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Thread started 06/06/17 3:16am

PURPLEIZED3121

Does Kirky J drumming on the NPG tour put you off going?..

I was so excited when this was announced....that band with Michael B on the skins was a powerhouse. Seen them many times over the years, met them/talked to them etc so was ready to get tix. Then..I see KJ is the drummer & I had an immediate feeling of discomfort..rightly or wrongly. Given the circumstances which are grey at best, the rumours etc it puts me off totally & I wont be going. The flipside is that you can assume that he has been asked by the band & they are comfortable with him there. Either way until he is in the clear I cannot support them. How about you?

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Reply #1 posted 06/06/17 5:59am

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Reply #2 posted 06/06/17 5:46pm

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No. I'd rather see Michael B drumming than Kirk, but it wouldn't bother me if Kirk was drumming.

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Reply #3 posted 06/06/17 5:52pm

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No, and I thought it would, but then I saw this clip...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF72XOj293g

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Reply #4 posted 06/06/17 11:01pm

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No, of course not.

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Reply #5 posted 06/07/17 2:54am

robertgeorge

It gave me a pause for less than half a second. For most people, Michael B would be the preeminent NPG drummer. However, if I was lucky enough to be in the vicinity of the concerts I would be honored to see Kirky J and the rest of the band. He paid his dues, and my ambiguity about Emancipations production aside, he paid his dues and was there for Prince in a lot of situations. I mean he was the best man at P's wedding to Mayte.

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Reply #6 posted 06/07/17 6:04am

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Not at all. All due respect, I don't need a scapegoat for the fact that Prince passed away.
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Reply #7 posted 07/09/17 5:58pm

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I am sad that Michael - my fave drummer - isnt there.
Was it Kirky J at the Hyde Park show? If so, he is drumming a lot better than I expected

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Reply #8 posted 07/11/17 3:29pm

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I willl keep it totally 100-yes I would at least think about not going to the NPG concert if I saw that Kirky J was the drummer. Actually, I am not that excited about the NPG so it would be another reason not to go see them. At the tribute concert in October, they switched drummers and didn't announce that Kirk was playing. No one said anything about who was on drums the entire time and you could see him clearly.

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Reply #9 posted 07/11/17 6:23pm

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The NPG is ultra cool. They are performing the hits and songs that werent big hits of the 80s, like ´Uptown´ AND stuff from the 90s like Call the Law, 7, Live 4 Love, Gett Off.

Kip Blackshire does good job, but I would go because these guys are extremely funky.

[Edited 7/11/17 18:23pm]

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Reply #10 posted 07/11/17 6:57pm

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Miss Michael, but it´s funky stuff.

[Edited 7/11/17 18:58pm]

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Reply #11 posted 07/12/17 7:08am

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Michael Bland ?
I remember seeing someone on the drums at the Tribute last year, and wondering who was that.
It cannot be healthy for him to be that big

michaelbland.jpg?w=620

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Reply #12 posted 07/12/17 7:56am

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Yes, he is huge. If you saw him on the Michel Portal booklet...

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Reply #13 posted 07/13/17 6:22pm

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Kirks drumming was always fine, And Micheals' huge talent was recognized and loved by Prince. We are all different, for different reasons, all love for the beautiful music we've been blessed with heart music headbang

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Reply #14 posted 07/13/17 7:39pm

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Yes. I'm sympathetic to the situation Kirk was in... to a point. At the end of the day I just don't want to see him. He enabled, he lied to investigators, he was part of the problem... just YUKK!

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Reply #15 posted 07/14/17 4:05pm

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luvparade said:

Kirks drumming was always fine, And Micheals' huge talent was recognized and loved by Prince. We are all different, for different reasons, all love for the beautiful music we've been blessed with heart music headbang



MB is my favorite but Kirk is good IMO. biggrin


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Reply #16 posted 07/14/17 4:06pm

babynoz

GustavoRibas said:

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Miss Michael, but it´s funky stuff.

[Edited 7/11/17 18:58pm]




Thanks bro, I needed that.

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Reply #17 posted 07/14/17 4:09pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Michael Bland though is HUGE.
I remember seeing someone on the drums at the Tribute last year, and wondering who was that.
It cannot be healthy for him to be that big



Imma need to you to please edit this post dude. I'm not amused about fat shaming MB and his weight is nothing to do with the thread. eek

You know good and well that if anybody said one word calling wendy ugly or something you would lose your isht so stoppit.

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Reply #18 posted 07/14/17 4:13pm

babynoz

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

I was so excited when this was announced....that band with Michael B on the skins was a powerhouse. Seen them many times over the years, met them/talked to them etc so was ready to get tix. Then..I see KJ is the drummer & I had an immediate feeling of discomfort..rightly or wrongly. Given the circumstances which are grey at best, the rumours etc it puts me off totally & I wont be going. The flipside is that you can assume that he has been asked by the band & they are comfortable with him there. Either way until he is in the clear I cannot support them. How about you?



If they ever show up here I would probably go.

Until they indict the guy or something I am not going to convict him.

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Reply #19 posted 07/14/17 4:41pm

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babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Michael Bland ?
I remember seeing someone on the drums at the Tribute last year, and wondering who was that.
It cannot be healthy for him to be that big

michaelbland.jpg?w=620



Imma need to you to please edit this post dude. I'm not amused about fat shaming MB and his weight is nothing to do with the thread. eek

You know good and well that if anybody said one word calling wendy ugly or something you would lose your isht so stoppit.

I don't fat shame, and this isn't fat shaming. this is concern, I was really shocked and concerned

Bobby Z almost died and part of it was his diet and such, and I was/am concerned.
I would not call Kirk ugly(I don't call anyone ugly), nor did I call him fat. That is isn't my language. So that last part is/well it is all wrong Babynoz. That is not my thought process.

about 6-7 years ago I'm at my parents house, at the dinner table with my dad and my younger brother. Now my ole man has always been slim. But solid. I looked over at him and in my head I shout 'Oh my God, he is skin and bones' ... that isn't skinny shaming. He was literally bones with skin hanging off him, acting as if nothing was wrong. Come to find out he had a bleeding ulcer and almost died. My reaction was not shaming, it was shock and concern.

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Reply #20 posted 07/14/17 5:00pm

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Kirk was drumming well in Prince's final band.
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Reply #21 posted 07/14/17 5:09pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:



Imma need to you to please edit this post dude. I'm not amused about fat shaming MB and his weight is nothing to do with the thread. eek

You know good and well that if anybody said one word calling wendy ugly or something you would lose your isht so stoppit.

I don't fat shame, and this isn't fat shaming. this is concern, I was really shocked and concerned

Bobby Z almost died and part of it was his diet and such, and I was/am concerned.
I would not call Kirk ugly(I don't call anyone ugly), nor did I call him fat. That is isn't my language. So that last part is/well it is all wrong Babynoz. That is not my thought process.

about 6-7 years ago I'm at my parents house, at the dinner table with my dad and my younger brother. Now my ole man has always been slim. But solid. I looked over at him and in my head I shout 'Oh my God, he is skin and bones' ... that isn't skinny shaming. He was literally bones with skin hanging off him, acting as if nothing was wrong. Come to find out he had a bleeding ulcer and almost died. My reaction was not shaming, it was shock and concern.



Not saying that it was intentional on your part but I remember that MB has posted on here answering questions many times in the past and we don't know whether or not he still visits.

He knows what size he is, bro. Please edit out the "huge" talk. You always lecture us about getting too personal and the thread is about Kirk.

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Reply #22 posted 07/14/17 6:07pm

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babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't fat shame, and this isn't fat shaming. this is concern, I was really shocked and concerned

Bobby Z almost died and part of it was his diet and such, and I was/am concerned.
I would not call Kirk ugly(I don't call anyone ugly), nor did I call him fat. That is isn't my language. So that last part is/well it is all wrong Babynoz. That is not my thought process.

about 6-7 years ago I'm at my parents house, at the dinner table with my dad and my younger brother. Now my ole man has always been slim. But solid. I looked over at him and in my head I shout 'Oh my God, he is skin and bones' ... that isn't skinny shaming. He was literally bones with skin hanging off him, acting as if nothing was wrong. Come to find out he had a bleeding ulcer and almost died. My reaction was not shaming, it was shock and concern.



Not saying that it was intentional on your part but I remember that MB has posted on here answering questions many times in the past and we don't know whether or not he still visits.

He knows what size he is, bro. Please edit out the "huge" talk. You always lecture us about getting too personal and the thread is about Kirk.

I don't lecture anyone about getting to personal with 'celebs'

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and I remember on the org when there were threads of the Revolution reuniting with Prince or even after he died. People were making comments about them being/looking old or fat. And I don't remember anyone rebuking them or demanding them to edit their posts.

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Can you imagine a one off comeback gig??

Dr Fink, overweight and squeezed into his old suit like a green balloon about to burst.

Bobby Z strapped up to a heart monitor.

^(I believe this was a year after Bobby Z actually had a heart attack)

There is a lot of ageism comments that never make sense.

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The Revolution members are too old anyway. Have you seen them?

not trying to be mean but its crazy how much older his former bandmates look compared to him...

i wouldn't want him only playing songs pre 1987 with old people (people who look way older than him). that's old.

First of all, Bobby probably isn't healthy enough for a long full scale tour. And his quality of drumming can't possibly be close to what it was for more than 45 minutes.

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where were U about th fat shaming and ageism?

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But just 4 u this time. I will remove the HUGE part.

If he reads this he'll my response is about health concern

What's the matter with your life
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Reply #23 posted 07/14/17 6:28pm

babynoz

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:



Not saying that it was intentional on your part but I remember that MB has posted on here answering questions many times in the past and we don't know whether or not he still visits.

He knows what size he is, bro. Please edit out the "huge" talk. You always lecture us about getting too personal and the thread is about Kirk.

I don't lecture anyone about getting to personal with 'celebs'

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and I remember on the org when there were threads of the Revolution reuniting with Prince or even after he died. People were making comments about them being/looking old or fat. And I don't remember anyone rebuking them or demanding them to edit their posts.

.

Can you imagine a one off comeback gig??

Dr Fink, overweight and squeezed into his old suit like a green balloon about to burst.

Bobby Z strapped up to a heart monitor.

^(I believe this was a year after Bobby Z actually had a heart attack)

There is a lot of ageism comments that never make sense.

.

The Revolution members are too old anyway. Have you seen them?

not trying to be mean but its crazy how much older his former bandmates look compared to him...

i wouldn't want him only playing songs pre 1987 with old people (people who look way older than him). that's old.

First of all, Bobby probably isn't healthy enough for a long full scale tour. And his quality of drumming can't possibly be close to what it was for more than 45 minutes.

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where were U about th fat shaming and ageism?

.

But just 4 u this time. I will remove the HUGE part.

If he reads this he'll my response is about health concern



Thanks for editing, but please clarify that the words in blue were NOT written by me. I do not know who said those things or why and you haven't linked to those threads so I cannot give you an answer.

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Reply #24 posted 07/14/17 6:51pm

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babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't lecture anyone about getting to personal with 'celebs'

.

\

and I remember on the org when there were threads of the Revolution reuniting with Prince or even after he died. People were making comments about them being/looking old or fat. And I don't remember anyone rebuking them or demanding them to edit their posts.

.

*Can you imagine a one off comeback gig??

*Dr Fink, overweight and squeezed into his old suit like a green balloon about to burst.

*Bobby Z strapped up to a heart monitor.

^(I believe this was a year after Bobby Z actually had a heart attack)

There is a lot of ageism comments that never make sense.

.

*The Revolution members are too old anyway. Have you seen them?

*not trying to be mean but its crazy how much older his former bandmates look compared to him...

*i wouldn't want him only playing songs pre 1987 with old people (people who look way older than him). that's old.

*First of all, Bobby probably isn't healthy enough for a long full scale tour. And his quality of drumming can't possibly be close to what it was for more than 45 minutes.

.

where were U about th fat shaming and ageism?

.

But just 4 u this time. I will remove the HUGE part.

If he reads this he'll my response is about health concern



Thanks for editing, but please clarify that the words in blue were NOT written by me. I do not know who said those things or why and you haven't linked to those threads so I cannot give you an answer.

I said where were U on these quotes of fat shaming and ageism. And making fun of someones health condition. So no it is not U saying it.
And I know you have read many of these in connection to the Revolution members especially since he died.

They are fat shaming and agist things said by Org members about associate artists. Only thing, these are fat shaming posts. With the intent of fat shaming.

Well anyone I removed the word huge.

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Reply #25 posted 07/14/17 7:10pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:



Thanks for editing, but please clarify that the words in blue were NOT written by me. I do not know who said those things or why and you haven't linked to those threads so I cannot give you an answer.

I said where were U on these quotes of fat shaming and ageism. And making fun of someones health condition. So no it is not U saying it.
And I know you have read many of these in connection to the Revolution members especially since he died.

They are fat shaming and agist things said by Org members about associate artists. Only thing, these are fat shaming posts. With the intent of fat shaming.

Well anyone I removed the word huge.



Thank you.

There have been threads where someone made mean comments such as most of the threads calling Prince's relatives out of their names and I have spoken up about it. I do not frequent most W&L threads and since you did not link, I can't look to see if I read those comments. Generally speaking I would say that calling BobbyZ old and fat is out of line.

No worries. Apologies to the OP. I shall cease and desist jacking his thread.

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Reply #26 posted 07/18/17 5:22am

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Yes. I'm sympathetic to the situation Kirk was in... to a point. At the end of the day I just don't want to see him. He enabled, he lied to investigators, he was part of the problem... just YUKK!

i genuinley have mixed feelings on this now. Thinking about how close Andre was to him..as indeed the rest of the NPG current line up were..surely if something was 'off' i.e. he was an enabler / supplier etc the NPG members wouldn't go near him. If nothing else this gives me some degree of comfort i.e. if they are OK with him then I guess we should be?

Just bloody hard after seeing 'that' interview...'"Kirky's got a vault" quaote still makes me feel sick.

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Reply #27 posted 07/18/17 7:34am

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Just a note: I dont have nothing personal against Kirk. It´s musical. I always felt he wasnt a great drummer like Michael, Sheila and Blackwell. Same feeling I have about Bobby.
And Michael and Sonny were my fave rhythm section ever. So, it would be frustrating to see the NPG without them, but I would go anyway.

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Reply #28 posted 07/18/17 7:55am

PURPLEIZED3121

slightly off subject but I a glad that Michale Bland will be part of the tour rota with the NPG. Seen them many times on TGE tour / after shows etc & as we all he know he is a beast of a drummer!

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Reply #29 posted 07/18/17 10:03am

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One of the most disheartening things about Prince's death has been people's indifference to accountability. I don't need anyone to got to jail, but I would feel better about his associates intentions if people like Meron and Kirk Johnson weren't at least asked by Prince's musical associates to explain or account for enabling Prince's addiction. Maybe, Kirk did express regret for mistakes made to the NPG folks but he certainly did not so to the public. If his attitude was the same to them as it was in that ET interview, than I have no respect for anyone of those folks exploiting Prince with little regard for the tragedy of his death.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

funksterr said:

Yes. I'm sympathetic to the situation Kirk was in... to a point. At the end of the day I just don't want to see him. He enabled, he lied to investigators, he was part of the problem... just YUKK!

i genuinley have mixed feelings on this now. Thinking about how close Andre was to him..as indeed the rest of the NPG current line up were..surely if something was 'off' i.e. he was an enabler / supplier etc the NPG members wouldn't go near him. If nothing else this gives me some degree of comfort i.e. if they are OK with him then I guess we should be?

Just bloody hard after seeing 'that' interview...'"Kirky's got a vault" quaote still makes me feel sick.

[Edited 7/18/17 10:50am]

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