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Reply #30 posted 02/09/19 8:21am

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Women aren't allowed to get mad.

you really need to learn how posting works... quote or name the person or give some context as to what the corn you are talking about! You seem to just make random disconnected replies...

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Reply #31 posted 02/09/19 9:43am

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DiminutiveRocker said:


Agreed ^ on all counts. Fairfax should stick it out.


There's some guy who said if Fairfax doesnt resign, he's going to start impeachment procedures on Monday.

This really does suck. Impeaching him before the governor?

https://www.nytimes.com/2...hment.html

RICHMOND, Va. — Justin E. Fairfax’s refusal to resign as lieutenant governor of Virginia in the face of two allegations of sexual assault has presented Democrats with an excruciating choice: whether to impeach an African-American leader at a moment when the state’s other two top leaders, both white, are resisting calls to quit after admitting to racist conduct.

“I think the Democratic Party would lack credibility if they followed a double standard,” said Representative Karen Bass of California, who is the head of the Congressional Black Caucus. Ms. Bass said that both Mr. Northam and Mr. Fairfax should step down.

The state Democratic Party, after a conference call of its steering committee on Saturday morning in which there was near-unanimous support for Mr. Fairfax to resign, issued a statement saying he no longer had “their confidence or support” and should quit. Mr. Fairfax has said he is innocent and will not step down.

Gov. Northam also insists he will not resign. He does not face an imminent impeachment threat, and neither does Mr. Herring, the attorney general and second in line to the governor, who has been effusively apologizing for once wearing blackface.

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Reply #32 posted 02/09/19 10:42am

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2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:



Agreed ^ on all counts. Fairfax should stick it out.




There's some guy who said if Fairfax doesnt resign, he's going to start impeachment procedures on Monday.


This really does suck. Impeaching him before the governor?

https://www.nytimes.com/2...hment.html


RICHMOND, Va. — Justin E. Fairfax’s refusal to resign as lieutenant governor of Virginia in the face of two allegations of sexual assault has presented Democrats with an excruciating choice: whether to impeach an African-American leader at a moment when the state’s other two top leaders, both white, are resisting calls to quit after admitting to racist conduct.


“I think the Democratic Party would lack credibility if they followed a double standard,” said Representative Karen Bass of California, who is the head of the Congressional Black Caucus. Ms. Bass said that both Mr. Northam and Mr. Fairfax should step down.


The state Democratic Party, after a conference call of its steering committee on Saturday morning in which there was near-unanimous support for Mr. Fairfax to resign, issued a statement saying he no longer had “their confidence or support” and should quit. Mr. Fairfax has said he is innocent and will not step down.


Gov. Northam also insists he will not resign. He does not face an imminent impeachment threat, and neither does Mr. Herring, the attorney general and second in line to the governor, who has been effusively apologizing for once wearing blackface.



Yet the repubs remain quiet on the many sexual harassment allegations against trump, and turn whatever is left of their ass cheeks. Also with Kavanaugh, many of the repubs, pretty much turned their snob noses up at Kavanaugh‘s accusers. Interesting despite the allegations, those two were able to keep their positions.

The Dems are in a corner on the VA allegations, because they know the repubs will accuse them of favoritism if they don’t demand the resignation of these Democratic elected officials. They are aware that if it was a repub, they know the Dems would call for a resignation. I’m sure some of the repubs/conservatives are still upset over the mid-term elections, so they will be happy getting sny Dem official kicked out.

But in all fairness, if Fairfax is impeached, so should Northam be.
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Reply #33 posted 02/09/19 10:59am

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2elijah said:

poppys said:

This really does suck. Impeaching him before the governor?

https://www.nytimes.com/2...hment.html

RICHMOND, Va. — Justin E. Fairfax’s refusal to resign as lieutenant governor of Virginia in the face of two allegations of sexual assault has presented Democrats with an excruciating choice: whether to impeach an African-American leader at a moment when the state’s other two top leaders, both white, are resisting calls to quit after admitting to racist conduct.

“I think the Democratic Party would lack credibility if they followed a double standard,” said Representative Karen Bass of California, who is the head of the Congressional Black Caucus. Ms. Bass said that both Mr. Northam and Mr. Fairfax should step down.

The state Democratic Party, after a conference call of its steering committee on Saturday morning in which there was near-unanimous support for Mr. Fairfax to resign, issued a statement saying he no longer had “their confidence or support” and should quit. Mr. Fairfax has said he is innocent and will not step down.

Gov. Northam also insists he will not resign. He does not face an imminent impeachment threat, and neither does Mr. Herring, the attorney general and second in line to the governor, who has been effusively apologizing for once wearing blackface.

Yet the repubs remain quiet on the many sexual harassment allegations against trump, and turn whatever is left of their ass cheeks. Also with Kavanaugh, many of the repubs, pretty much turned their snob noses up at Kavanaugh‘s accusers. Interesting despite the allegations, those two were able to keep their positions. The Dems are in a corner on the VA allegations, because they know the repubs will accuse them of favoritism if they don’t demand the resignation of these Democratic elected officials. They are aware that if it was a repub, they know the Dems would call for a resignation. I’m sure some of the repubs/conservatives are still upset over the mid-term elections, so they will be happy getting sny Dem official kicked out. But in all fairness, if Fairfax is impeached, so should Northam be.


Absolutely. Maybe Dems should wait a beat here. The timing is sooo fishy, but of course rape is a serious offense. How could they have done a thorough investigation already? Dems have scrubbed their ranks far more than the Repubs. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what Rebubs accuse because they are hypocrites when it comes to sexual misconduct, as you pointed out.

This is just ONE of the reasons we need to vote more women into power. There is a lot less of this kind of stuff with them. Just like female newscasters. CBS has 3 women and 1 man on their morning show now after all their messy scandals. Geez, I wonder why?

VA Gov is sitting pretty now after all this extra. sigh

[Edited 2/9/19 11:04am]

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Reply #34 posted 02/09/19 11:36am

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2elijah said:

poppys said:

This really does suck. Impeaching him before the governor?

https://www.nytimes.com/2...hment.html

RICHMOND, Va. — Justin E. Fairfax’s refusal to resign as lieutenant governor of Virginia in the face of two allegations of sexual assault has presented Democrats with an excruciating choice: whether to impeach an African-American leader at a moment when the state’s other two top leaders, both white, are resisting calls to quit after admitting to racist conduct.

“I think the Democratic Party would lack credibility if they followed a double standard,” said Representative Karen Bass of California, who is the head of the Congressional Black Caucus. Ms. Bass said that both Mr. Northam and Mr. Fairfax should step down.

The state Democratic Party, after a conference call of its steering committee on Saturday morning in which there was near-unanimous support for Mr. Fairfax to resign, issued a statement saying he no longer had “their confidence or support” and should quit. Mr. Fairfax has said he is innocent and will not step down.

Gov. Northam also insists he will not resign. He does not face an imminent impeachment threat, and neither does Mr. Herring, the attorney general and second in line to the governor, who has been effusively apologizing for once wearing blackface.

Yet the repubs remain quiet on the many sexual harassment allegations against trump, and turn whatever is left of their ass cheeks. Also with Kavanaugh, many of the repubs, pretty much turned their snob noses up at Kavanaugh‘s accusers. Interesting despite the allegations, those two were able to keep their positions. The Dems are in a corner on the VA allegations, because they know the repubs will accuse them of favoritism if they don’t demand the resignation of these Democratic elected officials. They are aware that if it was a repub, they know the Dems would call for a resignation. I’m sure some of the repubs/conservatives are still upset over the mid-term elections, so they will be happy getting sny Dem official kicked out. But in all fairness, if Fairfax is impeached, so should Northam be.

do you think the allegations against trump should be believed and assumed true and that disqualifies him for office? If so then you MUST agree this guy should be forced out too.

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Reply #35 posted 02/09/19 9:03pm

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poppys said:



2elijah said:


poppys said:


This really does suck. Impeaching him before the governor?

https://www.nytimes.com/2...hment.html


RICHMOND, Va. — Justin E. Fairfax’s refusal to resign as lieutenant governor of Virginia in the face of two allegations of sexual assault has presented Democrats with an excruciating choice: whether to impeach an African-American leader at a moment when the state’s other two top leaders, both white, are resisting calls to quit after admitting to racist conduct.


“I think the Democratic Party would lack credibility if they followed a double standard,” said Representative Karen Bass of California, who is the head of the Congressional Black Caucus. Ms. Bass said that both Mr. Northam and Mr. Fairfax should step down.


The state Democratic Party, after a conference call of its steering committee on Saturday morning in which there was near-unanimous support for Mr. Fairfax to resign, issued a statement saying he no longer had “their confidence or support” and should quit. Mr. Fairfax has said he is innocent and will not step down.


Gov. Northam also insists he will not resign. He does not face an imminent impeachment threat, and neither does Mr. Herring, the attorney general and second in line to the governor, who has been effusively apologizing for once wearing blackface.




Yet the repubs remain quiet on the many sexual harassment allegations against trump, and turn whatever is left of their ass cheeks. Also with Kavanaugh, many of the repubs, pretty much turned their snob noses up at Kavanaugh‘s accusers. Interesting despite the allegations, those two were able to keep their positions. The Dems are in a corner on the VA allegations, because they know the repubs will accuse them of favoritism if they don’t demand the resignation of these Democratic elected officials. They are aware that if it was a repub, they know the Dems would call for a resignation. I’m sure some of the repubs/conservatives are still upset over the mid-term elections, so they will be happy getting sny Dem official kicked out. But in all fairness, if Fairfax is impeached, so should Northam be.


Absolutely. Maybe Dems should wait a beat here. The timing is sooo fishy, but of course rape is a serious offense. How could they have done a thorough investigation already? Dems have scrubbed their ranks far more than the Repubs. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what Rebubs accuse because they are hypocrites when it comes to sexual misconduct, as you pointed out.

This is just ONE of the reasons we need to vote more women into power. There is a lot less of this kind of stuff with them. Just like female newscasters. CBS has 3 women and 1 man on their morning show now after all their messy scandals. Geez, I wonder why?

VA Gov is sitting pretty now after all this extra. sigh

[Edited 2/9/19 11:04am]


Yep. He’s loving that some of the attention is off of him, but if Fairfax has to go, so should Northam, because Northam is trying to play dumb, as though he had no idea what that blackface image, standing next to an idiot dressed like a kkk asswipe represented. He gets no pass.
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Reply #36 posted 02/11/19 9:50am

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Gov Northam is NOT stepping down, nor will he be impeached, my opinion. The CBS interviews with Gayle King yesterday and today pretty much sealed the deal. He must have a really good fixer$$. Att Gen Herring ain't going anywhere either, so that leaves Lt Gov Fairfax as the sacrifical lamb. Although at least the impeachment Senator has called it off for now, pending investigation.

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Reply #37 posted 02/11/19 10:18am

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poppys said:

Gov Northam is NOT stepping down, nor will he be impeached, my opinion. The CBS interviews with Gayle King yesterday and today pretty much sealed the deal. He must have a really good fixer$$. Att Gen Herring ain't going anywhere either, so that leaves Lt Gov Fairfax as the sacrifical lamb. Although at least the impeachment Senator has called it off for now, pending investigation.


Yes Fairfax said he isn’t resigning. Northam has the nerve to say Fairfax should resign, yet his racist photo gives him a pass? Well if that’s the case what about trump and the very, many allegations of sexual harassment, paying off women he cheated with? It’s a double standard. It’s ridiculous. If Faifax goes so should Northam.
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Reply #38 posted 02/11/19 11:12am

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2elijah said:

poppys said:

Gov Northam is NOT stepping down, nor will he be impeached, my opinion. The CBS interviews with Gayle King yesterday and today pretty much sealed the deal. He must have a really good fixer$$. Att Gen Herring ain't going anywhere either, so that leaves Lt Gov Fairfax as the sacrifical lamb. Although at least the impeachment Senator has called it off for now, pending investigation.

Yes Fairfax said he isn’t resigning. Northam has the nerve to say Fairfax should resign, yet his racist photo gives him a pass? Well if that’s the case what about trump and the very, many allegations of sexual harassment, paying off women he cheated with? It’s a double standard. It’s ridiculous. If Faifax goes so should Northam. [Edited 2/11/19 10:19am]



neutral that state is a mess!

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Reply #39 posted 02/11/19 11:58am

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2elijah said:

Yes Fairfax said he isn’t resigning. Northam has the nerve to say Fairfax should resign, yet his racist photo gives him a pass? Well if that’s the case what about trump and the very, many allegations of sexual harassment, paying off women he cheated with? It’s a double standard. It’s ridiculous. If Faifax goes so should Northam.



neutral that state is a mess!

Agree with both. Completely effed up. I didn't believe even half of what I heard Northam say in that interview. He still never admitted it was him - of course it is. What happened to the facial recognition technology his staff was supposed to use? Crickets. And Klan disguises are still doing the job they were originally intended for. Coward.

Trevor Noah from the Daily Show had some good points about it in an interview this morning. It's not just one person. If they keep looking they will find more and more - just in Virginia. Someone was standing next to him, someone took the photo, someone recieved the photos and put them in the yearbook, etc etc.

Gayle King said her driver (she went to VA for the interview) told her they could take her places where it still happens today.

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Reply #40 posted 02/11/19 12:05pm

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If you are referencing Kavanaugh, he actually refused to call for an independent investigation into the allegations against himself. On top of that, he refused to take a lie detector test.


Some said Kavanaugh's anger proved his guilt.

As for believing the accuser with no evidence, that's not about Kavanaugh. Not so long ago many were saying this everytime anyone was accused.


DJ, I have not read the allegations against him, yet. (Not been a good space myself to do so, because those allegations can act as a trigger for me.) Anger for me is not necessarily a proof of guilt, but declining to undergo an investigation, refusing to take a polygraph, tends to lean me towards "guilt".

I usually always believed a woman who makes allegations of sexual assault, and I realize that it stems from having done so when I was young and not being believed. But having said that, there have also been stories in the news recently in which Jacob Wohl held a press conference claiming that a woman had accused Mueller of rape. Mueller didn't deny those charges, nor admit them, but rather simply and calmly referred them out for investigation, as he knew the truth of the matter. It was found to be a false accusation. So when we are looking at political situations, in which they want to get rid of an opponent, I'm starting to take a more "back seat" approach and waiting to see what develops.

In the Kavanaugh situation, there were too many things that Dr. Ford said, and mannerisms in which she reacted, that I recognize within myself, so that I still tend to believe her ovr Kavanaugh, because I know what I went through.

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Reply #41 posted 02/11/19 12:14pm

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I'm afraid to jump in here.

One case is from 1984. 1984 people!

The man has already become governor!

The others are sexual assaults from over a decade ago. This is the reason why there are statutes of limitations. Because now there's no evidence or proof lying around.

I think there's a groundswell building for no statute or an extention of statute.

Does anyone think this is a good idea?

I'm just asking I have no concrete opinion.

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Reply #42 posted 02/11/19 12:28pm

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CynicKill said:

I'm afraid to jump in here.

One case is from 1984. 1984 people!

The man has already become governor!

The others are sexual assaults from over a decade ago. This is the reason why there are statutes of limitations. Because now there's no evidence or proof lying around.

I think there's a groundswell building for no statute or an extention of statute.

Does anyone think this is a good idea?

I'm just asking I have no concrete opinion.


And? I am guessing you are young and 1984 seems like a long time ago to you. It really isn't, AND it was 20 years past the 1964 Civil Rights Legislation, AND he was 25 years old.

Gayle King did ask Northam how he could still be "learnng" about all this at age 59. He is still using that as an excuse.

Here's what Spike Lee said about it - already posted at the beginning of this thread. He is roughly Northam's age:

02/08/2019 12:37 am ET HuffPost

The “BlacKkKlansman” director said he doesn’t want to hear anyone defend their blackface by saying “it was the ‘80s.”

Filmmaker Spike Lee is not giving Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam any free passes for a photo of men in blackface...an uniform on his 1984 yearbook page that surfaced last week.

In an interview with Politico p...d Thursday, Lee, whose film “BlacKkKlansman” was nominated for six Oscars, highlighted the history of blackface in the U.S. and how it is inappropriate no matter what the decade was.

Politico asked Lee, “So if people are telling lies, but then they learn the truth, do they get a pass? Like this governor in Virginia, does he get a pass, because now he may have learned something?”

“Three words: Hell to the naw,” Lee replied while laughing, according to the news site. “Two words: Hell no.”

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Reply #43 posted 02/11/19 12:38pm

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poppys said:

CynicKill said:

I'm afraid to jump in here.

One case is from 1984. 1984 people!

The man has already become governor!

The others are sexual assaults from over a decade ago. This is the reason why there are statutes of limitations. Because now there's no evidence or proof lying around.

I think there's a groundswell building for no statute or an extention of statute.

Does anyone think this is a good idea?

I'm just asking I have no concrete opinion.


And? I am guessing you are young and 1984 seems like a long time ago to you. It really isn't, AND it was 20 years past the 1964 Civil Rights Legislation, AND he was 25 years old.

Gayle King did ask Northam how he could still be "learnng" about all this at age 59. He is still using that as an excuse.

Here's what Spike Lee said about it - already posted at the beginning of this thread. He is roughly Northam's age:

02/08/2019 12:37 am ET HuffPost

The “BlacKkKlansman” director said he doesn’t want to hear anyone defend their blackface by saying “it was the ‘80s.”

Filmmaker Spike Lee is not giving Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam any free passes for a photo of men in blackface...an uniform on his 1984 yearbook page that surfaced last week.

In an interview with Politico p...d Thursday, Lee, whose film “BlacKkKlansman” was nominated for six Oscars, highlighted the history of blackface in the U.S. and how it is inappropriate no matter what the decade was.

Politico asked Lee, “So if people are telling lies, but then they learn the truth, do they get a pass? Like this governor in Virginia, does he get a pass, because now he may have learned something?”

“Three words: Hell to the naw,” Lee replied while laughing, according to the news site. “Two words: Hell no.”

The point is it's 2019 and he's ALREADY GOVERNOR!

If it wasn't important enough to dig up during the campaign trail, then its not enough now.

I'm not saying its right but what I am saying is that it is water under the bridge.

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Reply #44 posted 02/11/19 12:40pm

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CynicKill said:

I'm afraid to jump in here.

One case is from 1984. 1984 people!

The man has already become governor!

The others are sexual assaults from over a decade ago. This is the reason why there are statutes of limitations. Because now there's no evidence or proof lying around.

I think there's a groundswell building for no statute or an extention of statute.

Does anyone think this is a good idea?

I'm just asking I have no concrete opinion.


I think there should be no statutes of limitations when it comes to sexual assault, sexual abuse, or rape. The reasoning is because many women do not come forward immediately. There are a lot of reasons for this: 1. fear that they won't be believed 2. feeling ashamed that it happened to them 3. self-blame "If I hadn't worn that outfit...", "If I hadn't gone out drinking..." 4. the perpetrator may have threatened them or they perceived there was a threat there 5. going back to the fear of not being believed, they may have seen the treatment other victims have received, statements made by people who deny that the perpetrator would ever do something like that, or supporters of that person (if they are a well-known celebrity or politician) and they do not want to face that kind of harrassment. And the reasons go on and on. I told when I was 10, and nothing was done. I told again when I was 14 and I wasn't believed by the juvenile officer because he respected one of my perpetrators and refused to believe me, so that meant he wasn't going to believe me about the others. I never received justice for what I went through.

Was there evidence of it after the fact? 1. I attempted suicide at ages 10, 15, 27. 2. Broken marriages. 3. Lack of trust. 4. PTSD symptoms - my startle reaction can be pretty severe; I have nightmares still (and my abuse last occurred almost 40 years ago, but started almost 50 years ago); triggered by certain things (the smell of Old Spice; certain words, scents can trigger me); sometimes the memories are so strong I can't focus on anything else; I dissociate emotionally, but also during a conversation, it's like I'm suddenly not present, like I know someone is talking to me but they've suddenly started speaking a foreign language and I have no clue what they are saying 5. Overly protective of my children, people I love 6. chronic run away as a child/teen. And I could go on. The only evidence I have is my life and the effect that it had on my life; but also the past reporting of it.

Years later, I would love to have justice, but that wanting to protect those I love comes in, but also the statute of limitations. For instance, I haven't told a cousin about her boyfriend back then because I know it would hurt her, because she would feel betrayed, and because at the end of the day, after she thought about it, she would blame me, not him. I haven't told most of my family, because I want to protect them, they didn't know, they weren't involved, but it would hurt them to know they didn't see it, they did nothing about it, and also to protect my young sister, because the family would isolate her.

There are a lot of nuances with surviving an abusive childhood, and there is always evidence of it within the life of the victim that psychologists, psychiatrists, and social workers recognize. The same is true for victims of rape and sexual assault. There are always tells with a victim. Always.

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Reply #45 posted 02/11/19 1:15pm

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CynicKill said:



poppys said:




CynicKill said:


I'm afraid to jump in here.


One case is from 1984. 1984 people!


The man has already become governor!


The others are sexual assaults from over a decade ago. This is the reason why there are statutes of limitations. Because now there's no evidence or proof lying around.


I think there's a groundswell building for no statute or an extention of statute.


Does anyone think this is a good idea?


I'm just asking I have no concrete opinion.




And? I am guessing you are young and 1984 seems like a long time ago to you. It really isn't, AND it was 20 years past the 1964 Civil Rights Legislation, AND he was 25 years old.

Gayle King did ask Northam how he could still be "learnng" about all this at age 59. He is still using that as an excuse.

Here's what Spike Lee said about it - already posted at the beginning of this thread. He is roughly Northam's age:


02/08/2019 12:37 am ET HuffPost





The “BlacKkKlansman” director said he doesn’t want to hear anyone defend their blackface by saying “it was the ‘80s.”


Filmmaker Spike Lee is not giving Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam any free passes for a photo of men in blackface...an uniform on his 1984 yearbook page that surfaced last week.





In an interview with Politico p...d Thursday, Lee, whose film “BlacKkKlansman” was nominated for six Oscars, highlighted the history of blackface in the U.S. and how it is inappropriate no matter what the decade was.





Politico asked Lee, “So if people are telling lies, but then they learn the truth, do they get a pass? Like this governor in Virginia, does he get a pass, because now he may have learned something?”





“Three words: Hell to the naw,” Lee replied while laughing, according to the news site. “Two words: Hell no.”







The point is it's 2019 and he's ALREADY GOVERNOR!


If it wasn't important enough to dig up during the campaign trail, then its not enough now.


I'm not saying its right but what I am saying is that it is water under the bridge.



Actually, it’s nit water under the bridge because he is a Governor who is representing all of Virginia, and it makes one wonder, with that image, how much cultural knowledge does he have about the Black community?

How in 1984 did a person who was an adult, standing next to a person dressed in a kkk costume, not know that painting his face with black shoe polish, was not a racist image? So is he going to say he wasn’t aware what the kkk costume represented? Total BS. He had to know. He wasn’t a kid at the time, he was an adult.

He should know about Virginia’s Slave history, so how wouldn’t he know what he did at the time wasn’t racist? I call BS.
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CynicKill said:

I'm afraid to jump in here.

One case is from 1984. 1984 people!

The man has already become governor!

The others are sexual assaults from over a decade ago. This is the reason why there are statutes of limitations. Because now there's no evidence or proof lying around.

I think there's a groundswell building for no statute or an extention of statute.

Does anyone think this is a good idea?

I'm just asking I have no concrete opinion.

If someone did something wrong and goes to jail 35 years ago they should still have to answer to it. We should burn people in churches! We should do away with prison and rehab it doesn't work!!!!

What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
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poppys said:

CynicKill said:

I'm afraid to jump in here.

One case is from 1984. 1984 people!

The man has already become governor!

The others are sexual assaults from over a decade ago. This is the reason why there are statutes of limitations. Because now there's no evidence or proof lying around.

I think there's a groundswell building for no statute or an extention of statute.

Does anyone think this is a good idea?

I'm just asking I have no concrete opinion.


And? I am guessing you are young and 1984 seems like a long time ago to you. It really isn't, AND it was 20 years past the 1964 Civil Rights Legislation, AND he was 25 years old.

Gayle King did ask Northam how he could still be "learnng" about all this at age 59. He is still using that as an excuse.

Here's what Spike Lee said about it - already posted at the beginning of this thread. He is roughly Northam's age:

02/08/2019 12:37 am ET HuffPost

The “BlacKkKlansman” director said he doesn’t want to hear anyone defend their blackface by saying “it was the ‘80s.”

Filmmaker Spike Lee is not giving Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam any free passes for a photo of men in blackface...an uniform on his 1984 yearbook page that surfaced last week.

In an interview with Politico p...d Thursday, Lee, whose film “BlacKkKlansman” was nominated for six Oscars, highlighted the history of blackface in the U.S. and how it is inappropriate no matter what the decade was.

Politico asked Lee, “So if people are telling lies, but then they learn the truth, do they get a pass? Like this governor in Virginia, does he get a pass, because now he may have learned something?”

“Three words: Hell to the naw,” Lee replied while laughing, according to the news site. “Two words: Hell no.”

If people are arrested for selling drugs or stealing they should only be allowed a job that is proper. They should always have to answer to taking or selling drugs or stealing. 35-50 years ago it not long enough time for the sins from the past.

What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
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Reply #48 posted 02/11/19 2:50pm

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poppys said:


And? I am guessing you are young and 1984 seems like a long time ago to you. It really isn't, AND it was 20 years past the 1964 Civil Rights Legislation, AND he was 25 years old.

Gayle King did ask Northam how he could still be "learnng" about all this at age 59. He is still using that as an excuse.

Here's what Spike Lee said about it - already posted at the beginning of this thread. He is roughly Northam's age:

02/08/2019 12:37 am ET HuffPost

The “BlacKkKlansman” director said he doesn’t want to hear anyone defend their blackface by saying “it was the ‘80s.”

Filmmaker Spike Lee is not giving Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam any free passes for a photo of men in blackface...an uniform on his 1984 yearbook page that surfaced last week.

In an interview with Politico p...d Thursday, Lee, whose film “BlacKkKlansman” was nominated for six Oscars, highlighted the history of blackface in the U.S. and how it is inappropriate no matter what the decade was.

Politico asked Lee, “So if people are telling lies, but then they learn the truth, do they get a pass? Like this governor in Virginia, does he get a pass, because now he may have learned something?”

“Three words: Hell to the naw,” Lee replied while laughing, according to the news site. “Two words: Hell no.”

If people are arrested for selling drugs or stealing they should only be allowed a job that is proper. They should always have to answer to taking or selling drugs or stealing. 35-50 years ago it not long enough time for the sins from the past.




And yet you guys don't seem to care at all if someone breaks God's law, i.e. the Ten Commandments. "Oh, Donald Trump committed adultery in each of his three marriages? Well, that was A LONG TIME AGO".

I'd re-think that line of reasoning if I were you.

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RodeoSchro said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

If people are arrested for selling drugs or stealing they should only be allowed a job that is proper. They should always have to answer to taking or selling drugs or stealing. 35-50 years ago it not long enough time for the sins from the past.




And yet you guys don't seem to care at all if someone breaks God's law, i.e. the Ten Commandments. "Oh, Donald Trump committed adultery in each of his three marriages? Well, that was A LONG TIME AGO".

I'd re-think that line of reasoning if I were you.

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Reply #50 posted 02/11/19 3:34pm

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And? I am guessing you are young and 1984 seems like a long time ago to you. It really isn't, AND it was 20 years past the 1964 Civil Rights Legislation, AND he was 25 years old.

Gayle King did ask Northam how he could still be "learnng" about all this at age 59. He is still using that as an excuse.

Here's what Spike Lee said about it - already posted at the beginning of this thread. He is roughly Northam's age:

02/08/2019 12:37 am ET HuffPost

The “BlacKkKlansman” director said he doesn’t want to hear anyone defend their blackface by saying “it was the ‘80s.”

Filmmaker Spike Lee is not giving Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam any free passes for a photo of men in blackface...an uniform on his 1984 yearbook page that surfaced last week.

In an interview with Politico p...d Thursday, Lee, whose film “BlacKkKlansman” was nominated for six Oscars, highlighted the history of blackface in the U.S. and how it is inappropriate no matter what the decade was.

Politico asked Lee, “So if people are telling lies, but then they learn the truth, do they get a pass? Like this governor in Virginia, does he get a pass, because now he may have learned something?”

“Three words: Hell to the naw,” Lee replied while laughing, according to the news site. “Two words: Hell no.”


The point is it's 2019 and he's ALREADY GOVERNOR!

If it wasn't important enough to dig up during the campaign trail, then its not enough now.

I'm not saying its right but what I am saying is that it is water under the bridge.


That is your opinion and that is why this thread is titled - Should Gov Northam step down? You are saying no, he shouldn't. I would hope you are not just basing it on the year it happened and the fact that he is already governor - for 3 more years. If you have read the entire thread and hopefully the first one, and done some due diligence about what Americans of African descent here on the org and in your own circle or neighborhood think about this issue, then fine. If not, then I personally think you should but that's your business.

Part of the problem with accepting this is that Northam walked back the admission that he WAS in that photo and he is sticking to it. Also that the Lt Governor may be taken down for this scandal while the governor stays. As I said, read the thread. P&R is a discussion forum. We don't all agree, and that's what the spirit of a good debate is about. So far I'm not finding your timeline argument or the fact that he is already in office (representing every citizen in the entire state of Virginia, as 2elijah pointed out) convincing.

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DiminutiveRocker said:




2elijah said:


Yes Fairfax said he isn’t resigning. Northam has the nerve to say Fairfax should resign, yet his racist photo gives him a pass? Well if that’s the case what about trump and the very, many allegations of sexual harassment, paying off women he cheated with? It’s a double standard. It’s ridiculous. If Faifax goes so should Northam.



neutral that state is a mess!



Agree with both. Completely effed up. I didn't believe even half of what I heard Northam say in that interview. He still never admitted it was him - of course it is. What happened to the facial recognition technology his staff was supposed to use? Crickets. And Klan disguises are still doing the job they were originally intended for. Coward.

Trevor Noah from the Daily Show had some good points about it in an interview this morning. It's not just one person. If they keep looking they will find more and more - just in Virginia. Someone was standing next to him, someone took the photo, someone recieved the photos and put them in the yearbook, etc etc.

Gayle King said her driver (she went to VA for the interview) told her they could take her places where it still happens today.


He knows it was him. He should resign. If Fairfax goes, then so should he.
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Reply #52 posted 02/12/19 4:59am

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Agree with both. Completely effed up. I didn't believe even half of what I heard Northam say in that interview. He still never admitted it was him - of course it is. What happened to the facial recognition technology his staff was supposed to use? Crickets. And Klan disguises are still doing the job they were originally intended for. Coward.

Trevor Noah from the Daily Show had some good points about it in an interview this morning. It's not just one person. If they keep looking they will find more and more - just in Virginia. Someone was standing next to him, someone took the photo, someone recieved the photos and put them in the yearbook, etc etc.

Gayle King said her driver (she went to VA for the interview) told her they could take her places where it still happens today.


He knows it was him. He should resign. If Fairfax goes, then so should he.

He has serious issues around racial equality, can't even say the word slavery. All he does is stick his foot directly in his mouth, every time.

Business Insider 2/10/19

Embattled Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam corrected by journalist Gayle King after he calls slaves 'indentured servants'

Virginia Governor Ralph Northam was corrected by journalist Gayle King after calling slaves "indentured servants."

In an interview with King on "CBS This Morning," Northam acknowledged it had been "a difficult week" for him and began talking about Virginia's history.

"We are now at the 400-year anniversary," the Democratic governor said. "Just 90 miles here in 1619, the first indentured servants from Africa landed on our shores in Old Point Comfort, what we call now Fort Monroe, and while ..."

King interjected: "Also known as slavery."

"Yes," Northam said...


There were significant legal differences between indentured servitude and slavery, notably that indentured servants still had legal rights and entered into a contract with an end date.

[Edited 2/12/19 5:01am]

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2elijah said:


poppys said:


Agree with both. Completely effed up. I didn't believe even half of what I heard Northam say in that interview. He still never admitted it was him - of course it is. What happened to the facial recognition technology his staff was supposed to use? Crickets. And Klan disguises are still doing the job they were originally intended for. Coward.

Trevor Noah from the Daily Show had some good points about it in an interview this morning. It's not just one person. If they keep looking they will find more and more - just in Virginia. Someone was standing next to him, someone took the photo, someone recieved the photos and put them in the yearbook, etc etc.

Gayle King said her driver (she went to VA for the interview) told her they could take her places where it still happens today.




He knows it was him. He should resign. If Fairfax goes, then so should he.


He has serious issues around racial equality, can't even say the word slavery. All he does is stick his foot directly in his mouth, every time.

Business Insider 2/10/19

Embattled Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam corrected by journalist Gayle King after he calls slaves 'indentured servants'


Virginia Governor Ralph Northam was corrected by journalist Gayle King after calling slaves "indentured servants."


In an interview with King on "CBS This Morning," Northam acknowledged it had been "a difficult week" for him and began talking about Virginia's history.


"We are now at the 400-year anniversary," the Democratic governor said. "Just 90 miles here in 1619, the first indentured servants from Africa landed on our shores in Old Point Comfort, what we call now Fort Monroe, and while ..."


King interjected: "Also known as slavery."

"Yes," Northam said...


There were significant legal differences between indentured servitude and slavery, notably that indentured servants still had legal rights and entered into a contract with an end date.

[Edited 2/12/19 5:01am]


He tried to put ice cream on it by saying ‘indentured servants’ as though they signed a contract agreeing to be that. Why is it so many are afraid to tell the ugly truths about slavery in America. Either way the fool should resign.
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Reply #54 posted 02/12/19 7:36am

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2elijah said:

poppys said:

He has serious issues around racial equality, can't even say the word slavery. All he does is stick his foot directly in his mouth, every time.

Business Insider 2/10/19

Embattled Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam corrected by journalist Gayle King after he calls slaves 'indentured servants'

Virginia Governor Ralph Northam was corrected by journalist Gayle King after calling slaves "indentured servants."

In an interview with King on "CBS This Morning," Northam acknowledged it had been "a difficult week" for him and began talking about Virginia's history.

"We are now at the 400-year anniversary," the Democratic governor said. "Just 90 miles here in 1619, the first indentured servants from Africa landed on our shores in Old Point Comfort, what we call now Fort Monroe, and while ..."

King interjected: "Also known as slavery."

"Yes," Northam said...


There were significant legal differences between indentured servitude and slavery, notably that indentured servants still had legal rights and entered into a contract with an end date.


He tried to put ice cream on it by saying ‘indentured servants’
as though they signed a contract agreeing to be that. Why is it so many are afraid to tell the ugly truths about slavery in America. Either way the fool should resign.

Yes. That was one thing his PR fixers cooked up that didn't fly.

As objective as Gayle was, and I admire her for that, there are just too many glaring things in that interview that say he is not ready to be Gov of a diverse population. Meanwhile, Fairfax is getting hammered again today, bait and switch.

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2elijah said:

poppys said:

He has serious issues around racial equality, can't even say the word slavery. All he does is stick his foot directly in his mouth, every time.

Business Insider 2/10/19

Embattled Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam corrected by journalist Gayle King after he calls slaves 'indentured servants'

Virginia Governor Ralph Northam was corrected by journalist Gayle King after calling slaves "indentured servants."

In an interview with King on "CBS This Morning," Northam acknowledged it had been "a difficult week" for him and began talking about Virginia's history.

"We are now at the 400-year anniversary," the Democratic governor said. "Just 90 miles here in 1619, the first indentured servants from Africa landed on our shores in Old Point Comfort, what we call now Fort Monroe, and while ..."

King interjected: "Also known as slavery."

"Yes," Northam said...


There were significant legal differences between indentured servitude and slavery, notably that indentured servants still had legal rights and entered into a contract with an end date.

[Edited 2/12/19 5:01am]

He tried to put ice cream on it by saying ‘indentured servants’ as though they signed a contract agreeing to be that. Why is it so many are afraid to tell the ugly truths about slavery in America. Either way the fool should resign.

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Reply #56 posted 02/12/19 4:15pm

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If people are arrested for selling drugs or stealing they should only be allowed a job that is proper. They should always have to answer to taking or selling drugs or stealing. 35-50 years ago it not long enough time for the sins from the past.




And yet you guys don't seem to care at all if someone breaks God's law, i.e. the Ten Commandments. "Oh, Donald Trump committed adultery in each of his three marriages? Well, that was A LONG TIME AGO".

I'd re-think that line of reasoning if I were you.

do you keep the Sabbath... or hell ANY day holy?

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Turned out 2 be a lie
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Reply #57 posted 02/12/19 4:43pm

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To review: The only one to leave is going to be the minority and the two have racist past are staying.

Sad for the state and DC progressives. The swamp is alive and well.

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Reply #58 posted 02/12/19 5:04pm

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To review: The only one to leave is going to be the minority and the two have racist past are staying.

Sad for the state and DC progressives. The swamp is alive and well.

that is how Democrats do... they do care about minorities they just play them to get support... Wake Up and #WalkAway

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To review: The only one to leave is going to be the minority and the two have racist past are staying.

Sad for the state and DC progressives. The swamp is alive and well.


To recap: The Democrats are asking them to step down.

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