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Reply #120 posted 05/16/18 10:58am

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I think one of his best shows in those years - he was on fire!

Yes! I also loved the performance of Large Room With No Light! I just listened to it yesterday.

Yes, amazing. He wrote that song in 1986 and only performed it twice live.

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Reply #121 posted 05/16/18 11:06am

NotACleverName

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violetcrush said:



pinkcashmere23 said:



I think the mention of Mahler in the other version of I Hate You is interesting since Gustav Mahler No.3 is mentioned in the lyrics of Good Love and that song was said to be inspired by Susannah.


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Yes, agreed!! Also, I think that Susannah's relationship with John Cusack had ended by Summer of '95, which is when Prince recorded the extended version of I Hate U with the new spoken words. He says, "Last night, last night baby, you shoulda been doing it all alone. You gave a dog a place to bone, and now your ass is all alone" She shared an apartment in LA with Cusack during their relationship. Also, "you gave your body to another in the name of fun" -Cusack is a mainly comedic actor and very funny. And some of the other lyrics like, "you're all I ever wanna show my inner thoughts to girl - all the many things, many things". And "my baby, my little nasty miss" may be tied to "Miss Undersood" the song he wrote for her. The word "miss" is not a typical one in his songs.


A fine example of why, I believe, there are changes coming to this section of Prince.org. Some here fixate on a former love of Prince and begin to equate any/everything the man said/did/wrote to that particular former love interest even as he moved forward. These select individuals cannot fathom that Prince wrote many songs for the many women he fell in love, or were infatuated, with.

And, yes, I have an affinity for a certain era and love of Prince's but my focus is not so fixated on this person that I cannot understand (or accept, perhaps?) that after the relationship ended, the man moved on and began his process of wooing/loving another via song (etc.).

EDITED for spelling error.
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Reply #122 posted 05/16/18 11:14am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes! I also loved the performance of Large Room With No Light! I just listened to it yesterday.

Yes, amazing. He wrote that song in 1986 and only performed it twice live.

I had read that. It definitely has the same feel to me of some of the other songs from back then.

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Reply #123 posted 05/16/18 11:18am

violetcrush

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, agreed!! Also, I think that Susannah's relationship with John Cusack had ended by Summer of '95, which is when Prince recorded the extended version of I Hate U with the new spoken words. He says, "Last night, last night baby, you shoulda been doing it all alone. You gave a dog a place to bone, and now your ass is all alone" She shared an apartment in LA with Cusack during their relationship. Also, "you gave your body to another in the name of fun" -Cusack is a mainly comedic actor and very funny. And some of the other lyrics like, "you're all I ever wanna show my inner thoughts to girl - all the many things, many things". And "my baby, my little nasty miss" may be tied to "Miss Undersood" the song he wrote for her. The word "miss" is not a typical one in his songs.

A fine example of why, I believe, there are changes coming to this section of Prince.org. Some here fixate on a former love of Prince and begin to equate any/everything the man said/did/wrote to that particular former love interest even as he moved forward. These select individuals cannot fathom that Prince wrote many songs for the many women he fell in love, or were infatuated, with. And, yes, I have an affinity for a certain era and love of Prince's but my focus is not so fixated on this person that I cannot understand (or accept, perhaps?) that after the relationship ended, the man moved on and began his process of wooing/loving another via song (erc.).

These comments have all branched and grown from the initial post, which was a specific opinion about the subject of If I Was Your Girlfriend, including very specific interpretations of the lyrics. My comments and opinions regarding other songs relating to who I feel is the subject of that song are relevant.

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In recalling many of your responses regarding Mayte, it is clear that you seem have a fixation with her and her time with Prince. You are completely entitled to that, and it is fine. However, you become hypocritical when you criticize opinions or thoughts that may differ from yours with regard to Prince's music. I think if we made a list of his songs throughout the 90's that express loneliness and heartbreak, that list would be quite long - longer than a list for any other period in his life. That is just my opinion, but I am entitled to it.

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Reply #124 posted 05/16/18 11:27am

FlyOnTheWall

violetcrush said:

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said: A fine example of why, I believe, there are changes coming to this section of Prince.org. Some here fixate on a former love of Prince and begin to equate any/everything the man said/did/wrote to that particular former love interest even as he moved forward. These select individuals cannot fathom that Prince wrote many songs for the many women he fell in love, or were infatuated, with. And, yes, I have an affinity for a certain era and love of Prince's but my focus is not so fixated on this person that I cannot understand (or accept, perhaps?) that after the relationship ended, the man moved on and began his process of wooing/loving another via song (erc.).

These comments have all branched and grown from the initial post, which was a specific opinion about the subject of If I Was Your Girlfriend, including very specific interpretations of the lyrics. My comments and opinions regarding other songs relating to who I feel is the subject of that song are relevant.

*

In recalling many of your responses regarding Mayte, it is clear that you seem have a fixation with her and her time with Prince. You are completely entitled to that, and it is fine. However, you become hypocritical when you criticize opinions or thoughts that may differ from yours with regard to Prince's music. I think if we made a list of his songs throughout the 90's that express loneliness and heartbreak, that list would be quite long - longer than a list for any other period in his life. That is just my opinion, but I am entitled to it.

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Reply #125 posted 05/16/18 11:29am

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said: A fine example of why, I believe, there are changes coming to this section of Prince.org. Some here fixate on a former love of Prince and begin to equate any/everything the man said/did/wrote to that particular former love interest even as he moved forward. These select individuals cannot fathom that Prince wrote many songs for the many women he fell in love, or were infatuated, with. And, yes, I have an affinity for a certain era and love of Prince's but my focus is not so fixated on this person that I cannot understand (or accept, perhaps?) that after the relationship ended, the man moved on and began his process of wooing/loving another via song (erc.).

These comments have all branched and grown from the initial post, which was a specific opinion about the subject of If I Was Your Girlfriend, including very specific interpretations of the lyrics. My comments and opinions regarding other songs relating to who I feel is the subject of that song are relevant.

*

In recalling many of your responses regarding Mayte, it is clear that you seem have a fixation with her and her time with Prince. You are completely entitled to that, and it is fine. However, you become hypocritical when you criticize opinions or thoughts that may differ from yours with regard to Prince's music. I think if we made a list of his songs throughout the 90's that express loneliness and heartbreak, that list would be quite long - longer than a list for any other period in his life. That is just my opinion, but I am entitled to it.

When I first got Emancipation I noticed that some of the songs are quite melancholy and are in contrast to the uplifting, romantic songs on disc 2 and I wondered if they had been written at a different time in his life.

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Reply #126 posted 05/16/18 11:34am

NotACleverName

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violetcrush said:



NotACleverName said:


violetcrush said:

Yes, agreed!! Also, I think that Susannah's relationship with John Cusack had ended by Summer of '95, which is when Prince recorded the extended version of I Hate U with the new spoken words. He says, "Last night, last night baby, you shoulda been doing it all alone. You gave a dog a place to bone, and now your ass is all alone" She shared an apartment in LA with Cusack during their relationship. Also, "you gave your body to another in the name of fun" -Cusack is a mainly comedic actor and very funny. And some of the other lyrics like, "you're all I ever wanna show my inner thoughts to girl - all the many things, many things". And "my baby, my little nasty miss" may be tied to "Miss Undersood" the song he wrote for her. The word "miss" is not a typical one in his songs.



A fine example of why, I believe, there are changes coming to this section of Prince.org. Some here fixate on a former love of Prince and begin to equate any/everything the man said/did/wrote to that particular former love interest even as he moved forward. These select individuals cannot fathom that Prince wrote many songs for the many women he fell in love, or were infatuated, with. And, yes, I have an affinity for a certain era and love of Prince's but my focus is not so fixated on this person that I cannot understand (or accept, perhaps?) that after the relationship ended, the man moved on and began his process of wooing/loving another via song (erc.).

These comments have all branched and grown from the initial post, which was a specific opinion about the subject of If I Was Your Girlfriend, including very specific interpretations of the lyrics. My comments and opinions regarding other songs relating to who I feel is the subject of that song are relevant.*In recalling many of your responses regarding Mayte, it is clear that you seem have a fixation with her and her time with Prince. You are completely entitled to that, and it is fine. However, you become hypocritical when you criticize opinions or thoughts that may differ from yours with regard to Prince's music. I think if we made a list of his songs throughout the 90's that express loneliness and heartbreak, that list would be quite long - longer than a list for any other period in his life. That is just my opinion, but I am entitled to it.


No, I am not fixated on Mayte because I can clearly separate his time with her and his time with others. I am not trying to assign songs he wrote for others to my specific interest as you consistently do with Susannah. Your theory is that Prince was trying to woo Susannah back for years after they broke up. For goodness sake, you will even debate the Emancipation songs, Disc 2 specifically, and Prince unequivocally stated they were inspired by Mayte. Go back and review some of your posts if you are having trouble remembering.....it's all there.

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Reply #127 posted 05/16/18 11:37am

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FlyOnTheWall said:



violetcrush said:




NotACleverName said:


violetcrush said: A fine example of why, I believe, there are changes coming to this section of Prince.org. Some here fixate on a former love of Prince and begin to equate any/everything the man said/did/wrote to that particular former love interest even as he moved forward. These select individuals cannot fathom that Prince wrote many songs for the many women he fell in love, or were infatuated, with. And, yes, I have an affinity for a certain era and love of Prince's but my focus is not so fixated on this person that I cannot understand (or accept, perhaps?) that after the relationship ended, the man moved on and began his process of wooing/loving another via song (erc.).

These comments have all branched and grown from the initial post, which was a specific opinion about the subject of If I Was Your Girlfriend, including very specific interpretations of the lyrics. My comments and opinions regarding other songs relating to who I feel is the subject of that song are relevant.*In recalling many of your responses regarding Mayte, it is clear that you seem have a fixation with her and her time with Prince. You are completely entitled to that, and it is fine. However, you become hypocritical when you criticize opinions or thoughts that may differ from yours with regard to Prince's music. I think if we made a list of his songs throughout the 90's that express loneliness and heartbreak, that list would be quite long - longer than a list for any other period in his life. That is just my opinion, but I am entitled to it.



yeahthat nod clapping music thumbs up!


Supporting your understudy....I get it. wink

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Reply #128 posted 05/16/18 11:38am

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

These comments have all branched and grown from the initial post, which was a specific opinion about the subject of If I Was Your Girlfriend, including very specific interpretations of the lyrics. My comments and opinions regarding other songs relating to who I feel is the subject of that song are relevant.

*

In recalling many of your responses regarding Mayte, it is clear that you seem have a fixation with her and her time with Prince. You are completely entitled to that, and it is fine. However, you become hypocritical when you criticize opinions or thoughts that may differ from yours with regard to Prince's music. I think if we made a list of his songs throughout the 90's that express loneliness and heartbreak, that list would be quite long - longer than a list for any other period in his life. That is just my opinion, but I am entitled to it.

When I first got Emancipation I noticed that some of the songs are quite melancholy and are in contrast to the uplifting, romantic songs on disc 2 and I wondered if they had been written at a different time in his life.

Right - that album was re-sequenced 3 different times, beginning in January 1995. As I've mentioned before, Disc 1 is very different than Disc 2. The songs on Disc 2 were written and recorded much later - early 1996. The songs Prince was writing and recording in 1995 were very different than those he recorded early to mid 1996.

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Reply #129 posted 05/16/18 11:41am

violetcrush

NotACleverName said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

yeahthat nod clapping music thumbs up!

Supporting your understudy....I get it. wink

Those with no rational response to refute a point usually resort to low brow defense tactics. That is okay too, as it also is your opinion smile See how this works?? We can all agree to disagree biggrin

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Reply #130 posted 05/16/18 11:49am

violetcrush

NotACleverName said:

violetcrush said:

These comments have all branched and grown from the initial post, which was a specific opinion about the subject of If I Was Your Girlfriend, including very specific interpretations of the lyrics. My comments and opinions regarding other songs relating to who I feel is the subject of that song are relevant.*In recalling many of your responses regarding Mayte, it is clear that you seem have a fixation with her and her time with Prince. You are completely entitled to that, and it is fine. However, you become hypocritical when you criticize opinions or thoughts that may differ from yours with regard to Prince's music. I think if we made a list of his songs throughout the 90's that express loneliness and heartbreak, that list would be quite long - longer than a list for any other period in his life. That is just my opinion, but I am entitled to it.

No, I am not fixated on Mayte because I can clearly separate his time with her and his time with others. I am not trying to assign songs he wrote for others to my specific interest as you consistently do with Susannah. Your theory is that Prince was trying to woo Susannah back for years after they broke up. For goodness sake, you will even debate the Emancipation songs, Disc 2 specifically, and Prince unequivocally stated they were inspired by Mayte. Go back and review some of your posts if you are having trouble remembering.....it's all there.

As I've mentioned here, Disc 1 and Disc 2 of Emancipation are completely different. The album was re-sequenced 3 different times prior to its release. The songs Prince was writing in 1995 were completely different and in no way tied to marriage/settling down, etc. The songs changed when his situation changed. Also, the album includes a few songs regarding the marriage and baby. Many others on that album have nothing to do with it.

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Well, the many songs about loss, heartbreak and missing someone are most likely about someone specific, therefore, one is entitled to their opinion of who that subject may have been.

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Reply #131 posted 05/16/18 12:06pm

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

When I first got Emancipation I noticed that some of the songs are quite melancholy and are in contrast to the uplifting, romantic songs on disc 2 and I wondered if they had been written at a different time in his life.

Right - that album was re-sequenced 3 different times, beginning in January 1995. As I've mentioned before, Disc 1 is very different than Disc 2. The songs on Disc 2 were written and recorded much later - early 1996. The songs Prince was writing and recording in 1995 were very different than those he recorded early to mid 1996.

Yes it's very obvious. I also read that Goodbye and Journey To The Center Of Your Heart were originally supposed to be on the album and the original configuration of the album was different.

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Reply #132 posted 05/16/18 12:42pm

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Right - that album was re-sequenced 3 different times, beginning in January 1995. As I've mentioned before, Disc 1 is very different than Disc 2. The songs on Disc 2 were written and recorded much later - early 1996. The songs Prince was writing and recording in 1995 were very different than those he recorded early to mid 1996.

Yes it's very obvious. I also read that Goodbye and Journey To The Center Of Your Heart were originally supposed to be on the album and the original configuration of the album was different.

Here's a short list of the I miss you/I want you back/I love you songs recorded in 1995:

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I Hate U (re-recorded with specific spoken word)

Right Back Here In My Arms

In This Bed I Scream

Stone

Van Gogh

Journey To The Center Of Your Heart

Goodbye (recorded in 1991 but slated for Emancipation - per Prince's liner notes on Crystal Ball - intended for Emancipation - replaced by The Holy River

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I know there are more....just a few that I remembered off the top of my head...

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Reply #133 posted 05/16/18 12:56pm

violetcrush

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes it's very obvious. I also read that Goodbye and Journey To The Center Of Your Heart were originally supposed to be on the album and the original configuration of the album was different.

Here's a short list of the I miss you/I want you back/I love you songs recorded in 1995:

*

I Hate U (re-recorded with specific spoken word)

Right Back Here In My Arms

In This Bed I Scream

Stone

Van Gogh

Journey To The Center Of Your Heart

Goodbye (recorded in 1991 but slated for Emancipation - per Prince's liner notes on Crystal Ball - intended for Emancipation - replaced by The Holy River

*

I know there are more....just a few that I remembered off the top of my head...

Wait....forgot one of the most important tracks - A Million Days - recorded in 1995

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Reply #134 posted 05/16/18 1:12pm

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

Here's a short list of the I miss you/I want you back/I love you songs recorded in 1995:

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I Hate U (re-recorded with specific spoken word)

Right Back Here In My Arms

In This Bed I Scream

Stone

Van Gogh

Journey To The Center Of Your Heart

Goodbye (recorded in 1991 but slated for Emancipation - per Prince's liner notes on Crystal Ball - intended for Emancipation - replaced by The Holy River

*

I know there are more....just a few that I remembered off the top of my head...

Wait....forgot one of the most important tracks - A Million Days - recorded in 1995

He did have a few. I'd include Somebody's Somebody too.

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Reply #135 posted 05/16/18 1:20pm

Krystalkisses

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violetcrush said:



violetcrush said:




pinkcashmere23 said:



Yes it's very obvious. I also read that Goodbye and Journey To The Center Of Your Heart were originally supposed to be on the album and the original configuration of the album was different.




Here's a short list of the I miss you/I want you back/I love you songs recorded in 1995:



*



I Hate U (re-recorded with specific spoken word)


Right Back Here In My Arms


In This Bed I Scream


Stone


Van Gogh


Journey To The Center Of Your Heart


Goodbye (recorded in 1991 but slated for Emancipation - per Prince's liner notes on Crystal Ball - intended for Emancipation - replaced by The Holy River



*



I know there are more....just a few that I remembered off the top of my head...





Wait....forgot one of the most important tracks - A Million Days - recorded in 1995



Was this 1st recorded in 1995? Really that is interesting. I always thought this was about Mayte but maybe not if the song is that old.
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Reply #136 posted 05/16/18 1:33pm

violetcrush

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:



violetcrush said:




pinkcashmere23 said:



Yes it's very obvious. I also read that Goodbye and Journey To The Center Of Your Heart were originally supposed to be on the album and the original configuration of the album was different.




Here's a short list of the I miss you/I want you back/I love you songs recorded in 1995:



*



I Hate U (re-recorded with specific spoken word)


Right Back Here In My Arms


In This Bed I Scream


Stone


Van Gogh


Journey To The Center Of Your Heart


Goodbye (recorded in 1991 but slated for Emancipation - per Prince's liner notes on Crystal Ball - intended for Emancipation - replaced by The Holy River



*



I know there are more....just a few that I remembered off the top of my head...





Wait....forgot one of the most important tracks - A Million Days - recorded in 1995



Was this 1st recorded in 1995? Really that is interesting. I always thought this was about Mayte but maybe not if the song is that old.


Yes, it was recorded in 1995 per his engineer at the time, Hans Martin Buff.
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Reply #137 posted 05/16/18 1:47pm

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:



violetcrush said:




violetcrush said:




Here's a short list of the I miss you/I want you back/I love you songs recorded in 1995:



*



I Hate U (re-recorded with specific spoken word)


Right Back Here In My Arms


In This Bed I Scream


Stone


Van Gogh


Journey To The Center Of Your Heart


Goodbye (recorded in 1991 but slated for Emancipation - per Prince's liner notes on Crystal Ball - intended for Emancipation - replaced by The Holy River



*



I know there are more....just a few that I remembered off the top of my head...





Wait....forgot one of the most important tracks - A Million Days - recorded in 1995



He did have a few. I'd include Somebody's Somebody too.



Yes, I think Somebody's Somebody was his segue into the next phase, which were the marriage focused songs. The lyric "cannot be alone no more" says a lot
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Reply #138 posted 05/16/18 1:58pm

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

He did have a few. I'd include Somebody's Somebody too.

Yes, I think Somebody's Somebody was his segue into the next phase, which were the marriage focused songs. The lyric "cannot be alone no more" says a lot

Yes. Also "this big old world can be so empty living in it all alone.I realize that in it's best disguise a pretty house don't make a home."

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Reply #139 posted 05/16/18 2:04pm

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:



violetcrush said:


pinkcashmere23 said:


He did have a few. I'd include Somebody's Somebody too.



Yes, I think Somebody's Somebody was his segue into the next phase, which were the marriage focused songs. The lyric "cannot be alone no more" says a lot

Yes. Also "this big old world can be so empty living in it all alone.I realize that in it's best disguise a pretty house don't make a home."




My impression of his situation at the time is akin to that great classic song "If you can't be with the one you love, then love the one you're with". Just my impression based on the nature of his songs during that time
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Reply #140 posted 05/16/18 2:42pm

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violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:



violetcrush said:


pinkcashmere23 said:


He did have a few. I'd include Somebody's Somebody too.



Yes, I think Somebody's Somebody was his segue into the next phase, which were the marriage focused songs. The lyric "cannot be alone no more" says a lot

Yes. Also "this big old world can be so empty living in it all alone.I realize that in it's best disguise a pretty house don't make a home."




My impression of his situation at the time is akin to that great classic song "If you can't be with the one you love, then love the one you're with". Just my impression based on the nature of his songs during that time
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Yeah I always found that song to be out of place in the "I'm so in love with Mayte " album....also his rendition of "I can't make you love me" was a confusing song choice.
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Reply #141 posted 05/16/18 2:48pm

violetcrush

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:
My impression of his situation at the time is akin to that great classic song "If you can't be with the one you love, then love the one you're with". Just my impression based on the nature of his songs during that time [Edited 5/16/18 14:05pm]
Yeah I always found that song to be out of place in the "I'm so in love with Mayte " album....also his rendition of "I can't make you love me" was a confusing song choice.

Exactly. Not sure why some can't look at it logically and realistically.

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Reply #142 posted 05/16/18 2:51pm

violetcrush

violetcrush said:

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said: Yeah I always found that song to be out of place in the "I'm so in love with Mayte " album....also his rendition of "I can't make you love me" was a confusing song choice.

Exactly. Not sure why some can't look at it logically and realistically.

Also, knowing now that A Million Days was written and recorded in 1995 says it all to me:

It's only been a hour since you left me
But it feels like a million days
If I had a magic wand I could turn back time
I would never let you go away
I didn't have the heart to say I am sorry
Now I haven't got a heart at all
I could tolerate the pain if I could talk to my best friend
But you won't even call
I am contemplating pulling out my suitcase
And packing everything eye own
Eye didn't back then but eye do know now
Wherever you are is home
I'll crawl on my belly and beg you
But you're so far away
You've only been gone for an hour
But it seems like a million days
It's only been a hour since you left me
I wish eye had somebody to blame
But you are the perfect picture of what love should look like
And eye want to be your frame
It's only been a hour but it feels like a million days
A million days
One hundred thousand million days
Come home, come home baby
I can't take this no more
Well, come home girl oh yeah
Baby, I know eye shouldn't put my faith in heroes
But I can't see you any other way
It's only been a hour since you left me girl
Feels like a million, feels like a million days
Come home baby

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Reply #143 posted 05/16/18 2:55pm

WayneDaStar

no shade, but damn it seem like some ppl rented out space in his brain and stayed there for years.... i'm just saying. lol.

u got me under the influence.
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Reply #144 posted 05/16/18 3:06pm

violetcrush

WayneDaStar said:

no shade, but damn it seem like some ppl rented out space in his brain and stayed there for years.... i'm just saying. lol.

LOL!!! Didn't really have to "rent out space" because he put his brain on tape for us biggrin

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Reply #145 posted 05/16/18 5:11pm

luvgirl

violetcrush said:

luvgirl said:

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VioletCrush, Your interpretations of "I Hate You” in coalition to being about Susannah sounds as far-fetched and ridiculous to me as you thought PNV's IIWYG theory was. (Sorry)

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You say Susannah wasn’t in the spotlight? Didn't Prince try to situate Susannah in the spotlight too when he placed her in The Family to get some of that “Duran Duran money?" 'The project,' as you put it, just didn’t take off as everyone had hoped and was ultimately neglected - otherwise she would have certainly been in the spotlight.

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And NO, Strange Relationship wasn't just written in the time that Prince was with Vanity… lol. (That was cute... lol ) Strange Relationship was inspired by Vanity. (INSPIRED) I'm talking about Prince writing the lyrics to the song because they were in coalition to very specific emotions and events chronicled in his relationship with Vanity before he met SM or any of those other women you mention it could be about. Vanity will forever be the initial inspiration behind those lyrics and the song no matter who or what takes place afterward. Are all the songs you think was about SM really just for all women too, or is that acknowledgment just relegated to all the songs said to be inspired by Vanity? lol. smile

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The signification of my comment regarding how nasty the relationship was between Prince and Susannah was to accentuate that you shouldn’t knock others for romanticizing what you pointed out to be a dysfunctional relationship between Prince and Vanity, considering that you try to romanticize the unhealthy relationship that Prince and Susannah had as well.

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In regards to the comment that Prince made... What he really said was, "As much as we loved, we used to fight." Prince was conveying that even though he and Vanity shared a deep and passionate love for one another, they had a tumultuous relationship because Vanity was a force to be reckoned with.

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Actually, the notion of I Hate U is absolutely realistic based on the lyrics to the song. If you really listen to the words, and the way Prince is emoting it is clear he is singing about someone important to him from his past whom he lost but still really loves.

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Regarding Strange Relationship - there is video of Prince on the ONA tour in 2002 in Japan doing this song. Before he starts the song, he says to the crowd, "we're about to go way back - 1986 back". If he attached the song to Vanity's time I imagine he would have stated the year as 1982, not 1986. I have no doubt that many of the "relationship issues" with Vanity were similar to those with Susannah - monogamy, control, mood swings, etc. However, the song clearly had more significance to him during this time with Susannah. Same with Wonderful Ass - Lisa has stated she and Prince had fun re-recording this song, because both Wendy and Susannah had great asses. I'm sure the lyrics to that song applied to both as well. If those songs were so important to his time with Vanity I don't think he would have decided to use them again.

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Even with The Beautiful Ones - I am sure that Vanity and the film were some of the inspiration for the song, but most people in the camp at that time, including Susan Rogers, who spent the most time with him have stated his situation with Susannah also inspired that song. Susannah had a boyfriend when he began pursuing her. He wanted her to leave him. Even in Duane Tudhal's book it states that Roy Bennett, Brenda's husband, lighting director, and good friend to Prince stated Prince told him he was becoming overwhelmed by his feelings for her. Everyone is hanging on that Ebony magazine article, which Prince actually demanded be retracted just minutes after it was released. He was rambling throughout that interview and clearly not cohesive. Also, he and Susannah had had a falling out over using The Family name for the new records. She had also finally - after many years - started doing interviews and contributing to Biographies about Prince (Alan Light's and Matt Thorne's books) a couple of years prior. I'm sure Prince was less than thrilled about her discussing their relationship. In no way am I implying that the entire song was inspired by Susannah. However, I am sure that part of it was, as it was also a big part of what he was going through at the time that he wrote the song.

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And then there is Forever In My Life and Adore, which again, are always ignored by those who insist that Vanity was the only one he ever loved. But these songs undeniably reflect and clearly show his feelings for Susannah.

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Regarding The Family - Duran Duran money??? No clue what that comment implies. Yes, Prince did give Susannah the co-lead in that group, but she was not performing in lingerie. The Family was a serious project, made up of great singers and players, and they are still performing today, as I'm sure you know. The only reason they disbanded was because Paul Peterson was offered a solo deal and decided to pursue that option. Prince was busy filming UTCM in France, and did not have enough time to focus on promoting the band. They had started planning a second album before he left. And if you've heard the 1986 1st Avenue concert for the Parade tour you know how pissed off Prince was about Paul leaving the band. He wanted to continue that music.

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Lol, To be honest with you, I can't even take your comments on these songs seriously after going over this thread and seeing some of the songs you say are in connection to Susannah. You’re on a completely different stratosphere in your introspections. Holy crap! eek You’ve completely lost me. “Insatiable?” You’d find lyrics on ‘For You’ in connection to Susannah, lol. Bye Violetcrush, I'm out.

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Reply #146 posted 05/16/18 6:17pm

violetcrush

luvgirl said:

violetcrush said:

Actually, the notion of I Hate U is absolutely realistic based on the lyrics to the song. If you really listen to the words, and the way Prince is emoting it is clear he is singing about someone important to him from his past whom he lost but still really loves.

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Regarding Strange Relationship - there is video of Prince on the ONA tour in 2002 in Japan doing this song. Before he starts the song, he says to the crowd, "we're about to go way back - 1986 back". If he attached the song to Vanity's time I imagine he would have stated the year as 1982, not 1986. I have no doubt that many of the "relationship issues" with Vanity were similar to those with Susannah - monogamy, control, mood swings, etc. However, the song clearly had more significance to him during this time with Susannah. Same with Wonderful Ass - Lisa has stated she and Prince had fun re-recording this song, because both Wendy and Susannah had great asses. I'm sure the lyrics to that song applied to both as well. If those songs were so important to his time with Vanity I don't think he would have decided to use them again.

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Even with The Beautiful Ones - I am sure that Vanity and the film were some of the inspiration for the song, but most people in the camp at that time, including Susan Rogers, who spent the most time with him have stated his situation with Susannah also inspired that song. Susannah had a boyfriend when he began pursuing her. He wanted her to leave him. Even in Duane Tudhal's book it states that Roy Bennett, Brenda's husband, lighting director, and good friend to Prince stated Prince told him he was becoming overwhelmed by his feelings for her. Everyone is hanging on that Ebony magazine article, which Prince actually demanded be retracted just minutes after it was released. He was rambling throughout that interview and clearly not cohesive. Also, he and Susannah had had a falling out over using The Family name for the new records. She had also finally - after many years - started doing interviews and contributing to Biographies about Prince (Alan Light's and Matt Thorne's books) a couple of years prior. I'm sure Prince was less than thrilled about her discussing their relationship. In no way am I implying that the entire song was inspired by Susannah. However, I am sure that part of it was, as it was also a big part of what he was going through at the time that he wrote the song.

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And then there is Forever In My Life and Adore, which again, are always ignored by those who insist that Vanity was the only one he ever loved. But these songs undeniably reflect and clearly show his feelings for Susannah.

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Regarding The Family - Duran Duran money??? No clue what that comment implies. Yes, Prince did give Susannah the co-lead in that group, but she was not performing in lingerie. The Family was a serious project, made up of great singers and players, and they are still performing today, as I'm sure you know. The only reason they disbanded was because Paul Peterson was offered a solo deal and decided to pursue that option. Prince was busy filming UTCM in France, and did not have enough time to focus on promoting the band. They had started planning a second album before he left. And if you've heard the 1986 1st Avenue concert for the Parade tour you know how pissed off Prince was about Paul leaving the band. He wanted to continue that music.

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Lol, To be honest with you, I can't even take your comments on these songs seriously after going over this thread and seeing some of the songs you say are in connection to Susannah. You’re on a completely different stratosphere in your introspections. Holy crap! eek You’ve completely lost me. “Insatiable?” You’d find lyrics on ‘For You’ in connection to Susannah, lol. Bye Violetcrush, I'm out.

No, you mis-read my comment about For You. I was referring to Prince sharing his life within his lyrics and songs - that discussion had nothing to do with Susannah. Also, I did not state that I know who specifically inspired Insatiable - what I said was, based on the lyrics to both versions, it seems that he was with someone whom he had not seen in awhile - hence, "do you mind if I hold your hand? I just miss you, can you understand that?" And "You say you like my hair long? Then put the camera on it". Could have been Kim Basinger, could have been another woman....not sure. Pinkcashmere and I were having a conversation about the Summer of 1990, and the fact that Prince re-scheduled his Belgium show several times and ended up at the same venue with W&L on the same day. His show had originally been scheduled for a different venue. It was just joking around about him meeting up with Susannah while over there....

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From Princevault.com on his 1990 Nude Tour August 4th:

Trivia
  • This show was originally planned for 12 June 1990 in Vorst Nationaal / Forest National, Brussels. After that is was rescheduled to Festival Terrein, Werchter on the same date before finally being rescheduled to Festival Terrein, Werchter on 4 August 1990.

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Reply #147 posted 05/16/18 6:29pm

violetcrush

luvgirl said:

violetcrush said:

Actually, the notion of I Hate U is absolutely realistic based on the lyrics to the song. If you really listen to the words, and the way Prince is emoting it is clear he is singing about someone important to him from his past whom he lost but still really loves.

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Regarding Strange Relationship - there is video of Prince on the ONA tour in 2002 in Japan doing this song. Before he starts the song, he says to the crowd, "we're about to go way back - 1986 back". If he attached the song to Vanity's time I imagine he would have stated the year as 1982, not 1986. I have no doubt that many of the "relationship issues" with Vanity were similar to those with Susannah - monogamy, control, mood swings, etc. However, the song clearly had more significance to him during this time with Susannah. Same with Wonderful Ass - Lisa has stated she and Prince had fun re-recording this song, because both Wendy and Susannah had great asses. I'm sure the lyrics to that song applied to both as well. If those songs were so important to his time with Vanity I don't think he would have decided to use them again.

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Even with The Beautiful Ones - I am sure that Vanity and the film were some of the inspiration for the song, but most people in the camp at that time, including Susan Rogers, who spent the most time with him have stated his situation with Susannah also inspired that song. Susannah had a boyfriend when he began pursuing her. He wanted her to leave him. Even in Duane Tudhal's book it states that Roy Bennett, Brenda's husband, lighting director, and good friend to Prince stated Prince told him he was becoming overwhelmed by his feelings for her. Everyone is hanging on that Ebony magazine article, which Prince actually demanded be retracted just minutes after it was released. He was rambling throughout that interview and clearly not cohesive. Also, he and Susannah had had a falling out over using The Family name for the new records. She had also finally - after many years - started doing interviews and contributing to Biographies about Prince (Alan Light's and Matt Thorne's books) a couple of years prior. I'm sure Prince was less than thrilled about her discussing their relationship. In no way am I implying that the entire song was inspired by Susannah. However, I am sure that part of it was, as it was also a big part of what he was going through at the time that he wrote the song.

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And then there is Forever In My Life and Adore, which again, are always ignored by those who insist that Vanity was the only one he ever loved. But these songs undeniably reflect and clearly show his feelings for Susannah.

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Regarding The Family - Duran Duran money??? No clue what that comment implies. Yes, Prince did give Susannah the co-lead in that group, but she was not performing in lingerie. The Family was a serious project, made up of great singers and players, and they are still performing today, as I'm sure you know. The only reason they disbanded was because Paul Peterson was offered a solo deal and decided to pursue that option. Prince was busy filming UTCM in France, and did not have enough time to focus on promoting the band. They had started planning a second album before he left. And if you've heard the 1986 1st Avenue concert for the Parade tour you know how pissed off Prince was about Paul leaving the band. He wanted to continue that music.

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Lol, To be honest with you, I can't even take your comments on these songs seriously after going over this thread and seeing some of the songs you say are in connection to Susannah. You’re on a completely different stratosphere in your introspections. Holy crap! eek You’ve completely lost me. “Insatiable?” You’d find lyrics on ‘For You’ in connection to Susannah, lol. Bye Violetcrush, I'm out.

Here is my comment about the song For You, which was posted on the other Forum. The subject of the discussion was regarding the lyrics to his songs and how they pertain to his life. There was no discussion of any specific woman or time frame. And how would I possible associate that song with Susannah when it was recorded 5 years prior to meeting her???

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Posted on the other Forum:

I think you are correct. Prince has stated on various occasions, "If you want to know about my life listen to my music - it's all in there" On his first album the lyrics to the song "For You" are:

All this and more is for you

With love, sincerity, and deepest care

My life with you I share

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He communicated through music - even to those with whom he was personally involved at the time of writing the song. No doubt many of his songs were inspired by, or specific stories about certain people in his life.

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violetcrush said:

luvgirl said:

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Lol, To be honest with you, I can't even take your comments on these songs seriously after going over this thread and seeing some of the songs you say are in connection to Susannah. You’re on a completely different stratosphere in your introspections. Holy crap! eek You’ve completely lost me. “Insatiable?” You’d find lyrics on ‘For You’ in connection to Susannah, lol. Bye Violetcrush, I'm out.

No, you mis-read my comment about For You. I was referring to Prince sharing his life within his lyrics and songs - that discussion had nothing to do with Susannah. Also, I did not state that I know who specifically inspired Insatiable - what I said was, based on the lyrics to both versions, it seems that he was with someone whom he had not seen in awhile - hence, "do you mind if I hold your hand? I just miss you, can you understand that?" And "You say you like my hair long? Then put the camera on it". Could have been Kim Basinger, could have been another woman....not sure. Pinkcashmere and I were having a conversation about the Summer of 1990, and the fact that Prince re-scheduled his Belgium show several times and ended up at the same venue with W&L on the same day. His show had originally been scheduled for a different venue. It was just joking around about him meeting up with Susannah while over there....

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From Princevault.com on his 1990 Nude Tour August 4th:

Trivia
  • This show was originally planned for 12 June 1990 in Vorst Nationaal / Forest National, Brussels. After that is was rescheduled to Festival Terrein, Werchter on the same date before finally being rescheduled to Festival Terrein, Werchter on 4 August 1990.

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Was it ever mentioned why the shows were rescheduled? I haven't heard the other version of Insatiable. In fact I didn't know there were two until you posted about it. smile

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Reply #149 posted 05/16/18 7:11pm

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pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

No, you mis-read my comment about For You. I was referring to Prince sharing his life within his lyrics and songs - that discussion had nothing to do with Susannah. Also, I did not state that I know who specifically inspired Insatiable - what I said was, based on the lyrics to both versions, it seems that he was with someone whom he had not seen in awhile - hence, "do you mind if I hold your hand? I just miss you, can you understand that?" And "You say you like my hair long? Then put the camera on it". Could have been Kim Basinger, could have been another woman....not sure. Pinkcashmere and I were having a conversation about the Summer of 1990, and the fact that Prince re-scheduled his Belgium show several times and ended up at the same venue with W&L on the same day. His show had originally been scheduled for a different venue. It was just joking around about him meeting up with Susannah while over there....

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From Princevault.com on his 1990 Nude Tour August 4th:

Trivia
  • This show was originally planned for 12 June 1990 in Vorst Nationaal / Forest National, Brussels. After that is was rescheduled to Festival Terrein, Werchter on the same date before finally being rescheduled to Festival Terrein, Werchter on 4 August 1990.

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Was it ever mentioned why the shows were rescheduled? I haven't heard the other version of Insatiable. In fact I didn't know there were two until you posted about it. smile

It does not specify the reason - just what it states above. I find it very interesting though. His show in Belgium was not even scheduled to be in Werchter Belgium - it was scheduled to be in Brussels. Also, the show in Werchter was an outdoor music festival. Prince was playing large arena shows in Europe back then. Just a bit of a coinkydink is all I'm saying wink

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Yes, there is an extended version of Insatiable which is longer with different spoken word. Search on YT for "Insatiable Extended and you should find it.

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