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Truth & Lies: Jonestown Paradise Lost

I don't get to much into horror movies like I used to, unless I'm with people

But watching this documentary, with live record speeches by J Jones, and video footage is horror enough. This guy was a social path from childhood. Killing animals and having funeral services with the neighborhood kids, to forced sex with 'EVERYONE'

The stuff that went on in that 'church' which it never was, and the back of the bus and all the secret back rooms, the methods he used to control people

Hearing the audio of the 'suicides' taking place... I never understood it before the way it really happened.

A 'political' deviant anti-socialist wrapped in the varied social-political climate of the times and religiosity. This guy was pure evil from birth.

He reminds me of twoo different events and person: Charles Manson and Roman emperor Nero 37 - 68 AD

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https://abcnews.go.com/US...t-58006473

40 years after Jonestown massacre, ex-members describe Jim Jones as a 'real monster'

At the time of his death, Jim Jones held such power over his followers that he was able to direct more than 900 of them to participate in a mass murder-suicide.

Jones was the leader of the Peoples Temple, a ministry of his own devising that convinced hundreds of Americans to move to his compound, known as Jonestown, in the South American nation of Guyana. Of the 918 Americans who lost their lives in the Jonestown massacre on Nov. 18, 1978, investigators determined 907 died from ingesting poison, including nearly 300 children. They used cyanide, and either injected it into people with syringes or mixed it with a powdered soft drink called Flavor Aid.

Others were shot or stabbed that day. Jones himself was found with a single bullet wound to the head.

The tragedy spawned the phrase "drinking the Kool-Aid" to describe blindly following someone, although that brand of powdered drink wasn't used that day and some survivors of the massacre dispute the claim that everyone who died at Jonestown willingly followed Jones to their deaths.

"The reality is that it was not some giant, 'Let's get together and die for Jim Jones moment'" said Tim Carter, a former member of the Peoples Temple, who escaped death that day only because a top aide of Jones sent him away from the compound to go on a last mission for the church. "It was exactly the opposite. That was my experience. What happened in Jonestown was murder."

Before Jones became known as an unhinged religious leader, he was a kid growing up outside the small town of Crete, Indiana. He said in an interview once that he was born on the wrong side of the tracks, an outcast who found a home in the Pentecostal church.

Captivated by the charismatic style of Pentecostal and Methodist preachers, Jones became a preacher himself. He rose to prominence in the 1950s and founded his ministry, the Peoples Temple, in which Jones, who was white, promoted social justice, racial and class equality and desegregation. But some of his former followers said he paid lip service to those ideas to lure people in.

"He was a predator who had really … mastered the art of luring people from every segment of life," said former Peoples Temple member Yulanda Williams.

PHOTO: Peoples Temple leader Jim Jones is pictured with his wife and their children.

As time went on, former members said Jones became more extreme, manipulating his congregants with blackmail and administering humiliating beatings to those who displeased him. Former members also said he abused drugs and alcohol.

"Punishment became a normal thing," said Williams, one of the former members. "His behavior became totally irrational. You begin to just go with the flow out of fear. Fear of the fact that if you left the church, what you might experience, what danger might be brought to you."

"He started to alienate you from your families … destroy that family unit," she continued. "So that then he could become the predator, but also the one who was the provider of every need that you required in life."

Some former members said he would also practice "fake suicides" in small groups. "Dying for the cause" was something some former members said Jones brought up regularly.

In 1974, Jones leased more than 3,800 acres of isolated land in the jungle from the Guyanese government. He believed that the mostly English-speaking South American country could become a sort of utopia for his California-based congregation.

"He even showed us this movie about the Jewish concentration camps, called 'Night and Fog," Williams said. "He said, 'This is what they have planned for people of color. We've got to build our land up over there in Jonestown, we've got to get over there. We've got to move fast, we've got to move swiftly, we've got to pool our resources together."

"I mean, he sold us a bill of goods," she added.

"You got to remember, this all started back in the '60s and '70s. Our society was in turmoil. There was constant aggression going on. You had riots going on," said former Peoples Temple member Thom Bogue. "And then you have Jim Jones saying, 'Do I have the place for you. For us.'"

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It's interesting how he started out. He had a lot of respect and clout and then it just went south into the bizarre. I still don't understand how people followed him in droves.


What's weird there's a People's Temple here and I've been wondering if it has any relation.

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onlyforaminute said:

It's interesting how he started out. He had a lot of respect and clout and then it just went south into the bizarre. I still don't understand how people followed him in droves.


What's weird there's a People's Temple here and I've been wondering if it has any relation.

I didn't realize the amount of drugs that he actually used that made it go crazy so quickly.

I saw a quick video clip of what looked like a strip tease happening in the church

He was cursing and openly talking about sex, sex with men and women, way before they left the states

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onlyforaminute said:


It's interesting how he started out. He had a lot of respect and clout and then it just went south into the bizarre. I still don't understand how people followed him in droves.


What's weird there's a People's Temple here and I've been wondering if it has any relation.





I didn't realize the amount of drugs that he actually used that made it go crazy so quickly.



I saw a quick video clip of what looked like a strip tease happening in the church


He was cursing and openly talking about sex, sex with men and women, way before they left the states





It went into some very strange directions long before they moved to the jungle yet people stayed with it. Really bizarre. There was another program some years ago that told way more of what was going on and yeah people left in droves but so many stayed.
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I'm old enough to remember when this was all going down, the news cycles back then, we weren't inundated with the news, but I believe they did break into programming that day for a special news bulletin. And I listened to the news, horrified. I was 13 years old, and the story terrified me for some reason. I don't know if I could watch a documentary about it.

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It really isn't that hard 2 brainwash people when religion is involved.

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If you don't educate yourself properly, you might just end up in a cult. You have been warned.

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Reply #8 posted 09/29/18 3:03pm

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It really isn't that hard 2 brainwash people when religion is involved.




The religious aspects fell away within this group long long before they made that jungle trek. The paranoia of the government got them to isolate themselves as they did.
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I've mentioned this before, but my family lived about 3 blocks from the peoples temple(while everything was going on). I have a memory of attending a service there(only once), but years later when i asked my mother about it, she said we never did. IDK, but i do have a vague memory of being inside that church. About how it looked on the inside. It was big, with a big open space....Maybe i walked by there once and got a glimpse of the inside, and that's the memory i have.

Anyway, Jim Jones was one of the worst human beings who ever lived. And as Oldfriends said, dude was as sociopath from the beginning. Also he preyed on some of the most vulnerable people out there. He preyed on the poor, the elderly, single women with kids, minorities, etc. Then by him mixing religion with social issues such as racism, poverty, neighborhood displacement(in the Fillmore/Western Addition, where the church was located) etc, that appealed to a lot of people. Plus with 1970's San Francisco being a open minded city that attracted all kinds of(don't want to say oddball)...open minded thinkers. Well i can see why some people initially fell for his bullshit.

So, my take on what really set Jim Jones off was his drug taking. Dude started shooting speed, and that totally messed up his mind.

And about the Jonestown deaths? It was one of the most tragic things that has ever happened. Just think about the numbers. Nine hundred plus people died and over 240 of them were children. Also, for the longest time i went by the narrative that Jonestown was a "mass suicide", but i don't think that's the way it should be described. The children at Jonestown didn't commit suicide. They were murdered. And by listening to those Jonestown tapes, is pretty obvious that some people were not cool with killing themselves. I personally think that quite a few of them were forced(at gunpoint) to drink cyanide. Or were given it intravenously.

Regardless, the whole thing is sad beyond words.

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Listening to the tapes is horrific especially the lady that please with Jones. I was at an amusement park as a teen and was into the band Jesus Jones. Someone who's family died at Jonestown noticed the shirt and freaked out. They asked me some things. After that I really questioned if they should have used that name for the band.
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Listening to the tapes is horrific especially the lady that please with Jones. I was at an amusement park as a teen and was into the band Jesus Jones. Someone who's family died at Jonestown noticed the shirt and freaked out. They asked me some things. After that I really questioned if they should have used that name for the band.

Its like a trump rally.

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Graycap23 said:

It really isn't that hard 2 brainwash people when religion is involved.

But that is the thing, it was not really religion, it was what we experience today as in Social Politics, add the diverse atmospher of the 60 and 70s, I thought it was religion for a long time too until I really looked into what he was doing, and it was so not, he just sprinkled it with religious ideaology

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onlyforaminute said:

Graycap23 said:

It really isn't that hard 2 brainwash people when religion is involved.

The religious aspects fell away within this group long long before they made that jungle trek. The paranoia of the government got them to isolate themselves as they did.

Right, governmental paranoia was HUGE in that group... and this is something that all political sides deal with. So when people try pointing the finger at certain groups or thinking they could never fall for something like this, even in a small way, they are tricking themselves.

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Graycap23 said:

It really isn't that hard 2 brainwash people when religion is involved.

But that is the thing, it was not really religion, it was what we experience today as in Social Politics, add the diverse atmospher of the 60 and 70s, I thought it was religion for a long time too until I really looked into what he was doing, and it was so not, he just sprinkled it with religious ideaology

The 1st step.......was religion.

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Graycap23 said:



OldFriends4Sale said:




Graycap23 said:


It really isn't that hard 2 brainwash people when religion is involved.




But that is the thing, it was not really religion, it was what we experience today as in Social Politics, add the diverse atmospher of the 60 and 70s, I thought it was religion for a long time too until I really looked into what he was doing, and it was so not, he just sprinkled it with religious ideaology






The 1st step.....was religion.



Jonestown was more a left wing, 60-70s hipster, communist, "progressive" Utopia than a religious thing. I think though it is likely 90% of the people had a gun to the head drink the Koolaid of get shot and it was more of a mass murder than suicide.
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Graycap23 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But that is the thing, it was not really religion, it was what we experience today as in Social Politics, add the diverse atmospher of the 60 and 70s, I thought it was religion for a long time too until I really looked into what he was doing, and it was so not, he just sprinkled it with religious ideaology

The 1st step.......was religion.

you are looking at it from a arial view

are you into conspiracy theories?

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OldFriends4Sale said:



onlyforaminute said:


Graycap23 said:

It really isn't that hard 2 brainwash people when religion is involved.



The religious aspects fell away within this group long long before they made that jungle trek. The paranoia of the government got them to isolate themselves as they did.



Right, governmental paranoia was HUGE in that group... and this is something that all political sides deal with. So when people try pointing the finger at certain groups or thinking they could never fall for something like this, even in a small way, they are tricking themselves.



As terrible as USA government is at times, most citizens are ready to fight and die for the country. I may disagree with the Presidents but have been programmed to serve and protect them and the USA. Maybe it is even cult like at times, the programming that goes on but it is what it is. It is ok though to criticize the government? And government officials still? In America? Or are they so paranoid they are coming for conspiracy theorists?
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Graycap23 said:



OldFriends4Sale said:




Graycap23 said:


It really isn't that hard 2 brainwash people when religion is involved.




But that is the thing, it was not really religion, it was what we experience today as in Social Politics, add the diverse atmospher of the 60 and 70s, I thought it was religion for a long time too until I really looked into what he was doing, and it was so not, he just sprinkled it with religious ideaology






The 1st step.....was religion.




Obviously you haven't watched any of the documentaries on this, religion played a secondary role in what brought these people together. Social justice was the primary draw.
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onlyforaminute said:

Graycap23 said:



OldFriends4Sale said:




Graycap23 said:


It really isn't that hard 2 brainwash people when religion is involved.




But that is the thing, it was not really religion, it was what we experience today as in Social Politics, add the diverse atmospher of the 60 and 70s, I thought it was religion for a long time too until I really looked into what he was doing, and it was so not, he just sprinkled it with religious ideaology






The 1st step.....was religion.




Obviously you haven't watched any of the documentaries on this, religion played a secondary role in what brought these people together. Social justice was the primary draw.


True also it was mass murder. In particular, if parents feed children and babies cyanide that is murder. If people were held at gunpoint to take cyanide that is murder.
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onlyforaminute said:




Obviously you haven't watched any of the documentaries on this, religion played a secondary role in what brought these people together. Social justice was the primary draw.


True also it was mass murder. In particular, if parents feed children and babies cyanide that is murder. If people were held at gunpoint to take cyanide that is murder.



I'm just talking what its platform was long before the jungle mess. It was known even back then they found people had been injected with syringes or just shot in the back while trying to run, obviously people were forced into the final act. Them voluntarily going there in the first place after all the other stuff that was taking place in the group is a whole other thing though and had nothing to do with religion.
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I remember this incident all too well; it seemed this was the biggest story of the year in 1978. Endlessly discussed in school... I even met some people who lost family members at Jonestown in the 80s. There's no words to express the horror and loss of this tragedy. PBS did a chilling documentary on it in 2006:

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When I clicked on the this thread, and saw his pictures quickly, I thought Wallace D. Fard

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purplethunder3121 said:

I remember this incident all too well; it seemed this was the biggest story of the year in 1978. Endlessly discussed in school... I even met some people who lost family members at Jonestown in the 80s. There's no words to express the horror and loss of this tragedy. PBS did a chilling documentary on it in 2006:

Thanks for posting this...

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The point where he throws the bible... there is no heaven up there, you have to find it down here, if you see me as your saviour/God, I'll be your god

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Tim, 'he reach up and patted the back of my neck and said "I'll fuck you in the ass if you want" WoW

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Jim was the only heterosexual on the planet, we were all homosexual

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The "joke" about taking poison with the kool aide

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the people(women) have a woman strip totally naked in the building in front of Jim

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Not a conspiracy theory



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Although many others lost their lives on November 18, 1978, according to Dr. C. Leslie Mootoo, then chief medical examiner of Guyana, the overwhelming majority of the deaths at Jonestown were murders, not suicides.

Dr. Mootoo, the government’s top pathologist and the first physician on the scene, told Freedom that many had died from injections of cyanide. After 32 hours of nonstop work in stifling heat, amid decaying flesh, in Mootoo’s words, “We gave up.” By that time, 187 bodies killed by injections had been examined by Mootoo and his team. Victims had been injected in portions of their bodies they could not have reached themselves, such as between the shoulder blades or in the back of an upper arm. “Those who were injecting them knew what they were doing,” Mootoo said.

Many others had been shot. Charles Huff, a former member of the U.S. Army Special Forces in Panama, was one of the seven Green Berets who were the first American troops on the scene following the massacre. He told Freedom, “We saw many bullet wounds as well as wounds from crossbow bolts.”

Huff noted that those with fatal bullet or bolt wounds appeared to have been running toward the jungle that surrounded Jonestown. Corroborating the information from Dr. Mootoo, Huff said that the adults who had not been shot had been killed by injections between the shoulder blades. The killers escaped before the arrival of Huff and his team.
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most of the publicized coverage of the Jonestown massacre is fictitious in content.
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The Black Hole of Guyana:
The Untold Story of the Jonestown Massacre

: https://jonestown.sdsu.ed...e_id=78282

Dr. Mootoo, the top Guyanese pathologist, was at Jonestown within hours after the massacre. Refusing the assistance of U.S. pathologists, he accompanied the teams that counted the dead, examined the bodies, and worked to identify the deceased. While the American press screamed about the “Kool-Aid Suicides,” Dr. Mootoo was reaching a much different opinion.[29]

There are certain signs that show the types of poisons that lead to the end of life. Cyanide blocks the messages from the brain to the muscles by changing body chemistry in the central nervous system. Even the “involuntary” functions like breathing and heartbeat get mixed neural signals. It is a painful death, breath coming in spurts. The other muscles spasm, limbs twist and contort. The facial muscles draw back into a deadly grin, called “cyanide rictus.”[30] All these telling signs were absent in the Jonestown dead. Limbs were limp and relaxed, and the few visible faces showed no sign of distortion.[31]

Instead, Dr. Mootoo found fresh needle marks at the back of the left shoulder blades of 80-90% of the victims.[32] Others had been shot or strangled. One survivor reported that those who resisted were forced by armed guards.[33] The gun that reportedly shot Jim Jones was lying nearly 200 feet from his body, not a likely suicide weapon.[34] As Chief Medical Examiner, Mootoo’s testimony to the Guyanese grand jury investigating Jonestown led to their conclusion that all but three of the people were murdered by “persons unknown.” Only two had committed suicide they said. Several pictures show the gun-shot wounds on the bodies as well. The U.S. Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Schuler, said, “No autopsies are needed. The cause of death is not an issue here.” The forensic doctors who later did autopsies at Dover, Delaware, were never made aware of Dr. Mootoo’s findings.
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I think the tragety of it is still so grand that details mean little to the amount of life loss. No matter how it happened, they are dead.

You can hear in the audio clips when it started happening the people crying and him trying to soothe them. Survivors talked about what they saw, seeing people running and being shot or grabbed and/or kneedles stabbed in them. One guy talked about a boy staggering into the space he was in and foaming at the mouth before he dropped and died.

I think the 'drink the cool aide' is the biggest thing in peoples minds, because that is what he would test members on, way before this event. So people who left prior to this and knew about it most likely reiterated the cool aid senario.

One survivor also mentioned seeing large amounts of guns that they never saw before.

And of course those that tried to leave with the senator who was also murdered.

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I think the tragety of it is still so grand that details mean little to the amount of life loss. No matter how it happened, they are dead.

You can hear in the audio clips when it started happening the people crying and him trying to soothe them. Survivors talked about what they saw, seeing people running and being shot or grabbed and/or needle stabbed in them. One guy talked about a boy staggering into the space he was in and foaming at the mouth before he dropped and died.

I think the 'drink the cool aide' is the biggest thing in peoples minds, because that is what he would test members on, way before this event. So people who left prior to this and knew about it most likely reiterated the cool aid senario.



One survivor also mentioned seeing large amounts of guns that they never saw before.



And of course those that tried to leave with the senator who was also murdered.


I totally agree with you. perhaps for me it's the finding that over 70% of the victims were african americans.
despite the fact that nearly fifty percent of those who died were African American women.
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Reply #28 posted 10/16/18 12:20pm

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I can say from previous docus I never got how much they were struggling just to survive after they made that move. Its so sad.

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I think the tragety of it is still so grand that details mean little to the amount of life loss. No matter how it happened, they are dead.

You can hear in the audio clips when it started happening the people crying and him trying to soothe them. Survivors talked about what they saw, seeing people running and being shot or grabbed and and kneedle stabbed in them. One guy talked about a boy staggering into the space he was in and foaming at the mouth before he dropped and died.

I think the 'drink the cool aide' is the biggest thing in peoples minds, because that is what he would test members one, way before this event. So people who left prior to this and knew about it most likely reiterated the cool aid senario.

One survivor also mentioned seeing large amounts of guns that they never saw before.

And of course those that tried to leave with the senator who was also murdered.

I totally agree with you. perhaps for me it's the finding that over 70% of the victims were african americans. despite the fact that nearly fifty percent of those who died were African American women.

yeah his social political ideals would appeal to many AA's. I believer there were way more 'white' folk prior to that, but many left. JJ also adobt kids from many ethnic groups, I think he has 2 black sons, and Asian, Native American etc

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