many people. The same should be true for Prince.org.


LOL - Actually, I didn't get the title wrong. You can see the very first post I made regarding the thread title, that I typed out every single character, forgive me, but I was NOT going to continue to type out every character after that.

Secondly, I wasn't "coming at you". I was merely pointing out that if thread titles aren't accurately portrayed, then it is not so easy to "just skip it", as the title may show a thread we are interested in, but when we open it, we find a whole other topic being discussed. Not once did I tell you what to think, nor did I say what could or could not be posted on prince.org. I merely said misleading thread titles make just skipping those threads nearly impossible.

But whatever Fly. You seem to like to play the victim when it comes to Andy.

And, you seem to be unable to admit when you are WRONG. The title is crystal clear: "Oui Can Luv Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: '2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead...'"

I mean, is the Oui Can Luv album not used for a tribute video called, "2 People in Luv with nothing but the road ahead"? Of course, it is. Thus, anyone with a second-grade reading comprehension level should know what is in store if they make the conscious choice to click on the link. Therefore, I am not going to give you the pleasure of wallowing in the mud with you. That is all. If you want to continue making a fool of yourself, you go right ahead, benni. Peace. peace

[Edited 5/14/18 18:09pm]

Reply #280 posted 05/14/18 6:20pm

Asenath

benni said:

rogifan said:

Asenath said: It’s not about censoring anything. It’s about not having umpteen different threads about the same person. In the Music & More section threads get locked up and re-directed to existing threads all the time. Why should it be different here?


I know I have posted things in PM&M and have had them locked and redirected to the appropriate thread. But I do think they need two separate boards from bandmembers, associates, collaborators vs ex-girlfriends. The ex-girlfriends get a lot of attention and people have a lot of opinions about them. If they have their own board, then this one can strictly focus on the music/interviews/concerts by associates.

How do you seperate them? Wasn't Jill Jones both? Andy? Shelia E?

Reply #281 posted 05/14/18 6:21pm

Asenath

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

But by that token: What does it matter if the conversations around certain individual associates are consolidated into one thread per associate? Wouldn't that make it easier for the people who are interested in discussing that person to find each other/follow the conversation, and easier for people who aren't interested to skip past it (similar to the one Death Talk sticky on the PM&M page)?

[Edited 5/11/18 7:31am]

In fact, it's just the opposite. Trying to navigate those LONG sticky threads, often with dozens of pages, is very time-consuming. For that very reason, I seldom frequent the "Death" and "Estate" stickies. It is much easier, IMHO, to follow more narrowly focused threads.

Exactly

Reply #282 posted 05/14/18 6:42pm

Asenath

206Michelle said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

It has not even been established that JH was sleeping with Prince. I have heard that she stayed at a hotel in Chanhassen while she was working for extended periods at Paisley Park. And, based on the police interview I read, she seemed totally flummoxed when they asked her which side of the bed P slept on. After stumbling over the question, she eventually said that he slept on the side closest to the bathroom. And, we know for sure that when Prince flew her in to attend the Atlanta PAAM show, she told the police that she flew in the night before...and she was driven to her hotel. The more I think about it, that is probably a large part of why the bodyguards and driver say that she was not intimately involved with Prince: apparently, she didn't spend nights at The Park.



[Edited 5/11/18 23:23pm]

I think of Judith Hill as a protegee and companion of Prince's. From what I read of her interview with Carver County police as well as what others (Kirk, Damaris, etc.) have stated, it's unclear whether or not she and Prince were dating because she claims that they were and others claim that they were not. I don't really know what to believe about them being romantically involved, but she certainly was a protegee and companion of his.

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"Romantic relationship" and "girlfriend"/"boyfriend" mean different things to different people. It is possible for two people to be in a romantic relationship/be boyfriend-girlfriend without having a sexual relationship. For example, some couples choose to abstan from sex until marriage due to religious beliefs.

never mind

[Edited 5/14/18 19:46pm]

Reply #283 posted 05/14/18 6:45pm

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:


LOL - Actually, I didn't get the title wrong. You can see the very first post I made regarding the thread title, that I typed out every single character, forgive me, but I was NOT going to continue to type out every character after that.

Secondly, I wasn't "coming at you". I was merely pointing out that if thread titles aren't accurately portrayed, then it is not so easy to "just skip it", as the title may show a thread we are interested in, but when we open it, we find a whole other topic being discussed. Not once did I tell you what to think, nor did I say what could or could not be posted on prince.org. I merely said misleading thread titles make just skipping those threads nearly impossible.

But whatever Fly. You seem to like to play the victim when it comes to Andy.

And, you seem to be unable to admit when you are WRONG. The title is crystal clear: "Oui Can Luv Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: '2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead...'"

I mean, is the Oui Can Luv album not used for a tribute video called, "2 People in Luv with nothing but the road ahead"? Of course, it is. Thus, anyone with a second-grade reading comprehension level should know what is in store if they make the conscious choice to click on the link. Therefore, I am not going to give you the pleasure of wallowing in the mud with you. That is all. If you want to continue making a fool of yourself, you go right ahead, benni. Peace. peace

[Edited 5/14/18 18:09pm]


LMAO....I had stopped responding. You had brought it up again when you had no need to. You had already responded to disch's response once before, but apparently this has been bothering you, so you had to go back and respond to it again, and bring up the conversation that ended two pages ago, 2 days ago.

But meh, this conversation isn't worth my time or effort. You obviously wanted to rehash it and I fell for it. Won't do so again.

Reply #284 posted 05/14/18 6:48pm

benni

Asenath said:

benni said:


I know I have posted things in PM&M and have had them locked and redirected to the appropriate thread. But I do think they need two separate boards from bandmembers, associates, collaborators vs ex-girlfriends. The ex-girlfriends get a lot of attention and people have a lot of opinions about them. If they have their own board, then this one can strictly focus on the music/interviews/concerts by associates.

How do you seperate them? Wasn't Jill Jones both? Andy? Shelia E?


Very easily, focus on the music, not his sexual involvement with them. If you want to talk about Jill the girlfriend, go the ex-girlfriends forum. If you want to talk about Jill's music, then the collaborators forum. Don't bring relationships into collaborators forum and don't take music to the ex-girlfriends forum. shrug

Reply #285 posted 05/14/18 6:55pm

Asenath

OldFriends4Sale said:

Asenath said:

So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid?

Read rule #7...you agreed to the rules...we are gods baby lol

.

But actually, we never said what is going to happen. How and why did you come to this flame bait conclusion?
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Please tell me where we said we would dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site?
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See THIS is why we have upstart problems on the org. You fabricated a whole mountain out of a mole hill.

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And do an org search on CENSORSHIP, we've discussed this before and sharp Org members have schooled those who cry censorship.
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But again, you fabricated a mountain out of paranoia

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I hope you are not still crying about PNV, she is gone because she wanted to.

I didn't fabricate anything. I'm not going to go tit for tat with you, and respond to your rude, slight digs. My post was framed as questions because you were very unclear with your post regarding "post about the ladies". Because I asked you a question privately, regarding how you responded to someone, in no way means that I am "crying"; what it does do is supply evidence to support my opinion that the way you present your post is unflattering and beneath that of someone with the task of being a moderator. Maybe you should take your own advice and review the rules about not attacking people.

Reply #286 posted 05/14/18 7:05pm

pinkcashmere23

benni said:

Asenath said:

How do you seperate them? Wasn't Jill Jones both? Andy? Shelia E?


Very easily, focus on the music, not his sexual involvement with them. If you want to talk about Jill the girlfriend, go the ex-girlfriends forum. If you want to talk about Jill's music, then the collaborators forum. Don't bring relationships into collaborators forum and don't take music to the ex-girlfriends forum. shrug

I think that might be a good idea. I suppose the songs written that were perceived to be about a relationship would be discussed in the ex-girlfriends forum.

Reply #287 posted 05/14/18 7:08pm

disch

That principle is already in place in this site's Music: Non-Prince section, which has these instructions: "Music: Non-Prince is forum to discuss music, albums, tours, songs instruments by musicians entertainers singers (non 'related' to Prince ie (ex)band members (ex)protege members

Any gossip, lifestyle, domestic issues, general discussion of an entertainer musician or singer that isn't about their music, albums, tours, songs, instruments should be posted in the General Discussion section."

pinkcashmere23 said:

benni said:


Very easily, focus on the music, not his sexual involvement with them. If you want to talk about Jill the girlfriend, go the ex-girlfriends forum. If you want to talk about Jill's music, then the collaborators forum. Don't bring relationships into collaborators forum and don't take music to the ex-girlfriends forum. shrug

I think that might be a good idea. I suppose the songs written that were perceived to be about a relationship would be discussed in the ex-girlfriends forum.

[Edited 5/14/18 19:08pm]

Reply #288 posted 05/14/18 7:12pm

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

That principle is already in place in this site's Music: Non-Prince section, which has these instructions: "Music: Non-Prince is forum to discuss music, albums, tours, songs instruments by musicians entertainers singers (non 'related' to Prince ie (ex)band members (ex)protege members

Any gossip, lifestyle, domestic issues, general discussion of an entertainer musician or singer that isn't about their music, albums, tours, songs, instruments should be posted in the General Discussion section."

pinkcashmere23 said:

I think that might be a good idea. I suppose the songs written that were perceived to be about a relationship would be discussed in the ex-girlfriends forum.

[Edited 5/14/18 19:08pm]

But, doesn't the description for the "Associated artists & people" forum specify that it is "Talk about ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."? Just look near the top of this page.

Reply #289 posted 05/14/18 7:21pm

PennyPurple

disch said:

That principle is already in place in this site's Music: Non-Prince section, which has these instructions: "Music: Non-Prince is forum to discuss music, albums, tours, songs instruments by musicians entertainers singers (non 'related' to Prince ie (ex)band members (ex)protege members

Any gossip, lifestyle, domestic issues, general discussion of an entertainer musician or singer that isn't about their music, albums, tours, songs, instruments should be posted in the General Discussion section."

[Edited 5/14/18 19:08pm]

BUT the description for the Assoc Artist forum says this:

Associated artists & people

Talk about ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc...

Reply #290 posted 05/14/18 7:41pm

disch

Yes, but the moderators said at in the first post that some change is coming to this section, so some of us are suggesting what kind of changes might work. One idea might be to organize things more like the Music: Non-Prince section. There are other ideas too, to help foster more diverse conversations that extend beyond the current love-life-centric/"I think Prince loved <whoever> the MOSTEST"-type conversations in this section.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

That principle is already in place in this site's Music: Non-Prince section, which has these instructions: "Music: Non-Prince is forum to discuss music, albums, tours, songs instruments by musicians entertainers singers (non 'related' to Prince ie (ex)band members (ex)protege members

Any gossip, lifestyle, domestic issues, general discussion of an entertainer musician or singer that isn't about their music, albums, tours, songs, instruments should be posted in the General Discussion section."

[Edited 5/14/18 19:08pm]

But, doesn't the description for the "Associated artists & people" forum specify that it is "Talk about ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."? Just look near the top of this page.

Reply #291 posted 05/14/18 7:58pm

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

Yes, but the moderators said at in the first post that some change is coming to this section, so some of us are suggesting what kind of changes might work. One idea might be to organize things more like the Music: Non-Prince section. There are other ideas too, to help foster more diverse conversations that extend beyond the current love-life-centric/"I think Prince loved <whoever> the MOSTEST"-type conversations in this section.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

But, doesn't the description for the "Associated artists & people" forum specify that it is "Talk about ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."? Just look near the top of this page.

Okay...but, how is the Music: Non-Prince section organized any differently than any of the other forums?

Reply #292 posted 05/14/18 8:12pm

disch

Well, because like this section, Music: Non-Prince focuses on musical people who aren't Prince, but there's a specific rule there that people can only talk about music-related topics; to discuss non-music topics about those artists, orgers are instructed to go elsewhere (in that case, the General Discussion area).

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So I was pointing out, following a discussion here about trying to divide conversations into music and non-music topics, that split has already occurred in the Music: Non-Prince section and it seems to be working there, so perhaps there's some learnings from that section that can be applied to this section.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Yes, but the moderators said at in the first post that some change is coming to this section, so some of us are suggesting what kind of changes might work. One idea might be to organize things more like the Music: Non-Prince section. There are other ideas too, to help foster more diverse conversations that extend beyond the current love-life-centric/"I think Prince loved <whoever> the MOSTEST"-type conversations in this section.

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Okay...but, how is the Music: Non-Prince section organized any differently than any of the other forums?

Reply #293 posted 05/14/18 8:19pm

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

Well, because like this section, Music: Non-Prince focuses on musical people who aren't Prince, but there's a specific rule there that people can only talk about music-related topics; to discuss non-music topics about those artists, orgers are instructed to go elsewhere (in that case, the General Discussion area).

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So I was pointing out, following a discussion here about trying to divide conversations into music and non-music topics, that split has already occurred in the Music: Non-Prince section and it seems to be working there, so perhaps there's some learnings from that section that can be applied to this section.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Okay...but, how is the Music: Non-Prince section organized any differently than any of the other forums?

That might be a good idea...but, chances are the very same Orgers would still be right there, front-and-center, complaining about the content of threads they don't like or about which they are not interested.

Reply #294 posted 05/14/18 8:31pm

disch

Well I think the "very same orgers" would be intent on bringing in love-life/so-and-so was prince's soul mate/last-confirmed-girlfrend/one-true-love discussion into music-related topics. The very same orgers who have made clear that they view ANY attempt to corral repetitive threads and discussions as a form of censorship. So I think this might end up not being fair to moderators who'd have to try to babysit.

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Just look, with honest eyes, at the posters who are dominating this section with their posts. It's not the people you brand the troublemakers, the meddlers, the busybodies etc. And it's too late at night where I am to argue with you about this, but I'm sure you'll dispute that.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Well, because like this section, Music: Non-Prince focuses on musical people who aren't Prince, but there's a specific rule there that people can only talk about music-related topics; to discuss non-music topics about those artists, orgers are instructed to go elsewhere (in that case, the General Discussion area).

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So I was pointing out, following a discussion here about trying to divide conversations into music and non-music topics, that split has already occurred in the Music: Non-Prince section and it seems to be working there, so perhaps there's some learnings from that section that can be applied to this section.

That might be a good idea...but, chances are the very same Orgers would still be right there, front-and-center, complaining about the content of threads they don't like or about which they are not interested.

Reply #295 posted 05/14/18 8:57pm

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

Well I think the "very same orgers" would be intent on bringing in love-life/so-and-so was prince's soul mate/last-confirmed-girlfrend/one-true-love discussion into music-related topics. The very same orgers who have made clear that they view ANY attempt to corral repetitive threads and discussions as a form of censorship. So I think this might end up not being fair to moderators who'd have to try to babysit.

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Just look, with honest eyes, at the posters who are dominating this section with their posts. It's not the people you brand the troublemakers, the meddlers, the busybodies etc. And it's too late at night where I am to argue with you about this, but I'm sure you'll dispute that.

FlyOnTheWall said:

That might be a good idea...but, chances are the very same Orgers would still be right there, front-and-center, complaining about the content of threads they don't like or about which they are not interested.

Personally, I sometimes go months at a time without even posting on Prince.org. And, I am not one to regularly initiate threads. The most active threads I've ever had at one time is now: three. I'm not into "forum flooding," which I think can be problematic if not controlled.

And, when I do come onto the Org, I don't bother anyone. I'm not into bullying. Now, that's not to say that I won't defend myself from attacks. But, by-and-large, mine is a peaceful vibe. My goal is not to argue. It never is...but, I'm not going to let others just steamroll me either, as some are wont to do here.

I'm not a musician or a music theorist, so the really technical threads tend to go over my head. I'm drawn to discussions of relationships and culture, particularly during Prince's final years. That's my lane...and I tend to stay in it.

Lastly, I don't think the moderators should be in the business of "babysitting." IMHO, that is part of the problem. I like to think that all Orgers are adults...and they should behave as such...as civil adults. If they can't abide by a "no personal attacks, no name-calling, no bullying" policy, then, they should be shown the exit. Such a no-nonsense policy would make a world of difference around here. But, that just my twocents .

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Reply #296 posted 05/14/18 9:04pm

pinkcashmere23

disch said:

Well I think the "very same orgers" would be intent on bringing in love-life/so-and-so was prince's soul mate/last-confirmed-girlfrend/one-true-love discussion into music-related topics. The very same orgers who have made clear that they view ANY attempt to corral repetitive threads and discussions as a form of censorship. So I think this might end up not being fair to moderators who'd have to try to babysit.

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Just look, with honest eyes, at the posters who are dominating this section with their posts. It's not the people you brand the troublemakers, the meddlers, the busybodies etc. And it's too late at night where I am to argue with you about this, but I'm sure you'll dispute that.

FlyOnTheWall said:

That might be a good idea...but, chances are the very same Orgers would still be right there, front-and-center, complaining about the content of threads they don't like or about which they are not interested.

Discussion of the music of the proteges who were love interests usually shifts to talk of personal relatiionships such as with Judith's recent song Irreplaceable Love and it even happened on one of the Natalya threads as well. Some of the songs on Superconductor for instance are about Prince and the songs that were written together were seemingly about their relationship.In some cases,the line between the professional relationship and the personal is blurred.

Reply #297 posted 05/15/18 6:06am

poppys

disch said:

Well, because like this section, Music: Non-Prince focuses on musical people who aren't Prince, but there's a specific rule there that people can only talk about music-related topics; to discuss non-music topics about those artists, orgers are instructed to go elsewhere (in that case, the General Discussion area).

What makes sense about throwing Prince's personal associations into General Discussion? General Discussion is just that - general - not Prince related. Are you just trying to dump something into a forum you don't use? Do you ever post in GD?


[Edited 5/15/18 7:05am]

Reply #298 posted 05/15/18 6:46am

GoldenParachute

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



GoldenParachute said:


FlyOnTheWall said:

 


I guess that pretty much confirms what I've suspected all along: Lala exaggerates and embellishes her association with Prince.


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It does not take much for you to feel “confirmed” of the lack of importance of other women that were in Prince’s life does it? You’re psychotic. Completely obsessed with Andy Allo. You spend all your time online arguing (I’m sure to andy’s dismay), that she was his soul mate and everyone else was unimportant. It would probably crush your soul to come to the reality that Judith was indeed romantic and Lala had her own separate mailbox filtered from the other women? lol Why haven’t you been banned yet? No one appreciates the ridiculous amount of time you spend obsessing over andy. No one. You are trying so hard night and day to convince others of your fantasy and it looks like you have snagged a few believers but no one who is an actual adult with a healthy mental state and who has a job is amused.

Was it reported in the Carver County documents that Lala had a separate mailbox? If your claim can be substantiated, that would be pretty convincing to me that she had a substantial relationship with Prince. Just like the reports from THREE Prince insiders who state categorically that Judith Hill was not his girlfriend. I would love to see a link to any such reports about Lala's separate mailbox. Please share.

I have a question, GoldenParachute: Why are you so worried about me? And, why do you want to see me banned? Moreover, why are you consistently bullying me and calling me demeaning names??? This must be what the Salem Witch Hunts were like.  rolleyes

Lastly, for the record, I have never once said that Andy was Prince's soulmate and I have never said that any other woman he was involved with was "unimportant." That is how lies start and spread.

Also, speaking of Andy...and on a more positive note...did you see her sing "Nothing More" at her StageIt concert Saturday? I think her latest rendition was even more soulful than usual. Some thought she might run away from singing that song since it was revealed in her leaked love letter that it was inspired by Prince. I'm glad she held her head high, was in good spirits, and belted out her classic ballad.





 

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Why does anything have to be convincing to YOU? Why do you think you are so important that something needs to pass by your judge and jury to be labeled truth? Why is it that you think you have Prince’s love life figured out at all? Because you think you are good at Blues Clues and think Prince left you hints? Do you not see your sickness?

I cannot even read everything you write because it is SO insane.

You have the same tired propaganda insanity of shoving Andy down peoples throats. FOR. MONTHS. You don’t see your unhealthy obsession with her?

What does Andy being so important to Prince do for you? Tell us. Do you live vicariously through Andy?

I believe you will find any reason to argue that your narrative of Prince’s love life is as you see it. You are in a fit of cognitive dissonance and you absolutely refuse to let anyone else persuade you from your fantasy.

I saw you mention bullying in here. Guess what? You are every bit of it.

Tell me, is picking apart other female protégée’s here and tearing them down, without having ANY real truth to grasp but your own guesses and delusions, constitute bullying?

Are they here to defend themselves or give us the truth? Yet you ply away at every angle you can that strictly fits your perspective towards any female associate with Prince if it is suggested they are romantically tied to him.

I have seen you say some pretty AWFUL things about other female associates that were suggested to even have a hint of romance with Prince.
But tell us again how you are the victim, you aren’t a bully and you are a peaceful vibe. lol

You absolutely SHRED any female associate who is not Andy.

Passive aggressively or directly crude.

What makes you think this is going to make people like Andy?


One thing is certain, you are NOT the victim, you are the antagonist.

You are a hypocrite and a fanatic who denies her own obsessive posting.

You actually wrote “I do not come on here for months”. Who are you kidding? lol
Reply #299 posted 05/15/18 7:09am

poppys


^^ Fly should have one ID. ONE. At least we could all skip over the insanity more easily.


Reply #300 posted 05/15/18 7:19am

FlyOnTheWall

GoldenParachute said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Was it reported in the Carver County documents that Lala had a separate mailbox? If your claim can be substantiated, that would be pretty convincing to me that she had a substantial relationship with Prince. Just like the reports from THREE Prince insiders who state categorically that Judith Hill was not his girlfriend. I would love to see a link to any such reports about Lala's separate mailbox. Please share.

I have a question, GoldenParachute: Why are you so worried about me? And, why do you want to see me banned? Moreover, why are you consistently bullying me and calling me demeaning names??? This must be what the Salem Witch Hunts were like. rolleyes

Lastly, for the record, I have never once said that Andy was Prince's soulmate and I have never said that any other woman he was involved with was "unimportant." That is how lies start and spread.

Also, speaking of Andy...and on a more positive note...did you see her sing "Nothing More" at her StageIt concert Saturday? I think her latest rendition was even more soulful than usual. Some thought she might run away from singing that song since it was revealed in her leaked love letter that it was inspired by Prince. I'm glad she held her head high, was in good spirits, and belted out her classic ballad.



[Edited 5/14/18 9:55am]

Why does anything have to be convincing to YOU? Why do you think you are so important that something needs to pass by your judge and jury to be labeled truth? Why is it that you think you have Prince’s love life figured out at all? Because you think you are good at Blues Clues and think Prince left you hints? Do you not see your sickness? I cannot even read everything you write because it is SO insane. You have the same tired propaganda insanity of shoving Andy down peoples throats. FOR. MONTHS. You don’t see your unhealthy obsession with her? What does Andy being so important to Prince do for you? Tell us. Do you live vicariously through Andy? I believe you will find any reason to argue that your narrative of Prince’s love life is as you see it. You are in a fit of cognitive dissonance and you absolutely refuse to let anyone else persuade you from your fantasy. I saw you mention bullying in here. Guess what? You are every bit of it. Tell me, is picking apart other female protégée’s here and tearing them down, without having ANY real truth to grasp but your own guesses and delusions, constitute bullying? Are they here to defend themselves or give us the truth? Yet you ply away at every angle you can that strictly fits your perspective towards any female associate with Prince if it is suggested they are romantically tied to him. I have seen you say some pretty AWFUL things about other female associates that were suggested to even have a hint of romance with Prince. But tell us again how you are the victim, you aren’t a bully and you are a peaceful vibe. lol You absolutely SHRED any female associate who is not Andy. Passive aggressively or directly crude. What makes you think this is going to make people like Andy? One thing is certain, you are NOT the victim, you are the antagonist. You are a hypocrite and a fanatic who denies her own obsessive posting. You actually wrote “I do not come on here for months”. Who are you kidding? lol

Please cite just ONE example.

Reply #301 posted 05/15/18 7:29am

disch

No, I wasn't suggesting the conversations about Prince's love life go into GD. I was simpy pointing out, in response to another discussion in this thread about trying to split apart "personal" tallk from "music/professional" talk, that such a split is in effect in the Non-Prince forum and it looks like people adhere to it.

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IF such a split were instituted in this section, the "love life" talk would probably be contained to a particular thread(s) not a separate section entirely (unless the mods wanted to start a whole separate section about Prince's love life).

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I'm not saying it would work well in this section to do that, just that the split-by-subject principle is in effect in that other section already.

poppys said:

disch said:

Well, because like this section, Music: Non-Prince focuses on musical people who aren't Prince, but there's a specific rule there that people can only talk about music-related topics; to discuss non-music topics about those artists, orgers are instructed to go elsewhere (in that case, the General Discussion area).

What makes sense about throwing Prince's personal associations into General Discussion? General Discussion is just that - general - not Prince related. Are you just trying to dump something into a forum you don't use? Do you ever post in GD?


[Edited 5/15/18 7:05am]

Reply #302 posted 05/15/18 12:21pm

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

No, I wasn't suggesting the conversations about Prince's love life go into GD. I was simpy pointing out, in response to another discussion in this thread about trying to split apart "personal" tallk from "music/professional" talk, that such a split is in effect in the Non-Prince forum and it looks like people adhere to it.

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IF such a split were instituted in this section, the "love life" talk would probably be contained to a particular thread(s) not a separate section entirely (unless the mods wanted to start a whole separate section about Prince's love life).

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I'm not saying it would work well in this section to do that, just that the split-by-subject principle is in effect in that other section already.

poppys said:

What makes sense about throwing Prince's personal associations into General Discussion? General Discussion is just that - general - not Prince related. Are you just trying to dump something into a forum you don't use? Do you ever post in GD?


[Edited 5/15/18 7:05am]

I still don't understand why there is so much talk of "containment" when it comes to discussions of Prince's relationships, especially when that is such a storied part of his legend and mystique. It's simply not possible to examine Prince's full story without looking closely at his relationships, both professional and romantic. Just as there were different hairstyles and fashions during different eras, there were also relationships. I have to wonder if the goal is really to "contain" the discussion of all of his relationships...or just some of them.

Reply #303 posted 05/15/18 12:31pm

disch

I think that containing the talk about his love life is for the same reason that the mods contain talk of other topics (no, not "censor." This is a message board and "censorship" doesn't really apply. And no, not to treat people like victims in the Salem Witch Trials. If someone really feels that posting here is like being hanged or burned alive, they should really find a new hobby!).

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This has already been explained to you a few times, and you become very angry about it but here it goes again: The idea around containing is to make this a welcoming enviroment for ALL orgers, not just those interested in one particular topic. I don't think it shows a lot of community spirit to say that you will create and keep alive thread after thread about the same topic, and demand that everyone else wade your particular favorite threads to find what they are looking for (or else see their threads fall down/off the page quickly).

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It's called being a considerate community member and thoughtful of everyone's varied interests (whether or not those interests have are centered around Prince's personal romantic and sexual habits). I'm perfectly willing to contain topics I'm interested in to one thread to make the community easier and more enjoyable for others. It's hard for me to understand why someone would refuse to do that.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

No, I wasn't suggesting the conversations about Prince's love life go into GD. I was simpy pointing out, in response to another discussion in this thread about trying to split apart "personal" tallk from "music/professional" talk, that such a split is in effect in the Non-Prince forum and it looks like people adhere to it.

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IF such a split were instituted in this section, the "love life" talk would probably be contained to a particular thread(s) not a separate section entirely (unless the mods wanted to start a whole separate section about Prince's love life).

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I'm not saying it would work well in this section to do that, just that the split-by-subject principle is in effect in that other section already.

I still don't understand why there is so much talk of "containment" when it comes to discussions of Prince's relationships, especially when that is such a storied part of his legend and mystique. It's simply not possible to examine Prince's full story without looking closely at his relationships, both professional and romantic. Just as there were different hairstyles and fashions during different eras, there were also relationships. I have to wonder if the goal is really to "contain" the discussion of all of his relationships...or just some of them.

Reply #304 posted 05/15/18 1:05pm

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

I think that containing the talk about his love life is for the same reason that the mods contain talk of other topics (no, not "censor." This is a message board and "censorship" doesn't really apply. And no, not to treat people like victims in the Salem Witch Trials. If someone really feels that posting here is like being hanged or burned alive, they should really find a new hobby!).

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This has already been explained to you a few times, and you become very angry about it but here it goes again: The idea around containing is to make this a welcoming enviroment for ALL orgers, not just those interested in one particular topic. I don't think it shows a lot of community spirit to say that you will create and keep alive thread after thread about the same topic, and demand that everyone else wade your particular favorite threads to find what they are looking for (or else see their threads fall down/off the page quickly).

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It's called being a considerate community member and thoughtful of everyone's varied interests (whether or not those interests have are centered around Prince's personal romantic and sexual habits). I'm perfectly willing to contain topics I'm interested in to one thread to make the community easier and more enjoyable for others. It's hard for me to understand why someone would refuse to do that.

FlyOnTheWall said:

I still don't understand why there is so much talk of "containment" when it comes to discussions of Prince's relationships, especially when that is such a storied part of his legend and mystique. It's simply not possible to examine Prince's full story without looking closely at his relationships, both professional and romantic. Just as there were different hairstyles and fashions during different eras, there were also relationships. I have to wonder if the goal is really to "contain" the discussion of all of his relationships...or just some of them.

For some reason, you have a tendency to mischaracterize me. I have never, ever written or inquired about Prince's "sexual habits." As I've said previously, I'm interested in relationships. And, when have I been "very angry"? I wrote in all caps during a recent exchange with benni, but I was not angry. I was exasperated...and I did not start that curious melee.

And, why does posting about my interests make me an "(in)considerate community member"? Everyone else posts about their interests. Are they not being considerate community members?

Also, for the record, before my threads about Prince and Andy were routinely locked and erased, I never had more than one active thread. But, eventually, as each one was removed, I started another one. I guess you could say that since there seems to be a determined effort to erase that particular Prince relationship, which was a major part of his last years and final musical output, it has made me all the more determined to document it here on Prince.org. For instance, most recently, even a wonderful Superconductor Appreciation Thread, centered around the music and lyrics--and started by someone else--was even removed. Why don't you speak out on that shameful phenomenon, disch?

Reply #305 posted 05/15/18 1:10pm

poppys

Why are we beating around the bush here? Fly and her alters are blotting out the sun on every thread. Continuing to argue minutiae is co-dependent. Are posters/the site getting paid for clicks here? Because it will change my viewing style.

DZuNBh9U8AAMvQv.jpg

Reply #306 posted 05/15/18 1:51pm

FlyOnTheWall

poppys said:

Why are we beating around the bush here? Fly and her alters are blotting out the sun on every thread. Continuing to argue minutiae is co-dependent. Are posters/the site getting paid for clicks here? Because it will change my viewing style.

DZuNBh9U8AAMvQv.jpg

I absolutely heart this beautiful foliaged tribute to Prince and his magnificent afro. It's a shame to see it used in such a toxic way. disbelief hmph!

Reply #307 posted 05/15/18 2:03pm

benni

[All links below work. Those not working have been fixed. When posting link ...

[ url ] thread link [ /url], backspace at the end to take out the underline and add [ /url ] smile

luv4u

Threads dedicated to Superconductor:

http://prince.org/msg/5/442038


http://prince.org/msg/7/430162


http://prince.org/msg/5/3...?&pg=7


Threads about Andy Allo and Prince:


http://prince.org/msg/7/4...7&pg=2


http://prince.org/msg/5/446753


http://prince.org/msg/7/410886


http://prince.org/msg/7/371874


http://prince.org/msg/5/382995


http://prince.org/msg/5/4...?&pg=3


http://prince.org/msg/5/442712


http://prince.org/msg/7/434254


And there are a ton more.

Don't think any one is trying to erase this history. Threads are from 2011 - 2017.

Reply #308 posted 05/15/18 2:12pm

poppys

FlyOnTheWall said:

poppys said:

Why are we beating around the bush here? Fly and her alters are blotting out the sun on every thread. Continuing to argue minutiae is co-dependent. Are posters/the site getting paid for clicks here? Because it will change my viewing style.

I absolutely heart this beautiful foliaged tribute to Prince and his magnificent afro. It's a shame to see it used in such a toxic way. disbelief hmph!


YOU SUCK the life out of people, that's the shame.

Reply #309 posted 05/15/18 2:15pm

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

Threads dedicated to Superconductor:

http://prince.org/msg/5/442038


http://prince.org/msg/7/430162


http://prince.org/msg/5/3...?&pg=7


Threads about Andy Allo and Prince:


http://prince.org/msg/7/4...7&pg=2


http://prince.org/msg/5/446753


http://prince.org/msg/7/410886


http://prince.org/msg/7/371874



http://prince.org/msg/5/382995


http://prince.org/msg/5/4...?&pg=3


http://prince.org/msg/5/442712


http://prince.org/msg/7/434254


And there are a ton more.

Don't think any one is trying to erase this history. Threads are from 2011 - 2017.

The content of each thread is different. BTW, while you're at it, why don't you provide links to the ones that have been erased.

Update: Also, I just clicked on all the links and 4-5 of them are not accessible, as they are misdirected to some strange, unrelated page.




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[Access links on post 307 - luv4u]

Reply #310 posted 05/15/18 2:36pm

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

Threads dedicated to Superconductor:

http://prince.org/msg/5/442038


http://prince.org/msg/7/430162


http://prince.org/msg/5/3...?&pg=7" target="_blank">http://prince.org/msg/5/3...?&pg=7


Threads about Andy Allo and Prince:


http://prince.org/msg/7/4...7&pg=2


http://prince.org/msg/5/446753


http://prince.org/msg/7/410886


http://prince.org/msg/7/371874



http://prince.org/msg/5/382995


http://prince.org/msg/5/4...?&pg=3


http://prince.org/msg/5/442712


http://prince.org/msg/7/434254


And there are a ton more.

Don't think any one is trying to erase this history. Threads are from 2011 - 2017.

The content of each thread is different. BTW, while you're at it, why don't you provide links to the ones that have been erased.


You really just try to be difficult because you can, don't you?

The first link I posted under Andy and Prince from 2016:

" I wish he had followed his heart (and hers) and married her. But, to be sure, I don't buy into the notion that Prince wrote the entire album and just gave Andy credit, as many Orgers did at one time. There was even an entire thread dedicated to that notion a few years ago. I absolutely believe that she wrote the six songs that she is credited with and that Prince only co-wrote three songs. It is his PRODUCTION, not the writing, that makes it a Prince album. Huge difference." FlyOnTheWall

The second one from 2017 is titled: Kim confirms that Prince was dating Andy Allo at 16:00

The third one, from 2014, is titled: So, are Andy and Prince still dating?

The fourth one, from 2011, is titled: Does he really love Andy Allo or it's just a PR trick?

The fifth one, from 2012, is an interview in which she is asked about Prince. And the third response in the thread is: Looks like they are married. I like her wedding ring, it's lookign good. Congrats Prince! icon_cool.gif

The sixth one was a repeat, sorry. I didn't catch that it was the same thread as the one that Kim confirms Prince was dating Andy.

The seventh is a video of the day Prince and Andy met.

The eighth one is about the song The Story of you and I.


WIDE various topics there. eek


Reply #311 posted 05/15/18 2:37pm

benni

And I just clicked on all of them and they opened right up for me. I clicked on them to get the titles and/or subject matter.

Reply #312 posted 05/15/18 2:52pm

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

And I just clicked on all of them and they opened right up for me. I clicked on them to get the titles and/or subject matter.

I guess others can just click for themselves and see what happens. And, who knows: maybe, they won't be misdirected any longer. Presently, I can copy and paste the links into my browser--for one of the Superconductor threads and four Prince and Andy threads--and the thread will open, but if I click on the links, no such luck. Odds are, most people won't take that extra step unless forewarned.

Reply #313 posted 05/15/18 2:56pm

benni

Perhaps the Google Search at the top of the page?

I typed in Andy Allo and Prince and 10 pages came up.


https://cse.google.com/cs...gsc.page=1

Reply #314 posted 05/15/18 2:56pm

cloveringold85

This thread.....daayuum!!

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Image result for prince rogers nelson gif

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #315 posted 05/15/18 2:58pm

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

Perhaps the Google Search at the top of the page?

I typed in Andy Allo and Prince and 10 pages came up.


https://cse.google.com/cs...gsc.page=1

You are deflecting. NONE of this has anything to do with the erased links.

Reply #316 posted 05/15/18 3:03pm

benni

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

Perhaps the Google Search at the top of the page?

I typed in Andy Allo and Prince and 10 pages came up.


https://cse.google.com/cs...gsc.page=1

You are deflecting. NONE of this has anything to do with the erased links.


Fly, I think you miss the point.

You stated: " I guess you could say that since there seems to be a determined effort to erase that particular Prince relationship, which was a major part of his last years and final musical output, it has made me all the more determined to document it here on Prince.org."

I was showing that no one is trying to erase that history. So it's not the history that you are upset by, you really have no proof that anyone is trying to erase that history. What you are upset about are that some of the threads that you've started or engaged in has been erased. It has nothing to do with preserving the history, as you can see that the history is preserved.

Reply #317 posted 05/15/18 3:09pm

FlyOnTheWall

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

You are deflecting. NONE of this has anything to do with the erased links.


Fly, I think you miss the point.

You stated: " I guess you could say that since there seems to be a determined effort to erase that particular Prince relationship, which was a major part of his last years and final musical output, it has made me all the more determined to document it here on Prince.org."

I was showing that no one is trying to erase that history. So it's not the history that you are upset by, you really have no proof that anyone is trying to erase that history. What you are upset about are that some of the threads that you've started or engaged in has been erased. It has nothing to do with preserving the history, as you can see that the history is preserved.

Whatever, benni. BTW, it seems you are yet another moderator-like Orger to emerge on this thread. In any case, I don't need to waste my time going back and forth with you. People can read and see for themselves. Buh, bye. wave

Reply #318 posted 05/15/18 3:27pm

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

Threads dedicated to Superconductor:

http://prince.org/msg/5/442038


http://prince.org/msg/7/430162


http://prince.org/msg/5/3...?&pg=7


Threads about Andy Allo and Prince:


http://prince.org/msg/7/4...7&pg=2


http://prince.org/msg/5/446753


http://prince.org/msg/7/410886


http://prince.org/msg/7/371874



http://prince.org/msg/5/382995


http://prince.org/msg/5/4...?&pg=3


http://prince.org/msg/5/442712


http://prince.org/msg/7/434254


And there are a ton more.

Don't think any one is trying to erase this history. Threads are from 2011 - 2017.

The content of each thread is different. BTW, while you're at it, why don't you provide links to the ones that have been erased.

Update: Also, I just clicked on all the links and 4-5 of them are not accessible, as they are misdirected to some strange, unrelated page.




[Edited 5/15/18 14:30pm]

I was misdirected on a at least three of the links as well.

[Access links on post 307 - luv4u]

Reply #319 posted 05/15/18 3:37pm

benni

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

The content of each thread is different. BTW, while you're at it, why don't you provide links to the ones that have been erased.

Update: Also, I just clicked on all the links and 4-5 of them are not accessible, as they are misdirected to some strange, unrelated page.




[Edited 5/15/18 14:30pm]

I was misdirected on a at least three of the links as well.


Not sure why, pink. I copied and pasted them straight from the google search after I opened each one to see what it was. And when I typed out what each one was about, I clicked the links and it took me straight to them. :-/

Reply #320 posted 05/15/18 3:51pm

pinkcashmere23

benni said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I was misdirected on a at least three of the links as well.


Not sure why, pink. I copied and pasted them straight from the google search after I opened each one to see what it was. And when I typed out what each one was about, I clicked the links and it took me straight to them. :-/

I just tried them again and I'm being directed to a post about Graham Central,Chaka Khan and 1999 The New Master and a post about a Computer World lawsuit.

Reply #321 posted 05/15/18 3:53pm

XxAxX

cloveringold85 said:

This thread.....daayuum!!

.

Image result for prince rogers nelson gif




i think prince gave a lot of women the impression that they were 'the one' even if he was just being friends.

Reply #322 posted 05/15/18 3:56pm

disch

threads of ALL sorts have been hidden and locked by moderators. For example, have been a ton of death-talk threads and I'd say most of them ended up being hidden (and not to consolidate them, i mean after there were lots of posts on them).

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And I participated on these hidden threads, but you know what? I don't really care that they got hidden. It's the moderators decision and that's the way it goes. This is a message board, and if the rules and actions of the moderators infuriated me that much, I'd just someplace else on this wide-open space we call the internet. Or I'd put the work into starting my own site/facebook group that could work just the way I like it! But, like most of us I suspect, I really don't want to do that kind of work.

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

Perhaps the Google Search at the top of the page?

I typed in Andy Allo and Prince and 10 pages came up.


https://cse.google.com/cs...gsc.page=1

You are deflecting. NONE of this has anything to do with the erased links.

[Edited 5/15/18 15:57pm]

Reply #323 posted 05/15/18 3:58pm

poppys

XxAxX said:

cloveringold85 said:

This thread.....daayuum!!

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i think prince gave a lot of women the impression that they were 'the one' even if he was just being friends.


What exactly are you referring to?



Reply #324 posted 05/15/18 3:59pm

cloveringold85

XxAxX said:

cloveringold85 said:

This thread.....daayuum!!

.

Image result for prince rogers nelson gif




i think prince gave a lot of women the impression that they were 'the one' even if he was just being friends.

.

Oh, yea!! Without a doubt, LOL lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #325 posted 05/15/18 4:01pm

cloveringold85

poppys said:

XxAxX said:




i think prince gave a lot of women the impression that they were 'the one' even if he was just being friends.


What exactly are you referring to?



.

.........The fact that Prince made every girl who was in his presence feel special. He had the ability to "read" women and understand them, which made him a chick-magnet, naturally!! lol lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #326 posted 05/15/18 4:07pm

disch

Yes that's a techincal issue when you link to pages within this site. There are sometimes problems with the links.

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OS4S put together a very similar list on the first post of the thread linked below You guys are still actively posting on this thread; did you forget completely how it started?

http://prince.org/msg/5/453701

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pinkcashmere23 said:

benni said:


Not sure why, pink. I copied and pasted them straight from the google search after I opened each one to see what it was. And when I typed out what each one was about, I clicked the links and it took me straight to them. :-/

I just tried them again and I'm being directed to a post about Graham Central,Chaka Khan and 1999 The New Master and a post about a Computer World lawsuit.

Reply #327 posted 05/15/18 4:13pm

poppys

XxAxX said:


i think prince gave a lot of women the impression that they were 'the one' even if he was just being friends.

cloveringold85 said:

poppys said:


What exactly are you referring to?



.

.........The fact that Prince made every girl who was in his presence feel special. He had the ability to "read" women and understand them, which made him a chick-magnet, naturally!! lol lol


So you are answering for XxAxX? How does this fit into the discussion about the constant thread hijacks confuse ?

Reply #328 posted 05/15/18 4:16pm

pinkcashmere23

disch said:

Yes that's a techincal issue when you link to pages within this site. There are sometimes problems with the links.

-

OS4S put together a very similar list on the first post of the thread linked below You guys are still actively posting on this thread; did you forget completely how it started?

http://prince.org/msg/5/453701

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pinkcashmere23 said:

I just tried them again and I'm being directed to a post about Graham Central,Chaka Khan and 1999 The New Master and a post about a Computer World lawsuit.

Yeah it's been happening for a while.

Reply #329 posted 05/15/18 4:16pm

pinkcashmere23

duplicate

[Edited 5/15/18 16:18pm]

Reply #330 posted 05/15/18 4:23pm

cloveringold85

poppys said:

XxAxX said:


i think prince gave a lot of women the impression that they were 'the one' even if he was just being friends.

cloveringold85 said:

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.........The fact that Prince made every girl who was in his presence feel special. He had the ability to "read" women and understand them, which made him a chick-magnet, naturally!! lol lol


So you are answering for XxAxX? How does this fit into the discussion about the constant thread hijacks confuse ?

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Huh? XxAxX and I were talking, and I just replied to you, just to clarify what we meant, that's all.

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Relax.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #331 posted 05/15/18 4:25pm

poppys

cloveringold85 said:

poppys said:

XxAxX said:


i think prince gave a lot of women the impression that they were 'the one' even if he was just being friends.


So you are answering for XxAxX? How does this fit into the discussion about the constant thread hijacks confuse ?

.

Huh? XxAxX and I were talking, and I just replied to you, just to clarify what we meant, that's all.

.

Relax.


Clarify? Relax? Bless your heart, lol. This isn't a private website. If you don't want to talk to me don't reply to me.


[Edited 5/15/18 16:55pm]

Reply #332 posted 05/15/18 4:30pm

PennyPurple

I've been having problems posting an org link, within the Org. it does take you to some strange page.

Reply #333 posted 05/15/18 4:33pm

benni

PennyPurple said:

I've been having problems posting an org link, within the Org. it does take you to some strange page.


:-/ When you post them yourself, does it take you elsewhere or to the link you originally posted? I didn't have any trouble going to the links I posted, but obviously others are. But if they are interested in seeing the threads, I just typed "Andy Allo and Prince" in the search bar at the top and looked at the first prince.org threads that were coming up.

Reply #334 posted 05/15/18 4:35pm

pinkcashmere23

benni said:

PennyPurple said:

I've been having problems posting an org link, within the Org. it does take you to some strange page.


:-/ When you post them yourself, does it take you elsewhere or to the link you originally posted? I didn't have any trouble going to the links I posted, but obviously others are. But if they are interested in seeing the threads, I just typed "Andy Allo and Prince" in the search bar at the top and looked at the first prince.org threads that were coming up.

Yes, they work through the Google search.

Reply #335 posted 05/15/18 4:43pm

PennyPurple

benni said:

PennyPurple said:

I've been having problems posting an org link, within the Org. it does take you to some strange page.


:-/ When you post them yourself, does it take you elsewhere or to the link you originally posted? I didn't have any trouble going to the links I posted, but obviously others are. But if they are interested in seeing the threads, I just typed "Andy Allo and Prince" in the search bar at the top and looked at the first prince.org threads that were coming up.

When I post them myself and then I check the links it takes me to some wacko place here on the org. It happened again the other day to me, I think it was on the Chris Brown thread. I can post a link from another web page and it works fine, but I try to post a thread link and it doesn't work.

Reply #336 posted 05/15/18 4:46pm

PennyPurple

UK availability of GCS2000 and 1999: The New Master


This is what I got when I try to post a link to an org thread.

Reply #337 posted 05/15/18 4:48pm

benni

PennyPurple said:

UK availability of GCS2000 and 1999: The New Master


This is what I got when I try to post a link to an org thread.


Very strange. I think they need to fix this bug!

Reply #338 posted 05/15/18 5:09pm

cloveringold85

poppys said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Huh? XxAxX and I were talking, and I just replied to you, just to clarify what we meant, that's all.

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Relax.


Clarify? Relax? Bless your heart, lol. This isn't a private website. If you don't want to talk to me don't reply to me.


[Edited 5/15/18 16:55pm]

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Excuse me? You were asking XxAxX what we meant, and then I explained it to you, because it seemed as though you didn't understand what we meant.

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What's your problem? rolleyes

.

Re-read what you said below and my response -- Did I say anything offensive to you??

.

XxAxX said:


i think prince gave a lot of women the impression that they were 'the one' even if he was just being friends.

cloveringold85 said:

poppys said:


What exactly are you referring to?



.

.........The fact that Prince made every girl who was in his presence feel special. He had the ability to "read" women and understand them, which made him a chick-magnet, naturally!! icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif


So you are answering for XxAxX? How does this fit into the discussion about the constant thread hijacks icon_confuse.gif ?

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[Edited 5/15/18 17:14pm]

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #339 posted 05/15/18 5:31pm

violetcrush

benni said:

I think there needs to be another forum: Prince and the Women He Loved

Leave Associated artists & people as "ex-bandmembers, ex-employees, people he collaborated with" instead of "ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."

It is hard to come to this forum to look for information on band members when the number of threads discussing Prince's love life, who Prince loved more, which woman was The One, etc., seems to be the majority of threads over here.

Much of what is talked about in each of the threads involving the exes are the same pictures, the same articles, getting rehashed in each thread as proof to show this is who he loved more.

Personally, I think each of the women brought something to Prince and made him happy while they were together, and none of them were the LOVE of his life. I think they all were loved deeply at various times. I think he continued to care for all of them after the relationships ended, in the same way that we tend to care for those that we were involved with, after the relationships ended. At first, there may be some anger, confusion, and hurt feelings, but as time goes on, those feelings eventually mellow out and we tend to remember the better times more than we do the bad. We don't spend our lives (or at least I hope no one does, because that would be a very painful existence) lamenting the loss of the one that got away and pining after them for the rest of our lives. We may think of them from time to time, but we let them go and we move on with our lives and we meet someone else who we give all of our love to. The whole idea that Prince spent his time pining after this woman or that, that he never moved on from this woman or that one, I don't know how anyone could wish that kind of torment and pain on Prince. And if he were to have done that, that's not love, that's obsession and that is not healthy (nor romantic).

It's like the whole Mani episode, a lot of people blame Mani for the split from Mayte because she moved in on a married man. It takes two to tangle. If Prince were not open to cheating on Mayte, then Mani wouldn't have gotten close to him. Period. He was not innocent in that scenario. And Vanity/Denise was heavy into drugs, and if you've ever been around anyone that uses drugs like that, they have very unhealthy relationships. And Mayte was young when they met and was not fully developed emotionally, nor mentally, and as we all do, we change as we grow up and discover who we want to be as an adult. Those relationships from youth tend to be very emotional, needy, dependent, until we gain the maturity of handling a real relationship and it becomes more refined. None of the relationships Prince had were perfect. Each of them had their issues and Prince wasn't innocent. But people want to romanticize the women that Prince dated, married, had sex with. Prince was someone, when he moved on, he moved on. Too bad his fans couldn't.

Very well said benni. I agree with all of your thoughts here. However, I think because Prince communicated mainly through his music, and often used it to directly speak to those he had relations with - good or bad, many are intrigued by what those relationships were to him, and what his thoughts were about them.

*

You mentioned as an example some feeling that Mayte was "the one" and Manuela is to blame for that breakup. But then you hear a song like "Strange But True" a song he wrote at the end of their marriage which speaks to "the one he gave it to and the hole he's been trying to fill with another has now grown" - and one can't help but be intrigued about who he communicating to in that song.

*

So, it's Prince's fault smile The genius of his music has caused many of his fans/friends to try to put the puzzle pieces together, and also debate where those pieces should fit.

[Edited 5/15/18 17:32pm]

Reply #340 posted 05/15/18 5:31pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

PennyPurple said:

UK availability of GCS2000 and 1999: The New Master


This is what I got when I try to post a link to an org thread.


What's the link? Orgnote me.

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #341 posted 05/15/18 5:33pm

poppys

cloveringold85 said:

What's your problem? rolleyes

.

Re-read what you said below and my response -- Did I say anything offensive to you??


I replied to xxXxx with a question. You replied to me with your "answer" to the question I asked her. I did not understand your answer so I asked you what you meant. Then you said you weren't really replying to me, just clarifying?, and told me to Relax. Makes no sense at all.

Reply #342 posted 05/15/18 6:02pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

The Associate Artist Forum Refocus info is almost complete

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
Reply #343 posted 05/15/18 6:07pm

violetcrush

smile smile smile

OldFriends4Sale said:

The Associate Artist Forum Refocus info is almost complete

Reply #344 posted 05/15/18 6:11pm

PennyPurple

benni said:

PennyPurple said:

UK availability of GCS2000 and 1999: The New Master


This is what I got when I try to post a link to an org thread.


Very strange. I think they need to fix this bug!

It's weird.

[Edited 5/15/18 18:13pm]

Reply #345 posted 05/15/18 6:19pm

PennyPurple

OldFriends4Sale said:

The Associate Artist Forum Refocus info is almost complete

Refocus?

Why not just allow 1 thread per associate at a time, for everything, the good, the bad, and the ugly?

Reply #346 posted 05/15/18 6:23pm

FlyOnTheWall

violetcrush said:

benni said:

I think there needs to be another forum: Prince and the Women He Loved

Leave Associated artists & people as "ex-bandmembers, ex-employees, people he collaborated with" instead of "ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."

It is hard to come to this forum to look for information on band members when the number of threads discussing Prince's love life, who Prince loved more, which woman was The One, etc., seems to be the majority of threads over here.

Much of what is talked about in each of the threads involving the exes are the same pictures, the same articles, getting rehashed in each thread as proof to show this is who he loved more.

Personally, I think each of the women brought something to Prince and made him happy while they were together, and none of them were the LOVE of his life. I think they all were loved deeply at various times. I think he continued to care for all of them after the relationships ended, in the same way that we tend to care for those that we were involved with, after the relationships ended. At first, there may be some anger, confusion, and hurt feelings, but as time goes on, those feelings eventually mellow out and we tend to remember the better times more than we do the bad. We don't spend our lives (or at least I hope no one does, because that would be a very painful existence) lamenting the loss of the one that got away and pining after them for the rest of our lives. We may think of them from time to time, but we let them go and we move on with our lives and we meet someone else who we give all of our love to. The whole idea that Prince spent his time pining after this woman or that, that he never moved on from this woman or that one, I don't know how anyone could wish that kind of torment and pain on Prince. And if he were to have done that, that's not love, that's obsession and that is not healthy (nor romantic).

It's like the whole Mani episode, a lot of people blame Mani for the split from Mayte because she moved in on a married man. It takes two to tangle. If Prince were not open to cheating on Mayte, then Mani wouldn't have gotten close to him. Period. He was not innocent in that scenario. And Vanity/Denise was heavy into drugs, and if you've ever been around anyone that uses drugs like that, they have very unhealthy relationships. And Mayte was young when they met and was not fully developed emotionally, nor mentally, and as we all do, we change as we grow up and discover who we want to be as an adult. Those relationships from youth tend to be very emotional, needy, dependent, until we gain the maturity of handling a real relationship and it becomes more refined. None of the relationships Prince had were perfect. Each of them had their issues and Prince wasn't innocent. But people want to romanticize the women that Prince dated, married, had sex with. Prince was someone, when he moved on, he moved on. Too bad his fans couldn't.

Very well said benni. I agree with all of your thoughts here. However, I think because Prince communicated mainly through his music, and often used it to directly speak to those he had relations with - good or bad, many are intrigued by what those relationships were to him, and what his thoughts were about them.

*

You mentioned as an example some feeling that Mayte was "the one" and Manuela is to blame for that breakup. But then you hear a song like "Strange But True" a song he wrote at the end of their marriage which speaks to "the one he gave it to and the hole he's been trying to fill with another has now grown" - and one can't help but be intrigued about who he communicating to in that song.

*

So, it's Prince's fault smile The genius of his music has caused many of his fans/friends to try to put the puzzle pieces together, and also debate where those pieces should fit.

[Edited 5/15/18 17:32pm]

yeahthat

[Edited 5/15/18 18:24pm]

Reply #347 posted 05/15/18 6:33pm

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

violetcrush said:

Very well said benni. I agree with all of your thoughts here. However, I think because Prince communicated mainly through his music, and often used it to directly speak to those he had relations with - good or bad, many are intrigued by what those relationships were to him, and what his thoughts were about them.

*

You mentioned as an example some feeling that Mayte was "the one" and Manuela is to blame for that breakup. But then you hear a song like "Strange But True" a song he wrote at the end of their marriage which speaks to "the one he gave it to and the hole he's been trying to fill with another has now grown" - and one can't help but be intrigued about who he communicating to in that song.

*

So, it's Prince's fault smile The genius of his music has caused many of his fans/friends to try to put the puzzle pieces together, and also debate where those pieces should fit.

[Edited 5/15/18 17:32pm]

yeahthat

[Edited 5/15/18 18:24pm]

I agree.

Reply #348 posted 05/15/18 6:44pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

PennyPurple said:

benni said:


Very strange. I think they need to fix this bug!

It's weird.

[Edited 5/15/18 18:13pm]


See post 307 only.

The links that were not working are now working. Use the above post to access.

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #349 posted 05/15/18 7:17pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The Associate Artist Forum Refocus info is almost complete

Refocus?

Why not just allow 1 thread per associate at a time, for everything, the good, the bad, and the ugly?

Just wait until we present it

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
Reply #350 posted 05/15/18 7:19pm

NotACleverName

violetcrush said:



benni said:


I think there needs to be another forum:  Prince and the Women He Loved Leave Associated artists & people as "ex-bandmembers, ex-employees, people he collaborated with" instead of "ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..." It is hard to come to this forum to look for information on band members when the number of threads discussing Prince's love life, who Prince loved more, which woman was The One, etc., seems to be the majority of threads over here. Much of what is talked about in each of the threads involving the exes are the same pictures, the same articles, getting rehashed in each thread as proof to show this is who he loved more. Personally, I think each of the women brought something to Prince and made him happy while they were together, and none of them were the LOVE of his life.  I think they all were loved deeply at various times.  I think he continued to care for all of them after the relationships ended, in the same way that we tend to care for those that we were involved with, after the relationships ended.  At first, there may be some anger, confusion, and hurt feelings, but as time goes on, those feelings eventually mellow out and we tend to remember the better times more than we do the bad.  We don't spend our lives (or at least I hope no one does, because that would be a very painful existence) lamenting the loss of the one that got away and pining after them for the rest of our lives.  We may think of them from time to time, but we let them go and we move on with our lives and we meet someone else who we give all of our love to.  The whole idea that Prince spent his time pining after this woman or that, that he never moved on from this woman or that one, I don't know how anyone could wish that kind of torment and pain on Prince.  And if he were to have done that, that's not love, that's obsession and that is not healthy (nor romantic). It's like the whole Mani episode, a lot of people blame Mani for the split from Mayte because she moved in on a married man.  It takes two to tangle.  If Prince were not open to cheating on Mayte, then Mani wouldn't have gotten close to him.  Period.  He was not innocent in that scenario.  And Vanity/Denise was heavy into drugs, and if you've ever been around anyone that uses drugs like that, they have very unhealthy relationships.  And Mayte was young when they met and was not fully developed emotionally, nor mentally, and as we all do, we change as we grow up and discover who we want to be as an adult.  Those relationships from youth tend to be very emotional, needy, dependent, until we gain the maturity of handling a real relationship and it becomes more refined.  None of the relationships Prince had were perfect.  Each of them had their issues and Prince wasn't innocent.  But people want to romanticize the women that Prince dated, married, had sex with.  Prince was someone, when he moved on, he moved on. Too bad his fans couldn't.


Very well said benni.  I agree with all of your thoughts here.  However, I think because Prince communicated mainly through his music, and often used it to directly speak to those he had relations with - good or bad, many are intrigued by what those relationships were to him, and what his thoughts were about them. You mentioned as an example some feeling that Mayte was "the one" and Manuela is to blame for that breakup. But then you hear a song like "Strange But True" a song he wrote at the end of their marriage which speaks to "the one he gave it to and the hole he's been trying to fill with another has now grown" - and one can't help but be intrigued about who he communicating to in that song. So, it's Prince's fault  smile  The genius of his music has caused many of his fans/friends to try to put the puzzle pieces together, and also debate where those pieces should fit.[Edited 5/15/18 17:32pm]


Nope. Not intrigued at all.

"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
Reply #351 posted 05/15/18 7:22pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

Refocus?

Why not just allow 1 thread per associate at a time, for everything, the good, the bad, and the ugly?

Just wait until we present it


Ohhh yesssss

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
Reply #352 posted 05/15/18 7:32pm

PennyPurple

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

Refocus?

Why not just allow 1 thread per associate at a time, for everything, the good, the bad, and the ugly?

Just wait until we present it

hmmm evilking faint

Reply #353 posted 05/15/18 7:46pm

benni

luv4u said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Just wait until we present it


Ohhh yesssss



lol - that reminded me of my daughter when she was little:


Reply #354 posted 05/15/18 7:48pm

PennyPurple

benni said:

luv4u said:


Ohhh yesssss



lol - that reminded me of my daughter when she was little:


That's so cute Benni!

Reply #355 posted 05/15/18 7:53pm

disch

yeahthat If someone wants to spend hours and hours mooning over which woman he was sending secret mash notes to in his lyrics, that's their choice; don't put the blame for that on Prince, who never ever said or implied that's what he wanted people to take from his life's work.

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said:

Very well said benni. I agree with all of your thoughts here. However, I think because Prince communicated mainly through his music, and often used it to directly speak to those he had relations with - good or bad, many are intrigued by what those relationships were to him, and what his thoughts were about them. You mentioned as an example some feeling that Mayte was "the one" and Manuela is to blame for that breakup. But then you hear a song like "Strange But True" a song he wrote at the end of their marriage which speaks to "the one he gave it to and the hole he's been trying to fill with another has now grown" - and one can't help but be intrigued about who he communicating to in that song. So, it's Prince's fault smile The genius of his music has caused many of his fans/friends to try to put the puzzle pieces together, and also debate where those pieces should fit.[Edited 5/15/18 17:32pm]

Nope. Not intrigued at all.

[Edited 5/15/18 20:05pm]

Reply #356 posted 05/15/18 8:31pm

pinkcashmere23

disch said:

yeahthat If someone wants to spend hours and hours mooning over which woman he was sending secret mash notes to in his lyrics, that's their choice; don't put the blame for that on Prince, who never ever said or implied that's what he wanted people to take from his life's work.

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said: Nope. Not intrigued at all.

[Edited 5/15/18 20:05pm]

I think that some lyrics weren't meant for the listener but for the one that the song was about.As Prince would sometimes say about a song "She knows." Strange But True does seem to be addressing someone directly and songs like that naturally instill curiosity. I don't do that with every song but some lyrics seem very personal and cause me to wonder who inspired them.

Reply #357 posted 05/16/18 5:56am

violetcrush

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said:

Very well said benni. I agree with all of your thoughts here. However, I think because Prince communicated mainly through his music, and often used it to directly speak to those he had relations with - good or bad, many are intrigued by what those relationships were to him, and what his thoughts were about them. You mentioned as an example some feeling that Mayte was "the one" and Manuela is to blame for that breakup. But then you hear a song like "Strange But True" a song he wrote at the end of their marriage which speaks to "the one he gave it to and the hole he's been trying to fill with another has now grown" - and one can't help but be intrigued about who he communicating to in that song. So, it's Prince's fault smile The genius of his music has caused many of his fans/friends to try to put the puzzle pieces together, and also debate where those pieces should fit.[Edited 5/15/18 17:32pm]

Nope. Not intrigued at all.

Really??? Wow, that is surprising. Especially reading an interview with his Engineer Hans who stated he had to fight to get that song included on the Rave album. Prince thought it was too personal to release. I think it ties in with many of his "love lost" songs throughout the 90's, but of course, just my opinion. I digress..... smile

Reply #358 posted 05/16/18 6:30am

disch

If he made the song public (on a record or in performance) it was meant for the listener. Just like ANY artist who produces art and puts it out to the world.

pinkcashmere23 said:

disch said:

yeahthat If someone wants to spend hours and hours mooning over which woman he was sending secret mash notes to in his lyrics, that's their choice; don't put the blame for that on Prince, who never ever said or implied that's what he wanted people to take from his life's work.

[Edited 5/15/18 20:05pm]

I think that some lyrics weren't meant for the listener but for the one that the song was about.As Prince would sometimes say about a song "She knows." Strange But True does seem to be addressing someone directly and songs like that naturally instill curiosity. I don't do that with every song but some lyrics seem very personal and cause me to wonder who inspired them.

Reply #359 posted 05/16/18 7:03am

pinkcashmere23

disch said:

If he made the song public (on a record or in performance) it was meant for the listener. Just like ANY artist who produces art and puts it out to the world.

pinkcashmere23 said:

I think that some lyrics weren't meant for the listener but for the one that the song was about.As Prince would sometimes say about a song "She knows." Strange But True does seem to be addressing someone directly and songs like that naturally instill curiosity. I don't do that with every song but some lyrics seem very personal and cause me to wonder who inspired them.

Yes, but Prince said himself that some songs were written about someone in particular and he would occasionally reveal that, such as in the online chat when someone asked who Forever In My Life was about and he replied Susannah. I believe I remember him mentioning in the notes for Crystal Ball that the woman who he wrote The Ride for was present at the performance that is on the album and said "She knows." Anna Garcia said that Prince would gift her with songs such as Pink Cashmere and Anna Waiting.Other women have said the same and that he would leave clues in the lyrics so they would know he was referring to them.

Reply #360 posted 05/16/18 7:30am

disch

Yes you've repeated that several times. Like any artist, I'm certain he took inspiration from his life (as well as other things, I'm sure) when he created the lyrical part of his music (the lyrics being just one part of the song -- and as a one-person creator, he spent time on ALL the parts. There's no indication that he elevated lyric-writing above the other things he did when creating the final product).

-

I understand that connecting his lyrics to his personal love/sex life (and discussing what you imagine was going on in his love/sex life) is your primary interest in Prince, and that you interpret his lyrics very literally (i.e., they're about one person only, etc.). Got it. To each their own.

pinkcashmere23 said:

disch said:

If he made the song public (on a record or in performance) it was meant for the listener. Just like ANY artist who produces art and puts it out to the world.

Yes, but Prince said himself that some songs were written about someone in particular and he would occasionally reveal that, such as in the online chat when someone asked who Forever In My Life was about and he replied Susannah. I believe I remember him mentioning in the notes for Crystal Ball that the woman who he wrote The Ride for was present at the performance that is on the album and said "She knows." Anna Garcia said that Prince would gift her with songs such as Pink Cashmere and Anna Waiting.Other women have said the same and that he would leave clues in the lyrics so they would know he was referring to them.

Reply #361 posted 05/16/18 7:40am

poppys

benni said:

luv4u said:


Ohhh yesssss



lol - that reminded me of my daughter when she was little:


Absolutely Adorable! Love the glint in her eye

Reply #362 posted 05/16/18 7:44am

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

disch said:

If he made the song public (on a record or in performance) it was meant for the listener. Just like ANY artist who produces art and puts it out to the world.

Yes, but Prince said himself that some songs were written about someone in particular and he would occasionally reveal that, such as in the online chat when someone asked who Forever In My Life was about and he replied Susannah. I believe I remember him mentioning in the notes for Crystal Ball that the woman who he wrote The Ride for was present at the performance that is on the album and said "She knows." Anna Garcia said that Prince would gift her with songs such as Pink Cashmere and Anna Waiting.Other women have said the same and that he would leave clues in the lyrics so they would know he was referring to them.

I think you are correct. Prince has stated on various occasions, "If you want to know about my life listen to my music - it's all in there" On his first album the lyrics to the song "For You" are:

All this and more is for you

With love, sincerity, and deepest care

My life with you I share

*

He communicated through music - even to those with whom he was personally involved at the time of writing the song. No doubt many of his songs were inspired by, or specific stories about certain people in his life.

Reply #363 posted 05/16/18 7:49am

pinkcashmere23

disch said:

Yes you've repeated that several times. Like any artist, I'm certain he took inspiration from his life (as well as other things, I'm sure) when he created the lyrical part of his music (the lyrics being just one part of the song -- and as a one-person creator, he spent time on ALL the parts. There's no indication that he elevated lyric-writing above the other things he did when creating the final product).

-

I understand that connecting his lyrics to his personal love/sex life (and discussing what you imagine was going on in his love/sex life) is your primary interest in Prince, and that you interpret his lyrics very literally (i.e., they're about one person only, etc.). Got it. To each their own.

pinkcashmere23 said:

I didn't say that the lyrics were my primary focus nor did I say that I was interested in what was going on with his sex life. Some of the songs were written with a a specific person in mind and he himself said that.Songs with deeply personal lyrics such as Empty Room do cause the listener to wonder what inspired him to be driven to write such a song and what his emotional state was at the time.I like to know what was happening in his life during the time of the recording of the songs to have a broader picture.

Reply #364 posted 05/16/18 7:52am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I think you are correct. Prince has stated on various occasions, "If you want to know about my life listen to my music - it's all in there" On his first album the lyrics to the song "For You" are:

All this and more is for you

With love, sincerity, and deepest care

My life with you I share

*

He communicated through music - even to those with whom he was personally involved at the time of writing the song. No doubt many of his songs were inspired by, or specific stories about certain people in his life.

Exactly.

Reply #365 posted 05/16/18 7:58am

violetcrush

disch said:

yeahthat If someone wants to spend hours and hours mooning over which woman he was sending secret mash notes to in his lyrics, that's their choice; don't put the blame for that on Prince, who never ever said or implied that's what he wanted people to take from his life's work.

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said: Nope. Not intrigued at all.

[Edited 5/15/18 20:05pm]

But disch - much of his life's work involved writing and creating music and lyrics which described personal things that were happening in his life at that particular time - and a lot of it was tied to his personal relationships with women, friends, collaborators, business associates, etc. And let's be real for a minute - a big part of his genius, along with huge musical talent, was creating that mystery which sparked the interest of his listeners. And he also created less cryptic songs when he wanted to express a particular message or point of view on certain topics such as politics, race or religion. He knew his more cryptic songs would cause intrigue and interest with his listeners, and I think he was okay with that.

Reply #366 posted 05/16/18 8:10am

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

disch said:

Yes you've repeated that several times. Like any artist, I'm certain he took inspiration from his life (as well as other things, I'm sure) when he created the lyrical part of his music (the lyrics being just one part of the song -- and as a one-person creator, he spent time on ALL the parts. There's no indication that he elevated lyric-writing above the other things he did when creating the final product).

-

I understand that connecting his lyrics to his personal love/sex life (and discussing what you imagine was going on in his love/sex life) is your primary interest in Prince, and that you interpret his lyrics very literally (i.e., they're about one person only, etc.). Got it. To each their own.

I think we might be dealing with a "male vs. female" thought process here biggrin biggrin Not to stereotype, but females tend to gravitate toward the more emotional/deeper side of things.

*

However, I think it's hard to separate the lyrics from the instrumental piece of his music - they work together to create the specific "feel" or message he was trying to convey at that time. I do think it is obvious that on some of his more personal songs, such as Empty Room, the lyrics were an integral part of the song and very important to him. I think the fact that it took him years to pull that amazing song out of the Vault speaks to its significance.

[Edited 5/16/18 8:12am]

Reply #367 posted 05/16/18 8:12am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

disch said:

yeahthat If someone wants to spend hours and hours mooning over which woman he was sending secret mash notes to in his lyrics, that's their choice; don't put the blame for that on Prince, who never ever said or implied that's what he wanted people to take from his life's work.

[Edited 5/15/18 20:05pm]

But disch - much of his life's work involved writing and creating music and lyrics which described personal things that were happening in his life at that particular time - and a lot of it was tied to his personal relationships with women, friends, collaborators, business associates, etc. And let's be real for a minute - a big part of his genius, along with huge musical talent, was creating that mystery which sparked the interest of his listeners. And he also created less cryptic songs when he wanted to express a particular message or point of view on certain topics such as politics, race or religion. He knew his more cryptic songs would cause intrigue and interest with his listeners, and I think he was okay with that.

I agree.

Reply #368 posted 05/16/18 8:37am

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

But disch - much of his life's work involved writing and creating music and lyrics which described personal things that were happening in his life at that particular time - and a lot of it was tied to his personal relationships with women, friends, collaborators, business associates, etc. And let's be real for a minute - a big part of his genius, along with huge musical talent, was creating that mystery which sparked the interest of his listeners. And he also created less cryptic songs when he wanted to express a particular message or point of view on certain topics such as politics, race or religion. He knew his more cryptic songs would cause intrigue and interest with his listeners, and I think he was okay with that.

I agree.

Okay, just putting this out there to support our point - the first verse of Strange But True, recorded 1999:

*

Okay, let me say this quick - before I start to cry
You are the only one that I gave it to, the one I fantasize for
And time away from you has taught me
What I should have known
That this hole I'm trying to fill with another yeah, it's grown
And I got your package
But when I tried to write back I bailed
See, trying to express the future, sometimes language fails
And over this time I've learned
My life force is increased by knowing you
Every door that closes, another one opens

[Chorus]
Strange but true
Strange but true

*

This is an example of one of those songs that focuses much more on the lyric than the instrumentation, and it is clearly a direct communication to someone from his past.

Reply #369 posted 05/16/18 8:42am

violetcrush

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I agree.

Okay, just putting this out there to support our point - the first verse of Strange But True, recorded 1999:

*

Okay, let me say this quick - before I start to cry
You are the only one that I gave it to, the one I fantasize for
And time away from you has taught me
What I should have known
That this hole I'm trying to fill with another yeah, it's grown
And I got your package
But when I tried to write back I bailed
See, trying to express the future, sometimes language fails
And over this time I've learned
My life force is increased by knowing you
Every door that closes, another one opens

[Chorus]
Strange but true
Strange but true

*

This is an example of one of those songs that focuses much more on the lyric than the instrumentation, and it is clearly a direct communication to someone from his past.

One more that is one of my favorites - Tangerine - a simple instrumental but very direct and personal lyric:

Some days I feel tangerine
Some days I feel blue
Some days I just wanna black out

Everything I felt for you
Even though I take your picture
Everywhere I go
I use it for a coaster and drink the overflow
Some days I make a lot of money
And give it all away
To take my mind off the tangerine color
Of your negligee
Beggars can't be choosy
If they don't know how to serve
You got a different phone number
...and a lot of nerve

Somedays I feel tangerine, somedays I miss you too....

[Edited 5/16/18 8:59am]

Reply #370 posted 05/16/18 8:54am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I agree.

Okay, just putting this out there to support our point - the first verse of Strange But True, recorded 1999:

*

Okay, let me say this quick - before I start to cry
You are the only one that I gave it to, the one I fantasize for
And time away from you has taught me
What I should have known
That this hole I'm trying to fill with another yeah, it's grown
And I got your package
But when I tried to write back I bailed
See, trying to express the future, sometimes language fails
And over this time I've learned
My life force is increased by knowing you
Every door that closes, another one opens

[Chorus]
Strange but true
Strange but true

*

This is an example of one of those songs that focuses much more on the lyric than the instrumentation, and it is clearly a direct communication to someone from his past.

Yes.Though I do find it interesting musically,it does have sparse instrumentation. His focus was definitely on the lyrics in that one and I admit wondering to whom he was directing it. The song Ain't Gonna Miss You When You're Gone also seemed to be a message to someone. There's even a line that says, "You probably think this song's about you. I give credit where credit's due but if it wasn't for me,You'd be a who."

Reply #371 posted 05/16/18 9:04am

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Okay, just putting this out there to support our point - the first verse of Strange But True, recorded 1999:

*

Okay, let me say this quick - before I start to cry
You are the only one that I gave it to, the one I fantasize for
And time away from you has taught me
What I should have known
That this hole I'm trying to fill with another yeah, it's grown
And I got your package
But when I tried to write back I bailed
See, trying to express the future, sometimes language fails
And over this time I've learned
My life force is increased by knowing you
Every door that closes, another one opens

[Chorus]
Strange but true
Strange but true

*

This is an example of one of those songs that focuses much more on the lyric than the instrumentation, and it is clearly a direct communication to someone from his past.

Yes.Though I do find it interesting musically,it does have sparse instrumentation. His focus was definitely on the lyrics in that one and I admit wondering to whom he was directing it. The song Ain't Gonna Miss You When You're Gone also seemed to be a message to someone. There's even a line that says, "You probably think this song's about you. I give credit where credit's due but if it wasn't for me,You'd be a who."

I have my thoughts on the subject of Strange But True, but I will keep those to myself for fear of the "onslaught" in this forum biggrin Plus, it's only my speculation anyway.

*

I think the subject of "Ain't Gonna Miss You When You're Gone" seems to be one of his proteges at that time based on the line, "if it wasn't for me, you'd be a "who"....meaning he is the reason she is well known to the public.

Reply #372 posted 05/16/18 9:13am

poppys

And he wasn't the first...

You're So Vain

Carly Simon

You're so vain
You probably think this song is about you
You're so vain,
I'll bet you think this song is about you
Don't you?
Don't you?



Here's another Prince quote about his lyrics:

Prince Hits N Runs N Talks! - Ebony interview Dec 22, 2015

Housequake · Wednesday, December 23, 2015


Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.

If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.

Reply #373 posted 05/16/18 9:16am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes.Though I do find it interesting musically,it does have sparse instrumentation. His focus was definitely on the lyrics in that one and I admit wondering to whom he was directing it. The song Ain't Gonna Miss You When You're Gone also seemed to be a message to someone. There's even a line that says, "You probably think this song's about you. I give credit where credit's due but if it wasn't for me,You'd be a who."

I have my thoughts on the subject of Strange But True, but I will keep those to myself for fear of the "onslaught" in this forum biggrin Plus, it's only my speculation anyway.

*

I think the subject of "Ain't Gonna Miss You When You're Gone" seems to be one of his proteges at that time based on the line, "if it wasn't for me, you'd be a "who"....meaning he is the reason she is well known to the public.

I think Ain't Gonna Miss You might be about Bria and I think a clue is Ledisi singing "Tonight" towards the end since that is the title of one of the songs on Elixer.He also had Rashida play some of Tonight at The Dakota in 2013.

Reply #374 posted 05/16/18 9:23am

FlyOnTheWall

poppys said:

And he wasn't the first...

You're So Vain

Carly Simon

You're so vain
You probably think this song is about you
You're so vain,
I'll bet you think this song is about you
Don't you?
Don't you?



Here's another Prince quote about his lyrics:

Prince Hits N Runs N Talks! - Ebony interview Dec 22, 2015

Housequake · Wednesday, December 23, 2015


Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.

If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.

He also said the following: "I just let people talk." So...he didn't request that people stop speculating...or try to "contain" speculation about his lyrics like it was some infectious disease or epidemic.

Moreover, he didn't sound mad about it. Ergo, if Prince didn't have a problem with fams guessing...and since HE "[didn't] say anything back," why, pray tell, are some here on Prince.org so determined to stymie discussion about his lyrics and their possible inspiration? innocent confuse yoda

Reply #375 posted 05/16/18 9:25am

violetcrush

poppys said:

And he wasn't the first...

You're So Vain

Carly Simon

You're so vain
You probably think this song is about you
You're so vain,
I'll bet you think this song is about you
Don't you?
Don't you?



Here's another Prince quote about his lyrics:

Prince Hits N Runs N Talks! - Ebony interview Dec 22, 2015

Housequake · Wednesday, December 23, 2015


Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.

If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.

Prince was all over the place in this interview - and he also had the article retracted just minutes after it was published. He was making many comments that were not cohesive during their conversation. Also, he really didn't want the public knowing all of the "facts" regarding his personal life or inspiration for his songs, even when expressing them cryptically through his music.

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Susannah Melvoin never stated she thought the song was about her. Per Matt Thorne's book, she said, "well, that was sort of our story, but he was also writing for the script at that time". The opinions about the inspiration for The Beautiful Ones came from many people in his camp at that time - including Susan Rogers, who spent the most amount of time with him while recording. Susannah had a boyfriend when Prince began heavily pursuing her Summer of '83.

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Also, it is well known that Prince hated anyone talking to journalists about his personal life and feelings. Many of his prior collaborators had begun to talk about their experiences with him in the few years prior to this article, including Susannah. They contributed to Biographies and were doing some interviews. No doubt Prince was not happy about Susannah and others discussing parts of their relationship. I'm sure this factored into his rant during this interview.

Reply #376 posted 05/16/18 9:31am

violetcrush

violetcrush said:

poppys said:

And he wasn't the first...

You're So Vain

Carly Simon

You're so vain
You probably think this song is about you
You're so vain,
I'll bet you think this song is about you
Don't you?
Don't you?



Here's another Prince quote about his lyrics:

Prince Hits N Runs N Talks! - Ebony interview Dec 22, 2015

Housequake · Wednesday, December 23, 2015


Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.

If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.

Prince was all over the place in this interview - and he also had the article retracted just minutes after it was published. He was making many comments that were not cohesive during their conversation. Also, he really didn't want the public knowing all of the "facts" regarding his personal life or inspiration for his songs, even when expressing them cryptically through his music.

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Susannah Melvoin never stated she thought the song was about her. Per Matt Thorne's book, she said, "well, that was sort of our story, but he was also writing for the script at that time". The opinions about the inspiration for The Beautiful Ones came from many people in his camp at that time - including Susan Rogers, who spent the most amount of time with him while recording. Susannah had a boyfriend when Prince began heavily pursuing her Summer of '83.

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Also, it is well known that Prince hated anyone talking to journalists about his personal life and feelings. Many of his prior collaborators had begun to talk about their experiences with him in the few years prior to this article, including Susannah. They contributed to Biographies and were doing some interviews. No doubt Prince was not happy about Susannah and others discussing parts of their relationship. I'm sure this factored into his rant during this interview.

Also, Poppys - regarding "You're So Vain" by Carly Simon.....I believe the irony of the song is that the subject IS about the person she is calling vain.

Reply #377 posted 05/16/18 9:33am

poppys


^^ and what is your point?

Reply #378 posted 05/16/18 9:34am

benni

Someone said they thought it was a male vs. female thing on what they focus on when it comes to music. I'm a female and I can say unequivocally, I really don't care which female he might have been singing about in whatever song. To me, as I've said previously, each of the women were important to him at one point in his life and it's natural from an artistic perspective to draw from life when creating art. But as is also true in art, that real life aspect of it may only play a minor part in the original inspiration of the final creation, but the complete piece takes on a life and meaning of its own and the artist lets the listener, or viewer (if it's a painting) relate to it on their own personal level. What I do focus on his music, because there is absolutely no doubt the importance of this subject had on Prince and in his life, is the spiritual messages hidden (and not so hidden) in his music. That part of Prince, that part of his life, that part of his music intrigues me much more than what woman might have inspired this or that song. The spirituality in his music was what pulled me when I found his music again, and it is what has kept me drawn to him. The women came and went, God remained constant.

Prince has surrounded himself with some women that are not class acts. So many diss on various women that were in his life. Others laugh at the antics, or point out the poor behavior, of these same women in threads here on this forum. If it were really about wanting to know which woman each song was written about, it seems the women would be given a little more respect and there would not be so much arguing when one says, "I think this song was about so and so" and someone else is saying, "No, I think it was about this one." It seems more often like it's about, "All of his songs were written for this one person and that he's been pining for this person, and he may have told so and so it was about her, but we all know it was about this one that was his only true love."

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Reply #379 posted 05/16/18 9:35am

benni

poppys said:

benni said:



lol - that reminded me of my daughter when she was little:


Absolutely Adorable! Love the glint in her eye


Thank you! biggrin She is 14 now and has NEVER lost that glint in her eye. She keeps me on my toes, that's for sure!

Reply #380 posted 05/16/18 9:39am

poppys

FlyOnTheWall said:

poppys said:

And he wasn't the first...

You're So Vain

Carly Simon

You're so vain
You probably think this song is about you
You're so vain,
I'll bet you think this song is about you
Don't you?
Don't you?



Here's another Prince quote about his lyrics:

Prince Hits N Runs N Talks! - Ebony interview Dec 22, 2015

Housequake · Wednesday, December 23, 2015


Prince: You ever heard of checking your list to see who’s naughty and who’s nice? I just let people talk. I was talking to somebody about “The Beautiful Ones.” They were speculating as to who I was singing about. But they were completely wrong.

If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie. To then speculate, “Well, he wrote that song about me”? Afterwards you go, “Who are you? Why do you think that you’re part of the script that way? And why would you go around saying stuff like that?”

So we just let people talk and say whatever they want to say. Nine times out of 10, trust me, what’s out there now, I wouldn’t give nary one of these folks the time of day. That’s why I don’t say anything back, because there’s so much that’s wrong.

He also said the following: "I just let people talk." So...he didn't request that people stop speculating...or try to "contain" speculation about his lyrics like it was some infectious disease or epidemic.

Moreover, he didn't sound mad about it. Ergo, if Prince didn't have a problem with fams guessing...and since HE "[didn't] say anything back," why, pray tell, are some here on Prince.org so determined to stymie discussion about his lyrics and their possible inspiration? innocent confuse yoda


Oh - I get it. Violetcrush is another one of your alters? lol The thing is, you can tell, in case you care.

Your bolded paragraph is all made up bullshit. I never said any of that. I think Prince let people talk because anything else got him about as far as the endless loop of talking to you. He wasn't one to waste time.

Reply #381 posted 05/16/18 9:53am

violetcrush

poppys said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

He also said the following: "I just let people talk." So...he didn't request that people stop speculating...or try to "contain" speculation about his lyrics like it was some infectious disease or epidemic.

Moreover, he didn't sound mad about it. Ergo, if Prince didn't have a problem with fams guessing...and since HE "[didn't] say anything back," why, pray tell, are some here on Prince.org so determined to stymie discussion about his lyrics and their possible inspiration? innocent confuse yoda


Oh - I get it. Violetcrush is another one of your alters? lol The thing is, you can tell, in case you care.

Your bolded paragraph is all made up bullshit. I never said any of that. I think Prince let people talk because anything else got him about as far as the endless loop of talking to you. He wasn't one to waste time.

No poppys....Violetcrush is not an "alter" for anyone - I am my own specific person smile

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But, to support my comments regarding Prince's discussions with Journalists and taking them with a "grain of salt"....in a 1990 interview while doing the Nude tour Prince was asked about Kim Basinger and her involvement with the Graffiti Bridge concept. His response was, "well, I really don't know her that well". She had moved to MN and was in a relationship with him for about 6 months in 1989. In 1981 during I believe his first interview in Europe he was asked about his ethnic backround. His response, "my Dad is half black and my Mother is Italian".

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So, there you go...

Reply #382 posted 05/16/18 9:55am

pinkcashmere23

benni said:

Someone said they thought it was a male vs. female thing on what they focus on when it comes to music. I'm a female and I can say unequivocally, I really don't care which female he might have been singing about in whatever song. To me, as I've said previously, each of the women were important to him at one point in his life and it's natural from an artistic perspective to draw from life when creating art. But as is also true in art, that real life aspect of it may only play a minor part in the original inspiration of the final creation, but the complete piece takes on a life and meaning of its own and the artist lets the listener, or viewer (if it's a painting) relate to it on their own personal level. What I do focus on his music, because there is absolutely no doubt the importance of this subject had on Prince and in his life, is the spiritual messages hidden (and not so hidden) in his music. That part of Prince, that part of his life, that part of his music intrigues me much more than what woman might have inspired this or that song. The spirituality in his music was what pulled me when I found his music again, and it is what has kept me drawn to him. The women came and went, God remained constant.

Prince has surrounded himself with some women that are not class acts. So many diss on various women that were in his life. Others laugh at the antics, or point out the poor behavior, of these same women in threads here on this forum. If it were really about wanting to know which woman each song was written about, it seems the women would be given a little more respect and there would not be so much arguing when one says, "I think this song was about so and so" and someone else is saying, "No, I think it was about this one." It seems more often like it's about, "All of his songs were written for this one person and that he's been pining for this person, and he may have told so and so it was about her, but we all know it was about this one that was his only true love."

[Edited 5/16/18 9:36am]

I find Prince to be a fascinating person and I enjoy reading about certain times in his life to get a better understanding of where his mind was when he wrote and recorded the songs. Not just who his love interest was at the time but other factors as well. I do tend to appreciate a song more if I have an understanding of the writing and recording process and what was going on during the creation of it.

Reply #383 posted 05/16/18 9:59am

benni

pinkcashmere23 said:

benni said:

Someone said they thought it was a male vs. female thing on what they focus on when it comes to music. I'm a female and I can say unequivocally, I really don't care which female he might have been singing about in whatever song. To me, as I've said previously, each of the women were important to him at one point in his life and it's natural from an artistic perspective to draw from life when creating art. But as is also true in art, that real life aspect of it may only play a minor part in the original inspiration of the final creation, but the complete piece takes on a life and meaning of its own and the artist lets the listener, or viewer (if it's a painting) relate to it on their own personal level. What I do focus on his music, because there is absolutely no doubt the importance of this subject had on Prince and in his life, is the spiritual messages hidden (and not so hidden) in his music. That part of Prince, that part of his life, that part of his music intrigues me much more than what woman might have inspired this or that song. The spirituality in his music was what pulled me when I found his music again, and it is what has kept me drawn to him. The women came and went, God remained constant.

Prince has surrounded himself with some women that are not class acts. So many diss on various women that were in his life. Others laugh at the antics, or point out the poor behavior, of these same women in threads here on this forum. If it were really about wanting to know which woman each song was written about, it seems the women would be given a little more respect and there would not be so much arguing when one says, "I think this song was about so and so" and someone else is saying, "No, I think it was about this one." It seems more often like it's about, "All of his songs were written for this one person and that he's been pining for this person, and he may have told so and so it was about her, but we all know it was about this one that was his only true love."

[Edited 5/16/18 9:36am]

I find Prince to be a fascinating person and I enjoy reading about certain times in his life to get a better understanding of where his mind was when he wrote and recorded the songs. Not just who his love interest was at the time but other factors as well. I do tend to appreciate a song more if I have an understanding of the writing and recording process and what was going on during the creation of it.


I guess that's where we differ, pink. I appreciate the song, period, and maybe even more so if it speaks to me about something I may be going through, or something I've experienced. That's what makes art so wonderful, when it speaks personally to the individual partaking of the art. I don't need to understand who was around when, or who he was sleeping with at the time, to appreciate the music. I guess I internalize the music and the lyrics and don't need to externalize it to appreciate it.

Reply #384 posted 05/16/18 10:13am

violetcrush

benni said:

Someone said they thought it was a male vs. female thing on what they focus on when it comes to music. I'm a female and I can say unequivocally, I really don't care which female he might have been singing about in whatever song. To me, as I've said previously, each of the women were important to him at one point in his life and it's natural from an artistic perspective to draw from life when creating art. But as is also true in art, that real life aspect of it may only play a minor part in the original inspiration of the final creation, but the complete piece takes on a life and meaning of its own and the artist lets the listener, or viewer (if it's a painting) relate to it on their own personal level. What I do focus on his music, because there is absolutely no doubt the importance of this subject had on Prince and in his life, is the spiritual messages hidden (and not so hidden) in his music. That part of Prince, that part of his life, that part of his music intrigues me much more than what woman might have inspired this or that song. The spirituality in his music was what pulled me when I found his music again, and it is what has kept me drawn to him. The women came and went, God remained constant.

Prince has surrounded himself with some women that are not class acts. So many diss on various women that were in his life. Others laugh at the antics, or point out the poor behavior, of these same women in threads here on this forum. If it were really about wanting to know which woman each song was written about, it seems the women would be given a little more respect and there would not be so much arguing when one says, "I think this song was about so and so" and someone else is saying, "No, I think it was about this one." It seems more often like it's about, "All of his songs were written for this one person and that he's been pining for this person, and he may have told so and so it was about her, but we all know it was about this one that was his only true love."

[Edited 5/16/18 9:36am]

I made the "male vs female" comment, but it was meant in a lighthearted, joking manor. I agree with your points here, but I will say, looking at the overall picture or "painting" of Prince's music from 1979 to 2016, the ideas, statements, style, depth and phrasing of his lyrics show us a unique "painting" of him during specific times in his life. I can listen to songs from different periods and determine the time frame in which they were recorded. I think the love/sex songs were just as prevalent throughout his life as the spiritual songs were. He struggled with, and wrote about both subjects equally throughout his career. The difference is, with his spiritual songs we know where he stood, because they were not cryptic, but his songs about his personal relationships and sex were typically cryptic - no doubt to protect his privacy and the subject's privacy. Therefore, human nature prevails, and many want to know who/what inspired those more cryptic songs.

Reply #385 posted 05/16/18 10:21am

pinkcashmere23

benni said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I find Prince to be a fascinating person and I enjoy reading about certain times in his life to get a better understanding of where his mind was when he wrote and recorded the songs. Not just who his love interest was at the time but other factors as well. I do tend to appreciate a song more if I have an understanding of the writing and recording process and what was going on during the creation of it.


I guess that's where we differ, pink. I appreciate the song, period, and maybe even more so if it speaks to me about something I may be going through, or something I've experienced. That's what makes art so wonderful, when it speaks personally to the individual partaking of the art. I don't need to understand who was around when, or who he was sleeping with at the time, to appreciate the music. I guess I internalize the music and the lyrics and don't need to externalize it to appreciate it.

I agree. There are certain songs and albums that I wanted to learn as much as I possibly could about the creation of though such as Parade. My favorite chapter of the book DMSR was the one that covered the making of the album and the filming of Under The Cherry Moon. I found it very interesting to learn what was happening behind the scenes and I did feel I had a better understanding of the album after reading about it.

Reply #386 posted 05/16/18 10:23am

petalthecat

benni said:

 



pinkcashmere23 said:


 



benni said:


Someone said they thought it was a male vs. female thing on what they focus on when it comes to music.  I'm a female and I can say unequivocally, I really don't care which female he might have been singing about in whatever song.  To me, as I've said previously, each of the women were important to him at one point in his life and it's natural from an artistic perspective to draw from life when creating art.  But as is also true in art, that real life aspect of it may only play a minor part in the original inspiration of the final creation, but the complete piece takes on a life and meaning of its own and the artist lets the listener, or viewer (if it's a painting) relate to it on their own personal level.  What I do focus on his music, because there is absolutely no doubt the importance of this subject had on Prince and in his life, is the spiritual messages hidden (and not so hidden) in his music.  That part of Prince, that part of his life, that part of his music intrigues me much more than what woman might have inspired this or that song.  The spirituality in his music was what pulled me when I found his music again, and it is what has kept me drawn to him.  The women came and went, God remained constant.

Prince has surrounded himself with some women that are not class acts.  So many diss on various women that were in his life.  Others laugh at the antics, or point out the poor behavior, of these same women in threads here on this forum.  If it were really about wanting to know which woman each song was written about, it seems the women would be given a little more respect and there would not be so much arguing when one says, "I think this song was about so and so" and someone else is saying, "No, I think it was about this one."  It seems more often like it's about, "All of his songs were written for this one person and that he's been pining for this person, and he may have told so and so it was about her, but we all know it was about this one that was his only true love."  


[Edited 5/16/18 9:36am]



I find Prince to be a fascinating person and I enjoy reading about certain times in his life to get a better understanding of where his mind was when he wrote and recorded the songs. Not just who his love interest was at the time but other factors as well. I do tend to appreciate a song more if I have an understanding of the writing and recording process and what was going on during the creation of it.




I guess that's where we differ, pink.  I appreciate the song, period, and maybe even more so if it speaks to me about something I may be going through, or something I've experienced.  That's what makes art so wonderful, when it speaks personally to the individual partaking of the art.  I don't need to understand who was around when, or who he was sleeping with at the time, to appreciate the music.  I guess I internalize the music and the lyrics and don't need to externalize it to appreciate it.


I totally agree. P was known to have "stretched the truth" or contradicted himself in interviews, so I take whatever he has said about song writing with a pinch of salt. Songs could have been inspired by someone in particular, either a current relationship or maybe from years before if the song had been shelved and brought out and reworked. Songs could have been about nobody, just like a novelist invents a character and story. Songs could be about more than one person, both Carmen and Mayte lay claim to tmbgiw. They aren't being deceitful,it will be what P told them. For all the above reasons, it's best to just enjoy the song. Speculation is a waste of time, we will never know the truth!
There's always a rainbow 🌈 , at the end of every rain ☔️
Reply #387 posted 05/16/18 10:23am

violetcrush

benni said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I find Prince to be a fascinating person and I enjoy reading about certain times in his life to get a better understanding of where his mind was when he wrote and recorded the songs. Not just who his love interest was at the time but other factors as well. I do tend to appreciate a song more if I have an understanding of the writing and recording process and what was going on during the creation of it.


I guess that's where we differ, pink. I appreciate the song, period, and maybe even more so if it speaks to me about something I may be going through, or something I've experienced. That's what makes art so wonderful, when it speaks personally to the individual partaking of the art. I don't need to understand who was around when, or who he was sleeping with at the time, to appreciate the music. I guess I internalize the music and the lyrics and don't need to externalize it to appreciate it.

I think the interest/fascination with learning the subject of some of his love songs comes from how direct and specific the lyrics often were.

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If you listen to "Violet The Organ Grinder" and watch the video....well, my goodness! He was mad, he was pointing at the camera, and he wanted that girl to know how pissed off he was that she left. Fascinating!! And then I start looking for clues in the lyrics, because they are usually there....

Reply #388 posted 05/16/18 10:29am

FlyOnTheWall

petalthecat said:

benni said:


I guess that's where we differ, pink. I appreciate the song, period, and maybe even more so if it speaks to me about something I may be going through, or something I've experienced. That's what makes art so wonderful, when it speaks personally to the individual partaking of the art. I don't need to understand who was around when, or who he was sleeping with at the time, to appreciate the music. I guess I internalize the music and the lyrics and don't need to externalize it to appreciate it.

I totally agree. P was known to have "stretched the truth" or contradicted himself in interviews, so I take whatever he has said about song writing with a pinch of salt. Songs could have been inspired by someone in particular, either a current relationship or maybe from years before if the song had been shelved and brought out and reworked. Songs could have been about nobody, just like a novelist invents a character and story. Songs could be about more than one person, both Carmen and Mayte lay claim to tmbgiw. They aren't being deceitful,it will be what P told them. For all the above reasons, it's best to just enjoy the song. Speculation is a waste of time, we will never know the truth!

Prince famously opined, "Time is a trick." If one believes in time, however, it is that individual's to do whatever they will. Thus, it is futile to attempt to control how others use their time. Moreover, "waste" is relative. nod

Reply #389 posted 05/16/18 10:32am

violetcrush

petalthecat said:

benni said:


I guess that's where we differ, pink. I appreciate the song, period, and maybe even more so if it speaks to me about something I may be going through, or something I've experienced. That's what makes art so wonderful, when it speaks personally to the individual partaking of the art. I don't need to understand who was around when, or who he was sleeping with at the time, to appreciate the music. I guess I internalize the music and the lyrics and don't need to externalize it to appreciate it.

I totally agree. P was known to have "stretched the truth" or contradicted himself in interviews, so I take whatever he has said about song writing with a pinch of salt. Songs could have been inspired by someone in particular, either a current relationship or maybe from years before if the song had been shelved and brought out and reworked. Songs could have been about nobody, just like a novelist invents a character and story. Songs could be about more than one person, both Carmen and Mayte lay claim to tmbgiw. They aren't being deceitful,it will be what P told them. For all the above reasons, it's best to just enjoy the song. Speculation is a waste of time, we will never know the truth!

Right - even though I believe Prince did write songs for or inspired by specific people throughout his life, the reality is he did not want the facts or details out there. He wanted the mystery. This discussion is exactly what he wanted and expected. I have no doubt that he at least occasionally surfed this site and read the comments/opinions about his songs, personal life, etc. Actually, we know he did, because they found prince.org under his search history on his PC.

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The funny thing about TMBGITW is that the main message of the song is the importance of inner beauty, not outer beauty....

"And if the stars ever fell one by one from the sky
I know Mars could not be, uh, to far behind
'Cause baby, this kind of beauty has got no reason to ever be shy
'Cause honey, this kind of beauty is the kind that comes from inside"

Reply #390 posted 05/16/18 10:34am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

benni said:


I guess that's where we differ, pink. I appreciate the song, period, and maybe even more so if it speaks to me about something I may be going through, or something I've experienced. That's what makes art so wonderful, when it speaks personally to the individual partaking of the art. I don't need to understand who was around when, or who he was sleeping with at the time, to appreciate the music. I guess I internalize the music and the lyrics and don't need to externalize it to appreciate it.

I think the interest/fascination with learning the subject of some of his love songs comes from how direct and specific the lyrics often were.

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If you listen to "Violet The Organ Grinder" and watch the video....well, my goodness! He was mad, he was pointing at the camera, and he wanted that girl to know how pissed off he was that she left. Fascinating!! And then I start looking for clues in the lyrics, because they are usually there....

He did seem quite angry in the video for Violet. At the end of the videos for ANOTHERLOVE and Fury as well. Those songs and videos do seem as though they were aimed at someone specific.

Reply #391 posted 05/16/18 10:41am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

petalthecat said:

benni said: I totally agree. P was known to have "stretched the truth" or contradicted himself in interviews, so I take whatever he has said about song writing with a pinch of salt. Songs could have been inspired by someone in particular, either a current relationship or maybe from years before if the song had been shelved and brought out and reworked. Songs could have been about nobody, just like a novelist invents a character and story. Songs could be about more than one person, both Carmen and Mayte lay claim to tmbgiw. They aren't being deceitful,it will be what P told them. For all the above reasons, it's best to just enjoy the song. Speculation is a waste of time, we will never know the truth!

Right - even though I believe Prince did write songs for or inspired by specific people throughout his life, the reality is he did not want the facts or details out there. He wanted the mystery. This discussion is exactly what he wanted and expected. I have no doubt that he at least occasionally surfed this site and read the comments/opinions about his songs, personal life, etc. Actually, we know he did, because they found prince.org under his search history on his PC.

I agree. I think that he did at times place enough clues in the lyrics though that the person who inspired the song would be aware that he was referring to them. I didn't know that they found the org in his search history. I remember there was speculation about him posting here anonymously several years back.

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The funny thing about TMBGITW is that the main message of the song is the importance of inner beauty, not outer beauty....

"And if the stars ever fell one by one from the sky
I know Mars could not be, uh, to far behind
'Cause baby, this kind of beauty has got no reason to ever be shy
'Cause honey, this kind of beauty is the kind that comes from inside"

Reply #392 posted 05/16/18 10:47am

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Right - even though I believe Prince did write songs for or inspired by specific people throughout his life, the reality is he did not want the facts or details out there. He wanted the mystery. This discussion is exactly what he wanted and expected. I have no doubt that he at least occasionally surfed this site and read the comments/opinions about his songs, personal life, etc. Actually, we know he did, because they found prince.org under his search history on his PC.

I agree. I think that he did at times place enough clues in the lyrics though that the person who inspired the song would be aware that he was referring to them. I didn't know that they found the org in his search history. I remember there was speculation about him posting here anonymously several years back.

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The funny thing about TMBGITW is that the main message of the song is the importance of inner beauty, not outer beauty....

"And if the stars ever fell one by one from the sky
I know Mars could not be, uh, to far behind
'Cause baby, this kind of beauty has got no reason to ever be shy
'Cause honey, this kind of beauty is the kind that comes from inside"

Yes, the information was part of the investigation documents. Investigators were told that he would check this site after shows to look for any comments about the show. But, I'm sure he was reading other things too

Reply #393 posted 05/16/18 10:48am

NotACleverName

violetcrush said:

 



NotACleverName said:


violetcrush said:

Very well said benni.  I agree with all of your thoughts here.  However, I think because Prince communicated mainly through his music, and often used it to directly speak to those he had relations with - good or bad, many are intrigued by what those relationships were to him, and what his thoughts were about them. You mentioned as an example some feeling that Mayte was "the one" and Manuela is to blame for that breakup. But then you hear a song like "Strange But True" a song he wrote at the end of their marriage which speaks to "the one he gave it to and the hole he's been trying to fill with another has now grown" - and one can't help but be intrigued about who he communicating to in that song. So, it's Prince's fault  smile  The genius of his music has caused many of his fans/friends to try to put the puzzle pieces together, and also debate where those pieces should fit.[Edited 5/15/18 17:32pm]


Nope. Not intrigued at all.

Really???  Wow, that is surprising.  Especially reading an interview with his Engineer Hans who stated he had to fight to get that song included on the Rave album.  Prince thought it was too personal to release.  I think it ties in with many of his "love lost" songs throughout the 90's, but of course, just my opinion.  I digress..... smile


I say that because I know exactly where you are directing the conversation (you know this too, violet). There is a reason why I said "Fly has a protege" in another thread.

"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
Reply #394 posted 05/16/18 10:49am

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

I think the interest/fascination with learning the subject of some of his love songs comes from how direct and specific the lyrics often were.

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If you listen to "Violet The Organ Grinder" and watch the video....well, my goodness! He was mad, he was pointing at the camera, and he wanted that girl to know how pissed off he was that she left. Fascinating!! And then I start looking for clues in the lyrics, because they are usually there....

He did seem quite angry in the video for Violet. At the end of the videos for ANOTHERLOVE and Fury as well. Those songs and videos do seem as though they were aimed at someone specific.

Oh, definitely for Violet and Fury. In the Fury video he sticks his tongue out at the camera lol

Reply #395 posted 05/16/18 10:54am

violetcrush

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said:

Really??? Wow, that is surprising. Especially reading an interview with his Engineer Hans who stated he had to fight to get that song included on the Rave album. Prince thought it was too personal to release. I think it ties in with many of his "love lost" songs throughout the 90's, but of course, just my opinion. I digress..... smile

I say that because I know exactly where you are directing the conversation (you know this too, violet). There is a reason why I said "Fly has a protege" in another thread.

No, honestly, not trying to re-direct the conversation. The comment was meant to support the notion that he really did communicate through his songs, and he was quite direct in many of them. Not even going to go there with my thoughts on who, what, why or how....not in this forum!!

Reply #396 posted 05/16/18 10:59am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

He did seem quite angry in the video for Violet. At the end of the videos for ANOTHERLOVE and Fury as well. Those songs and videos do seem as though they were aimed at someone specific.

Oh, definitely for Violet and Fury. In the Fury video he sticks his tongue out at the camera lol

lol That was the part of the video that I had in mind.

Reply #397 posted 05/16/18 11:29am

disch

Ha hilarious!

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Curious to see what the mods have in mind! Interested to see this section return to a robust discussion of the professional work of all the folks prince collaborated with over his long career -- I hope that people who have great insights into various eras' associates haven't all been driven off and will come back to share! I used to learn a lot from those diverse contributors.

poppys said:

benni said:



lol - that reminded me of my daughter when she was little:


Absolutely Adorable! Love the glint in her eye

Reply #398 posted 05/16/18 11:50am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

I'm excited too, and love learning from others

disch said:

Ha hilarious!

-

Curious to see what the mods have in mind! Interested to see this section return to a robust discussion of the professional work of all the folks prince collaborated with over his long career -- I hope that people who have great insights into various eras' associates haven't all been driven off and will come back to share! I used to learn a lot from those diverse contributors.

poppys said:

Absolutely Adorable! Love the glint in her eye

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
Reply #399 posted 05/16/18 11:55am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Just wait until we present it

hmmm evilking faint

lol getting all stressed out lol

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
Reply #400 posted 05/16/18 12:00pm

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

Ha hilarious!

-

Curious to see what the mods have in mind! Interested to see this section return to a robust discussion of the professional work of all the folks prince collaborated with over his long career -- I hope that people who have great insights into various eras' associates haven't all been driven off and will come back to share! I used to learn a lot from those diverse contributors.

poppys said:

Absolutely Adorable! Love the glint in her eye

Presently, there are numerous active threads on former Prince collaborators and their "professional work." Various Orgers initiated the threads. Here are but a few that provide plenty of "insights" and updates. If none of these strike your interest, disch (and this applies to everyone), perhaps you could start a thread or two and help to provide some intellectual stimulation here on Prince.org. Just my twocents .

  1. Actress Damaris Lewis poses at photo call with cast of 'BlacKkKlansman' at the 71st Cannes Film Festival (FlyOnTheWall)
  2. Andre Cymone interview in The Quietus (on Prince and 1969) (PriceAndTheRevolution)
  3. Excellent Susan rogers interview (in depth) (Strawberrylova123)
  4. Celebrate 30 years of Lovesexy at the PRINCE LOVESEXY SYMPOSIUM featuring CAT GLOVER, INGRID CHAVEZ & DR. FINK (Latin)
  5. Article: THE REVOLUTION'S Matt ‘Dr.’ Fink deconstructs Prince’s pioneering use of synthesizers (Latin)
  6. ST. PAUL posted nice recent photos of him with SHELBY J., LIV WARFIELD, MAYTE, SUSANNAH & the NPG HORNZ (Latin)
  7. MonoNeon interview about working with Prince (lrn36)
  8. 80s flashback: "Be Your Man" by Jesse Johnson's Revue (1985) (SoulAlive)
  9. The Time "Cool" (1981) (SoulAlive)
  10. Lenny Says He Has Songs In The Vault (ISaidLifeIsJustAGame)


[Edited 5/16/18 12:03pm]

Reply #401 posted 05/16/18 12:03pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

luv4u said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Just wait until we present it


Ohhh yesssss

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
Reply #402 posted 05/16/18 12:13pm

disch

i'm female.

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I don't there's anything particularly "deep" about interpreting lyrics in a very literal, very simplistic way -- I.e., they're a love note about and directed to one woman, and one woman only, and that woman is one of the girlfriends who's publicly known via gossip coverage -- or in focusing only on lyrics instead taking the time to develop an understanding of compositions as a whole.

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I think we might be dealing with a "male vs. female" thought process here biggrin biggrin Not to stereotype, but females tend to gravitate toward the more emotional/deeper side of things.

*

However, I think it's hard to separate the lyrics from the instrumental piece of his music - they work together to create the specific "feel" or message he was trying to convey at that time. I do think it is obvious that on some of his more personal songs, such as Empty Room, the lyrics were an integral part of the song and very important to him. I think the fact that it took him years to pull that amazing song out of the Vault speaks to its significance.

[Edited 5/16/18 8:12am]

[Edited 5/16/18 12:16pm]

Reply #403 posted 05/16/18 12:29pm

cloveringold85

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

hmmm evilking faint

lol getting all stressed out lol

.

lol falloff

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Reply #404 posted 05/16/18 12:38pm

pinkcashmere23

disch said:

i'm female.

-

I don't there's anything particularly "deep" about interpreting lyrics in a very literal, very simplistic way -- I.e., they're a love note about and directed to one woman, and one woman only, and that woman is one of the girlfriends who's publicly known via gossip coverage -- or in focusing only on lyrics instead taking the time to develop an understanding of compositions as a whole.

violetcrush said:

I think we might be dealing with a "male vs. female" thought process here biggrin biggrin Not to stereotype, but females tend to gravitate toward the more emotional/deeper side of things.

*

However, I think it's hard to separate the lyrics from the instrumental piece of his music - they work together to create the specific "feel" or message he was trying to convey at that time. I do think it is obvious that on some of his more personal songs, such as Empty Room, the lyrics were an integral part of the song and very important to him. I think the fact that it took him years to pull that amazing song out of the Vault speaks to its significance.

[Edited 5/16/18 8:12am]

[Edited 5/16/18 12:16pm]

I agree. I wish he had recorded a newer version of Empty Room and released it on one of the later albums. I think the one with 3rd Eye Girl that he shared was great!

Reply #405 posted 05/16/18 12:46pm

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

disch said:

i'm female.

-

I don't there's anything particularly "deep" about interpreting lyrics in a very literal, very simplistic way -- I.e., they're a love note about and directed to one woman, and one woman only, and that woman is one of the girlfriends who's publicly known via gossip coverage -- or in focusing only on lyrics instead taking the time to develop an understanding of compositions as a whole.

[Edited 5/16/18 12:16pm]

I agree. I wish he had recorded a newer version of Empty Room and released it on one of the later albums. I think the one with 3rd Eye Girl that he shared was great!

I love all of the versions of Empty Room, because it's such a FREAKIN' GREAT song biggrin I love the original because it was recorded in that moment, so the music and vocals speak to exactly how he was feeling at the time it was recorded. However, I also really love the live performance at the 2009 Montreux Jazz Festival - just amazing.

Reply #406 posted 05/16/18 1:03pm

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I agree. I wish he had recorded a newer version of Empty Room and released it on one of the later albums. I think the one with 3rd Eye Girl that he shared was great!

I love all of the versions of Empty Room, because it's such a FREAKIN' GREAT song biggrin I love the original because it was recorded in that moment, so the music and vocals speak to exactly how he was feeling at the time it was recorded. However, I also really love the live performance at the 2009 Montreux Jazz Festival - just amazing.

I do too. The performance at Montreux was fantastic! I also loved the one in Zürich in 2011.

Reply #407 posted 05/16/18 9:38pm

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

i'm female.

-

I don't there's anything particularly "deep" about interpreting lyrics in a very literal, very simplistic way -- I.e., they're a love note about and directed to one woman, and one woman only, and that woman is one of the girlfriends who's publicly known via gossip coverage -- or in focusing only on lyrics instead taking the time to develop an understanding of compositions as a whole.

violetcrush said:

I think we might be dealing with a "male vs. female" thought process here biggrin biggrin Not to stereotype, but females tend to gravitate toward the more emotional/deeper side of things.

*

However, I think it's hard to separate the lyrics from the instrumental piece of his music - they work together to create the specific "feel" or message he was trying to convey at that time. I do think it is obvious that on some of his more personal songs, such as Empty Room, the lyrics were an integral part of the song and very important to him. I think the fact that it took him years to pull that amazing song out of the Vault speaks to its significance.

[Edited 5/16/18 8:12am]

[Edited 5/16/18 12:16pm]

And, who made you the depth police, disch? Your level of condescension is staggering. So, you're saying that one needs to "[understand] compositions as a whole" in order to appreciate Prince's music? What does that even mean? Are you suggesting that only musicians and composers should attempt to interpret Prince's lyrics? Seriously???

There's a name for what you are attempting to do. It's called "shaming." SNIP - OF4$ see your orgnotes

Reply #408 posted 05/16/18 9:52pm

pinkcashmere23

I don't interpret the lyrics in a simplistic way. I said that I enjoy learning what was happening in his life during the writing and recording process of his songs and albums to have a better understanding of his mindset at the time. Some songs however were probably meant as simple love notes to a certain woman.

[Edited 5/17/18 6:40am]

Reply #409 posted 05/18/18 1:53pm

FlyOnTheWall

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Ha hilarious!

-

Curious to see what the mods have in mind! Interested to see this section return to a robust discussion of the professional work of all the folks prince collaborated with over his long career -- I hope that people who have great insights into various eras' associates haven't all been driven off and will come back to share! I used to learn a lot from those diverse contributors.

Presently, there are numerous active threads on former Prince collaborators and their "professional work." Various Orgers initiated the threads. Here are but a few that provide plenty of "insights" and updates. If none of these strike your interest, disch (and this applies to everyone), perhaps you could start a thread or two and help to provide some intellectual stimulation here on Prince.org. Just my twocents .

  1. Actress Damaris Lewis poses at photo call with cast of 'BlacKkKlansman' at the 71st Cannes Film Festival (FlyOnTheWall)
  2. Andre Cymone interview in The Quietus (on Prince and 1969) (PriceAndTheRevolution)
  3. Excellent Susan rogers interview (in depth) (Strawberrylova123)
  4. Celebrate 30 years of Lovesexy at the PRINCE LOVESEXY SYMPOSIUM featuring CAT GLOVER, INGRID CHAVEZ & DR. FINK (Latin)
  5. Article: THE REVOLUTION'S Matt ‘Dr.’ Fink deconstructs Prince’s pioneering use of synthesizers (Latin)
  6. ST. PAUL posted nice recent photos of him with SHELBY J., LIV WARFIELD, MAYTE, SUSANNAH & the NPG HORNZ (Latin)
  7. MonoNeon interview about working with Prince (lrn36)
  8. 80s flashback: "Be Your Man" by Jesse Johnson's Revue (1985) (SoulAlive)
  9. The Time "Cool" (1981) (SoulAlive)
  10. Lenny Says He Has Songs In The Vault (ISaidLifeIsJustAGame)


[Edited 5/16/18 12:03pm]

Correction: The Damaris thread now seems to be gone.


[Edited 5/18/18 13:55pm]

*** MODERATORS NOTE ***
Click on you MY ORG section which shows you all the threads you post in
It is not gone, just move to the appropriate section

Reply #410 posted 05/18/18 2:09pm

Missmusicluver72

THANK YOU! I understand for some it is fun and interesting to talk about all the women in his life whether it is just friendship or relationship/romance, but at times it gets outta hand because it turns into just pure gossip and speculation and then silly little arguments tend to break out that just are not necessary. Some people really get obsessed about it!! Stuff like "who did he love the most", "his soulmate was .....", "he really wrote that song about such and such", etc. Ughhhh, enough already!! It is a little weird too considering how private for the most part he was about all of that. Heck sometimes this part of the forum should have been renamed "Prince's ex and assumed Lovers". There is no need for one person to have 10 separate threads about them. It is fine when discussing work related things but I feel all the romance stuff has run its course.

[Edited 5/18/18 14:15pm]

Love is God, God is love, girls and boys love God above.
RIP Sweet Prince
Reply #411 posted 05/18/18 2:47pm

FlyOnTheWall

Missmusicluver72 said:

THANK YOU! I understand for some it is fun and interesting to talk about all the women in his life whether it is just friendship or relationship/romance, but at times it gets outta hand because it turns into just pure gossip and speculation and then silly little arguments tend to break out that just are not necessary. Some people really get obsessed about it!! Stuff like "who did he love the most", "his soulmate was .....", "he really wrote that song about such and such", etc. Ughhhh, enough already!! It is a little weird too considering how private for the most part he was about all of that. Heck sometimes this part of the forum should have been renamed "Prince's ex and assumed Lovers". There is no need for one person to have 10 separate threads about them. It is fine when discussing work related things but I feel all the romance stuff has run its course.

[Edited 5/18/18 14:15pm]

Personally, I find threads like the "Prince Death Investigation Discussion" nauseating and depressing. I'm also not interested in discussing the "Estate" ad nauseum. Instead of such morbid fare, I prefer Prince discussions about love and happiness, even if people sometimes express differences of opinion.

[Edited 5/18/18 14:48pm]

Reply #412 posted 05/18/18 3:21pm

pinkcashmere23

Missmusicluver72 said:

THANK YOU! I understand for some it is fun and interesting to talk about all the women in his life whether it is just friendship or relationship/romance, but at times it gets outta hand because it turns into just pure gossip and speculation and then silly little arguments tend to break out that just are not necessary. Some people really get obsessed about it!! Stuff like "who did he love the most", "his soulmate was .....", "he really wrote that song about such and such", etc. Ughhhh, enough already!! It is a little weird too considering how private for the most part he was about all of that. Heck sometimes this part of the forum should have been renamed "Prince's ex and assumed Lovers". There is no need for one person to have 10 separate threads about them. It is fine when discussing work related things but I feel all the romance stuff has run its course.

[Edited 5/18/18 14:15pm]

There was a thread that someone dedicated to the album Superconductor but it was removed. The thread about U Will B has also mainly been discussion about the song.

Reply #413 posted 05/18/18 3:23pm

poppys


I got to this thread because I tried to participate in one of the Judith Hill threads (I like her as an artist) and experienced the new Fly and her alters blotting out the sun. No interest whatsoever in her running every "discussion".


[Edited 5/18/18 15:25pm]

Reply #414 posted 05/18/18 3:45pm

FlyOnTheWall

poppys said:


I got to this thread because I tried to participate in one of the Judith Hill threads (I like her as an artist) and experienced the new Fly and her alters blotting out the sun. No interest whatsoever in her running every "discussion".


[Edited 5/18/18 15:25pm]

Do you mean there is a link to this thread on the JH thread to which you are referring???

Reply #415 posted 05/18/18 4:24pm

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Presently, there are numerous active threads on former Prince collaborators and their "professional work." Various Orgers initiated the threads. Here are but a few that provide plenty of "insights" and updates. If none of these strike your interest, disch (and this applies to everyone), perhaps you could start a thread or two and help to provide some intellectual stimulation here on Prince.org. Just my twocents .

  1. Actress Damaris Lewis poses at photo call with cast of 'BlacKkKlansman' at the 71st Cannes Film Festival (FlyOnTheWall)
  2. Andre Cymone interview in The Quietus (on Prince and 1969) (PriceAndTheRevolution)
  3. Excellent Susan rogers interview (in depth) (Strawberrylova123)
  4. Celebrate 30 years of Lovesexy at the PRINCE LOVESEXY SYMPOSIUM featuring CAT GLOVER, INGRID CHAVEZ & DR. FINK (Latin)
  5. Article: THE REVOLUTION'S Matt ‘Dr.’ Fink deconstructs Prince’s pioneering use of synthesizers (Latin)
  6. ST. PAUL posted nice recent photos of him with SHELBY J., LIV WARFIELD, MAYTE, SUSANNAH & the NPG HORNZ (Latin)
  7. MonoNeon interview about working with Prince (lrn36)
  8. 80s flashback: "Be Your Man" by Jesse Johnson's Revue (1985) (SoulAlive)
  9. The Time "Cool" (1981) (SoulAlive)
  10. Lenny Says He Has Songs In The Vault (ISaidLifeIsJustAGame)


[Edited 5/16/18 12:03pm]

Correction: The Damaris thread now seems to be gone.


[Edited 5/18/18 13:55pm]

I see that. I didn't notice any problem with it. confused

Reply #416 posted 05/18/18 6:54pm

disch

It was moved to General Discussion (thanks Google Search Box):

http://prince.org/msg/100/454592

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Correction: The Damaris thread now seems to be gone.


[Edited 5/18/18 13:55pm]

I see that. I didn't notice any problem with it. confused

Reply #417 posted 05/18/18 7:27pm

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

It was moved to General Discussion (thanks Google Search Box):

http://prince.org/msg/100/454592

pinkcashmere23 said:

I see that. I didn't notice any problem with it. confused

It wasn't there earlier. I searched several times today. BTW, Damaris toured with Prince and the NPG. In fact, she was a member of the NPG. She's certainly a Prince Associate. Do you know why a thread about her "professional work" would be moved from the Associated Artists & People forum?

Reply #418 posted 05/18/18 7:54pm

disch

Dunno. I wasn't really following that thread. I just popped into this thread, saw the comment about it, typed "Damaris Lewis" into the Google Search box and that thread was close to the first one that came up.

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

It was moved to General Discussion (thanks Google Search Box):

http://prince.org/msg/100/454592

It wasn't there earlier. I searched several times today. BTW, Damaris toured with Prince and the NPG. In fact, she was a member of the NPG. She's certainly a Prince Associate. Do you know why a thread about her "professional work" would be moved from the Associated Artists & People forum?

Reply #419 posted 05/18/18 8:03pm

FlyOnTheWall

disch said:

Dunno. I wasn't really following that thread. I just popped into this thread, saw the comment about it, typed "Damaris Lewis" into the Google Search box and that thread was close to the first one that came up.

FlyOnTheWall said:

It wasn't there earlier. I searched several times today. BTW, Damaris toured with Prince and the NPG. In fact, she was a member of the NPG. She's certainly a Prince Associate. Do you know why a thread about her "professional work" would be moved from the Associated Artists & People forum?

I just thought you might be willing to put on your "moderator cap," as you've been doing so much lately, and hazard a guess as to why Prince's beloved Damaris Lewis is not good enough for the Associates Forum. BTW, as I said, I did a search several times today, using the full thread name, and nothing popped up. Nothing.

Reply #420 posted 05/18/18 8:22pm

PennyPurple

poppys said:


I got to this thread because I tried to participate in one of the Judith Hill threads (I like her as an artist) and experienced the new Fly and her alters blotting out the sun. No interest whatsoever in her running every "discussion".


[Edited 5/18/18 15:25pm]

It is hard to partake in a thread, when the same 2 people flood it, it just makes me lose interest.

Reply #421 posted 05/18/18 8:54pm

pinkcashmere23

PennyPurple said:

poppys said:


I got to this thread because I tried to participate in one of the Judith Hill threads (I like her as an artist) and experienced the new Fly and her alters blotting out the sun. No interest whatsoever in her running every "discussion".


[Edited 5/18/18 15:25pm]

It is hard to partake in a thread, when the same 2 people flood it, it just makes me lose interest.

Others commented as well.

[Edited 5/18/18 22:44pm]

Reply #422 posted 05/19/18 12:48am

SoulAlive

Missmusicluver72 said:

THANK YOU! I understand for some it is fun and interesting to talk about all the women in his life whether it is just friendship or relationship/romance, but at times it gets outta hand because it turns into just pure gossip and speculation and then silly little arguments tend to break out that just are not necessary. Some people really get obsessed about it!! Stuff like "who did he love the most", "his soulmate was .....", "he really wrote that song about such and such", etc. Ughhhh, enough already!! It is a little weird too considering how private for the most part he was about all of that. Heck sometimes this part of the forum should have been renamed "Prince's ex and assumed Lovers". There is no need for one person to have 10 separate threads about them. It is fine when discussing work related things but I feel all the romance stuff has run its course.

^^THIS nod

Reply #423 posted 05/19/18 5:08am

poppys

PennyPurple said:

poppys said:


I got to this thread because I tried to participate in one of the Judith Hill threads (I like her as an artist) and experienced the new Fly and her alters blotting out the sun. No interest whatsoever in her running every "discussion".



It is hard to partake in a thread, when the same 2 people flood it, it just makes me lose interest.

nod Takes all the fun out of it.

Reply #424 posted 05/19/18 5:22am

FlyOnTheWall

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:


It is hard to partake in a thread, when the same 2 people flood it, it just makes me lose interest.

nod Takes all the fun out of it.

What really "takes the fun out of it" is when people want to control others and their interests. It's disgusting.

Reply #425 posted 05/19/18 5:47am

FlyOnTheWall

FlyOnTheWall said:

disch said:

Dunno. I wasn't really following that thread. I just popped into this thread, saw the comment about it, typed "Damaris Lewis" into the Google Search box and that thread was close to the first one that came up.

I just thought you might be willing to put on your "moderator cap," as you've been doing so much lately, and hazard a guess as to why Prince's beloved Damaris Lewis is not good enough for the Associates Forum. BTW, as I said, I did a search several times today, using the full thread name, and nothing popped up. Nothing.

For some reason, disch, I wasn't able to edit this comment. Thus, I'll just add my additional thoughts below.

So, to recap, even though Damaris, an NPG dancer, was extremely close to Prince...and was NOT romantically involved with him...AND has a major "professional" role in what is starting to look like a blockbuster film...and it might even be her very first film role...given ALL that, a thread about her is deemed unworthy of inclusion in the Prince Associates forum, disch???

Yet, there are multiple Associates threads about people who are marginally associates, at best, like Natalya, Delilah, Van Jones, Kandace Springs, etc. And a largely unknown Swedish-Iranian singer had a featured thread in the actual Prince: Music and More forum...but Damaris freaking Lewis is relegated to the General Discussion forum, disch??? Do you mean to tell me that you have no thoughts on that, when you have been weighing in so heavily recently??

And, the same goes for all the other Orgers on this thread opining about thread content. Why are all of you silent about the Damaris thread? Have you no opinion on that???? Inquiring minds want to know.




[Edited 5/19/18 5:55am]

Reply #426 posted 05/19/18 5:59am

poppys


At this point, your inquiring mind(s) need to find a good mental health physician. Seriously.

Reply #427 posted 05/19/18 6:05am

disch

Fly why in the world are you lashing out at me about this?? I have nothing to do with why this Damaris thread was moved (I hadn’t even read it) and have no interest in arguing one way or another about. All I did was find it in its new location and post that info on this thread to let whoever was interested know that it wasnt deleted but moved elsewhere. Literally just to be helpful.
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Good god I am out of here.

FlyOnTheWall said:

 



FlyOnTheWall said:


 



disch said:


Dunno. I wasn't really following that thread. I just popped into this thread, saw the comment about it, typed "Damaris Lewis" into the Google Search box and that thread was close to the first one that came up.


 



I just thought you might be willing to put on your "moderator cap," as you've been doing so much lately, and hazard a guess as to why Prince's beloved Damaris Lewis is not good enough for the Associates Forum. BTW, as I said, I did a search several times today, using the full thread name, and nothing popped up. Nothing.



For some reason, disch, I wasn't able to edit this comment. Thus, I'll just add my additional thoughts below.

So, to recap, even though Damaris, an NPG dancer, was extremely close to Prince...and was NOT romantically involved with him...AND has a major "professional" role in what is starting to look like a blockbuster film...and it might even be her very first film role...given ALL that, a thread about her is deemed unworthy of inclusion in the Prince Associates forum, disch???

Yet, there are multiple Associates threads about people who are marginally associates, at best, like Natalya, Delilah, Van Jones, Kandace Springs, etc. And a largely unknown Swedish-Iranian singer had a featured thread in the actual Prince: Music and More forum...but Damaris freaking Lewis is relegated to the General Discussion forum, disch??? Do you mean to tell me that you have no thoughts on that, when you have been weighing in so heavily recently??

And, the same goes for all the other Orgers on this thread opining about thread content. Why are all of you silent about the Damaris thread? Have you no opinion on that???? Inquiring minds want to know.





[Edited 5/19/18 5:55am]

Reply #428 posted 05/19/18 6:08am

PennyPurple

FlyOnTheWall said:

poppys said:

nod Takes all the fun out of it.

What really "takes the fun out of it" is when people want to control others and their interests. It's disgusting.

Kinda like you, when on any thread you somehow manage to bring Andy into it. Interested in Judith, BAM, there you are bringing Andy into the Judith thread.

Reply #429 posted 05/19/18 6:10am

FlyOnTheWall

poppys said:


At this point, your inquiring mind(s) need to find a good mental health physician. Seriously.

Just as I thought. Deflection.

Reply #430 posted 05/19/18 6:10am

poppys


Me too. We are enabling her trainwreck.


disch said:

Good god I am out of here.

Reply #431 posted 05/19/18 6:11am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I just thought you might be willing to put on your "moderator cap," as you've been doing so much lately, and hazard a guess as to why Prince's beloved Damaris Lewis is not good enough for the Associates Forum. BTW, as I said, I did a search several times today, using the full thread name, and nothing popped up. Nothing.

For some reason, disch, I wasn't able to edit this comment. Thus, I'll just add my additional thoughts below.

So, to recap, even though Damaris, an NPG dancer, was extremely close to Prince...and was NOT romantically involved with him...AND has a major "professional" role in what is starting to look like a blockbuster film...and it might even be her very first film role...given ALL that, a thread about her is deemed unworthy of inclusion in the Prince Associates forum, disch???

Yet, there are multiple Associates threads about people who are marginally associates, at best, like Natalya, Delilah, Van Jones, Kandace Springs, etc. And a largely unknown Swedish-Iranian singer had a featured thread in the actual Prince: Music and More forum...but Damaris freaking Lewis is relegated to the General Discussion forum, disch??? Do you mean to tell me that you have no thoughts on that, when you have been weighing in so heavily recently??

And, the same goes for all the other Orgers on this thread opining about thread content. Why are all of you silent about the Damaris thread? Have you no opinion on that???? Inquiring minds want to know.




[Edited 5/19/18 5:55am]

With Damaris being such a strong presence in the NPG,I would consider her an associated artist. She danced with them for about four years. Maybe the thread was moved because the focus was more on the movie than Damaris's work with Prince. That's the only reason I can think of.

Reply #432 posted 05/19/18 6:12am

PennyPurple

FlyOnTheWall said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I just thought you might be willing to put on your "moderator cap," as you've been doing so much lately, and hazard a guess as to why Prince's beloved Damaris Lewis is not good enough for the Associates Forum. BTW, as I said, I did a search several times today, using the full thread name, and nothing popped up. Nothing.

For some reason, disch, I wasn't able to edit this comment. Thus, I'll just add my additional thoughts below.

So, to recap, even though Damaris, an NPG dancer, was extremely close to Prince...and was NOT romantically involved with him...AND has a major "professional" role in what is starting to look like a blockbuster film...and it might even be her very first film role...given ALL that, a thread about her is deemed unworthy of inclusion in the Prince Associates forum, disch???

Yet, there are multiple Associates threads about people who are marginally associates, at best, like Natalya, Delilah, Van Jones, Kandace Springs, etc. And a largely unknown Swedish-Iranian singer had a featured thread in the actual Prince: Music and More forum...but Damaris freaking Lewis is relegated to the General Discussion forum, disch??? Do you mean to tell me that you have no thoughts on that, when you have been weighing in so heavily recently??

And, the same goes for all the other Orgers on this thread opining about thread content. Why are all of you silent about the Damaris thread? Have you no opinion on that???? Inquiring minds want to know.




[Edited 5/19/18 5:55am]

Why are you chiding other poster for staying quiet about a thread that was moved? We don't have anything to do about it. Did you talk to a Mod?

My guess on why that thread was moved was because the movie she's in, has nothing to do with Prince. It shouldn't be in assoc forum because it has nothing to do with P.

Reply #433 posted 05/19/18 6:18am

pinkcashmere23

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:


It is hard to partake in a thread, when the same 2 people flood it, it just makes me lose interest.

nod Takes all the fun out of it.

Who were the two dominating the thread? I counted three or four comments that I had made. A few other posters were discussing the movie.

Reply #434 posted 05/19/18 6:22am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

What really "takes the fun out of it" is when people want to control others and their interests. It's disgusting.

Kinda like you, when on any thread you somehow manage to bring Andy into it. Interested in Judith, BAM, there you are bringing Andy into the Judith thread.

Penny, I compared the composition of a photo on one thread to a previous one of Andy. Sue me. And, btw, no one on that thread disagreed with my observation, just my right to make it. Meanwhile, there are at least two or three other Associate threads about that same singer on which I don't even recall commenting. And, when did I mention Andy on a JH thread? Please refresh my memory.

Right now, however, I'm interested in talking about Damaris. Have you no thoughts on her apparent lack of Prince Associate status, Penny?

Reply #435 posted 05/19/18 6:25am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

For some reason, disch, I wasn't able to edit this comment. Thus, I'll just add my additional thoughts below.

So, to recap, even though Damaris, an NPG dancer, was extremely close to Prince...and was NOT romantically involved with him...AND has a major "professional" role in what is starting to look like a blockbuster film...and it might even be her very first film role...given ALL that, a thread about her is deemed unworthy of inclusion in the Prince Associates forum, disch???

Yet, there are multiple Associates threads about people who are marginally associates, at best, like Natalya, Delilah, Van Jones, Kandace Springs, etc. And a largely unknown Swedish-Iranian singer had a featured thread in the actual Prince: Music and More forum...but Damaris freaking Lewis is relegated to the General Discussion forum, disch??? Do you mean to tell me that you have no thoughts on that, when you have been weighing in so heavily recently??

And, the same goes for all the other Orgers on this thread opining about thread content. Why are all of you silent about the Damaris thread? Have you no opinion on that???? Inquiring minds want to know.




[Edited 5/19/18 5:55am]

Why are you chiding other poster for staying quiet about a thread that was moved? We don't have anything to do about it. Did you talk to a Mod?

My guess on why that thread was moved was because the movie she's in, has nothing to do with Prince. It shouldn't be in assoc forum because it has nothing to do with P.

She's still a Prince Associate, yes? Also, Pitch Perfect 3 was not about Prince, but there were several threads about Andy and her major role therein.

Reply #436 posted 05/19/18 6:26am

PennyPurple

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

Kinda like you, when on any thread you somehow manage to bring Andy into it. Interested in Judith, BAM, there you are bringing Andy into the Judith thread.

Penny, I compared the composition of a photo on one thread to a previous one of Andy. Sue me. And, btw, no one on that thread disagreed with my observation, just my right to make it. Meanwhile, there are at least two or three other Associate threads about that same singer on which I don't even recall commenting. And, when did I mention Andy on a JH thread? Please refresh my memory.

Right now, however, I'm interested in talking about Damaris. Have you no thoughts on her apparent lack of Prince Associate status, Penny?

I gave you my thoughts on the Damaris thread. Damaris isn't acting in a Prince Associated film.


Did you ask the Mod why it was moved?


ANd Latin did ask you not to hijack his Judith thread.

Reply #437 posted 05/19/18 6:28am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

Why are you chiding other poster for staying quiet about a thread that was moved? We don't have anything to do about it. Did you talk to a Mod?

My guess on why that thread was moved was because the movie she's in, has nothing to do with Prince. It shouldn't be in assoc forum because it has nothing to do with P.

She's still a Prince Associate, yes? Also, Pitch Perfect 3 was not about Prince, but there were several threads about Andy and her major role therein.

True.

Reply #438 posted 05/19/18 6:29am

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

For some reason, disch, I wasn't able to edit this comment. Thus, I'll just add my additional thoughts below.

So, to recap, even though Damaris, an NPG dancer, was extremely close to Prince...and was NOT romantically involved with him...AND has a major "professional" role in what is starting to look like a blockbuster film...and it might even be her very first film role...given ALL that, a thread about her is deemed unworthy of inclusion in the Prince Associates forum, disch???

Yet, there are multiple Associates threads about people who are marginally associates, at best, like Natalya, Delilah, Van Jones, Kandace Springs, etc. And a largely unknown Swedish-Iranian singer had a featured thread in the actual Prince: Music and More forum...but Damaris freaking Lewis is relegated to the General Discussion forum, disch??? Do you mean to tell me that you have no thoughts on that, when you have been weighing in so heavily recently??

And, the same goes for all the other Orgers on this thread opining about thread content. Why are all of you silent about the Damaris thread? Have you no opinion on that???? Inquiring minds want to know.




[Edited 5/19/18 5:55am]

With Damaris being such a strong presence in the NPG,I would consider her an associated artist. She danced with them for about four years. Maybe the thread was moved because the focus was more on the movie than Damaris's work with Prince. That's the only reason I can think of.

The same thing could be said about Pitch Perfect 3 threads, no?

Reply #439 posted 05/19/18 6:30am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

With Damaris being such a strong presence in the NPG,I would consider her an associated artist. She danced with them for about four years. Maybe the thread was moved because the focus was more on the movie than Damaris's work with Prince. That's the only reason I can think of.

The same thing could be said about Pitch Perfect 3 threads, no?

I thought about that too.

Reply #440 posted 05/19/18 6:31am

PennyPurple

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

With Damaris being such a strong presence in the NPG,I would consider her an associated artist. She danced with them for about four years. Maybe the thread was moved because the focus was more on the movie than Damaris's work with Prince. That's the only reason I can think of.

The same thing could be said about Pitch Perfect 3 threads, no?

I don't know fly, ask the mods. They've already stated that there is going to be a change to the assoc forum, maybe the change is starting to happen.

Reply #441 posted 05/19/18 6:33am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Penny, I compared the composition of a photo on one thread to a previous one of Andy. Sue me. And, btw, no one on that thread disagreed with my observation, just my right to make it. Meanwhile, there are at least two or three other Associate threads about that same singer on which I don't even recall commenting. And, when did I mention Andy on a JH thread? Please refresh my memory.

Right now, however, I'm interested in talking about Damaris. Have you no thoughts on her apparent lack of Prince Associate status, Penny?

I gave you my thoughts on the Damaris thread. Damaris isn't acting in a Prince Associated film.


Did you ask the Mod why it was moved?


ANd Latin did ask you not to hijack his Judith thread.

You claimed that I mentioned Andy on a Judith thread, which I did not. In other words, you were wrong. And, yes, Latin made those stunning comments; however, I was only clarifying that three Prince insiders told the Carver County authorities that Judith Hill was not romantically involved with "her beloved Prince," thread title notwithstanding.

Reply #442 posted 05/19/18 6:39am

PennyPurple

OMG fly, do you not realize that the changes that are coming to the assoc forum is partly because of you and pinks desire to flood every thread? That's probably why your other thread was moved to general discussion. What did the mod tell you?

Reply #443 posted 05/19/18 6:44am

pinkcashmere23

PennyPurple said:

OMG fly, do you not realize that the changes that are coming to the assoc forum is partly because of you and pinks desire to flood every thread? That's probably why your other thread was moved to general discussion. What did the mod tell you?

Again,others were welcome to comment and some did discuss the movie.

Reply #444 posted 05/19/18 7:04am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

OMG fly, do you not realize that the changes that are coming to the assoc forum is partly because of you and pinks desire to flood every thread? That's probably why your other thread was moved to general discussion. What did the mod tell you?

Pink comments on just about every thread on the Associated artists' forum. Why is it only a problem for you on Andy Allo threads, Penny? BTW, since you continue to ask, I, the OP, have heard not a word from the mods about the threads' removal, to begin with, nor its later move to General Discussion.




[Edited 5/19/18 7:29am]

Reply #445 posted 05/19/18 7:19am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

OMG fly, do you not realize that the changes that are coming to the assoc forum is partly because of you and pinks desire to flood every thread? That's probably why your other thread was moved to general discussion. What did the mod tell you?

Pink comments on just about every thread on the Associated artists' forum. Why is it only a problem for you on Andy Allo threads, Penny? BTW, since you continue to ask, I have heard not a word from the mods about the threads' removal, to begin with, nor its later move to General Discussion.

[Edited 5/19/18 7:12am]

Thank you. I just looked at the thread and it was mainly discussion about the movie but as you said,articles and discussion about Andy's involvement with PP3 were permitted in Associated Artists so I don't know. confused

Reply #446 posted 05/19/18 7:27am

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Pink comments on just about every thread on the Associated artists' forum. Why is it only a problem for you on Andy Allo threads, Penny? BTW, since you continue to ask, I have heard not a word from the mods about the threads' removal, to begin with, nor its later move to General Discussion.

[Edited 5/19/18 7:12am]

Thank you. I just looked at the thread and it was mainly discussion about the movie but as you said,articles and discussion about Andy's involvement with PP3 were permitted in Associated Artists so I don't know. confused

Also, the "Associated artists & people" forum is described in this way: "Talk about ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..." The "General Discussion" forum is intended for "Topics that don't fit into one of the other forums, such as current affairs, sports, etc."

Reply #447 posted 05/19/18 7:46am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Thank you. I just looked at the thread and it was mainly discussion about the movie but as you said,articles and discussion about Andy's involvement with PP3 were permitted in Associated Artists so I don't know. confused

Also, the "Associated artists & people" forum is described in this way: "Talk about ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..." The "General Discussion" forum is intended for "Topics that don't fit into one of the other forums, such as current affairs, sports, etc."


Yep. Good point.

[Edited 5/19/18 7:47am]

Reply #448 posted 05/19/18 8:12am

PennyPurple

FlyOnTheWall said:

PennyPurple said:

OMG fly, do you not realize that the changes that are coming to the assoc forum is partly because of you and pinks desire to flood every thread? That's probably why your other thread was moved to general discussion. What did the mod tell you?

Pink comments on just about every thread on the Associated artists' forum. Why is it only a problem for you on Andy Allo threads, Penny? BTW, since you continue to ask, I, the OP, have heard not a word from the mods about the threads' removal, to begin with, nor its later move to General Discussion.




[Edited 5/19/18 7:29am]

What don't you understand? It's every thread in the assoc artists forum. Flood, Flood, Flood.

Reply #449 posted 05/19/18 8:23am

PennyPurple

poppys said:


Me too. We are enabling her trainwreck.


disch said:

Good god I am out of here.

They've already wrecked the train.

Reply #450 posted 05/19/18 8:31am

pinkcashmere23

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Pink comments on just about every thread on the Associated artists' forum. Why is it only a problem for you on Andy Allo threads, Penny? BTW, since you continue to ask, I, the OP, have heard not a word from the mods about the threads' removal, to begin with, nor its later move to General Discussion.




[Edited 5/19/18 7:29am]

What don't you understand? It's every thread in the assoc artists forum. Flood, Flood, Flood.

So you're saying that we should just ignore the threads and not comment? Nothing is stopping others from joining in.Other than at times conversing with someone,I typically make a single comment and move on.

[Edited 5/19/18 8:49am]

Reply #451 posted 05/19/18 8:35am

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Pink comments on just about every thread on the Associated artists' forum. Why is it only a problem for you on Andy Allo threads, Penny? BTW, since you continue to ask, I, the OP, have heard not a word from the mods about the threads' removal, to begin with, nor its later move to General Discussion.




[Edited 5/19/18 7:29am]

What don't you understand? It's every thread in the assoc artists forum. Flood, Flood, Flood.

Penny, you continue to stun me with your recent comments directed toward me. And, btw, you're wrong yet again: The number of threads that I comment on, in any of the forums, is extremely limited. (And, I'm only responding to you now to defend myself against your lies.) But, even if I commented on every. single. thread., what would be wrong with that?

Reply #452 posted 05/19/18 7:24pm

FlyOnTheWall

SoulAlive said:

Let's get some more threads about Morris Day and The Time,Mazarati,Jesse Johnson,etc......where their music is being discussed and analyzed! Isn't that better than focusing on all the women that Prince slept with? hmmm


While looking back at some old threads, SoulAlive, I happened to run across this thread, "Apollonia's FB post...very interesting." Based on your comments on this thread, I was stunned to see you speculating about Prince, Apples, and Vanity and their relationships (Replies 144-146). "So, let me get this straight"--to borrow your words (in red)--it's okay for you to do it, but not others?? Seems like you were having a good 'ole time, too. nod #Irony #Hypocrisy

http://prince.org/msg/5/452163?pr

Reply #144 posted 02/19/18 1:36pm


SoulAlive said:


cloveringold85 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

She met Prince when she auditioned for the Purple Rain part at an open call in 1984. “I had his 1999 tape and thought it would be fun to work with him,” she says. But Prince, who had recently split from his previous protégée Vanity, “was looking for not just a leading lady in a film but a leading lady in his life.” Although she insists she and Prince “never had a relationship,” Apollonia admits she acquiesced to his demands that she break up with her then-boyfriend, Van Halen lead singer David Lee Roth. “Prince didn’t want me to be known for dating someone famous,” she says. “He made me promise I wouldn’t date anyone publicly during promotion of the film.”

.

David Lee Roth?? eek

hmmm so let me get this straight...Apollonia was married during that whole time (1980-1985) but she was also "dating" David Lee Roth in 1984 nuts she and Vanity have alot more in common than we realize,lol

Reply #145 posted 02/19/18 1:43pm

SoulAlive

ApolloniaandformerfirsthubbyGregPatschul.jpg



Reply #146 posted 02/19/18 1:46pm

SoulAlive

Apollonia with her second husband Kevin Bernhardt,an actor on General Hopsital

Apolloniaandherex-husbandKevin.jpg

[Edited 5/19/18 19:37pm]

Reply #453 posted 05/20/18 7:56am

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

PennyPurple said:

What don't you understand? It's every thread in the assoc artists forum. Flood, Flood, Flood.

So you're saying that we should just ignore the threads and not comment? Nothing is stopping others from joining in.Other than at times conversing with someone,I typically make a single comment and move on.

[Edited 5/19/18 8:49am]

yeahthat

Reply #454 posted 05/20/18 5:45pm

FlyOnTheWall

I also found this interesting thread on which several of the Orgers on this thread opining about how problematic are "all these women" and relationship threads were engaged in a discussion on a thread about one of JJ's social media posts called, "Jill Jones taking aim again." Personally, I am not judging the tone of the discussion; however, based on some of the comments on this thread, I am baffled why they are now suddenly SO troubled by "all these women threads" that devolve into bickering.

I'm still working my way through the eight pages of the thread, but, already, I find some of the language shocking and, arguably, debasing to both Jill AND Prince, like when they mentioned "sluts" "f**king in bathrooms" and the like. Things got pretty heated...and FAST. See for yourself.

I have copied and pasted Replies# 39-54. And, again, I'm not judging. I'm just saying...people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. #Irony #PotsMeetKettles

http://prince.org/msg/5/451169?&pg=8


Reply #39 posted 01/16/18 11:18am

malbena¤

Did Jill get to reflect on her role in Graffiti Bridge? That was rather objectify. And now, she is judging others for what she has done herself. Get a life!

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.

Reply #40 posted 01/16/18 11:18am

OldFriends4Sal
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jungleluv said:

I was expecting Laura Richardson to be all over this thread. She is usually so quick to defend Jill.

she thinks JJ is slut and cannot sing

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #41 posted 01/16/18 11:22am

purplefam99

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

well what is she selling. this person is in the business of selling music right. seems she is using

other tools to get you to the purchase counter. Her right to do so and others right to point out

it's possible consequences. Every mouth has a right to speak and everyone has free will.

Just an observation that i have had recently. I see musicians taking more care to put their instruments

away in there cases after use, away from humidity and heat, than i see dancers taking the care with their

instruments after a grueling dance class. they aren't wrapping it up and shielding it from the harsh

effects of the environment post class. Why would they not see their bodies as instruments too and care for them the same. i don't get leaving the dance/yoga studio half naked. thx , just My opinion.

I never said that some women don't use thise tools to sell their stuff, I was talking about the judgement from people like Jill who claim to be "real" feminists, when they're judgement about other women's decisions is just as bad as the ones from the society and I still believe that women never intend to be viewed or degrade themselves to objects just because they make album covers like this we're talking about.

Yes, some use these tools to sell stuff, but doesn't give anyone the right to view them just as objects or call them sluts for doing it.

[Edited 1/16/18 11:02am]

i think ideally it does not give anyone the right. and when some people are no longer a visually motivated creatures then perhaps sitting with ones legs astride won't have a consequences

that reach far beyond this one person's choice. sorry Thewhitedude i am still stuck in my

annual listen to Dr MLK's dream speech, we all have a duty to each other. Especially to me

when we have been granted the good luck to be able to reach and touch so many. i am grateful for

for those that speak up and out, it isn't ever easy to do so. If this young girl's pose is meant to

empower young girls, then it is lost on me, but i will defend her right to pose but will also remind her of the consequences of her choice beyond the blanket right.

but we can say everyone is just beholden to their own choices, but that picture looks bleek and

lonely to me, i want community so i am willing to make choices that empower that community

than just empowering myself.

Reply #42 posted 01/16/18 11:23am

PennyPurple¤

43820.ava

OldFriends4Sale said:

jungleluv said:

I was expecting Laura Richardson to be all over this thread. She is usually so quick to defend Jill.

she thinks JJ is slut and cannot sing

faint

Reply #43 posted 01/16/18 11:23am

purplefam99

jungleluv said:

I was expecting Laura Richardson to be all over this thread. She is usually so quick to defend Jill.

see how the differing of opinion is missed when it is gone. LR hope you are well.

Reply #44 posted 01/16/18 11:24am

ThatWhiteDude¤

purplefam99 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I never said that some women don't use thise tools to sell their stuff, I was talking about the judgement from people like Jill who claim to be "real" feminists, when they're judgement about other women's decisions is just as bad as the ones from the society and I still believe that women never intend to be viewed or degrade themselves to objects just because they make album covers like this we're talking about.

Yes, some use these tools to sell stuff, but doesn't give anyone the right to view them just as objects or call them sluts for doing it.

[Edited 1/16/18 11:02am]

i think ideally it does not give anyone the right. and when some people are no longer a visually motivated creatures then perhaps sitting with ones legs astride won't have a consequences

that reach far beyond this one person's choice. sorry Thewhitedude i am still stuck in my

annual listen to Dr MLK's dream speech, we all have a duty to each other. Especially to me

when we have been granted the good luck to be able to reach and touch so many. i am grateful for

for those that speak up and out, it isn't ever easy to do so. If this young girl's pose is meant to

empower young girls, then it is lost on me, but i will defend her right to pose but will also remind her of the consequences of her choice beyond the blanket right.

but we can say everyone is just beholden to their own choices, but that picture looks bleek and

lonely to me, i want community so i am willing to make choices that empower that community

than just empowering myself.

It can empower young women to do whatever they want to without being called sluts for doing it.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."

Reply #45 posted 01/16/18 11:25am



purplefam99

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

i think ideally it does not give anyone the right. and when some people are no longer a visually motivated creatures then perhaps sitting with ones legs astride won't have a consequences

that reach far beyond this one person's choice. sorry Thewhitedude i am still stuck in my

annual listen to Dr MLK's dream speech, we all have a duty to each other. Especially to me

when we have been granted the good luck to be able to reach and touch so many. i am grateful for

for those that speak up and out, it isn't ever easy to do so. If this young girl's pose is meant to

empower young girls, then it is lost on me, but i will defend her right to pose but will also remind her of the consequences of her choice beyond the blanket right.

but we can say everyone is just beholden to their own choices, but that picture looks bleek and

lonely to me, i want community so i am willing to make choices that empower that community

than just empowering myself.

It can empower young women to do whatever they want to without being called sluts for doing it.

ok


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PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

she thinks JJ is slut and cannot sing

faint

you read it, I reposted in a different debate, what Laura thought of her

a slut for letting Prince have sex with her in bathrooms and what not

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m



Reply #47 posted 01/16/18 11:42am


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OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

faint

you read it, I reposted in a different debate, what Laura thought of her

a slut for letting Prince have sex with her in bathrooms and what not

That is true.

Reply #48 posted 01/16/18 11:52am

poppys

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

you read it, I reposted in a different debate, what Laura thought of her

a slut for letting Prince have sex with her in bathrooms and what not

That is true.

That makes Prince a slut too - so it's all good!

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poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

That is true.

That makes Prince a slut too - so it's all good!

get off the offense, PennyPurple isn't saying Jill is a slut, she is saying 'that is true' that Laurarichardson did say that about JJ

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m

Reply #50 posted 01/16/18 12:05pm

poppys

OldFriends4Sale said:

poppys said:

That makes Prince a slut too - so it's all good!

get off the offense, PennyPurple isn't saying Jill is a slut, she is saying 'that is true' that Laurarichardson did say that about JJ

I was not attacking Penny.



Reply #51 posted 01/16/18 12:08pm

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poppys said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

get off the offense, PennyPurple isn't saying Jill is a slut, she is saying 'that is true' that Laurarichardson did say that about JJ

I was not attacking Penny.

But you've been attacking Prince because you assumed Penny called Jill a slut

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."



Reply #52 posted 01/16/18 12:14pm

poppys

ThatWhiteDude said:

poppys said:

I was not attacking Penny.

But you've been attacking Prince because you assumed Penny called Jill a slut

What are you talking about???

I also remember what Laura said and I'm not assuming anything about Penny. I'm pointing out whoever's in the bathroom fucking a slut, that makes them one too, no matter what sex they are. Personally, I could care less who gets off in any bathroom, including Prince. Good for them! I was half-joking, dang. icon_lol.gif


[Edited 1/16/18 12:22pm]


Reply #53 posted 01/16/18 12:16pm

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Sorry, I was agreeing that LR did say that.

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poppys said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

get off the offense, PennyPurple isn't saying Jill is a slut, she is saying 'that is true' that Laurarichardson did say that about JJ

I was not attacking Penny.

you assumed she was calling JJ a slut, which is why your retort said "well Prince is too then"

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m

[Edited 5/20/18 18:17pm]

Reply #455 posted 05/20/18 6:35pm

PennyPurple

OMG Fly. You have serious mental issues.


The topic was JJ, notice how it stayed on topic?


And it's not just 2 posters, posting NON-STOP like it is with you and pink. What you quoted was at least 7-8 DIFFERENT posters.


Nobody is bitching about the bickering. The problem is how YOU & PINK flood the threads and any thread that isn't about AA is turned into an AA thread by the 2 of you.


Don't worry, changes are a comin, any day now.



Reply #456 posted 05/20/18 6:47pm

pinkcashmere23

PennyPurple said:

OMG Fly. You have serious mental issues.


The topic was JJ, notice how it stayed on topic?


And it's not just 2 posters, posting NON-STOP like it is with you and pink. What you quoted was at least 7-8 DIFFERENT posters.


Nobody is bitching about the bickering. The problem is how YOU & PINK flood the threads and any thread that isn't about AA is turned into an AA thread by the 2 of you.


Don't worry, changes are a comin, any day now.


Show me one recent thread that wasn't already about her where I have mentioned Andy. I did however accidentally end up turning the thread about U Will B into a discussion about Rita Ora and on the thread about IIWYGF being for Vanity,I ended up discussing Susannah and her relationship with Prince. I comment on the threads that interest me dig?

Reply #457 posted 05/20/18 7:06pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Uh, no one said we cannot talk about these things. You seem to be really defensive and not comprehending. Creating multiple threads on the same person and turning threads that did not start out about someone ie Andy into another Andy Allo debate is something totally different.

FlyOnTheWall said:

I also found this interesting thread on which several of the Orgers on this thread opining about how problematic are "all these women" and relationship threads were engaged in a discussion on a thread about one of JJ's social media posts called, "Jill Jones taking aim again." Personally, I am not judging the tone of the discussion; however, based on some of the comments on this thread, I am baffled why they are now suddenly SO troubled by "all these women threads" that devolve into bickering.

I'm still working my way through the eight pages of the thread, but, already, I find some of the language shocking and, arguably, debasing to both Jill AND Prince, like when they mentioned "sluts" "f**king in bathrooms" and the like. Things got pretty heated...and FAST. See for yourself.

I have copied and pasted Replies# 39-54. And, again, I'm not judging. I'm just saying...people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. #Irony #PotsMeetKettles

http://prince.org/msg/5/451169?&pg=8


Reply #39 posted 01/16/18 11:18am

malbena¤

Did Jill get to reflect on her role in Graffiti Bridge? That was rather objectify. And now, she is judging others for what she has done herself. Get a life!

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.

Reply #40 posted 01/16/18 11:18am

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jungleluv said:

I was expecting Laura Richardson to be all over this thread. She is usually so quick to defend Jill.

she thinks JJ is slut and cannot sing

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m



Reply #41 posted 01/16/18 11:22am

purplefam99

I was not attacking Penny.

you assumed she was calling JJ a slut, which is why your retort said "well Prince is too then"

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m

[Edited 5/20/18 18:17pm]

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
Reply #458 posted 05/20/18 7:34pm

FlyOnTheWall

PennyPurple said:

OMG Fly. You have serious mental issues.


The topic was JJ, notice how it stayed on topic?


And it's not just 2 posters, posting NON-STOP like it is with you and pink. What you quoted was at least 7-8 DIFFERENT posters.


Nobody is bitching about the bickering. The problem is how YOU & PINK flood the threads and any thread that isn't about AA is turned into an AA thread by the 2 of you.


Don't worry, changes are a comin, any day now.



Penny, which threads have I "flooded"? And, is there a limit on the number of times that an Orger can respond to the same thread? If so, I was not aware of it, so, please share. Also, you are exaggerating once again when you say that "any thread that isn't about AA is turned into an AA thread by the 2 of you" (and that is putting it mildly). In fact, truth be told, you are flat-out lying.

In all the time I've been a member of Prince.org, I might have mentioned Andy once or twice on a thread about which she was not the subject. In fact, the only time I recall is when I posted a picture of her with similar composition to one of another singer posted recently on another thread here on the Org. I made that ONE post, after which, multiple Orgers jumped all over me and derailed the thread. I simply defended myself against the onslaught; however, if they had simply agreed or disagreed with my observation...or, here's a thought, just ignored it, that would have been the end of the discussion about Andy.

With regard to this claim of yours that, "Nobody is bitching about the bickering," once again you are wrong. Here are a few examples. In the OP, OF4S said, "...but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth."

In Reply #9, disch said:

"Just create a new section entirely called "Prince's Lovers" where ostensibly adult people who have a LOT of time on their hands can get in touch with their inner seventh grader by bickering over who was prince's "soul mate," the hidden message of a tweet in 2014, the secret code in the shirt so-and-so was wearing on that one day 5 years ago, etc."


In Reply#28, SoulAlive said:

:clap:yeah, I'm tired of all these gossipy "women threads".Let's focus more on the music by associated artists.

In Reply#30, SoulAlive said:

Let's get some more threads about Morris Day and The Time,Mazarati,Jesse Johnson,etc......where their music is being discussed and analyzed! Isn't that better than focusing on all the women that Prince slept with? hmmm

In Reply#36, SoulAlive said:

This forum is a mess.There is too much focus on all the women that Prince slept with....too much tabloid garbage.

In Reply#51, babynoz said:

The only other time I saw this many damn catfights was when the biggest pimp in our old neighborhood died and his hoes were ALL trying to out-do each other at the funeral. True Story.


And, these are just a FEW examples from the first two pages. So, if you still don't get it, Penny, my point is that some people who are on this thread complaining about thread quality, too much about Prince's love life, and bickering, have been known to engage in the very. same. behavior about which they are complaining. That's all I'm saying. How does that translate to me having "serious mental issues"?

Reply #459 posted 05/20/18 8:37pm

pinkcashmere23

PennyPurple said:

OMG Fly. You have serious mental issues.


The topic was JJ, notice how it stayed on topic?


And it's not just 2 posters, posting NON-STOP like it is with you and pink. What you quoted was at least 7-8 DIFFERENT posters.


Nobody is bitching about the bickering. The problem is how YOU & PINK flood the threads and any thread that isn't about AA is turned into an AA thread by the 2 of you.


Don't worry, changes are a comin, any day now.


I don't see anything wrong with two people discussing a topic of interest and engaging in conversation. It is a discussion board. It occurs often on the board with other posters as well.

Reply #460 posted 05/20/18 8:49pm

SoulAlive

LOL....the difference is,I don't post ten thousand threads about it lol I made my comment on that thread and left it at that.My most recent threads in this forum were about Jesse Johnson's "Be Your Man" single,The Time headlining an upcoming Funk Fest show,and The Time's "Cool" single....ya know,topics that pertain to the actual music that these artists made.Not surprisingly,these threads were soon buried by all the gossipy-type threads rolleyes

FlyOnTheWall said:

SoulAlive said:

Let's get some more threads about Morris Day and The Time,Mazarati,Jesse Johnson,etc......where their music is being discussed and analyzed! Isn't that better than focusing on all the women that Prince slept with? hmmm


While looking back at some old threads, SoulAlive, I happened to run across this thread, "Apollonia's FB post...very interesting." Based on your comments on this thread, I was stunned to see you speculating about Prince, Apples, and Vanity and their relationships (Replies 144-146). "So, let me get this straight"--to borrow your words (in red)--it's okay for you to do it, but not others?? Seems like you were having a good 'ole time, too. nod #Irony #Hypocrisy

http://prince.org/msg/5/452163?pr

Reply #461 posted 05/20/18 8:53pm

PennyPurple

OMG, I'm getting so tired of Fly calling me a liar. She evidently doesn't comprehend what is being said, over and over again.


And PINK. Why are you writing your comments inside my quotes? You know darn good and well how quotes work. So knock it off. Don't act like you don't even know how to reply to somebody.

Reply #462 posted 05/20/18 9:00pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

I use to like Andy and her music.

Fly and Pink have caused me to shudder when AA name comes up now.

I am no longer a fan of AA.

If that was your intent, it is working.


Thanks.

pimp2

Reply #463 posted 05/20/18 9:08pm

FlyOnTheWall

OldFriends4Sale said:

Uh, no one said we cannot talk about these things. You seem to be really defensive and not comprehending. Creating multiple threads on the same person and turning threads that did not start out about someone ie Andy into another Andy Allo debate is something totally different.

FlyOnTheWall said:

I also found this interesting thread on which several of the Orgers on this thread opining about how problematic are "all these women" and relationship threads were engaged in a discussion on a thread about one of JJ's social media posts called, "Jill Jones taking aim again." Personally, I am not judging the tone of the discussion; however, based on some of the comments on this thread, I am baffled why they are now suddenly SO troubled by "all these women threads" that devolve into bickering.

I'm still working my way through the eight pages of the thread, but, already, I find some of the language shocking and, arguably, debasing to both Jill AND Prince, like when they mentioned "sluts" "f**king in bathrooms" and the like. Things got pretty heated...and FAST. See for yourself.

I have copied and pasted Replies# 39-54. And, again, I'm not judging. I'm just saying...people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. #Irony #PotsMeetKettles

http://prince.org/msg/5/451169?&pg=8


Reply #39 posted 01/16/18 11:18am

malbena¤

Did Jill get to reflect on her role in Graffiti Bridge? That was rather objectify. And now, she is judging others for what she has done herself. Get a life!

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.

Reply #40 posted 01/16/18 11:18am

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she thinks JJ is slut and cannot sing

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m



Reply #41 posted 01/16/18 11:22am

purplefam99

I was not attacking Penny.

you assumed she was calling JJ a slut, which is why your retort said "well Prince is too then"

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m

[Edited 5/20/18 18:17pm]

Thanks for your comment, OF4S; however, I respectfully disagree.

Specifically, other than when I compared a photo of Andy to a recent one of another singer, when have I mentioned Andy on a thread about someone else? And, mind you, I didn't say anything negative. I just said that the photo composition was similar to one of AA from her Superconductor lyric book and I posted the photo to illustrate my point. At the time, I had NO idea that would be perceived as an attempt to "derail" that thread. And, BTW, the same person who started that thread has several other threads on that same singer, on which I have not mentioned AA. So, it's not like I was deliberately trying to do something underhanded. In fact, I even complimented that singer's voice and looks on at least one of those threads.

And, I'm not saying that I've never mentioned AA on a thread about another Prince Associate on any other occasion, but I really don't think that I have. If so, I have no specific recollection of any such thread. If you have examples, please share them. Quite honestly, I am just flabbergasted at this whole kerfluffle over Andy Allo posts. I mean, I just can't believe it.

Edit: I just remembered that on one of the threads about the aforementioned other singer, someone said that she had an Andy Allo vibe, musically (she also plays guitar) and visually (she is biracial and has curly hair), and I agreed.



[Edited 5/20/18 21:30pm]

Reply #464 posted 05/20/18 9:09pm

pinkcashmere23

PennyPurple said:

OMG, I'm getting so tired of Fly calling me a liar. She evidently doesn't comprehend what is being said, over and over again.


And PINK. Why are you writing your comments inside my quotes? You know darn good and well how quotes work. So knock it off. Don't act like you don't even know how to reply to somebody.

I have been having trouble with posting quotes since the format of the board apparently changed for me. You'll see that it's been happening when I reply to other posters as well,if you check.It's been happening frequently and it's ticking me off too.

[Edited 5/20/18 21:10pm]

Reply #465 posted 05/20/18 9:16pm

FlyOnTheWall

SoulAlive said:

LOL....the difference is,I don't post ten thousand threads about it lol I made my comment on that thread and left it at that.My most recent threads in this forum were about Jesse Johnson's "Be Your Man" single,The Time headlining an upcoming Funk Fest show,and The Time's "Cool" single....ya know,topics that pertain to the actual music that these artists made.Not surprisingly,these threads were soon buried by all the gossipy-type threads rolleyes

FlyOnTheWall said:


While looking back at some old threads, SoulAlive, I happened to run across this thread, "Apollonia's FB post...very interesting." Based on your comments on this thread, I was stunned to see you speculating about Prince, Apples, and Vanity and their relationships (Replies 144-146). "So, let me get this straight"--to borrow your words (in red)--it's okay for you to do it, but not others?? Seems like you were having a good 'ole time, too. nod #Irony #Hypocrisy

http://prince.org/msg/5/452163?pr

Yes, I love your Jesse Johnson and "Cool" threads. I even commented on both of them. Still, I think you get the point I'm making with my posts of old thread comments: That is, threads about Prince's women and relationships are not new to the Org...and MANY Orgers participate in what could be called "gossipy" threads. Whether on one or "ten thousand threads," even you have been known to engage in "tabloid" speculation. With regard to the frequency of my comments, isn't that my choice? I mean, I didn't realize I was violating an Org policy.

Reply #466 posted 05/20/18 9:21pm

pinkcashmere23

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I use to like Andy and her music.

Fly and Pink have caused me to shudder when AA name comes up now.

I am no longer a fan of AA.

If that was your intent, it is working.


Thanks.

pimp2

If two or three of us want to discuss Andy why is that a problem? There were multiple threads about her when she and Prince were collaborating. Probably a new one every few days.I don't see the problem if two or more posters want to engage in a conversation about a topic that interests them. If I see a post about a topic I have no interest in,I skip over it.

[Edited 5/20/18 21:34pm]

Reply #467 posted 05/21/18 4:24am

PennyPurple

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I use to like Andy and her music.

Fly and Pink have caused me to shudder when AA name comes up now.

I am no longer a fan of AA.

If that was your intent, it is working.


Thanks.

pimp2

Make that 2 of us.

Reply #468 posted 05/21/18 5:06am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

FlyOnTheWall said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Uh, no one said we cannot talk about these things. You seem to be really defensive and not comprehending. Creating multiple threads on the same person and turning threads that did not start out about someone ie Andy into another Andy Allo debate is something totally different.

you assumed she was calling JJ a slut, which is why your retort said "well Prince is too then"

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m

[Edited 5/20/18 18:17pm]

Thanks for your comment, OF4S; however, I respectfully disagree.

Specifically, other than when I compared a photo of Andy to a recent one of another singer, when have I mentioned Andy on a thread about someone else? And, mind you, I didn't say anything negative. I just said that the photo composition was similar to one of AA from her Superconductor lyric book and I posted the photo to illustrate my point. At the time, I had NO idea that would be perceived as an attempt to "derail" that thread. And, BTW, the same person who started that thread has several other threads on that same singer, on which I have not mentioned AA. So, it's not like I was deliberately trying to do something underhanded. In fact, I even complimented that singer's voice and looks on at least one of those threads.

And, I'm not saying that I've never mentioned AA on a thread about another Prince Associate on any other occasion, but I really don't think that I have. If so, I have no specific recollection of any such thread. If you have examples, please share them. Quite honestly, I am just flabbergasted at this whole kerfluffle over Andy Allo posts. I mean, I just can't believe it.

Edit: I just remembered that on one of the threads about the aforementioned other singer, someone said that she had an Andy Allo vibe, musically (she also plays guitar) and visually (she is biracial and has curly hair), and I agreed.



[Edited 5/20/18 21:30pm]

Why are you disagreeing, when I did not say you were the person or only person that did it? I used andy as an example, but it happens now with Vanity, and with 1 or two others.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m

URL: http://new.prince.org/msg/5/454470

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