URL: http://new.prince.org/msg/5/454470
Date printed: Sun 17th Feb 2019 6:46am PST
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All these Women threads
This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth... #IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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YAY! Finally! I am ALL for it. |
Tired of it too!
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As long as this new "reality" is evenly applied across the board, this should be a good thing. |
How about one thread per associate where news, video, social medial etc. can be posted. Would be much better than 5 different threads about something Andy or Mayte did/said. Paisley Park is in your heart
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That's a good idea. |
. Wooo, sounds like an excellent idea! . One thread only to talk about whoeva!! . Yes!
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OldFriends4Sale said:
This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth... Great! This is not AA.org |
Just create a new section entirely called "Prince's Lovers" where ostensibly adult people who have a LOT of time on their hands can get in touch with their inner seventh grader by bickering over who was prince's "soul mate," the hidden message of a tweet in 2014, the secret code in the shirt so-and-so was wearing on that one day 5 years ago, etc. - Then restrict the associates section to discussion of music and other professional work by people with some Prince connection, whether they were romantically entangled or not.
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There are multiple posts about a few of the other female associates too. It is kind of confusing and a bit hard to follow. |
pinkcashmere23 said:
That's a good idea. No it isn’t. It would then become a “competition” for you and Fly to see which thread can get the most clicks. You’re always thinking ahead, aren’t you? Lol... |
disch said: Just create a new section entirely called "Prince's Lovers" where ostensibly adult people who have a LOT of time on their hands can get in touch with their inner seventh grader by bickering over who was prince's "soul mate," the hidden message of a tweet in 2014, the secret code in the shirt so-and-so was wearing on that one day 5 years ago, etc. - Then restrict the associates section to discussion of music and other professional work by people with some Prince connection, whether they were romantically entangled or not.
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I have never created one thread on any of the forums. Most of the threads about Andy were created by Latin.I believe that Fly started three and the other two, including the Superconductor Appreciation thread were by other posters. |
disch said: Just create a new section entirely called "Prince's Lovers" where ostensibly adult people who have a LOT of time on their hands can get in touch with their inner seventh grader by bickering over who was prince's "soul mate," the hidden message of a tweet in 2014, the secret code in the shirt so-and-so was wearing on that one day 5 years ago, etc. - Then restrict the associates section to discussion of music and other professional work by people with some Prince connection, whether they were romantically entangled or not.
There should be a separate section for Wives...not lump Mayte and Mani with all his protégés. |
And, the one about Andy's love letter was also posted by someone else. |
Yes,I think it was by purplerabbithole. |
It's not all that confusing. I don't think there's more than 2 threads on the first page about any one associated. Exept for andy allo. She has 7. - But the bigger problem is that "associate" has come to mean "girlfriend/wife" instead of professional collaborator, and the discussions are all about his personal relationships with these women, rather than professional. - For example, the discussion of Janelle monae's excellent new album is in the "non-prince music" section. Would she not be considered an "associate"? what's the definition? if the definition is "lover/protegee" then just call this section that.
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No, this section is PPP.org...Prince's Purple Pu$$y.org |
PennyPurple said: Tired of it too!
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pinkcashmere23 said:
I have never created one thread on any of the forums. Most of the threads about Andy were created by Latin.I believe that Fly started three and the other two, including the Superconductor Appreciation thread were by other posters. Oh, yes. You are SO innocent. Lol... |
For some reason, Andy is always singled out by certain people. For the record, there are presently seven (7) active Mayte threads...and that's just on the first two pages. There are five-six Vanity/Denise threads. And, presently, Natalya, who is not even technically a Prince protege, has at least three active threads. |
This section isn't supposed to be restricted to "prince protegees" (however you define that). It's about "associates." Those can be men, women, professional, friendly, romantic, etc. And it's not some competition between these women to see who can have the most threads, posts, views, etc. i mean, honestly. - And yes page 1 of this section has 7 andy allo threads, in which the same couple posters are just talking about whatever stuff they always talk about (as oppposed to the actual subject of the thread).
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No, it's not a competition, but it was YOU who singled out Andy Allo for a thread count....and I responded to YOUR reply. And, now that I have pointed out that there are multiple threads for several Prince associates, you want to conveniently forget counting. |
Fly, most of the responders on the Andy Allo threads who aren't one of the 3 usual suspects are people trying to talk some sense into the 3 usual suspects (well, primarily you, frankly) about what reads as an obsession. There aren't heaps of people eagerly joining your conversations about, say, the meaning of that ring andy wore in that one picture. - And, yes, the 7 threads were started by a couple different people, besides the 3 you started. For example, one was started by a moderator to as a retort to you when you were complaining that you were being prevented from having the full quantity of active andy allo threads that you felt entitled to. - But it's all moot because the moderators have some plan to clean up this section and good for them!
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disch said: It's not all that confusing. I don't think there's more than 2 threads on the first page about any one associated. Exept for andy allo. She has 7. - But the bigger problem is that "associate" has come to mean "girlfriend/wife" instead of professional collaborator, and the discussions are all about his personal relationships with these women, rather than professional. - For example, the discussion of Janelle monae's excellent new album is in the "non-prince music" section. Would she not be considered an "associate"? what's the definition? if the definition is "lover/protegee" then just call this section that.
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That's just not true. Of course, there are two-three Orgers who come on every single Andy thread hurling insults, unfounded rumors, and profanity, but somehow they are the sensible ones in your story. Besides those Orgers, there are numerous other participants in the threads. |
Let's get some more threads about Morris Day and The Time,Mazarati,Jesse Johnson,etc......where their music is being discussed and analyzed! Isn't that better than focusing on all the women that Prince slept with? |
FlyOnTheWall said:
That's just not true. Of course, there are two-three Orgers who come on every single Andy thread hurling insults, unfounded rumors, and profanity, but somehow they are the sensible ones in your story. Besides those Orgers, there are numerous other participants in the threads. Only one person uses profanity (although I said “bullsh*t” once, and what I said on a certain thread was not an u founded rumor. I have spoken at length with someone who had a longterm relationship with him during 2011-2012, and whom he pursued until mid-2013. The unfounded rumor was the one Pink put there today. |
By the way, all I will say was, that Prince was ONE SEXY MF. So you girls who’ve been dreaming... Keep doing so. He is JUST as u imagined. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And the posters who are over running this thread are 1 of the reasons this has become such a problem. You know who you 2 are. |
I hate to break it to you, angel, but that is what is called an unfounded rumor. And, I saw the rumor that pink posted, which she indicated is a rumor that should be taken with a grain of salt. But, at least she could point us (actually, it was YOU) to the Twitter post where it was written. You can't even give us that with your recycled LSA tales...and you have the nerve to insist that the drivel you spout is factual...and that you are privy to some exclusive secret about P's love life. You never cease to amaze me. |
I didn't post the rumor until sharpie asked. I thought that most fans on social media would know what I was referring to since the Prince fan group that posted the article is well known and widely followed.As I said earlier I take rumors that I have read online such as the one about T&C with a grain of salt.Unless something comes from someone I know was close to him such as Hannah Welton,Shelby or Elisa for instance,I am skeptical about what to believe. |
This forum is a mess.There is too much focus on all the women that Prince slept with....too much tabloid garbage. |
rogifan said: How about one thread per associate where news, video, social medial etc. can be posted. Would be much better than 5 different threads about something Andy or Mayte did/said. This is a good idea |
FlyOnTheWall said:
I hate to break it to you, angel, but that is what is called an unfounded rumor. And, I saw the rumor that pink posted, which she indicated is a rumor that should be taken with a grain of salt. But, at least she could point us (actually, it was YOU) to the Twitter post where it was written. You can't even give us that with your recycled LSA tales...and you have the nerve to insist that the drivel you spout is factual...and that you are privy to some exclusive secret about P's love life. You never cease to amaze me. You’re not saying that I am incapable of discerning whether something is true, are you?. Ok. Choose to believe it or not... It happened. Obviously I am not going to divulge to anyone who the woman is. I gave my word and will never go back on it. |
Thanks Fly! I actually was wondering myself where the rumor originated from and sharpieheartz posted the link to the source. |
On page one of this forum,there are hardly any threads about any of the *male* associates...it’s just thread after thread about Andy,Mayte,etc....the same,tired discussions going on and on and on. |
SoulAlive said: On page one of this forum,there are hardly any threads about any of the *male* associates...it’s just thread after thread about Andy,Mayte,etc....the same,tired discussions going on and on and on. There are SO many interesting male associates. |
OldFriends4Sale said:
This is the new reality post April 2016 all the people who are team ___ or team ____ but this is getting out of hand. Just a lot of petty back in forth... hey,can you do a few those in-depth threads where you focus on a specific album? How about the Mazarati album? I enjoy those discussions ![]() |
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SoulAlive, more people should start (and maintain) threads about what interests them. That is the only way to assure a more diverse selection of topics. [Edited 5/10/18 15:54pm] |
That's very true. I appreciate that Latin has been posting about a variety of topics such as upcoming events and several of the associated artists projects. |
FlyOnTheWall said:
SoulAlive, more people should start (and maintain) threads about what interests them. That is the only way to assure a more diverse selection of topics. Good point,but I just think that there are too many “gossipy” threads in this forum and it’s always about the female protégés.A lot of these threads are about personal things that have nothing to do with their music. |
disch said: Just create a new section entirely called "Prince's Lovers" where ostensibly adult people who have a LOT of time on their hands can get in touch with their inner seventh grader by bickering over who was prince's "soul mate," the hidden message of a tweet in 2014, the secret code in the shirt so-and-so was wearing on that one day 5 years ago, etc. Then restrict the associates section to discussion of music and other professional work by people with some Prince connection, whether they were romantically entangled or not. ^^THIS |
The nature of Prince's music (the lyrics) make it virtually impossible to dissect them without talking about emotions and intimacy. Have you ever considered that? And, even when we try to talk about the music, there is a band of Orgers who are allowed to consistently veer the threads off topic with personal attacks and profanity.
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disch said: page 1 of this section has 7 andy allo threads Yep,and that’s absurd. |
SoulAlive said: This forum is a mess.There is too much focus on all the women that Prince slept with....too much tabloid garbage. This. Paisley Park is in your heart
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. |
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So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid? |
What/who's stopping you from starting such a thread? |
Asenath said: So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid? but don’t you get tired of bickering about which woman was truly Prince’s “soulmate”? Or dissecting and analyzing a very personal letter that Andy sent to Prince? ![]() |
Asenath said:
What/who's stopping you from starting such a thread? I’ve done threads like that in the past but unfortunately,they get buried underneath all of the “gossip” threads ![]() [Edited 5/10/18 20:27pm] |
The moderators didn't say anything about "censoring thoughts and ideas." A few people (me included) posted our ideas about what should be done and they're pretty much all a variation of containing these repetitive girlfriend discussions to one thread, section, etc. Pretty similar to what the mods do now witih death-theory talk (direct it all to the one sticky and lock up any additional threads).
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^^One sticky thread devoted to all the girlfriends is a great idea.That way,the forum won’t get flooded with a ton of gossipy/women threads. |
i think What rogifan proposed would work better.One thread per associate artist/woman. It would be confusing to discuss them all in one thread. |
pinkcashmere23 said:
i think What rogifan proposed would work better.One thread per associate artist/woman. It would be confusing to discuss them all in one thread. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think there needs to be another forum: Prince and the Women He Loved |
benni said: I think there needs to be another forum: Prince and the Women He Loved Good post, Benni. Prince was also not a fool. He was old school and a businessman and far from naive. He did love women, but I think when it came right down to it he did the mature thing. He did meet with Mayte and sat down and talked at one point she says. We don’t know what was said but it’s possible he was trying to make amends. With Mani, I have heard she REALLY took him to the bank and not everything has been disclosed and she took him for millions and she and Eric both stalked Prince for years for money, and Prince basically paid them off to get them out of his atmosphere, and he let her file for divorce so he could remain in good standing with the JW elders. But the marriage was basically over in 2004 and once he knew what she was like he made things so hard for her she would have to file, like locking her out of the house then bulldozing it, and taking her immigration papers and locking them in the vault st PO and leaving her basically nowhere to go. Maybe that’s why she had the apt rented in Minnie. Yes this is just hearsay but ive heard it from a few sources who were very close to P or someone he was very close to. I think Manuela is SCARILY cunning. There’s probably a reason she waited so long to marry Eric. Like, waiting til she got the last dime from P. I think he moved on from both wives but not the losses from his first marriage as easily. We carry those things with us. That’s why Prince stayed in the moment but also mentioned to someone about how much it hurt when people used him for financial gain. He didn’t blame Mani though. He knew he got himself into it. [Edited 5/11/18 2:09am] [Edited 5/11/18 2:29am] [Edited 5/11/18 2:31am] |
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Every lie in our universe affects us.
Every person who portrays a picture of themselves as being a social advocate while really playing every angle possible to further self makes our society sicker. I tend to be a realist. Denial does not work for me. This is not people’s perspectives born of jealousy; this is what Prince apparently told a person he was very close to. I don’t know exactly where the other person I heard it from got their information except it matches, and that person was close to someone P was close to. I wasn’t there so I can’t verify these things, but it sure does fit with every single thing we know. [Edited 5/11/18 2:40am] |
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benni said:
I’ll answer your questions with a question to you. What would it be like if you didn’t try to control me or what I said this morning? |
Exactly. *Crickets* See, this “new age” stuff feels good for a few minutes, but it doesn’t last unless we know ourselves first (have insight). Don’t mess with the big guns. |
I think it´s perfectly normal that there are dozens of Andy Allo, Mayte, Vanity, Mani, Jill Jones and countless other threads dedicated to those women because they all played an important part in Prince´s life and it´s understandable that there will always be fans who prefer person A over person B or C. This is a Prince fan message board after all and where else if not here are you going to find threads dedicated to those women? Doesn´t bother me at all as long as those threads are here in the associated artists forum and not in the Prince:Music and More forum. Nobody is forcing me to read them all.
I´d be more worried about unhappy orgers leaving the org after years and years on the org instead of worrying about the umpteenth Andy Allo, Mayte or Vanity thread. It´s mostly grown folks in this forum so I don´t really understand why there needs to be so much censorship and banning people left and right.
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I actually think it's because there are like 7 threads on AA, where it could be combined in 1. I don't think we need 7 different threads about a person. There are also numerous threads on Mayte and Natalya, when there only need to be 1. |
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Yeah, I don't get the censorship and banning thing either. The forum has slowed down even from 1 year ago. |
benni said:
No, I stated something that is not really new or different on the Org, and you preached a long commentary to me, lol, about how I should think, feel and speak. That felt like control to me. NOW we are having a dialogue. |
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Exactly!!! Thank you!!! |
Asenath said: So bascially because people don't like the topic, the "powers that be" are now going to dictate what can and can't be discussed on the site? Although throughout various times in his career, Prince presented the persona of a sex symbol, and had women on display to promote this aspect of his persona; it's not to be discussed; and only the music is worthy of a thread? So it's better to censor thoughts and ideas that you may disagree with, then for people to just skip the threads which they find uninteresting/unworthy/stupid? It’s not about censoring anything. It’s about not having umpteen different threads about the same person. In the Music & More section threads get locked up and re-directed to existing threads all the time. Why should it be different here? Paisley Park is in your heart
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benni said:
Okay... Lol. |
Personally, I think all the thread locking and redirecting on this site is counterproductive. I've never seen anything like it. |
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rogifan said: How about one thread per associate where news, video, social medial etc. can be posted. Would be much better than 5 different threads about something Andy or Mayte did/said. I think this is actually the best idea I’ve seen, yes... Even if it does become a competition. Lol. |
Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers. |
FlyOnTheWall said:
Just to be clear, there are presently multiple AA threads that were started by FIVE different Orgers. Right. That’s dominating the forum. No matter who begins them, certain people parlay off them and keep them at the top of the forum 24/7. |
Why does it matter what is at the top of the forum? That is the mindset that is fueling the present toxicity here on Prince.org. |
I believe that OF4S proposed the idea of an update thread in one of Latin's threads about Andy just to keep it neat and all in one place.I think it makes sense to have one thread for each associate or artist or at least an update thread for them to combine news on projects,new photos and interviews etc. I don't see anything wrong with dedicating a thread to a certain project,song or album as some have been doing. |
FlyOnTheWall said:
Why does it matter what is at the top of the forum? That is the mindset that is fueling the present toxicity here on Prince.org. Lol. Okay....🙄, LOL! |
But by that token: What does it matter if the conversations around certain individual associates are consolidated into one thread per associate? Wouldn't that make it easier for the people who are interested in discussing that person to find each other/follow the conversation, and easier for people who aren't interested to skip past it (similar to the one Death Talk sticky on the PM&M page)?
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In fact, it's just the opposite. Trying to navigate those LONG sticky threads, often with dozens of pages, is very time-consuming. For that very reason, I seldom frequent the "Death" and "Estate" stickies. It is much easier, IMHO, to follow more narrowly focused threads. |
But the multple girlfriend threads AREN'T "narrowly focused." Take a look at the last posts in those threads and see if they have anything to do with the stated thread title. - If they each had a specific, truly distinct topic designated in the subject (a new music release, say, or an evaluation of an older release) and that's what people actually discussed that would be one thing, I think. And if they then allowed the conversation about that topic to run its natural course and the thread died, as all threads do, then, in my opinion, that would be fine. - But threads that start or end pup about what Prince "truly felt" about this woman vs that woman, who was his "soul mate" or "last confirmed girlfriend" or whatever -- i.e., that focus on the personal/romantic relationship between Prince and whatever person? Yeah, those discussions should be consolidated and set in a place where people can find (or avoid) them very easily.
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I do think having a different thread for each new project and interview gets a bit confusing. I think those things could be combined into one thread. |
Just as in actual human interaction, threads will sometimes slightly deviate from the main topic. I don't see any harm in that. Now, it's different when certain Orgers target threads and deliberately set out to derail them by flame-throwing and making them so vulgar and profane that they turn-off other potential readers. |
I agree. I'm not one to do that. What I'm saying is that, IMHO, the LONG sticky threads are prohibitive, to participation for busy people. |
They are hard to keep up with,I agree. I also think having only one thread to discuss all topics concerning each associate could get a bit confusing as well. |
The whole purpoose of threads with specific topics is to segment discussions so people can earily locate and partipate in the topics that interest them. These threads don't deviate sligthly; they go off into unrelated tangents. - If someone wants to have an open-ended, boundary-free conversation about a particular girlfriend, then one designated thread called "All About <whoever>" seems an appropriate solution. Or perhaps make one designated thread that's titled "Personal Relationship Between Prince and <Whoever>" and people can talk there about soul-mate status and what-not, and other threads can focus specifically that associate's professional work or life outside of Prince.
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I think having having a thread dedicated to the discussion of the professional relationship and one for the personal is a great idea. |
I challenge you to point to ONE thread of multiple pages that discusses ONLY the title topic. |
The reality is this: Prince is no longer with us, and, with few exceptions, the vast majority of the threads are retrospective. Meaning, if Prince.org is to continue its existence, there are bound to be repeat posts of articles and photos. What is the harm in that? |
I think as long as the moderators have time to enforce such threads and keep them on track (something tells me the the "professional" thread would soon be bickering about soul-mate hierarchies as people insist that there are coded messages in the professional work and what not). - The moderators probably don't have time to police all this so I can see that they would just create one thread about someone and call it a day. - Look, the current professional lives of most associates don't lend themselves to robust conversation that lots of people will engage in. These are more, shall we say, niche topics that will appeal only to a couple orgers at this point.
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[Edited 5/11/18 9:29am] Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end ![]() |
benni said:
How about one thread where anyone who wants to discuss his sex life and who was/wasn’t his lover and everyone who wants to argue over who was/wasn’t the one can post. I don’t think we need a whole new forum just for gossip about the women in his life. Paisley Park is in your heart
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?? Who said you started them?? |
Excuse me, Penny, but what are you talking about? Where did I say that someone said that I started all of the multiple AA threads? I simply stated that they were started by multiple Orgers. Does that meet with your approval? |
You were acting like you were accused of starting 7 AA threads. That's why I asked, 'who said you started them'? |
See, this is an example of the personal attacks I mentioned earlier. People do far too much of this on the Org. I think we need to be careful to read exactly what people write...and not project what we think they are really saying. Good grief. Please lay off me, Penny. |
Who's Andy Allo? Never heard of her. |
Sorry, (not sorry), couldn't resist.
I'm out of here, as you were, |
Huh? That's an attack? ROTFL
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Taken alone, perhaps not, Penny...but, it's cumulative over the past few days. In the past, we have had amicable interactions here. I hope we can soon return to that. Peace. [Edited 5/11/18 10:50am] |
She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend. |
Well, you learn something new everyday. |
No problem. Glad to help!! |
Women have more emotions than Men do, and women tend to be more expressive about their feelings than most men, so everytime one of Prince's ex GF or wives are mentioned, all hell breaks loose! We all have a difference of opinion regarding all of Prince's women and we are passionate about how we feel. We are entitled to our opinions, but it's when we start attacking each other, and muddying the waters, so-to-speak, that we get off-topic and then things just go from bad to worse. . Prince had exe's, and that was for good reason!
"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) |
I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests. Without such a seriously enforced policy, certain Orgers know that they have a pass to target and cause mayhem on any thread they don't like. |
FlyOnTheWall said:
I agree. And, the ONLY thing that will fix this problem is a strictly adhered to ZERO TOLERANCE policy prohibiting personal attacks, name-calling, and bullying. That should be the focus of the moderators, not trying to censor the volume of threads about certain Prince love interests. Without such a seriously enforced policy, certain Orgers know that they have a pass to target and cause mayhem on any thread they don't like. HUH? R U kidding us? This thread most likely has to do more than anything with your obsessive, dominating posting and behavior, including really really hurting people for 2 years now, like REALLY affecting people with what looks like basically a sociopathic type of bullying and unkindness. And now you think you’re the Police? And you’re going to twist things to keep them to your satisfaction? I mean, how dumb do you think we are, Fly? |
^^^^^I give you, Exhibit A. I rest my case.^^^^^ [Edited 5/11/18 14:58pm] |
FlyOnTheWall said:
^^^^^I give you, Exhibit A. I rest my case.^^^^^ [Edited 5/11/18 14:58pm] Lets be clear about something. There’s a difference between doing that to people and speaking out about it. Your remark was narcissistic. I rest my case. |
Ok. |
No she isn't There's always a rainbow 🌈 , at the end of every rain ☔️ |
Okay. Then, who is? |
Lala's latest FB post is very suggestive. I wonder about her sometimes.The writer of Prince's article in Mojo magazine also said that he was with a beautiful Latina during the interview.I'm not sure she was an official girlfriend but I think they may have dated at one time.
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I absolutely agree: Prince.org definitely needs to crack down on people with multiple screen names who habitually manufacture a crowd to target and disrupt threads they don't like. I almost mentioned this Org phenomenon earlier, but that seems to really set some people off, causing them to threaten to "report" me to the moderators. Thanks for bringing that to the table, poppys!! |
For starters, Prince and Andy or anyone close and reputable has never confirmed her being a girlfriend. Lots of people still believe that there was some serious publicity going on there, i happen to believe that there was a relationship. Or a dalliance, shall we say..it ended abruptly and they both moved on. From 2010 onwards (post Bria) P definitely surrounded himself with lots of female companions. We know of a few, Lala, Andy, that Swedish singer (forgotten her name!), Delilah, Natalya, Tamron, Damaris, Judith and maybe some we don't know of. I'm not saying all of these were intimate relationships but i have absolutely no reason to disbelieve Judith when she has stated she was his girlfriend for the last 2 years of his life. Even though you try your best to discredit her because it doesn't fit your agenda of him pining away and "reaching out" to Andy! There's always a rainbow 🌈 , at the end of every rain ☔️ |
The Swedish singer is Snoh Aalegra. I wonder about her too with her traveling with him and the mention of 4 am doughnut outings. |
It's true that Prince was surrounded with beautiful women; however, like you, I don't think he was intimately involved with most of them. I'm curious, though: To what end do you think Prince would stage a relationship with Andy Allo? |
Didn't JH tell the police that, before her, Andy and Bria were his girlfriends? |
Yes she did. I would like to have heard the audio of the interview. From the transcript she seemed very shaken up,understandably. |
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Yup I still have no reason to disbelieve Judith, sorry. Not based on comments from unreliable sources and people who have no idea what went on behind P's bedroom door. And Damaris' rant sounded like jealousy to me, seems he was probably playing them both. And the question remains...why would she lie about it? To further her career? In a police interview she probably thought was private? Doesn't really add up. I honestly can't see the problem you have with it. It's hilarious watching you try to downplay every other woman he was associated with. We really don't know who his relationships were with or how he felt about anyone and never will so it's pointless speculating ad nauseam There's always a rainbow 🌈 , at the end of every rain ☔️ |
Damaris said they were not involved and I believe her.She also had a boyfriend the entire time she was working with Prince from what she said in another twitter rant. It seems that Prince had several female friends but no real serious girlfriend. Judith didn't make the relationship sound that serious.She told them they were romantically involved. Some close to him said that he was not in a relationship and that he didn't have a girlfriend at the time.It's possible he and Judith were able to keep their relationship private but they must not have interacted much around others from what was said. |
I have an original thought for you....quit playing the victim. |
Well I guess maybe you could be sleeping with someone and not be someone's gf and least not in the man's mind. So maybe it is a case of miscommunication. Also, I don't really know how opiates affect someone's libido. Is it realistic to think Prince had much interest in women and abusing painkillers? |
I agree.From what Judith said in her interview with the authorities,he didn't seem to have much interest in anything.She said that he told her that everything was boring to him,even performing. |
That is a major symptom of depression. Losing interest in things you once loved. |
I know. I just wonder how long he had been like that and if those close to him were aware of it. |
So, his body guards and driver, who were around him virtually 24/7 are "unreliable sources"? Okay. |
It has not even been established that JH was sleeping with Prince. I have heard that she stayed at a hotel in Chanhassen while she was working for extended periods at Paisley Park. And, based on the police interview I read, she seemed totally flummoxed when they asked her which side of the bed P slept on. After stumbling over the question, she eventually said that he slept on the side closest to the bathroom. And, we know for sure that when Prince flew her in to attend the Atlanta PAAM show, she told the police that she flew in the night before...and she was driven to her hotel. The more I think about it, that is probably a large part of why the bodyguards and driver say that she was not intimately involved with Prince: apparently, she didn't spend nights at The Park.
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Even on a thread talking about the excessive threads, people are STILL going on about who was/wasn't his girlfriend/lover. Amazing. |
I know,right? |
It appears that the thread order has changed on the board and some threads don't move when replied to. [Edited 5/12/18 6:03am] |
endiadj said: disch said: It's not all that confusing. I don't think there's more than 2 threads on the first page about any one associated. Exept for andy allo. She has 7. - But the bigger problem is that "associate" has come to mean "girlfriend/wife" instead of professional collaborator, and the discussions are all about his personal relationships with these women, rather than professional. - For example, the discussion of Janelle monae's excellent new album is in the "non-prince music" section. Would she not be considered an "associate"? what's the definition? if the definition is "lover/protegee" then just call this section that.
Mayt e has 4. Mayte was his wife, mother of his only child, and professional collaborator (muse, dancer, band member). Regardless of how one feels about her, her impact on his music and personal life was very significant. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above |
This is insane Pink/Fly. We all know you post using multiple IDs. Get REAL. There is only one person shoving Andy down our throats on every thread. You are not doing her any favors either. She probably needs extra security. |
Did Mayte's Appreciation thread get locked or did it expire? I didn't see the reply button. |
Actually,if you look at the thread created by purplerabbithole concerning Andy's letter,you will see that several posters responded to the thread and appeared to be interested in Prince and Andy's relationship.People can ignore threads they have no interest in. I'm sorry that you find it upsetting that several of Prince's fans like Andy,including some of us here. |
Your claim is ridiculous and without merit. It is also an insidious personal attack. And, it raises a very interesting question: Why are you trying to make it seem that interest in Andy Allo is limited...and manufactured? I hate to break it to you, but people can see through your attempts to malign me. What you are attempting to do is obvious. Shame on you. |
Look at the bright side, benni: At least it's a good thread to push your book. |
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Lala's latest FB post is very suggestive. I wonder about her sometimes.The writer of Prince's article in Mojo magazine also said that he was with a beautiful Latina during the interview.I'm not sure she was an official girlfriend but I think they may have dated at one time.
[Edited 5/11/18 18:06pm] I wonder about Prince and Lala’s relationship as well. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above |
Yes. He never said a thing about her.She was kind of a mystery. Her latest post on Facebook is interesting. |
Has her name come up in the Carver County documents and/or phone records? |
I've went from liking AA.....to see ya later, don't want to see ya no mo. Only because of posters who change threads (like this one) to nothing but AA. |
Not that I have heard of. She was never mentioned in any reports that I have read.I saw some familiar names in some of the emails that were sent after he passed. I noticed Shelbey Rodríguez and Esperanza.Hannah Simone said to call her.I think she was the actress from New Girl iirc. [Edited 5/12/18 7:28am] |
If you go back to the first or second page, you will see that it was actually posts like yours that brought her name into this thread. I have only been responding to such posts. And, IMHO, if you really like someone, it would take more than posts on Prince.org to change that. |
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I guess that pretty much confirms what I've suspected all along: Lala exaggerates and embellishes her association with Prince. [Edited 5/12/18 7:31am] |
Well looks like some folks (the usual suspects) took the moderators' request to "get it all out of their system" to heart on this thread. But anyone who's looked at this section knows tha some people's "system" has no limit. - It seems that the vast majority of people who expressed an opinion on this thread want to see threads about the girlfriends consolidated in some way. - My thought is: prince.org is a community. If the community seems to prefer a particular approach to make this a more inviting for everyone, with varied interests and opinions, to participate, then others shoud be wiling to go along with that. If they're not willing, then I'd wonder: is the person here to exchange ideas, info, and opinions with a robust communithy, or for some other reason? - Listen I participate in some topics here that routinely get re-routed by moderators. Is that personally "annoying" or time-consuming to me? I guess, sometimes. But I also recognize that not every person here has the same interests as me, and that this community is a shared space, and I respect that. - I hope that if the moderators take some efforts to change this section, no one then tries to express their disagreement by flooding the main board with complaints, attempting to divert unrelated threads to their preferred topic, etc. I think that woud be not helpful to this community at large. - And if someonen REALLY can't tolerate the rules or atmosphere here, that they're able to find another place on the internet (or in real life) that's more the kind of community they're looking for.
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I don't know. She has some video clips on her IG that were posted in September of 2013 while at the Mall of America and what she said was taken at the arboretum in Eden Prairie. She was in Minneapolis for some reason. |
So, you've done a formal count? In so doing, are you able to weed out the people with multiple screen names who set out to skew perceptions here on Prince.org? |
I didn't say that I suspect that her association is fabricated. I said exaggerated. |
I wonder about that as well. She may have been working on a project for him at the time. The screen shot of the email that appears to be from him,looks like he was teasing her about how long it took for her to get ready to go out. |
Nope, no formal count! But I'm very confident in my assessment. Feel free to formally count (people who posted on this thread expressly supporting unlimited threads about the same girlfiend vs people who posted on this thread supporting consolidation of threads about the same girlfriend and/or other limitations) and prove me wrong. -
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AA, You(fly) & pink is the reason this change is happening. I didn't bring AA love life into this thread, I said there are so many threads about AA. You have run with the love story on this thread and every thread, we can't talk about Judith Hill, Natayla without you bringing AA into it, other people have told you to stop hijacking their threads.
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Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different. |
I see I'm not the only one who suspects that this whole thread is about trying to tamp down interest in and enthusiasm for Andy Allo. That's deep. But there's no problem with thread after thread about Mayte and whatever Prince product(s) she is selling. |
Personally, I could do without those threads too.
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Will the ones such as Mayte's Appreciation thread no longer be allowed? As I mentioned earlier,it appears to be locked. |
I would guess that thread probably self-locked. It had been open for months now. |
The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them? |
That's what I was thinking since the last post was on May 2nd. |
Change can't come soon enough for me. |
Be careful what you ask for. |
I do scroll right past them. If you notice my commenting on the associate threads has dwindled down quite a bit.
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Actually, I had not noticed. |
I agree. Then when they self lock thread can be started as they do for all other threads on PM&M. |
I liked the Appreciation threads and participated in all of them.I also don't see a problem with a thread dedicated to a certain album or project of a protege or associated artist.I did think an update thread to keep up with news like OF4S suggested in one of Latin's threads about Andy was a good idea. |
Many other forums have ignore buttons for specific posters, to make it easier to avoid seeing posts from people who you don’t want to see. - Would you object to adding that functionality to this site fly? If so why? - FlyOnTheWall said:
The "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them? |
Not at all, disch; however, I was making a point about the scrolling function that might have escaped you. In fact, I would LOVE to be able to push a button to block certain Orgers...but I don't see how that would work unless it were for orgNotes. [Edited 5/12/18 8:30am] |
It’s common on many forums. - And why are you opposed to people being able to hit an ignore button in threads that hold no interest for them? - By the way you’ve now accused people several times of posting under multiple names. Am I one of those people? What other names do I post under? - FlyOnTheWall said:
Not at all, disch; however, I was making a point about the scrolling function that might have escaped you. In fact, I would LOVE to be able to push a button to block certain Orgers...but I don't see how that would work unless it were for orgNotes. [Edited 5/12/18 8:30am] |
When did I say that I was opposed to an ignore button????? I'll wait. Moreover, please don't attribute things that I didn't say to me. If you go back a page or two, you will notice that someone accused me of having multiple screen names, so that's where that thought came from on this thread. Did you not notice that? Why not call that Orger out for their direct personal attack instead of constantly zeroing in on me, disch? Why are you always shadowing me? |
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Ok: post #165, you said in a reply TO ME (on a post I wrote that had nothing to do with “multiple screen names”): “Why would I waste my time doing that? Besides which, after I consolidated the identities of those using multiple screen names, I feel sure our results would be vastly different.” That’s what prompted me to ask you if I was one of your “multiple screen name” posters and if not who is. - And re ignore function: in post 170 you wrote: “the "ignore button" is mental. That is, if there are multiple threads about something/someone about which you have no interest, all you have to do is scroll past them. Why should things be changed because certain people are apparently unwilling to ignore threads that don't interest them?” - FlyOnTheWall said:
When did I say that I was opposed to an ignore button????? I'll wait. Moreover, please don't attribute things that I didn't say to me. If you go back a page or two, you will notice that someone accused me of having multiple screen names, so that's where that thought came from on this thread. Did you not notice that? Why not call that Orger out for their direct personal attack instead of constantly zeroing in on me, disch? Why are you always shadowing me? [Edited 5/12/18 8:57am] |
What is your point, disch? I never said that I made no mention of multiple screen names. BTW: There is at least one other time I mentioned it in this thread (Reply #123). I tell you, it's really interesting how you have zeroed in on this whole multiple screen name thing. Very interesting. |
It's no use disch, they flood the threads so much they forget what they say.
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If you go back to Reply #164, disch, you will see that Penny mentioned the "ignore button," to which I responded in Reply #170. But that doesn't mean that I "oppose an ignore button." So, I accept your apology in advance for falsely accusing me in this regard. |
I’m “zeroing in” because you brought it up in a response directed at me. - So what are the other screenanrs I post under? FlyOnTheWall said:
What is your point, disch? I never said that I made no mention of multiple screen names. BTW: There is at least one other time I mentioned it in this thread (Reply #123). I tell you, it's really interesting how you have zeroed in on this whole multiple screen name thing. Very interesting. |
Let it go, disch. You know who you are. |
I’m not apologizing to you fly. I didn’t “accuse” you of anything. I quoted your post where you said “an ignore button is mental.” / but I’m glad that you clarified that you in fact DO support this board introducing an ignore function that applies to both threads and posters! While I don’t see that functionality happening, it’s good to know that’s one thing that we do agree on, at least in theory. - So what other screen names do I post under? I’m really curious! FlyOnTheWall said:
If you go back to Reply #164, disch, you will see that Penny mentioned the "ignore button," to which I responded in Reply #170. But that doesn't mean that I "oppose an ignore button." So, I accept your apology in advance for falsely accusing me in this regard. |
I know. I anticipate this thread will be locked up soon and whatever new rules the moderators have for this section will be coming shortly. PennyPurple said: It's no use disch, they flood the threads so much they forget what they say.
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Are you serious??? I think it's abundantly clear that the tribute video is a retrospective about their relationship. I mean, do you find the video title, "Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ," somehow ambiguous??? |
In case you are unfamiliar with the concept of metaphors, disch, my "ignore button" statement was metaphorical. |
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I thought the thread was about both the album and their relationship. The person who created the video meant it as a tribute to them as a couple. |
The subtitle of the video is "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead," which is a lyric taken from Prince's "Rocknroll Loveaffair." Given that, what did you expect the thread to be about? And, what in the world is wrong with discussing what they were wearing??? There has always been a fascination about Prince's attire. Sheesh. |
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I can't even take your meddling comments seriously. I'm relegating this to my "trolling" file. Bye, benni. |
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I thought the thread was created for the Prince & Andy tribute video celebrating their relationship that is set to the OCL album not the album itself. [Edited 5/12/18 10:25am] |
No, benni, you are just flat-out wrong. And, you are being a meddling busybody. The title of the thread is "'Oui Can Luv" Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: " 2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... ." That is the thread title. The actual video title is, "2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead... " |
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But the tribute video is set to the Oui Can Love album so I think that should have been mentioned. The video is made up of a series of photos of them as a couple. |
Whatever, benni. At least get the title of the thread right: "'Oui Can Luv' Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: '2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead'... " It's a mouthful, I know, but that's the title. You would better understand that if you had actually watched the beautifully produced video...and were not just trolling and trying to have the thread erased by the moderators.
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Where does it say that? The thread title says that the Oui Can Luv album was used to make a video called, "2 People in Luv, with nothing but the road ahead." In other words, the thread is about the video that was set to the music of the album. In it's broadest sense, the thread is about the album, the video, and "2 people in luv." What's wrong with that? Can't you see how offensive you are being right now? |
If that's the case, once you discovered that the thread was discussing Prince and Andy's relationship, why not just move on? What is so difficult about that concept for you to understand??? Good grief!! |
Got it. Since you don't have interest in their relationship and are interested in solely the music,you watched the video and didn't comment. Those of us interested in both commented accordingly. Some of us noted that he/they looked happy in some of the photos which lead to other discussion about their relationship. |
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Benni (or anyone) participating in an unlocked thread -- especially one started by a moderator with the title "All These Women Threads," and that specifically says "Yall get this out of your system" -- doesn't really fit any definition of "meddling." - I know you've been very senitive to the idea that you're on the receiving end of bullying and attempts at "censorship." Maybe just pause for a second and think about that...
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But...how did the thread I started come to be about you, benni, and how you misread the title??? |
Fly, I only picked that thread because it was the most obvious on the front page. The way the thread title reads vs the subject matter, shows how it is not always black and white on what threads to scroll past. |
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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) |
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Talk was bound to lead to discussion of the relationship after watching the video. Some us said that we enjoyed seeing photos from back then and that he appeared to be happy which some associated with Andy. |
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People have a right to discuss Prince history, including his relationships, to our heart's content. And, Miss Andy is definitely forging her own path. In fact, I'm going to sign off soon so that I can tune in for her latest StageIt concert. It starts in 20 minutes. |
You sound more like a moderator with each of your posts, disch. |
Anybody notice that 'All these Women threads' Title, is nothing but AA? Someone is having a melt down because they think that all their AA threads are going to be taken away and reduced to 1. |
Well, moderators by defintion practice moderation, and moderation in all things in life (including fandoms!) is a good thing, so I'll take that as a complement!
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True. Though Andy's MMs usually brought the focus on Prince or their relationship because some of the songs she performed were written for him or with him.Also Andy will always be connected with Prince through the music they created together that is showcased on his final albums. |
I'M melting down?? I'm simply fending off all the missiles being thrown my way. [Edited 5/12/18 11:58am] |
I was also enjoying the Mayte thread and was hoping for a continuation of it. Also have been enjoying the threads about Natalya and Judith as well. |
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Andy has her own career...but, to the chagrin of some, she will always be associated with Prince. She is part of music/entertainment history. In what world is that a bad thing? |
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Prince is a HUGE part of music/entertainment history. Ergo, so are his associates. BTW, more people know Andy than you might think. For instance, the Pitch Perfect franchise, of which Andy is now also a part, is a pretty big deal. And, her star continues to rise. Don't you worry, benni, Andy will be just fine...in spite of the haters on Prince.org. |
I agree but I meant that the songs that they wrote and recorded together are on his albums and she will always be a part of his legacy because of that.Something she herself acknowledged during her interview with Grammy Pro. |
Prince had lots and lots of collaborators/protégées/associates over his career, so I guess this would be true of them all. Interestingly many of his female associates get a lot of criticism here if they emphasize their association — that they aren’t “doing they’re own thing” and they’re trying to “ride princes coattails” etc. - On this site the male associates get discussed very differently, it seems. Well just far less as this section is currently dominated by discussion/arguments about his love life and the women involved with it. - pinkcashmere23 said:
I agree but I meant that the songs that they wrote and recorded together are on his albums and she will always be a part of his legacy because of that.Something she herself acknowledged during her interview with Grammy Pro. |
Yes.Some of the female associates are treated differently and I think they have to prove themselves more to some of the fans and that they can stand on their own,outside of their association with Prince. |
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. Sorry, I'm being silly!! . I used to love Ramona's "Turtle Time"! LMAO!! . . LOL "With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) |
It self-locked/expired after 60 days. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above |
Thanks. I thought that was probably what happened. |
I think of Judith Hill as a protegee and companion of Prince's. From what I read of her interview with Carver County police as well as what others (Kirk, Damaris, etc.) have stated, it's unclear whether or not she and Prince were dating because she claims that they were and others claim that they were not. I don't really know what to believe about them being romantically involved, but she certainly was a protegee and companion of his. . "Romantic relationship" and "girlfriend"/"boyfriend" mean different things to different people. It is possible for two people to be in a romantic relationship/be boyfriend-girlfriend without having a sexual relationship. For example, some couples choose to abstan from sex until marriage due to religious beliefs.
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Yes, Yes and more yes. Refocus... it's about the music #IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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Yes, if people are really concerned about this place being a go to for information to preserve Prince's legacy, it is about the music, the tours, the style, the bands, the technicians Prince's vision #IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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From what I have observed of Prince over the years...and based on Van Jones' remark about how over-the-top Prince acted when he was into a woman...I think it would have been obvious, especially to insiders, if he and Judith were more than friends/mentor/mentee. |
Read rule #7...you agreed to the rules...we are gods baby . But actually, we never said what is going to happen. How and why did you come to this flame bait conclusion? . And do an org search on CENSORSHIP, we've discussed this before and sharp Org members have schooled those who cry censorship. . I hope you are not still crying about PNV, she is gone because she wanted to. #IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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. Judith did say (as per the investigation statements), that she spent time at PP (i.e., stayed the night). . She made it sound like they both slept together. It really does not matter to me if they did or not, but I don't think they were in a serious relationship. She lives in L.A. . Kirk denied that Judith was Prince's GF, but then again, he's denied other things as well.
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its been fun but take all Estate or Investigation discussions to the appropriate threads-forums
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Of course, she spent time at PP, but that doesn't mean she was staying there. And, it wasn't just Kirk. His bodyguard Chris and his driver Kim said the same thing: Judith was not Prince's girlfriend. Others might believe JH or still have doubt, but for me, it's a wrap. |
"All These Women" would make a good title for a Prince song... "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato |
This thread didn’t age very well, lmao. My goodness. ![]() No more peace and quiet, I wonder Y... |
Ok no more girlfriend debates this thread was not meant for this #IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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purplethunder3121 said: "All These Women" would make a good title for a Prince song... ![]() |
Actually, I think "forum flooding" is when one person has a very high number of active threads simultaneously, like having 25 or more threads at any given time. I believe that some forums limit the number of active threads begun per person during a specified period. |
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I didn't say that I suspect that her association is fabricated. I said exaggerated. Where was AA mentioned in the investigative reports? Where did it say AA slept at PP? |
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In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013. |
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In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013. I'm still kinda shocked Bria was his girlfriend! She is pretty...but tall!!! And I didn't know he was down with the enchanted breasts like that lol....didnt Mayte tell him when they were married she wanted breast implants but he wouldn't let her? I swear I read that in her biography. Just kinda inconsistent it seems. |
I was too. She was around a lot in 09-10 though so I assumed they were probably together back then. I don't remember that about Mayte. I think Bria was around 5'9 so she was a good bit taller. [Edited 5/13/18 15:58pm] |
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I was too. She was around a lot in 09-10 though so I assumed they were probably together back then. I don't remember that about Mayte. I think Bria was around 5'9 so she was a good bit taller. [Edited 5/13/18 15:58pm] I see. 2009 was the last time I saw him in concert and then I stopped following him, so I'm not very up to date on the Prince girls. |
What show did you attend? I remember Bria traveling with him for the shows in Europe for the 20ten album and they were photographed in Vienna together. I think her last public appearance with him was at a show in San Jose in May of 2011. Prince sang If I Was Your Girlfriend to her onstage and she dropped out of the picture after that. |
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What show did you attend? I remember Bria traveling with him for the shows in Europe for the 20ten album and they were photographed in Vienna together. I think her last public appearance with him was at a show in San Jose in May of 2011. Prince sang If I Was Your Girlfriend to her onstage and she dropped out of the picture after that. It was at Paisley Park in October of 2009! It was really awesome! I do remember noticing at the time that he didn't dance. |
Awesome! I remember reading the reviews about it here. Some said that he appeared to be in pain and was limping. |
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Awesome! I remember reading the reviews about it here. Some said that he appeared to be in pain and was limping. Yes it looked that way to me as well, I can remember. |
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In Judith's interview.They asked her who Prince's past girlfriends were before her and she said Andy Allo and Bria Valente. I don't think Andy had been to PP since early 2013. So everyone believes Judith when she mentions previous “girlfriends” but not that she was a “girlfriend”. SMH. My theory on why KJ and others said JH was just a singer was to protect her just like none of the other young proteges that went through PP since 2010 were not mentioned to the police to contact...protecting them. They probably ALL knew about his opioid use and were enablers in the end. |
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Someone who said that they were the writer of a book that was published about Prince posted in Music & More last year that they were aware that he had his hip surgery in 2010 and that he recuperated at the home in Turks and Caicos. His condition must have worsened in 2009. I remember in videos of he and Bria in Europe in summer of 09 that he had a bit of a limp then as well. [Edited 5/14/18 0:16am] |
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Someone who said that were the writer of a book that was published about Prince posted in Music & More last year that they were aware that he had his hip surgery in 2010 and that he recuperated at the home in Turks and Caicos. His condition must have worsened in 2009. I remember in videos of he and Bria in Europe in summer of 09 that he had a bit of a limp then as well. He probably really needed the surgery. I wonder why Bria and he fizzled?? It seems like their relationship lasted a while. |
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Yes. He had lost a lot of weight in 2009 and looked frail but he appeared to be healthy by the time he announced the Welcome 2 America shows in NYC fall of 2010. It was said that Bria was contacted and asked to attend a conference with some other Prince associates and she declined. |
That's an idea, rogifan but it would include more than this thread
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I guess that pretty much confirms what I've suspected all along: Lala exaggerates and embellishes her association with Prince. [Edited 5/12/18 7:31am] It does not take much for you to feel “confirmed” of the lack of importance of other women that were in Prince’s life does it? You’re psychotic. Completely obsessed with Andy Allo. You spend all your time online arguing (I’m sure to andy’s dismay), that she was his soul mate and everyone else was unimportant. It would probably crush your soul to come to the reality that Judith was indeed romantic and Lala had her own separate mailbox filtered from the other women? ![]() Why haven’t you been banned yet? No one appreciates the ridiculous amount of time you spend obsessing over andy. No one. You are trying so hard night and day to convince others of your fantasy and it looks like you have snagged a few believers but no one who is an actual adult with a healthy mental state and who has a job is amused. |
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She's Prince's last confirmed girlfriend. You’re off your hinges. Andy got left just like every one else. Any publicity was exactly that... publicity. Prince had plenty of private relationships, I am sure, that were not in the spotlight. Perhaps some girls he saw did not have talent, because that was the only way Prince would publicize you. Minus Damaris. But even Damaris was used for publicity and her own popularity. She certainly was not a dancer. We all knew that. Be wise in your observations and look at the girls Prince used in his projects. Most of them had a following already or had an extraordinary beauty (like Lala), or were talented. If you weren’t, he wouldn’t bring you into the public eye. It is VERY probable that he had love interests privately with women no one knows about. [Edited 5/14/18 8:05am] |
Call it what you will, but when someone comes at me about a thread that I started, and that person can't even get the title of the thread correct...and then tries to tell me that it is misnamed and misleading, when clearly it is not...that, IMHO, falls under the category of outrageous meddling...and trolling. And, that is the nicest name I could think of for it. |
Andy was the last confirmed girlfriend that accompanied him to a public event so I guess it could be said that she was his last public girlfriend.I happened to like Damaris and what she brought to the band. I think she had a nice presence and is very beautiful. |
Was it reported in the Carver County documents that Lala had a separate mailbox? If your claim can be substantiated, that would be pretty convincing to me that she had a substantial relationship with Prince. Just like the reports from THREE Prince insiders who state categorically that Judith Hill was not his girlfriend. I would love to see a link to any such reports about Lala's separate mailbox. Please share.
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And, you seem to be unable to admit when you are WRONG. The title is crystal clear: "Oui Can Luv Album Used For Tribute Video :::::: '2 people in love, with nothing but the road ahead...'" [Edited 5/14/18 18:09pm] |
How do you seperate them? Wasn't Jill Jones both? Andy? Shelia E? |
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I didn't fabricate anything. I'm not going to go tit for tat with you, and respond to your rude, slight digs. My post was framed as questions because you were very unclear with your post regarding "post about the ladies". Because I asked you a question privately, regarding how you responded to someone, in no way means that I am "crying"; what it does do is supply evidence to support my opinion that the way you present your post is unflattering and beneath that of someone with the task of being a moderator. Maybe you should take your own advice and review the rules about not attacking people. |
I think that might be a good idea. I suppose the songs written that were perceived to be about a relationship would be discussed in the ex-girlfriends forum. |
That principle is already in place in this site's Music: Non-Prince section, which has these instructions: "Music: Non-Prince is forum to discuss music, albums, tours, songs instruments by musicians entertainers singers (non 'related' to Prince ie (ex)band members (ex)protege members
Any gossip, lifestyle, domestic issues, general discussion of an entertainer musician or singer that isn't about their music, albums, tours, songs, instruments should be posted in the General Discussion section."
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But, doesn't the description for the "Associated artists & people" forum specify that it is "Talk about ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..."? Just look near the top of this page. |
BUT the description for the Assoc Artist forum says this: Associated artists & people Talk about ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc...
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Yes, but the moderators said at in the first post that some change is coming to this section, so some of us are suggesting what kind of changes might work. One idea might be to organize things more like the Music: Non-Prince section. There are other ideas too, to help foster more diverse conversations that extend beyond the current love-life-centric/"I think Prince loved <whoever> the MOSTEST"-type conversations in this section. -
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Okay...but, how is the Music: Non-Prince section organized any differently than any of the other forums? |
Well, because like this section, Music: Non-Prince focuses on musical people who aren't Prince, but there's a specific rule there that people can only talk about music-related topics; to discuss non-music topics about those artists, orgers are instructed to go elsewhere (in that case, the General Discussion area). - So I was pointing out, following a discussion here about trying to divide conversations into music and non-music topics, that split has already occurred in the Music: Non-Prince section and it seems to be working there, so perhaps there's some learnings from that section that can be applied to this section.
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That might be a good idea...but, chances are the very same Orgers would still be right there, front-and-center, complaining about the content of threads they don't like or about which they are not interested. |
Well I think the "very same orgers" would be intent on bringing in love-life/so-and-so was prince's soul mate/last-confirmed-girlfrend/one-true-love discussion into music-related topics. The very same orgers who have made clear that they view ANY attempt to corral repetitive threads and discussions as a form of censorship. So I think this might end up not being fair to moderators who'd have to try to babysit. - Just look, with honest eyes, at the posters who are dominating this section with their posts. It's not the people you brand the troublemakers, the meddlers, the busybodies etc. And it's too late at night where I am to argue with you about this, but I'm sure you'll dispute that.
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Personally, I sometimes go months at a time without even posting on Prince.org. And, I am not one to regularly initiate threads. The most active threads I've ever had at one time is now: three. I'm not into "forum flooding," which I think can be problematic if not controlled. [Edited 5/14/18 20:59pm] |
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What makes sense about throwing Prince's personal associations into General Discussion? General Discussion is just that - general - not Prince related. Are you just trying to dump something into a forum you don't use? Do you ever post in GD? [Edited 5/15/18 7:05am] |
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Was it reported in the Carver County documents that Lala had a separate mailbox? If your claim can be substantiated, that would be pretty convincing to me that she had a substantial relationship with Prince. Just like the reports from THREE Prince insiders who state categorically that Judith Hill was not his girlfriend. I would love to see a link to any such reports about Lala's separate mailbox. Please share.
[Edited 5/14/18 9:55am] Why does anything have to be convincing to YOU? Why do you think you are so important that something needs to pass by your judge and jury to be labeled truth? Why is it that you think you have Prince’s love life figured out at all? Because you think you are good at Blues Clues and think Prince left you hints? Do you not see your sickness? I cannot even read everything you write because it is SO insane. You have the same tired propaganda insanity of shoving Andy down peoples throats. FOR. MONTHS. You don’t see your unhealthy obsession with her? What does Andy being so important to Prince do for you? Tell us. Do you live vicariously through Andy? I believe you will find any reason to argue that your narrative of Prince’s love life is as you see it. You are in a fit of cognitive dissonance and you absolutely refuse to let anyone else persuade you from your fantasy. I saw you mention bullying in here. Guess what? You are every bit of it. Tell me, is picking apart other female protégée’s here and tearing them down, without having ANY real truth to grasp but your own guesses and delusions, constitute bullying? Are they here to defend themselves or give us the truth? Yet you ply away at every angle you can that strictly fits your perspective towards any female associate with Prince if it is suggested they are romantically tied to him. I have seen you say some pretty AWFUL things about other female associates that were suggested to even have a hint of romance with Prince. But tell us again how you are the victim, you aren’t a bully and you are a peaceful vibe. ![]() You absolutely SHRED any female associate who is not Andy. Passive aggressively or directly crude. What makes you think this is going to make people like Andy? One thing is certain, you are NOT the victim, you are the antagonist. You are a hypocrite and a fanatic who denies her own obsessive posting. You actually wrote “I do not come on here for months”. Who are you kidding? ![]() |
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No, I wasn't suggesting the conversations about Prince's love life go into GD. I was simpy pointing out, in response to another discussion in this thread about trying to split apart "personal" tallk from "music/professional" talk, that such a split is in effect in the Non-Prince forum and it looks like people adhere to it. - IF such a split were instituted in this section, the "love life" talk would probably be contained to a particular thread(s) not a separate section entirely (unless the mods wanted to start a whole separate section about Prince's love life). - I'm not saying it would work well in this section to do that, just that the split-by-subject principle is in effect in that other section already.
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I still don't understand why there is so much talk of "containment" when it comes to discussions of Prince's relationships, especially when that is such a storied part of his legend and mystique. It's simply not possible to examine Prince's full story without looking closely at his relationships, both professional and romantic. Just as there were different hairstyles and fashions during different eras, there were also relationships. I have to wonder if the goal is really to "contain" the discussion of all of his relationships...or just some of them. |
I think that containing the talk about his love life is for the same reason that the mods contain talk of other topics (no, not "censor." This is a message board and "censorship" doesn't really apply. And no, not to treat people like victims in the Salem Witch Trials. If someone really feels that posting here is like being hanged or burned alive, they should really find a new hobby!). - This has already been explained to you a few times, and you become very angry about it but here it goes again: The idea around containing is to make this a welcoming enviroment for ALL orgers, not just those interested in one particular topic. I don't think it shows a lot of community spirit to say that you will create and keep alive thread after thread about the same topic, and demand that everyone else wade your particular favorite threads to find what they are looking for (or else see their threads fall down/off the page quickly). - It's called being a considerate community member and thoughtful of everyone's varied interests (whether or not those interests have are centered around Prince's personal romantic and sexual habits). I'm perfectly willing to contain topics I'm interested in to one thread to make the community easier and more enjoyable for others. It's hard for me to understand why someone would refuse to do that.
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For some reason, you have a tendency to mischaracterize me. I have never, ever written or inquired about Prince's "sexual habits." As I've said previously, I'm interested in relationships. And, when have I been "very angry"? I wrote in all caps during a recent exchange with benni, but I was not angry. I was exasperated...and I did not start that curious melee. |
Why are we beating around the bush here? Fly and her alters are blotting out the sun on every thread. Continuing to argue minutiae is co-dependent. Are posters/the site getting paid for clicks here? Because it will change my viewing style. |
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The content of each thread is different. BTW, while you're at it, why don't you provide links to the ones that have been erased. [Edited 5/15/18 14:30pm] |
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And I just clicked on all of them and they opened right up for me. I clicked on them to get the titles and/or subject matter. |
I guess others can just click for themselves and see what happens. And, who knows: maybe, they won't be misdirected any longer. Presently, I can copy and paste the links into my browser--for one of the Superconductor threads and four Prince and Andy threads--and the thread will open, but if I click on the links, no such luck. Odds are, most people won't take that extra step unless forewarned. |
Perhaps the Google Search at the top of the page? |
This thread.....daayuum!! .
"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) |
You are deflecting. NONE of this has anything to do with the erased links. |
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Whatever, benni. BTW, it seems you are yet another moderator-like Orger to emerge on this thread. In any case, I don't need to waste my time going back and forth with you. People can read and see for themselves. Buh, bye. |
I was misdirected on a at least three of the links as well. |
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I just tried them again and I'm being directed to a post about Graham Central,Chaka Khan and 1999 The New Master and a post about a Computer World lawsuit. |
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threads of ALL sorts have been hidden and locked by moderators. For example, have been a ton of death-talk threads and I'd say most of them ended up being hidden (and not to consolidate them, i mean after there were lots of posts on them). - And I participated on these hidden threads, but you know what? I don't really care that they got hidden. It's the moderators decision and that's the way it goes. This is a message board, and if the rules and actions of the moderators infuriated me that much, I'd just someplace else on this wide-open space we call the internet. Or I'd put the work into starting my own site/facebook group that could work just the way I like it! But, like most of us I suspect, I really don't want to do that kind of work.
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. Oh, yea!! Without a doubt, LOL "With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) |
. .........The fact that Prince made every girl who was in his presence feel special. He had the ability to "read" women and understand them, which made him a chick-magnet, naturally!! "With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) |
Yes that's a techincal issue when you link to pages within this site. There are sometimes problems with the links. - OS4S put together a very similar list on the first post of the thread linked below You guys are still actively posting on this thread; did you forget completely how it started? http://prince.org/msg/5/453701 -
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. Huh? XxAxX and I were talking, and I just replied to you, just to clarify what we meant, that's all. . Relax.
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I've been having problems posting an org link, within the Org. it does take you to some strange page. |
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Yes, they work through the Google search. |
When I post them myself and then I check the links it takes me to some wacko place here on the org. It happened again the other day to me, I think it was on the Chris Brown thread. I can post a link from another web page and it works fine, but I try to post a thread link and it doesn't work.
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UK availability of GCS2000 and 1999: The New Master
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. Excuse me? You were asking XxAxX what we meant, and then I explained it to you, because it seemed as though you didn't understand what we meant. . What's your problem? . Re-read what you said below and my response -- Did I say anything offensive to you?? . XxAxX said:
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Very well said benni. I agree with all of your thoughts here. However, I think because Prince communicated mainly through his music, and often used it to directly speak to those he had relations with - good or bad, many are intrigued by what those relationships were to him, and what his thoughts were about them.
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You mentioned as an example some feeling that Mayte was "the one" and Manuela is to blame for that breakup. But then you hear a song like "Strange But True" a song he wrote at the end of their marriage which speaks to "the one he gave it to and the hole he's been trying to fill with another has now grown" - and one can't help but be intrigued about who he communicating to in that song.
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So, it's Prince's fault [Edited 5/15/18 17:32pm] |
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The Associate Artist Forum Refocus info is almost complete #IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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It's weird. [Edited 5/15/18 18:13pm] |
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Why not just allow 1 thread per associate at a time, for everything, the good, the bad, and the ugly? |
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I agree. |
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Very well said benni. I agree with all of your thoughts here. However, I think because Prince communicated mainly through his music, and often used it to directly speak to those he had relations with - good or bad, many are intrigued by what those relationships were to him, and what his thoughts were about them. You mentioned as an example some feeling that Mayte was "the one" and Manuela is to blame for that breakup. But then you hear a song like "Strange But True" a song he wrote at the end of their marriage which speaks to "the one he gave it to and the hole he's been trying to fill with another has now grown" - and one can't help but be intrigued about who he communicating to in that song. So, it's Prince's fault Nope. Not intrigued at all. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann |
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I think that some lyrics weren't meant for the listener but for the one that the song was about.As Prince would sometimes say about a song "She knows." Strange But True does seem to be addressing someone directly and songs like that naturally instill curiosity. I don't do that with every song but some lyrics seem very personal and cause me to wonder who inspired them. |
Really??? Wow, that is surprising. Especially reading an interview with his Engineer Hans who stated he had to fight to get that song included on the Rave album. Prince thought it was too personal to release. I think it ties in with many of his "love lost" songs throughout the 90's, but of course, just my opinion. I digress..... |
If he made the song public (on a record or in performance) it was meant for the listener. Just like ANY artist who produces art and puts it out to the world.
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Yes you've repeated that several times. Like any artist, I'm certain he took inspiration from his life (as well as other things, I'm sure) when he created the lyrical part of his music (the lyrics being just one part of the song -- and as a one-person creator, he spent time on ALL the parts. There's no indication that he elevated lyric-writing above the other things he did when creating the final product). - I understand that connecting his lyrics to his personal love/sex life (and discussing what you imagine was going on in his love/sex life) is your primary interest in Prince, and that you interpret his lyrics very literally (i.e., they're about one person only, etc.). Got it. To each their own.
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I think you are correct. Prince has stated on various occasions, "If you want to know about my life listen to my music - it's all in there" On his first album the lyrics to the song "For You" are:
All this and more is for you With love, sincerity, and deepest care My life with you I share
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He communicated through music - even to those with whom he was personally involved at the time of writing the song. No doubt many of his songs were inspired by, or specific stories about certain people in his life. |
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But disch - much of his life's work involved writing and creating music and lyrics which described personal things that were happening in his life at that particular time - and a lot of it was tied to his personal relationships with women, friends, collaborators, business associates, etc. And let's be real for a minute - a big part of his genius, along with huge musical talent, was creating that mystery which sparked the interest of his listeners. And he also created less cryptic songs when he wanted to express a particular message or point of view on certain topics such as politics, race or religion. He knew his more cryptic songs would cause intrigue and interest with his listeners, and I think he was okay with that. |
I think we might be dealing with a "male vs. female" thought process here
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However, I think it's hard to separate the lyrics from the instrumental piece of his music - they work together to create the specific "feel" or message he was trying to convey at that time. I do think it is obvious that on some of his more personal songs, such as Empty Room, the lyrics were an integral part of the song and very important to him. I think the fact that it took him years to pull that amazing song out of the Vault speaks to its significance. [Edited 5/16/18 8:12am] |
I agree. |
Okay, just putting this out there to support our point - the first verse of Strange But True, recorded 1999:
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This is an example of one of those songs that focuses much more on the lyric than the instrumentation, and it is clearly a direct communication to someone from his past. |
One more that is one of my favorites - Tangerine - a simple instrumental but very direct and personal lyric:
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Yes.Though I do find it interesting musically,it does have sparse instrumentation. His focus was definitely on the lyrics in that one and I admit wondering to whom he was directing it. The song Ain't Gonna Miss You When You're Gone also seemed to be a message to someone. There's even a line that says, "You probably think this song's about you. I give credit where credit's due but if it wasn't for me,You'd be a who." |
I have my thoughts on the subject of Strange But True, but I will keep those to myself for fear of the "onslaught" in this forum
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I think the subject of "Ain't Gonna Miss You When You're Gone" seems to be one of his proteges at that time based on the line, "if it wasn't for me, you'd be a "who"....meaning he is the reason she is well known to the public. |
I think Ain't Gonna Miss You might be about Bria and I think a clue is Ledisi singing "Tonight" towards the end since that is the title of one of the songs on Elixer.He also had Rashida play some of Tonight at The Dakota in 2013. |
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Someone said they thought it was a male vs. female thing on what they focus on when it comes to music. I'm a female and I can say unequivocally, I really don't care which female he might have been singing about in whatever song. To me, as I've said previously, each of the women were important to him at one point in his life and it's natural from an artistic perspective to draw from life when creating art. But as is also true in art, that real life aspect of it may only play a minor part in the original inspiration of the final creation, but the complete piece takes on a life and meaning of its own and the artist lets the listener, or viewer (if it's a painting) relate to it on their own personal level. What I do focus on his music, because there is absolutely no doubt the importance of this subject had on Prince and in his life, is the spiritual messages hidden (and not so hidden) in his music. That part of Prince, that part of his life, that part of his music intrigues me much more than what woman might have inspired this or that song. The spirituality in his music was what pulled me when I found his music again, and it is what has kept me drawn to him. The women came and went, God remained constant. [Edited 5/16/18 9:36am] |
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But, to support my comments regarding Prince's discussions with Journalists and taking them with a "grain of salt"....in a 1990 interview while doing the Nude tour Prince was asked about Kim Basinger and her involvement with the Graffiti Bridge concept. His response was, "well, I really don't know her that well". She had moved to MN and was in a relationship with him for about 6 months in 1989. In 1981 during I believe his first interview in Europe he was asked about his ethnic backround. His response, "my Dad is half black and my Mother is Italian".
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I find Prince to be a fascinating person and I enjoy reading about certain times in his life to get a better understanding of where his mind was when he wrote and recorded the songs. Not just who his love interest was at the time but other factors as well. I do tend to appreciate a song more if I have an understanding of the writing and recording process and what was going on during the creation of it. |
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I made the "male vs female" comment, but it was meant in a lighthearted, joking manor. I agree with your points here, but I will say, looking at the overall picture or "painting" of Prince's music from 1979 to 2016, the ideas, statements, style, depth and phrasing of his lyrics show us a unique "painting" of him during specific times in his life. I can listen to songs from different periods and determine the time frame in which they were recorded. I think the love/sex songs were just as prevalent throughout his life as the spiritual songs were. He struggled with, and wrote about both subjects equally throughout his career. The difference is, with his spiritual songs we know where he stood, because they were not cryptic, but his songs about his personal relationships and sex were typically cryptic - no doubt to protect his privacy and the subject's privacy. Therefore, human nature prevails, and many want to know who/what inspired those more cryptic songs. |
I agree. There are certain songs and albums that I wanted to learn as much as I possibly could about the creation of though such as Parade. My favorite chapter of the book DMSR was the one that covered the making of the album and the filming of Under The Cherry Moon. I found it very interesting to learn what was happening behind the scenes and I did feel I had a better understanding of the album after reading about it. |
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I totally agree. P was known to have "stretched the truth" or contradicted himself in interviews, so I take whatever he has said about song writing with a pinch of salt. Songs could have been inspired by someone in particular, either a current relationship or maybe from years before if the song had been shelved and brought out and reworked. Songs could have been about nobody, just like a novelist invents a character and story. Songs could be about more than one person, both Carmen and Mayte lay claim to tmbgiw. They aren't being deceitful,it will be what P told them. For all the above reasons, it's best to just enjoy the song. Speculation is a waste of time, we will never know the truth! There's always a rainbow 🌈 , at the end of every rain ☔️ |
I think the interest/fascination with learning the subject of some of his love songs comes from how direct and specific the lyrics often were.
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If you listen to "Violet The Organ Grinder" and watch the video....well, my goodness! He was mad, he was pointing at the camera, and he wanted that girl to know how pissed off he was that she left. Fascinating!! And then I start looking for clues in the lyrics, because they are usually there.... |
Prince famously opined, "Time is a trick." If one believes in time, however, it is that individual's to do whatever they will. Thus, it is futile to attempt to control how others use their time. Moreover, "waste" is relative. |
Right - even though I believe Prince did write songs for or inspired by specific people throughout his life, the reality is he did not want the facts or details out there. He wanted the mystery. This discussion is exactly what he wanted and expected. I have no doubt that he at least occasionally surfed this site and read the comments/opinions about his songs, personal life, etc. Actually, we know he did, because they found prince.org under his search history on his PC.
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The funny thing about TMBGITW is that the main message of the song is the importance of inner beauty, not outer beauty.... "And if the stars ever fell one by one from the sky |
He did seem quite angry in the video for Violet. At the end of the videos for ANOTHERLOVE and Fury as well. Those songs and videos do seem as though they were aimed at someone specific. |
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violetcrush said:
Really??? Wow, that is surprising. Especially reading an interview with his Engineer Hans who stated he had to fight to get that song included on the Rave album. Prince thought it was too personal to release. I think it ties in with many of his "love lost" songs throughout the 90's, but of course, just my opinion. I digress..... I say that because I know exactly where you are directing the conversation (you know this too, violet). There is a reason why I said "Fly has a protege" in another thread. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann |
Oh, definitely for Violet and Fury. In the Fury video he sticks his tongue out at the camera |
No, honestly, not trying to re-direct the conversation. The comment was meant to support the notion that he really did communicate through his songs, and he was quite direct in many of them. Not even going to go there with my thoughts on who, what, why or how....not in this forum!! |
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Ha hilarious! - Curious to see what the mods have in mind! Interested to see this section return to a robust discussion of the professional work of all the folks prince collaborated with over his long career -- I hope that people who have great insights into various eras' associates haven't all been driven off and will come back to share! I used to learn a lot from those diverse contributors.
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I'm excited too, and love learning from others
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lol getting all stressed out lol
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Presently, there are numerous active threads on former Prince collaborators and their "professional work." Various Orgers initiated the threads. Here are but a few that provide plenty of "insights" and updates. If none of these strike your interest, disch (and this applies to everyone), perhaps you could start a thread or two and help to provide some intellectual stimulation here on Prince.org. Just my
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i'm female. - I don't there's anything particularly "deep" about interpreting lyrics in a very literal, very simplistic way -- I.e., they're a love note about and directed to one woman, and one woman only, and that woman is one of the girlfriends who's publicly known via gossip coverage -- or in focusing only on lyrics instead taking the time to develop an understanding of compositions as a whole.
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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) |
I agree. I wish he had recorded a newer version of Empty Room and released it on one of the later albums. I think the one with 3rd Eye Girl that he shared was great! |
I love all of the versions of Empty Room, because it's such a FREAKIN' GREAT song |
I do too. The performance at Montreux was fantastic! I also loved the one in Zürich in 2011. |
And, who made you the depth police, disch? Your level of condescension is staggering. So, you're saying that one needs to "[understand] compositions as a whole" in order to appreciate Prince's music? What does that even mean? Are you suggesting that only musicians and composers should attempt to interpret Prince's lyrics? Seriously??? |
I don't interpret the lyrics in a simplistic way. I said that I enjoy learning what was happening in his life during the writing and recording process of his songs and albums to have a better understanding of his mindset at the time. Some songs however were probably meant as simple love notes to a certain woman.
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Correction: The Damaris thread now seems to be gone. [Edited 5/18/18 13:55pm]
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THANK YOU! I understand for some it is fun and interesting to talk about all the women in his life whether it is just friendship or relationship/romance, but at times it gets outta hand because it turns into just pure gossip and speculation and then silly little arguments tend to break out that just are not necessary. Some people really get obsessed about it!! Stuff like "who did he love the most", "his soulmate was .....", "he really wrote that song about such and such", etc. Ughhhh, enough already!! It is a little weird too considering how private for the most part he was about all of that. Heck sometimes this part of the forum should have been renamed "Prince's ex and assumed Lovers". There is no need for one person to have 10 separate threads about them. It is fine when discussing work related things but I feel all the romance stuff has run its course. [Edited 5/18/18 14:15pm] Love is God, God is love, girls and boys love God above.
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Personally, I find threads like the "Prince Death Investigation Discussion" nauseating and depressing. I'm also not interested in discussing the "Estate" ad nauseum. Instead of such morbid fare, I prefer Prince discussions about love and happiness, even if people sometimes express differences of opinion. [Edited 5/18/18 14:48pm] |
There was a thread that someone dedicated to the album Superconductor but it was removed. The thread about U Will B has also mainly been discussion about the song. |
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Do you mean there is a link to this thread on the JH thread to which you are referring??? |
I see that. I didn't notice any problem with it. |
It was moved to General Discussion (thanks Google Search Box): http://prince.org/msg/100/454592
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It wasn't there earlier. I searched several times today. BTW, Damaris toured with Prince and the NPG. In fact, she was a member of the NPG. She's certainly a Prince Associate. Do you know why a thread about her "professional work" would be moved from the Associated Artists & People forum? |
Dunno. I wasn't really following that thread. I just popped into this thread, saw the comment about it, typed "Damaris Lewis" into the Google Search box and that thread was close to the first one that came up.
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I just thought you might be willing to put on your "moderator cap," as you've been doing so much lately, and hazard a guess as to why Prince's beloved Damaris Lewis is not good enough for the Associates Forum. BTW, as I said, I did a search several times today, using the full thread name, and nothing popped up. Nothing. |
It is hard to partake in a thread, when the same 2 people flood it, it just makes me lose interest. |
Others commented as well. [Edited 5/18/18 22:44pm] |
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What really "takes the fun out of it" is when people want to control others and their interests. It's disgusting. |
For some reason, disch, I wasn't able to edit this comment. Thus, I'll just add my additional thoughts below. [Edited 5/19/18 5:55am] |
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Fly why in the world are you lashing out at me about this?? I have nothing to do with why this Damaris thread was moved (I hadn’t even read it) and have no interest in arguing one way or another about. All I did was find it in its new location and post that info on this thread to let whoever was interested know that it wasnt deleted but moved elsewhere. Literally just to be helpful. - Good god I am out of here. FlyOnTheWall said:
For some reason, disch, I wasn't able to edit this comment. Thus, I'll just add my additional thoughts below. [Edited 5/19/18 5:55am] |
Kinda like you, when on any thread you somehow manage to bring Andy into it. Interested in Judith, BAM, there you are bringing Andy into the Judith thread. |
Just as I thought. Deflection. |
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With Damaris being such a strong presence in the NPG,I would consider her an associated artist. She danced with them for about four years. Maybe the thread was moved because the focus was more on the movie than Damaris's work with Prince. That's the only reason I can think of. |
Why are you chiding other poster for staying quiet about a thread that was moved? We don't have anything to do about it. Did you talk to a Mod? |
Who were the two dominating the thread? I counted three or four comments that I had made. A few other posters were discussing the movie. |
Penny, I compared the composition of a photo on one thread to a previous one of Andy. Sue me. And, btw, no one on that thread disagreed with my observation, just my right to make it. Meanwhile, there are at least two or three other Associate threads about that same singer on which I don't even recall commenting. And, when did I mention Andy on a JH thread? Please refresh my memory. |
She's still a Prince Associate, yes? Also, Pitch Perfect 3 was not about Prince, but there were several threads about Andy and her major role therein. |
I gave you my thoughts on the Damaris thread. Damaris isn't acting in a Prince Associated film.
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True. |
The same thing could be said about Pitch Perfect 3 threads, no? |
I thought about that too. |
I don't know fly, ask the mods. They've already stated that there is going to be a change to the assoc forum, maybe the change is starting to happen. |
You claimed that I mentioned Andy on a Judith thread, which I did not. In other words, you were wrong. And, yes, Latin made those stunning comments; however, I was only clarifying that three Prince insiders told the Carver County authorities that Judith Hill was not romantically involved with "her beloved Prince," thread title notwithstanding. |
OMG fly, do you not realize that the changes that are coming to the assoc forum is partly because of you and pinks desire to flood every thread? That's probably why your other thread was moved to general discussion. What did the mod tell you? |
Again,others were welcome to comment and some did discuss the movie. |
Pink comments on just about every thread on the Associated artists' forum. Why is it only a problem for you on Andy Allo threads, Penny? BTW, since you continue to ask, I, the OP, have heard not a word from the mods about the threads' removal, to begin with, nor its later move to General Discussion. [Edited 5/19/18 7:29am] |
Thank you. I just looked at the thread and it was mainly discussion about the movie but as you said,articles and discussion about Andy's involvement with PP3 were permitted in Associated Artists so I don't know. |
Also, the "Associated artists & people" forum is described in this way: "Talk about ex-bandmembers, ex-girlfriends, etc..." The "General Discussion" forum is intended for "Topics that don't fit into one of the other forums, such as current affairs, sports, etc."
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What don't you understand? It's every thread in the assoc artists forum. Flood, Flood, Flood. |
They've already wrecked the train. |
So you're saying that we should just ignore the threads and not comment? Nothing is stopping others from joining in.Other than at times conversing with someone,I typically make a single comment and move on. [Edited 5/19/18 8:49am] |
Penny, you continue to stun me with your recent comments directed toward me. And, btw, you're wrong yet again: The number of threads that I comment on, in any of the forums, is extremely limited. (And, I'm only responding to you now to defend myself against your lies.) But, even if I commented on every. single. thread., what would be wrong with that? |
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I also found this interesting thread on which several of the Orgers on this thread opining about how problematic are "all these women" and relationship threads were engaged in a discussion on a thread about one of JJ's social media posts called, "Jill Jones taking aim again." Personally, I am not judging the tone of the discussion; however, based on some of the comments on this thread, I am baffled why they are now suddenly SO troubled by "all these women threads" that devolve into bickering.
Did Jill get to reflect on her role in Graffiti Bridge? That was rather objectify. And now, she is judging others for what she has done herself. Get a life!
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
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she thinks JJ is slut and cannot sing #IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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i think ideally it does not give anyone the right. and when some people are no longer a visually motivated creatures then perhaps sitting with ones legs astride won't have a consequences that reach far beyond this one person's choice. sorry Thewhitedude i am still stuck in my annual listen to Dr MLK's dream speech, we all have a duty to each other. Especially to me when we have been granted the good luck to be able to reach and touch so many. i am grateful for for those that speak up and out, it isn't ever easy to do so. If this young girl's pose is meant to empower young girls, then it is lost on me, but i will defend her right to pose but will also remind her of the consequences of her choice beyond the blanket right.
but we can say everyone is just beholden to their own choices, but that picture looks bleek and lonely to me, i want community so i am willing to make choices that empower that community than just empowering myself.
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Reply #43 posted 01/16/18 11:23am
see how the differing of opinion is missed when it is gone. LR hope you are well.
Reply #44 posted 01/16/18 11:24am
It can empower young women to do whatever they want to without being called sluts for doing it. "Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
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ok Reply #46 posted 01/16/18 11:39am
you read it, I reposted in a different debate, what Laura thought of her a slut for letting Prince have sex with her in bathrooms and what not #IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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That is true.
Reply #48 posted 01/16/18 11:52am
That makes Prince a slut too - so it's all good! Reply #49 posted 01/16/18 11:56am
get off the offense, PennyPurple isn't saying Jill is a slut, she is saying 'that is true' that Laurarichardson did say that about JJ #IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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I was not attacking Penny. Reply #51 posted 01/16/18 12:08pm
But you've been attacking Prince because you assumed Penny called Jill a slut "Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #52 posted 01/16/18 12:14pm
What are you talking about???
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Sorry, I was agreeing that LR did say that.
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you assumed she was calling JJ a slut, which is why your retort said "well Prince is too then" #IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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OMG Fly. You have serious mental issues.
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Uh, no one said we cannot talk about these things. You seem to be really defensive and not comprehending. Creating multiple threads on the same person and turning threads that did not start out about someone ie Andy into another Andy Allo debate is something totally different.
you assumed she was calling JJ a slut, which is why your retort said "well Prince is too then" #IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
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Penny, which threads have I "flooded"? And, is there a limit on the number of times that an Orger can respond to the same thread? If so, I was not aware of it, so, please share. Also, you are exaggerating once again when you say that "any thread that isn't about AA is turned into an AA thread by the 2 of you" (and that is putting it mildly). In fact, truth be told, you are flat-out lying. |
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OMG, I'm getting so tired of Fly calling me a liar. She evidently doesn't comprehend what is being said, over and over again.
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I use to like Andy and her music. |
Thanks for your comment, OF4S; however, I respectfully disagree. [Edited 5/20/18 21:30pm] |
I have been having trouble with posting quotes since the format of the board apparently changed for me. You'll see that it's been happening when I reply to other posters as well,if you check.It's been happening frequently and it's ticking me off too. [Edited 5/20/18 21:10pm] |
If two or three of us want to discuss Andy why is that a problem? There were multiple threads about her when she and Prince were collaborating. Probably a new one every few days.I don't see the problem if two or more posters want to engage in a conversation about a topic that interests them. If I see a post about a topic I have no interest in,I skip over it. [Edited 5/20/18 21:34pm] |
Make that 2 of us. |
Why are you disagreeing, when I did not say you were the person or only person that did it? I used andy as an example, but it happens now with Vanity, and with 1 or two others.
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