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Thread started 04/16/17 9:02am

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AP article--investigaters have not interviewed one of his "key associates" yet..why are they treading so lightly?

http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...nces-death

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Nearly a year after Prince died from an accidental drug overdose in his suburban Minneapolis studio and estate, investigators still don't know how he got the fentanyl that killed him.

An official with knowledge of the investigation told The Associated Press that authorities still haven't interviewed a key associate who was with Prince in his final days, and they haven't asked a grand jury to investigate. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

Prince was 57 when he was found alone and unresponsive in an elevator at Paisley Park on April 21.

Criminal justice experts say the pace of the investigation doesn't necessarily mean it's in trouble or that no one will be charged. Tracking illegally obtained pills is complex, and prosecutors want to be sure before filing charges

Is one of these "key associates" famous or something? What are they so afraid of--the person fleeing? Are they more interested in keeping the revenue flowing into Paisley to actually incriminate anyone important to the estate? I don't get why they can't get started?

[Edited 4/16/17 9:05am]

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Reply #1 posted 04/16/17 11:10am

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purplerabbithole said:

http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...nces-death





MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Nearly a year after Prince died from an accidental drug overdose in his suburban Minneapolis studio and estate, investigators still don't know how he got the fentanyl that killed him.


An official with knowledge of the investigation told The Associated Press that authorities still haven't interviewed a key associate who was with Prince in his final days, and they haven't asked a grand jury to investigate. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.


Prince was 57 when he was found alone and unresponsive in an elevator at Paisley Park on April 21.




Criminal justice experts say the pace of the investigation doesn't necessarily mean it's in trouble or that no one will be charged. Tracking illegally obtained pills is complex, and prosecutors want to be sure before filing charges




Is one of these "key associates" famous or something? What are they so afraid of--the person fleeing? Are they more interested in keeping the revenue flowing into Paisley to actually incriminate anyone important to the estate? I don't get why they can't get started?

[Edited 4/16/17 9:05am]


I think they have a suspect but not enough to make an arrest or case. One thing they are not going to do is jump the gun and make an arrest without having their ducks in a row.
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Reply #2 posted 04/16/17 12:01pm

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I understand how it would be difficult to trace the drugs back to their original source. But how difficult would it be to find out which associate was linked to Prince attaining them? Its odd to me that not even an interview has been conducted. LIke I said, how important is this associate that they would have to wait until the case against them is air-tight before even interviewing them. Its not like suspects aren't interviewed all the time before the cops' ducks are all in a row. Sometimes, people confess before the evidence is even all in. Their trepidation is very suspect. Unless, they are afraid people will flee...

Of course, this story might force that associate to flee, thus indicating who in fact they do suspect.

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...nces-death

Is one of these "key associates" famous or something? What are they so afraid of--the person fleeing? Are they more interested in keeping the revenue flowing into Paisley to actually incriminate anyone important to the estate? I don't get why they can't get started?

[Edited 4/16/17 9:05am]

I think they have a suspect but not enough to make an arrest or case. One thing they are not going to do is jump the gun and make an arrest without having their ducks in a row.

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Reply #3 posted 04/16/17 1:16pm

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I may be being mean, but when I read this all I could think about was right after 4/21, didn't Kirk disappear "on vacation" then return and it didn't seem to be an issue?

I'm not saying he's guilty or anything, but it would make sense to me for law enforement to allow everyone to go about their lives as though they aren't suspected. That makes folks relax cuz they figure they've gotten away with whatever.

And when they relax they get sloppy.

And when they get sloppy they get caught.

What's the old saying? Revenge is a dish best served cold.

confused

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Reply #4 posted 04/16/17 1:27pm

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Who is leaking this stuff?
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Reply #5 posted 04/16/17 2:23pm

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My thoughts are that Kirk would want to find the individual(s) responsible for the death of his long time friend, mentor and boss. Unless, of course.....

This is the paragraph I found interesting:

The official said the case has taken investigators to Illinois and California, as authorities have interviewed friends, family and any potential witnesses, including the flight crew and hospital staff that were present when Prince overdosed on a plane. They've also searched cellphone records, medical records and computers.

The bolded is especially telling.
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purplerabbithole said:

http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...nces-death





MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Nearly a year after Prince died from an accidental drug overdose in his suburban Minneapolis studio and estate, investigators still don't know how he got the fentanyl that killed him.


An official with knowledge of the investigation told The Associated Press that authorities still haven't interviewed a key associate who was with Prince in his final days, and they haven't asked a grand jury to investigate. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.


Prince was 57 when he was found alone and unresponsive in an elevator at Paisley Park on April 21.




Criminal justice experts say the pace of the investigation doesn't necessarily mean it's in trouble or that no one will be charged. Tracking illegally obtained pills is complex, and prosecutors want to be sure before filing charges




Is one of these "key associates" famous or something? What are they so afraid of--the person fleeing? Are they more interested in keeping the revenue flowing into Paisley to actually incriminate anyone important to the estate? I don't get why they can't get started?

[Edited 4/16/17 9:05am]


It is interesting that the second search warrant turned up the pills. Why did not find pills the first time around and how many people had been in and out of Paisley Park between the first and second search warrant? Very sloppy. Also look up Kirk's lawyer and see what he specializes in.
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Reply #7 posted 04/16/17 8:45pm

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I am sure they have asked this associate for an interview and the associate

declined. You DONT have to agree to be interviewed by the police. They cant

force you to be interviewed.

This brings to mind the death of Heath Ledger. From what I recall there was a criminal

investigation into the death of Heath. There were drugs found at the scene, just like P.

The police could not find a script for Heath either. And they never knew whether

the drugs were from a script obtained by someone else or from the street.

The police wanted to interview Mary Kate Olson.

She declined.

No charges were ever filed in Heath's death.

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Reply #8 posted 04/16/17 9:32pm

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The AP article is longer now..and mentions by name Kirk Johnson.

MINNEAPOLIS — It’s been nearly a year since Prince died from an accidental drug overdose in his suburban Minneapolis studio and estate, yet investigators still haven’t interviewed a key associate or asked a grand jury to consider whether criminal charges are warranted, according to an official with knowledge of the investigation.

Prince was 57 when he was found alone and unresponsive in an elevator at his Paisley Park home on April 21. His death shocked fans and led to tributes worldwide. And news that he died of an overdose of fentanyl — a synthetic drug 50 times more powerful than heroin — surprised and saddened those who knew him as someone with a reputation for clean living.

Dozens of counterfeit pills were found in a search of Paisley Park, including at least one that tested positive for fentanyl. Yet authorities still don’t know the origin of those drugs and there has been no indication that they are poised to hold anyone responsible anytime soon.

Criminal justice experts say the pace of the investigation doesn’t necessarily mean it’s in trouble or that no one will ever be charged. They cite the complexity of tracking illegally obtained pills, the need to be sure before they issue subpoenas, and the high stakes for investigators and prosecutors, who don’t want to suffer an embarrassing defeat in a high-profile trial.

“Federal prosecutors, especially, do not like

to lose,” said Gal Pissetzky, a Chicago-based criminal lawyer. “That is why they can take so long.”

One key figure investigators want to interview is Kirk Johnson, a longtime drummer for Prince and the estate manager at Paisley Park who was among those who discovered the musician’s body. Mr. Johnson also was with Prince six days earlier when he fell ill on a flight home from a performance in Atlanta and had to be revived with two doses of an opioid antidote.

Experts say it’s natural authorities would want to speak with Mr. Johnson, given his proximity to Prince. But Mr. Johnson hasn’t talked to federal prosecutors, according to the official with knowledge of the investigation, who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

While authorities have the power to ask a grand jury to investigate and issue subpoenas for testimony, that step hasn’t been taken, the official said.

Mr. Johnson’s attorney, F. Clayton Tyler, confirmed that his client hasn’t been subpoenaed. He would not confirm whether Mr. Johnson refused to speak with authorities since an initial interview with detectives in the hours after Prince’s death.

Mr. Johnson declined to talk to the AP. When pressed in a recent CBS interview to talk about Prince’s final days, Mr. Johnson pointed to his head and said: “Kirk has a vault. Right here. It’s never gonna be unlocked.”

The official told the AP that investigators also haven’t talked with Michael Todd Schulenberg since an initial interview after Prince’s body was found. Dr. Schulenberg, who saw Prince on April 7 and again the day before his death, told a Carver County sheriff’s detective he had ordered tests and prescribed medications for the musician. Those tests and medications

haven’t been disclosed.

Dr. Schulenberg’s attorney, Amy Conners, confirmed that her client hasn’t had any more requests from authorities.

That some Prince confidants or doctors haven’t been interviewed shouldn’t necessarily raise red flags, Mr. Pissetzky said. Prosecutors typically want to be armed with enough incriminating evidence to put an interviewee on the spot, he said.

“They want to show a suspect that, even though there might be holes in the evidence, they have enough to make it look like they have you dead to center,” he said.

Jeff Cramer, a former federal prosecutor in Chicago, said subpoenas aren’t always the best tool. A person with useful information can exercise their right against self-incrimination if brought before a grand jury, and at that point the only way to get them to talk is to offer immunity.

“The last thing law enforcement wants to do is to potentially have to immunize somebody who could be the only target of the investigation,” Mr. Cramer said. “At that point, there’s no going back ... so chances are they are still running down some leads before coming to that fateful decision.”

Mr. Cramer said investigators are likely trying to uncover everything they can, and they need to get the drugs into a suspect’s hands, either through a paper trail or witnesses. He said a year isn’t an unreasonable length of time for the investigation. If questions remain six months from now, however, he said he’d question what law enforcement is doing.

Investigators have said little about the case over the last year, other than it is active. They

They have explored whether doctors illegally prescribed opioids that were meant to go to Prince and whether the fentanyl that killed him came from a black-market source online or on the street.

The official said the case has taken investigators to Illinois and California, as authorities have interviewed friends, family and any potential witnesses, including the flight crew and hospital staff that were present when Prince overdosed on a plane. They’ve also searched cellphone records, medical records and computers.

Most fatal opioid overdoses that are investigated never lead to criminal charges, said Kerry Harvey, a former U.S. attorney for eastern Kentucky who made prosecuting such cases a high priority. A common problem is that evidence gets destroyed by first responders focused on saving a life.

It’s not clear whether this is a problem in Prince’s case. Investigators’ actions in the hours immediately after his death aren’t entirely known, and search warrants — aside from one that was accidentally and briefly made public — have been sealed. The search warrant that was briefly public notes that first responders started CPR on Prince before determining he was dead.

Authorities conducted a second search more than two weeks after Prince died and recovered more evidence, including many of the counterfeit pills, the official said.

Search warrants executed by local authorities, likely including one from the first search of Paisley Park, are due to be unsealed today.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I am sure they have asked this associate for an interview and the associate

declined. You DONT have to agree to be interviewed by the police. They cant

force you to be interviewed.

This brings to mind the death of Heath Ledger. From what I recall there was a criminal

investigation into the death of Heath. There were drugs found at the scene, just like P.

The police could not find a script for Heath either. And they never knew whether

the drugs were from a script obtained by someone else or from the street.

The police wanted to interview Mary Kate Olson.

She declined.

No charges were ever filed in Heath's death.

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Reply #9 posted 04/16/17 11:07pm

LBrent

Well, one thing is for sure...from his own mouth Kirk said in the botched PP interveiw a week or so ago that he knows stuff but it's all locked in his "Kirk vault".

The only way he'll ever tell what he knows is if they prosecute him for a crime...and even then he might go to jail rather than tell, in some martyrdom as a "loyal freind" of P.

I can see him doing that as his legacy. Going down in history as the guy who kept P's secrets all the way to the grave.

Sick, but I could see it happening.

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Reply #10 posted 04/17/17 3:22am

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Interesting that Kirk is still around. He was definitely involved in getting PP opened as a museum and sometimes is there during tours taking pictures with guests. I'm fairly certain he was at the private memorial at PP in August. He participated in the October tribute at Excel Center. He's apparently part of the original NPG group that's going to be touring later this year. And when Shelby and Liv played the Dakota last month he was there...Shelby posted a photo with him on Instagram. If Kirk was somehow involved in Prince's death you'd think the family would want him nowhere near PP and he would essentially be shunned by Prince associates. cool
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Reply #11 posted 04/17/17 3:41am

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Prince associates do a lot of things that do not make sense unless you factor in money. Maybe they buy the Mayte narrative...the whole "Prince made me do it" crap.

rogifan said:

Interesting that Kirk is still around. He was definitely involved in getting PP opened as a museum and sometimes is there during tours taking pictures with guests. I'm fairly certain he was at the private memorial at PP in August. He participated in the October tribute at Excel Center. He's apparently part of the original NPG group that's going to be touring later this year. And when Shelby and Liv played the Dakota last month he was there...Shelby posted a photo with him on Instagram. If Kirk was somehow involved in Prince's death you'd think the family would want him nowhere near PP and he would essentially be shunned by Prince associates. cool

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laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...nces-death

Is one of these "key associates" famous or something? What are they so afraid of--the person fleeing? Are they more interested in keeping the revenue flowing into Paisley to actually incriminate anyone important to the estate? I don't get why they can't get started?

[Edited 4/16/17 9:05am]

It is interesting that the second search warrant turned up the pills. Why did not find pills the first time around and how many people had been in and out of Paisley Park between the first and second search warrant? Very sloppy. Also look up Kirk's lawyer and see what he specializes in.

Indeed. Makes you wonder why didn't they "clean up" before the second search warrant....

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rogifan said:

Interesting that Kirk is still around. He was definitely involved in getting PP opened as a museum and sometimes is there during tours taking pictures with guests. I'm fairly certain he was at the private memorial at PP in August. He participated in the October tribute at Excel Center. He's apparently part of the original NPG group that's going to be touring later this year. And when Shelby and Liv played the Dakota last month he was there...Shelby posted a photo with him on Instagram. If Kirk was somehow involved in Prince's death you'd think the family would want him nowhere near PP and he would essentially be shunned by Prince associates. cool

He has not been interviewed by the police so why would the family suspect him?

The family as well as Breamer have no idea where money was sent to or the contents of the WB deal despite Van Jones representing two of them. I bet there are a lot of things the family does not know and may never know.

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Prince associates do a lot of things that do not make sense unless you factor in money. Maybe they buy the Mayte narrative...the whole "Prince made me do it" crap.

So the family and former band members aren't shunning Kirk because of money? What does Kirk have to do with them making money? I'm not following. confused

What if it's a case of Kirk was following his bosses orders and he will take whatever he knows to his grave? And maybe members of the family or former associates don't hold him responsible for following bosses orders. Again I'm just trying to understand why he's stil in the picture. And the money angle makes no sense to me.
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MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said: It is interesting that the second search warrant turned up the pills. Why did not find pills the first time around and how many people had been in and out of Paisley Park between the first and second search warrant? Very sloppy. Also look up Kirk's lawyer and see what he specializes in.

Indeed. Makes you wonder why didn't they "clean up" before the second search warrant....

I question that they even did any searching of his living quarters at all the first time around. I do not see how their claim that pills were around and no one saw any the first time.

Something is weird about the whole.

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rogifan said:


Interesting that Kirk is still around. He was definitely involved in getting PP opened as a museum and sometimes is there during tours taking pictures with guests. I'm fairly certain he was at the private memorial at PP in August. He participated in the October tribute at Excel Center. He's apparently part of the original NPG group that's going to be touring later this year. And when Shelby and Liv played the Dakota last month he was there...Shelby posted a photo with him on Instagram. If Kirk was somehow involved in Prince's death you'd think the family would want him nowhere near PP and he would essentially be shunned by Prince associates. cool

He has not been interviewed by the police so why would the family suspect him?


The family as well as Breamer have no idea where money was sent to or the contents of the WB deal despite Van Jones representing two of them. I bet there are a lot of things the family does not know and may never know.


Yet pretty much every fan on the org (and elsewhere) does consider him suspect? I'm assuming Tyka and Omarr and people like Shelby J. know what Kirk's role was better than anyone here. I've said all along I think Prince's death was a tragic accident. IF Kirk was just loyally following orders from his boss perhaps the family isn't holding him responsible?
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rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

He has not been interviewed by the police so why would the family suspect him?

The family as well as Breamer have no idea where money was sent to or the contents of the WB deal despite Van Jones representing two of them. I bet there are a lot of things the family does not know and may never know.

Yet pretty much every fan on the org (and elsewhere) does consider him suspect? I'm assuming Tyka and Omarr and people like Shelby J. know what Kirk's role was better than anyone here. I've said all along I think Prince's death was a tragic accident. IF Kirk was just loyally following orders from his boss perhaps the family isn't holding him responsible?

This is my opinion also. Kirk was around for many years. If Prince trusted someone it was him. For the good and for the bad. The fact that Kirk said on that interview that he himself has got a vault that will remain locked means he will continue to respect that trust.

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If he is enabling Prince to be a drug addict, it goes beyond Prince being his boss. He is complicit. If KJ was his connection and retrieved drugs for Prince then he helped an addict continue his addiction or at least helped a man in pain buy unsafe drugs. I would rather be fired than help a man destroy himself.

I am sorry but I am starting to think that KJ was around all those years for a reason...I hate to say my mind is going in that direction but I can't help it.

As for his family and friends, they might think that exposing KJ would expose Prince as a long term addict so they want everyone to think KJ is innocent of doing much of anything.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

He has not been interviewed by the police so why would the family suspect him?

The family as well as Breamer have no idea where money was sent to or the contents of the WB deal despite Van Jones representing two of them. I bet there are a lot of things the family does not know and may never know.

Yet pretty much every fan on the org (and elsewhere) does consider him suspect? I'm assuming Tyka and Omarr and people like Shelby J. know what Kirk's role was better than anyone here. I've said all along I think Prince's death was a tragic accident. IF Kirk was just loyally following orders from his boss perhaps the family isn't holding him responsible?

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rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

He has not been interviewed by the police so why would the family suspect him?

The family as well as Breamer have no idea where money was sent to or the contents of the WB deal despite Van Jones representing two of them. I bet there are a lot of things the family does not know and may never know.

Yet pretty much every fan on the org (and elsewhere) does consider him suspect? I'm assuming Tyka and Omarr and people like Shelby J. know what Kirk's role was better than anyone here. I've said all along I think Prince's death was a tragic accident. IF Kirk was just loyally following orders from his boss perhaps the family isn't holding him responsible?

The law is going to hold him responsible if that is what they can prove. The family has no say

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laurarichardson said:



rogifan said:


laurarichardson said:


He has not been interviewed by the police so why would the family suspect him?


The family as well as Breamer have no idea where money was sent to or the contents of the WB deal despite Van Jones representing two of them. I bet there are a lot of things the family does not know and may never know.



Yet pretty much every fan on the org (and elsewhere) does consider him suspect? I'm assuming Tyka and Omarr and people like Shelby J. know what Kirk's role was better than anyone here. I've said all along I think Prince's death was a tragic accident. IF Kirk was just loyally following orders from his boss perhaps the family isn't holding him responsible?

The law is going to hold him responsible if that is what they can prove. The family has no say


What are they going to prove? That Kirk tied Prince's hands behind his back and shoved pills down his throat?
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MMJas said:



rogifan said:


laurarichardson said:


He has not been interviewed by the police so why would the family suspect him?


The family as well as Breamer have no idea where money was sent to or the contents of the WB deal despite Van Jones representing two of them. I bet there are a lot of things the family does not know and may never know.



Yet pretty much every fan on the org (and elsewhere) does consider him suspect? I'm assuming Tyka and Omarr and people like Shelby J. know what Kirk's role was better than anyone here. I've said all along I think Prince's death was a tragic accident. IF Kirk was just loyally following orders from his boss perhaps the family isn't holding him responsible?

This is my opinion also. Kirk was around for many years. If Prince trusted someone it was him. For the good and for the bad. The fact that Kirk said on that interview that he himself has got a vault that will remain locked means he will continue to respect that trust.


This is what I've felt all along and I'm sticking with it. I really believe if it was something different Kirk would be nowhere near PP and wouldn't be involved in any tributes. Even if the family was covering for him for some reason somebody out there would be singing like a canary by now.
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Reply #22 posted 04/17/17 8:30am

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I read the warrants and here are my quick thoughts:

1. There is an inconstitency about Kirk's statement that April 20 being the only time that he had gotten prescription drugs in his name before. There were other bottles found with Prince's name on them at Paisley.

2. Who were the other 3 people (6 total) that were there when police arrived?

3. No video surveillance at all at Paisley? That doesn't sound right.

4. There is a discrepancy in the warrants. One says that the only prescription was the April 20th for Oxy that was made out to Kirk to protect Prince's privacy, but the other warrants say that Schulenberg prescribed him 3 medications on April 20 (appears to be two for anxiety and one for nausea). As I said in #1, there are other warrants that say that several bottles with Kirk's name were found at Paisley.

5. Why would Schulenberg prescribe oxy to Prince on April 20 after it was clear that he had a pain pill addiction?

6. Most importantly, what were the inconstistent and contradictory statements that were made by the 3 people ((Kirk, Merone and Kornfeld) at the scene?

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donnyenglish said:

I read the warrants and here are my quick thoughts:

1. There is an inconstitency about Kirk's statement that April 20 being the only time that he had gotten prescription drugs in his name before. There were other bottles found with Prince's name on them at Paisley.

2. Who were the other 3 people (6 total) that were there when police arrived?

3. No video surveillance at all at Paisley? That doesn't sound right.

4. There is a discrepancy in the warrants. One says that the only prescription was the April 20th for Oxy that was made out to Kirk to protect Prince's privacy, but the other warrants say that Schulenberg prescribed him 3 medications on April 20 (appears to be two for anxiety and one for nausea). As I said in #1, there are other warrants that say that several bottles with Kirk's name were found at Paisley.

5. Why would Schulenberg prescribe oxy to Prince on April 20 after it was clear that he had a pain pill addiction?

6. Most importantly, what were the inconstistent and contradictory statements that were made by the 3 people ((Kirk, Merone and Kornfeld) at the scene?

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[Edited 4/17/17 9:19am]

Thank you sir I have been pointing out the crazy of a doctor treating you for withdrawals but prescribing Oxy which is given to cancer patients. Who are the other 3 people who were at Paisley?

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Reply #24 posted 04/17/17 4:11pm

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In a way, that's what he did. A drug addict has little control of their lives. Enablers are figuratively handing them the noose to hang themselves. Considering Kirk was able to get pills in his name from an actual doctor, why are there so many pills illegally attained? If Kirk got those for Prince too, then I hope they put that fucker in prison.

I am so tired of how insensitive people are to drug addicts. It might be Prince's vault for starting on a secretive drug regime (instead of getting proper care because of misguided religion beliefs) but once someone is addicted, they have little control over their lives unless they are forced to face the truth and hit rock bottom. Prince's rock bottom was his death because a dipshit supposed 'friend' of his faciliitated Prince in continueing his bad habits. How could a 30 year friend do that to someone...and for him, to joke with a visitor at Paisley that he (meaning Kirk) was finally able to get some sleep...WTF? Its sounds like he wanted P to die. God, maybe that 'drug dealer' was right that Prince had such social anxiety as a young man that he self-medicated for 30 years,,,because Kirk sounds like a complete jackass who would only be good for drug acquisition.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

The law is going to hold him responsible if that is what they can prove. The family has no say

What are they going to prove? That Kirk tied Prince's hands behind his back and shoved pills down his throat?

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Reply #25 posted 04/17/17 7:37pm

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Where are you getting any of this from. You are saying he was not getting help because of religion but he was seeing a doctor. Also for someone so strung out and dealing with social anxiety he sure managed to put on his shows, throw a party and ride a bike. I see a guy who had pain got dependent on the meds and was trying to get off. He was going about it the wrong way but remember he was still working I think there is a difference between what he was going thru and someone who is dealing with emotional pain.

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In a way, that's what he did. A drug addict has little control of their lives. Enablers are figuratively handing them the noose to hang themselves. Considering Kirk was able to get pills in his name from an actual doctor, why are there so many pills illegally attained? If Kirk got those for Prince too, then I hope they put that fucker in prison.



I am so tired of how insensitive people are to drug addicts. It might be Prince's vault for starting on a secretive drug regime (instead of getting proper care because of misguided religion beliefs) but once someone is addicted, they have little control over their lives unless they are forced to face the truth and hit rock bottom. Prince's rock bottom was his death because a dipshit supposed 'friend' of his faciliitated Prince in continueing his bad habits. How could a 30 year friend do that to someone...and for him, to joke with a visitor at Paisley that he (meaning Kirk) was finally able to get some sleep...WTF? Its sounds like he wanted P to die. God, maybe that 'drug dealer' was right that Prince had such social anxiety as a young man that he self-medicated for 30 years,,,because Kirk sounds like a complete jackass who would only be good for drug acquisition.







rogifan said:


laurarichardson said:


The law is going to hold him responsible if that is what they can prove. The family has no say



What are they going to prove? That Kirk tied Prince's hands behind his back and shoved pills down his throat?


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Reply #26 posted 04/23/17 6:10am

margi

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...nces-death





MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Nearly a year after Prince died from an accidental drug overdose in his suburban Minneapolis studio and estate, investigators still don't know how he got the fentanyl that killed him.


An official with knowledge of the investigation told The Associated Press that authorities still haven't interviewed a key associate who was with Prince in his final days, and they haven't asked a grand jury to investigate. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.


Prince was 57 when he was found alone and unresponsive in an elevator at
Paisley Park on April 21.




Criminal justice experts say the pace of the investigation doesn't necessarily mean it's in trouble or that no one will be charged. Tracking illegally obtained pills is complex, and prosecutors want to be sure before filing charges




Is one of these "key associates" famous or something? What are they so afraid of--the person fleeing? Are they more interested in keeping the revenue flowing into Paisley to actually incriminate anyone important to the estate? I don't get why they can't get started?

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I think they have a suspect but not enough to make an arrest or case. One thing they are not going to do is jump the gun and make an arrest without having their ducks in a row.

I have always thought Chaka Khan having a Fentanyl addiction and the haste which she and her sister rushed to rehab as unusual. Granted the death of Prince was a wake up call for Chaka but she had entered rehab before several times according to documentation, all for the same drug. Prince had no blood test record of Fentanyl use and his death was a result of his first use. Did he find her tablets as she was often at Paisley? Prince tablets had been all prescription painkiller tablets and he would have been well aware of their safe use. I only think of the link as she was a known drug user of Fentanyl. This she admits so I am not promoting false accusations as to use. I also suspect his death was found ealier than noted on record and "things arranged and papers destroyed" to create the scenario we now see. Prince did not leave his estate in disorder looking to the LLC and his memos to make Paisley a museum that were already inplace.
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Reply #27 posted 04/23/17 9:27am

BillS

Opiate addiction is an insidious disease. If you have been around people who are opiate addicts, there is a part of you that wishes they would die. You wish they would put themselves out of their misery, as well as the misery they are causing everyone around them.

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Yet as a loyal friend, you want to help them. Tough love only works if there is a coordinated effort to make that happen. Otherwise the addict will just find new enablers. I am sure there were plenty of people who would have taken on that role if it wasn't Kirk. And then what? I don't doubt Kirk was a loyal friend. But if he did enable Prince's addiction, he was also a person who I believe really did not know what to do. It's not so simple as to walk away from your friend.

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As judgmental as you might want to be of Kirk, he was there when the plane landed on the way back from Atlanta and they got Prince help. He couldnt stop Prince from signing out AMA in Illinois. But it sounds like this was the chance to finally get him help. And they were attempting to bring in an addiction expert. And apparently Prince agreed. Prince's comment at the last PP event make me think he was ambivalent about wanting help though, and he probably knew he was going to take himself out. It's hard to believe he accidentally OD'd in the elevator.

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It appears Kirk enabled Prince's opiate addiction. From outward appearances, it also seems like Kirk also finally found an opporunity to try and intervene at the end. Kirk was probably neck deep in knowing about Prince's addiction. The publicity around the plane landing in Illinois was enough to finally convince Prince something had to be done. The problem with this is that it isn't just dealing with the physical issues of pain and withdrawal, but also the emotional pain he had been masking for a long time with drug use. And this would be compounded by it now being public knowledge that he had an opiate addiction. Beyond that, Prince had just gone through a Narcan experience. He knew what withdarawl was going to feel like and it isn't pretty.

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I guess I have a kinder and more compassionate view of Kirk than others may have because of witnessing and experiencing what he probably went through with Prince. I never got pain meds prescribed in my name for my friend. And I never bought opiates for my friend who was addicted. But I enabled in other ways. And when the time was right, I used the opportunity to get the person help. And almost 10 years later he is alive and has a well-supervised pain management plan. If I had done everything the "experts" told me to do, my buddy would be dead. There is no "right" answer for every situation. And when you are living it every day, it is really hard to be objective about what the best course of action might be.

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It's sad to me that the reports about the addiction specialist say that he sent his son, but he was too busy to come himself until a day later. When you plan an intervention, all the pieces need to be in place before you proceed. Suicide is a common concern when you are asking a person to give up the thing (opiates) that has helped them maintain. The opiates are their lifeline to making life bearable, while creating destruction in the process. Perhaps the doctor thought prescribing Prince some opiates would buy him the day until he could show up. The problem is that it gave Prince another day to consider his options. And the recent Narcan experience probably tipped the scales in the direction of ending things.

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My friend and I went to the Gala last year, both of us having our first PP experience. My friend said that Prince was going to die. We had planned many trips to PP but never made it there. But the urgency of my friend's pleas inspired me to make it happen. We also made it to the Oakland shows at the Paramount. My friend (definitely an opiate expert from real life experience) said Prince was high as a kite on stage in Oakland.

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I am rambling a bit. But I guess in hindsight it would be easy to judge Kirk, or others, for enabling Prince's addiction. But short of outing him in public as an addict, Kirk would not have succeeded in getting Prince help, and the reality is Prince may have killed himself if Kirk did that. And if Kirk privately gave Prince an ultimatum to clean up or else.... What "Or else" could Kirk have used to get Prince help?

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I am blessed I made it to PP while Prince was alive. And his Swan Song was amazing. May Prince rest in peace, and hopefully he has been relieved of his pain and suffering that appears to have become unbearable in life.

(If someone can take out the BRs and put in breaks in the paragraphs, that would be great- how does one do that on this site?)

purplerabbithole said:

In a way, that's what he did. A drug addict has little control of their lives. Enablers are figuratively handing them the noose to hang themselves. Considering Kirk was able to get pills in his name from an actual doctor, why are there so many pills illegally attained? If Kirk got those for Prince too, then I hope they put that fucker in prison.

I am so tired of how insensitive people are to drug addicts. It might be Prince's vault for starting on a secretive drug regime (instead of getting proper care because of misguided religion beliefs) but once someone is addicted, they have little control over their lives unless they are forced to face the truth and hit rock bottom. Prince's rock bottom was his death because a dipshit supposed 'friend' of his faciliitated Prince in continueing his bad habits. How could a 30 year friend do that to someone...and for him, to joke with a visitor at Paisley that he (meaning Kirk) was finally able to get some sleep...WTF? Its sounds like he wanted P to die. God, maybe that 'drug dealer' was right that Prince had such social anxiety as a young man that he self-medicated for 30 years,,,because Kirk sounds like a complete jackass who would only be good for drug acquisition.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said: What are they going to prove? That Kirk tied Prince's hands behind his back and shoved pills down his throat?

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