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Brett Kavanaugh confirmed to Supreme Court

: confirmation-vote/index.html
October 6 2018
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and the value of women's rights takes a giant step backwards.
while the impressionable youth are being sent a horrendous message regarding the respect of women and young females.
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Reply #1 posted 10/06/18 2:14pm

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You know, being accused of sexual misconduct (true or not) might actually have helped him. People thinking: oh no, not that metoo movement again!
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Reply #3 posted 10/06/18 5:19pm

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Maybe we should fly our flags at half-mast.

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Reply #4 posted 10/06/18 5:40pm

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The damage Republicans have done to Americans' understanding of legal terms, criminal investigation, and the types of evidence deemed reliable in sex-crime cases is incalculable. Forget Kavanaugh—millions of sexual assault victims will suffer because of what Republicans did here.

Susan Collins stood up and said that "corroboration" in sex-crime cases requires either eyewitnesses or a confession. She said that the suspects in a sex crime are "witnesses" who must confirm their accuser's account. Stop and think about what that means for women in America.

Collins stood up and said that certain sexual assault allegations—see Ramirez—can be ignored, presumably because they're not attempted rapes, they're "only" sexual assaults. And then she lied about the content of a sworn and corroborated affidavit (Swetnick) for partisan gain.

Collins and her peers said that not only do uncharged sexual assaults from one's youth not matter—people can change—but that that same forgiveness should be extended to those who never take responsibility for their crimes and lie repeatedly under oath as an adult to hide them.

The Republican Party is endangering women's lives by revamping the nation's understanding of evidence collection and even moral culpability in sexual assault and rape cases. They've mis-educated a nation on violence against women to score a cheap political win. That is *evil*.

Swetnick's sworn affidavit—corroborated by another accuser's sworn affidavit—says Kavanaugh and Judge groped women and spiked drinks at parties where women were taken advantage of. Collins discussed that affidavit like it was *insane*—not the *known* "rape culture" in America.

Collins lied about Swetnick and Accuser #4's sworn affidavits. She said that the women had accused Kavanaugh and Judge of doing what *Judge later confessed to doing* to his girlfriend—having sex with an incapacitated woman. But *neither* Swetnick *nor* Accuser #4 alleged that.

There's no convention of discourse that prevents us from calling Republicans "rape enablers" in this instance—as that's literally what they did. They called sexual assault suspects mere "witnesses"; lied about sworn affidavits; lied about evidence; and demanded no contrition.

Moreover, they advanced specious—and misogynistic—defenses to sexual assault, saying that sex crimes in one's youth shouldn't matter when one is an adult *even if one never takes responsibility for one's actions and one lies repeatedly under oath before Congress to hide them*.

The facts here gave Republicans *every possible chance* to do the honorable thing: ask Trump to nominate another conservative—perhaps one like Gorsuch, who just *months earlier* sailed through to confirmation despite GOP claims now that the Democrats would "never" allow that.

Republicans could've withheld their votes on Kavanaugh because he never acknowledged culpability for his past acts; because he perjured himself; because he demonstrated a lack of temperament; because he bared partisan ambitions and threatened Democrats. But no, *all* ignored.

One reason I'm so angry is I'm in many respects a *moderate Democrat*. I *want* to believe in compromise, a strong two-party system, both sides' basic good faith. But GOP malfeasance has made it impossible to see the GOP right now as anything other than an instrument of evil.

I don't know what happened. I don't think Collins is "evil," or Flake is "evil," or that most GOP senators are—but I think they allowed themselves to become agency-less instruments of men that history *will* deem evil (as we do Benedict Arnold), including Trump and McConnell.

Why do we pretend history doesn't deem certain men to have perpetrated so much evil that we see them—in totality—as villains? Consider George Wallace, or Nathan Bedford Forrest, or Charles Lindbergh. Can it be doubted that Trump and McConnell are causing as much or more harm?

There was a path of bipartisanship here: to have allowed Merrick Garland on the court because Obama nominated him *months* before any "Biden Rule" (not a rule, by the way) would've come into effect. Then Gorsuch could've gotten Kennedy's seat. It *didn't have to go this way*.

Republican leaders declared war on our traditions and institutions—and in so doing placed themselves on the wrong side of history's "heroes-and-villains" line. This *isn't* about GOP presidents not getting conservative Justices—they *do*. This is about honoring US traditions.

Democrats would've—of course—allowed votes on conservative Justices nominated by a Republican president had not McConnell stolen a Supreme Court seat and then allowed Trump to nominate a man who committed crimes—*crimes*—on national television in trying to hide his past ones.

Instead, right-wing media paints the Democratic position as an *insane* one I don't even recognize—one that, unlike what I've discussed here, there's no evidence to substantiate. So no, this isn't a "both sides" issue—one of our great parties has gone *totally off the rails*.

I don't know the right prescription here. I *certainly* know it *doesn't* involve violence of any kind. But if you ask whether Democrats should set as a transparent goal legally, peacefully and through voting removing the GOP from any political authority for a generation—yes.

The Republican Party has shown itself capable of—and *interested in*—destroying American democracy, norms, and spirit in the interest of accruing power. An organization with that ambition should be no part of American public life until it has redefined itself completely.

--- Seth Abramson

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Reply #5 posted 10/06/18 6:05pm

IanRG

benni said:

The damage Republicans have done to Americans' understanding of legal terms, criminal investigation, and the types of evidence deemed reliable in sex-crime cases is incalculable. Forget Kavanaugh—millions of sexual assault victims will suffer because of what Republicans did here.

Susan Collins stood up and said that "corroboration" in sex-crime cases requires either eyewitnesses or a confession. She said that the suspects in a sex crime are "witnesses" who must confirm their accuser's account. Stop and think about what that means for women in America.

Collins stood up and said that certain sexual assault allegations—see Ramirez—can be ignored, presumably because they're not attempted rapes, they're "only" sexual assaults. And then she lied about the content of a sworn and corroborated affidavit (Swetnick) for partisan gain.

Collins and her peers said that not only do uncharged sexual assaults from one's youth not matter—people can change—but that that same forgiveness should be extended to those who never take responsibility for their crimes and lie repeatedly under oath as an adult to hide them.

The Republican Party is endangering women's lives by revamping the nation's understanding of evidence collection and even moral culpability in sexual assault and rape cases. They've mis-educated a nation on violence against women to score a cheap political win. That is *evil*.

Swetnick's sworn affidavit—corroborated by another accuser's sworn affidavit—says Kavanaugh and Judge groped women and spiked drinks at parties where women were taken advantage of. Collins discussed that affidavit like it was *insane*—not the *known* "rape culture" in America.

Collins lied about Swetnick and Accuser #4's sworn affidavits. She said that the women had accused Kavanaugh and Judge of doing what *Judge later confessed to doing* to his girlfriend—having sex with an incapacitated woman. But *neither* Swetnick *nor* Accuser #4 alleged that.

There's no convention of discourse that prevents us from calling Republicans "rape enablers" in this instance—as that's literally what they did. They called sexual assault suspects mere "witnesses"; lied about sworn affidavits; lied about evidence; and demanded no contrition.

Moreover, they advanced specious—and misogynistic—defenses to sexual assault, saying that sex crimes in one's youth shouldn't matter when one is an adult *even if one never takes responsibility for one's actions and one lies repeatedly under oath before Congress to hide them*.

The facts here gave Republicans *every possible chance* to do the honorable thing: ask Trump to nominate another conservative—perhaps one like Gorsuch, who just *months earlier* sailed through to confirmation despite GOP claims now that the Democrats would "never" allow that.

Republicans could've withheld their votes on Kavanaugh because he never acknowledged culpability for his past acts; because he perjured himself; because he demonstrated a lack of temperament; because he bared partisan ambitions and threatened Democrats. But no, *all* ignored.

One reason I'm so angry is I'm in many respects a *moderate Democrat*. I *want* to believe in compromise, a strong two-party system, both sides' basic good faith. But GOP malfeasance has made it impossible to see the GOP right now as anything other than an instrument of evil.

I don't know what happened. I don't think Collins is "evil," or Flake is "evil," or that most GOP senators are—but I think they allowed themselves to become agency-less instruments of men that history *will* deem evil (as we do Benedict Arnold), including Trump and McConnell.

Why do we pretend history doesn't deem certain men to have perpetrated so much evil that we see them—in totality—as villains? Consider George Wallace, or Nathan Bedford Forrest, or Charles Lindbergh. Can it be doubted that Trump and McConnell are causing as much or more harm?

There was a path of bipartisanship here: to have allowed Merrick Garland on the court because Obama nominated him *months* before any "Biden Rule" (not a rule, by the way) would've come into effect. Then Gorsuch could've gotten Kennedy's seat. It *didn't have to go this way*.

Republican leaders declared war on our traditions and institutions—and in so doing placed themselves on the wrong side of history's "heroes-and-villains" line. This *isn't* about GOP presidents not getting conservative Justices—they *do*. This is about honoring US traditions.

Democrats would've—of course—allowed votes on conservative Justices nominated by a Republican president had not McConnell stolen a Supreme Court seat and then allowed Trump to nominate a man who committed crimes—*crimes*—on national television in trying to hide his past ones.

Instead, right-wing media paints the Democratic position as an *insane* one I don't even recognize—one that, unlike what I've discussed here, there's no evidence to substantiate. So no, this isn't a "both sides" issue—one of our great parties has gone *totally off the rails*.

I don't know the right prescription here. I *certainly* know it *doesn't* involve violence of any kind. But if you ask whether Democrats should set as a transparent goal legally, peacefully and through voting removing the GOP from any political authority for a generation—yes.

The Republican Party has shown itself capable of—and *interested in*—destroying American democracy, norms, and spirit in the interest of accruing power. An organization with that ambition should be no part of American public life until it has redefined itself completely.

--- Seth Abramson

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It is a truly sorry day for survivors of sexual violence.

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This will empower the perpetrators and make it so much more difficult for abused people. It will perpetuate the myth that there are many false claims when all the statistics point to this being rare. It will enable the paedophiles, the abusers of women and of men. Ironically, it will make it harder for the vast majority of men who have not held women down to grope them and worse.

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In Australia I have seen reports that the limited FBI review did not even include interviews of either Ford or Kavanaugh! Is this true?

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Reply #6 posted 10/06/18 6:31pm

lollipop2

free2bFreeda2 said:

: confirmation-vote/index.html October 6 2018 🤓 and the value of women's rights takes a giant step backwards. while the impressionable youth are being sent a horrendous message regarding the respect of women and young females.

There was no mention of his 12 years of serving in US court of appeal....isnt that what is more important? People just love to hear and believe rumors or whatever anybody chose to call it...politics just got worse in America...it's shameful....

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Reply #7 posted 10/06/18 7:17pm

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Reply #8 posted 10/06/18 9:00pm

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troll be gone!!

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Reply #9 posted 10/06/18 11:07pm

benni

IanRG said:

benni said:

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It is a truly sorry day for survivors of sexual violence.

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This will empower the perpetrators and make it so much more difficult for abused people. It will perpetuate the myth that there are many false claims when all the statistics point to this being rare. It will enable the paedophiles, the abusers of women and of men. Ironically, it will make it harder for the vast majority of men who have not held women down to grope them and worse.

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In Australia I have seen reports that the limited FBI review did not even include interviews of either Ford or Kavanaugh! Is this true?


That is true. They were not allowed to interview either Ford or Kavanaugh. They were told that since they testified before the Senators, that would count as their interview. The problem is that even the female prosecutor they brought in to question Dr. Ford stated that the 5 minute segments, with no follow up questions, and in front of everyone, was NOT the way to interview a victim.

They were also not allowed to interview anyone that could corroborate the allegations, or that could provide evidence to the fact that Kavanaugh lied under oath about his drinking. If they had been able to, it could have led to a reasonable doubt, since it is possible he blacked out and would have had no recall of the incident if it were proven that he drank to excess.

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Reply #10 posted 10/06/18 11:21pm

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Reply #11 posted 10/06/18 11:28pm

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PurpleSkipper, I've reported you for trolling these threads.

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Reply #12 posted 10/07/18 12:47am

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PurpleSkipper, I've reported you for trolling these threads.

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Reply #13 posted 10/07/18 10:12am

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Back when Barack Obama was president, Senator Rand Paul said we don't to follow the rulings of the Supreme Court because it's just five men's opinions.

I wonder if he still feels the same way?

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Reply #14 posted 10/07/18 10:53am

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Ford could not have lied. She even put another witness in the room with Kavanaugh. Who would make that up? Also it was obvious Kavanaugh was lying his ass off.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #15 posted 10/07/18 10:58am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Ford could not have lied. She even put another witness in the room with Kavanaugh. Who would make that up? Also it was obvious Kavanaugh was lying his ass off.


No proof. Not guilty. That’s how it is in this country. Deal with it, darling
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Reply #16 posted 10/07/18 11:03am

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PurpleSkipper58 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Ford could not have lied. She even put another witness in the room with Kavanaugh. Who would make that up? Also it was obvious Kavanaugh was lying his ass off.

No proof. Not guilty. That’s how it is in this country. Deal with it, darling


The "investigation" did not follow up on leads that would corroborate witnesses, thanks to Trump and the McConnell.

It was not truly an investigation as it was a job interviewed, which he failed at in the eyes of most people. You can gloat all you want, but when you start losing rights, you can't complain without looking like a hypocrit. Live with it.

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Reply #17 posted 10/07/18 11:15am

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PurpleSkipper58 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Ford could not have lied. She even put another witness in the room with Kavanaugh. Who would make that up? Also it was obvious Kavanaugh was lying his ass off.

No proof. Not guilty. That’s how it is in this country. Deal with it, darling

It wasn't a trial. lol He wasn't proven not guilty. Sheesh.

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Reply #18 posted 10/07/18 11:21am

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Susan Collins: Dark money from liberal groups. Utter idiocy.

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Reply #19 posted 10/07/18 11:21am

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Some moderate.

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I'll bet you that Joe Manchin thought he had a deal with Mitch McConnell that the GOP wouldn't try to unseat him next month. Ha, joke's on him:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/...index.html


(CNN)Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the Republican Party will still challenge Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia despite his help confirming Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.

"We appreciate his vote for Judge Kavanaugh," the Kentucky senator said Sunday on CBS's "Face The Nation." "I think it was the right thing to do. But we're trying to win seats."

While McConnell said he appreciates Manchin's support, he also pointed out that he is "still a Democrat."

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While recent polls have shown Manchin leading his 2018 race, an increasingly polarized political environment still makes him vulnerable.

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Reply #21 posted 10/08/18 7:15am

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PennyPurple said:

PurpleSkipper58 said:

2freaky4church1 said: No proof. Not guilty. That’s how it is in this country. Deal with it, darling

It wasn't a trial. lol He wasn't proven not guilty. Sheesh.


Nope - was not proven to be anything but THEE most unpopular SCOTUS nominee in history.


50-48 - the slimmest maring in nearly 100 years.


I heard Collins' opponent's website crashed from so many donations lol
How do I give now? wink








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Reply #22 posted 10/08/18 8:40am

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PennyPurple said:

It wasn't a trial. lol He wasn't proven not guilty. Sheesh.


Nope - was not proven to be anything but THEE most unpopular SCOTUS nominee in history.


50-48 - the slimmest maring in nearly 100 years.


I heard Collins' opponent's website crashed from so many donations lol
How do I give now? wink


Posted that on freaky's original Kavanaugh thread. Link below.

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Reply #23 posted 10/08/18 10:44am

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This was the inevitable result of the 2016 election.

I understand the anger and frustration. But if you're mad about it, respond by voting in every election. Starting with this one.

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namepeace said:

This was the inevitable result of the 2016 election.

I understand the anger and frustration. But if you're mad about it, respond by voting in every election. Starting with this one.

That is very true. Which is why I exhorted people to make sure they voted in 2016, and this was certainly not an election to waste your vote on third-party candidates or protest votes. Too much was at stake in that election, and unfortunately, we are seeing how low America could sink, and how fragile democracy really is

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namepeace said:

This was the inevitable result of the 2016 election.

I understand the anger and frustration. But if you're mad about it, respond by voting in every election. Starting with this one.

As long as the electorial college exists..........it has been proven that the popular vote doesn't matter.

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Graycap23 said:

namepeace said:

This was the inevitable result of the 2016 election.

I understand the anger and frustration. But if you're mad about it, respond by voting in every election. Starting with this one.

As long as the electorial college exists..........it has been proven that the popular vote doesn't matter.

In this day and age, the Electoral College is just a scam. All votes should be equal, and whoever gets the most should be the winner.

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jjhunsecker said:

Graycap23 said:

As long as the electorial college exists..........it has been proven that the popular vote doesn't matter.

In this day and age, the Electoral College is just a scam. All votes should be equal, and whoever gets the most should be the winner.

It has always been a scam........an there is ZERO effort 2 get rid of it.

Bush & Trump used it 2 get elected.

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