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Republicans and Conservatives: State your Case

I tried this once before and every conservative here pussied out.

I'm curious, what are the TOP THREE things in the GOP platform that you support? Any policies at all. If you feel like it, explain why but that's not required.

What are TWO things Donald J. Trump has done as president that has improved life for Americans? Or even ONE? What has he done that you are most proud of?

Because I am confused and I don't get it. So...

Enlighten me. These are VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS and very fair ones. Shouldn't take long to answer either.

Go.

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Reply #1 posted 10/07/18 7:32pm

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AS ALWAYS,

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They went crazy with hatred & misogyny this weekend after Kavanaugh was confirmed. Imagine what it would have been like if he wasn't? SMDH

[Edited 10/7/18 19:38pm]

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Reply #2 posted 10/08/18 6:46am

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"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #3 posted 10/08/18 8:44am

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Herb, thanks for the laugh.

GOP: Help the rich and powerful, pretend to love the working class but fuck them, suck up to Christian apostates, wreck the environment, kill rural areas, create crime and drug deaths, recessions abound.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #4 posted 10/08/18 9:08am

Camileyun

herb4 said:

I tried this once before and every conservative here pussied out.

I'm curious, what are the TOP THREE things in the GOP platform that you support? Any policies at all. If you feel like it, explain why but that's not required.

What are TWO things Donald J. Trump has done as president that has improved life for Americans? Or even ONE? What has he done that you are most proud of?

Because I am confused and I don't get it. So...

Enlighten me. These are VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS and very fair ones. Shouldn't take long to answer either.

Go.


Can non-republicans answer? I'll bite, but if you all go off on me, I'm done. (Something makes me think most people know you don't really want to have a conversation, but prefer a lynching.) You just want to pigeonhole people into neat little boxes and refuse to see anything other than your party politics. If you can manage to be apolitical in just one thread, without the nastiness, maybe we could have a conversation. If not, don't waste my time...I already know the 2 party's talking points.
[Edited 10/8/18 9:09am]
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Reply #5 posted 10/08/18 9:35am

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Camileyun said:

herb4 said:

I tried this once before and every conservative here pussied out.

I'm curious, what are the TOP THREE things in the GOP platform that you support? Any policies at all. If you feel like it, explain why but that's not required.

What are TWO things Donald J. Trump has done as president that has improved life for Americans? Or even ONE? What has he done that you are most proud of?

Because I am confused and I don't get it. So...

Enlighten me. These are VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS and very fair ones. Shouldn't take long to answer either.

Go.

Can non-republicans answer? I'll bite, but if you all go off on me, I'm done. (Something makes me think most people know you don't really want to have a conversation, but prefer a lynching.) You just want to pigeonhole people into neat little boxes and refuse to see anything other than your party politics. If you can manage to be apolitical in just one thread, without the nastiness, maybe we could have a conversation. If not, don't waste my time...I already know the 2 party's talking points. [Edited 10/8/18 9:09am]


Nastiness??? 8/17/18 reply to me "... you have a very fascist attitude, which then makes you part of the problem..."

Want more?

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Reply #6 posted 10/08/18 9:43am

Camileyun

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Camileyun said:


herb4 said:

I tried this once before and every conservative here pussied out.

I'm curious, what are the TOP THREE things in the GOP platform that you support? Any policies at all. If you feel like it, explain why but that's not required.

What are TWO things Donald J. Trump has done as president that has improved life for Americans? Or even ONE? What has he done that you are most proud of?

Because I am confused and I don't get it. So...

Enlighten me. These are VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS and very fair ones. Shouldn't take long to answer either.

Go.



Can non-republicans answer? I'll bite, but if you all go off on me, I'm done. (Something makes me think most people know you don't really want to have a conversation, but prefer a lynching.) You just want to pigeonhole people into neat little boxes and refuse to see anything other than your party politics. If you can manage to be apolitical in just one thread, without the nastiness, maybe we could have a conversation. If not, don't waste my time...I already know the 2 party's talking points. [Edited 10/8/18 9:09am]


Nastiness??? 8/17/18 reply to me "... you have a very fascist attitude, which then makes you part of the problem..."

Want more?

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You shoveled it and I responded. Deal with it. You don't need to respond to me, and I stand by every word I said to you after you tried to black-list people.
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Reply #7 posted 10/08/18 9:49am

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Oh no more? I didn't think so. Besides, you're fairly new here. Jumped right in, huh?

[Edited 10/8/18 13:28pm]

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The thing os that posst-Trump's election, so many Republicans now support things that they claim not to have in the past, just because these are now Trump's positions. So it seems that many just go along with what their leaders say, instead of having a consistent set of beliefs.

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Reply #9 posted 10/08/18 10:53am

Camileyun

jjhunsecker said:

The thing os that posst-Trump's election, so many Republicans now support things that they claim not to have in the past, just because these are now Trump's positions. So it seems that many just go along with what their leaders say, instead of having a consistent set of beliefs.



Your last sentence goes for both sides. Can you give an example of your first sentence...they seem pretty set in their ways to me?
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Reply #10 posted 10/08/18 11:01am

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The thing os that posst-Trump's election, so many Republicans now support things that they claim not to have in the past, just because these are now Trump's positions. So it seems that many just go along with what their leaders say, instead of having a consistent set of beliefs.


They're probably wondering: wtf happened to us? How did we end up with this guy? But together we stand, divided we fall, so let's just support him.
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Camileyun said:

jjhunsecker said:

The thing os that posst-Trump's election, so many Republicans now support things that they claim not to have in the past, just because these are now Trump's positions. So it seems that many just go along with what their leaders say, instead of having a consistent set of beliefs.

Your last sentence goes for both sides. Can you give an example of your first sentence...they seem pretty set in their ways to me? [Edited 10/8/18 10:54am]

The tea party , which pretty much took over the party in 2010, attacked Obama over the deficits. Now, not a word, as Trump ramps up the debt.

Bush 43 (and his father and Reagan and McCain and Romney) was for immigration reform - now it's "build a wall and keep "them" outta here ....

In 2012, after losing again to Obama, the RNC wrote a report saying that they needed to expand the base , and become more appealing to a new diverse America. In 2016 and beyond, Trump makes his appeal strictly to aggreived White people, and works to divide America into "us" and "them"...

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Reply #12 posted 10/08/18 12:48pm

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To be fair they mostly attacked Obama for bailing out the banks. Something the left did not take advantage of.

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Camileyun

jjhunsecker said:



Camileyun said:


jjhunsecker said:

The thing os that posst-Trump's election, so many Republicans now support things that they claim not to have in the past, just because these are now Trump's positions. So it seems that many just go along with what their leaders say, instead of having a consistent set of beliefs.



Your last sentence goes for both sides. Can you give an example of your first sentence...they seem pretty set in their ways to me? [Edited 10/8/18 10:54am]

The tea party , which pretty much took over the party in 2010, attacked Obama over the deficits. Now, not a word, as Trump ramps up the debt.



Bush 43 (and his father and Reagan and McCain and Romney) was for immigration reform - now it's "build a wall and keep "them" outta here ....



In 2012, after losing again to Obama, the RNC wrote a report saying that they needed to expand the base , and become more appealing to a new diverse America. In 2016 and beyond, Trump makes his appeal strictly to aggreived White people, and works to divide America into "us" and "them"...





The Tea Party is pretty much defunct at this point, but, as I recall, they were for lowering taxes, which the Republicans did (as anemic as it was and with a time limitation...way to stand by their convictions). Running up the deficit is "unpatriotic", as Obama once said, then he proceeded to do it! The Republicans can't agree on cutting spending, either, and we're all going to pay for it in the end!
Reagan tried the amnesty route and went to Mexico to try to come to some agreement that would eliminate the need for a "nine foot wall". Neither stopped the flow of people illegally entering the country. Reagan wanted a compassionate solution to the problem, but he also believed a country without borders is not a country.
I feel that Republicans have a hard time agreeing on anything, no matter if they have the House, the Senate and the Presidency. Whereas, the Democrats are usually pretty lock step with each other...You pretty much know what to expect from them.
To your last point, both parties are guilty of that, and we're playing into Russia's hands...they believe chaos will destroy the western way of life.
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Reply #14 posted 10/08/18 1:18pm

Camileyun

As to Herb4's question, I believe having a GDP over 4% and an unemployment rate at 3.7% is good for us all. I also believe that eliminating some of the regulations that had a chokehold on business and lowering the corporate rates to encourage repatriation was a good move (though, at some point, it may cause hyperinflation, which is not good). We shall see.
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Camileyun said:

jjhunsecker said:

The tea party , which pretty much took over the party in 2010, attacked Obama over the deficits. Now, not a word, as Trump ramps up the debt.

Bush 43 (and his father and Reagan and McCain and Romney) was for immigration reform - now it's "build a wall and keep "them" outta here ....

In 2012, after losing again to Obama, the RNC wrote a report saying that they needed to expand the base , and become more appealing to a new diverse America. In 2016 and beyond, Trump makes his appeal strictly to aggreived White people, and works to divide America into "us" and "them"...

The Tea Party is pretty much defunct at this point, but, as I recall, they were for lowering taxes, which the Republicans did (as anemic as it was and with a time limitation...way to stand by their convictions). Running up the deficit is "unpatriotic", as Obama once said, then he proceeded to do it! The Republicans can't agree on cutting spending, either, and we're all going to pay for it in the end! Reagan tried the amnesty route and went to Mexico to try to come to some agreement that would eliminate the need for a "nine foot wall". Neither stopped the flow of people illegally entering the country. Reagan wanted a compassionate solution to the problem, but he also believed a country without borders is not a country. I feel that Republicans have a hard time agreeing on anything, no matter if they have the House, the Senate and the Presidency. Whereas, the Democrats are usually pretty lock step with each other...You pretty much know what to expect from them. To your last point, both parties are guilty of that, and we're playing into Russia's hands...they believe chaos will destroy the western way of life.

Nobody has ever said they want a country without borders. But there must be some way to deal with people who are already here, and have families. What I have seen in Trump's treatment is inhumane. And they never seem to go after the people actually HIRING all these undocumented workers...Wonder why ??

I don't think Democrats in this day and age sow division, as Republicans have, especially in this last election. From a purely practical standpoint alone, Democrats have to appeal to a broad and diverse group of people in order to suceed. Obama proved that. Whereas Trump was able to win with a smaller and less diverse coalition of voters. And he continues to play to only his base, making absolutely no effort to reach out to all Americans.

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jjhunsecker said:

Camileyun said:

jjhunsecker said: The Tea Party is pretty much defunct at this point, but, as I recall, they were for lowering taxes, which the Republicans did (as anemic as it was and with a time limitation...way to stand by their convictions). Running up the deficit is "unpatriotic", as Obama once said, then he proceeded to do it! The Republicans can't agree on cutting spending, either, and we're all going to pay for it in the end! Reagan tried the amnesty route and went to Mexico to try to come to some agreement that would eliminate the need for a "nine foot wall". Neither stopped the flow of people illegally entering the country. Reagan wanted a compassionate solution to the problem, but he also believed a country without borders is not a country. I feel that Republicans have a hard time agreeing on anything, no matter if they have the House, the Senate and the Presidency. Whereas, the Democrats are usually pretty lock step with each other...You pretty much know what to expect from them. To your last point, both parties are guilty of that, and we're playing into Russia's hands...they believe chaos will destroy the western way of life.

Nobody has ever said they want a country without borders. But there must be some way to deal with people who are already here, and have families. What I have seen in Trump's treatment is inhumane. And they never seem to go after the people actually HIRING all these undocumented workers...Wonder why ??

I don't think Democrats in this day and age sow division, as Republicans have, especially in this last election. From a purely practical standpoint alone, Democrats have to appeal to a broad and diverse group of people in order to suceed. Obama proved that. Whereas Trump was able to win with a smaller and less diverse coalition of voters. And he continues to play to only his base, making absolutely no effort to reach out to all Americans.

Exactly - his language is divisive and all he does is blame blame blame - (e.g. Linsay Graham during the K confirmation) more times than not the blame is unfounded but his base does not care. He is playing to people who do not fact check or even seek the facts - and think everything spewing from his piehole is fact. He has his base convinced that all media is fake except for Fox - that is some fucked up shit. It's a very dangerous game.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #17 posted 10/08/18 1:39pm

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Another script flip. Republicans used to be referred to as being in lockstep (even in pride amongst themselves), which is actually the truth. Now suddenly we are being told it's Democrats in lockstep. That's so funny. Guess we can at least still read AND remember.

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listen to Hannity for 5 min ... he goes on and on about the reasons why trump should stay in office forever ...

I just happened to listen for a few min today before i had to cleanse myself in the waters of NPR ...

but they point to the negotiating the trade .... making it better for US workers .... Korea negotiations ... not giving into iran and handing them money like Obama did ... border security ... tax cuts for everyone ... etc ...

(for a matter of reference ... i am a Republican but not a Trump supporter)

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Camileyun

jjhunsecker said:



Camileyun said:


jjhunsecker said:


The tea party , which pretty much took over the party in 2010, attacked Obama over the deficits. Now, not a word, as Trump ramps up the debt.



Bush 43 (and his father and Reagan and McCain and Romney) was for immigration reform - now it's "build a wall and keep "them" outta here ....



In 2012, after losing again to Obama, the RNC wrote a report saying that they needed to expand the base , and become more appealing to a new diverse America. In 2016 and beyond, Trump makes his appeal strictly to aggreived White people, and works to divide America into "us" and "them"...





The Tea Party is pretty much defunct at this point, but, as I recall, they were for lowering taxes, which the Republicans did (as anemic as it was and with a time limitation...way to stand by their convictions). Running up the deficit is "unpatriotic", as Obama once said, then he proceeded to do it! The Republicans can't agree on cutting spending, either, and we're all going to pay for it in the end! Reagan tried the amnesty route and went to Mexico to try to come to some agreement that would eliminate the need for a "nine foot wall". Neither stopped the flow of people illegally entering the country. Reagan wanted a compassionate solution to the problem, but he also believed a country without borders is not a country. I feel that Republicans have a hard time agreeing on anything, no matter if they have the House, the Senate and the Presidency. Whereas, the Democrats are usually pretty lock step with each other...You pretty much know what to expect from them. To your last point, both parties are guilty of that, and we're playing into Russia's hands...they believe chaos will destroy the western way of life.


Nobody has ever said they want a country without borders. But there must be some way to deal with people who are already here, and have families. What I have seen in Trump's treatment is inhumane. And they never seem to go after the people actually HIRING all these undocumented workers...Wonder why ??



I don't think Democrats in this day and age sow division, as Republicans have, especially in this last election. From a purely practical standpoint alone, Democrats have to appeal to a broad and diverse group of people in order to suceed. Obama proved that. Whereas Trump was able to win with a smaller and less diverse coalition of voters. And he continues to play to only his base, making absolutely no effort to reach out to all Americans.




Sure they do. They both have a hand in it. They try to pit men against women, rich against poor, race against race, gender I.d. etc. Everyone is a victim of something which causes dissent and an "I deserve what you have" mentality. So many people are actually repulsed by Trump and his persona, so I'm not sure reaching out to those people would be effective. So, maybe a better economy will have to suffice, since it helps us all. No matter who's fault it is (and we'll agree to disagree on that) what do we do now? Cuz when Trump' s gone and everyone still hates each other, it's gonna' suck. People have lost trust in each other and friendships have been lost over what? Politics. So sad.
Out of all those candidates that ran against Trump in the primaries, and they picked him? I never could figure out who his base really is.
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DiminutiveRocker said:



jjhunsecker said:




Camileyun said:


jjhunsecker said: The Tea Party is pretty much defunct at this point, but, as I recall, they were for lowering taxes, which the Republicans did (as anemic as it was and with a time limitation...way to stand by their convictions). Running up the deficit is "unpatriotic", as Obama once said, then he proceeded to do it! The Republicans can't agree on cutting spending, either, and we're all going to pay for it in the end! Reagan tried the amnesty route and went to Mexico to try to come to some agreement that would eliminate the need for a "nine foot wall". Neither stopped the flow of people illegally entering the country. Reagan wanted a compassionate solution to the problem, but he also believed a country without borders is not a country. I feel that Republicans have a hard time agreeing on anything, no matter if they have the House, the Senate and the Presidency. Whereas, the Democrats are usually pretty lock step with each other...You pretty much know what to expect from them. To your last point, both parties are guilty of that, and we're playing into Russia's hands...they believe chaos will destroy the western way of life.


Nobody has ever said they want a country without borders. But there must be some way to deal with people who are already here, and have families. What I have seen in Trump's treatment is inhumane. And they never seem to go after the people actually HIRING all these undocumented workers...Wonder why ??



I don't think Democrats in this day and age sow division, as Republicans have, especially in this last election. From a purely practical standpoint alone, Democrats have to appeal to a broad and diverse group of people in order to suceed. Obama proved that. Whereas Trump was able to win with a smaller and less diverse coalition of voters. And he continues to play to only his base, making absolutely no effort to reach out to all Americans.




Exactly - his language is divisive and all he does is blame blame blame - (e.g. Linsay Graham during the K confirmation) more times than not the blame is unfounded but his base does not care. He is playing to people who do not fact check or even seek the facts - and think everything spewing from his piehole is fact. He has his base convinced that all media is fake except for Fox - that is some fucked up shit. It's a very dangerous game.


That's true...I avoid listening when he goes off, but to be honest, I don't listen to most people in Washington, and I take breaks from all news. You don't miss much and if someone lobs a nuke over here, I figure someone will give me a head's up.
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Camileyun

poppys said:

Another script flip. Republicans used to be referred to as being in lockstep (even in pride amongst themselves), which is actually the truth. Now suddenly we are being told it's Democrats in lockstep. That's so funny. Guess we can at least still read AND remember.



You see things differently than I do. They have all 3 branches, and can't agree on anything, so nothing gets done. I do agree the Democrats were divided during the election into the Bernie or Hillary camps,but, since the election, they are pretty cohesive in their quest to counteract all things Trump.
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Camileyun

ColAngus said:

listen to Hannity for 5 min ... he goes on and on about the reasons why trump should stay in office forever ...



I just happened to listen for a few min today before i had to cleanse myself in the waters of NPR ...



but they point to the negotiating the trade .... making it better for US workers .... Korea negotiations ... not giving into iran and handing them money like Obama did ... border security ... tax cuts for everyone ... etc ...



(for a matter of reference ... i am a Republican but not a Trump supporter)



lol Hannity should record it once and just push play...but the other stuff you mentioned is good, right? (except the trade issue...tariffs have never been a good idea, but, so far, its been OK as far as I know).
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Camileyun said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Exactly - his language is divisive and all he does is blame blame blame - (e.g. Linsay Graham during the K confirmation) more times than not the blame is unfounded but his base does not care. He is playing to people who do not fact check or even seek the facts - and think everything spewing from his piehole is fact. He has his base convinced that all media is fake except for Fox - that is some fucked up shit. It's a very dangerous game.

That's true...I avoid listening when he goes off, but to be honest, I don't listen to most people in Washington, and I take breaks from all news. You don't miss much and if someone lobs a nuke over here, I figure someone will give me a head's up. missile


you'll get a text or a tweet if that happens mobile

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DiminutiveRocker said:



Camileyun said:


DiminutiveRocker said:



Exactly - his language is divisive and all he does is blame blame blame - (e.g. Linsay Graham during the K confirmation) more times than not the blame is unfounded but his base does not care. He is playing to people who do not fact check or even seek the facts - and think everything spewing from his piehole is fact. He has his base convinced that all media is fake except for Fox - that is some fucked up shit. It's a very dangerous game.



That's true...I avoid listening when he goes off, but to be honest, I don't listen to most people in Washington, and I take breaks from all news. You don't miss much and if someone lobs a nuke over here, I figure someone will give me a head's up. missile


you'll get a text or a tweet if that happens mobile



Oh yeah...like the SNL skit this weekend...pretty funny.
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Camileyun said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


you'll get a text or a tweet if that happens mobile

Oh yeah...like the SNL skit this weekend...pretty funny.


No...not like SNL skits ... no no no!

I meant, you will get a text from the president in case of national disaster or alerts. Do you not have a cell phone?

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herb4 said:

I tried this once before and every conservative here pussied out.

I'm curious, what are the TOP THREE things in the GOP platform that you support? Any policies at all. If you feel like it, explain why but that's not required.

What are TWO things Donald J. Trump has done as president that has improved life for Americans? Or even ONE? What has he done that you are most proud of?

Because I am confused and I don't get it. So...

Enlighten me. These are VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS and very fair ones. Shouldn't take long to answer either.

Go.



They have no case. They play characters and are nothing more than the equivalent of bots that regurgitate “thr team” the play for. There is nothing there. No case.
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Camileyun said:

jjhunsecker said:



Camileyun said:


jjhunsecker said:


The tea party , which pretty much took over the party in 2010, attacked Obama over the deficits. Now, not a word, as Trump ramps up the debt.



Bush 43 (and his father and Reagan and McCain and Romney) was for immigration reform - now it's "build a wall and keep "them" outta here ....



In 2012, after losing again to Obama, the RNC wrote a report saying that they needed to expand the base , and become more appealing to a new diverse America. In 2016 and beyond, Trump makes his appeal strictly to aggreived White people, and works to divide America into "us" and "them"...





The Tea Party is pretty much defunct at this point, but, as I recall, they were for lowering taxes, which the Republicans did (as anemic as it was and with a time limitation...way to stand by their convictions). Running up the deficit is "unpatriotic", as Obama once said, then he proceeded to do it! The Republicans can't agree on cutting spending, either, and we're all going to pay for it in the end! Reagan tried the amnesty route and went to Mexico to try to come to some agreement that would eliminate the need for a "nine foot wall". Neither stopped the flow of people illegally entering the country. Reagan wanted a compassionate solution to the problem, but he also believed a country without borders is not a country. I feel that Republicans have a hard time agreeing on anything, no matter if they have the House, the Senate and the Presidency. Whereas, the Democrats are usually pretty lock step with each other...You pretty much know what to expect from them. To your last point, both parties are guilty of that, and we're playing into Russia's hands...they believe chaos will destroy the western way of life.


Nobody has ever said they want a country without borders. But there must be some way to deal with people who are already here, and have families. What I have seen in Trump's treatment is inhumane. And they never seem to go after the people actually HIRING all these undocumented workers...Wonder why ??



I don't think Democrats in this day and age sow division, as Republicans have, especially in this last election. From a purely practical standpoint alone, Democrats have to appeal to a broad and diverse group of people in order to suceed. Obama proved that. Whereas Trump was able to win with a smaller and less diverse coalition of voters. And he continues to play to only his base, making absolutely no effort to reach out to all Americans.




Sure they do. They both have a hand in it. They try to pit men against women, rich against poor, race against race, gender I.d. etc. Everyone is a victim of something which causes dissent and an "I deserve what you have" mentality. So many people are actually repulsed by Trump and his persona, so I'm not sure reaching out to those people would be effective. So, maybe a better economy will have to suffice, since it helps us all. No matter who's fault it is (and we'll agree to disagree on that) what do we do now? Cuz when Trump' s gone and everyone still hates each other, it's gonna' suck. People have lost trust in each other and friendships have been lost over what? Politics. So sad.
Out of all those candidates that ran against Trump in the primaries, and they picked him? I never could figure out who his base really is.


This is a false equivalency. What Democratic politician has pitted "men against women " or "race against race". Pointing out that sexism and racism and classism still exists, and yes, because of those things, there ARE "winners and losers ". You have to identify these problems in order to fix them. Whereas Trump, in particular, fosters an "Us vs. Them" paradigm, and demonizes certain people in order to rally his side, as division suits his goals.
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Reply #28 posted 10/08/18 3:23pm

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Reply #29 posted 10/08/18 4:17pm

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I tried this once before and every conservative here pussied out.

I'm curious, what are the TOP THREE things in the GOP platform that you support? Any policies at all. If you feel like it, explain why but that's not required.

What are TWO things Donald J. Trump has done as president that has improved life for Americans? Or even ONE? What has he done that you are most proud of?

Because I am confused and I don't get it. So...

Enlighten me. These are VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS and very fair ones. Shouldn't take long to answer either.

Go.

1 Better trade deals. While this is a wait and see. There was a overwhemlingly skeptical view of renogiateing NAFTA.

2 Border security. Incomplete, but I believe it's important to understand who is in house, neighborhood, town, state and country.

"improved"

The tax cut was/is a benefit. Being able to move that directly in to our 401K.

The supreme court nominations.

I have never been proud of any our Presidents. They have all had moments, but overall meh.

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