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Separating Immigrant Families was Happening Prior to Zero Tolerance

Thousands more migrant children were likely separated from their families than officially reported.

As of December, nearly 3,000 children were known to have been forcibly separated from their parents under last year’s “zero-tolerance” immigration policy, in which nearly all adults entering the U.S. illegally were prosecuted and any children with them were put into shelters or foster care. Above, a father and daughter reuinted in Phoenix this summer.


But a new report from a branch of the Department of Health and Human Services notes that thousands more children may have been separated during an influx that began in 2017, before a federal court order required them to be tracked.




https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/us/family-separation-trump-administration-migrants.html?emc=edit_ne_20190117&nl=evening-briefing&nlid=4827926520190117&te=1








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Reply #1 posted 01/18/19 6:11am

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Yeah, it was happening earlier than they said. But we knew something was up because they kept saying they had 12,000 children in custody but only talking about 3,000 of them when it was announced.

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poppys said:

Yeah, it was happening earlier than they said. But we knew something was up because they kept saying they had 12,000 children in custody but only talking about 3,000 of them when it was announced.




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Reply #3 posted 01/18/19 8:26am

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The Trump administration stole children, and then lied about it.

If you're proud of that, you are not fit to be an American.

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Reply #4 posted 01/18/19 9:25am

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The Trump administration stole children, and then lied about it.

If you're proud of that, you are not fit to be an American.

Exactly right.

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Reply #5 posted 01/19/19 5:22pm

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I have a friend who is a retired Vegas police officer and he was telling me that during Obama's administration, there was a lot of child trafficking going on after Obama said that families with kids were ok to let in, no questions asked. Apparenty there was an epidemic of people crossing the border with kids that weren't theirs and a lot of police departments were working with ICE to sort the whole thing out, which I didn't know.
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I have a friend who is a retired Vegas police officer and he was telling me that during Obama's administration, there was a lot of child trafficking going on after Obama said that families with kids were ok to let in, no questions asked. Apparenty there was an epidemic of people crossing the border with kids that weren't theirs and a lot of police departments were working with ICE to sort the whole thing out, which I didn't know. [Edited 1/19/19 17:25pm]


Epidemic? I am curious, can you and your friend find the quote and legitimate source where Obama said it was "Ok for families with kids to be let in with no questions asked" ?

Thanks biggrin

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DiminutiveRocker said:

guitarslinger44 said:

I have a friend who is a retired Vegas police officer and he was telling me that during Obama's administration, there was a lot of child trafficking going on after Obama said that families with kids were ok to let in, no questions asked. Apparenty there was an epidemic of people crossing the border with kids that weren't theirs and a lot of police departments were working with ICE to sort the whole thing out, which I didn't know. [Edited 1/19/19 17:25pm]


Epidemic? I am curious, can you and your friend find the quote and legitimate source where Obama said it was "Ok for families with kids to be let in with no questions asked" ?

Thanks biggrin


His comment is actually "somewhat" true. If you remember, under Obama there was a case in Marion, Ohio, in which the kids were being forced to work on an egg farm. Traffickers would pose as family members to take custody of the kids. That was only one case that came to light, however, they weren't certain whether there could be others.

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DiminutiveRocker said:


Epidemic? I am curious, can you and your friend find the quote and legitimate source where Obama said it was "Ok for families with kids to be let in with no questions asked" ?

Thanks biggrin


His comment is actually "somewhat" true. If you remember, under Obama there was a case in Marion, Ohio, in which the kids were being forced to work on an egg farm. Traffickers would pose as family members to take custody of the kids. That was only one case that came to light, however, they weren't certain whether there could be others.

Yeah, I guess there was that one case.......

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benni said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Epidemic? I am curious, can you and your friend find the quote and legitimate source where Obama said it was "Ok for families with kids to be let in with no questions asked" ?

Thanks biggrin


His comment is actually "somewhat" true. If you remember, under Obama there was a case in Marion, Ohio, in which the kids were being forced to work on an egg farm. Traffickers would pose as family members to take custody of the kids. That was only one case that came to light, however, they weren't certain whether there could be others.


Right.... I'l have to do some research - thank you.

But now people are seeking asylum at legitimate ports of entry with birth certificates etc. and ICE/Border Security was taking their children away - having them appear before a judge, and wither detaning them or sending them away into foster care accross the country without a traceable record. Clearly there is no medical care provided for the children since we know of two that died late last year.

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Reply #10 posted 01/20/19 7:32am

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benni said:


His comment is actually "somewhat" true. If you remember, under Obama there was a case in Marion, Ohio, in which the kids were being forced to work on an egg farm. Traffickers would pose as family members to take custody of the kids. That was only one case that came to light, however, they weren't certain whether there could be others.


Right.... I'l have to do some research - thank you.

But now people are seeking asylum at legitimate ports of entry with birth certificates etc. and ICE/Border Security was taking their children away - having them appear before a judge, and wither detaning them or sending them away into foster care accross the country without a traceable record. Clearly there is no medical care provided for the children since we know of two that died late last year.

Check on Breitbart or Newsmax, yyou'll probably find it lol lol

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Reply #11 posted 01/20/19 7:35am

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DiminutiveRocker said:


Right.... I'l have to do some research - thank you.

But now people are seeking asylum at legitimate ports of entry with birth certificates etc. and ICE/Border Security was taking their children away - having them appear before a judge, and wither detaning them or sending them away into foster care accross the country without a traceable record. Clearly there is no medical care provided for the children since we know of two that died late last year.


Check on Breitbart or Newsmax, you'll probably find it lol lol


Yep. They all demonize Obama, but try to use him to further their deplorable behavior - Which one is it fuckers???

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DiminutiveRocker said:

benni said:


His comment is actually "somewhat" true. If you remember, under Obama there was a case in Marion, Ohio, in which the kids were being forced to work on an egg farm. Traffickers would pose as family members to take custody of the kids. That was only one case that came to light, however, they weren't certain whether there could be others.


Right.... I'l have to do some research - thank you.

But now people are seeking asylum at legitimate ports of entry with birth certificates etc. and ICE/Border Security was taking their children away - having them appear before a judge, and wither detaning them or sending them away into foster care accross the country without a traceable record. Clearly there is no medical care provided for the children since we know of two that died late last year.


I know. There is no comparison between Obama's immigration policies and Trump's. Trump is by far the worst.

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We are talking about putting kids in cages.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #14 posted 01/20/19 11:02am

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We are talking about putting kids in cages.

Exactly.

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Reply #15 posted 01/21/19 2:47pm

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benni said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Right.... I'l have to do some research - thank you.

But now people are seeking asylum at legitimate ports of entry with birth certificates etc. and ICE/Border Security was taking their children away - having them appear before a judge, and wither detaning them or sending them away into foster care accross the country without a traceable record. Clearly there is no medical care provided for the children since we know of two that died late last year.


I know. There is no comparison between Obama's immigration policies and Trump's. Trump is by far the worst.


Nope. https://theintercept.com/...e-thought/

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DiminutiveRocker said:

guitarslinger44 said:

I have a friend who is a retired Vegas police officer and he was telling me that during Obama's administration, there was a lot of child trafficking going on after Obama said that families with kids were ok to let in, no questions asked. Apparenty there was an epidemic of people crossing the border with kids that weren't theirs and a lot of police departments were working with ICE to sort the whole thing out, which I didn't know. [Edited 1/19/19 17:25pm]


Epidemic? I am curious, can you and your friend find the quote and legitimate source where Obama said it was "Ok for families with kids to be let in with no questions asked" ?

Thanks biggrin


I can't find any quote, but I have found references that the Obama administration was more likely to let children in because of that one girl who died after not having any food or water for days. I realize my friend's story is anecdotal, but he said it was enough of a problem that they were regularly working with ICE agents to sort out whose kids were theirs and whose were not.

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guitarslinger44 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Epidemic? I am curious, can you and your friend find the quote and legitimate source where Obama said it was "Ok for families with kids to be let in with no questions asked" ?

Thanks biggrin


I can't find any quote, but I have found references that the Obama administration was more likely to let children in because of that one girl who died after not having any food or water for days. I realize my friend's story is anecdotal, but he said it was enough of a problem that they were regularly working with ICE agents to sort out whose kids were theirs and whose were not.

I see. wink

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Reply #18 posted 02/06/19 2:45pm

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-mexico-governor-slams-trumps-charade-pulls-national-guard-troops-from-border

New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham Slams Trump’s ‘Charade,’ Pulls Troops From Border

New Mexico’s governor ordered the partial withdrawal of National Guard troops from the U.S. border with Mexico late Tuesday in a challenge to President Donald Trump’s assertion that there’s a security crisis in the region, the Associated Press reports.

Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham announced the decision just before Trump’s State of the Union address.

“New Mexico will not take part in the president’s charade of border fear-mongering by misusing our diligent National Guard troops,” Grisham said in a statement. “I recognize and appreciate the legitimate concerns of residents and officials in southwestern New Mexico, particularly Hidalgo County, who have asked for our assistance, as migrants and asylum-seekers continue to appear at their doorstep.”

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poppys said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-mexico-governor-slams-trumps-charade-pulls-national-guard-troops-from-border

New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham Slams Trump’s ‘Charade,’ Pulls Troops From Border

New Mexico’s governor ordered the partial withdrawal of National Guard troops from the U.S. border with Mexico late Tuesday in a challenge to President Donald Trump’s assertion that there’s a security crisis in the region, the Associated Press reports.

Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham announced the decision just before Trump’s State of the Union address.

“New Mexico will not take part in the president’s charade of border fear-mongering by misusing our diligent National Guard troops,” Grisham said in a statement. “I recognize and appreciate the legitimate concerns of residents and officials in southwestern New Mexico, particularly Hidalgo County, who have asked for our assistance, as migrants and asylum-seekers continue to appear at their doorstep.”



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Reply #20 posted 02/06/19 6:38pm

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poppys said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-mexico-governor-slams-trumps-charade-pulls-national-guard-troops-from-border

New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham Slams Trump’s ‘Charade,’ Pulls Troops From Border

New Mexico’s governor ordered the partial withdrawal of National Guard troops from the U.S. border with Mexico late Tuesday in a challenge to President Donald Trump’s assertion that there’s a security crisis in the region, the Associated Press reports.

Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham announced the decision just before Trump’s State of the Union address.

“New Mexico will not take part in the president’s charade of border fear-mongering by misusing our diligent National Guard troops,” Grisham said in a statement. “I recognize and appreciate the legitimate concerns of residents and officials in southwestern New Mexico, particularly Hidalgo County, who have asked for our assistance, as migrants and asylum-seekers continue to appear at their doorstep.”



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Reply #21 posted 02/08/19 8:51am

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Now she made a video. I heart her.

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DiminutiveRocker said:

guitarslinger44 said:


I can't find any quote, but I have found references that the Obama administration was more likely to let children in because of that one girl who died after not having any food or water for days. I realize my friend's story is anecdotal, but he said it was enough of a problem that they were regularly working with ICE agents to sort out whose kids were theirs and whose were not.

I see. wink

You gotta love a nice manufactured boogeyman!

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Reply #23 posted 02/10/19 4:12pm

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Was watching Spike Lee inrerviewed on Colbert... he reference the babies being ripped from their parents at the southern border, the separation of families that are not being reunited... he said it reminded him of what was done to slaves.


neutral a sobering comparison.

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Was watching Spike Lee interviewed on Colbert... he reference the babies being ripped from their parents at the southern border, the separation of families that are not being reunited... he said it reminded him of what was done to slaves.


neutral a sobering comparison.


I saw that too. He was really good, never overtalks in interviews so what he says has meaning. He wouldn't say Trump so Stephen asked him what he calls him - Agent Orange.

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poppys said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Was watching Spike Lee interviewed on Colbert... he reference the babies being ripped from their parents at the southern border, the separation of families that are not being reunited... he said it reminded him of what was done to slaves.


neutral a sobering comparison.


I saw that too. He was really good, never overtalks in interviews so what he says has meaning. He wouldn't say Trump so Stephen asked him what he calls him - Agent Orange.

Agent Orange lol perfect.

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But not caging kids.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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