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Reply #30 posted 07/10/18 1:14pm

bobzilla77

It's hard to follow this from the US because I can't seem to get a grasp on how people feel about the underlying issues, just about the people representing those different points of view. This one is a cunt, that one is an even worse cunt, but oh, the other one is the biggest cunt anyone's ever seen. All this arguing over cunt size has left me wondering after reading what feels like a lot about it: what are you hoping to achieve?

We are sufferring from the same problem in the States.

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Reply #31 posted 07/10/18 1:23pm

Silvertongue7

bobzilla77 said:

It's hard to follow this from the US because I can't seem to get a grasp on how people feel about the underlying issues, just about the people representing those different points of view. This one is a cunt, that one is an even worse cunt, but oh, the other one is the biggest cunt anyone's ever seen. All this arguing over cunt size has left me wondering after reading what feels like a lot about it: what are you hoping to achieve?



We are sufferring from the same problem in the States.


I think you get it much better than you think.
Nobody knows what they want from Brexit because no one thought it was going to happen so there was never a plan for it. So we have a government trying to negotiate something they don’t know what it is, completely incapable to present a united front because they’re completely fractured and crying like babies because the other 27 countries won’t let them have it their way (despite the fact that, as I’ve mentioned, they don’t know what they want!).
But the good news is that the opposition don’t know what they want either, so we’re fucked in every sense.
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Reply #32 posted 07/10/18 1:46pm

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Silvertongue7 said:

bobzilla77 said:

It's hard to follow this from the US because I can't seem to get a grasp on how people feel about the underlying issues, just about the people representing those different points of view. This one is a cunt, that one is an even worse cunt, but oh, the other one is the biggest cunt anyone's ever seen. All this arguing over cunt size has left me wondering after reading what feels like a lot about it: what are you hoping to achieve?

We are sufferring from the same problem in the States.

I think you get it much better than you think. Nobody knows what they want from Brexit because no one thought it was going to happen so there was never a plan for it. So we have a government trying to negotiate something they don’t know what it is, completely incapable to present a united front because they’re completely fractured and crying like babies because the other 27 countries won’t let them have it their way (despite the fact that, as I’ve mentioned, they don’t know what they want!). But the good news is that the opposition don’t know what they want either, so we’re fucked in every sense.

Yeah and the people in charge are all running for the exits now that they got what they said they wanted.

Well I hope it works out and you all get what you want once you figure that out.

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Reply #33 posted 07/10/18 1:50pm

Silvertongue7

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Well I hope it works out and you all get what you want once you figure that out.


Well, I didn’t want Brexit and they didn’t allow me to vote so f*ck the lot of them...
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Reply #34 posted 07/10/18 2:51pm

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bobzilla77 said:

It's hard to follow this from the US because I can't seem to get a grasp on how people feel about the underlying issues, just about the people representing those different points of view. This one is a cunt, that one is an even worse cunt, but oh, the other one is the biggest cunt anyone's ever seen. All this arguing over cunt size has left me wondering after reading what feels like a lot about it: what are you hoping to achieve?

We are sufferring from the same problem in the States.


I think you get it much better than you think. Nobody knows what they want from Brexit because no one thought it was going to happen so there was never a plan for it. So we have a government trying to negotiate something they don’t know what it is, completely incapable to present a united front because they’re completely fractured and crying like babies because the other 27 countries won’t let them have it their way (despite the fact that, as I’ve mentioned, they don’t know what they want!). But the good news is that the opposition don’t know what they want either, so we’re fucked in every sense.

lol

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Reply #35 posted 07/10/18 3:08pm

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Silvertongue7 said:

bobzilla77 said:


Well I hope it works out and you all get what you want once you figure that out.


Well, I didn’t want Brexit and they didn’t allow me to vote so f*ck the lot of them...


That was an outrage against democracy, and obviously only done as it was thought EU citizens would be more likely to vote to remain in the EU. Everybody living in the UK should have been allowed to vote. In our independence referendum, everybody was allowed to vote, not just Scots. It cost yes the win, as breakdown of the result from polling shows that the English no vote was large enough to sway it, was but it’s the only way to operate a democracy.
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Reply #36 posted 07/10/18 4:25pm

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Lianachan said:

Silvertongue7 said:
Well, I didn’t want Brexit and they didn’t allow me to vote so f*ck the lot of them...
That was an outrage against democracy, and obviously only done as it was thought EU citizens would be more likely to vote to remain in the EU. Everybody living in the UK should have been allowed to vote. In our independence referendum, everybody was allowed to vote, not just Scots. It cost yes the win, as breakdown of the result from polling shows that the English no vote was large enough to sway it, was but it’s the only way to operate a democracy.

I wasn't allowed to vote either neutral

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Reply #37 posted 07/10/18 7:13pm

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maplenpg said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Interesting times.

May is dead woman walking, but no one wants to take over just yet.

Davis stepped down because his job has essentially been undermined. I get than. But Boris has stepped down purely for leadership/political reasons. If he hadn't, after DD had, it would look like he actively supported May, when in reality, he's a stalking horse.

Is it looking like the Brexit you expected/hoped for Squirrel?


I can't remember where we all got to on our conversations a couple of years ago (drowned out by the U.S. threads lol), but my view (as a leave voter) has always been that we never actually be allowed to leave; either by the EU or the corporates (essentially the same thing).

All I see playing out now is the inevitable. Just as all the other 'no' votes that happened in the EU over the last 15 years. It can't be accepted.

The resistance to Brexit has actually caused more damage than the idea of Brexit itself. It's certainly not what I hoped for, but very much what I expected.

It's really interesting to see it play out, but it's clear there is no point voting. It's pseudo democracy.

What has suprised me over the last couple of year is it sheer level of vitriol and bigotry spewing from some self proclaimed liberals; simply because they didn't get their way.

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Reply #38 posted 07/12/18 8:09am

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SquirrelMeat said:

maplenpg said:

SquirrelMeat said: Is it looking like the Brexit you expected/hoped for Squirrel?


I can't remember where we all got to on our conversations a couple of years ago (drowned out by the U.S. threads lol), but my view (as a leave voter) has always been that we never actually be allowed to leave; either by the EU or the corporates (essentially the same thing).

All I see playing out now is the inevitable. Just as all the other 'no' votes that happened in the EU over the last 15 years. It can't be accepted.

The resistance to Brexit has actually caused more damage than the idea of Brexit itself. It's certainly not what I hoped for, but very much what I expected.

It's really interesting to see it play out, but it's clear there is no point voting. It's pseudo democracy.

What has suprised me over the last couple of year is it sheer level of vitriol and bigotry spewing from some self proclaimed liberals; simply because they didn't get their way.

Thanks Squirrel. I completely agree with the bold.


I disagree that there is/was no point voting though. If nothing else, the word austerity seems to have been dropped from the Tory vocabulary. No way they can keep up with that rhetoric whilst finding billions for Brexit from the magic money tree.



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Reply #39 posted 07/12/18 8:27am

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The UK gov predict that Brexit will be so disasterous that they are actually making plans to stockpile food and medicines (!), and yet they insist on carrying on with it. Imagine any government actually planning to do these things because they know their own policy is catastrophic. It's beyond ridiculous. Two years after the vote, and they've finally announced what they're going to ask for - and they and everybody else knows that it's already something that the EU have said is impossible. Fucking idiots.

Still, blue passports, Agincourt and all that.

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Reply #40 posted 07/18/18 5:56pm

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Lianachan said:

The UK gov predict that Brexit will be so disasterous that they are actually making plans to stockpile food and medicines (!), and yet they insist on carrying on with it. Imagine any government actually planning to do these things because they know their own policy is catastrophic. It's beyond ridiculous. Two years after the vote, and they've finally announced what they're going to ask for - and they and everybody else knows that it's already something that the EU have said is impossible. Fucking idiots.

Still, blue passports, Agincourt and all that.

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Whether we are leavers or remainers, I think we all agree that the Government (and the whole of Parliament) couldn't have fucked it up anymore if they tried.

If it wasn't so serious, you'd have laughed if someone told you in 2016 that 2 years later the Government would be still arguing their opening position.

The Tories are tearing themselves apart, and Labour will be next if it falls to them.

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Reply #41 posted 07/19/18 1:31am

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SquirrelMeat said:

Lianachan said:

The UK gov predict that Brexit will be so disasterous that they are actually making plans to stockpile food and medicines (!), and yet they insist on carrying on with it. Imagine any government actually planning to do these things because they know their own policy is catastrophic. It's beyond ridiculous. Two years after the vote, and they've finally announced what they're going to ask for - and they and everybody else knows that it's already something that the EU have said is impossible. Fucking idiots.

Still, blue passports, Agincourt and all that.

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Whether we are leavers or remainers, I think we all agree that the Government (and the whole of Parliament) couldn't have fucked it up anymore if they tried.

If it wasn't so serious, you'd have laughed if someone told you in 2016 that 2 years later the Government would be still arguing their opening position.

The Tories are tearing themselves apart, and Labour will be next if it falls to them.



Yup, agree with all of that!

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Reply #42 posted 07/24/18 5:46am

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Just one of a handy series of books for UK folks.


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Reply #43 posted 07/24/18 6:06am

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Reply #44 posted 07/24/18 8:57am

maplenpg

lol lol lol lol (at above)

Though now May is in charge of negotiations, I fully expect Brexit to be nothing more than a very expensive label. Seems the magic money tree does exist after all with the gargantuan cost of it all - and they're also giving teacher's (and other public services) a long-overdue, and much deserved pay rise that the country couldn't afford pre-brexit too, pity so many of them (including me) jumped ship in the interim.

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Reply #45 posted 07/24/18 10:08am

Silvertongue7

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Jacob and Annunziata Rees-Mogg in the picture...
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Reply #46 posted 07/24/18 4:40pm

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maplenpg said:

lol lol lol lol (at above)

Though now May is in charge of negotiations, I fully expect Brexit to be nothing more than a very expensive label. Seems the magic money tree does exist after all with the gargantuan cost of it all - and they're also giving teacher's (and other public services) a long-overdue, and much deserved pay rise that the country couldn't afford pre-brexit too, pity so many of them (including me) jumped ship in the interim.

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Public sector pay rises

£20bn for the NHS

Tories blaming the EU for all the brexit delay.

I smell preperation for a General Election.

Tory central office probably weighed up the risks, and by pointing issues at the EU, they will see how the October Brexit votes go in the commons. If they are in a weak position, they'll want an election before Corbyn is replaced and Farage relaunches UKIP.

The irony is, Corbyn is more likely to deliver Brexit than May.

Serious stuff. So serious, all the politicians are going to take 10 weeks off over the summer and conference season to think about it. lol

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Reply #47 posted 07/25/18 1:14am

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I wonder how the voting would have been if some of the more recent statements were written on a bus, instead of lies about the NHS.


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Sadly, it's probably another lie that's on that bus.


Thank god Scotland voted ‘No’ in 2014 so we can look forward to having “adequate food” once we get dragged out of the EU against our will.

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Reply #48 posted 07/25/18 11:03am

maplenpg

SquirrelMeat said:

maplenpg said:

lol lol lol lol (at above)

Though now May is in charge of negotiations, I fully expect Brexit to be nothing more than a very expensive label. Seems the magic money tree does exist after all with the gargantuan cost of it all - and they're also giving teacher's (and other public services) a long-overdue, and much deserved pay rise that the country couldn't afford pre-brexit too, pity so many of them (including me) jumped ship in the interim.

[Edited 7/24/18 9:06am]


Public sector pay rises

£20bn for the NHS

Tories blaming the EU for all the brexit delay.

I smell preperation for a General Election.

Tory central office probably weighed up the risks, and by pointing issues at the EU, they will see how the October Brexit votes go in the commons. If they are in a weak position, they'll want an election before Corbyn is replaced and Farage relaunches UKIP.

The irony is, Corbyn is more likely to deliver Brexit than May.

Serious stuff. So serious, all the politicians are going to take 10 weeks off over the summer and conference season to think about it. lol

I agree. It'd make sense to have an election before the March deadline. Would give the Tories much more chance of winning (even if I do hate to say it), probably be able to shake off the DUP too.

TBH, I don't think the pay increase will encourage the people who work in the public sector to vote Tory. I've never met a Tory-supporting teacher and I now work in another sector that got a pay rise and the Tories are just as hated there. More of a token gesture for the onlookers.

With regard the NHS money, it seems to be being said that NI contributions may be raised in the Autumn budget from what I understand (I have no hard facts on this - just what people have said). Not sure how that will go down if it turns out to be true, especially when so much money has been found to fund Brexit.

Corbyn could do many, many things better than May. I'd love him to lead. I just don't think that, if she calls the election before March, that people will vote for change. I would love to be wrong.

And don't get me started on the summer break...Grrrr.



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Reply #49 posted 07/26/18 6:22am

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Good ol' Frankie Boyle:



Boring to moan about the downside of Brexit, let’s focus on the exciting possibilities: living in an abandoned motorway services; coming up with a tasty recipe for fox; marrying a 3D-printed rifle; trading sexual favours for insulin, and vice versa - none of it will be dull.

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Reply #50 posted 08/05/18 6:23pm

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Lianachan said:



The sterotype memes are the best!

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Reply #51 posted 08/12/18 12:19pm

poppys

What sez our UK desk about this?

Brussels 'prepares a Brexit climbdown and is set to agree the UK can stay in the EU single market for goods without having to accept free movement'

  • Theresa May has been holding talks with EU leaders to get support for Chequers
  • EU is said to be considering the move - but will demand its own concessions
  • Wants the UK to to stick to environmental and social rules even after Brexit
  • This would undermine the UK's ability to strike free trade deals around the world

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Reply #52 posted 08/12/18 11:40pm

maplenpg

poppys said:

What sez our UK desk about this?

Brussels 'prepares a Brexit climbdown and is set to agree the UK can stay in the EU single market for goods without having to accept free movement'

  • Theresa May has been holding talks with EU leaders to get support for Chequers
  • EU is said to be considering the move - but will demand its own concessions
  • Wants the UK to to stick to environmental and social rules even after Brexit
  • This would undermine the UK's ability to strike free trade deals around the world

From my POV there has been so much speculation about what MIGHT happen, that until something does happen I'll not take much notice.

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Reply #53 posted 08/15/18 6:54am

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maplenpg said:

poppys said:

What sez our UK desk about this?

Brussels 'prepares a Brexit climbdown and is set to agree the UK can stay in the EU single market for goods without having to accept free movement'

  • Theresa May has been holding talks with EU leaders to get support for Chequers
  • EU is said to be considering the move - but will demand its own concessions
  • Wants the UK to to stick to environmental and social rules even after Brexit
  • This would undermine the UK's ability to strike free trade deals around the world

From my POV there has been so much speculation about what MIGHT happen, that until something does happen I'll not take much notice.


Plus, that's the Daily Mail.... So.... You know.

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