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Thread started 02/11/19 4:47pm

benni

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Noose photo displayed in New York classroom...

https://www.nbcnews.com/n...d_nn_tw_ma

A school district on Long Island, New York, says it has taken "appropriate action" against teachers at a middle school for the display of "racially offensive images" featuring nooses in a classroom that has prompted a call from community leaders for their termination.

A photo, part of a larger collage on display in a classroom, showed two nooses under the term "back to school necklaces." The words "ha" and "#yes" also appear in the photo.

The Roosevelt School District said in a statement this weekend that it is aware of the "inappropriate conduct" of an "isolated group of teachers" at Roosevelt Middle School.

"The Board of Education was made aware of this incident on Thursday Feb. 7, 2019," the district said. "An investigation was immediately initiated, and appropriate action taken."


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Someone has posted the above article on Twitter and the majority of people are (rightly) upset up at what occurred. There are others, however, that are stating this is "just a bad joke they intended and isn't racist at all".

I'm sorry, I fall in the camp that this is a racist act. I cannot believe that in this day and age that a middle school teacher (with a school that is 45% African American) could even think that this was a "joke" or that there was nothing racist in it.

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Reply #1 posted 02/11/19 5:39pm

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benni said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/n...d_nn_tw_ma

A school district on Long Island, New York, says it has taken "appropriate action" against teachers at a middle school for the display of "racially offensive images" featuring nooses in a classroom that has prompted a call from community leaders for their termination.

A photo, part of a larger collage on display in a classroom, showed two nooses under the term "back to school necklaces." The words "ha" and "#yes" also appear in the photo.

The Roosevelt School District said in a statement this weekend that it is aware of the "inappropriate conduct" of an "isolated group of teachers" at Roosevelt Middle School.

"The Board of Education was made aware of this incident on Thursday Feb. 7, 2019," the district said. "An investigation was immediately initiated, and appropriate action taken."


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Someone has posted the above article on Twitter and the majority of people are (rightly) upset up at what occurred. There are others, however, that are stating this is "just a bad joke they intended and isn't racist at all".

I'm sorry, I fall in the camp that this is a racist act. I cannot believe that in this day and age that a middle school teacher (with a school that is 45% African American) could even think that this was a "joke" or that there was nothing racist in it.



disbelief The seething underbelly of reacism rears its ugly head again.

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Reply #2 posted 02/11/19 6:41pm

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This all happens in a public scholl classroom. Surely the democratic party will no longer take public sector union money to fund their anti racist, bigotry...etc. agenda?

Maybe they can ask the Virginia politicians how to handle this matter. Yes, they're still available.

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Reply #3 posted 02/11/19 9:58pm

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WTH is the matter with these people? They are teachers for goodness sakes, they had to have known this was a no no. sad

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Reply #4 posted 02/12/19 3:49am

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PennyPurple said:

WTH is the matter with these people? They are teachers for goodness sakes, they had to have known this was a no no. sad


Ignorant assholes raised by their ignorant parents or grandparents who probably taught them that kind of racial ignorance. Not surprised it happened in Long Island, NY has a long history of racial prejudice on that side of town for years.
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Reply #5 posted 02/12/19 4:07am

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Let me ask, does intent count in this situation? Let's say those that are arguing that this was "just a bad joke, dark humor", that the intent of the teachers was to not be "racist" but that they were joking about how they feel about going back to school.

One thing I did not know was that "back to school necklaces" had become a popular meme for students and how they feel about going back to school, and it has also been used by kids that are suicidal to say to their parents, "I'm going to get a back to school necklace."

Either way, I cannot imagine how the African American students felt, walking into that classroom, and seeing that poster. That is not something they should have been subjected, regardless of intent.

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Reply #6 posted 02/12/19 4:20am

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benni said:

Let me ask, does intent count in this situation? Let's say those that are arguing that this was "just a bad joke, dark humor", that the intent of the teachers was to not be "racist" but that they were joking about how they feel about going back to school.

One thing I did not know was that "back to school necklaces" had become a popular meme for students and how they feel about going back to school, and it has also been used by kids that are suicidal to say to their parents, "I'm going to get a back to school necklace."

Either way, I cannot imagine how the African American students felt, walking into that classroom, and seeing that poster. That is not something they should have been subjected, regardless of intent.


An image of a noose is a moose. They should have thought about how that would look to many students and the public.
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Reply #7 posted 02/12/19 4:31am

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2elijah said:

benni said:

Let me ask, does intent count in this situation? Let's say those that are arguing that this was "just a bad joke, dark humor", that the intent of the teachers was to not be "racist" but that they were joking about how they feel about going back to school.

One thing I did not know was that "back to school necklaces" had become a popular meme for students and how they feel about going back to school, and it has also been used by kids that are suicidal to say to their parents, "I'm going to get a back to school necklace."

Either way, I cannot imagine how the African American students felt, walking into that classroom, and seeing that poster. That is not something they should have been subjected, regardless of intent.

An image of a noose is a moose. They should have thought about how that would look to many students and the public. [Edited 2/12/19 4:21am]


I agree. And I just looked up "intent" from a legal standpoint. Since they are teachers, they should know the history of lynchings in this country. The school they teach at is 45% African American. They had to know that by posting the picture, their actions could be seen as a racial act. They had the option to not put it out there. The fact that they did, that with a large African American population at the school, they had to consider the racial consequences of posting such a picture, proves intent. They may have done it as a "joke" about going back to school, but they knew one of the consequences of that joke would be to view it as a racist act, and they did it any way, then it becomes a racist act.

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Reply #8 posted 02/12/19 4:36am

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benni said:



2elijah said:


benni said:

Let me ask, does intent count in this situation? Let's say those that are arguing that this was "just a bad joke, dark humor", that the intent of the teachers was to not be "racist" but that they were joking about how they feel about going back to school.

One thing I did not know was that "back to school necklaces" had become a popular meme for students and how they feel about going back to school, and it has also been used by kids that are suicidal to say to their parents, "I'm going to get a back to school necklace."

Either way, I cannot imagine how the African American students felt, walking into that classroom, and seeing that poster. That is not something they should have been subjected, regardless of intent.



An image of a noose is a moose. They should have thought about how that would look to many students and the public. [Edited 2/12/19 4:21am]


I agree. And I just looked up "intent" from a legal standpoint. Since they are teachers, they should know the history of lynchings in this country. The school they teach at is 45% African American. They had to know that by posting the picture, their actions could be seen as a racial act. They had the option to not put it out there. The fact that they did, that with a large African American population at the school, they had to consider the racial consequences of posting such a picture, proves intent. They may have done it as a "joke" about going back to school, but they knew one of the consequences of that joke would be to view it as a racist act, and they did it any way, then it becomes a racist act.


Exactly, and that’s the reason they should be fired. I refuse to believe that in this day and age, that most people don’t know what the image of a noose represents, especially teachers. Did they even consider what the image/pic of a noose may appear to someone else? If not fired, then at least be reprimanded for not thinking twice that a noose image, may be offensive to some of their students.
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Reply #9 posted 02/12/19 4:46am

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I do think there's some value in considering the intended meaning behind things like this - and what students in the classroom understood by it. I was prepared to condemn it and support its creators being immediately dismissed, when viewing it as presented in the linked news report: as what seemed to be an abominably racist image espousing lynching. At the same time, though, I wondered why the Black students - and at least some of the students of other ethnicities - hadn't been up in arms about it being on the classroom wall for so long.

A bit of browsing reveals that the expression 'back to school necklace' is a meme kids are using with no racial motive; its meaning being something like "I'm so depressed at having to go back to school, I'm going to hang myself." It seems likely that that was the intent, and it's quite possible that students understood that to be the meaning. That's certainly rather dark - and articles like this one find it worrying - but it's not the same as what we're left to think when it's reported on without that context.

Nonetheless, there's a connotative meaning of a noose - irrespective of intent - which means it really shouldn't be flippantly included in a "classroom collage", so I think they're right to take it down and investigate. I'm wary of this type of reporting, though. In this clip, they hurry past any mention of the meme that might give it context (00:24-00:30). As a viewer, that makes me feel a bit manipulated.

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Reply #10 posted 02/12/19 5:04am

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benni said:

Let me ask, does intent count in this situation? Let's say those that are arguing that this was "just a bad joke, dark humor", that the intent of the teachers was to not be "racist" but that they were joking about how they feel about going back to school.

One thing I did not know was that "back to school necklaces" had become a popular meme for students and how they feel about going back to school, and it has also been used by kids that are suicidal to say to their parents, "I'm going to get a back to school necklace."

Either way, I cannot imagine how the African American students felt, walking into that classroom, and seeing that poster. That is not something they should have been subjected, regardless of intent.

I think it does. Why would it not? I agree that intent is not all that counts - things have connotative meanings beyond that which we intend to imbue them with - but it seems to impoverish our understanding of human interactions to remove it entirely. When I saw the image initially, and was struggling to understand how this had been allowed, I did wonder if it was a student's artwork, heavy-handedly trying to make an anti-racist social comment. Turns out it wasn't - but that would be another instance where I think we'd similarly be interested in the intent. (Imagine a story where a school had moved to expel such a student. We'd surely protest.)

It does seem possible to me that the AA students interpreted it just like all the other kids did, i.e. as a bunch of youngsters that share these kinds of memes with each other. (My 16-year-old nephew shows me odd memes all the time, which he thinks are hilarious, but which make absolutely no sense to me!) If they did feel slighted by it, that, of course, should have been picked up upon and the image removed straightaway. And I'd think it really poor form on the teacher's part if it were to emerge that AA students had complained and had been waved away and told it was 'just a joke'. But I don't know that we can or should attribute such a reaction to them automatically.

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Reply #11 posted 02/12/19 5:47am

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So So Ugly. Notice how we don't even have to clarify that they were white teachers...

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Reply #12 posted 02/12/19 4:23pm

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In another school, in NC:


https://thegailygrind.com...t-himself/

A NC substitute teacher told a young boy (who was dressed in athletic wear) that he looked like a "prison inmate". Then went on and told the class that Martin Luther King, Jr. shot himself, and was not assassinated. THEN went further and stated that Trump was a Christian and based her lesson plan on "glorifying Trump and his love for God, country, and all Americans".

I mean, WHAT!? is going on in this country!?!?!

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Reply #13 posted 02/12/19 6:36pm

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benni said:

In another school, in NC:


https://thegailygrind.com...t-himself/

A NC substitute teacher told a young boy (who was dressed in athletic wear) that he looked like a "prison inmate". Then went on and told the class that Martin Luther King, Jr. shot himself, and was not assassinated. THEN went further and stated that Trump was a Christian and based her lesson plan on "glorifying Trump and his love for God, country, and all Americans".

I mean, WHAT!? is going on in this country!?!?!

eek what the hell?

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #14 posted 02/12/19 8:03pm

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benni said:

In another school, in NC:


https://thegailygrind.com...t-himself/

A NC substitute teacher told a young boy (who was dressed in athletic wear) that he looked like a "prison inmate". Then went on and told the class that Martin Luther King, Jr. shot himself, and was not assassinated. THEN went further and stated that Trump was a Christian and based her lesson plan on "glorifying Trump and his love for God, country, and all Americans".

I mean, WHAT!? is going on in this country!?!?!

eek what the hell?

30 percent of this nation is comprised of bat shit crazy, racist, right wing conspiracy theory believing assholes and for some reason they have been able to have a say. Well it's about time we shut these fucking pigs up and forced them back under their rocks. Fuck the orange asshole for enabling this filth.

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Reply #15 posted 02/12/19 8:55pm

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AWould putting up gas chamber images with funny hashtags in Germany get a teacher fired? Im sure they’d laugh at the fact that that could even be a debate. People in this country as a collective really lack a sense of shame...
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Reply #16 posted 02/13/19 3:08pm

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benni said:

In another school, in NC:


https://thegailygrind.com...t-himself/

A NC substitute teacher told a young boy (who was dressed in athletic wear) that he looked like a "prison inmate". Then went on and told the class that Martin Luther King, Jr. shot himself, and was not assassinated. THEN went further and stated that Trump was a Christian and based her lesson plan on "glorifying Trump and his love for God, country, and all Americans".

I mean, WHAT!? is going on in this country!?!?!

I'm more pissed off at the father for wanting to forgive that asshole teacher.

My pop would have gone Malcolm X on her and the school.

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Reply #17 posted 02/14/19 8:40am

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uPtoWnNY said:

benni said:

In another school, in NC:


https://thegailygrind.com...t-himself/

A NC substitute teacher told a young boy (who was dressed in athletic wear) that he looked like a "prison inmate". Then went on and told the class that Martin Luther King, Jr. shot himself, and was not assassinated. THEN went further and stated that Trump was a Christian and based her lesson plan on "glorifying Trump and his love for God, country, and all Americans".

I mean, WHAT!? is going on in this country!?!?!

I'm more pissed off at the father for wanting to forgive that asshole teacher.

My pop would have gone Malcolm X on her and the school.

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I can't wait for this delusion to cease. Unfortunately, I don't think it will be anytime soon. This fever needs to break quick. Maybe after trump cult followers have their hearts broken after they realize that they participated in the biggest con job in American history, they'll begin to come back to whatever senses they had before their golden god took office. May the spell be broken. lol

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