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Reply #90 posted 04/15/17 10:12am

paulludvig

OldFriends4Sale said:



paulludvig said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

I never said he didn't write it



Go back to your post #68 where you are 'accusing/questioning me' of saying Prince didn't write it:What exactly are you saying about their contribution to Strange Relationship...that they wrote it??



You might want to find the person who might be actually saying that and pose those questions to them.

They still played instruments onthe song that were were not taken out and ended up on the Camille versionof the song.



Composers Writers Arrangers.



Again, you are still insinuating I'm saying something I did not say. You might want to find the person who might be actually saying that and pose those questions to them.





Actually you're not exactly clear in this yourself OldFriends4Sale. You were asked a simple question. Did W&L write Strange Relationship? You answer with a long list of rehearsals. Dodging the question. So what do you think? Did W&L write Strange Relationship?


I was/am extremely clear on it.


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And explained the reason I did not go into answering it.


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reply #75


U know dam well I did not say that lol
I obviously explained myself in the thread already


You'll have to trace back the conversation


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and after I said that I'll be jumped up if purplerabbit still replied with "Well, that doesnt prove that Prince didn't write it."


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how much clearer do I need to be?



then I replied to purplerabbits "I think you said and someone else said" post and the "I was just making sure I knew what you thought W and L's real contributions were to the song." so I made sure they know what I thought W & L contributions along with some of the history of the song is.


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from the friggin start of this I was talking about credit, not creator, back when I replied to Your post. So u know I never said they wrote it.







You answered vaguely "we don't know the full story", then went into a list of rehearsals. Can you answer yes or no - did w&l write Strange Relationship?
[Edited 4/15/17 10:13am]
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Reply #91 posted 04/15/17 10:17am

OldFriends4Sal
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paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I was/am extremely clear on it.

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And explained the reason I did not go into answering it.

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reply #75

U know dam well I did not say that lol
I obviously explained myself in the thread already

You'll have to trace back the conversation

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and after I said that I'll be jumped up if purplerabbit still replied with "Well, that doesnt prove that Prince didn't write it."

.

how much clearer do I need to be?

then I replied to purplerabbits "I think you said and someone else said" post and the "I was just making sure I knew what you thought W and L's real contributions were to the song." so I made sure they know what I thought W & L contributions along with some of the history of the song is.

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from the friggin start of this I was talking about credit, not creator, back when I replied to Your post. So u know I never said they wrote it.

You answered vaguely "we don't know the full story", then went into a list of rehearsals. Can you answer yes or no - did w&l write Strange Relationship? [Edited 4/15/17 10:13am]

nothing vague about it.

After I replied to the insinuation that I said Prince didn't write it/w&L wrote it with

reply #75

U know dam well I did not say that lol
I obviously explained myself in the thread already

You'll have to trace back the conversation
.

then I addressed the other part of purplerabbits post saying we don't know the full story of the song, which we don't. Do we? do you know the full story of the song? You don't.
I did not even add the part that there is a version with Eric Leeds sax on it, so no we don't know the full story on the song.

.

U know dam well I did not say that

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Reply #92 posted 04/15/17 10:22am

paulludvig

OldFriends4Sale said:



paulludvig said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



I was/am extremely clear on it.


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And explained the reason I did not go into answering it.


.


reply #75


U know dam well I did not say that lol
I obviously explained myself in the thread already


You'll have to trace back the conversation


.


and after I said that I'll be jumped up if purplerabbit still replied with "Well, that doesnt prove that Prince didn't write it."


.


how much clearer do I need to be?



then I replied to purplerabbits "I think you said and someone else said" post and the "I was just making sure I knew what you thought W and L's real contributions were to the song." so I made sure they know what I thought W & L contributions along with some of the history of the song is.


.


from the friggin start of this I was talking about credit, not creator, back when I replied to Your post. So u know I never said they wrote it.






You answered vaguely "we don't know the full story", then went into a list of rehearsals. Can you answer yes or no - did w&l write Strange Relationship? [Edited 4/15/17 10:13am]


nothing vague about it.

After I replied to the insinuation that I said Prince didn't write it/w&L wrote it with


reply #75


U know dam well I did not say that lol
I obviously explained myself in the thread already


You'll have to trace back the conversation
.


then I addressed the other part of purplerabbits post saying we don't know the full story of the song, which we don't. Do we? do you know the full story of the song? You don't.
I did not even add the part that there is a version with Eric Leeds sax on it, so no we don't know the full story on the song.


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U know dam well I did not say that




Haha! You can't bring youself to say they didn't write it. Your loyalty to these guys is impressive,even if misquided
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Reply #93 posted 04/15/17 10:58am

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paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

nothing vague about it.

After I replied to the insinuation that I said Prince didn't write it/w&L wrote it with

reply #75

U know dam well I did not say that lol
I obviously explained myself in the thread already

You'll have to trace back the conversation
.

then I addressed the other part of purplerabbits post saying we don't know the full story of the song, which we don't. Do we? do you know the full story of the song? You don't.
I did not even add the part that there is a version with Eric Leeds sax on it, so no we don't know the full story on the song.

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U know dam well I did not say that

Haha! You can't bring youself to say they didn't write it. Your loyalty to these guys is impressive,even if misquided

That is not why I'm not directly answering your questin paulludvig

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it is silly for me to reply to something I've never said and over and over explained what I was talking about. People make up things 'you say' and then want you to go into their universe and justify or clear up their 'made up' stuff.
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When you can trace through the thread, where I even insinuated they wrote it, then I'll reply. But I'm not going to play this game

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Maybe it is a language thing? I mean for the most part if another American said "You know dam well I did not stay that" it pretty much closes the door on it.
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But your dislike for W & L is impressive, that you go to the lengths you do, even being misguided by someone JJ said will ranting is like wow. You would kiss anyone even Satan if his lie agreed with your view point of them lol

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I already straight purplerabbit out on this one

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
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Reply #94 posted 04/15/17 2:03pm

paulludvig

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Haha! You can't bring youself to say they didn't write it. Your loyalty to these guys is impressive,even if misquided

That is not why I'm not directly answering your questin paulludvig

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it is silly for me to reply to something I've never said and over and over explained what I was talking about. People make up things 'you say' and then want you to go into their universe and justify or clear up their 'made up' stuff.
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When you can trace through the thread, where I even insinuated they wrote it, then I'll reply. But I'm not going to play this game

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Maybe it is a language thing? I mean for the most part if another American said "You know dam well I did not stay that" it pretty much closes the door on it.
.
But your dislike for W & L is impressive, that you go to the lengths you do, even being misguided by someone JJ said will ranting is like wow. You would kiss anyone even Satan if his lie agreed with your view point of them lol

.

I already straight purplerabbit out on this one

Well if you won't answer my question, then I'll answer it myself: W&L DID NOT write Strange Relationship.

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Reply #95 posted 04/15/17 3:44pm

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paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That is not why I'm not directly answering your questin paulludvig

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it is silly for me to reply to something I've never said and over and over explained what I was talking about. People make up things 'you say' and then want you to go into their universe and justify or clear up their 'made up' stuff.
.
When you can trace through the thread, where I even insinuated they wrote it, then I'll reply. But I'm not going to play this game

.

Maybe it is a language thing? I mean for the most part if another American said "You know dam well I did not stay that" it pretty much closes the door on it.
.
But your dislike for W & L is impressive, that you go to the lengths you do, even being misguided by someone JJ said will ranting is like wow. You would kiss anyone even Satan if his lie agreed with your view point of them lol

.

I already straight purplerabbit out on this one

Well if you won't answer my question, then I'll answer it myself: W&L DID NOT write Strange Relationship.

U R confused.

Your initial question 2 me was 'was I saying W&L wrote Strange Relationship'

Now it is you are asking a 'general' question if W & L wrote Strange Relationship

It is good 4 you to not be lazy, and just read back through the discussion.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #96 posted 04/15/17 4:53pm

paulludvig

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

Well if you won't answer my question, then I'll answer it myself: W&L DID NOT write Strange Relationship.

U R confused.

Your initial question 2 me was 'was I saying W&L wrote Strange Relationship'

Now it is you are asking a 'general' question if W & L wrote Strange Relationship

It is good 4 you to not be lazy, and just read back through the discussion.


This was my original question: "Actually you're not exactly clear in this yourself OldFriends4Sale. You were asked a simple question. Did W&L write Strange Relationship? You answer with a long list of rehearsals. Dodging the question. So what do you think? Did W&L write Strange Relationship?"

You didn't answer, so I did so myself. W&Ldid not write Strange Relationship.

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Reply #97 posted 04/16/17 8:27am

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paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

U R confused.

Your initial question 2 me was 'was I saying W&L wrote Strange Relationship'

Now it is you are asking a 'general' question if W & L wrote Strange Relationship

It is good 4 you to not be lazy, and just read back through the discussion.


This was my original question: "Actually you're not exactly clear in this yourself OldFriends4Sale. You were asked a simple question. Did W&L write Strange Relationship? You answer with a long list of rehearsals. Dodging the question. So what do you think? Did W&L write Strange Relationship?"

You didn't answer, so I did so myself. W&Ldid not write Strange Relationship.

I'm very clear it is you looking in from the outside, just trying push this

It was not a simple question, it was a silly question because the person mixed up a whole bunch of peoples posts and centralized the question to me, and that kind of lazy behaviour will not get a direct response from me. After you and they go do the work and read through the thread sift it out my comment and other peoples comment then you will stop and get it.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #98 posted 04/16/17 5:23pm

LEATHRSAIL

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At a Piano & Microphone show on January 21st 2016 at Paisley Park. Prince told the below story on how he met Lisa, and how Lisa wrote the music to Raspberry Beret.

I’d like to take a moment and ah… show love and appreciation for Lisa and Wendy

I met Lisa first, she was in the band for a while and then she introduced me to Wendy

When I first met Lisa she didn’t look me in the eye I think – you’ll have to ask her why. I called my manager and I said, ‘I don’t think this is gonna work out… Can you make a plane reservation for her; she is going to have to go home…’

And I could hear the piano coming from the basement and she was playing something free form just making up these crazy chords that I never heard until I met Miles Davis who came to my house and played similar chords. And she told me that her favorite piano player was Bill Evans Right?

And I am trying to imitate her now…

And I would write music and I would let them go to the studio and just mess around and see what they come up with and Lisa wrote this harpsichord which was like…

[CHORDS FROM RASPBERRY BERET]

And that’s the whole song, right?

Until Prince told this story we didn’t know that Lisa wrote that. How many other songs did W&L have a part of that we don’t know? We don’t know how deep W&L’s involvement on Strange Relationship was. They could come forward and give details. But unless they say it was zero….

People on here will all line up and call them liars. Bottom line here is that the people on this list were not in the room when this music was created. But they were.

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Reply #99 posted 04/16/17 9:53pm

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But Prince was also in the room and isn't around to dispute or deny it. So are we to believe that every credit afforded him now is a lie especially where Wendy and Lisa are concerned?

Also, keep in mind that Prince didn't credit himself for that song. According to Prince Vault, he credited Prince and the Revolution.

What chords from Raspberry Beret did he perform...there is an opening to the song. I read that quote as indicating that the opening which is the most famous part is what she wrote (which is why he said "And that's the whole song right?".

I would think they were co-writers with Prince writing the lyrics and melody presumably and her writing the harmony part that opens the song (and around which the rest of the song is built)...that's how I interpreted it. You were there. Which chords did he play? If they are the chords I am thinking of, then he was giving her a compliment and you just erased him completely from the creation of that song.

Don't overdo it.

LEATHRSAIL said:

At a Piano & Microphone show on January 21st 2016 at Paisley Park. Prince told the below story on how he met Lisa, and how Lisa wrote the music to Raspberry Beret.

I’d like to take a moment and ah… show love and appreciation for Lisa and Wendy

I met Lisa first, she was in the band for a while and then she introduced me to Wendy

When I first met Lisa she didn’t look me in the eye I think – you’ll have to ask her why. I called my manager and I said, ‘I don’t think this is gonna work out… Can you make a plane reservation for her; she is going to have to go home…’

And I could hear the piano coming from the basement and she was playing something free form just making up these crazy chords that I never heard until I met Miles Davis who came to my house and played similar chords. And she told me that her favorite piano player was Bill Evans Right?

And I am trying to imitate her now…

And I would write music and I would let them go to the studio and just mess around and see what they come up with and Lisa wrote this harpsichord which was like…

[CHORDS FROM RASPBERRY BERET]

And that’s the whole song, right?

Until Prince told this story we didn’t know that Lisa wrote that. How many other songs did W&L have a part of that we don’t know? We don’t know how deep W&L’s involvement on Strange Relationship was. They could come forward and give details. But unless they say it was zero….

People on here will all line up and call them liars. Bottom line here is that the people on this list were not in the room when this music was created. But they were.

[Edited 4/16/17 22:15pm]

[Edited 4/16/17 22:22pm]

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Reply #100 posted 04/17/17 5:28am

paulludvig

purplerabbithole said:

But Prince was also in the room and isn't around to dispute or deny it. So are we to believe that every credit afforded him now is a lie especially where Wendy and Lisa are concerned?

Also, keep in mind that Prince didn't credit himself for that song. According to Prince Vault, he credited Prince and the Revolution.

What chords from Raspberry Beret did he perform...there is an opening to the song. I read that quote as indicating that the opening which is the most famous part is what she wrote (which is why he said "And that's the whole song right?".

I would think they were co-writers with Prince writing the lyrics and melody presumably and her writing the harmony part that opens the song (and around which the rest of the song is built)...that's how I interpreted it. You were there. Which chords did he play? If they are the chords I am thinking of, then he was giving her a compliment and you just erased him completely from the creation of that song.

Don't overdo it.

LEATHRSAIL said:

At a Piano & Microphone show on January 21st 2016 at Paisley Park. Prince told the below story on how he met Lisa, and how Lisa wrote the music to Raspberry Beret.

I’d like to take a moment and ah… show love and appreciation for Lisa and Wendy

I met Lisa first, she was in the band for a while and then she introduced me to Wendy

When I first met Lisa she didn’t look me in the eye I think – you’ll have to ask her why. I called my manager and I said, ‘I don’t think this is gonna work out… Can you make a plane reservation for her; she is going to have to go home…’

And I could hear the piano coming from the basement and she was playing something free form just making up these crazy chords that I never heard until I met Miles Davis who came to my house and played similar chords. And she told me that her favorite piano player was Bill Evans Right?

And I am trying to imitate her now…

And I would write music and I would let them go to the studio and just mess around and see what they come up with and Lisa wrote this harpsichord which was like…

[CHORDS FROM RASPBERRY BERET]

And that’s the whole song, right?

Until Prince told this story we didn’t know that Lisa wrote that. How many other songs did W&L have a part of that we don’t know? We don’t know how deep W&L’s involvement on Strange Relationship was. They could come forward and give details. But unless they say it was zero….

People on here will all line up and call them liars. Bottom line here is that the people on this list were not in the room when this music was created. But they were.

[Edited 4/16/17 22:15pm]

[Edited 4/16/17 22:22pm]

At the second show he specified that she didn't write the song. only the opening chords. She was credited for arranging the strings, so nothing really new in what Prince said.

[Edited 4/17/17 14:12pm]

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Reply #101 posted 04/17/17 5:29am

paulludvig

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:


This was my original question: "Actually you're not exactly clear in this yourself OldFriends4Sale. You were asked a simple question. Did W&L write Strange Relationship? You answer with a long list of rehearsals. Dodging the question. So what do you think? Did W&L write Strange Relationship?"

You didn't answer, so I did so myself. W&Ldid not write Strange Relationship.

I'm very clear it is you looking in from the outside, just trying push this

It was not a simple question, it was a silly question because the person mixed up a whole bunch of peoples posts and centralized the question to me, and that kind of lazy behaviour will not get a direct response from me. After you and they go do the work and read through the thread sift it out my comment and other peoples comment then you will stop and get it.

At least we can agree that W&L didn't write Strange Relationship wink

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Reply #102 posted 04/17/17 5:30am

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What LEATHRSAIL is saying, until that post in 2016 none of us knew the information.

But they were involved in the creation of the song. LEATHRSAIL is saying like that song Raspberry Beret, they could easily be involved in the creation of many songs we don't know of. But Strange Relationship is clear they were involved, just like Old Friends 4 Sale.

purplerabbithole said:

But Prince was also in the room and isn't around to dispute or deny it. So are we to believe that every credit afforded him now is a lie especially where Wendy and Lisa are concerned?

Also, keep in mind that Prince didn't credit himself for that song. According to Prince Vault, he credited Prince and the Revolution.

What chords from Raspberry Beret did he perform...there is an opening to the song. I read that quote as indicating that the opening which is the most famous part is what she wrote (which is why he said "And that's the whole song right?".

I would think they were co-writers with Prince writing the lyrics and melody presumably and her writing the harmony part that opens the song (and around which the rest of the song is built)...that's how I interpreted it. You were there. Which chords did he play? If they are the chords I am thinking of, then he was giving her a compliment and you just erased him completely from the creation of that song.

Don't overdo it.

LEATHRSAIL said:

At a Piano & Microphone show on January 21st 2016 at Paisley Park. Prince told the below story on how he met Lisa, and how Lisa wrote the music to Raspberry Beret.

I’d like to take a moment and ah… show love and appreciation for Lisa and Wendy

I met Lisa first, she was in the band for a while and then she introduced me to Wendy

When I first met Lisa she didn’t look me in the eye I think – you’ll have to ask her why. I called my manager and I said, ‘I don’t think this is gonna work out… Can you make a plane reservation for her; she is going to have to go home…’

And I could hear the piano coming from the basement and she was playing something free form just making up these crazy chords that I never heard until I met Miles Davis who came to my house and played similar chords. And she told me that her favorite piano player was Bill Evans Right?

And I am trying to imitate her now…

And I would write music and I would let them go to the studio and just mess around and see what they come up with and Lisa wrote this harpsichord which was like…

[CHORDS FROM RASPBERRY BERET]

And that’s the whole song, right?

Until Prince told this story we didn’t know that Lisa wrote that. How many other songs did W&L have a part of that we don’t know? We don’t know how deep W&L’s involvement on Strange Relationship was. They could come forward and give details. But unless they say it was zero….

People on here will all line up and call them liars. Bottom line here is that the people on this list were not in the room when this music was created. But they were.

[Edited 4/16/17 22:15pm]

[Edited 4/16/17 22:22pm]

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
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Reply #103 posted 04/17/17 10:38am

Zannaloaf

OP makes a mountain out of a molehill where they have no knowledge.

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Reply #104 posted 04/17/17 2:14pm

paulludvig

OldFriends4Sale said:

What LEATHRSAIL is saying, until that post in 2016 none of us knew the information.

But they were involved in the creation of the song. LEATHRSAIL is saying like that song Raspberry Beret, they could easily be involved in the creation of many songs we don't know of. But Strange Relationship is clear they were involved, just like Old Friends 4 Sale.

purplerabbithole said:

But Prince was also in the room and isn't around to dispute or deny it. So are we to believe that every credit afforded him now is a lie especially where Wendy and Lisa are concerned?

Also, keep in mind that Prince didn't credit himself for that song. According to Prince Vault, he credited Prince and the Revolution.

What chords from Raspberry Beret did he perform...there is an opening to the song. I read that quote as indicating that the opening which is the most famous part is what she wrote (which is why he said "And that's the whole song right?".

I would think they were co-writers with Prince writing the lyrics and melody presumably and her writing the harmony part that opens the song (and around which the rest of the song is built)...that's how I interpreted it. You were there. Which chords did he play? If they are the chords I am thinking of, then he was giving her a compliment and you just erased him completely from the creation of that song.

Don't overdo it.

[Edited 4/16/17 22:15pm]

[Edited 4/16/17 22:22pm]

You are not saying they were involved with the writing, do you?

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Reply #105 posted 04/17/17 3:17pm

dougfrm

Zannaloaf said:

OP makes a mountain out of a molehill where they have no knowledge.

Looks like it. Some people have no knowledge, but illusions and they eagerly defend their misperceptions as it is blasphemy to be truthful and state, "I don't know."

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Reply #106 posted 04/17/17 9:25pm

LEATHRSAIL

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OldFriends4Sale said: What LEATHRSAIL is saying, until that post in 2016 none of us knew the information. But they were involved in the creation of the song. LEATHRSAIL is saying like that song Raspberry Beret, they could easily be involved in the creation of many songs we don't know of. But Strange Relationship is clear they were involved, just like Old Friends 4 Sale.

paulludvig said: You are not saying they were involved with the writing, do you?

LEATHRSAIL:

When it come to that happened back in the day, most of the information has come from books or interviews written by third parities. As a person who has been interviewed by reporters in the past. Many of them when they interviews me had a fore drawn conclusion of what they wanted the interview to be about or say. That the narrative was about "XYZ". But I would say no its "ABC". But when the article was published my words would be twisted to fit the "XYZ" narrative they had. So when it comes to the books that have been written about Prince, they have been by third party writers that are interpreting someone else's experience. We only have those books because Prince didn't write one, and the people who worked with him were in constant fear of hearing from Prince's lawyer, nothing was published. But people on this site read these third party books, and some can quote them by chapter and page. But also refer to them as gospel truth. Those books might not be the whole truth. Or the information could be twisted to fit the writers fore drawn conclusion of the events.

I do history talks. At the start of my talks I talk about the concept of history. I give a cliche: history is written by the winners. The other point I make is that two people could observe the same event, and one could see it as the glass half empty. The other could view it as the glass half full. Prince in this case is the winner. He is the one who was under contract from the record company. He was the one who had the last word. But has we know from him. He was not one to be very truthful. He like to keep secrets. When he did announce he was witting a book. Many on this site questioned how much truth would be in the book, as opposed to JW religion speak. But we will never get to read that book. But now we as the people who follow Prince and his music can now listen to what the people who worked with him and share their perspective. But because the history on this subject has been so sparse, people have written their own preconceived narrative. As a result when those people are now talking, they are now being called liars. To me that is a dangerous slope. We have the opportunity to finally get some details we never had before. All five members of The Revolution could all have different perspectives on the same event. All members of the NPG could have perspectives on the same event. We know that from some of the information put forward from many different people who have worked with Prince over the years. That he had a habit of not giving proper credit when it was due. He was even sued for this. Knowing this, I think it would be worth listing to what the people who worked with him. Having an open mind to what their perspective was. AND, AND.... resist the temptation to brand those people liars. Again, none of us on this site were in the room when this music was created. But they were... Try and have an open mind!

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Reply #107 posted 04/18/17 8:08am

paulludvig

LEATHRSAIL said:

OldFriends4Sale said: What LEATHRSAIL is saying, until that post in 2016 none of us knew the information. But they were involved in the creation of the song. LEATHRSAIL is saying like that song Raspberry Beret, they could easily be involved in the creation of many songs we don't know of. But Strange Relationship is clear they were involved, just like Old Friends 4 Sale.

paulludvig said: You are not saying they were involved with the writing, do you?

LEATHRSAIL:

When it come to that happened back in the day, most of the information has come from books or interviews written by third parities. As a person who has been interviewed by reporters in the past. Many of them when they interviews me had a fore drawn conclusion of what they wanted the interview to be about or say. That the narrative was about "XYZ". But I would say no its "ABC". But when the article was published my words would be twisted to fit the "XYZ" narrative they had. So when it comes to the books that have been written about Prince, they have been by third party writers that are interpreting someone else's experience. We only have those books because Prince didn't write one, and the people who worked with him were in constant fear of hearing from Prince's lawyer, nothing was published. But people on this site read these third party books, and some can quote them by chapter and page. But also refer to them as gospel truth. Those books might not be the whole truth. Or the information could be twisted to fit the writers fore drawn conclusion of the events.

I do history talks. At the start of my talks I talk about the concept of history. I give a cliche: history is written by the winners. The other point I make is that two people could observe the same event, and one could see it as the glass half empty. The other could view it as the glass half full. Prince in this case is the winner. He is the one who was under contract from the record company. He was the one who had the last word. But has we know from him. He was not one to be very truthful. He like to keep secrets. When he did announce he was witting a book. Many on this site questioned how much truth would be in the book, as opposed to JW religion speak. But we will never get to read that book. But now we as the people who follow Prince and his music can now listen to what the people who worked with him and share their perspective. But because the history on this subject has been so sparse, people have written their own preconceived narrative. As a result when those people are now talking, they are now being called liars. To me that is a dangerous slope. We have the opportunity to finally get some details we never had before. All five members of The Revolution could all have different perspectives on the same event. All members of the NPG could have perspectives on the same event. We know that from some of the information put forward from many different people who have worked with Prince over the years. That he had a habit of not giving proper credit when it was due. He was even sued for this. Knowing this, I think it would be worth listing to what the people who worked with him. Having an open mind to what their perspective was. AND, AND.... resist the temptation to brand those people liars. Again, none of us on this site were in the room when this music was created. But they were... Try and have an open mind!

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You do know that books written by "third party writers" are mostly based on interviews with the Leeds brothers, the Melvoin sisters, Coleman and Rogers? Those are the people that have been willing to talk. And not suprisingly those are the exact same people who ends upbeing portrayed as vital to Prine's career in the books they have contributed to. Go figure. The story about Prince as we know it is really the story about Prince according to the aforementioned people. That expains why they have been able to usurp such a central role in the story.

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #108 posted 04/18/17 10:38am

Zannaloaf

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That is not why I'm not directly answering your questin paulludvig

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it is silly for me to reply to something I've never said and over and over explained what I was talking about. People make up things 'you say' and then want you to go into their universe and justify or clear up their 'made up' stuff.
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When you can trace through the thread, where I even insinuated they wrote it, then I'll reply. But I'm not going to play this game

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Maybe it is a language thing? I mean for the most part if another American said "You know dam well I did not stay that" it pretty much closes the door on it.
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But your dislike for W & L is impressive, that you go to the lengths you do, even being misguided by someone JJ said will ranting is like wow. You would kiss anyone even Satan if his lie agreed with your view point of them lol

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I already straight purplerabbit out on this one

Well if you won't answer my question, then I'll answer it myself: W&L DID NOT write Strange Relationship.


Your intepretation of events you have no actual idea about is as valid as anyone else's in the same position. Unless you're going to take off the mask and become someone who was involved musically with Prince and the Revolution day to day.
My guess is you wont. And aren't.
Just a fan with an opinion.

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Reply #109 posted 04/18/17 10:58am

paulludvig

Zannaloaf said:

paulludvig said:

Well if you won't answer my question, then I'll answer it myself: W&L DID NOT write Strange Relationship.


Your intepretation of events you have no actual idea about is as valid as anyone else's in the same position. Unless you're going to take off the mask and become someone who was involved musically with Prince and the Revolution day to day.
My guess is you wont. And aren't.
Just a fan with an opinion.

True. But those opinions are at least based on some facts. Not every opinion is equally valid.

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Reply #110 posted 04/19/17 10:11am

mediumdry

paulludvig said:

You do know that books written by "third party writers" are mostly based on interviews with the Leeds brothers, the Melvoin sisters, Coleman and Rogers? Those are the people that have been willing to talk. And not suprisingly those are the exact same people who ends upbeing portrayed as vital to Prine's career in the books they have contributed to. Go figure. The story about Prince as we know it is really the story about Prince according to the aforementioned people. That expains why they have been able to usurp such a central role in the story.

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I guess you are reading other "third party writers"' books, because, while some of the people you mention do get quoted, those are not nearly the main people quoted in most of the books I know.

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On the other hand, my favourite Prince period is the one where Wendy & Lisa and later on Eric Leeds were major influences to the point of being almost equal collaborators. Other periods seem to have less strong influences by band members, although some had quite a few contributions.

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Still, I don't know if Wendy & Lisa wrote Strange Relationship or not. I don't care. I do appreciate their contribution to the final released product.

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Reply #111 posted 04/19/17 3:44pm

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Almost equal collaborators? I don't know about that. On some songs, sure. Overall, I don't think so.

mediumdry said:

paulludvig said:

You do know that books written by "third party writers" are mostly based on interviews with the Leeds brothers, the Melvoin sisters, Coleman and Rogers? Those are the people that have been willing to talk. And not suprisingly those are the exact same people who ends upbeing portrayed as vital to Prine's career in the books they have contributed to. Go figure. The story about Prince as we know it is really the story about Prince according to the aforementioned people. That expains why they have been able to usurp such a central role in the story.

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I guess you are reading other "third party writers"' books, because, while some of the people you mention do get quoted, those are not nearly the main people quoted in most of the books I know.

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On the other hand, my favourite Prince period is the one where Wendy & Lisa and later on Eric Leeds were major influences to the point of being almost equal collaborators. Other periods seem to have less strong influences by band members, although some had quite a few contributions.

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Still, I don't know if Wendy & Lisa wrote Strange Relationship or not. I don't care. I do appreciate their contribution to the final released product.

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Reply #112 posted 04/20/17 5:47am

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as much as I want to see the Revolution peform again the more I hear Wendy the more I intensly dislike her & indeed Susannah. WTF is it with Wendy having continuous sly digs that any bands that followed the Revolution...re being too musical, playing too many notes etc. Likewise how much more is Susannah going to milk Star Fish & Coffee logos!! FFS!

The Rev' will be milking this so called 'healing' tour for all it's worth & probably aim to heal their bank accounts!

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Reply #113 posted 04/21/17 11:45pm

EagleBear33

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I became a fan in 1979 and a diehard fan in 1981. Most people here became diehards in 1984. The Revolution is probably his weakest band. They were an image for MTV more than a band. They are fine and there were some worthy collaborations but I have never understood the fascination with this band or era. He got better and edgier and more creative after the revolution left (1987-1988) and was better and edgier and more creative before they got there (1980-1982).

Comparing Prince bands is apples & oranges. Each worked for what Prince wanted at the time. The Revolution was right--they were the last band he actually had.

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Reply #114 posted 04/22/17 9:32am

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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

as much as I want to see the Revolution peform again the more I hear Wendy the more I intensly dislike her & indeed Susannah. WTF is it with Wendy having continuous sly digs that any bands that followed the Revolution...re being too musical, playing too many notes etc. Likewise how much more is Susannah going to milk Star Fish & Coffee logos!! FFS!

The Rev' will be milking this so called 'healing' tour for all it's worth & probably aim to heal their bank accounts!

1. You seem to read that in a way that tells me you probably don't like Wendy already for whatever reason. If you are going to go after someone do it for something they actually/factually did.
To say she is saying 'they are being too musical, playing too many notes is crazy. She said nothing of the sort.


2. What does Susannah have to do with this.

3. Heal away.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
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Reply #115 posted 04/23/17 9:44am

luvgirl

mediumdry said:



paulludvig said:



You do know that books written by "third party writers" are mostly based on interviews with the Leeds brothers, the Melvoin sisters, Coleman and Rogers? Those are the people that have been willing to talk. And not suprisingly those are the exact same people who ends upbeing portrayed as vital to Prine's career in the books they have contributed to. Go figure. The story about Prince as we know it is really the story about Prince according to the aforementioned people. That expains why they have been able to usurp such a central role in the story.



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I guess you are reading other "third party writers"' books, because, while some of the people you mention do get quoted, those are not nearly the main people quoted in most of the books I know.


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On the other hand, my favourite Prince period is the one where Wendy & Lisa and later on Eric Leeds were major influences to the point of being almost equal collaborators. Other periods seem to have less strong influences by band members, although some had quite a few contributions.


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Still, I don't know if Wendy & Lisa wrote Strange Relationship or not. I don't care. I do appreciate their contribution to the final released product.



When you guys say "wrote" Strange Relationship, are you speaking of the music or the lyrics?
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
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Reply #116 posted 04/23/17 9:49am

Vashtix

luvgirl said:

mediumdry said:

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I guess you are reading other "third party writers"' books, because, while some of the people you mention do get quoted, those are not nearly the main people quoted in most of the books I know.

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On the other hand, my favourite Prince period is the one where Wendy & Lisa and later on Eric Leeds were major influences to the point of being almost equal collaborators. Other periods seem to have less strong influences by band members, although some had quite a few contributions.

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Still, I don't know if Wendy & Lisa wrote Strange Relationship or not. I don't care. I do appreciate their contribution to the final released product.

When you guys say "wrote" Strange Relationship, are you speaking of the music or the lyrics?

I read where Wendy and Lisa said they influenced the sound due to instruments they introduced Prince to. I have to find the article. They are always taking credit for his genius but I was not there I cannot say they are not being truthful.

If they did influence sound my thanks to them it is one of my faves. The music grabs me.

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Reply #117 posted 04/23/17 10:08am

paulludvig

Vashtix said:



luvgirl said:


mediumdry said:


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I guess you are reading other "third party writers"' books, because, while some of the people you mention do get quoted, those are not nearly the main people quoted in most of the books I know.


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On the other hand, my favourite Prince period is the one where Wendy & Lisa and later on Eric Leeds were major influences to the point of being almost equal collaborators. Other periods seem to have less strong influences by band members, although some had quite a few contributions.


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Still, I don't know if Wendy & Lisa wrote Strange Relationship or not. I don't care. I do appreciate their contribution to the final released product.



When you guys say "wrote" Strange Relationship, are you speaking of the music or the lyrics?


I read where Wendy and Lisa said they influenced the sound due to instruments they introduced Prince to. I have to find the article. They are always taking credit for his genius but I was not there I cannot say they are not being truthful.



If they did influence sound my thanks to them it is one of my faves. The music grabs me.



They play some instruments on the song (percussion and a sitar-like sound), but it's a bit hard to hear because Prince buried their contribution in the mix. If you compare the final version on SOTT with the demo for Dream Factory where you can hear W&L more clearly, you will notice W&L's input on the final version is almost non-exictent.
And to be clear: they didn't write the song, neither music or lyrics.
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Reply #118 posted 04/23/17 10:10am

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luvgirl said:

mediumdry said:

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I guess you are reading other "third party writers"' books, because, while some of the people you mention do get quoted, those are not nearly the main people quoted in most of the books I know.

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On the other hand, my favourite Prince period is the one where Wendy & Lisa and later on Eric Leeds were major influences to the point of being almost equal collaborators. Other periods seem to have less strong influences by band members, although some had quite a few contributions.

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Still, I don't know if Wendy & Lisa wrote Strange Relationship or not. I don't care. I do appreciate their contribution to the final released product.

When you guys say "wrote" Strange Relationship, are you speaking of the music or the lyrics?

no one is saying they wrote it, no one ever implied they wrote it.
That is just paulludvigs issues

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
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Reply #119 posted 04/25/17 3:57pm

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paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said:


This is so disrepectful. I'm in the mddle of reading Mayte's book right now, and she keeps mentioning how Prince would talk about Wendy and Lisa like family, and how much he revered them and was impressed by them, and how they would turn simple ideas of his into full blown songs.

If you ask me, Wendy and Lisa have been pretty humble about their contributions to Prince's music. If Wendy says they contributed to SOTT, you should shut the fuck up and believe her, caus she knows damn well better than you about it.

Wow. You and a number of others are som protective of W&L. I wonder why that is.

Says the person who drags them at any opportunity. lol

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