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Reply #150 posted 07/16/17 6:54am

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Superfan1984 said:

sonshine said:

PennyPurple said: I believe the wedding gifted song was "Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife"

Yes, that was to her. I wonder why that wasn't the name of her book? I think it would have been better- a song that she knew was for her as opposed to one that a lot of women thought was about them. I remember hearing on a Current Affair, back in the day that the most beautiful was about Vanessa Marcil.

Might be a title that isn't realistic in the whole picture. As she was no longer lover sister mother wife.

Most Beautiful Life covers before Prince during and after.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #151 posted 07/16/17 10:22am

Superfan1984

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Superfan1984 said:

Yes, that was to her. I wonder why that wasn't the name of her book? I think it would have been better- a song that she knew was for her as opposed to one that a lot of women thought was about them. I remember hearing on a Current Affair, back in the day that the most beautiful was about Vanessa Marcil.

Might be a title that isn't realistic in the whole picture. As she was no longer lover sister mother wife.

Most Beautiful Life covers before Prince during and after.

I don't think it would have been off the mark at all- after all this book is not about what she is to him NOW but what she was to him THEN- really, all she wrote about was their time together THEN, 20 years ago- so, I think that title would have been better. Oh well, just my opinion.

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Reply #152 posted 07/16/17 2:59pm

Vashtix

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Toban said:

Empathy...

Regarding “The turning point.”

She wanted to, she needed too, and she knew the two of them couldn’t or shouldn’t continue on as they had been. Evidently they each enabled other’s bad behavior.

It was and wasn’t Kim actually, but rather that routine situation she had so often found herself in.

If you recall at all how it all began?

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I don’t remember how she wrote it exactly… and still it wasn’t what she wrote but more what it implied in why she wrote it. As if she had finally recognized the chain events were cyclical, that they had gone full circle and it was time to get off the Merry-Go-Round.

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I know it’s frustrating, not having her exact words on the matter, as to why she select this moment to be their last and if it was? When did she decide to do this? Did she tell him, when did he learn of it or when did he realize it and when did it sink in?

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She did write a short story about them, that I haven’t gotten around to reading. called The Black Box. I assumed it was some tragic cautionary tale about love and lost. I flipped through it but at that time I just wasn’t ready to read it. Mainly because below the title on the front page she had written something like “When a plane goes down all that’s left is “The Black Box.” That was just a bit too much for me at the time.

However, going by other things she had said and written I would guess that, what made this event with Kim Basinger “the turning point” or different then all the rest is… is that it wasn’t.

It was a pattern.

As a pattern of practice, it doesn’t really matter if this occurred in 1989 when he was still seeing Kim or if it were after it had ended, Kim was still calling… which meant something. It should have meant something.

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Denise had ready began to hate Vanity. She hated her drug use and she hated the direction of her career as Vanity (i.e. type casted as a sexy vixen, which always requiring nude scenes). For too long she had looked outside of herself to fill an emptiness and tried to fix it with money, a man or drugs.

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From Susan in 83 to Kim Basinger in 89, it’s not that nothing much had changed, it’s that he and her somehow fell into a routine.

Even DeBorah dates one of their events with her returning from modeling in Italy and being picked up at the airport by her and Prince.

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Denise wrote that she and Susan consoled each other regarding him. Prince was being Prince then and he was still being himself on this particular tryst.

However, Denise writing about it as being significant signifies a difference, a change… in herself.

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Way back then, in her consoling Susan it reveals Denise as initially being compassionate and that she had empathy, feeling sorry for her and the other woman that followed. Which occurred during that period of his D-construction of Denise and his creation of the star called Vanity. Only now becoming fully aware of the cost. All the scars on her heart from all the many fractures and breaks along her journey had healed callous.

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The pattern she had fallen into had gone full circle. Missing who she had been when it all began, she search to finding herself, that person she’d lost…

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The phone ringing was annoying, but she was used to it and probably thought it was just some woman, some girl, no doubt some desperate fixated fan who didn’t know him at all. The type she had thought nothing about these past many years as she passed or stepped over them as they stood or slept in the hallway outside his hotel room.

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The turning point, the difference this time in hear her name…

It was the revelation in the recognition of something familiar that she missed about herself and thought forever lost beneath callous.

… as she had with Susan when it all began, she recognized, remember and felt Kim’s pain.

Hi Toban,

Hope you enjoyed our honeymoon and visiting the ruins.

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The information you recently shared about Vanity/Denise made me ponder about her as a woman.

Listening to her sermons she says often that she hated having to take her clothes off all the time. Per what you shared the seeds of tiring of the Vanity persona was happening within her way before she even left Hollywood for Jesus.

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I was also intrigued by the “Black Box”. The Black Box is used to find out what went on prior to the plane

Crashing; maybe her fictional essay is about how it went down between her and Prince prior to crashing.

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You mentioned empathy she had for Kim Bassinger. It has been said Kim Bassinger had a bad time after Prince, was that what caused the empathy from Vanity or did Kim find out Prince was still seeing Vanity ?

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Oh and the white snake info was priceless! I was laughing out loud with that- My kind of person!

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Did does she mention when she finally cut things off from Prince?

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Thanks for the information you shared so far.

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Reply #153 posted 07/16/17 7:51pm

Superfan1984

I have not read through this entire thread- I respectfully ask: Who is Toban to Denise? thank you-

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Reply #154 posted 07/16/17 8:15pm

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I have not read through this entire thread- I respectfully ask: Who is Toban to Denise? thank you-

He was her brother in law, more like a brother to her. She left him some items after she died, when he has time, he reads thru some of the things she left him. Nice guy & I believe he is a poet. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong.

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Reply #155 posted 07/16/17 8:17pm

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Hi Toban,

Hope you enjoyed our honeymoon and visiting the ruins.

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The information you recently shared about Vanity/Denise made me ponder about her as a woman.

Listening to her sermons she says often that she hated having to take her clothes off all the time. Per what you shared the seeds of tiring of the Vanity persona was happening within her way before she even left Hollywood for Jesus.

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I was also intrigued by the “Black Box”. The Black Box is used to find out what went on prior to the plane

Crashing; maybe her fictional essay is about how it went down between her and Prince prior to crashing.

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You mentioned empathy she had for Kim Bassinger. It has been said Kim Bassinger had a bad time after Prince, was that what caused the empathy from Vanity or did Kim find out Prince was still seeing Vanity ?

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Oh and the white snake info was priceless! I was laughing out loud with that- My kind of person!

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Did does she mention when she finally cut things off from Prince?

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Thanks for the information you shared so far.

I kinda think that Prince was just as excited as Denise was to see her at that award show. Especially since he gave her a rose and a white snake.

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Reply #156 posted 07/16/17 10:56pm

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Toban said:



OldFriends4Sale said:




Shard said:





That really must have been awkward for Denise because I'm sure ran into several of the women Prince was seeing. We know she became friends with Susan Moonsie, Jill Jones and Sheila E but there were many others.



Also, you might be interested to know that Nikki Sixx wrote in his book 10 years ago that Prince sent Denise flowers while they were together.





I always wanted to know what it was like for her to have to present the award to Prince & the Revolution for the Purple Rain movie



They all seemed very warm and friendly. And I know that night had them full of nerves. I believe even Prince had a hard time speaking.









She writes about this. It how she initially opened her autobiography beginning with that particular night.


She wrote in great detail about how excited she was to see them all and how she felt about seeing him. Wondering if that night could some how help heal the harms done.


That when she was ask to be a presenter she said she would only do it if she could present it to Prince, and with that knowledge she spent the entire day preparing and dressing for that night, that moment.





Thanks for posting Toban. I always thought that a lot of Prince's behavior came from the fact that he was so young I mean when they first met they were in their early 20's. Being in love can be so overwhelming at times. Denise was very special to Prince. I've always known that. From the moment I saw the two of them on the cover of the infamous Rolling Stones mag I was like okay they are a couple.....a very beautiful one at that. Throw in all the beautiful heartfelt songs he wrote about her over the yrs. The love was mutual.
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Reply #157 posted 07/17/17 12:13am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Toban said:

She writes about this. It how she initially opened her autobiography beginning with that particular night.

She wrote in great detail about how excited she was to see them all and how she felt about seeing him. Wondering if that night could some how help heal the harms done.

That when she was ask to be a presenter she said she would only do it if she could present it to Prince, and with that knowledge she spent the entire day preparing and dressing for that night, that moment.

thanks 4 posting that.
I've always wondered about it.
I read some stuff from different Revolution members with pleasant things about seeing her that night, and their nerves even more.

It all felt really genuine. And then seeing Vanity celebrating with Brenda & Apollonia

yeahthat

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
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Reply #158 posted 07/17/17 3:26am

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Toban said:

As it seems relevant to the discussion… let me add this.


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Today I just discovered that Vanity and Prince continued to be romantically involved/intimate still seeing each other up into 1989.


I finally found a moment to read one of Denise earliest (typewritten) editions.


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Describing the story / Not quoting.


Vanity had gotten tired of his phone ringing all night and into the morning. And though he may have trusted her not to stress him about women, it probably crossed his mind that “Vanity” would answer his phone. Prince just said don’t worry about it, it’s only Kim Basinger.


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Quoting what she wrote would lead to another subject and that to other. I’m just try to stay on topic and trying to avoid having to put out a book.


As a Poet, for me the subject and question being, what mused those two and what drew those two?




Thanks for adding this information. So good to know that he helped her with her bills and stated in touch.
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Reply #159 posted 07/17/17 4:54am

Vashtix

laurarichardson said:

Toban said:

As it seems relevant to the discussion… let me add this.

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Today I just discovered that Vanity and Prince continued to be romantically involved/intimate still seeing each other up into 1989.

I finally found a moment to read one of Denise earliest (typewritten) editions.

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Describing the story / Not quoting.

Vanity had gotten tired of his phone ringing all night and into the morning. And though he may have trusted her not to stress him about women, it probably crossed his mind that “Vanity” would answer his phone. Prince just said don’t worry about it, it’s only Kim Basinger.

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Quoting what she wrote would lead to another subject and that to other. I’m just try to stay on topic and trying to avoid having to put out a book.

As a Poet, for me the subject and question being, what mused those two and what drew those two?

Thanks for adding this information. So good to know that he helped her with her bills and stated in touch.

Laura where did you read Prince helped with bills, I missed that- thks

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Reply #160 posted 07/17/17 9:55am

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Vashtix said:

laurarichardson said:

Toban said: Thanks for adding this information. So good to know that he helped her with her bills and stated in touch.

Laura where did you read Prince helped with bills, I missed that- thks

In another post that was deleted it was mentioned that medical bills vanished. It is an assumption.

[Edited 7/17/17 9:56am]

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Reply #161 posted 07/17/17 12:07pm

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PennyPurple said:

Superfan1984 said:

I have not read through this entire thread- I respectfully ask: Who is Toban to Denise? thank you-

He was her brother in law, more like a brother to her. She left him some items after she died, when he has time, he reads thru some of the things she left him. Nice guy & I believe he is a poet. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong.

thank you, Penny smile

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Reply #162 posted 07/17/17 1:57pm

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laurarichardson said:

Vashtix said:

Laura where did you read Prince helped with bills, I missed that- thks

In another post that was deleted it was mentioned that medical bills vanished. It is an assumption.

[Edited 7/17/17 9:56am]

Denise mentioned in her preachings about IRS debts in the 10s of thousands or more being erased, more than once. She also mentioned medical bills in 100s of thousands- also having been taken care of. She credited Jesus. Toban did mention wondering if Prince had paid some because there was not a money/ paper trail to account for pay offs. He'll correct me if I'm remembering that wrong.

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Reply #163 posted 07/17/17 6:22pm

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laurarichardson said:




Vashtix said:



Laura where did you read Prince helped with bills, I missed that- thks



In another post that was deleted it was mentioned that medical bills vanished. It is an assumption.


[Edited 7/17/17 9:56am]




Denise mentioned in her preachings about IRS debts in the 10s of thousands or more being erased, more than once. She also mentioned medical bills in 100s of thousands- also having been taken care of. She credited Jesus. Toban did mention wondering if Prince had paid some because there was not a money/ paper trail to account for pay offs. He'll correct me if I'm remembering that wrong.


Yes, he wondered if it was Prince since we now know he paid off medical bills for people.
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Reply #164 posted 07/18/17 3:54am

Vashtix

Toban said:

As it seems relevant to the discussion… let me add this.

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Today I just discovered that Vanity and Prince continued to be romantically involved/intimate still seeing each other up into 1989.

I finally found a moment to read one of Denise earliest (typewritten) editions.

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Describing the story / Not quoting.

Vanity had gotten tired of his phone ringing all night and into the morning. And though he may have trusted her not to stress him about women, it probably crossed his mind that “Vanity” would answer his phone. Prince just said don’t worry about it, it’s only Kim Basinger.

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Quoting what she wrote would lead to another subject and that to other. I’m just try to stay on topic and trying to avoid having to put out a book.

As a Poet, for me the subject and question being, what mused those two and what drew those two?

The bolded is my fascination too. I call them twin flames. I think they a big part of themselves in one another. I am not a poet or an artist so you would know more about the muse but they brought out something that the masses were drawn too.

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Reply #165 posted 07/23/17 8:18pm

Toban

Vashtix said:

Toban said:

As it seems relevant to the discussion… let me add this.

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Today I just discovered that Vanity and Prince continued to be romantically involved/intimate still seeing each other up into 1989.

I finally found a moment to read one of Denise earliest (typewritten) editions.

.

Describing the story / Not quoting.

Vanity had gotten tired of his phone ringing all night and into the morning. And though he may have trusted her not to stress him about women, it probably crossed his mind that “Vanity” would answer his phone. Prince just said don’t worry about it, it’s only Kim Basinger.

.

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Quoting what she wrote would lead to another subject and that to other. I’m just try to stay on topic and trying to avoid having to put out a book.

As a Poet, for me the subject and question being, what mused those two and what drew those two?

The bolded is my fascination too. I call them twin flames. I think they a big part of themselves in one another. I am not a poet or an artist so you would know more about the muse but they brought out something that the masses were drawn too.

I had never had a reason to ask questions about Vanity and Prince other than to ask a question for clarity during a conversation when I was being told a story about a particular event.

DeBorah has various methods of remembering when Prince and Vanity were together. One I mentioned earlier, which was associated with DeBorah returning from Italy and being picked up by them.

The method that I found the most intriguing was all of her Backstage Passes to Prince Concerts.

She’s had these things hanging around for the past 25 years, pinned to the walls, mixed up with belts, on coat and tie racks, and for all these years I never paid much attention to them.

Deborah never went to a Prince Concert without Vanity. Each time she went to his concert Vanity and Prince were together.

I haven’t seen them in a few years, but I am certain that LoveSexy was on one of those Passes.

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What drew them? It's both simple and complicated.

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Thank you for the Well Wishes, Cancun, the Mayan Temples and Pyramids were amazing.

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I was supposed to write my wedding vows, but didn't.

So I made certain that she said her vows first. I said ditto to every she said

and I then sang "Forever in My Life." Which is what I really wanted to do anyway.

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Reply #166 posted 07/24/17 4:42pm

Vashtix

Toban said:

Vashtix said:

The bolded is my fascination too. I call them twin flames. I think they a big part of themselves in one another. I am not a poet or an artist so you would know more about the muse but they brought out something that the masses were drawn too.

I had never had a reason to ask questions about Vanity and Prince other than to ask a question for clarity during a conversation when I was being told a story about a particular event.

DeBorah has various methods of remembering when Prince and Vanity were together. One I mentioned earlier, which was associated with DeBorah returning from Italy and being picked up by them.

The method that I found the most intriguing was all of her Backstage Passes to Prince Concerts.

She’s had these things hanging around for the past 25 years, pinned to the walls, mixed up with belts, on coat and tie racks, and for all these years I never paid much attention to them.

Deborah never went to a Prince Concert without Vanity. Each time she went to his concert Vanity and Prince were together.

I haven’t seen them in a few years, but I am certain that LoveSexy was on one of those Passes.

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What drew them? It's both simple and complicated.

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Thank you for the Well Wishes, Cancun, the Mayan Temples and Pyramids were amazing.

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I was supposed to write my wedding vows, but didn't.

So I made certain that she said her vows first. I said ditto to every she said

and I then sang "Forever in My Life." Which is what I really wanted to do anyway.

WOW . . . such a romantic song, great choice! I can imagine many tears of joy and happiness with lyrics like those.

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Your information about the LoveSexy era blew me away; I always thought he was with someone else during this time but this means Vanity was around when Under The Cherry Moon was filmed too per your timeline. It always confirms to me what I suspected that they told the public one thing (they do not see other, do not talk) and did another. I like them being private. Seems Prince showed the public exactly what he wanted, how he wanted, where and when. I guess what he sold we believed and her too.

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I'll bite at this one . . . what do ou perceive drew them? You said it is complicated and simple. It boggles my mind due to his harem lifestyle.

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