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deebee

Almost 2000 children separated from families at US border following Trump administration 'zero tolerance' policy

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Nearly 2,000 children have been separated from their families at the US border since the start of the Trump administration's new “zero tolerance” policy on illegal immigration, according to new figures from the Department of Homeland Security.


Source: https://www.independent.c...01526.html

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Certainly, the cruelties of immigration control are nothing new, and nor are they exclusive to Republican Presidents. The inhumanity of this latest drive still deserves condemnation, nonetheless, especially given the chilling 'God on our side' defence offered by Sessions and Huckabee Sanders. What a scary bunch of bastards.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #1 posted 06/16/18 4:45am

poppys


That's odd. The other day there were 10,000+. Is this Trump math?

They want to put up tent cities in old military bases for up to 5000 more. They showed some of them being held at an old Wal-Mart. They only let media photograph their legs.


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391923-trump-administration-considering-using-tent-cities-to-house

The number of migrant children without their parents being held by the federal government has grown by more than 20 percent since the administration began to strongly enforce a policy that separates migrant parents and children who are apprehended by authorities, McClatchy reported.

According to the report, more than 10,000 migrant children are currently being held in HHS shelters, putting the shelters at 95 percent capacity.


Reply #2 posted 06/16/18 6:20am

deebee

poppys said:


That's odd. The other day there were 10,000+. Is this Trump math?

They want to put up tent cities in old military bases for up to 5000 more. They showed some of them being held at an old Wal-Mart. They only let media photograph their legs.


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391923-trump-administration-considering-using-tent-cities-to-house

The number of migrant children without their parents being held by the federal government has grown by more than 20 percent since the administration began to strongly enforce a policy that separates migrant parents and children who are apprehended by authorities, McClatchy reported.

According to the report, more than 10,000 migrant children are currently being held in HHS shelters, putting the shelters at 95 percent capacity.


Good point. Just been looking and I think the 10,000+ figure is the total number of unaccompanied children being held in immigration detention, and the 1,995 figure represents those added between 19th April and 31st May, owing to the introduction of the Trump administration's 'zero tolerance' policy. It shows that the policy has led to an increase in the rate of detention of unaccompanied children.

Apparently, the total number is in excess of 11,200 children - which is mind-boggling!

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #3 posted 06/16/18 6:25am

sovembol

So disheartening.
Reply #4 posted 06/16/18 6:37am

13cjk13

Since that piece of shit Jeff Sessions likes to quote the bible.....

Leviticus 19:33-34 “When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.”

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #5 posted 06/16/18 9:56am

poppys

deebee said:

poppys said:


That's odd. The other day there were 10,000+. Is this Trump math?

They want to put up tent cities in old military bases for up to 5000 more. They showed some of them being held at an old Wal-Mart. They only let media photograph their legs.


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391923-trump-administration-considering-using-tent-cities-to-house

The number of migrant children without their parents being held by the federal government has grown by more than 20 percent since the administration began to strongly enforce a policy that separates migrant parents and children who are apprehended by authorities, McClatchy reported.

According to the report, more than 10,000 migrant children are currently being held in HHS shelters, putting the shelters at 95 percent capacity.


Good point. Just been looking and I think the 10,000+ figure is the total number of unaccompanied children being held in immigration detention, and the 1,995 figure represents those added between 19th April and 31st May, owing to the introduction of the Trump administration's 'zero tolerance' policy. It shows that the policy has led to an increase in the rate of detention of unaccompanied children.

Apparently, the total number is in excess of 11,200 children - which is mind-boggling!


Disgusting isn't it? My guess is that they thought the huge number would make people accept the tent cities more. It costs extra to house those poor children separately and the little ones need caregivers - or do they keep them locked up too? They are allowed out of their "rooms" at the Walmart facility for 2 hours a day. The video showed them marching single file through a labyrinth of temporary hallways for excercise. disbelief

People freaked out so now they are playing with the numbers and have buried the 11,000 as much as possible. It was stated verbally on the news too - that's what made me look it up. I posted that link on the Sam Bee thread the other day so I snagged it from there this morning. I was unable to find it with just a keyword search today. This really is getting into Third Reich territory imo.

Reply #6 posted 06/16/18 9:56am

2freaky4church1

Concentration camps in America. These are the FEMA camps Alex Jones worried about. He is mute

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #7 posted 06/16/18 12:54pm

maplenpg

It is brutal, and how anyone can seek to justify over 11,000 detainees is mind-blowing. I was reminded of a talk given at a geography conference I attended a few years ago regarding migrant children/families in British detention centres. The talk was particularly damning of the charity Barnardo's, who I have never supported since. What was most striking was the 'business' side of detention centres. To quote from the speaker's paper:

Detention is a business, and the profits to be made are key determinants of both

state-level policy formation and everyday detention practices. As Webber notes,

‘Immigration detention, for asylum seekers and others, has become a growth industry,

with the convergence of interests between politicians seeking policies of containment,

electoral imperatives and private companies seeking profits’.15 Indeed,

immigration detention is more attractive than prison from the perspective of investors,

since, ‘[u]nlike prison contracts, immigrant detention contracts only require

housing, food and medical services, not rehabilitation … services’.16 Unlike migrant detention systems in some other European countries (such as Sweden), immigration detention in Britain means being housed in secure prisonlike facilities with intensive internal surveillance, networks of corridors and locked rooms, razor-wired security fences and radically curtailed freedoms of communication

with the outside world. Furthermore, Britain has no legal limit on the administrative

detention of non-citizens.


It does make me question what is at the heart of detaining migrants, indeed separating them from their families. Time and time again we see that detaining, even deporting people, especially children, does little to reduce migrant numbers. And people are getting very rich over the morally questionable incarceration of children. I agree with this quote, taken from the same paper:



for many other activists the imprisonment of children without trial and for reasons

of citizenship status is fundamentally wrong. The case of child detention is

particularly pointed in this regard, as children clearly have limited agency as

regards migration choices.




[Edited 6/16/18 12:57pm]

It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
Reply #8 posted 06/16/18 1:06pm

jjhunsecker

2freaky4church1 said:

  Concentration camps in America.  These are the FEMA camps Alex Jones worried about.  He is mute 



He's mute because these are [Racial slur no no no! snip - luv4u] and he doesn't give a fuck about them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetback_(slur)
Reply #9 posted 06/16/18 8:03pm

free2bFreeda2


June 2018

the separation of children from their parents is a part of the u s fabric.
one can say the separating families is a weapon to demoralize both adults and children.
starting with:

The history of separating slave and Indian children from their parents ...
Washington Post › 2018/05/31
: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/retropolis/wp/2018/05/31/barbaric-americas-cruel-history-of-separating-children-from-their-parents/
and:
May 31, 2018 · 'Barbaric': America's cruel history of separating children from their ... of American Indian children were sent to government-run or ...
American Indian boarding schools - ...
Wikipedia › wiki › American_Indian_bo...
The government paid religious orders to provide basic education to Native American children on reservations.
: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schools


many are aware
one of the first things the nazi camp directive instructions was to separate children from parents and guardians as soon as the transport trains arrived at the various concentration camp locations.
thus anxiety fear, inner turmoil and hopelessness set upon the jewish transpotees.
one can only imagine the psycho-horror put upon these children as they were torn away from their families and loved ones.
is
this current suffering put upon these subject related children imo a cruel tactic.
federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #10 posted 06/16/18 8:17pm

IanRG

free2bFreeda2 said:

June 2018 》 the separation of children from their parents is a part of the u s fabric. one can say the separating families is a weapon to demoralize both adults and children. starting with: The history of separating slave and Indian children from their parents ... Washington Post › 2018/05/31 : https://www.google.com/am...r-parents/ and: May 31, 2018 · 'Barbaric': America's cruel history of separating children from their ... of American Indian children were sent to government-run or ... American Indian boarding schools - ... Wikipedia › wiki › American_Indian_bo... The government paid religious orders to provide basic education to Native American children on reservations. : https://en.m.wikipedia.or...ng_schools 》 many are aware one of the first things the nazi camp directive instructions was to separate children from parents and guardians as soon as the transport trains arrived at the various concentration camp locations. thus anxiety fear, inner turmoil and hopelessness set upon the jewish transpotees. one can only imagine the psycho-horror put upon these children as they were torn away from their families and loved ones. is this current suffering put upon these subject related children imo a cruel tactic.

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Apparantly, it is a way to make children stronger:

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Look at the mural in a child detention centre!!

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The Stalineque artwork and slogans are fitting.

Reply #11 posted 06/16/18 8:20pm

13cjk13

jjhunsecker said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Concentration camps in America. These are the FEMA camps Alex Jones worried about. He is mute

He's mute because these are [Racial slur no no no! snip - luv4u] and he doesn't give a fuck about them https://en.wikipedia.org/...ack_(slur)

[Bait snip - luv4u]

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #12 posted 06/16/18 9:19pm

free2bFreeda2

IanRG said:

 



free2bFreeda2 said:


June 2018 》 the separation of children from their parents is a part of the fabric

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Apparantly, it is a way to make children stronger:


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Look at the mural in a child detention centre!!


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The Stalineque artwork and slogans are fitting.


so them being visually programmed will make them stronger?
federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #13 posted 06/16/18 10:21pm

IanRG

free2bFreeda2 said:

IanRG said:

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Apparantly, it is a way to make children stronger:

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Look at the mural in a child detention centre!!

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The Stalineque artwork and slogans are fitting.

so them being visually programmed will make them stronger?

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Only in the minds of whoever put this up and allowed it to stay

Reply #14 posted 06/16/18 10:39pm

maplenpg

IanRG said:

 



free2bFreeda2 said:


IanRG said:

 


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Apparantly, it is a way to make children stronger:


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Look at the mural in a child detention centre!!


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The Stalineque artwork and slogans are fitting.



so them being visually programmed will make them stronger?

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Only in the minds of whoever put this up and allowed it to stay


Thank you for posting this. Almost all the worlds dictators have pictures of themselves as a reminder of their power. I think I'm right in saying that every household in North Korea must have a hung picture of Kim, certainly they could be killed for not having one of his father when he ruled. Of all the things Trump has done, for me this is the one that strikes me with the most fear. Sickening.
It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
Reply #15 posted 06/16/18 11:48pm

maplenpg

free2bFreeda2 said:

June 2018 》 the separation of children from their parents is a part of the u s fabric. one can say the separating families is a weapon to demoralize both adults and children. starting with: The history of separating slave and Indian children from their parents ... Washington Post › 2018/05/31 : https://www.google.com/am...r-parents/ and: May 31, 2018 · 'Barbaric': America's cruel history of separating children from their ... of American Indian children were sent to government-run or ... American Indian boarding schools - ... Wikipedia › wiki › American_Indian_bo... The government paid religious orders to provide basic education to Native American children on reservations. : https://en.m.wikipedia.or...ng_schools 》 many are aware one of the first things the nazi camp directive instructions was to separate children from parents and guardians as soon as the transport trains arrived at the various concentration camp locations. thus anxiety fear, inner turmoil and hopelessness set upon the jewish transpotees. one can only imagine the psycho-horror put upon these children as they were torn away from their families and loved ones. is this current suffering put upon these subject related children imo a cruel tactic.

Yup (especially the bolded parts). The problem is that they (the government) start where there is support. For example, they use family prison visits as a tool to motivate prisoners to behave. The prisoner doesn't behave, he has his rights to see his family stripped. Society, on the whole, doesn't have a problem with this saying stuff like 'Well, they should behave then' etc... Same with this, there will be plenty saying 'Well, they should have tried to enter the country illegally' etc...

Using children and families as a means of preventing something just doesn't work. It is very simply much more complicated than it is made to seem. Also, the psychological effect on the children/families is not taken into account, leading to the fear and mistrust that you talk about in your excellent post.

It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
Reply #16 posted 06/17/18 6:47am

poppys

Strength Through Joy

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My Dad used this slogan sarcastically when I was a kid - whenever something awful happened. Happy Father's Day Dad! It's happening again, almost daily abuses of power are a runaway train here in the good ol' USA.

Hitler Youth

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[Edited 6/17/18 7:08am]

Reply #17 posted 06/17/18 7:09am

PennyPurple

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Reply #18 posted 06/17/18 7:24am

poppys


https://www.cnn.com/2018/...index.html


Trump again falsely blames the Democrats for his administration's family separations

"The Democrats forced that law upon our nation," Trump told reporters at the White House. "I hate it. I hate to see separation of parents and children. The Democrats can come to us as they actually are in all fairness, we are talking to them, and they can change the whole border security. We need a wall. We need border security. We've got to get rid of catch and release."

Is this the fault of Democrats, as Trump has continued to claim falsely for weeks?

No. This was a deliberate policy shift by the Trump administration. They have the power to unilaterally reverse it. It's legal, no question, but it's purely the administration's decision.

Bottom line: The Trump administration implemented the current separation policy.
While it's designed, as Attorney General Jeff Sessions describes it, to have a deterrent effect, it's also a negotiating play to try and force Democrats to the table on immigration legislation the President favors.

But Democrats aren't in the room on those legislative efforts and the President just nuked the lone House GOP effort that had a shot at passage. And the Senate wants no part of this.
So its prospects -- and any effort in the near future to prevent families from being separated at the border -- aren't looking good.




CBS news reported that Trump blamed Democrats for the separation SEVEN times yesterday. He could end this with one phone call.

Bannon was on Sunday Morning today. Disgusting, I turned it off. Why do they give him a platform? He looked drunk already and couldn't remember the words ZERO TOLERANCE for a few seconds, then repeated it over & over when he finally did. Along with The Wall, The Wall, The Wall...

[Edited 6/17/18 7:27am]

Reply #19 posted 06/17/18 9:26am

poppys


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/392647-border-patrol-chief-number-of-migrant-parent-child-separations-could

Border Patrol chief: Number of migrant family separations could double

The number of migrant families being separated upon crossing into the U.S. along the Southern border could double, according to a Border Patrol chief for the Rio Grande Valley.

Manuel Padilla Jr., the chief in charge of enforcing the Trump administration's "zero-tolerance" policy along the border's most-traveled segment, told The Washington Post on Saturday that the number will continue to increase as Border Patrol works to ramp up its prosecutions of those who cross into the U.S. illegally.

Reply #20 posted 06/17/18 10:43am

2freaky4church1

OMG that sick bastard.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #21 posted 06/17/18 10:44am

2freaky4church1

SNIP- OF4S

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #22 posted 06/18/18 4:14am

DiminutiveRocker

PennyPurple said:

Image may contain: 2 people, people smiling, text


yeahthat

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #23 posted 06/18/18 4:27am

DiminutiveRocker

deebee said:

poppys said:


That's odd. The other day there were 10,000+. Is this Trump math?

They want to put up tent cities in old military bases for up to 5000 more. They showed some of them being held at an old Wal-Mart. They only let media photograph their legs.


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391923-trump-administration-considering-using-tent-cities-to-house

The number of migrant children without their parents being held by the federal government has grown by more than 20 percent since the administration began to strongly enforce a policy that separates migrant parents and children who are apprehended by authorities, McClatchy reported.

According to the report, more than 10,000 migrant children are currently being held in HHS shelters, putting the shelters at 95 percent capacity.


Good point. Just been looking and I think the 10,000+ figure is the total number of unaccompanied children being held in immigration detention, and the 1,995 figure represents those added between 19th April and 31st May, owing to the introduction of the Trump administration's 'zero tolerance' policy. It shows that the policy has led to an increase in the rate of detention of unaccompanied children.

Apparently, the total number is in excess of 11,200 children - which is mind-boggling!


neutral

Robert DeNiro is spot on.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #24 posted 06/18/18 4:31am

DiminutiveRocker

Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’



On Sunday, a day we as a nation set aside to honor fathers and the bonds of family, I was among the millions of Americans who watched images of children who have been torn from their parents. In the six weeks between April 19 and May 31, the Department of Homeland Security has sent nearly 2,000 children to mass detention centers or foster care. More than 100 of these children are younger than 4 years old. The reason for these separations is a zero-tolerance policy for their parents, who are accused of illegally crossing our borders.

I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart.

Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso. These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/laura-bush-separating-children-from-their-parents-at-the-border-breaks-my-heart/2018/06/17/f2df517a-7287-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.92c8bf55e282



WE HAVE THE SICKEST ADMINISTRATION IN RECENT AMERICAN HISTORY.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #25 posted 06/18/18 6:12am

DiminutiveRocker

*THIS* is the most important story happening right now! Children are being held in cages?


For the love of all that is human WTF is going on?

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #26 posted 06/18/18 6:38am

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

*THIS* is the most important story happening right now! Children are being held in cages?


For the love of all that is human WTF is going on?


Exactly. Instead we waste a week flogging a female comedian trying to point that out - for saying cunt. It's an absolute disgrace with real consequences for these children.

Reply #27 posted 06/18/18 6:47am

jjhunsecker

DiminutiveRocker said:

Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’



On Sunday, a day we as a nation set aside to honor fathers and the bonds of family, I was among the millions of Americans who watched images of children who have been torn from their parents. In the six weeks between April 19 and May 31, the Department of Homeland Security has sent nearly 2,000 children to mass detention centers or foster care. More than 100 of these children are younger than 4 years old. The reason for these separations is a zero-tolerance policy for their parents, who are accused of illegally crossing our borders.

I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart.

Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso. These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/laura-bush-separating-children-from-their-parents-at-the-border-breaks-my-heart/2018/06/17/f2df517a-7287-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.92c8bf55e282



WE HAVE THE SICKEST ADMINISTRATION IN RECENT AMERICAN HISTORY.

But you'll have idiots saying "Thank God Hillary didn't win ...her emails...Benghazi ...Monica..."

Reply #28 posted 06/18/18 7:56am

poppys

"If this isn't the White House policy, please tell the officials who I spoke with in Tornillo today who believe it is. Either own it or change it. Scratch that - just change it," Rep. Joe Kennedy III (D-Mass.) said.

"@secnielsen this isn't true. I just met with officials at Border Patrol Processing Center in McAllen, Texas, who told me 1,147 children have been separated from parents at their facility," Rep. David Cicilline (D-RI) tweeted.

President Trump aimed to deflect criticism on Friday, laying blame on Democrats for the policy.

"The Democrats are forcing the breakup of families at the Border with their horrible and cruel legislative agenda. Any Immigration Bill MUST HAVE full funding for the Wall, end Catch & Release, Visa Lottery and Chain, and go to Merit Based Immigration. Go for it! WIN!" the president tweeted.


The Hill 6/17


Biatch won't even say they are doing it.

Reply #29 posted 06/18/18 8:22am

deebee

It's good that people are going after the administration on this policy and trying to force change. I do, however, feel obliged to note that, like prisons, the aggressive policies of immigration detention and deportation have been very much a bipartisan affair. Trump's cranking the gears up, but previous administrations built the machine. It would have been better if Hillary had won, no doubt, but I'd say that that's because there's more scope to pressure a Democrat President for changes to existing policy in this area; and because, by contrast, there's little such scope with Trump, as his base laps this stuff up. But it does still seem like one of those areas where there's substantial convergence on the reality of the policy, if not the public rhetoric.


Thank Obama for Trump’s Child Detentions, Immigrant Advocates Say

“There’s very little difference between President Trump and President Obama with respect to the jailing of refugee children in deportation internment camps,” said Matt Kolken, a lawyer who also represents children seeking asylum in the U.S. “There’s been a systemic assault on the rights of immigrants by both President Obama and President Trump with respect to them using a detained setting as a way to dissuade people from coming to the United States.” [...]

“Like so much else in immigration, this administration has taken weapons that Obama’s folks loaded and left on the table on the way out and then they picked these weapons up and started firing, and that’s what’s happened here,” Free continued. “The previous administration created and stood up this infrastructure and refused to demand accountability from the people that were responsible for running it, and now you have its predictable consequence in the hands of this administration.”


https://www.thedailybeast...ocates-say

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #30 posted 06/18/18 8:32am

13cjk13

jjhunsecker said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’



On Sunday, a day we as a nation set aside to honor fathers and the bonds of family, I was among the millions of Americans who watched images of children who have been torn from their parents. In the six weeks between April 19 and May 31, the Department of Homeland Security has sent nearly 2,000 children to mass detention centers or foster care. More than 100 of these children are younger than 4 years old. The reason for these separations is a zero-tolerance policy for their parents, who are accused of illegally crossing our borders.

I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart.

Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso. These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/laura-bush-separating-children-from-their-parents-at-the-border-breaks-my-heart/2018/06/17/f2df517a-7287-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.92c8bf55e282



WE HAVE THE SICKEST ADMINISTRATION IN RECENT AMERICAN HISTORY.

But you'll have idiots saying "Thank God Hillary didn't win ...her emails...Benghazi ...Monica..."

You mean "Shillary". lol

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #31 posted 06/18/18 8:53am

poppys

deebee said:

It's good that people are going after the administration on this policy and trying to force change. I do, however, feel obliged to note that, like prisons, the aggressive policies of immigration detention and deportation have been very much a bipartisan affair. Trump's cranking the gears up, but previous administrations built the machine. It would have been better if Hillary had won, no doubt, but I'd say that that's because there's more scope to pressure a Democrat President for changes to existing policy in this area; and because, by contrast, there's little such scope with Trump, as his base laps this stuff up. But it does still seem like one of those areas where there's substantial convergence on the reality of the policy, if not the public rhetoric.


Thank Obama for Trump’s Child Detentions, Immigrant Advocates Say

“There’s very little difference between President Trump and President Obama with respect to the jailing of refugee children in deportation internment camps,” said Matt Kolken, a lawyer who also represents children seeking asylum in the U.S. “There’s been a systemic assault on the rights of immigrants by both President Obama and President Trump with respect to them using a detained setting as a way to dissuade people from coming to the United States.” [...]

“Like so much else in immigration, this administration has taken weapons that Obama’s folks loaded and left on the table on the way out and then they picked these weapons up and started firing, and that’s what’s happened here,” Free continued. “The previous administration created and stood up this infrastructure and refused to demand accountability from the people that were responsible for running it, and now you have its predictable consequence in the hands of this administration.”


https://www.thedailybeast...ocates-say


That's fine. No doubt attorneys are/have been on the front lines. But the danger here is trying the Obama admin for what the Trump administration is doing. I disagree that HRC would have done what Trump did and would only be more easily deterred because there is more scope to pressure a Democrat. The immigration "problem" was heightened and ramped up by Trump. No one else but Trump. He did it to stroke white Americans who are worried about losing their "status".

All the armchair parsing of who did what is losing sight of what is being done right now, a real danger here. Part of this is the insane racist reaction to Obama ever being elected in the first place. He actually tried to work with the opposing party.

To date, there is no separation law anyway. Trump could stop it with a phone call. Detaining children with their parents is better than detaining them separately. They had 4 social workers for 1200+ detainees yesterday, 4.


[Edited 6/18/18 9:08am]

Reply #32 posted 06/18/18 9:54am

deebee

poppys said:

deebee said:

It's good that people are going after the administration on this policy and trying to force change. I do, however, feel obliged to note that, like prisons, the aggressive policies of immigration detention and deportation have been very much a bipartisan affair. Trump's cranking the gears up, but previous administrations built the machine. It would have been better if Hillary had won, no doubt, but I'd say that that's because there's more scope to pressure a Democrat President for changes to existing policy in this area; and because, by contrast, there's little such scope with Trump, as his base laps this stuff up. But it does still seem like one of those areas where there's substantial convergence on the reality of the policy, if not the public rhetoric.


Thank Obama for Trump’s Child Detentions, Immigrant Advocates Say

“There’s very little difference between President Trump and President Obama with respect to the jailing of refugee children in deportation internment camps,” said Matt Kolken, a lawyer who also represents children seeking asylum in the U.S. “There’s been a systemic assault on the rights of immigrants by both President Obama and President Trump with respect to them using a detained setting as a way to dissuade people from coming to the United States.” [...]

“Like so much else in immigration, this administration has taken weapons that Obama’s folks loaded and left on the table on the way out and then they picked these weapons up and started firing, and that’s what’s happened here,” Free continued. “The previous administration created and stood up this infrastructure and refused to demand accountability from the people that were responsible for running it, and now you have its predictable consequence in the hands of this administration.”


https://www.thedailybeast...ocates-say


That's fine. No doubt attorneys are/have been on the front lines. But the danger here is trying the Obama admin for what the Trump administration is doing. I disagree that HRC would have done what Trump did and would only be more easily deterred because there is more scope to pressure a Democrat. The immigration "problem" was heightened and ramped up by Trump. No one else but Trump. He did it to stroke white Americans who are worried about losing their "status".

All the armchair parsing of who did what is losing sight of what is being done right now, a real danger here. Part of this is the insane racist reaction to Obama ever being elected in the first place. He actually tried to work with the opposing party.

To date, there is no separation law anyway. Trump could stop it with a phone call. Detaining children with their parents is better than detaining them separately. They had 4 social workers for 1200+ detainees yesterday, 4.


[Edited 6/18/18 9:08am]

I'm not looking to try past administrations; just to highlight the continuities in policy that go beyond the scope of the two-party split as it's currently configured. The extent to which this has been made a 'flagship' policy by Trump and aggressively pursued with hostile rhetoric certainly does bring its own effects, I agree, and stoking nativist resentments is always a very dangerous line that shouldn't be underestimated. But if there's a danger of losing sight of what's being done right now, there's also a danger of only seeing the right now, and not the historical tendencies that it's part of - because how we understand the situation and how it came about bears on our understanding of how it can be opposed. Democrat administrations have carried on the business of detention and deportation with much less bluster, but they have still carried it on. The stats in this clip are eyewatering.

Nonetheless, it's a very good thing if people are mobilising around the issue and taking the fight to the Trump administration, because everything has to start somewhere and that can also snowball. I'm just saying that, like prisons, we shouldn't underestimate how embedded detention and deportation policies are in states' strategies for managing global capitalism at the present time, and how it will take more than what the two-party split is offering to tackle that, in my opinion. I borrowed the point about how mass pressure needs to be applied in addition to electoral means, and the disappointments that tend to follow the failure to do that bit, from arguments Angela Davis was making ahead of the 2012 election, which seem to me to be borne out by bitter experience.

[Edited 6/18/18 10:02am]

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #33 posted 06/18/18 11:32am

poppys

deebee said:

poppys said:


That's fine. No doubt attorneys are/have been on the front lines. But the danger here is trying the Obama admin for what the Trump administration is doing. I disagree that HRC would have done what Trump did and would only be more easily deterred because there is more scope to pressure a Democrat. The immigration "problem" was heightened and ramped up by Trump. No one else but Trump. He did it to stroke white Americans who are worried about losing their "status".

All the armchair parsing of who did what is losing sight of what is being done right now, a real danger here. Part of this is the insane racist reaction to Obama ever being elected in the first place. He actually tried to work with the opposing party.

To date, there is no separation law anyway. Trump could stop it with a phone call. Detaining children with their parents is better than detaining them separately. They had 4 social workers for 1200+ detainees yesterday, 4.


I'm not looking to try past administrations; just to highlight the continuities in policy that go beyond the scope of the two-party split as it's currently configured. The extent to which this has been made a 'flagship' policy by Trump and aggressively pursued with hostile rhetoric certainly does bring its own effects, I agree, and stoking nativist resentments is always a very dangerous line that shouldn't be underestimated. But if there's a danger of losing sight of what's being done right now, there's also a danger of only seeing the right now, and not the historical tendencies that it's part of - because how we understand the situation and how it came about bears on our understanding of how it can be opposed. Democrat administrations have carried on the business of detention and deportation with much less bluster, but they have still carried it on. The stats in this clip are eyewatering.

Nonetheless, it's a very good thing if people are mobilising around the issue and taking the fight to the Trump administration, because everything has to start somewhere and that can also snowball. I'm just saying that, like prisons, we shouldn't underestimate how embedded detention and deportation policies are in states' strategies for managing global capitalism at the present time, and how it will take more than what the two-party split is offering to tackle that, in my opinion. I borrowed the point about how mass pressure needs to be applied in addition to electoral means, and the disappointments that tend to follow the failure to do that bit, from arguments Angela Davis was making ahead of the 2012 election, which seem to me to be borne out by bitter experience.


Agree. However, we have to move on from Obama/Hillary blaming. Trump ramped up everything by saying Mexico would PAY for the wall too. Now it's the Dems fault we have no wall. Bait and switch. We do have walls right now, you can't build them over water. Many people living on the border do not think it is the solution anyway. Most people fly here and never go back.

Immigration is a massive dilemma and always has been. Here and worldwide. Did you see the story about the boats of Libyans that got turned away by Malta and Italy this weekend? Spain finally took them. They were running out of provisions.

https://www.theguardian.c...lian-port


Matteo Salvini, Italy’s far-right interior minister, has declared victory after a standoff over the fate of 629 people on a humanitarian rescue boat prompted Spain to agree to accept them.

The impasse, after the populist and far-right government in Italy refused to allow the MS Aquarius to dock over the weekend, suggested that Europe could face a humanitarian crisis this summer as it comes to grips with the new Italian government’s hardline approach to refugees and migrants.

Salvini blocked the ship from Italian ports and said it should go to Malta instead. Malta refused, saying it had nothing to do with a rescue mission overseen by the Italian coastguard in waters off Libya.

“We have opened a front in Brussels,” said Salvini, who became interior minister last week. “We are contacting the European commission so that it can fulfil its duties towards Italy that have never been respected.”


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Reply #34 posted 06/18/18 2:08pm

poppys


Sessions was here today. Defending the Law speech redux. There were protestors and 5 people got arrested.

https://www.nola.com/national_politics/2018/06/immigration_protest_new_orlean.html

Protesters criticizing immigration policies gather outside Jeff Sessions' speech in New Orleans



[Edited 6/19/18 9:32am]

Reply #35 posted 06/18/18 5:21pm

free2bFreeda2

poppys said:


Sessions was here today. Defending the Law speech redux. There were protestors and 5 people got arrested.

: https://www.nola.com/national_politics/2018/06/immigration_protest_new_orlean.html

Protesters criticizing immigration policies gather outside Jeff Sessions' speech in New Orleans


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federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #36 posted 06/18/18 5:41pm

luv4u

Moderator

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/wo...-1.4711267

What's real, and what's not, about the U.S. border crisis

Thousands of children split from their families at the U.S. southern border are being held in government-run facilities. A look at how it came to this, what's real and what's not, and what might happen next.

Recent turn to 'zero tolerance' creates bad optics ahead of midterm elections

How did we get here?

Tens of thousands of parents and children, mostly from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, have been caught crossing the U.S.-Mexico border illegally in recent years with stories of fleeing drug cartels, extreme poverty and gang violence. The U.S. can't send them back over the border unless they are Mexican citizens, and instead must refer their case to an immigration judge.




************

Separating parent(s) from child(ren) is so wrong on all levels.

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Reply #37 posted 06/18/18 7:52pm

PennyPurple

KellyAnne was on CNN tonight. I wish networks would just ban her all together. She spews nothing but shit and lies.

Reply #38 posted 06/18/18 8:11pm

13cjk13

PennyPurple said:

KellyAnne was on CNN tonight. I wish networks would just ban her all together. She spews nothing but shit and lies.

She is nothing but putrid garbage. What a horrible, horrible woman.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #39 posted 06/18/18 8:27pm

PennyPurple

13cjk13 said:

PennyPurple said:

KellyAnne was on CNN tonight. I wish networks would just ban her all together. She spews nothing but shit and lies.

She is nothing but putrid garbage. What a horrible, horrible woman.

They need to stop giving her airtime.

Reply #40 posted 06/18/18 8:47pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

This is not America? Oh, yes, it is: Neil Macdonald

Trump has sensed that his voters want ruthlessness, and he's delivering

https://www.cbc.ca/news/o...-1.4711365

Along the southern border, families with the will and the heart to flee misery and seek asylum are being torn apart — the parents charged and prosecuted and deported, rather than welcomed through open doors. Their children, alone and terrified, sit numbly in tent cities erected by ICE, Donald Trump's freshly empowered immigration enforcers, who keep visiting do-gooders away, even papering over windows to hide what's going on within......

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Reply #41 posted 06/18/18 11:21pm

TweetyV6

What is so hard to understand about the word ILLEGAL?

Should the US or the EU just open their doors to anybody, without any constraints?

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P.s. If you find spelling errors, you may keep them
Reply #42 posted 06/18/18 11:50pm

free2bFreeda2

worth a read:
June 17, 2018 3:22 am
Separating Families at the Border Was Always Part of the Plan
: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/separating-families-at-border-was-always-part-of-the-plan.html
----->
last few paragraphs:
The zero tolerance
practice of immediately imprisoning, prosecuting, and deporting immigrants who illegally enter the United States has been around since 2005, but the George W. Bush and Obama administrations were morally and pragmatically opposed to separating immigrant children from their families, even if some adult immigrants were clearly taking advantage of that compassion.
That’s not who we are,” a team of Obama officials concluded after briefly considering the separations, according to former domestic policy adviser Cecilia Muñoz. Another Obama administration veteran, former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh C. Johnson, told the Times that efforts to deter undocumented immigrants from entering the U.S. are ineffective. “Whether it’s family detention, messaging about dangers of the journey, or messaging about separating families and zero tolerance, it’s always going to have at best a short-term reaction,” he explained.

But President Trump and his policy makers, having risen to power on the back of Trump’s xenophobic campaign rhetoric, employ a darker and more morally flexible pragmatism. The Times reports that Trump officials began discussing the division of immigrant families at the border soon after taking office, and that the Department of Homeland Security even did some trial runs separating children from their parents last summer in Texas. Implementing the border separation policy has always been part of their plan, it just took a little longer than people like Stephen Miller had hoped. After all, the Trump administration has arguably enjoyed no greater success than in its efforts targeting immigrants and all forms of immigration. Zero tolerance, especially toward immigrants, isn’t just a policy proposal to this president and his allies — it is the ideology that animates the entire Trump phenomenon, and a defining characteristic of the world as they want it to be.

bush passed the immigration ball to obama. trump painted the ball orange for his cronies. his rule says "forget compassion", because drumpf-trump is at center court as a one man team.
federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #43 posted 06/19/18 2:50am

Silvertongue7

TweetyV6 said:

What is so hard to understand about the word ILLEGAL?

Should the US or the EU just open their doors to anybody, without any constraints?

what is so hard to understand about the word CHILDREN?

Reply #44 posted 06/19/18 4:35am

BombSquad

it's not fucking relevant if it is illegal or not

Trump is torturing children as a deterrent, to threaten parents and potential migrants.

so it's safe to say he's a terrorist and a stinking piece of shit. [Snip no no no! - luv4u]


[Excuse snip - luv4u]

2013 Obama & Castro - "and barack has once again bowed down to a despot"
2018 Trump & Kim - "and it is happening now! after nearly 65 years and 11 presidents"
biggest fucking hypocrite around LOL only in da forum...
Reply #45 posted 06/19/18 4:50am

DiminutiveRocker

deebee said:

It's good that people are going after the administration on this policy and trying to force change. I do, however, feel obliged to note that, like prisons, the aggressive policies of immigration detention and deportation have been very much a bipartisan affair. Trump's cranking the gears up, but previous administrations built the machine. It would have been better if Hillary had won, no doubt, but I'd say that that's because there's more scope to pressure a Democrat President for changes to existing policy in this area; and because, by contrast, there's little such scope with Trump, as his base laps this stuff up. But it does still seem like one of those areas where there's substantial convergence on the reality of the policy, if not the public rhetoric.


Thank Obama for Trump’s Child Detentions, Immigrant Advocates Say

“There’s very little difference between President Trump and President Obama with respect to the jailing of refugee children in deportation internment camps,” said Matt Kolken, a lawyer who also represents children seeking asylum in the U.S. “There’s been a systemic assault on the rights of immigrants by both President Obama and President Trump with respect to them using a detained setting as a way to dissuade people from coming to the United States.” [...]

“Like so much else in immigration, this administration has taken weapons that Obama’s folks loaded and left on the table on the way out and then they picked these weapons up and started firing, and that’s what’s happened here,” Free continued. “The previous administration created and stood up this infrastructure and refused to demand accountability from the people that were responsible for running it, and now you have its predictable consequence in the hands of this administration.”


https://www.thedailybeast...ocates-say

The reporter leans conservative so of course she is going to compare Trump and Obama in this fashion so I am wary of her opinion being injected in this piece.

I am well aware that Obama deporting many people, but reporters who have been covering this issue at the borders have said that conditions of these holding facilities are far worse now and there is no doubt the Trump adminstration has a clear hand in that - hence, the story.




[Edited 6/19/18 5:57am]

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #46 posted 06/19/18 5:51am

DiminutiveRocker

TweetyV6 said:

What is so hard to understand about the word ILLEGAL?

Should the US or the EU just open their doors to anybody, without any constraints?



"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #47 posted 06/19/18 6:24am

poppys


We are punishing people trying to keep their children from being drafted at gunpoint into drug cartels. Do more to stop that, not punish the victims of that horror.

Last night NBC report - we now have 12,000 unaccompanied minors in custody in the US. The detention centers the older ones are in are like prisons and are privately run for profit facilities. They wake them up at midnight for headcounts.

The little ones they are taking now are not allowed to be touched or picked up, consoled or comforted by their 'caregivers'. A pediatrician, Dr. Colleen Kraft, that has been in there told Lester Holt that child abuse is not too strong a word. Government sanctioned child abuse.

Reply #48 posted 06/19/18 6:38am

luv4u

Moderator

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Detained then Violated.
https://theintercept.com/...e-ice-dhs/

NOT SAFE FOR WORK


This soooooo disgusting.

Sexual assaults. smh

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Reply #49 posted 06/19/18 6:41am

CherryMoon57

I just don't understand how Trump's administration can get away with all of this so easily. And why on earth isn't the UN intervening immediately??? What kind of world do we live in... disbelief

Reply #50 posted 06/19/18 6:42am

DiminutiveRocker

poppys said:


We are punishing people trying to keep their children from being drafted at gunpoint into drug cartels. Do more to stop that, not punish the victims of that horror.

Last night NBC report - we now have 12,000 unaccompanied minors in custody in the US. The detention centers the older ones are in are like prisons and are privately run for profit facilities. They wake them up at midnight for headcounts.

The little ones they are taking now are not allowed to be touched or picked up, consoled or comforted by their 'caregivers'. A pediatrician, Dr. Colleen Kraft, that has been in there told Lester Holt that child abuse is not too strong a word. Government sanctioned child abuse.



sad did you see the floor mats and mylar blankets these children have to sleep? They have no toys nothing to play with, no windows in those holding cells and have no idea when they wil be reunited with their parents. disbelief

Sessions has the audacity to say the separation policy is a deterrent. He has a track record of RACISM and evokes bible passages to support his twisted view. They are trying to persuade their base that all these people are criminals because they are fleeing horrific conditions in their countries of origin.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #51 posted 06/19/18 6:46am

poppys

luv4u said:

Detained then Violated.
https://theintercept.com/...e-ice-dhs/

NOT SAFE FOR WORK


This soooooo disgusting.

Sexual assaults. smh


Horrifying.

Reply #52 posted 06/19/18 6:46am

luv4u

Moderator

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Children's distress may help Trump bargain for his border wall

http://www.cbc.ca/news/wo...-1.4711582

Oh I see..........use the detainees and children as leverage for that stupid wall.

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Reply #53 posted 06/19/18 6:50am

DiminutiveRocker

luv4u said:

Children's distress may help Trump bargain for his border wall

http://www.cbc.ca/news/wo...-1.4711582

Oh I see..........use the detainees and children as leverage for that stupid wall.

^ *THAT* is what he is doing. Saying it is a law from Democrats is UNTRUE. TRUMP IS LYING.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #54 posted 06/19/18 6:57am

OnlyNDaUsa

FIRST: these are not asylum seekers. why is this lie being told over and over?


But I agree it is not being handled well. I assume, like it was when it happened a few years ago, that there is some reason they can not just send them back.


Also, ANY of them from south of Mexico...if they were truly seeking asylum they would have done so in Mexico.


But yes this is bad... I think families should be kept together--to SOME extent. But they also need to be sent home...

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #55 posted 06/19/18 7:04am

DiminutiveRocker

CherryMoon57 said:

I just don't understand how Trump's administration can get away with all of this so easily. And why on earth isn't the UN intervening immediately??? What kind of world do we live in... disbelief


Agreed - this is a human rights and a health issue for these people. It is disgusting. disbelief

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #56 posted 06/19/18 8:13am

deebee

CherryMoon57 said:

I just don't understand how Trump's administration can get away with all of this so easily. And why on earth isn't the UN intervening immediately??? What kind of world do we live in... disbelief

The UN has no power to intervene. Human rights, though they are supposed to be granted to all human beings regardless of nationality or citizenship, are nonetheless the responsibility of sovereign states to guarantee. The UN can offer guidance, such as this UNHCR global strategy encouraging members to end child detention and minimise immigration detention, but the organisation can't send a crack team to bust the kids out or something like that. With any other state, they could remind them of their obligations under the Convention on the Rights of the Child, but the US is the only one of the world's nations not to have ratified that.

I agree it's a terrible reflection on the character of the world we live in, though.

[Edited 6/19/18 8:14am]

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #57 posted 06/19/18 8:15am

PennyPurple

OnlyNDaUsa said:

FIRST: these are not asylum seekers. why is this lie being told over and over?


But I agree it is not being handled well. I assume, like it was when it happened a few years ago, that there is some reason they can not just send them back.


Also, ANY of them from south of Mexico...if they were truly seeking asylum they would have done so in Mexico.


But yes this is bad... I think families should be kept together--to SOME extent. But they also need to be sent home...

Then turn them away and send them back home. Why seperate them?

Reply #58 posted 06/19/18 8:35am

OnlyNDaUsa

PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

FIRST: these are not asylum seekers. why is this lie being told over and over?


But I agree it is not being handled well. I assume, like it was when it happened a few years ago, that there is some reason they can not just send them back.


Also, ANY of them from south of Mexico...if they were truly seeking asylum they would have done so in Mexico.


But yes this is bad... I think families should be kept together--to SOME extent. But they also need to be sent home...

Then turn them away and send them back home. Why seperate them?

I mentioned that... see the yellow. Some of the issues may be lack of a place to send them. Lack of ID? I do not know.

Why did they do this a few years ago? Why again?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #59 posted 06/19/18 8:44am

jjhunsecker

PennyPurple said:

13cjk13 said:

She is nothing but putrid garbage. What a horrible, horrible woman.

They need to stop giving her airtime.

Which was exactly what Michelle Wolf said. Anytime you see Kellyanne on TV, you can guarentee at least 90% of what she says is a lie

Reply #60 posted 06/19/18 8:48am

jjhunsecker

luv4u said:

This is not America? Oh, yes, it is: Neil Macdonald

Trump has sensed that his voters want ruthlessness, and he's delivering

https://www.cbc.ca/news/o...-1.4711365

Along the southern border, families with the will and the heart to flee misery and seek asylum are being torn apart — the parents charged and prosecuted and deported, rather than welcomed through open doors. Their children, alone and terrified, sit numbly in tent cities erected by ICE, Donald Trump's freshly empowered immigration enforcers, who keep visiting do-gooders away, even papering over windows to hide what's going on within......

His base doesn't care because these are Hispanics, and they don't want them in America

Reply #61 posted 06/19/18 9:18am

2elijah

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



poppys said:



We are punishing people trying to keep their children from being drafted at gunpoint into drug cartels. Do more to stop that, not punish the victims of that horror.

Last night NBC report - we now have 12,000 unaccompanied minors in custody in the US. The detention centers the older ones are in are like prisons and are privately run for profit facilities. They wake them up at midnight for headcounts.

The little ones they are taking now are not allowed to be touched or picked up, consoled or comforted by their 'caregivers'. A pediatrician, Dr. Colleen Kraft, that has been in there told Lester Holt that child abuse is not too strong a word. Government sanctioned child abuse.





sad did you see the floor mats and mylar blankets these children have to sleep? They have no toys nothing to play with, no windows in those holding cells and have no idea when they wil be reunited with their parents. disbelief

Sessions has the audacity to say the separation policy is a deterrent. He has a track record of RACISM and evokes bible passages to support his twisted view. They are trying to persuade their base that all these people are criminals because they are fleeing horrific conditions in their countries of origin.  


I told you all a long time ago that the whole immigration issue was about the fear of the browning of America. What they are doing to those children by taking their parents or adults they came with away, is wrong. Those kids are traumatized. They see themselves in a cage-like circumstances and their parents forced from them.
This is a disaster. Holding the children hostage so he could build a wall in order to keep out the Brown and Black immigrants out is disgusting. Trump seems to be playing up to the ‘hateful’ white nationalists/racist portion of his base. I’m sure they are happy to see this happening. It’s trump’s administration separating these children. He’s blaming everyone but himself.
[Edited 6/19/18 9:45am]
FEARLESS
Reply #62 posted 06/19/18 9:20am

jjhunsecker

Now THIS is a true CUNT...fucking bleached blonde overpriviliged spinster nasty bitch

https://www.huffingtonpos...b9e9a4840c

Laura Ingraham Compares Child Immigrant Detention Centers To Summer Camps

The Fox News host also quoted an article that likens the centers, some of which keep children in cage-like structures, to boarding school.

Fox News host Laura Ingraham criticized the backlash against the Trump administration for separating immigrant families at the border as part of its “zero tolerance” policy, comparing the detention centers, where children can be seen being kept inside chain-link cages and heard wailing for their parents, to summer camp.

“More kids are being separated from their parents and temporarily housed in what are essentially summer camps, or as The San Diego Union Tribune described them today, as basically looking like boarding schools,” Ingraham said Monday. “The American people are footing a really big bill for what is tantamount to a slow-rolling invasion of the United States.”

The newspaper reported that the Casa San Diego facility for immigrant children has “classrooms, a play area with soccer goals and a medical clinic with superheroes like Wonder Woman, Superman and the Hulk on the walls.”

Ingraham failed to mention the added context that the Tribune article included, which said that upon closer inspection, the facility contains aspects that resemble a prison.

“It’s surrounded by fencing that is backed by privacy netting, and a sign at the gate warns visitors that it’s under video surveillance 24 hours per day. If someone opens the front door of the facility without first swiping a badge, an alarm blares through the hallway, warning of a potential escape.”

Ingraham attempted to clarify her comments at the end of her Monday show, noting that she has spent time in Central America given that she adopted one of her children from Guatemala.

“Apparently there are a lot of people very upset because we referred to some of the detention facilities tonight as essentially like summer camps,” she said. “The San Diego Union Tribune today described the facilities as essentially like what you would expect at a boarding school. So I will stick to there are some of them like boarding schools. And I suggest that a lot of the folks who are worried about that spend more time in Central America. I have.”

Reply #63 posted 06/19/18 9:23am

jjhunsecker

2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:



sad did you see the floor mats and mylar blankets these children have to sleep? They have no toys nothing to play with, no windows in those holding cells and have no idea when they wil be reunited with their parents. disbelief

Sessions has the audacity to say the separation policy is a deterrent. He has a track record of RACISM and evokes bible passages to support his twisted view. They are trying to persuade their base that all these people are criminals because they are fleeing horrific conditions in their countries of origin.

I told you all a long time ago that the whole immigration issue was about the fear of the browning of America. What they are doing to those children by taking their parents or adults they came with away, is wrong. Those kids are traumatized. They see themselves in a cage-like circumstances and their parents forced from them. This is a disaster. Holding the children hostage so he could build a wall in order to keep out the Brown and Black immigrants out is disgusting. Trump seems to be playing up to the ‘hateful’ white nationalists/racist portion of his base. I’m sure they are happy to see this happening. [Edited 6/19/18 9:20am]

Trump and his base LOVE THIS...most of them hate Hispanics, and see them as less than human.

Of course, if this were Canadians, or Germans, or Trump's preferred Norwegians being treated like Animals in this matter, they would be upset....But Latinos, ehhh...

Reply #64 posted 06/19/18 9:27am

Silvertongue7

jjhunsecker said:

 



2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:

 




sad did you see the floor mats and mylar blankets these children have to sleep? They have no toys nothing to play with, no windows in those holding cells and have no idea when they wil be reunited with their parents. disbelief

Sessions has the audacity to say the separation policy is a deterrent. He has a track record of RACISM and evokes bible passages to support his twisted view. They are trying to persuade their base that all these people are criminals because they are fleeing horrific conditions in their countries of origin.  



I told you all a long time ago that the whole immigration issue was about the fear of the browning of America. What they are doing to those children by taking their parents or adults they came with away, is wrong. Those kids are traumatized. They see themselves in a cage-like circumstances and their parents forced from them. This is a disaster. Holding the children hostage so he could build a wall in order to keep out the Brown and Black immigrants out is disgusting. Trump seems to be playing up to the ‘hateful’ white nationalists/racist portion of his base. I’m sure they are happy to see this happening. [Edited 6/19/18 9:20am]

 


Trump and his base LOVE THIS...most of them hate Hispanics, and see them as less than human.


Of course, if this were Canadians, or Germans, or Trump's preferred Norwegians being treated like Animals in this matter, they would be upset....But Latinos, ehhh...


It’s not his base that is the issue. It is the rest of the republican voters. I refuse to believe that most republicans are fine with this. They need to make it clear that they are not, install fear in Republicans running for re election in November. It is the only way this will stop.
Reply #65 posted 06/19/18 9:30am

Empress

I understand that something has to be done about illegal immigration, but this is just disgusting and anyone condoning these actions should be ashamed.

Reply #66 posted 06/19/18 9:32am

jjhunsecker

Silvertongue7 said:

jjhunsecker said:

Trump and his base LOVE THIS...most of them hate Hispanics, and see them as less than human.

Of course, if this were Canadians, or Germans, or Trump's preferred Norwegians being treated like Animals in this matter, they would be upset....But Latinos, ehhh...

It’s not his base that is the issue. It is the rest of the republican voters. I refuse to believe that most republicans are fine with this. They need to make it clear that they are not, install fear in Republicans running for re election in November. It is the only way this will stop.

Then where are they ? I hear a FEW...but most are silent right now . And some parrot Trump's idiotic talking point that the DEMOCRATS are to blame for this.

Trump has turned many, if not most, Republican legislators and voters, into mindless and spineless zombies, who just follow him ....like lemmings into the sea

Reply #67 posted 06/19/18 9:41am

poppys

jjhunsecker said:

Silvertongue7 said:

It’s not his base that is the issue. It is the rest of the republican voters. I refuse to believe that most republicans are fine with this. They need to make it clear that they are not, install fear in Republicans running for re election in November. It is the only way this will stop.

Then where are they ? I hear a FEW...but most are silent right now . And some parrot Trump's idiotic talking point that the DEMOCRATS are to blame for this.

Trump has turned many, if not most, Republican legislators and voters, into mindless and spineless zombies, who just follow him ....like lemmings into the sea


That is the absolute nightmare. We cannot refuse to believe rank & file Republicans don't condone this. Not to mention Congress and the Courts (including Supreme). They are supposed to be the checks & balances. We are in a supported dictatorship - right here, right now.

Reply #68 posted 06/19/18 9:48am

2elijah

Silvertongue7 said:

jjhunsecker said:

 



2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:

 




sad did you see the floor mats and mylar blankets these children have to sleep? They have no toys nothing to play with, no windows in those holding cells and have no idea when they wil be reunited with their parents. disbelief

Sessions has the audacity to say the separation policy is a deterrent. He has a track record of RACISM and evokes bible passages to support his twisted view. They are trying to persuade their base that all these people are criminals because they are fleeing horrific conditions in their countries of origin.  



I told you all a long time ago that the whole immigration issue was about the fear of the browning of America. What they are doing to those children by taking their parents or adults they came with away, is wrong. Those kids are traumatized. They see themselves in a cage-like circumstances and their parents forced from them. This is a disaster. Holding the children hostage so he could build a wall in order to keep out the Brown and Black immigrants out is disgusting. Trump seems to be playing up to the ‘hateful’ white nationalists/racist portion of his base. I’m sure they are happy to see this happening. [Edited 6/19/18 9:20am]

 


Trump and his base LOVE THIS...most of them hate Hispanics, and see them as less than human.


Of course, if this were Canadians, or Germans, or Trump's preferred Norwegians being treated like Animals in this matter, they would be upset....But Latinos, ehhh...


It’s not his base that is the issue. It is the rest of the republican voters. I refuse to believe that most republicans are fine with this. They need to make it clear that they are not, install fear in Republicans running for re election in November. It is the only way this will stop.

It’s trump. He could stop this if he wanted to. He’s still playing to that portion of his base, regarding the immigration issue and building a wall, to make sure he has their support and they support republicans in the next election. He’s basically holding children as hostages by separating them from their families.
[Edited 6/19/18 9:51am]
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Reply #69 posted 06/19/18 9:54am

Silvertongue7

2elijah, you are of course right, he could stop it, but he’s not going to and we know the reasons why. And JJ, you are also right, and that’s the point I was trying to make: I believe that a significant number of republicans don’t approve of this. So where are they? They are the ones who can make it stop. Where are they, what are they waiting for to say ‘you don’t get to do this in my name’. Where, indeed, are they?
Reply #70 posted 06/19/18 9:58am

deebee

jjhunsecker said:

Now THIS is a true CUNT...fucking bleached blonde overpriviliged spinster nasty bitch

https://www.huffingtonpos...b9e9a4840c

Laura Ingraham Compares Child Immigrant Detention Centers To Summer Camps

The Fox News host also quoted an article that likens the centers, some of which keep children in cage-like structures, to boarding school.

Fox News host Laura Ingraham criticized the backlash against the Trump administration for separating immigrant families at the border as part of its “zero tolerance” policy, comparing the detention centers, where children can be seen being kept inside chain-link cages and heard wailing for their parents, to summer camp.

“More kids are being separated from their parents and temporarily housed in what are essentially summer camps, or as The San Diego Union Tribune described them today, as basically looking like boarding schools,” Ingraham said Monday. “The American people are footing a really big bill for what is tantamount to a slow-rolling invasion of the United States.”

The newspaper reported that the Casa San Diego facility for immigrant children has “classrooms, a play area with soccer goals and a medical clinic with superheroes like Wonder Woman, Superman and the Hulk on the walls.”

Ingraham failed to mention the added context that the Tribune article included, which said that upon closer inspection, the facility contains aspects that resemble a prison.

“It’s surrounded by fencing that is backed by privacy netting, and a sign at the gate warns visitors that it’s under video surveillance 24 hours per day. If someone opens the front door of the facility without first swiping a badge, an alarm blares through the hallway, warning of a potential escape.”

Ingraham attempted to clarify her comments at the end of her Monday show, noting that she has spent time in Central America given that she adopted one of her children from Guatemala.

“Apparently there are a lot of people very upset because we referred to some of the detention facilities tonight as essentially like summer camps,” she said. “The San Diego Union Tribune today described the facilities as essentially like what you would expect at a boarding school. So I will stick to there are some of them like boarding schools. And I suggest that a lot of the folks who are worried about that spend more time in Central America. I have.”

One wonders if she'd be happy to send her own children there for a stay....

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #71 posted 06/19/18 11:10am

DiminutiveRocker

Silvertongue7 said:

2elijah, you are of course right, he could stop it, but he’s not going to and we know the reasons why. And JJ, you are also right, and that’s the point I was trying to make: I believe that a significant number of republicans don’t approve of this. So where are they? They are the ones who can make it stop. Where are they, what are they waiting for to say ‘you don’t get to do this in my name’. Where, indeed, are they?


They are in the midst of their mid-term or planning next term election campaigns and are worried they will lose Trump supporters because if they do then a Democrat will take their place omfg

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #72 posted 06/19/18 11:33am

RodeoSchro

Anyone who supports this has no heart.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

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Reply #73 posted 06/19/18 11:36am

maplenpg

poppys said:


We are punishing people trying to keep their children from being drafted at gunpoint into drug cartels. Do more to stop that, not punish the victims of that horror.

Last night NBC report - we now have 12,000 unaccompanied minors in custody in the US. The detention centers the older ones are in are like prisons and are privately run for profit facilities. They wake them up at midnight for headcounts.

The little ones they are taking now are not allowed to be touched or picked up, consoled or comforted by their 'caregivers'. A pediatrician, Dr. Colleen Kraft, that has been in there told Lester Holt that child abuse is not too strong a word. Government sanctioned child abuse.

Yup (to bold). The following is from 2014 paper on child migration. Still applies today:


While economic opportunity has long motivated migration north, a 2013 UN refugee agency survey found that more migrants leave due to threats of violence than lack of economic opportunities.


Some children will win asylum status, and others may remain hidden from authorities. "Any of these is preferable to the threat of violence and death at home."—CFR's Edward Alden

It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
Reply #74 posted 06/19/18 11:40am

maplenpg

Silvertongue7 said:

2elijah, you are of course right, he could stop it, but he’s not going to and we know the reasons why. And JJ, you are also right, and that’s the point I was trying to make: I believe that a significant number of republicans don’t approve of this. So where are they? They are the ones who can make it stop. Where are they, what are they waiting for to say ‘you don’t get to do this in my name’. Where, indeed, are they?

I agree with the bolded part to a point. I think Trump has become so fixated in blaming Obama for this that he'll put in some measure to make it seem like he has made things better and try and take the glory for 'fixing' it all.

It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
Reply #75 posted 06/19/18 11:50am

maplenpg

OnlyNDaUsa said:

FIRST: these are not asylum seekers. why is this lie being told over and over?


But I agree it is not being handled well. I assume, like it was when it happened a few years ago, that there is some reason they can not just send them back.


Also, ANY of them from south of Mexico...if they were truly seeking asylum they would have done so in Mexico.


But yes this is bad... I think families should be kept together--to SOME extent. But they also need to be sent home...

I genuinely hope that we never find ourselves in the situation where leaving everything we know and attempting to enter a country that doesn't want us, in order just to try and get by in life. To then spend our lifes being untrusting as, if the truth is found out, we might be sent 'back' to whatever horrors we came from. Or to have to wave goodbye to our children in the hope that, at some point, someone will take care of them better than we are able to at home (through factors beyond our control), not ever knowing if, or when, we'll see them again. Please imagine that.

People trying to enter a country illegally do not do so because they want a picnic, most are willing to work hard in return for a little compassion. Sadly people don't want to listen to their stories, don't want to think of them as equals, even as human - they shouldn't have broken the law, so fuck 'em - just send them home.

It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
Reply #76 posted 06/19/18 12:12pm

DiminutiveRocker

maplenpg said:

Silvertongue7 said:

2elijah, you are of course right, he could stop it, but he’s not going to and we know the reasons why. And JJ, you are also right, and that’s the point I was trying to make: I believe that a significant number of republicans don’t approve of this. So where are they? They are the ones who can make it stop. Where are they, what are they waiting for to say ‘you don’t get to do this in my name’. Where, indeed, are they?

I agree with the bolded part to a point. I think Trump has become so fixated in blaming Obama for this that he'll put in some measure to make it seem like he has made things better and try and take the glory for 'fixing' it all.


Yep - that is his MO for evrything he does, isn't it? His answer to everything is "the Democrats" (even if it is a bold face lie) and further dividing this country because that is the plan - divide and conquer.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #77 posted 06/19/18 12:38pm

jjhunsecker

RodeoSchro said:

Anyone who supports this has no heart.

Sadly, in America, that describes a lot of people....especially when it comes to those who are "different"

Reply #78 posted 06/19/18 12:56pm

2elijah

Silvertongue7 said:

2elijah, you are of course right, he could stop it, but he’s not going to and we know the reasons why. And JJ, you are also right, and that’s the point I was trying to make: I believe that a significant number of republicans don’t approve of this. So where are they? They are the ones who can make it stop. Where are they, what are they waiting for to say ‘you don’t get to do this in my name’. Where, indeed, are they?

Agree, and like JJ said they are in the middle of mid-term elections. Many of them don’t have the guts to stand up to trump. And you’re right. Trump has no plans to stop the separation.
It’s sad that many Guatemalans are caught up between the gangs there, and have no choice but to flee. The U.S. and other countries know this is happening, so why not instead try to work with the government there, to stop the ms-13? It seems it will take some kind of military action to stop the violence against citizens there. I don’t have the answers as to what can be done, but it’s almost like they are fleeing s war-torn country, with gangs terrorizing the citizens. Many of the migrants are just trying to save their lives and their children.
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Reply #79 posted 06/19/18 1:04pm

2elijah

maplenpg said:

 



OnlyNDaUsa said:


FIRST: these are not asylum seekers. why is this lie being told over and over? 


But I agree it is not being handled well.  I assume, like it was when it happened a few years ago, that there is some reason they can not just send them back. 


Also, ANY of them from south of Mexico...if they were truly seeking asylum they would have done so in Mexico.  


But yes this is bad... I think families should be kept together--to SOME extent. But they also need to be sent home...



I genuinely hope that we never find ourselves in the situation where leaving everything we know and attempting to enter a country that doesn't want us, in order just to try and get by in life. To then spend our lifes being untrusting as, if the truth is found out, we might be sent 'back' to whatever horrors we came from. Or to have to wave goodbye to our children in the hope that, at some point, someone will take care of them better than we are able to at home (through factors beyond our control), not ever knowing if, or when, we'll see them again. Please imagine that.

People trying to enter a country illegally do not do so because they want a picnic, most are willing to work hard in return for a little compassion. Sadly people don't want to listen to their stories, don't want to think of them as equals, even as human - they shouldn't have broken the law, so fuck 'em - just send them home.


I believe that could happen to the U.S. someday. It’s not impossible. That seems to be the only way many in this country will understand what it is like to flee from violence with little to nothing, and with kids.
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Reply #80 posted 06/19/18 1:42pm

DiminutiveRocker

I am the one who sited the mid-terms, 2E lol but it is true - they need the Trump supporters to win so they stand silent while this vile policy is doubled down on. Laura Bush had courage to speak up at least - but she has nothing to lose in doing so. The GOP has become a pack of cowardly jerks - o hope something can be done to stop this sooner than later 😐




2elijah said:

maplenpg said:

 



OnlyNDaUsa said:


FIRST: these are not asylum seekers. why is this lie being told over and over? 


But I agree it is not being handled well.  I assume, like it was when it happened a few years ago, that there is some reason they can not just send them back. 


Also, ANY of them from south of Mexico...if they were truly seeking asylum they would have done so in Mexico.  


But yes this is bad... I think families should be kept together--to SOME extent. But they also need to be sent home...



I genuinely hope that we never find ourselves in the situation where leaving everything we know and attempting to enter a country that doesn't want us, in order just to try and get by in life. To then spend our lifes being untrusting as, if the truth is found out, we might be sent 'back' to whatever horrors we came from. Or to have to wave goodbye to our children in the hope that, at some point, someone will take care of them better than we are able to at home (through factors beyond our control), not ever knowing if, or when, we'll see them again. Please imagine that.

People trying to enter a country illegally do not do so because they want a picnic, most are willing to work hard in return for a little compassion. Sadly people don't want to listen to their stories, don't want to think of them as equals, even as human - they shouldn't have broken the law, so fuck 'em - just send them home.


I believe that could happen to the U.S. someday. It’s not impossible. That seems to be the only way many in this country will understand what it is like to flee from violence with little to nothing, and with kids.
"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #81 posted 06/19/18 2:00pm

jjhunsecker

Another horrible bitch ! What is wrong with these women ? Is it just me , or does the ugliness of their souls reflect on their faces ?

[Edited 6/19/18 14:01pm]

Reply #82 posted 06/19/18 2:03pm

DiminutiveRocker

jjhunsecker said:

Another horrible bitch !  What is wrong with these women ?  Is it just me , or does the ugliness of their souls reflect on their faces ?


 



 


 



 

[Edited 6/19/18 14:01pm]




It’s not you, JJ!
"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #83 posted 06/19/18 2:29pm

jjhunsecker

https://www.rollingstone....cy-w521619

https://www.rollingstone....ws-w521696

The Fox News Propaganda Machine Is in High Gear Over Family Separation

Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson and Jeff Sessions are misleading millions of Americans in dangerous ways

President Trump has instituted a number of morally dubious policies since taking office, but nothing has sparked so much outrage as the one issued last month that has caused over 2,000 migrant children – or, as Trump puts it, "only 2,000" – to be ripped away from their parents at the border. The images, audio and reporting detailing the separations and the conditions in which these kids are being forced to live have evoked a visceral response from the two-thirds of Americans w...the policy, and it would appear the administration has finally come upon something that not even the White House's seasoned collection of liars can defend.


With the administration doubling down, you better believe Fox News was going to follow suit during its primetime slate of state-sponsored programming. Children being kept in cages? It was a layup for Laura Ingraham, who likened the prison-like facilities in which newly unaccompanied children are living to "summer camps."

But kids attending summer camp know they'll be reunited with their parents, and don't have to beg to speak to them by phone. They also aren't kept in cages – especially not ones conta...er campers– where they're given nothing to play with other than a photocopy of their sudd...'s ID card.

Joining Ingraham was Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the man responsible for instituting the "zero tolerance" policy that yielded the current situation. Though Trump and DHS Secretary Nielsen have repeatedly denied the administration is responsible for the policy, Sessions has said the opposite. When asked whether the policy is meant to deter others from attempting to seek asylum in the United States, Sessions admitted it was. "Yes, hopefully people will get the message and come through the border at the port of entry and not [come] across the border unlawfully."

[Edited 6/19/18 14:34pm]

Reply #84 posted 06/19/18 4:24pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

And now he is using a diversion tactic of putting cross border shoppers on blast.

smh

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Reply #85 posted 06/19/18 5:18pm

poppys


They say they are not taking children from parents using the legal port of entry, but according to an attorney working down there they are. The NPR host had her repeat it to make sure she heard it correctly.

https://www.msn.com/en-us...msnnews11

Hundreds of members at Sessions's church write formal complaint over immigration policy

More than 600 members of the United Methodist Church signed onto a letter Monday condemning Attorney General Jeff Sessions for the Trump administration's policy of separating migrant parents and children at the U.S. border.

In the letter, the group of churchgoers, including clergy and church leadership, accuse Sessions of child abuse, immorality, racial discrimination and dissemination of doctrines contrary to the standards of the doctrine of the United Methodist Church.

Reply #86 posted 06/19/18 5:21pm

DiminutiveRocker

poppys said:


They say they are not taking children from parents using the legal port of entry, but according to an attorney working down there they are. The NPR host had her repeat it to make sure she heard it correctly.

https://www.msn.com/en-us...msnnews11

Hundreds of members at Sessions's church write formal complaint over immigration policy

More than 600 members of the United Methodist Church signed onto a letter Monday condemning Attorney General Jeff Sessions for the Trump administration's policy of separating migrant parents and children at the U.S. border.

In the letter, the group of churchgoers, including clergy and church leadership, accuse Sessions of child abuse, immorality, racial discrimination and dissemination of doctrines contrary to the standards of the doctrine of the United Methodist Church.

Wow. Well, it is obvioius that his scripture references or whatever he thinks he isevoking are a smoke shield for his racism. The racists of the Trump base are eating it up. disbelief

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #87 posted 06/19/18 5:23pm

DiminutiveRocker

Maybe this thread should get a sticky ?

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #88 posted 06/19/18 5:36pm

poppys

Wow. Sessions Bishop is going even further. Says he should repent.

“To disrupt or sever family relationships is incompatible with Scripture and Christian tradition,” said the president of the United Methodist Council of Bishops.

WASHINGTON ― It can’t feel good for Attorney General Jeff Sessions to see faith leaders of all persuasions condemning the Trump administration’s policy of separating children from their parents at the border. But now a leader of his own denomination says the policy is inconsistent with their faith and suggested that it’s time for Sessions to repent.

“To disrupt or sever family relationships is incompatible with Scripture and Christian tradition,” Bishop Kenneth Carter, the president of the United Methodist Church’s Council of Bishops, said in a new statement. “And where the church has been silent in previous generations and cultures, or contributed to the separation of families, we have later understood our complicity and at our best have engaged in acts of repentance.” Sessions is a longtime Methodist. Huffpost

Reply #89 posted 06/19/18 6:01pm

DiminutiveRocker

The fucked up repsonses continue - Corey Lewandowski openly and heartlessly mocks the separation of a 10-year-old child with down syndrome who was taken from his parents at the border. What a complete and utter ASSHOLE:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/corey-lewandowski-mocks-disabled-migrant-girl-who-was-separated-from-parents-womp-womp/I am




Meanwhile Trump is rejoicing about how well this is going. They are rejoicing at the outrage. I am still surprised how is it possible to be more deeply sickened by this administration every day. neutral













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"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #90 posted 06/19/18 6:10pm

DiminutiveRocker

As a show of protest, governors (D and R) around the country are pulling back and/or refusing to send their states' National Guard troops to the Mexican border until this separation policy is stopped by the Trump administration. It may not make a physical difference, but they are on record as having addressed this abhorrent policy.


clapping

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #91 posted 06/19/18 7:08pm

free2bFreeda2

DiminutiveRocker said:

As a show of protest, governors (D and R) around the country are pulling back and/or refusing to send their states' National Guard troops to the Mexican border until this separation policy is stopped by the Trump administration. It may not make a physical difference, but they are on record as having addressed this abhorrent policy.


clapping


Re: trump he's not looking at the separating of children from parents and/or guardians.
for him he emotes an above a moral quest mindset.
coldly trump's has shed any human "feelings" and "emotions," for they get in the way."
federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #92 posted 06/19/18 7:53pm

DiminutiveRocker

sad omg - the administratoin is actually sending little babies - toddlers nd younger - to secret "tender age" facilities with no plan in place to runite them with their parents.

This is pure evil. Without question, INHUMANE.


How could Homeland Security and ICE be carrying out this fucked up shit?

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #93 posted 06/19/18 7:56pm

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

The fucked up repsonses continue - Corey Lewandowski openly and heartlessly mocks the separation of a 10-year-old child with down syndrome who was taken from his parents at the border. What a complete and utter ASSHOLE:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/corey-lewandowski-mocks-disabled-migrant-girl-who-was-separated-from-parents-womp-womp/I am




Meanwhile Trump is rejoicing about how well this is going. They are rejoicing at the outrage. I am still surprised how is it possible to be more deeply sickened by this administration every day. neutral



Lewandowski's a sadistic sicko. They are all devoid of a soul, forget about a heart.


That link has another story that NY Gov Cuomo is suing the Trump Admin over the Child Separation Policy. Other states need to follow suit.

Reply #94 posted 06/19/18 8:07pm

poppys

jjhunsecker said:

luv4u said:

This is not America? Oh, yes, it is: Neil Macdonald

Trump has sensed that his voters want ruthlessness, and he's delivering

https://www.cbc.ca/news/o...-1.4711365

His base doesn't care because these are Hispanics, and they don't want them in America


"The United States will not be a migrant camp and it will not be a refugee holding facility ... not on my watch," Trump said at the White House Monday. "Immigration is the fault, and all the problems that we’re having because we cannot get them to sign legislation, we cannot get them even to the negotiating table, and I say it’s very strongly the Democrats.

"What's happening is so sad. It's so sad," he said.

In fact, the separation policy is a direct result of the Trump administration's decision to implement a "zero-tolerance" policy at the border, and the White House has not been able to demonstrate any Democratic policies that created it. Nonetheless, the president and his top aides continue to insist that fraudulent family claims have led to human-trafficking enterprises and other criminal activities, though have produced little evidence to that effect.

[Edited 6/19/18 20:08pm]

Reply #95 posted 06/19/18 8:08pm

jjhunsecker

This President is a fucking subhuman dog. He's an animal
Reply #96 posted 06/19/18 8:13pm

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

sad omg - the administratoin is actually sending little babies - toddlers nd younger - to secret "tender age" facilities with no plan in place to runite them with their parents.

This is pure evil. Without question, INHUMANE.


How could Homeland Security and ICE be carrying out this fucked up shit?


They are taking babies permanently? Where is that story?

Reply #97 posted 06/19/18 8:15pm

DiminutiveRocker

jjhunsecker said:

This President is a fucking subhuman dog. He's an animal


Piece of shit roll call:

Donald Trump!

Jeff Sessions!
John Bolton!

Corey Lewndowski!
Paul Ryan!

Mitch McConnell!

Mike Pence!

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #98 posted 06/19/18 8:17pm

DiminutiveRocker

poppys said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

sad omg - the administratoin is actually sending little babies - toddlers nd younger - to secret "tender age" facilities with no plan in place to runite them with their parents.

This is pure evil. Without question, INHUMANE.


How could Homeland Security and ICE be carrying out this fucked up shit?


They are taking babies permanently? Where is that story?


Associated Press just reported:


https://www.washingtonpos...1441efd967

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #99 posted 06/19/18 8:23pm

PennyPurple

From Snopes


A cluster of rumors about the controversial separation of families at the border held that the policy came before the Trump administration, either stemming from a 1997 “law” or purported policies of previous administrations. Those claims were false. No federal law required or suggested the family separation policy announced by Attorney General Sessions in several sets of remarks during April and May 2018.

Reply #100 posted 06/19/18 8:31pm

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

poppys said:


They are taking babies permanently? Where is that story?


Associated Press just reported:


https://www.washingtonpos...1441efd967


That article is truly awful but it does not say they are taking small children permanently. I guess if their parent/s have criminal records here and are prosecuted but that is not really the case. The Trump admin is pushing the criminal angle of the parents as a reason to separate them, but it's a lie.

They are moving children around so they will get lost. Those kids are going to start getting sick too. As the article said, we don't have orphanages anymore, or any way to house thousands of children all packed together.


Reply #101 posted 06/19/18 8:50pm

jjhunsecker

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



jjhunsecker said:


This President is a fucking subhuman dog. He's an animal


Piece of shit roll call:


 


Donald Trump!


Jeff Sessions!
John Bolton! 


Corey Lewndowski!
Paul Ryan!


Mitch McConnell!


Mike Pence!



A list of some of the lowest rat bastards America has ever vomited up
Reply #102 posted 06/19/18 9:06pm

13cjk13

jjhunsecker said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Piece of shit roll call:

Donald Trump!

Jeff Sessions!
John Bolton!

Corey Lewndowski!
Paul Ryan!

Mitch McConnell!

Mike Pence!

A list of some of the lowest rat bastards America has ever vomited up

Pure fucking GARBAGE. Each and every one of these motherfucking pigs. And some are still defending this filth.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #103 posted 06/19/18 9:09pm

13cjk13

'Womp, womp': Ex-Trump campaign manager Lewandowski mocks migrant girl with Down syndrome

Source: USA Today

Former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski cynically dismissed concerns about reports that a migrant girl with Down syndrome had been separated from her mother at the southwest U.S. border as a result of the White House's "zero-tolerance" immigration policy.

"Womp, womp," Lewandowski said to fellow panelist Zac Petkanas during an appearance on Fox News Tuesday night after Petkanas, a Democratic strategist, said he had read about a 10-year-old girl with Down syndrome "who was taken from her mother and put in a cage."

"Did you say 'womp, womp' to a 10-year-old with Down syndrome being separated from her mother?" a shocked Petkanas asked. "How dare you."

"What I said is you can pick anything you want to, but the bottom line is very clear: when you cross the border illegally you have given up the rights of that country," Lewandowski said. "When you cross the border illegally, when you commit a crime, you are taken away from your family because that's how this country works."

After the show, Petkansas said in a tweet that exchange with Lewandowski "was truly a surreal moment."

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #104 posted 06/19/18 9:45pm

DiminutiveRocker

poppys said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Associated Press just reported:


https://www.washingtonpos...1441efd967


That article is truly awful but it does not say they are taking small children permanently. I guess if their parent/s have criminal records here and are prosecuted but that is not really the case. The Trump admin is pushing the criminal angle of the parents as a reason to separate them, but it's a lie.

They are moving children around so they will get lost. Those kids are going to start getting sick too. As the article said, we don't have orphanages anymore, or any way to house thousands of children all packed together.



They elaborted more on the news - there is no plan in place to return these children to their parents. They are deporting the parents and sending the children to holding facilities.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #105 posted 06/19/18 9:46pm

DiminutiveRocker

13cjk13 said:

'Womp, womp': Ex-Trump campaign manager Lewandowski mocks migrant girl with Down syndrome

Source: USA Today

Former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski cynically dismissed concerns about reports that a migrant girl with Down syndrome had been separated from her mother at the southwest U.S. border as a result of the White House's "zero-tolerance" immigration policy.

"Womp, womp," Lewandowski said to fellow panelist Zac Petkanas during an appearance on Fox News Tuesday night after Petkanas, a Democratic strategist, said he had read about a 10-year-old girl with Down syndrome "who was taken from her mother and put in a cage."

"Did you say 'womp, womp' to a 10-year-old with Down syndrome being separated from her mother?" a shocked Petkanas asked. "How dare you."

"What I said is you can pick anything you want to, but the bottom line is very clear: when you cross the border illegally you have given up the rights of that country," Lewandowski said. "When you cross the border illegally, when you commit a crime, you are taken away from your family because that's how this country works."

After the show, Petkansas said in a tweet that exchange with Lewandowski "was truly a surreal moment."


CL is a runny filthy piece of rat feces.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #106 posted 06/19/18 9:49pm

lazycrockett

The thing to remember is that the majority of adults that have been arrested and placed in federal jail will not be granted asylum and deported back to their original country in a couple of weeks, the children will be dealt with separately and by the time they are processed they have next to nil chance of being reunited with their parents. These kids who are now traumaticed by being brutally taken from their parents will grow up to by scarred and emotionally challenged.

Welcome to the next generation of home grown terrorist.

but her emails........

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #107 posted 06/19/18 9:53pm

DiminutiveRocker

lazycrockett said:

The thing to remember is that the majority of adults that have been arrested and placed in federal jail will not be granted asylum and deported back to their original country in a couple of weeks, the children will be dealt with separately and by the time they are processed they have next to nil chance of being reunited with their parents. These kids who are now traumaticed by being brutally taken from their parents will grow up to by scarred and emotionally challenged.

Welcome to the next generation of home grown terrorist.

but her emails........

sad this ^ is the Trump legacy. I hate him and his fucking racist subhuman administration.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #108 posted 06/19/18 9:56pm

13cjk13

DiminutiveRocker said:

13cjk13 said:

'Womp, womp': Ex-Trump campaign manager Lewandowski mocks migrant girl with Down syndrome

Source: USA Today

Former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski cynically dismissed concerns about reports that a migrant girl with Down syndrome had been separated from her mother at the southwest U.S. border as a result of the White House's "zero-tolerance" immigration policy.

"Womp, womp," Lewandowski said to fellow panelist Zac Petkanas during an appearance on Fox News Tuesday night after Petkanas, a Democratic strategist, said he had read about a 10-year-old girl with Down syndrome "who was taken from her mother and put in a cage."

"Did you say 'womp, womp' to a 10-year-old with Down syndrome being separated from her mother?" a shocked Petkanas asked. "How dare you."

"What I said is you can pick anything you want to, but the bottom line is very clear: when you cross the border illegally you have given up the rights of that country," Lewandowski said. "When you cross the border illegally, when you commit a crime, you are taken away from your family because that's how this country works."

After the show, Petkansas said in a tweet that exchange with Lewandowski "was truly a surreal moment."


CL is a runny filthy piece of rat feces.

You should watch it. Corey Lewandowski is truly an absolutely vile piece of shit. Imagine having to defend this fucking pig of a human being. I really cant express how disgusting he is, an absolute embarrasment to this country.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #109 posted 06/19/18 10:01pm

lazycrockett

DiminutiveRocker said:

lazycrockett said:

The thing to remember is that the majority of adults that have been arrested and placed in federal jail will not be granted asylum and deported back to their original country in a couple of weeks, the children will be dealt with separately and by the time they are processed they have next to nil chance of being reunited with their parents. These kids who are now traumaticed by being brutally taken from their parents will grow up to by scarred and emotionally challenged.

Welcome to the next generation of home grown terrorist.

but her emails........

sad this ^ is the Trump legacy. I hate him and his fucking racist subhuman administration.

Oh and before the usual trolls come to play and say that Drumpf and the administration will do their best to reunite these families. The parents are mostly like dead, cause of the price on their heads from the gangs and drug cartels place on them which caused them to flee in the first place.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #110 posted 06/19/18 10:06pm

13cjk13

lazycrockett said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

sad this ^ is the Trump legacy. I hate him and his fucking racist subhuman administration.

Oh and before the usual trolls come to play and say that Drumpf and the administration will do their best to reunite these families. The parents are mostly like dead, cause of the price on their heads from the gangs and drug cartels place on them which caused them to flee in the first place.

Amazing that there would be ANYONE that would defend these monstrous fucking assholes.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #111 posted 06/19/18 10:07pm

lazycrockett

13cjk13 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


CL is a runny filthy piece of rat feces.

You should watch it. Corey Lewandowski is truly an absolutely vile piece of shit. Imagine having to defend this fucking pig of a human being. I really cant express how disgusting he is, an absolute embarrasment to this country.

If you really care you can call T Mobile and ask why they have hired CL to be their lobbyist.......... 1 800 T Mobile.

Also you could find out who advertises on that Nazi Laural Ingraham tv and radio show and ask why they support her and her "summer death camps for children".

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #112 posted 06/19/18 10:20pm

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

poppys said:


That article is truly awful but it does not say they are taking small children permanently. I guess if their parent/s have criminal records here and are prosecuted but that is not really the case. The Trump admin is pushing the criminal angle of the parents as a reason to separate them, but it's a lie.

They are moving children around so they will get lost. Those kids are going to start getting sick too. As the article said, we don't have orphanages anymore, or any way to house thousands of children all packed together.



They elaborted more on the news - there is no plan in place to return these children to their parents. They are deporting the parents and sending the children to holding facilities.


I'm not surprised they are doing that. The did it with kids and their parents after Katrina. People got on planes without knowing where they were going. They don't have a plan to return the children - but they will have to account for them eventually. Or dump them separately like Crockett said. They're not going to make them citizens.

There will be tons of individual lawsuits. At least one was filed today for a mother seeking asylum who hasn't seen her son for a month. They moved him to another state.

No doubt it is life changing for all the children. Some will die one way or another without getting through this. Deplorable actually sounds too nice now, huh? These feds are stone criminals.


Reply #113 posted 06/19/18 10:39pm

poppys

Huffpost
(Reuters) - Over 2300 children were separated from their pare...ico border between May 5 and June 9 under the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy, U.S. Customs and Border Protection said on Tuesday, and immigration advocates and legal experts say there is no clear system in place to reunite them.

Parents who are no longer detained “are entitled to get their kids back through a documented process,” U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen
Fucking Bitch said.

If they're holding 2300 kids they detained in that 5 weeks, they probably took around 1000 more in the last 10 days.

Reply #114 posted 06/19/18 10:43pm

lazycrockett

^ according to @maddow the current number is an average of 70 children separated daily. This administration has doubled down and will gleefully continue this to gloat at the liberals.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #115 posted 06/19/18 10:46pm

TweetyV6

DiminutiveRocker said:

TweetyV6 said:

What is so hard to understand about the word ILLEGAL?

Should the US or the EU just open their doors to anybody, without any constraints?



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SNIP flame bait - OF4$, but try to understand that they are entering the country ILLEGALY.

Sneaking in, instead of going the official path.

___________________________________________________________________________________

All thinking men are Atheists - Hemingway

P.s. If you find spelling errors, you may keep them
Reply #116 posted 06/19/18 10:52pm

lazycrockett

^This administration is closing down points of entrance to keep the asylum seekers from entering the country leaving them stuck in a no mans zone and no where to go. They are forcing them to either die in the desert or cross the border illegally. Don't buy the PR BS that this administration is trying to pull over on the faux viewers of this country. It is wrong, it is evil and its not American.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #117 posted 06/19/18 10:52pm

TweetyV6

Silvertongue7 said:

TweetyV6 said:

What is so hard to understand about the word ILLEGAL?

Should the US or the EU just open their doors to anybody, without any constraints?

what is so hard to understand about the word CHILDREN?


Ask me if I care.

___________________________________________________________________________________

All thinking men are Atheists - Hemingway

P.s. If you find spelling errors, you may keep them
Reply #118 posted 06/20/18 1:37am

CherryMoon57

Reply #119 posted 06/20/18 4:07am

DiminutiveRocker

TweetyV6 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:



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SNIP - OF4$, but try to understand that they are entering the country ILLEGALY.

Sneaking in, instead of going the official path.

SNIP- but try to imagine traveling several miles with nothing but the clothes on your back to apply for political asylum and having your small child wrenched away from you and thrown into A) what appears to be a holding facility/cage with a foam mat and a mylar blanket or B) be sent several thousand miles away into foster care with no plan to be given back you as you prepare to be denied asylum and deported without your child being returned to you.

Oh, wait - apologies, I forgot who I was talking to! I'll rephrase this ^ just for you: womp womp...womp womp womp = bad no no no!

hug

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #120 posted 06/20/18 4:10am

DiminutiveRocker

lazycrockett said:

^This administration is closing down points of entrance to keep the asylum seekers from entering the country leaving them stuck in a no mans zone and no where to go. They are forcing them to either die in the desert or cross the border illegally. Don't buy the PR BS that this administration is trying to pull over on the faux viewers of this country. It is wrong, it is evil and its not American.


Psssst...Lazy - don't bother, he does not understand. He is from a place where weather doesn't change and IQs do not reach 75. biggrin

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #121 posted 06/20/18 4:29am

TweetyV6

DiminutiveRocker said:

lazycrockett said:

^This administration is closing down points of entrance to keep the asylum seekers from entering the country leaving them stuck in a no mans zone and no where to go. They are forcing them to either die in the desert or cross the border illegally. Don't buy the PR BS that this administration is trying to pull over on the faux viewers of this country. It is wrong, it is evil and its not American.


Psssst...Lazy - don't bother, he does not understand. He is from a place where weather doesn't change and IQs do not reach 75. biggrin


lol lol lol

Say's the one living in the land of fruits & nuts wink


But hey, back OT....

What do you want? Trump saying 'Wir schaffen dass?' and open all gates?

Nobody forces those people to go to the US (don't understand why they want to live in an underdeveloped country at all) and they dragging their kids along.

___________________________________________________________________________________

All thinking men are Atheists - Hemingway

P.s. If you find spelling errors, you may keep them
Reply #122 posted 06/20/18 4:55am

DiminutiveRocker

jjhunsecker said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Piece of shit roll call:

Donald Trump!

Jeff Sessions!
John Bolton!

Corey Lewndowski!
Paul Ryan!

Mitch McConnell!

Mike Pence!

A list of some of the lowest rat bastards America has ever vomited up

Forgot to add one of the biggest POS of all to the roll call:

Stephen Miller!

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #123 posted 06/20/18 5:01am

DiminutiveRocker

13cjk13 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


CL is a runny filthy piece of rat feces.

You should watch it. Corey Lewandowski is truly an absolutely vile piece of shit. Imagine having to defend this fucking pig of a human being. I really cant express how disgusting he is, an absolute embarrasment to this country.


I did - I posted about it in #89











[Edited 6/20/18 5:02am]

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #124 posted 06/20/18 5:21am

DiminutiveRocker

A growing number of both republican and democratic mayors and governors step up to oppose the separation of immigrant families at the border:


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/governors-withdraw-national-guard-troops-over-family-separation-policy/


While these gestures are largely symbolic rather than practical, it's yet another message to the current feckless dishonest administration.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #125 posted 06/21/18 11:57am

SoulAlive

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Reply #126 posted 06/21/18 12:18pm

Silvertongue7

TweetyV6 said:

 



Silvertongue7 said:


 



TweetyV6 said:


What is so hard to understand about the word ILLEGAL?

Should the US or the EU just open their doors to anybody, without any constraints?



what is so hard to understand about the word CHILDREN? 




Ask me if I care.


Melania?
https://nypost.com/2018/06/21/melania-trump-wears-i-really-dont-care-do-u-jacket-to-border/
Reply #127 posted 06/21/18 1:26pm

maplenpg

Silvertongue7 said:

TweetyV6 said:


Ask me if I care.

Melania? https://nypost.com/2018/0...to-border/

lol I do wonder about the jacket though. Serious fashion faux pas at a critical moment? Honest statement about migrant family separation? Or (and this one is my own personal opinion/preference) direct message to Trump about the state of their marriage?

It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
Reply #128 posted 06/21/18 2:18pm

DiminutiveRocker

Silvertongue7 said:

TweetyV6 said:


Ask me if I care.

Melania? https://nypost.com/2018/0...to-border/

Pretty inappropiate apparel for a very important appearance. But are we really surprised?

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #129 posted 06/21/18 2:34pm

SoulAlive

...

[Edited 6/21/18 14:34pm]

Reply #130 posted 06/21/18 3:36pm

jjhunsecker

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



jjhunsecker said:


DiminutiveRocker said:

 



Piece of shit roll call:


 


Donald Trump!


Jeff Sessions!
John Bolton! 


Corey Lewndowski!
Paul Ryan!


Mitch McConnell!


Mike Pence!



A list of some of the lowest rat bastards America has ever vomited up

 


Forgot to add one of the biggest POS of all to the roll call:  


 


Stephen Miller!



True dat ! Next to Trump, he's the lowest sucking mutt of them all
And what is really fucked up is that as a Jew, he should know better
Reply #131 posted 06/21/18 3:41pm

jjhunsecker

SoulAlive said:

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It's pretty clear that Trump and his minions consider non-White people to be lesser beings. That's why all his supporters should be questioned about whether they accept this world view or not. If they don't separate themselves from this type of rhetoric, they should not be upset if they are tagged as bigots and racists
Reply #132 posted 06/21/18 4:56pm

13cjk13

jjhunsecker said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Forgot to add one of the biggest POS of all to the roll call:

Stephen Miller!

True dat ! Next to Trump, he's the lowest sucking mutt of them all And what is really fucked up is that as a Jew, he should know better

Just learned of a new one. Julia Hahn. Google her if you havent heard of her. Deplorable, dangerous, racist asshole.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #133 posted 06/21/18 5:14pm

DiminutiveRocker

jjhunsecker said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Forgot to add one of the biggest POS of all to the roll call:

Stephen Miller!

True dat ! Next to Trump, he's the lowest sucking mutt of them all And what is really fucked up is that as a Jew, he should know better

If the Charlottesville thing didn't phase him, why would this dispicable action? neutral

They are all dispicable sub-human beings.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #134 posted 06/21/18 5:50pm

PennyPurple

Wow, the threads back open, imagine that.

Reply #135 posted 06/21/18 5:59pm

DiminutiveRocker

PennyPurple said:

Wow, the threads back open, imagine that.


shrug yep

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #136 posted 06/21/18 6:46pm

poppys

idea2 um party on

Reply #137 posted 06/21/18 7:09pm

poppys

maplenpg said:

Silvertongue7 said:

TweetyV6 said: Melania? https://nypost.com/2018/0...to-border/


lol I do wonder about the jacket though. Serious fashion faux pas at a critical moment? Honest statement about migrant family separation? Or (and this one is my own personal opinion/preference) direct message to Trump about the state of their marriage?


Honestly, I don't know what it is. Somewhat disturbing. Be Best.

a person with collar shirt

Reply #138 posted 06/21/18 7:41pm

2elijah

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



jjhunsecker said:


DiminutiveRocker said:

 


 


Forgot to add one of the biggest POS of all to the roll call:  


 


Stephen Miller!



True dat ! Next to Trump, he's the lowest sucking mutt of them all And what is really fucked up is that as a Jew, he should know better

 


If the Charlottesville thing didn't phase him, why would this dispicable action? neutral

They are all dispicable sub-human beings.


I hear the same white supremacist group that showed up at the Charlottesville rally, is going to hold a ‘white civil rights rally’ in front of the White House. Those nuts are crazier and twisted than a sack of sh*t. So I guess trump will be happy to see that part of his base show up and support him. Damn shame the lack of humanity sitting in the White House. Evil.
[Edited 6/21/18 19:42pm]
FEARLESS
Reply #139 posted 06/21/18 7:43pm

2elijah

poppys said:

 



maplenpg said:


 



Silvertongue7 said:


TweetyV6 said: Melania? https://nypost.com/2018/06/21/melania-trump-wears-i-really-dont-care-do-u-jacket-to-border/


lol I do wonder about the jacket though. Serious fashion faux pas at a critical moment? Honest statement about migrant family separation? Or (and this one is my own personal opinion/preference) direct message to Trump about the state of their marriage? 




Honestly, I don't know what it is. Somewhat disturbing. Be Best.


a person with collar shirt  


That shows how fake she is just like her husband. Why would you be that callous to wear such an article of clothing, while visiting children forced from their parents, because of your husband, then smile in the faces of those children? So fake.
[Edited 6/21/18 20:01pm]
FEARLESS
Reply #140 posted 06/21/18 7:54pm

2elijah

jjhunsecker said:

SoulAlive said:

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It's pretty clear that Trump and his minions consider non-White people to be lesser beings. That's why all his supporters should be questioned about whether they accept this world view or not. If they don't separate themselves from this type of rhetoric, they should not be upset if they are tagged as bigots and racists

Exactly. Trump is insecure about the Black and Brown population. Many of his supporters and trump, fear the progress of the Brown and Black people of the world. The entire immigration issue is about the fear of the browning of America. And we know that trump is using the race card intentionally, as a fear tactic to keep many within his support base, in fear of the progress of the Black and Brown progressing economically in America.

Once agsin we see the same, fear tactic white suprenacists used in the past, by promoting their racist ideology, filled with lies and ignorance to brainwash members of their racial group, just to maintain the fear, hate and division.
[Edited 6/21/18 19:58pm]
FEARLESS
Reply #141 posted 06/21/18 8:48pm

jjhunsecker

DiminutiveRocker said:

jjhunsecker said:

DiminutiveRocker said: True dat ! Next to Trump, he's the lowest sucking mutt of them all And what is really fucked up is that as a Jew, he should know better

If the Charlottesville thing didn't phase him, why would this dispicable action? neutral

They are all dispicable sub-human beings.

What a scumbag... a Jew who espouses hatred for others

Reply #142 posted 06/22/18 2:56am

CherryMoon57

TweetyV6 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Psssst...Lazy - don't bother, he does not understand. He is from a place where weather doesn't change and IQs do not reach 75. biggrin


lol lol lol

Say's the one living in the land of fruits & nuts wink


But hey, back OT....

What do you want? Trump saying 'Wir schaffen dass?' and open all gates?

Nobody forces those people to go to the US (don't understand why they want to live in an underdeveloped country at all) and they dragging their kids along.


I wonder what would've happened if all the pilgrims and colonists' children had immediately been seperated and undefinitely detained by the natives as soon as they had arrived to the already occupied 'new' world. After all 'nobody had forced them to to go 'there' either... Would today's America (and Donald Trump) even exist at all?

'Those people' are only following the colonists example in that they are trying to better their lives and children's future, so why are you judging them?

Reply #143 posted 06/22/18 3:24am

DiminutiveRocker

2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:
It's pretty clear that Trump and his minions consider non-White people to be lesser beings. That's why all his supporters should be questioned about whether they accept this world view or not. If they don't separate themselves from this type of rhetoric, they should not be upset if they are tagged as bigots and racists
Exactly. Trump is insecure about the Black and Brown population. Many of his supporters and trump, fear the progress of the Brown and Black people of the world. The entire immigration issue is about the fear of the browning of America. And we know that trump is using the race card intentionally, as a fear tactic to keep many within his support base, in fear of the progress of the Black and Brown progressing economically in America. Once agsin we see the same, fear tactic white suprenacists used in the past, by promoting their racist ideology, filled with lies and ignorance to brainwash members of their racial group, just to maintain the fear, hate and division. [Edited 6/21/18 19:58pm]


nod This is all about his campaign promise to build a wall - appease his white supremist base, those cheering him on at these rallies. Trump's legacy will be built on this issue - the man responsible for traumatizing the smallest of children by separating them from their parents. This transcends political ideology ---> Trump is openly racist, there is no ifs ands or buts about it.

The world is watching. He MUST be stopped in 2020.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #144 posted 06/22/18 3:56am

DiminutiveRocker

2elijah said:

poppys said:


Honestly, I don't know what it is. Somewhat disturbing. Be Best.

a person with collar shirt

That shows how fake she is just like her husband. Why would you be that callous to wear such an article of clothing, while visiting children forced from their parents, because of your husband, then smile in the faces of those children? So fake. [Edited 6/21/18 20:01pm]


"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #145 posted 06/22/18 6:03am

PennyPurple

^^^^Very powerful!

Reply #146 posted 06/22/18 6:33am

poppys

PennyPurple said:

^^^^Very powerful!

I heart that too.

Reply #147 posted 06/22/18 6:40am

poppys

2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

If the Charlottesville thing didn't phase him, why would this dispicable action? neutral

They are all dispicable sub-human beings.


I hear the same white supremacist group that showed up at the Charlottesville rally, is going to hold a ‘white civil rights rally’ in front of the White House.
Those nuts are crazier and twisted than a sack of sh*t. So I guess trump will be happy to see that part of his base show up and support him. Damn shame the lack of humanity sitting in the White House. Evil.


Richard Fucking Spencer? I'm sorry, why is that demon still alive when good folks aren't? disbelief He literally got chased out of Charlottesville the day after that horror. They need to get the tar and feathers ready in DC.


Reply #148 posted 06/22/18 7:07am

poppys

2elijah said:

poppys said:


Honestly, I don't know what it is. Somewhat disturbing. Be Best.

a person with collar shirt


That shows how fake she is just like her husband. Why would you be that callous to wear such an article of clothing, while visiting children forced from their parents, because of your husband, then smile in the faces of those children? So fake.


Exactly. Her ambiguous fashion statement. Should read - I don't give a shit about anything, so there.

Who gets the prize for most tone deaf this week? Melania or Kirstjen (I love going for upscale Mexican after a long day of locking up their children) Nielsen???

Reply #149 posted 06/22/18 10:05am

2freaky4church1

If someone claims asylum they get their day in court. Kids usually stay in the US for good.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #150 posted 06/22/18 10:32am

PennyPurple

2freaky4church1 said:

If someone claims asylum they get their day in court. Kids usually stay in the US for good.

That's what most are trying to do, but that avenue is being blocked by Trump.


Do you think that those people waiting in line to be processed for months are trying to crawl into the US in the middle of the night?

Reply #151 posted 06/22/18 10:38am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

2elijah said:

poppys said:


Honestly, I don't know what it is. Somewhat disturbing. Be Best.

a person with collar shirt

That shows how fake she is just like her husband. Why would you be that callous to wear such an article of clothing, while visiting children forced from their parents, because of your husband, then smile in the faces of those children? So fake. [Edited 6/21/18 20:01pm]

seems she wore it onto the plane in reaction to media stuff

she had a different jacket on when she got off the plain

.

It was silly. and the media reacting to it is silly.

Our society because of cyberspace is all on reactive living now

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
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Reply #152 posted 06/22/18 12:48pm

SoulAlive

jjhunsecker said:

SoulAlive said:

Image may contain: 1 person, text

It's pretty clear that Trump and his minions consider non-White people to be lesser beings. That's why all his supporters should be questioned about whether they accept this world view or not. If they don't separate themselves from this type of rhetoric, they should not be upset if they are tagged as bigots and racists

Exactly nod

Reply #153 posted 06/22/18 3:00pm

13cjk13

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

poppys said: That shows how fake she is just like her husband. Why would you be that callous to wear such an article of clothing, while visiting children forced from their parents, because of your husband, then smile in the faces of those children? So fake. [Edited 6/21/18 20:01pm]

seems she wore it onto the plane in reaction to media stuff

she had a different jacket on when she got off the plain

.

It was silly. and the media reacting to it is silly.

Our society because of cyberspace is all on reactive living now

When dealing with these absolutely dangerous pigs, it ALL matters.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #154 posted 06/22/18 6:48pm

seekingtruth

deebee said:

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gettyimages-973077552.jpg


Nearly 2,000 children have been separated from their families at the US border since the start of the Trump administration's new “zero tolerance” policy on illegal immigration, according to new figures from the Department of Homeland Security.


Source: https://www.independent.c...01526.html

- - -

Certainly, the cruelties of immigration control are nothing new, and nor are they exclusive to Republican Presidents. The inhumanity of this latest drive still deserves condemnation, nonetheless, especially given the chilling 'God on our side' defence offered by Sessions and Huckabee Sanders. What a scary bunch of bastards.

I think it is a profound affirmation of the truth that exists that the picture used in this post is of a little girl and a mother who have now been confirmed to not be separated.

There is so much misinformation on this topic it is not even funny.

IF there is an increase in the number of children separated from their parents, it is because the law is actually being followed and people commiting crimes are being incarcerated. Since the children cannot go to jail with the parents, we unfortunately have to do something with them.

This is the same old neglecting of the personal accountability by the left. If the parents don't want to have their kids separated from them......they need to not do things that will send them to jail. Not a horribly oblivious thought....

True genius is knowing how little
you really know.
Reply #155 posted 06/22/18 6:50pm

seekingtruth

SoulAlive said:

jjhunsecker said:

SoulAlive said: It's pretty clear that Trump and his minions consider non-White people to be lesser beings. That's why all his supporters should be questioned about whether they accept this world view or not. If they don't separate themselves from this type of rhetoric, they should not be upset if they are tagged as bigots and racists

Exactly nod

What should be questioned are all the ignorant people who still don't know that "Animals" comment was not about immigrants, it was about MS-13.

Do you REALLY not know that?

True genius is knowing how little
you really know.
Reply #156 posted 06/22/18 8:39pm

jjhunsecker

seekingtruth said:

 



SoulAlive said:


 



jjhunsecker said:


SoulAlive said: It's pretty clear that Trump and his minions consider non-White people to be lesser beings. That's why all his supporters should be questioned about whether they accept this world view or not. If they don't separate themselves from this type of rhetoric, they should not be upset if they are tagged as bigots and racists

 


Exactly  nod  



 


 


What should be questioned are all the ignorant people who still don't know that "Animals" comment was not about immigrants, it was about MS-13.


 


Do you REALLY not know that?



Even if you believe that, how do you explain the numerous other bigoted statements uttered by Trump?
Reply #157 posted 06/22/18 8:41pm

13cjk13

seekingtruth said:

SoulAlive said:

Exactly nod

What should be questioned are all the ignorant people who still don't know that "Animals" comment was not about immigrants, it was about MS-13.

Do you REALLY not know that?

MS-13 the new right wing boogeyman that Trump has absolutely now idea about. What a sick bunch of fucks these right wing monsters are. Oh, and Trump is so well spoken and so full of brilliant comments that it really is wondrous that people would misconstrue the absolute bile that spews from his disgusting mouth.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #158 posted 06/22/18 8:44pm

13cjk13

jjhunsecker said:

seekingtruth said:

What should be questioned are all the ignorant people who still don't know that "Animals" comment was not about immigrants, it was about MS-13.

Do you REALLY not know that?

Even if you believe that, how do you explain the numerous other bigoted statements uttered by Trump?

The masters of distraction and deception glom onto one thing and keep ramming it down our throats. They're doing it now with the 2014 picture of 2 unaccompanied minors that they are selling as Obama being as bad as trump. It's all they've got. Sick stuff.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #159 posted 06/23/18 4:31am

CherryMoon57

seekingtruth said:

deebee said:

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gettyimages-973077552.jpg


Nearly 2,000 children have been separated from their families at the US border since the start of the Trump administration's new “zero tolerance” policy on illegal immigration, according to new figures from the Department of Homeland Security.


Source: https://www.independent.c...01526.html

- - -

Certainly, the cruelties of immigration control are nothing new, and nor are they exclusive to Republican Presidents. The inhumanity of this latest drive still deserves condemnation, nonetheless, especially given the chilling 'God on our side' defence offered by Sessions and Huckabee Sanders. What a scary bunch of bastards.

I think it is a profound affirmation of the truth that exists that the picture used in this post is of a little girl and a mother who have now been confirmed to not be separated.

There is so much misinformation on this topic it is not even funny.

IF there is an increase in the number of children separated from their parents, it is because the law is actually being followed and people commiting crimes are being incarcerated. Since the children cannot go to jail with the parents, we unfortunately have to do something with them.

This is the same old neglecting of the personal accountability by the left. If the parents don't want to have their kids separated from them......they need to not do things that will send them to jail. Not a horribly oblivious thought....


Many of these families have actually proven to be genuine asylum seekers and therefore were not breaking the law. They are not criminals, and regardless it is still morally WRONG to take their children away from them just because they are seeking better lives. The law is wrong in considering such people criminals. I was once sent back to the UK after an 11 hour flight to the States, just because my passport (newly issued by the French Consulate in London) was not numerical. Was my passport valid? Yes, it was brand new. Was I a criminal? Not in the slightest. Yet the immigration officers treated me like a piece of dirt and detained me for four hours, then sent me back on the next flight. Was I even seeking asylum? Not at all, I was on holiday coming to visit an old friend in Arizona. He had driven a long way to collect me from the airport and I was not even allowed to go and tell him what was happening. YES they are THAT cruel. What you must understand here is that the people in power are not on ANY people's side. They are guided by politics, hatred and ignorance not intelligence or love and just stupidly apply the rules without taking ANY circumstances into account. Anyone who applies rules without thinking is dangerous. This is not fake news, this is real. Wake up!

[Edited 6/23/18 4:40am]

Reply #160 posted 06/23/18 7:01am

13cjk13

CherryMoon57 said:

seekingtruth said:

I think it is a profound affirmation of the truth that exists that the picture used in this post is of a little girl and a mother who have now been confirmed to not be separated.

There is so much misinformation on this topic it is not even funny.

IF there is an increase in the number of children separated from their parents, it is because the law is actually being followed and people commiting crimes are being incarcerated. Since the children cannot go to jail with the parents, we unfortunately have to do something with them.

This is the same old neglecting of the personal accountability by the left. If the parents don't want to have their kids separated from them......they need to not do things that will send them to jail. Not a horribly oblivious thought....


Many of these families have actually proven to be genuine asylum seekers and therefore were not breaking the law. They are not criminals, and regardless it is still morally WRONG to take their children away from them just because they are seeking better lives. The law is wrong in considering such people criminals. I was once sent back to the UK after an 11 hour flight to the States, just because my passport (newly issued by the French Consulate in London) was not numerical. Was my passport valid? Yes, it was brand new. Was I a criminal? Not in the slightest. Yet the immigration officers treated me like a piece of dirt and detained me for four hours, then sent me back on the next flight. Was I even seeking asylum? Not at all, I was on holiday coming to visit an old friend in Arizona. He had driven a long way to collect me from the airport and I was not even allowed to go and tell him what was happening. YES they are THAT cruel. What you must understand here is that the people in power are not on ANY people's side. They are guided by politics, hatred and ignorance not intelligence or love and just stupidly apply the rules without taking ANY circumstances into account. Anyone who applies rules without thinking is dangerous. This is not fake news, this is real. Wake up!

[Edited 6/23/18 4:40am]

yeahthat

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #161 posted 06/23/18 8:03am

OnlyNDaUsa

CherryMoon57 said:

seekingtruth said:

I think it is a profound affirmation of the truth that exists that the picture used in this post is of a little girl and a mother who have now been confirmed to not be separated.

There is so much misinformation on this topic it is not even funny.

IF there is an increase in the number of children separated from their parents, it is because the law is actually being followed and people commiting crimes are being incarcerated. Since the children cannot go to jail with the parents, we unfortunately have to do something with them.

This is the same old neglecting of the personal accountability by the left. If the parents don't want to have their kids separated from them......they need to not do things that will send them to jail. Not a horribly oblivious thought....


Many of these families have actually proven to be genuine asylum seekers and therefore were not breaking the law. They are not criminals, and regardless it is still morally WRONG to take their children away from them just because they are seeking better lives. The law is wrong in considering such people criminals. I was once sent back to the UK after an 11 hour flight to the States, just because my passport (newly issued by the French Consulate in London) was not numerical. Was my passport valid? Yes, it was brand new. Was I a criminal? Not in the slightest. Yet the immigration officers treated me like a piece of dirt and detained me for four hours, then sent me back on the next flight. Was I even seeking asylum? Not at all, I was on holiday coming to visit an old friend in Arizona. He had driven a long way to collect me from the airport and I was not even allowed to go and tell him what was happening. YES they are THAT cruel. What you must understand here is that the people in power are not on ANY people's side. They are guided by politics, hatred and ignorance not intelligence or love and just stupidly apply the rules without taking ANY circumstances into account. Anyone who applies rules without thinking is dangerous. This is not fake news, this is real. Wake up!

[Edited 6/23/18 4:40am]

then they should have saught it in Mexico.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #162 posted 06/23/18 8:50am

2freaky4church1

You are embarrassing yourself Only.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #163 posted 06/23/18 9:12am

OnlyNDaUsa

2freaky4church1 said:

You are embarrassing yourself Only.

no, that is a fact, if they were actually in danger then why not seek it in Mexico? If Mexico is a good country they would be happy to take them no?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #164 posted 06/23/18 9:15am

2freaky4church1

No, we should take them because they are great people, unlike the dirtbags who support Orange Hitler.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #165 posted 06/23/18 12:10pm

DiminutiveRocker

seekingtruth said:

deebee said:

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gettyimages-973077552.jpg


Nearly 2,000 children have been separated from their families at the US border since the start of the Trump administration's new “zero tolerance” policy on illegal immigration, according to new figures from the Department of Homeland Security.


Source: https://www.independent.c...01526.html

- - -

Certainly, the cruelties of immigration control are nothing new, and nor are they exclusive to Republican Presidents. The inhumanity of this latest drive still deserves condemnation, nonetheless, especially given the chilling 'God on our side' defence offered by Sessions and Huckabee Sanders. What a scary bunch of bastards.

I think it is a profound affirmation of the truth that exists that the picture used in this post is of a little girl and a mother who have now been confirmed to not be separated.

There is so much misinformation on this topic it is not even funny.

IF there is an increase in the number of children separated from their parents, it is because the law is actually being followed and people commiting crimes are being incarcerated. Since the children cannot go to jail with the parents, we unfortunately have to do something with them.

This is the same old neglecting of the personal accountability by the left. If the parents don't want to have their kids separated from them......they need to not do things that will send them to jail. Not a horribly oblivious thought....


Seeking aslyum in our country - trekking 2000 miles to make a better life for yourself and your children is a crime? OK, let's say so - it is a misdemeanor. Usually it means giving up your wallet and personal effects which you have returned to you once released. Taking away your child with no plan to return them to you? How can that make sense? It doesn't - it is simply wrong.



[Edited 6/23/18 12:11pm]

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #166 posted 06/23/18 2:16pm

Purplestar88

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

poppys said: That shows how fake she is just like her husband. Why would you be that callous to wear such an article of clothing, while visiting children forced from their parents, because of your husband, then smile in the faces of those children? So fake. [Edited 6/21/18 20:01pm]

seems she wore it onto the plane in reaction to media stuff

she had a different jacket on when she got off the plain

.

It was silly. and the media reacting to it is silly.

Our society because of cyberspace is all on reactive living now

She is out of order no matter what or who she was sending a message too. On the surface one would think it's just a cool jacket for fashion but with her and her husband every thing they do is fake. They don't like the media that won't kiss their asses. And they don't want any media to question them. Why are they mad at the media when the media is one of the reason they are in office. All he can do is talk about illegals this and immigration that trying to use those things as a scapegoat to for America problems. He is lucky he did get the mess that Obama go. Both Trump and his wife is out of order.

Reply #167 posted 06/23/18 3:05pm

13cjk13

2freaky4church1 said:

No, we should take them because they are great people, unlike the dirtbags who support Orange Hitler.

I'd gladly trade them for disgusting, garbage Trump supporters.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #168 posted 06/23/18 3:19pm

IanRG

seekingtruth said:

deebee said:

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gettyimages-973077552.jpg


Nearly 2,000 children have been separated from their families at the US border since the start of the Trump administration's new “zero tolerance” policy on illegal immigration, according to new figures from the Department of Homeland Security.


Source: https://www.independent.c...01526.html

- - -

Certainly, the cruelties of immigration control are nothing new, and nor are they exclusive to Republican Presidents. The inhumanity of this latest drive still deserves condemnation, nonetheless, especially given the chilling 'God on our side' defence offered by Sessions and Huckabee Sanders. What a scary bunch of bastards.

I think it is a profound affirmation of the truth that exists that the picture used in this post is of a little girl and a mother who have now been confirmed to not be separated.

There is so much misinformation on this topic it is not even funny.

IF there is an increase in the number of children separated from their parents, it is because the law is actually being followed and people commiting crimes are being incarcerated. Since the children cannot go to jail with the parents, we unfortunately have to do something with them.

This is the same old neglecting of the personal accountability by the left. If the parents don't want to have their kids separated from them......they need to not do things that will send them to jail. Not a horribly oblivious thought....

.

The picture in the article is not tagged as you imagine, it does not say the picture is of one of the 2,000 - It is the other pictures in the article of the children in cages that show the profound and undeniable truth.

.

The profound affirmation of the truth is that it is undeniable that the processes being used are cruel and evil to the point that Trump has made moves to distance himself from them once the outrage became public.

.

What is horrible is that you still don't understand people who are refugees are escaping worse things than the chance of being separated for indeterminant periods. It is in how we treat those most downtrodden that we are judged, not how desperate the downtrodden have been made before they arrive seeking relief.

Reply #169 posted 06/23/18 3:21pm

jjhunsecker

13cjk13 said:

 



2freaky4church1 said:


  No, we should take them because they are great people, unlike the dirtbags who support Orange Hitler.  



I'd gladly trade them for disgusting, garbage Trump supporters.



Exactly. And protecting my wife and child from harm takes precedence over any country's laws.
Reply #170 posted 06/23/18 3:32pm

13cjk13

IanRG said:

seekingtruth said:

I think it is a profound affirmation of the truth that exists that the picture used in this post is of a little girl and a mother who have now been confirmed to not be separated.

There is so much misinformation on this topic it is not even funny.

IF there is an increase in the number of children separated from their parents, it is because the law is actually being followed and people commiting crimes are being incarcerated. Since the children cannot go to jail with the parents, we unfortunately have to do something with them.

This is the same old neglecting of the personal accountability by the left. If the parents don't want to have their kids separated from them......they need to not do things that will send them to jail. Not a horribly oblivious thought....

.

The picture in the article is not tagged as you imagine, it does not say the picture is of one of the 2,000 - It is the other pictures in the article of the children in cages that show the profound and undeniable truth.

.

The profound affirmation of the truth is that it is undeniable that the processes being used are cruel and evil to the point that Trump has made moves to distance himself from them once the outrage became public.

.

What is horrible is that you still don't understand people who are refugees are escaping worse things than the chance of being separated for indeterminant periods. It is in how we treat those most downtrodden that we are judged, not how desperate the downtrodden have been made before they arrive seeking relief.

yeahthat

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #171 posted 06/24/18 1:03pm

PennyPurple

They started deporting some of the adults but their children are still being detained? WTH. Give them their kids back.

Reply #172 posted 06/24/18 2:21pm

deebee

seekingtruth said:

deebee said:

.
gettyimages-973077552.jpg


Nearly 2,000 children have been separated from their families at the US border since the start of the Trump administration's new “zero tolerance” policy on illegal immigration, according to new figures from the Department of Homeland Security.


Source: https://www.independent.c...01526.html

- - -

Certainly, the cruelties of immigration control are nothing new, and nor are they exclusive to Republican Presidents. The inhumanity of this latest drive still deserves condemnation, nonetheless, especially given the chilling 'God on our side' defence offered by Sessions and Huckabee Sanders. What a scary bunch of bastards.

I think it is a profound affirmation of the truth that exists that the picture used in this post is of a little girl and a mother who have now been confirmed to not be separated.

There is so much misinformation on this topic it is not even funny.

IF there is an increase in the number of children separated from their parents, it is because the law is actually being followed and people commiting crimes are being incarcerated. Since the children cannot go to jail with the parents, we unfortunately have to do something with them.

This is the same old neglecting of the personal accountability by the left. If the parents don't want to have their kids separated from them......they need to not do things that will send them to jail. Not a horribly oblivious thought....

I don't really see grasping for a technicality about a news photograph as demonstrating anythine "profound", tbh. There have been plenty images of children being held in cages, and statistics that indicate the scale of the issue. And, despite talk of "misinformation", I don't see those truths being contested anywhere in the post. Likewise, there's no "IF" about the increase in numbers, unless you have good reason to believe that the DHS is faking them. It all sounds suspiciously like a reluctance to acknowledge the facts.

Clutching for the comfort of an ethic of "personal responsibility" in a situation like this seems almost like one of those Harry Harlow monkeys cleaving desperately to its ragged ersatz 'mother' to hide from the disturbing presence it has encountered. It seems tragically inadequate. Personal responsibility applies only to the extent that meaningful choices are available to an individual in a particular situation; otherwise, it's just a ploy by the fortunate to rationalise their own engendered privilege by spuriously attempting to pass off their more auspicious lot as the fruit of their own 'superior' personal decisions. We're talking about people running from desperate situations here. You're in no position to sit in judgment at least until you know what fate was awaiting their children had they stayed.

And we can all invoke the sanctity of law. But the Christian tradition gives us plenty to contest that Pharisaical rationality. Law exists to protect human life or it has no legitimacy. When it lacks that legitimacy, we should, in Pauline terms, be faithful not to the letter of the law but to its spirit, "for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life", as it were.

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"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #173 posted 06/25/18 12:24am

Dancelot

^^hook, line and sinker

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Reply #174 posted 06/25/18 12:39am

Dancelot

OnlyNDaUsa said:

CherryMoon57 said:


Many of these families have actually proven to be genuine asylum seekers and therefore were not breaking the law. They are not criminals, and regardless it is still morally WRONG to take their children away from them just because they are seeking better lives. The law is wrong in considering such people criminals. I was once sent back to the UK after an 11 hour flight to the States, just because my passport (newly issued by the French Consulate in London) was not numerical. Was my passport valid? Yes, it was brand new. Was I a criminal? Not in the slightest. Yet the immigration officers treated me like a piece of dirt and detained me for four hours, then sent me back on the next flight. Was I even seeking asylum? Not at all, I was on holiday coming to visit an old friend in Arizona. He had driven a long way to collect me from the airport and I was not even allowed to go and tell him what was happening. YES they are THAT cruel. What you must understand here is that the people in power are not on ANY people's side. They are guided by politics, hatred and ignorance not intelligence or love and just stupidly apply the rules without taking ANY circumstances into account. Anyone who applies rules without thinking is dangerous. This is not fake news, this is real. Wake up!

then they should have saught it in Mexico.

your opinion is just as insignificant as it stinks.

and I say they should have sought it in the USA. touche. and now? lol



so let's talk facts instead of opinions:
in the European Union we have that Dublin regulation which says the responsible state will be the state where the asylum seeker first entered the EU. but that is the EU. last time I checked the US was not an EU member

so in North America? which law exactly says they have to seek it in Mexico? please do tell... eek


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Reply #175 posted 06/25/18 5:26am

OldFriends4Sale

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

2freaky4church1 said:

You are embarrassing yourself Only.

no, that is a fact, if they were actually in danger then why not seek it in Mexico? If Mexico is a good country they would be happy to take them no?

That brings up the question, of what is wrong/what is happening in these other countries.

.

There is a gray area of discussion that needs to be had. Like people who are pro abortion vs pro life, well what about pro prevention, that will handle both sides.

.
Mexico and these Central American countries need to be made accountable.

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Reply #176 posted 06/25/18 6:07am

DiminutiveRocker

To date:


2053 children have been separated from parents.

Our government has no idea which kids belong with which parents. There is no plan to reunite families.

disbelief

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #177 posted 06/25/18 6:37am

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

To date:


2053 children have been separated from parents.

Our government has no idea which kids belong with which parents. There is no plan to reunite families.

disbelief

disbelief I think there are more. The numbers they keep using only go to June 9, from what they told us. CBS this morning - they had no plan when they started No Tolerance. And they confirmed this -

PennyPurple said:

They started deporting some of the adults but their children are still being detained? WTH. Give them their kids back.


They are asking for 2 more tent detention centers on Texas military bases. You know, the ones that cost $775.00 per person per night. We could send every kid to college for that. Private contractors are RAKING IT IN. Follow the $$.

Reply #178 posted 06/25/18 6:45am

13cjk13

OldFriends4Sale said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

no, that is a fact, if they were actually in danger then why not seek it in Mexico? If Mexico is a good country they would be happy to take them no?

That brings up the question, of what is wrong/what is happening in these other countries.

.

There is a gray area of discussion that needs to be had. Like people who are pro abortion vs pro life, well what about pro prevention, that will handle both sides.

.
Mexico and these Central American countries need to be made accountable.

And The United States should be made accountable for their complicity in the problems in these Central American countries. History can be very inconvenient for your average self righteous, unaware, selfish, "christian" American. Sad but true.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #179 posted 06/25/18 7:16am

poppys

13cjk13 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That brings up the question, of what is wrong/what is happening in these other countries.

.

There is a gray area of discussion that needs to be had. Like people who are pro abortion vs pro life, well what about pro prevention, that will handle both sides.

.
Mexico and these Central American countries need to be made accountable.


And The United States should be made accountable for their complicity in the problems in these Central American countries. History can be very inconvenient for your average self righteous, unaware, selfish, "christian" American. Sad but true.

nod Blame the victim instead of the violence being done to them.


And now OrangeTrash is trying to make immigration itself illegal by abolishing due process before a judge, treating those arriving as criminals and shipping them back immediately.

Reply #180 posted 06/25/18 7:19am

2elijah

poppys said:

 



DiminutiveRocker said:


To date:


2053 children have been separated from parents.


 


Our government has no idea which kids belong with which parents. There is no plan to reunite families.

disbelief

 



disbelief I think there are more. The numbers they keep using only go to June 9, from what they told us. CBS this morning - they had no plan when they started No Tolerance. And they confirmed this - 

PennyPurple said:





They started deporting some of the adults but their children are still being detained? WTH. Give them their kids back.





They are asking for 2 more tent detention centers on Texas military bases. You know, the ones that cost $775.00 per person per night. We could send every kid to college for that. Private contractors are RAKING IT IN. Follow the $$. 


Yes poppy. You hit it right on the nose. Profiting from these babies just like our prison system, and trump is approving this. He is basically kidnapping those kids by refusing to return them to their parents, and sending the parents back without their kids. He is doing this horrible tactic to appease his base to show he is tough on immigration. He basically approved stealing children from other countries and holding them hostage. How is it that he could get away with doing this, without other countries not seeing this as a crime? Like I said from the start this immigration issue is about the fear of the browning of America. But no matter how much trump and a specific segment of his supporters think the immigration issue or the wall will prevent America from turning brown, it will not. It is already happening and will continue.

I really think trump, his administration and a specific portion of trumps’ supporters want the days of slavery back. I doubt seriously that today’s Black and Brown population will lay down and allow that to happen. What all this is going to do is bring the Black and Brown together and stronger at the voting booth, because now many non-Black minorities are finally realizing America’s racism is not just towards Blacks, but towards many people of color in this country.
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Reply #181 posted 06/25/18 7:38am

2elijah

13cjk13 said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 



OnlyNDaUsa said:


 


 


 


no, that is a fact, if they were actually in danger then why not seek it in Mexico?  If Mexico is a good country they would be happy to take them no?  



 


 


That brings up the question, of what is wrong/what is happening in these other countries.


.


There is a gray area of discussion that needs to be had. Like people who are pro abortion vs pro life, well what about pro prevention, that will handle both sides.


.
Mexico and these Central American countries need to be made accountable.



And The United States should be made accountable for their complicity in the problems in these Central American countries. History can be very inconvenient for your average self righteous, unaware, selfish, "christian" American. Sad but true.


Absolutely. clapping
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Reply #182 posted 06/25/18 7:48am

poppys

2elijah said:

poppys said:

disbelief I think there are more. The numbers they keep using only go to June 9, from what they told us. CBS this morning - they had no plan when they started No Tolerance. And they confirmed this -

PennyPurple said:

They started deporting some of the adults but their children are still being detained? WTH. Give them their kids back.


They are asking for 2 more tent detention centers on Texas military bases. You know, the ones that cost $775.00 per person per night. We could send every kid to college for that. Private contractors are RAKING IT IN. Follow the $$.


Yes poppy. You hit it right on the nose. Profiting from these babies just like our prison system, and trump is approving this. He is basically kidnapping those kids by refusing to return them to their parents, and sending the parents back without their kids. He is doing this horrible tactic to appease his base to show he is tough on immigration. He basically approved stealing children from other countries and holding them hostage. How is it that he could get away with doing this, without other countries not seeing this as a crime. Like I said from the start this immigration issue is about the fear of the browning of America.


Yep. These people and especially their children are Political Prisoners. They separated a 3 yr old whose grandmother was legally applying for asylum. She had full legal guardianship papers (raised the child) which were ignored. They don't know where she is.

Even after Katrina when Latinos came to work the disaster, wearing hazmat suits (or not), cleaning stuff NO ONE else would, we had blowback. One politician said - How does taco help gumbo? Face Palm. Thankfully, he went to jail for embezzling money after that - many do here, indiscriminately. And here's the kicker, he was not white either. Just an asshole politician trying to divide people who lost so much already.

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Reply #183 posted 06/25/18 11:31am

poppys

2elijah said:

poppys said:

disbelief I think there are more. The numbers they keep using only go to June 9, from what they told us. CBS this morning - they had no plan when they started No Tolerance. And they confirmed this -

PennyPurple said:

They started deporting some of the adults but their children are still being detained? WTH. Give them their kids back.


They are asking for 2 more tent detention centers on Texas military bases. You know, the ones that cost $775.00 per person per night. We could send every kid to college for that. Private contractors are RAKING IT IN. Follow the $$.

Yes poppy. You hit it right on the nose. Profiting from these babies just like our prison system, and trump is approving this. He is basically kidnapping those kids by refusing to return them to their parents, and sending the parents back without their kids. He is doing this horrible tactic to appease his base to show he is tough on immigration. He basically approved stealing children from other countries and holding them hostage. How is it that he could get away with doing this, without other countries not seeing this as a crime? Like I said from the start this immigration issue is about the fear of the browning of America. But no matter how much trump and a specific segment of his supporters think the immigration issue or the wall will prevent America from turning brown, it will not. It is already happening and will continue. I really think trump, his administration and a specific portion of trumps’ supporters want the days of slavery back. I doubt seriously that today’s Black and Brown population will lay down and allow that to happen. What all this is going to do is bring the Black and Brown together and stronger at the voting booth, because now many non-Black minorities are finally realizing America’s racism is not just towards Blacks, but towards many people of color in this country.


And hopefully White Women. You know, the ones who bore children and have grandchildren... Why are they not held accountable for this Trump travesty? I am ashamed to be one. I live in a majority black city. Why would I want to discount/not include - my neighbors? WW's are the voter third rail and they need to stop getting/giving themselves a pass.

Reply #184 posted 06/25/18 11:42am

maplenpg

poppys said:

13cjk13 said:


And The United States should be made accountable for their complicity in the problems in these Central American countries. History can be very inconvenient for your average self righteous, unaware, selfish, "christian" American. Sad but true.

nod Blame the victim instead of the violence being done to them.


And now OrangeTrash is trying to make immigration itself illegal by abolishing due process before a judge, treating those arriving as criminals and shipping them back immediately.

Yup - The language in that tweet was disgusting. Expected, but vile nonetheless.

[Edited 6/25/18 11:43am]

It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
Reply #185 posted 06/25/18 2:34pm

2freaky4church1

Cover of the year:



[Pic tooo way ass biiig for bandwidth - luv4u]

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #186 posted 06/25/18 3:12pm

2elijah

poppys said:

 



2elijah said:


poppys said:

 


disbelief I think there are more. The numbers they keep using only go to June 9, from what they told us. CBS this morning - they had no plan when they started No Tolerance. And they confirmed this - 

PennyPurple said:





They started deporting some of the adults but their children are still being detained? WTH. Give them their kids back.





They are asking for 2 more tent detention centers on Texas military bases. You know, the ones that cost $775.00 per person per night. We could send every kid to college for that. Private contractors are RAKING IT IN. Follow the $$. 



Yes poppy. You hit it right on the nose. Profiting from these babies just like our prison system, and trump is approving this. He is basically kidnapping those kids by refusing to return them to their parents, and sending the parents back without their kids. He is doing this horrible tactic to appease his base to show he is tough on immigration. He basically approved stealing children from other countries and holding them hostage. How is it that he could get away with doing this, without other countries not seeing this as a crime? Like I said from the start this immigration issue is about the fear of the browning of America. But no matter how much trump and a specific segment of his supporters think the immigration issue or the wall will prevent America from turning brown, it will not. It is already happening and will continue. I really think trump, his administration and a specific portion of trumps’ supporters want the days of slavery back. I doubt seriously that today’s Black and Brown population will lay down and allow that to happen. What all this is going to do is bring the Black and Brown together and stronger at the voting booth, because now many non-Black minorities are finally realizing America’s racism is not just towards Blacks, but towards many people of color in this country.
 


And hopefully White Women. You know, the ones who bore children and have grandchildren... Why are they not held accountable for this Trump travesty? I am ashamed to be one. I live in a majority black city. Why would I want to discount/not include - my neighbors? WW's are the voter third rail and they need to stop getting/giving themselves a pass. 



Yes it’s sad. He doesn’t even respect many White women. Not sure why so many voted for him.Did they fall for his false charisma? Were they intrigued the he is wealthy and had a reality show? They should have done their research.
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Reply #187 posted 06/25/18 5:59pm

jjhunsecker

2elijah said:

poppys said:

 



2elijah said:


poppys said:

 


disbelief I think there are more. The numbers they keep using only go to June 9, from what they told us. CBS this morning - they had no plan when they started No Tolerance. And they confirmed this - 

PennyPurple said:





They started deporting some of the adults but their children are still being detained? WTH. Give them their kids back.





They are asking for 2 more tent detention centers on Texas military bases. You know, the ones that cost $775.00 per person per night. We could send every kid to college for that. Private contractors are RAKING IT IN. Follow the $$. 



Yes poppy. You hit it right on the nose. Profiting from these babies just like our prison system, and trump is approving this. He is basically kidnapping those kids by refusing to return them to their parents, and sending the parents back without their kids. He is doing this horrible tactic to appease his base to show he is tough on immigration. He basically approved stealing children from other countries and holding them hostage. How is it that he could get away with doing this, without other countries not seeing this as a crime? Like I said from the start this immigration issue is about the fear of the browning of America. But no matter how much trump and a specific segment of his supporters think the immigration issue or the wall will prevent America from turning brown, it will not. It is already happening and will continue. I really think trump, his administration and a specific portion of trumps’ supporters want the days of slavery back. I doubt seriously that today’s Black and Brown population will lay down and allow that to happen. What all this is going to do is bring the Black and Brown together and stronger at the voting booth, because now many non-Black minorities are finally realizing America’s racism is not just towards Blacks, but towards many people of color in this country.
 


And hopefully White Women. You know, the ones who bore children and have grandchildren... Why are they not held accountable for this Trump travesty? I am ashamed to be one. I live in a majority black city. Why would I want to discount/not include - my neighbors? WW's are the voter third rail and they need to stop getting/giving themselves a pass. 



Yes it’s sad. He doesn’t even respect many White women. Not sure why so many voted for him.Did they fall for his false charisma? Were they intrigued the he is wealthy and had a reality show? They should have done their research.
[Edited 6/25/18 15:12pm]


Many have said that they voted as " White" and not as "Women "
Reply #188 posted 06/25/18 6:31pm

poppys

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:
Yes it’s sad. He doesn’t even respect many White women. Not sure why so many voted for him.Did they fall for his false charisma? Were they intrigued the he is wealthy and had a reality show? They should have done their research. [Edited 6/25/18 15:12pm]

Many have said that they voted as " White" and not as "Women "


I can't understand it. Makes me really uncomfortable. They must love living in white enclaves (thanks Jim Crow). Another great white idea that has perpetuated racial division for an extra 100+ years. Guess they expect their children to do the same. That's not reality. That has never been reality. They are betting on the wrong horse. The future population is not whiter whites, ladies.

Reply #189 posted 06/26/18 6:39am

poppys

Did y'all see this??? Reminds me of using prisoners for medical guinea pigs. shake

https://www.sfgate.com/ne...023594.php

...While in detention, the government regularly places the minors on multiple antidepressants, anti-anxiety and other psychotropic medications without telling them what the drugs are or consulting their parents, the lawyers said. If they refuse, they are told they will be denied release or privileges, or they are forcibly fed the drugs, they said.

Reply #190 posted 06/26/18 8:11am

jjhunsecker

poppys said:

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:
Many have said that they voted as " White" and not as "Women "


I can't understand it. Makes me really uncomfortable. They must love living in white enclaves (thanks Jim Crow). Another great white idea that has perpetuated racial division for an extra 100+ years. Guess they expect their children to do the same. That's not reality. That has never been reality. They are betting on the wrong horse. The future population is not whiter whites, ladies.

They saw Trump as the one who would preserve "White Privilege" for them and their family. Obviously that was more important than seeing a woman advance in society

Reply #191 posted 06/26/18 9:08am

deebee

Good article in Jacobin.


"For too long has the United States felt free to help lay waste to entire countries and skimped on cleaning up the mess. If an internationalist left is good for anything, its task must be to reverse both."

https://www.jacobinmag.co...y-cold-war

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #192 posted 06/26/18 10:29am

2freaky4church1

Deebee, check out Current Affairs mag

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #193 posted 06/26/18 10:36am

poppys

deebee said:

Good article in Jacobin.


"For too long has the United States felt free to help lay waste to entire countries and skimped on cleaning up the mess. If an internationalist left is good for anything, its task must be to reverse both."

https://www.jacobinmag.co...y-cold-war


Exactly. But I don't see anyone here saying it all started with Trump, The point is he has escalated it to the point of harming children the minute they get here - on purpose - with no other plan.

Reply #194 posted 06/26/18 11:24am

deebee

2freaky4church1 said:

Deebee, check out Current Affairs mag

thumbs up! I've read a couple of things from CA that were good. Nathan J. Robinson's critique of Lobster Boy was excellent - the most effective of the ones I've read - and he followed it up with another smart article on how to engage with such people. (Although, I have to say, that the article Robinson slates, and a follow-up interview about it, were quite revealing in attesting to Jordy's more loony, messianic side.)

Any other articles particularly worth a read?

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #195 posted 06/26/18 3:15pm

2freaky4church1

His defense of SJWs. The story about the term, "The West."

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #196 posted 06/26/18 5:40pm

DiminutiveRocker

poppys said:

deebee said:

Good article in Jacobin.


"For too long has the United States felt free to help lay waste to entire countries and skimped on cleaning up the mess. If an internationalist left is good for anything, its task must be to reverse both."

https://www.jacobinmag.co...y-cold-war


Exactly. But I don't see anyone here saying it all started with Trump, The point is he has escalated it to the point of harming children the minute they get here - on purpose - with no other plan.


Yeah that ^ it's part of The Make America White Again campaign.... based on = FEAR

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #197 posted 06/27/18 6:46am

DiminutiveRocker

Federal Judge in California Halts Splitting of Migrant Families at Border


WASHINGTON — A federal judge in California issued a nationwide injunction late Tuesday temporarily stopping the Trump administration from separating children from their parents at the border and ordered that all families already separated be reunited within 30 days.

Judge Dana M. Sabraw of the Federal District Court in San Diego said children under 5 must be reunited with their parents within 14 days, and he ordered that all children must be allowed to talk to their parents within 10 days.

“The unfortunate reality is that under the present system, migrant children are not accounted for with the same efficiency and accuracy as property,” the judge wrote.

Judge Sabraw’s order, which is likely to prompt a high-profile legal battle with the Justice Department, came on the same day that President Trump won a landmark legal victory when the Supreme Court upheld his travel ban, ending a 17-month legal fight.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...2792650627

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #198 posted 06/27/18 7:01am

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

Federal Judge in California Halts Splitting of Migrant Families at Border

WASHINGTON — A federal judge in California issued a nationwide injunction late Tuesday temporarily stopping the Trump administration from separating children from their parents at the border and ordered that all families already separated be reunited within 30 days.

Judge Dana M. Sabraw of the Federal District Court in San Diego said children under 5 must be reunited with their parents within 14 days, and he ordered that all children must be allowed to talk to their parents within 10 days.


“The unfortunate reality is that under the present system, migrant children are not accounted for with the same efficiency and accuracy as property,” the judge wrote.

Judge Sabraw’s order, which is likely to prompt a high-profile legal battle with the Justice Department, came on the same day that President Trump won a landmark legal victory when the Supreme Court upheld his travel ban, ending a 17-month legal fight.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...2792650627


The bolded statement is absolutely chilling, draws a line that needs to be drawn.

Reply #199 posted 06/27/18 8:35am

2elijah

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:



Yes it’s sad. He doesn’t even respect many White women. Not sure why so many voted for him.Did they fall for his false charisma? Were they intrigued the he is wealthy and had a reality show? They should have done their research.
[Edited 6/25/18 15:12pm]


Many have said that they voted as " White" and not as "Women "

Seems that was the reason.
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Reply #200 posted 06/27/18 8:39am

2elijah

poppys said:

Did y'all see this??? Reminds me of using prisoners for medical guinea pigs. shake 

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Immigrant-kids-are-forcibly-medicated-in-custody-13023594.php

...While in detention, the government regularly places the minors on multiple antidepressants, anti-anxiety and other psychotropic medications without telling them what the drugs are or consulting their parents, the lawyers said. If they refuse, they are told they will be denied release or privileges, or they are forcibly fed the drugs, they said.


That’s exactly what I wondered about, when they wouldn’t allow anyone from the media in, especially to see and find out where the girls were. I wondered if they were giving them some kind of drugs. This country has a bad and long history of using people of color as guinea pigs.
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Reply #201 posted 06/27/18 8:49am

2elijah

jjhunsecker said:

 



poppys said:


 



jjhunsecker said:


2elijah said:
Many have said that they voted as " White" and not as "Women "



I can't understand it. Makes me really uncomfortable. They must love living in white enclaves (thanks Jim Crow). Another great white idea that has perpetuated racial division for an extra 100+ years. Guess they expect their children to do the same. That's not reality. That has never been reality. They are betting on the wrong horse. The future population is not whiter whites, ladies



 


They saw Trump as the one who would preserve "White Privilege" for them and their family. Obviously that was more important than seeing a woman advance in society 


Exactly. That’s why he uses the race card, and use Mexican immigrants, legal or illegal, as bait to blame them for crime in America, which is a bs lie. It’s his alarm for his white supporters to create fear in them, and lie to them about their opportunities being stolen by immigrants of color. His immigration issue is to keep more ’Brown and Black’ out of America. He wants the racial division to keep America more White. Many of his White supporters fell for his message, yet are being bamboozled, because no wall will keep America from becoming more Brown, no matter what s trump feeds them. He is feeding his supporters his own insecurities and fear of losing white privilege, that for so long has benefitted many within the White population.
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Reply #202 posted 06/27/18 9:44am

DiminutiveRocker

2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

They saw Trump as the one who would preserve "White Privilege" for them and their family. Obviously that was more important than seeing a woman advance in society

Exactly. That’s why he uses the race card, and use Mexican immigrants, legal or illegal, as bait to blame them for crime in America, which is a bs lie. It’s his alarm for his white supporters to create fear in them, and lie to them about their opportunities being stolen by immigrants of color. His immigration issue is to keep more ’Brown and Black’ out of America. He wants the racial division to keep America more White. Many of his White supporters fell for his message, yet are being bamboozled, because no wall will keep America from becoming more Brown, no matter what s trump feeds them. He is feeding his supporters his own insecurities and fear of losing white privilege, that for so long has benefitted many within the White population.


This whle immigation stunt is so harmful and not even effective. The census shows that the population is growing more for minorities (Hispanic, Asian, Black) than caucasians in this country. The minorities WILL be the majority - it *is* happening!

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #203 posted 06/27/18 9:45am

DiminutiveRocker

2elijah said:

poppys said:

Did y'all see this??? Reminds me of using prisoners for medical guinea pigs. shake

https://www.sfgate.com/ne...023594.php

...While in detention, the government regularly places the minors on multiple antidepressants, anti-anxiety and other psychotropic medications without telling them what the drugs are or consulting their parents, the lawyers said. If they refuse, they are told they will be denied release or privileges, or they are forcibly fed the drugs, they said.

That’s exactly what I wondered about, when they wouldn’t allow anyone from the media in, especially to see and find out where the girls were. I wondered if they were giving them some kind of drugs. This country has a bad and long history of using people of color as guinea pigs.



eek oh, shit.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #204 posted 06/27/18 3:09pm

2elijah

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



2elijah said:


poppys said:

Did y'all see this??? Reminds me of using prisoners for medical guinea pigs. shake 

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Immigrant-kids-are-forcibly-medicated-in-custody-13023594.php

...While in detention, the government regularly places the minors on multiple antidepressants, anti-anxiety and other psychotropic medications without telling them what the drugs are or consulting their parents, the lawyers said. If they refuse, they are told they will be denied release or privileges, or they are forcibly fed the drugs, they said.



That’s exactly what I wondered about, when they wouldn’t allow anyone from the media in, especially to see and find out where the girls were. I wondered if they were giving them some kind of drugs. This country has a bad and long history of using people of color as guinea pigs.



eek  oh, shit.


Let’s hope they didn’t put anything in the food those girls and boys were eating. Trump’s administration is known for lying to the American people, and they have no regard nor do they give a damn about how they are affecting, the mental state of those children, because they come from Brown countries. Let’s not forget what happened to many Native Americans on their own land, when many early, European immigrants came over here, and some within that population did whatever they could to get rid of Native Americans and disrepected their culture/way of life.
[Edited 6/27/18 17:35pm]
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Reply #205 posted 06/27/18 5:30pm

2elijah

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:

 


 


They saw Trump as the one who would preserve "White Privilege" for them and their family. Obviously that was more important than seeing a woman advance in society 



Exactly. That’s why he uses the race card, and use Mexican immigrants, legal or illegal, as bait to blame them for crime in America, which is a bs lie. It’s his alarm for his white supporters to create fear in them, and lie to them about their opportunities being stolen by immigrants of color. His immigration issue is to keep more ’Brown and Black’ out of America. He wants the racial division to keep America more White. Many of his White supporters fell for his message, yet are being bamboozled, because no wall will keep America from becoming more Brown, no matter what s trump feeds them. He is feeding his supporters his own insecurities and fear of losing white privilege, that for so long has benefitted many within the White population.


This whle immigation stunt is so harmful and not even effective.  The census shows that the population is growing more for minorities (Hispanic, Asian, Black) than caucasians in this country. The minorities WILL be the majority - it *is* happening!


Exactly, and this was predicted since the 80s. It is inevitable. This is why it is clear, how clueless many of trump’s white nationalist supporters and his other supporters involved with racist groups are. Trump used the race card as his fear tactic to draw in white voters, who are hoping he can turn the country majority white. He knew exactly what part of that base he could con. He made them believe Brown and Black immigrants are stealing their jobs and opportunities, and that those coming from Mexico are all criminals, and that is the reason, he tells them
he needs to build a wall. Truth is, a wall will not stop America from turning Brown. Let’s face it.. trump and many republicans/conservatives, supporters fear the growth of the Latino population in America.

On another note, for a different thread, if he appoints a conservative to replace Kennedy, which more than likely he will, be prepared that Roe v Wade may be overturned. It’s not surprising that what’s behind the pro-life movement in America is about trying to increase White births and stealing rights of Women. No way is pro-life about saving Brown and Black babies. That was proven the way they treated children of Central American migrants, who were forced to separate from their parents, by this current administration, which doesn’t give a damn about the mental harm they have/are causing those children.

Those asleep on the pro-life movement in America, will someday put the pieces of the puzzle together, if Roe vs Wade is overturned, and realize that’s what the pro-life movement in America has always been about.
[Edited 6/27/18 17:39pm]
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Reply #206 posted 06/27/18 5:54pm

DiminutiveRocker

2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:



eek oh, shit.

Let’s hope they didn’t put anything in the food those girls and boys were eating. Trump’s administration is known for lying to the American people, and they have no regard nor do they give a damn about how they are affecting, the mental state of those children, because they come from Brown countries. Let’s not forget what happened to many Native Americans on their own land, when many early, European immigrants came over here, and some within that population did whatever they could to get rid of Native Americans and disrepected their culture/way of life. [Edited 6/27/18 17:35pm]


Can they be tested?

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #207 posted 06/27/18 9:10pm

free2bFreeda2

The facts about Trump’s policy of separating families at the border

June 19, 2018 at 3:00 AM
: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/19/the-facts-about-trumps-policy-of-separating-families-at-the-border/
excerpt:
We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period.”
— Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, on Twitter, June 17

The president and top administration officials say U.S. laws or court rulings are forcing them to separate families that are caught trying to cross the southern border.

These claims are false. Immigrant families are being separated primarily because the Trump administration in April began to prosecute as many border-crossing offenses as possible. This “zero-tolerance policy” applies to all adults, regardless of whether they cross alone or with their children.

The Justice Department can’t prosecute children along with their parents, so the natural result of the zero-tolerance policy has been a sharp rise in family separations.
🤓
what i do NOT understand about drumpf-trump supporters is the FACT that they hear, read and see through his blatant lies, yet they follow him with a religious fervor.
seems america is no longer being represented by the statue of liberty icon under the leadership of the current POTUS.
from what I've been reading. some of these detention centers have poorly trained staff personnel. As a result there have been several reports of child abuse.
federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #208 posted 06/28/18 10:22am

PennyPurple

Now Melania is in Arizona.

Reply #209 posted 06/28/18 10:36am

benni

And this is happening today:


https://www.kgw.com/video/news/federal-officers-move-in-on-ice-protest/283-8173623

F
ederal officers have broken up the protest against ICE in Portland today. When did DHS get a police force??

Reply #210 posted 06/28/18 11:39am

poppys

free2bFreeda2 said:

The facts about Trump’s policy of separating families at the border June 19, 2018 at 3:00 AM : https://www.google.com/am...he-border/ excerpt: We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period.” — Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, on Twitter, June 17 The president and top administration officials say U.S. laws or court rulings are forcing them to separate families that are caught trying to cross the southern border. These claims are false. Immigrant families are being separated primarily because the Trump administration in April began to prosecute as many border-crossing offenses as possible. This “zero-tolerance policy” applies to all adults, regardless of whether they cross alone or with their children. The Justice Department can’t prosecute children along with their parents, so the natural result of the zero-tolerance policy has been a sharp rise in family separations. 🤓 what i do NOT understand about drumpf-trump supporters is the FACT that they hear, read and see through his blatant lies, yet they follow him with a religious fervor. seems america is no longer being represented by the statue of liberty icon under the leadership of the current POTUS. from what I've been reading. some of these detention centers have poorly trained staff personnel. As a result there have been several reports of child abuse.


There is/will be child abuse, including sexual. And airborne and direct contact illnesses. It's already confirmed they are drugging them. For one thing, they rolled this out with no plan so they are probably hiring anyone with a pulse to deal with the onslaught. Don't imagine they are paying much either. They are dumping all the kids in big rooms with people watching them that are not allowed to console or comfort. That's emotional abuse right there.

Also, their parents and guardians are being loudly and relentlessly called out (starting at the top with Trump) - as criminals, vermin, rapists etc. Why would a worker value them any differently?

Reply #211 posted 06/30/18 9:26pm

luv4u

Moderator

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Some of those children put into adoptive homes are ending up not being returned to the parent(s). The parent ends up losing custody.

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Reply #212 posted 06/30/18 10:42pm

lazycrockett

This administration does not give a fuck bout brown people who they consider "animals". They do not fucking care.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #213 posted 06/30/18 10:45pm

jjhunsecker

lazycrockett said:

This administration does not give a fuck bout brown people who they consider "animals". They do not fucking care.

Trump made that clear fr5om the day he announced his run for the Presidency in 2015

Reply #214 posted 07/01/18 2:42am

free2bFreeda2


So
disturbing.
sleeping under the mylar blankets is an insult imo. These types of blankets cause the body to sweat. not good for the children for continuous use.
-

also
Look at the Texas tent facilities housing immigrant children
MON, JUN 25 2018
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NBC’s Cal Perry joins MTP Daily to bring us an inside look at the “tent city” Texas housing immigrant children in Tornillo, Texas and the process of reuniting the children with their families.
: https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/inside-look-at-the-texas-tent-facilities-housing-immigrant-children-1263693891689
🤓
we are all immigrants.
[Edited 7/1/18 3:03am]
federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #215 posted 07/01/18 8:51am

2elijah

PennyPurple said:

Now Melania is in Arizona. 


Why? What do they think? That her presence will make the children feel better? She’s the last person they want to see. She’s married to the man who ok’d that the kids to be taken from their parents.
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Reply #216 posted 07/01/18 8:53am

2elijah

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:

 




eek  oh, shit.



Let’s hope they didn’t put anything in the food those girls and boys were eating. Trump’s administration is known for lying to the American people, and they have no regard nor do they give a damn about how they are affecting, the mental state of those children, because they come from Brown countries. Let’s not forget what happened to many Native Americans on their own land, when many early, European immigrants came over here, and some within that population did whatever they could to get rid of Native Americans and disrepected their culture/way of life. [Edited 6/27/18 17:35pm]


Can they be tested?


They would never let the public know if they put anything in the food they give those children. They also shouldn’t be giving them any medication, whatsoever, without the knowledge of their parents.
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Reply #217 posted 07/01/18 8:57am

2elijah

luv4u said:

Some of those children put into adoptive homes are ending up not being returned to the parent(s).  The parent ends up losing custody.


They will put them in foster care and the older children probably from ages 11-17 in group homes. Question is, what’s going to happen to the youth who are 17 soon to be 18? Are they going to send them back? Who knows. This is a shame, America separating and stealing children from Brown and Black....again. All the protests all over the country yesterday, shows how angry many in this country are about the separation of those children from their parents. I truly hope this situation brings masses to the voting booth during the next presidential election.
[Edited 7/1/18 9:01am]
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Reply #218 posted 07/01/18 9:07am

2elijah

jjhunsecker said:

 



lazycrockett said:


This administration does not give a fuck bout brown people who they consider "animals".  They do not fucking care. 



 


Trump made that clear fr5om the day he announced his run for the Presidency in 2015


Agree with both of you. Unfortunately, as long as trump is president, he will try his best to turn this country backwards and take away many human rights from both groups, and others as well. He is also intentionally trying to undo everything Obama did. Trumpbwill go down in history as one of the most disturbed, racist, childish and inhumane president of this country.
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Reply #219 posted 07/01/18 10:54am

OnlyNDaUsa

2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

Trump made that clear fr5om the day he announced his run for the Presidency in 2015

Agree with both of you. Unfortunately, as long as trump is president, he will try his best to turn this country backwards and take away many human rights from both groups, and others as well. He is also intentionally trying to undo everything Obama did. Trumpbwill go down in history as one of the most disturbed, racist, childish and inhumane president of this country.

yet he has not done that at all and he has not made a single statement or move or hint that is his intent.

barack on the other hand wanted people to be put in prison for not buying something they may or may not want or need or use. as well as being openly opposed to the first and second amendments.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #220 posted 07/01/18 10:56am

OnlyNDaUsa

lazycrockett said:

This administration does not give a fuck bout brown people who they consider "animals". They do not fucking care.

why make stuff up?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #221 posted 07/01/18 10:57am

2freaky4church1

They hate

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #222 posted 07/01/18 11:06am

jjhunsecker

2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

 



lazycrockett said:


This administration does not give a fuck bout brown people who they consider "animals".  They do not fucking care. 



 


Trump made that clear fr5om the day he announced his run for the Presidency in 2015


Agree with both of you. Unfortunately, as long as trump is president, he will try his best to turn this country backwards and take away many human rights from both groups, and others as well. He is also intentionally trying to undo everything Obama did. Trumpbwill go down in history as one of the most disturbed, racist, childish and inhumane president of this country.


Trump is an immoral and indecent man, racist and bigoted and sexist to the core. A hypocrite who lies from sentence to sentence. A man with absolutely no values whose only interest is his selfish needs for attention and to enrich himself.

And to see so many Americans hoodwinked by this fraud, and to readily accept his bigotry and inhumanity and calls for violence, makes it so much easier to understand how men like Hitler and Mussolini could rise to power.
Reply #223 posted 07/01/18 12:22pm

poppys

2elijah said:

luv4u said:

Some of those children put into adoptive homes are ending up not being returned to the parent(s). The parent ends up losing custody.

They will put them in foster care and the older children probably from ages 11-17 in group homes. Question is, what’s going to happen to the youth who are 17 soon to be 18? Are they going to send them back? Who knows. This is a shame, America separating and stealing children from Brown and Black....again. All the protests all over the country yesterday, shows how angry many in this country are about the separation of those children from their parents. I truly hope this situation brings masses to the voting booth during the next presidential election.


Probably dumped back in their home countries randomly. They aren't going to make them citizens or give them a path to citizenship, right? They are doing this on purpose. All these kids are collateral damage. I don't expect happy endings, we need the press to keep doing human interest stories about the children. Lot of protests around the country this weekend too.

Reply #224 posted 07/01/18 3:12pm

2elijah

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:


Agree with both of you. Unfortunately, as long as trump is president, he will try his best to turn this country backwards and take away many human rights from both groups, and others as well. He is also intentionally trying to undo everything Obama did. Trumpbwill go down in history as one of the most disturbed, racist, childish and inhumane president of this country.


Trump is an immoral and indecent man, racist and bigoted and sexist to the core. A hypocrite who lies from sentence to sentence. A man with absolutely no values whose only interest is his selfish needs for attention and to enrich himself.

And to see so many Americans hoodwinked by this fraud, and to readily accept his bigotry and inhumanity and calls for violence, makes it so much easier to understand how men like Hitler and Mussolini could rise to power.

That goes to show you how easy it would be for those same types to support a dictator. If trump easily conned then, then they’d fall for anything. They knew of trump’s racial prejudice towards the Black and Brown population, and his disrespect and sexual harassment against women, and those delusional voters voted for him anyway. So they have a part in electing someone who likes breaking up the families of non-white non-Americans. Just look at the faces of trump’s supporters when he does his recent rallies. They celebrate his separation of Black and Brown families. It’s like looking at that photo of racists smiling and laughing at a Black man being lynched. Shame on America. I hope the Black and Brown population in America show up in masses, at the voting booths during the next presidential election.
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Reply #225 posted 07/01/18 3:40pm

13cjk13

2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:
Trump is an immoral and indecent man, racist and bigoted and sexist to the core. A hypocrite who lies from sentence to sentence. A man with absolutely no values whose only interest is his selfish needs for attention and to enrich himself. And to see so many Americans hoodwinked by this fraud, and to readily accept his bigotry and inhumanity and calls for violence, makes it so much easier to understand how men like Hitler and Mussolini could rise to power.
That goes to show you how easy it would be for those same types to support a dictator. If trump easily conned then, then they’d fall for anything. They knew of trump’s racial prejudice towards the Black and Brown population, and his disrespect and sexual harassment against women, and those delusional voters voted for him anyway. So they have a part in electing someone who likes breaking up the families of non-white non-Americans. Just look at the faces of trump’s supporters when he does his recent rallies. They celebrate his separation of Black and Brown families. It’s like looking at that photo of racists smiling and laughing at a Black man being lynched. Shame on America. I hope the Black and Brown population in America show up in masses, at the voting booths during the next presidential election.

The garbage in charge will be in prison and we will vote these monsters out, then we can get this country back on track.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #226 posted 07/01/18 4:32pm

OnlyNDaUsa

poppys said:

2elijah said:

luv4u said: They will put them in foster care and the older children probably from ages 11-17 in group homes. Question is, what’s going to happen to the youth who are 17 soon to be 18? Are they going to send them back? Who knows. This is a shame, America separating and stealing children from Brown and Black....again. All the protests all over the country yesterday, shows how angry many in this country are about the separation of those children from their parents. I truly hope this situation brings masses to the voting booth during the next presidential election.


Probably dumped back in their home countries randomly. They aren't going to make them citizens or give them a path to citizenship, right? They are doing this on purpose. All these kids are collateral damage. I don't expect happy endings, we need the press to keep doing human interest stories about the children. Lot of protests around the country this weekend too.

2000 kids so at least 3000 people... right? So if they decided to take them all to your hometown and dropped them all off how many would you welcome to live with you?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #227 posted 07/01/18 4:39pm

CherryMoon57

I haven't had time to read the most recent posts in this thread but wanted to share this horrifying report from Elyzabeth Warren.

'Sunday morning, I flew to McAllen, Texas to find out what's really happening to immigrant families ripped apart by the Trump administration.

There's one thing that's very clear: The crisis at our border isn't over.

I went straight from the airport to the McAllen Customs and Border Protection (CBP) processing center that is the epicenter of Donald Trump's so-called "zero-tolerance" policy. This is where border patrol brings undocumented migrants for intake before they are either released, deported, turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), or, in the case of unaccompanied or separated children, placed in the custody of Health and Human Services.

From the outside, the CBP processing center looks like any other warehouse on a commercial street lined with warehouses. There's no clue about the horrors inside...'

Read more: https://www.facebook.com/...2214623687

Reply #228 posted 07/01/18 4:52pm

OnlyNDaUsa

where was she a few years ago when this same thing happened? LOL oh yeah she could not say anything it might hurt obama or hillary... LOL sad..

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #229 posted 07/01/18 9:19pm

free2bFreeda2

OnlyNDaUsa said:

where was she a few years ago when this same thing happened?  LOL  oh yeah she could not say anything it might hurt obama or hillary... LOL sad.. 


for the sake of the topic of this thread about the detained and locked up children who don't know the whereabouts of their parents, guardians or sister and brothers,
"don't for heaven's sake, be afraid of talking nonsense! but you must pay attention to your nonsense.".
😬
[Edited 7/1/18 21:20pm]
federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #230 posted 07/01/18 9:35pm

OnlyNDaUsa

free2bFreeda2 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

where was she a few years ago when this same thing happened? LOL oh yeah she could not say anything it might hurt obama or hillary... LOL sad..

for the sake of the topic of this thread about the detained and locked up children who don't know the whereabouts of their parents, guardians or sister and brothers, "don't for heaven's sake, be afraid of talking nonsense! but you must pay attention to your nonsense.". 😬 [Edited 7/1/18 21:20pm]

Do you deny that children were held in the same conditions under obama?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #231 posted 07/01/18 10:12pm

poppys

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:
Agree with both of you. Unfortunately, as long as trump is president, he will try his best to turn this country backwards and take away many human rights from both groups, and others as well. He is also intentionally trying to undo everything Obama did. Trumpbwill go down in history as one of the most disturbed, racist, childish and inhumane president of this country.

Trump is an immoral and indecent man, racist and bigoted and sexist to the core. A hypocrite who lies from sentence to sentence. A man with absolutely no values whose only interest is his selfish needs for attention and to enrich himself. And to see so many Americans hoodwinked by this fraud, and to readily accept his bigotry and inhumanity and calls for violence, makes it so much easier to understand how men like Hitler and Mussolini could rise to power.


The people who want to take away women's rights by overturning Roe v Wade are the same people who condone taking children from their families and putting them in kennels like dogs, or worse. I guess we're supposd to have babies so they can destroy them after they get here.

Reply #232 posted 07/02/18 11:56am

DiminutiveRocker

poppys said:

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:
Trump is an immoral and indecent man, racist and bigoted and sexist to the core. A hypocrite who lies from sentence to sentence. A man with absolutely no values whose only interest is his selfish needs for attention and to enrich himself. And to see so many Americans hoodwinked by this fraud, and to readily accept his bigotry and inhumanity and calls for violence, makes it so much easier to understand how men like Hitler and Mussolini could rise to power.


The people who want to take away women's rights by overturning Roe v Wade are the same people who condone taking children from their families and putting them in kennels like dogs, or worse. I guess we're supposd to have babies so they can destroy them after they get here.


I watched a little girl reuntied with her mother after two months - they were both sobbing. This whole separation thing is unconscionable.


disbelief

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #233 posted 07/02/18 2:27pm

OnlyNDaUsa

poppys said:

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:
Trump is an immoral and indecent man, racist and bigoted and sexist to the core. A hypocrite who lies from sentence to sentence. A man with absolutely no values whose only interest is his selfish needs for attention and to enrich himself. And to see so many Americans hoodwinked by this fraud, and to readily accept his bigotry and inhumanity and calls for violence, makes it so much easier to understand how men like Hitler and Mussolini could rise to power.


The people who want to take away women's rights by overturning Roe v Wade are the same people who condone taking children from their families and putting them in kennels like dogs, or worse. I guess we're supposd to have babies so they can destroy them after they get here.

the same ones that want to be able to rip a baby limb from limb are the ones crying about this so... if you want to bring in roe v wade lets do so.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #234 posted 07/03/18 4:34am

PennyPurple

Some of these kids have already been entered in the foster system. Now the parents will have a harder time trying to get them back.


It pisses me off that the kids are being shipped across the US and put in the foster system. Don't ship them out anywhere, don't put them in foster care. Crossing the border is only a misdemeanor. I can't believe we are still dealing with this weeks later and nothing has been done to get this problem corrected, which BTW Trump caused.


I sincerely hope that this opens up voters eyes and start voting these people out.

Reply #235 posted 07/03/18 8:45am

OnlyNDaUsa

PennyPurple said:

Some of these kids have already been entered in the foster system. Now the parents will have a harder time trying to get them back.


It pisses me off that the kids are being shipped across the US and put in the foster system. Don't ship them out anywhere, don't put them in foster care. Crossing the border is only a misdemeanor. I can't believe we are still dealing with this weeks later and nothing has been done to get this problem corrected, which BTW Trump caused.


I sincerely hope that this opens up voters eyes and start voting these people out.

wait so now you are madder that they are out of the 'cages'? and being in foster care has ZERO impact on being reunited. and you understand that a number of these were unaccompanied minors.... you know that right?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #236 posted 07/03/18 8:48am

2freaky4church1

wrong

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #237 posted 07/03/18 8:56am

OnlyNDaUsa

2freaky4church1 said:

wrong

context?


Are you saying I am wrong? about what?

that PennyPurple is madder that they are out of the centers and now in foster care?


that being in foster care has no impact on the ease of being reunited?

or that some of the 'kids' (as was the case last time the ages are a wide range and I know for a FACT that they often lie about age so they will be able to get into school) were unaccompanied?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #238 posted 07/03/18 8:58am

PennyPurple

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

Some of these kids have already been entered in the foster system. Now the parents will have a harder time trying to get them back.


It pisses me off that the kids are being shipped across the US and put in the foster system. Don't ship them out anywhere, don't put them in foster care. Crossing the border is only a misdemeanor. I can't believe we are still dealing with this weeks later and nothing has been done to get this problem corrected, which BTW Trump caused.


I sincerely hope that this opens up voters eyes and start voting these people out.

wait so now you are madder that they are out of the 'cages'? and being in foster care has ZERO impact on being reunited. and you understand that a number of these were unaccompanied minors.... you know that right?

You are wrong. Once they enter the foster system, chances are they will not get their kids back. I'm not talking about the unaccompanied ones. They shouldn't have went into the foster system to begin with, nor should they've been shipped all over the US.

Reply #239 posted 07/03/18 9:03am

OnlyNDaUsa

PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

wait so now you are madder that they are out of the 'cages'? and being in foster care has ZERO impact on being reunited. and you understand that a number of these were unaccompanied minors.... you know that right?

You are wrong. Once they enter the foster system, chances are they will not get their kids back. I'm not talking about the unaccompanied ones. They shouldn't have went into the foster system to begin with, nor should they've been shipped all over the US.

I do not believe you... and wait? you do not want them in homes or in cages or spread out? so where should they be put?

And do you have any evidence that the kids put into foster care were not unaccompanied?

But yeah how would being in foster care (which is almost always temporary) hinder being reunited with parents?


it seems that nothing short of just being allowed to stay unhindered will make you happy... which is not even what you really believe? you do not believe in open borders NO ONE does.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #240 posted 07/03/18 9:16am

PennyPurple

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

You are wrong. Once they enter the foster system, chances are they will not get their kids back. I'm not talking about the unaccompanied ones. They shouldn't have went into the foster system to begin with, nor should they've been shipped all over the US.

I do not believe you... and wait? you do not want them in homes or in cages or spread out? so where should they be put?

And do you have any evidence that the kids put into foster care were not unaccompanied?

But yeah how would being in foster care (which is almost always temporary) hinder being reunited with parents?


it seems that nothing short of just being allowed to stay unhindered will make you happy... which is not even what you really believe? you do not believe in open borders NO ONE does.

WTF are you going on about?


Yes, there is evidence that these kids who came over WITH their parents are being put in foster care. LMAO.

You think that 2 year olds are gonna walk across the border by themselves? Who do you think they are shipping all over the US?

One lady last night was released she can't get her child because they have entered the foster care system.

Stop making excuses, what kind of person are you to think this is even ok?

Read up, maybe you'll learn something, instead of just being a Trump follower.

Reply #241 posted 07/03/18 9:27am

OnlyNDaUsa

PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I do not believe you... and wait? you do not want them in homes or in cages or spread out? so where should they be put?

And do you have any evidence that the kids put into foster care were not unaccompanied?

But yeah how would being in foster care (which is almost always temporary) hinder being reunited with parents?


it seems that nothing short of just being allowed to stay unhindered will make you happy... which is not even what you really believe? you do not believe in open borders NO ONE does.

WTF are you going on about?


Yes, there is evidence that these kids who came over WITH their parents are being put in foster care. LMAO.

You think that 2 year olds are gonna walk across the border by themselves? Who do you think they are shipping all over the US?

One lady last night was released she can't get her child because they have entered the foster care system.

Stop making excuses, what kind of person are you to think this is even ok?

Read up, maybe you'll learn something, instead of just being a Trump follower.

i never said it was okay... why would you assume that? weird? I am no fan of trump i have been critical of him many times. But whatever, i will let it go and assume you just assume it... and base it (at best) on something you read someplace....

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
Reply #242 posted 07/03/18 10:54am

PennyPurple

I'm going to have to start remembering not to reply to your posts.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

WTF are you going on about?


Yes, there is evidence that these kids who came over WITH their parents are being put in foster care. LMAO.

You think that 2 year olds are gonna walk across the border by themselves? Who do you think they are shipping all over the US?

One lady last night was released she can't get her child because they have entered the foster care system.

Stop making excuses, what kind of person are you to think this is even ok?

Read up, maybe you'll learn something, instead of just being a Trump follower.

i never said it was okay... why would you assume that? weird? I am no fan of trump i have been critical of him many times. But whatever, i will let it go and assume you just assume it... and base it (at best) on something you read someplace.... I

Reply #243 posted 07/03/18 5:24pm

DiminutiveRocker

PennyPurple said:

Some of these kids have already been entered in the foster system. Now the parents will have a harder time trying to get them back.


It pisses me off that the kids are being shipped across the US and put in the foster system. Don't ship them out anywhere, don't put them in foster care. Crossing the border is only a misdemeanor. I can't believe we are still dealing with this weeks later and nothing has been done to get this problem corrected, which BTW Trump caused.


I sincerely hope that this opens up voters eyes and start voting these people out.


Back on topic lol

You're correct. These children are being thrown into the system with no traceable way to reunite them with parents. The smaller ones have no idea what's going on only that they've been taken from their parents and shipped cross the country.

The children need to remain WITH their parents and all be processed TOGETHER. Whether that means being granted asylum (good luck under Trump) or being deported back, sadly, to the same unlivable conditions they have fled. They need to remain TOGETHER, period.



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"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #244 posted 07/03/18 6:34pm

lazycrockett

This administration wanted to do this. They want to hurt as many parents and kids as possible. It gives them a thrill, a sense of superiority. They have no intention or want to reunite these kids that they have torn away from their parents. They enjoy being the bully. They love it.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #245 posted 07/03/18 7:54pm

PennyPurple

lazycrockett said:

This administration wanted to do this. They want to hurt as many parents and kids as possible. It gives them a thrill, a sense of superiority. They have no intention or want to reunite these kids that they have torn away from their parents. They enjoy being the bully. They love it.

At this point neither party is doing anything to help the situation. sad

Reply #246 posted 07/04/18 7:58am

DiminutiveRocker

lazycrockett said:

This administration wanted to do this. They want to hurt as many parents and kids as possible. It gives them a thrill, a sense of superiority. They have no intention or want to reunite these kids that they have torn away from their parents. They enjoy being the bully. They love it.



It's hateful, it's racist and it's a show of power over helpless people being marked as crimnals, enemies.

We have seen this before....

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #247 posted 07/04/18 11:18am

jjhunsecker

lazycrockett said:

This administration wanted to do this.  They want to hurt as many parents and kids as possible.  It gives them a thrill, a sense of superiority.  They have no intention or want to reunite these kids that they have torn away from their parents.  They enjoy being the bully.  They love it.


 


 



When you think policy in America is being created by ugly deranged scumbags like Stephen Miller, it makes a sane person want to vomit. Our country is going straight to hell
Reply #248 posted 07/04/18 11:58am

poppys

jjhunsecker said:

lazycrockett said:

This administration wanted to do this. They want to hurt as many parents and kids as possible. It gives them a thrill, a sense of superiority. They have no intention or want to reunite these kids that they have torn away from their parents. They enjoy being the bully. They love it.


When you think policy in America is being created by ugly deranged scumbags like Stephen Miller, it makes a sane person want to vomit. Our country is going straight to hell


Then they can demonize and incarcerate the mentally fucked up human beings and outraged family members they are creating now. It really is pure evil.

Reply #249 posted 07/04/18 12:21pm

2elijah

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



PennyPurple said:


Some of these kids have already been entered in the foster system. Now the parents will have a harder time trying to get them back.



It pisses me off that the kids are being shipped across the US and put in the foster system. Don't ship them out anywhere, don't put them in foster care. Crossing the border is only a misdemeanor. I can't believe we are still dealing with this weeks later and nothing has been done to get this problem corrected, which BTW Trump caused.



I sincerely hope that this opens up voters eyes and start voting these people out. 




Back on topic lol

You're correct.  These children are being thrown into the system with no traceable way to reunite them with parents.  The smaller ones have no idea what's going on only that they've been taken from their parents and shipped cross the country. 


 


The children need to remain WITH their parents and all be processed TOGETHER. Whether that means being granted asylum (good luck under Trump) or being deported back, sadly, to the same unlivable conditions they have fled. They need to remain TOGETHER, period.



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It’s trump’s fault this is happening. He approved this tragic situation. His legacy will be known as the evil monster that stole children from another country.
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Reply #250 posted 07/04/18 12:44pm

2elijah

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



lazycrockett said:


This administration wanted to do this.  They want to hurt as many parents and kids as possible.  It gives them a thrill, a sense of superiority.  They have no intention or want to reunite these kids that they have torn away from their parents.  They enjoy being the bully.  They love it.


 


 





It's hateful, it's racist and it's a show of power over helpless people being marked as crimnals, enemies.

We have seen this before....


Agree to both. They’re playing to a certain segment within trump’s base by showing them that by taking children from migrants from countries trump dislikes, is a form of punishment he hopes is a deterrent to discourage them from coming here whether legal or illegal. He just doesn’t want people from Brown or Black countries coming here.

They don’t care if those parents were fleeing for their lives leaving everything behind. They just don’t give a damn. Honestly I don’t know how they could sleep at night after hearing the video of children crying for their parents. Shame on them.
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Reply #251 posted 07/04/18 12:55pm

2elijah

[/url]https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/07/03/us/detention-center-letters-grassroots-leadership/index.html[/url]

'They treated us as though we were animals': Letters from inside an immigration detention facility

By Emanuella Grinberg, Jamiel Lynch and Keith Allen, CNN

Updated at 2:57 PM ET, Wed July 4, 2018



(CNN) — “In the letter, she calls the facility "la perrera" -- the kennel or dog pound -- because of the chain-link cages she and others were held in.
For eight days after she was captured near the US-Mexico border, she says she did not bathe or brush her teeth. She and other women slept on the floor under "aluminum paper" blankets, she says.
"They treated us so horribly, as though we were animals," she wrote in the letter, in which she called herself "anonimo," anonymous.
But worst of all was not knowing the fate of her daughter or son for 21 days after they were taken from her, she wrote.

The account came via Grassroots Leadership, a nonprofit that describes itself as "a nationally recognized civil and human rights organization" that fights to "end prison profiteering, mass incarceration, and deportation." The group, which is circulating a petition to reunite separated families, posted the letter on its website on June 25. Four days later, the group posted several more accounts from women who had been separated from their children.”
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Reply #252 posted 07/04/18 1:16pm

deebee

2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:



It's hateful, it's racist and it's a show of power over helpless people being marked as crimnals, enemies.

We have seen this before....

Agree to both. They’re playing to a certain segment within trump’s base by showing them that by taking children from migrants from countries trump dislikes, is a form of punishment he hopes is a deterrent to discourage them from coming here whether legal or illegal. He just doesn’t want people from Brown or Black countries coming here. They don’t care if those parents were fleeing for their lives leaving everything behind. They just don’t give a damn. Honestly I don’t know how they could sleep at night after hearing the video of children crying for their parents. Shame on them.

It is always hard to wrap one's head around that. disbelief Could be a thread in itself.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #253 posted 07/04/18 1:35pm

jjhunsecker

2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



lazycrockett said:


This administration wanted to do this.  They want to hurt as many parents and kids as possible.  It gives them a thrill, a sense of superiority.  They have no intention or want to reunite these kids that they have torn away from their parents.  They enjoy being the bully.  They love it.


 


 





It's hateful, it's racist and it's a show of power over helpless people being marked as crimnals, enemies.

We have seen this before....


Agree to both. They’re playing to a certain segment within trump’s base by showing them that by taking children from migrants from countries trump dislikes, is a form of punishment he hopes is a deterrent to discourage them from coming here whether legal or illegal. He just doesn’t want people from Brown or Black countries coming here.

They don’t care if those parents were fleeing for their lives leaving everything behind. They just don’t give a damn. Honestly I don’t know how they could sleep at night after hearing the video of children crying for their parents. Shame on them.


They can sleep because they are inhuman savages who see these immigrants and migrants and asylum seekers as "animals " and beneath them
Reply #254 posted 07/04/18 1:40pm

poppys

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:
Agree to both. They’re playing to a certain segment within trump’s base by showing them that by taking children from migrants from countries trump dislikes, is a form of punishment he hopes is a deterrent to discourage them from coming here whether legal or illegal. He just doesn’t want people from Brown or Black countries coming here. They don’t care if those parents were fleeing for their lives leaving everything behind. They just don’t give a damn. Honestly I don’t know how they could sleep at night after hearing the video of children crying for their parents. Shame on them.
They can sleep because they are inhuman savages who see these immigrants and migrants and asylum seekers as "animals " and beneath them


Bring back the poison ring! (Putin probably has some in stock) we need to find that lone madman McDonalds employee - fast.

Reply #255 posted 07/05/18 8:03am

DiminutiveRocker

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:
Agree to both. They’re playing to a certain segment within trump’s base by showing them that by taking children from migrants from countries trump dislikes, is a form of punishment he hopes is a deterrent to discourage them from coming here whether legal or illegal. He just doesn’t want people from Brown or Black countries coming here. They don’t care if those parents were fleeing for their lives leaving everything behind. They just don’t give a damn. Honestly I don’t know how they could sleep at night after hearing the video of children crying for their parents. Shame on them.
They can sleep because they are inhuman savages who see these immigrants and migrants and asylum seekers as "animals " and beneath them


sad it is so heartbreaking. There is surely a place in hell secured for Trump, Miller and anyone participating in this horrific action.

I am glad that woman climbed the Statue of Liberty - keeps this story in the news - - those 2000+ children must be returned to their families.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #256 posted 07/05/18 10:40am

2elijah

deebee said:

 



2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:

 




It's hateful, it's racist and it's a show of power over helpless people being marked as crimnals, enemies.

We have seen this before....



Agree to both. They’re playing to a certain segment within trump’s base by showing them that by taking children from migrants from countries trump dislikes, is a form of punishment he hopes is a deterrent to discourage them from coming here whether legal or illegal. He just doesn’t want people from Brown or Black countries coming here. They don’t care if those parents were fleeing for their lives leaving everything behind. They just don’t give a damn. Honestly I don’t know how they could sleep at night after hearing the video of children crying for their parents. Shame on them.

It is always hard to wrap one's head around that. disbelief Could be a thread in itself.


I can’t imagine what the parents are going through. They run from a country that they are in fear of their lives, seeking asylum in another, but are punished by having their children stolen from them, by the country they run to for help. Just horrible.
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Reply #257 posted 07/05/18 3:02pm

DiminutiveRocker

2elijah said:

deebee said:

It is always hard to wrap one's head around that. disbelief Could be a thread in itself.

I can’t imagine what the parents are going through. They run from a country that they are in fear of their lives, seeking asylum in another, but are punished by having their children stolen from them, by the country they run to for help. Just horrible.


^ Trump's America. neutral

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #258 posted 07/05/18 3:20pm

13cjk13

DiminutiveRocker said:

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said: They can sleep because they are inhuman savages who see these immigrants and migrants and asylum seekers as "animals " and beneath them


sad it is so heartbreaking. There is surely a place in hell secured for Trump, Miller and anyone participating in this horrific action.

I am glad that woman climbed the Statue of Liberty - keeps this story in the news - - those 2000+ children must be returned to their families.

Are you mad just because someone else has a different opinion of separating children from their parents and putting them in cages?

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #259 posted 07/05/18 5:06pm

StopIt

Stop breaking the law on our dime and cutting others going about the process legally.

Or do it, and the consequences, if any, are on you.

Was worse under your former President's reign.

Desperate hypocrites.

Keep it up though, it's helpful to your adversaries.

Reply #260 posted 07/05/18 8:06pm

13cjk13

StopIt said:

Stop breaking the law on our dime and cutting others going about the process legally.

Or do it, and the consequences, if any, are on you.

Was worse under your former President's reign.

Desperate hypocrites.

Keep it up though, it's helpful to your adversaries.

Stop watching Fox "news", and PAY ATTENTION.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #261 posted 07/06/18 6:45am

poppys


NBC news last night. They have to reunite 3000 children by this coming Tuesday by court order. 100 of them are under 5. They are doing DNA tests on all the children, another whole can of worms. There was no permission given. Powerful tracking tool for the rest of their lives. They can also use that to not give children to guardians, or hold up the process.

Reply #262 posted 07/06/18 7:27am

DiminutiveRocker

poppys said:


NBC news last night. They have to reunite 3000 children by this coming Tuesday by court order. 100 of them are under 5. They are doing DNA tests on all the children, another whole can of worms. There was no permission given. Powerful tracking tool for the rest of their lives. They can also use that to not give children to guardians, or hold up the process.

neutral jesus. disbelief

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #263 posted 07/07/18 7:43am

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

A month without mom: 2 Guatemalan kids share what it's like to be all alone in the U.S.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/w...-1.4730148

Sylvia and her 10-year-old brother Christian are among the nearly 3,000 migrant children who have been separated from their parents at the southern border — about a third more than previously reported by the U.S. government.



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Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
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Reply #264 posted 07/07/18 8:06am

2freaky4church1

Only, read the never trumpers.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #265 posted 07/07/18 4:33pm

DiminutiveRocker

luv4u said:

A month without mom: 2 Guatemalan kids share what it's like to be all alone in the U.S.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/w...-1.4730148

Sylvia and her 10-year-old brother Christian are among the nearly 3,000 migrant children who have been separated from their parents at the southern border — about a third more than previously reported by the U.S. government.



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neutral


bheart

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #266 posted 07/08/18 12:46pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

OMG SMDH Unbelievable!! eek

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Kids As Young As 1 In US Court, Awaiting Reunion With Family

http://www.lex18.com/stor...ith-family

PHOENIX (AP) — The 1-year-old boy in a green button-up shirt drank milk from a bottle, played with a small purple ball that lit up when it hit the ground and occasionally asked for "agua."


Then it was the child's turn for his court appearance before a Phoenix immigration judge, who could hardly contain his unease with the situation during the portion of the hearing where he asks immigrant defendants whether they understand the proceedings.


"I'm embarrassed to ask it, because I don't know who you would explain it to, unless you think that a 1-year-old could learn immigration law," Judge John W. Richardson told the lawyer representing the 1-year-old boy............

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
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Reply #267 posted 07/08/18 3:03pm

2elijah

luv4u said:

OMG SMDH  Unbelievable!! eek

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Kids As Young As 1 In US Court, Awaiting Reunion With Family

http://www.lex18.com/story/38594547/kids-as-young-as-1-in-us-court-awaiting-reunion-with-family

PHOENIX (AP) — The 1-year-old boy in a green button-up shirt drank milk from a bottle, played with a small purple ball that lit up when it hit the ground and occasionally asked for "agua."



Then it was the child's turn for his court appearance before a Phoenix immigration judge, who could hardly contain his unease with the situation during the portion of the hearing where he asks immigrant defendants whether they understand the proceedings.



"I'm embarrassed to ask it, because I don't know who you would explain it to, unless you think that a 1-year-old could learn immigration law," Judge John W. Richardson told the lawyer representing the 1-year-old boy.....


I just saw that on the news. It’s disgusting. What the hell is wrong with this administration causing trauma to these children and the parents just because many of them were fleeing from harm in their own country? I haven’t seen anything like this in my lifetime in this country. This is a mess. How can it be legal for them to snatch babies/toddlers and other young children from their parents? Then put them in front of a judge? Is this country going back to kidnapping/stealing children and tearing families apart?
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Reply #268 posted 07/08/18 3:34pm

luv4u

Moderator

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U.S. agency mistakenly mails Mexican child's passport to Nova Scotia (Canada)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/ca...-1.4738155

A couple who lives in Nova Scotia has mistakenly received the passport of a three year-old Mexican girl from a government agency in the United States.


Sian and Richard Turner, who live just outside of Antigonish, N.S., found the seemingly new and unstamped Mexican passport in a letter from the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS) on Friday...........



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Seriously??!! disbelief

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Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
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Reply #269 posted 07/08/18 6:59pm

poppys

luv4u said:

U.S. agency mistakenly mails Mexican child's passport to Nova Scotia (Canada)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/ca...-1.4738155

A couple who lives in Nova Scotia has mistakenly received the passport of a three year-old Mexican girl from a government agency in the United States.


Sian and Richard Turner, who live just outside of Antigonish, N.S., found the seemingly new and unstamped Mexican passport in a letter from the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS) on Friday...........



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Seriously??!! disbelief


A Mexican toddler's passport sent to Canadians in a letter from the IRS? This just gets more and more disturbing every minute. shake


Reply #270 posted 07/09/18 2:12am

CherryMoon57

Apparently pediatricians or even the UNICEF aren't allowed to intervene in order to help the children. sad

Sounds like the best remedy would be to actually remove the problem at its source; by removing Trump and his absurd administration from their undeserved posts. I wonder who would have that power... 🤔

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https://twitter.com/DrSri...3932257280

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Reply #271 posted 07/09/18 10:23am

DiminutiveRocker

CherryMoon57 said:

Apparently pediatricians or even the UNICEF aren't allowed to intervene in order to help the children.  sad

Sounds like the best remedy would be to actually remove the problem at its source; by removing Trump and his absurd administration from their underserved posts. I wonder who would have that power...  🤔


 


 


https://twitter.com/DrSriram/status/1012479093932257280




This is UNACCEPTABLE!!!
"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #272 posted 07/10/18 9:49am

2elijah

What a mess. Many of those parents are being forced to drop their asylum claims and agree to be deported, in order to get their children back. Some have no papers to claim the heir children, so just imagine the hell they are going through to get their children back. This trump administration is the worst ever. Mean, callous, no soul. How can they sleep at night knowing the pain they are causing these parents, just because many of them were seeking asylum.

Like one parent said.. it was easy for this country to take away their children from the parents, yet difficult to return them to their parents. Damn shame.
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Reply #273 posted 07/10/18 10:08am

poppys

2elijah said:

What a mess. Many of those parents are being forced to drop their asylum claims and agree to be deported, in order to get their children back. Some have no papers to claim the heir children, so just imagine the hell they are going through to get their children back. This trump administration is the worst ever. Mean, callous, no soul. How can they sleep at night knowing the pain they are causing these parents, just because many of them were seeking asylum. Like one parent said.. it was easy for this country to take away their children from the parents, yet difficult to return them to their parents. Damn shame.

CBS news this morning

What the parents have to pay for to get their kids back:

DNA tests
Passports- paperwork
Plane ticket for child - one way
Plane ticket for Guardian - round trip


Paraphrasing, they flashed the list onscreen but I can't find it. If the parents can't pay all that, then what are they going to do with the children? Regular citizens have asked to be foster parents and were shut down. They still won't let media in those places either.

Reply #274 posted 07/10/18 12:08pm

PennyPurple

poppys said:

2elijah said:

What a mess. Many of those parents are being forced to drop their asylum claims and agree to be deported, in order to get their children back. Some have no papers to claim the heir children, so just imagine the hell they are going through to get their children back. This trump administration is the worst ever. Mean, callous, no soul. How can they sleep at night knowing the pain they are causing these parents, just because many of them were seeking asylum. Like one parent said.. it was easy for this country to take away their children from the parents, yet difficult to return them to their parents. Damn shame.

CBS news this morning

What the parents have to pay for to get their kids back:

DNA tests
Passports- paperwork
Plane ticket for child - one way
Plane ticket for Guardian - round trip


Paraphrasing, they flashed the list onscreen but I can't find it. If the parents can't pay all that, then what are they going to do with the children? Regular citizens have asked to be foster parents and were shut down. They still won't let media in those places either.

There wouldn't be any costs had they've kept the kids with the parents, but then they had to ship them out across the US.

This is really f'd up. This administration are idiots.

Reply #275 posted 07/10/18 12:10pm

free2bFreeda2

2elijah said:

What a mess. Many of those parents are being forced to drop their asylum claims and agree to be deported, in order to get their children back. Some have no papers to claim the heir children, so just imagine the hell they are going through to get their children back. This trump administration is the worst ever. Mean, callous, no soul. How can they sleep at night knowing the pain they are causing these parents, just because many of them were seeking asylum.

Like one parent said.. it was easy for this country to take away their children from the parents, yet difficult to return them to their parents. Damn shame.
[Edited 7/10/18 9:51am]

the whole mess is egregious. to think that the families were seperated and then placed in detention without due diligence or proper paperwork.
then knowing that there are no files retained or identification cards distribute to all the detainees is worse than how the germans treated Jews during the holocaust.
at least the gestapo kept proper records and files.
wtf is wrong with trump?
federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #276 posted 07/10/18 12:26pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

PennyPurple said:

poppys said:

CBS news this morning

What the parents have to pay for to get their kids back:

DNA tests
Passports- paperwork
Plane ticket for child - one way
Plane ticket for Guardian - round trip


Paraphrasing, they flashed the list onscreen but I can't find it. If the parents can't pay all that, then what are they going to do with the children? Regular citizens have asked to be foster parents and were shut down. They still won't let media in those places either.

There wouldn't be any costs had they've kept the kids with the parents, but then they had to ship them out across the US.

This is really f'd up. This administration are idiots.


If they want the kid(s) back they have the parent pay the air fare. Only thing is the parent does not have the funds to pay for the air fare to be reunited.


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Reply #277 posted 07/10/18 1:31pm

DiminutiveRocker

luv4u said:

PennyPurple said:

There wouldn't be any costs had they've kept the kids with the parents, but then they had to ship them out across the US.

This is really f'd up. This administration are idiots.


If they want the kid(s) back they have the parent pay the air fare. Only thing is the parent does not have the funds to pay for the air fare to be reunited.



Hateful. cry

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #278 posted 07/10/18 2:19pm

2elijah

free2bFreeda2 said:

2elijah said:

What a mess. Many of those parents are being forced to drop their asylum claims and agree to be deported, in order to get their children back. Some have no papers to claim the heir children, so just imagine the hell they are going through to get their children back. This trump administration is the worst ever. Mean, callous, no soul. How can they sleep at night knowing the pain they are causing these parents, just because many of them were seeking asylum.

Like one parent said.. it was easy for this country to take away their children from the parents, yet difficult to return them to their parents. Damn shame.
[Edited 7/10/18 9:51am]

the whole mess is egregious. to think that the families were seperated and then placed in detention without due diligence or proper paperwork.
then knowing that there are no files retained or identification cards distribute to all the detainees is worse than how the germans treated Jews during the holocaust.
at least the gestapo kept proper records and files.
wtf is wrong with trump?

Agree. He’s a racist and mentally unstable, that’s what’s wrong with him. Another sin committed by America. Does it ever stop? A shame that the migrants are not only being punished for crossing into America, they’re really being punished for being Brown and Black and crossing the border. Interesting in America’s past how they had no problem shopping many Brown and Black acoss tbe oceans to force them into slavery, physical abuse and rape.


STATUE OF LIBERTY:Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free....” But according to trump and his administration...if you’re Brown and Black and seeking asylum or have a desire to immigrate to America...don’t bother coming here.
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Reply #279 posted 07/10/18 2:42pm

2elijah

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:

 


 


They saw Trump as the one who would preserve "White Privilege" for them and their family. Obviously that was more important than seeing a woman advance in society 



Exactly. That’s why he uses the race card, and use Mexican immigrants, legal or illegal, as bait to blame them for crime in America, which is a bs lie. It’s his alarm for his white supporters to create fear in them, and lie to them about their opportunities being stolen by immigrants of color. His immigration issue is to keep more ’Brown and Black’ out of America. He wants the racial division to keep America more White. Many of his White supporters fell for his message, yet are being bamboozled, because no wall will keep America from becoming more Brown, no matter what s trump feeds them. He is feeding his supporters his own insecurities and fear of losing white privilege, that for so long has benefitted many within the White population.


This whle immigation stunt is so harmful and not even effective.  The census shows that the population is growing more for minorities (Hispanic, Asian, Black) than caucasians in this country. The minorities WILL be the majority - it *is* happening!


Absolutely. That’s why trump and many of his supporters are going crazy. They actually think that building a wall to prevent Brown and Black people from entering the U.S. legally or illegally, will stop that from happening. It won’t. It’s inevitable. It’s going to happen. America will turn Brown.

Many trump supporters are cheering trump on, because they think he can stop it, especially his white nationalist nutbags. He has his supporters so far up his ass, they can’t see they’re being used. All trump cares about is himself and the fact that he can tuck the title of president under his belt. This whole presidency is about himself because he is in love with ‘power and control.’
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Reply #280 posted 07/11/18 5:47am

poppys

The gov missed the deadline for reunification. They are still saying 3000 children. They also have to pay their own bond before they can get their kids.

https://www.msn.com/en-us...smsnnews11

Strangers raise $43K to help migrant mothers reunite with separated children

According to HHS's data released on June 25, children separated from their parents were in facilities scattered across sixteen states.

Itzep-Lopez's and Soch-tohom de Bulux's children were moved thousands of miles away from where their mothers were held in Arizona. Hundreds of strangers guide the way Itzep-Lopez arrived to the 1,596-bed Eloy Detention center on June 6, after spending 11 days eating soup and sleeping on a cold floor with only a Mylar blanket.

The following week, she had a credible-fear interview, the first of many steps to pursue asylum and relief from deportation.

By June 13, her domestic abuse case was deemed credible, and she was issued a bond, which would allow her to leave detention. Between tears Itzep-Lopez recounted when she found out her bond was $15,000.

“I became afraid,” Itzep-Lopez said in Spanish. “I saw it and I wanted to say, 'My dear God, with this, how I am going to leave? Holy Father, I want to see my children. I don’t have resources to pay this.'”

Reply #281 posted 07/11/18 6:49am

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

poppys said:

The gov missed the deadline for reunification. They are still saying 3000 children. They also have to pay their own bond before they can get their kids.

https://www.msn.com/en-us...smsnnews11

Strangers raise $43K to help migrant mothers reunite with separated children

According to HHS's data released on June 25, children separated from their parents were in facilities scattered across sixteen states.

Itzep-Lopez's and Soch-tohom de Bulux's children were moved thousands of miles away from where their mothers were held in Arizona. Hundreds of strangers guide the way Itzep-Lopez arrived to the 1,596-bed Eloy Detention center on June 6, after spending 11 days eating soup and sleeping on a cold floor with only a Mylar blanket.

The following week, she had a credible-fear interview, the first of many steps to pursue asylum and relief from deportation.

By June 13, her domestic abuse case was deemed credible, and she was issued a bond, which would allow her to leave detention. Between tears Itzep-Lopez recounted when she found out her bond was $15,000.

“I became afraid,” Itzep-Lopez said in Spanish. “I saw it and I wanted to say, 'My dear God, with this, how I am going to leave? Holy Father, I want to see my children. I don’t have resources to pay this.'”


wtf???!!! Most if not all come with the clothes on their backs and few possessions. Money is not one of them. disbelief

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Reply #282 posted 07/11/18 8:11am

2elijah

luv4u said:

 



poppys said:


The gov missed the deadline for reunification. They are still saying 3000 children. They also have to pay their own bond before they can get their kids.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/strangers-raise-dollar43k-to-help-migrant-mothers-reunite-with-separated-children/ar-AAzRxLf?OCID=ansmsnnews11


Strangers raise $43K to help migrant mothers reunite with separated children



According to HHS's data released on June 25, children separated from their parents were in facilities scattered across sixteen states.


 


Itzep-Lopez's and Soch-tohom de Bulux's children were moved thousands of miles away from where their mothers were held in Arizona. Hundreds of strangers guide the way Itzep-Lopez arrived to the 1,596-bed Eloy Detention center on June 6, after spending 11 days eating soup and sleeping on a cold floor with only a Mylar blanket.


The following week, she had a credible-fear interview, the first of many steps to pursue asylum and relief from deportation.


By June 13, her domestic abuse case was deemed credible, and she was issued a bond, which would allow her to leave detention. Between tears Itzep-Lopez recounted when she found out her bond was $15,000.


“I became afraid,” Itzep-Lopez said in Spanish. “I saw it and I wanted to say, 'My dear God, with this, how I am going to leave? Holy Father, I want to see my children. I don’t have resources to pay this.'”


 




wtf???!!!   Most if not all come with the clothes on their backs and few possessions.  Money is not one of them.  disbelief


Try explaining that to trump and his administration. They are the ones who gave the o.k. to separate the children from their parents.
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Reply #283 posted 07/11/18 8:13am

2freaky4church1

Bad Obama starting this.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #284 posted 07/11/18 9:59am

2elijah

2freaky4church1 said:

  Bad Obama starting this. 


He didn’t steal children. Trump and his administration is responsible for the separation of migrant parents from their children.
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Reply #285 posted 07/11/18 10:06am

13cjk13

2freaky4church1 said:

Bad Obama starting this.

Nice to keep that old right wing lie going. The pig's base thanks you.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #286 posted 07/11/18 11:42am

free2bFreeda2

as of June 2018
eek
drumpf-trump's neo "n-like" solution"S" for the detained and now displaced children/teens immigrants.

seems like some sort of mini warsaw in the making👀(
horrific and shameful.
[Edited 7/11/18 14:51pm]
federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #287 posted 07/11/18 2:02pm

free2bFreeda2

poppys said:

The gov missed the deadline for reunification. They are still saying 3000 children. They also have to pay their own bond before they can get their kids.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/strangers-raise-dollar43k-to-help-migrant-mothers-reunite-with-separated-children/ar-AAzRxLf?OCID=ansmsnnews11


Strangers raise $43K to help migrant mothers reunite with separated children



According to HHS's data released on June 25, children separated from their parents were in facilities scattered across sixteen states.


 


Itzep-Lopez's and Soch-tohom de Bulux's children were moved thousands of miles away from where their mothers were held in Arizona. Hundreds of strangers guide the way Itzep-Lopez arrived to the 1,596-bed Eloy Detention center on June 6, after spending 11 days eating soup and sleeping on a cold floor with only a Mylar blanket.


The following week, she had a credible-fear interview, the first of many steps to pursue asylum and relief from deportation.


By June 13, her domestic abuse case was deemed credible, and she was issued a bond, which would allow her to leave detention. Between tears Itzep-Lopez recounted when she found out her bond was $15,000.


“I became afraid,” Itzep-Lopez said in Spanish. “I saw it and I wanted to say, 'My dear God, with this, how I am going to leave? Holy Father, I want to see my children. I don’t have resources to pay this.'”


 


MG this whole situation seems so surreal.
considering the fact of the lack of correct record keeping documenting the names of each family including each related child & member in it's entirety is a large violation by trump's detainment center office boyz and girlz.

🤓
so how long will this drag on?
makes one wonder.
federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #288 posted 07/11/18 2:16pm

DiminutiveRocker

free2bFreeda2 said:

as of June 2018 eek drumpf-trump's neo "n-like" solution"S" for the detained and now displaced children/teens immigrants. seems like some sort of mini warsaw in the making👀). horrific and shameful. [Edited 7/11/18 11:45am]


I am sickened by the drumpf in every respect. sad

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #289 posted 07/12/18 6:19am

poppys

free2bFreeda2 said:

poppys said:

The gov missed the deadline for reunification. They are still saying 3000 children. They also have to pay their own bond before they can get their kids.

https://www.msn.com/en-us...smsnnews11

Strangers raise $43K to help migrant mothers reunite with separated children

According to HHS's data released on June 25, children separated from their parents were in facilities scattered across sixteen states.

Itzep-Lopez's and Soch-tohom de Bulux's children were moved thousands of miles away from where their mothers were held in Arizona. Hundreds of strangers guide the way Itzep-Lopez arrived to the 1,596-bed Eloy Detention center on June 6, after spending 11 days eating soup and sleeping on a cold floor with only a Mylar blanket.

The following week, she had a credible-fear interview, the first of many steps to pursue asylum and relief from deportation.

By June 13, her domestic abuse case was deemed credible, and she was issued a bond, which would allow her to leave detention. Between tears Itzep-Lopez recounted when she found out her bond was $15,000.

“I became afraid,” Itzep-Lopez said in Spanish. “I saw it and I wanted to say, 'My dear God, with this, how I am going to leave? Holy Father, I want to see my children. I don’t have resources to pay this.'”


MG this whole situation seems so surreal. considering the fact of the lack of correct record keeping documenting the names of each family including each related child & member in it's entirety is a large violation by trump's detainment center office boyz and girlz. 🤓 so how long will this drag on? makes one wonder.


It was done on purpose, it isn't incompetence.


Trump keeps saying this will keep people from coming here (from the Mexican border). They WANT to send this message and they are using the families/kids as collateral. It will drag on a long time. Some won't be reunified, all the red tape and confusion assures that. They also have at least 9000 children in detention from before the Zero Tolerance push waiting for their fate.

Meanwhile those privately owned tent cities are raking in US Gov dough at the rate of $775.00 per person per night. That's only what they're admitting to.

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Reply #290 posted 07/12/18 9:03am

lazycrockett

^Grifters gonna grift.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #291 posted 07/12/18 11:51am

jjhunsecker

If anyone can watch this, and not be on the verge of tears, they are one heartless motherfucker:

https://www.huffingtonpos...cd11c438e5

Reply #292 posted 07/12/18 11:55am

poppys

lazycrockett said:

^Grifters gonna grift.


Damn straight. heart your sig crockett, says it all.

Reply #293 posted 07/12/18 1:42pm

DiminutiveRocker

jjhunsecker said:

If anyone can watch this, and not be on the verge of tears, they are one heartless motherfucker:

https://www.huffingtonpos...cd11c438e5



sad so fucked up.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #294 posted 07/13/18 9:35am

free2bFreeda2

I've been curious as how the detainment holding facilities have been keeping the traumatized children under control. then I come across this:
: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texastribune.org/2018/06/20/immigrant-children-forcibly-injected-drugs-lawsuit-claims/amp/

Government-funded treatment center forcibly injected immigrant kids with drugs:
JUN 20 2018 | 4:15 PM
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Migrant children, traumatized from being detained under the Trump administration’s zero tolerance immigration policy, are being forcibly injected with powerful psychotropic drugs that can lead to movement disorders, cause obesity, and have other long-lasting, harmful effects on children, according to new legal filings.

Children held at Shiloh Treatment Center, a government-funded facility in Manvel, Texas, described being placed on multiple psychotropic medications without their parents’ consent.

wow!
all these children are being drugged while the potus recently spoke out against america's problem with the abuse of pharmaceutical drugs?

[Edited 7/13/18 9:47am]
federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #295 posted 07/13/18 9:55am

DiminutiveRocker

free2bFreeda2 said:

I've been curious as how the detainment holding facilities have been keeping the traumatized children under control. then I come across this: : https://www.google.com/am...laims/amp/ Government-funded treatment center forcibly injected immigrant kids with drugs: JUN 20 2018 | 4:15 PM - Migrant children, traumatized from being detained under the Trump administration’s zero tolerance immigration policy, are being forcibly injected with powerful psychotropic drugs that can lead to movement disorders, cause obesity, and have other long-lasting, harmful effects on children, according to new legal filings. Children held at Shiloh Treatment Center, a government-funded facility in Manvel, Texas, described being placed on multiple psychotropic medications without their parents’ consent. wow! all these children are being drugged while the potus recently spoke out against america's problem with the abuse of pharmaceutical drugs? [Edited 7/13/18 9:47am]


Can it get any worse? neutral

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #296 posted 07/13/18 10:11am

poppys

jjhunsecker said:

If anyone can watch this, and not be on the verge of tears, they are one heartless motherfucker:

https://www.huffingtonpos...cd11c438e5


Yes, I am choking up. How extra cruel to make her put her non-verbal child in a car seat to take him away and then slam the door before she could comfort him. They are approaching Sophie's Choice territory here.

With all the thousands of dollars they are charging them to get their children back, if you have more than one in detention it really could come down to that. disbelief

Reply #297 posted 07/13/18 10:34am

free2bFreeda2

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



free2bFreeda2 said:


I've been curious as how the detainment holding facilities have been keeping the traumatized children under control. then I come across this: : https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texastribune.org/2018/06/20/immigrant-children-forcibly-injected-drugs-lawsuit-claims/amp/ Government-funded treatment center forcibly injected immigrant kids with drugs: JUN 20 2018 | 4:15 PM - Migrant children, traumatized from being detained under the Trump administration’s zero tolerance immigration policy, are being forcibly injected with powerful psychotropic drugs that can lead to movement disorders, cause obesity, and have other long-lasting, harmful effects on children, according to new legal filings. Children held at Shiloh Treatment Center, a government-funded facility in Manvel, Texas, described being placed on multiple psychotropic medications without their parents’ consent. wow! all these children are being drugged while the potus recently spoke out against america's problem with the abuse of pharmaceutical drugs? [Edited 7/13/18 9:47am]


Can it get any worse?  neutral


many are trying to make things right.

dated:
June 21 2018
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federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #298 posted 07/13/18 11:18am

poppys

A Caravan Of Grandmothers Plans To Go To The Mexico Border To Support Migrants

https://www.good.is/articles/grannies-respond-granny-caravan-border-migrants

Grannies Respond/Abuelas Responden is a movement of grandmothers and their allies who have been similarly spurred to action by the humanitarian crisis unfolding on the southern U.S. border. Over six days, beginning July 31, 2018, their caravan will journey more than 2,000 miles, onboarding other “grannies” along the way. They will host rallies in strategic political districts in cities along the way to protest the Trump administration’s zero tolerance policy for immigrants and asylum seekers.

Beginning with a rally in New York City, Grannies Respond was planning to make stops in Reading and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; Louisville, Kentucky; Montgomery, Alabama; New Orleans, Louisiana; and Houston, Texas before finally reaching a detainment facility in either McAllen or Brownsville, Texas.

Reply #299 posted 07/13/18 1:15pm

Camileyun

Wow, Trump Derangement Syndrome is rampant on this thread. Are people too unhinged to understand that, if you don't like the law, change it? The Trump name calling and dog piling is getting old (and he was not my choice), but we are a country of laws (even though some seem to be above it lately). Not everyone on the right are bigotted homophobes and not everyone on the left are socialist, ignorant nutjobs. Stop falling into the traps of not believing that most people want what is best for everyone, we just disagree on what it takes to get there. We're being manipulated by people who want money and power.
Reply #300 posted 07/13/18 1:21pm

13cjk13

Camileyun said:

Wow, Trump Derangement Syndrome is rampant on this thread. Are people too unhinged to understand that, if you don't like the law, change it? The Trump name calling and dog piling is getting old (and he was not my choice), but we are a country of laws (even though some seem to be above it lately). Not everyone on the right are bigotted homophobes and not everyone on the left are socialist, ignorant nutjobs. Stop falling into the traps of not believing that most people want what is best for everyone, we just disagree on what it takes to get there. We're being manipulated by people who want money and power.

Please pay attention to what this monster does and says every day. It is disgusting, unbelievable and should NEVER be ignored. Moreover, it appears that EVERY single supporter of this beast IS a bigotted homophobe, racist, and misogynist. They prove it every, single day.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #301 posted 07/13/18 2:09pm

poppys

13cjk13 said:

Camileyun said:

Wow, Trump Derangement Syndrome is rampant on this thread. Are people too unhinged to understand that, if you don't like the law, change it? The Trump name calling and dog piling is getting old (and he was not my choice), but we are a country of laws (even though some seem to be above it lately). Not everyone on the right are bigotted homophobes and not everyone on the left are socialist, ignorant nutjobs. Stop falling into the traps of not believing that most people want what is best for everyone, we just disagree on what it takes to get there. We're being manipulated by people who want money and power.


Please pay attention to what this monster does and says every day. It is disgusting, unbelievable and should NEVER be ignored. Moreover, it appears that EVERY single supporter of this beast IS a bigotted homophobe, racist, and misogynist. They prove it every, single day.


Do you have any pearls of wisdom about how we should quietly change Trump's Zero Tolerance policy and what is going on right now at the border with Mexico, Camileyun??? Anything about the topic of this thread?

Otherwise, we are going to complain our asses off for as long as it takes to get this motherfucker out of power, Capiche? Stick your fingers in your ears or just don't read the thread.

See the source image

Reply #302 posted 07/13/18 2:50pm

DiminutiveRocker

Camileyun said:

Wow, Trump Derangement Syndrome is rampant on this thread. Are people too unhinged to understand that, if you don't like the law, change it? The Trump name calling and dog piling is getting old (and he was not my choice), but we are a country of laws (even though some seem to be above it lately). Not everyone on the right are bigotted homophobes and not everyone on the left are socialist, ignorant nutjobs. Stop falling into the traps of not believing that most people want what is best for everyone, we just disagree on what it takes to get there. We're being manipulated by people who want money and power.

No shit. And number one on that list of "people who want money and power" is Trump and anyone not supporting him and his policies knows this is a given.

Are you going to contribute something thoughtful and profound to the topic of this thread? I'd like to know exactly what you think is "best for everyone" and what does it "take to get there" in your opinion?

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #303 posted 07/13/18 7:18pm

2elijah

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



Camileyun said:


Wow, Trump Derangement Syndrome is rampant on this thread. Are people too unhinged to understand that, if you don't like the law, change it? The Trump name calling and dog piling is getting old (and he was not my choice), but we are a country of laws (even though some seem to be above it lately). Not everyone on the right are bigotted homophobes and not everyone on the left are socialist, ignorant nutjobs. Stop falling into the traps of not believing that most people want what is best for everyone, we just disagree on what it takes to get there. We're being manipulated by people who want money and power.

 


No shit. And number one on that list of "people who want money and power" is Trump and anyone not supporting him and his policies knows this is a given.

Are you going to contribute something thoughtful and profound to the topic of this thread?  I'd like to know exactly what you think is "best for everyone" and what does it "take to get there" in your opinion?


@bolded part. Exactly. Yet trump is the deranged one, who continues to degrade/insult certain Americans and non-Americans in public, and gets a pass from many of his supporters who are not exactly ‘fine people.’

There is certainly no crime in calling out trump for his racist rhetoric, nastiness and childish behavior. Not exactly the type of behavior one expects from a president of the United States, no matter what political party one supports.
[Edited 7/13/18 19:24pm]
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Reply #304 posted 07/13/18 7:30pm

Camileyun

DiminutiveRocker said:[quote]

 



Camileyun said:


Wow, Trump Derangement Syndrome is rampant on this thread. Are people too unhinged to understand that, if you don't like the law, change it? The Trump name calling and dog piling is getting old (and he was not my choice), but we are a country of laws (even though some seem to be above it lately). Not everyone on the right are bigotted homophobes and not everyone on the left are socialist, ignorant nutjobs. Stop falling into the traps of not believing that most people want what is best for everyone, we just disagree on what it takes to get there. We're being manipulated by people who want money and power.

 


No shit. And number one on that list of "people who want money and power" is Trump and anyone not supporting him and his policies knows this is a given.

Are you going to contribute something thoughtful and profound to the topic of this thread?  I'd like to know exactly what you think is "best for everyone" and what does it "take to get there" in your opinion?

[/quote
Hey, right back attacha'. You want to discuss facts, or do you want to continue being an asshole? I did not support Trump, so bite me. But I do my own research, and don' t listen to the constant "Trump 's an asshole, everyone's a racist, blah, blah ,blah, ignorant drumbeat". I can see facts don't matter around here, so back to your intolerant hate...
Reply #305 posted 07/13/18 8:04pm

lazycrockett

“Allowing the immigration to take place in Europe is a shame,” Trump said. “I think it changed the fabric of Europe and, unless you act very quickly, it’s never going to be what it was and I don’t mean that in a positive way.

“So I think allowing millions and millions of people to come into Europe is very, very sad,” he continued. “I think you are losing your culture. Look around. You go through certain areas that didn’t exist ten or 15 years ago.”

That's' not a dog whistle.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #306 posted 07/13/18 8:45pm

lazycrockett

https://talkingpointsmemo...r-industry

SAN ANTONIO (AP) — Detaining immigrant children has morphed into a surging industry in the U.S. that now reaps $1 billion annually — a tenfold increase over the past decade, an Associated Press analysis finds.

Health and Human Services grants for shelters, foster care and other child welfare services for detained unaccompanied and separated children soared from $74.5 million in 2007 to $958 million in 2017. The agency is also reviewing a new round of proposals amid a growing effort by the White House to keep immigrant children in government custody.

Its all bout the money.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #307 posted 07/13/18 10:30pm

13cjk13

Camileyun said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Camileyun said:

Wow, Trump Derangement Syndrome is rampant on this thread. Are people too unhinged to understand that, if you don't like the law, change it? The Trump name calling and dog piling is getting old (and he was not my choice), but we are a country of laws (even though some seem to be above it lately). Not everyone on the right are bigotted homophobes and not everyone on the left are socialist, ignorant nutjobs. Stop falling into the traps of not believing that most people want what is best for everyone, we just disagree on what it takes to get there. We're being manipulated by people who want money and power.

No shit. And number one on that list of "people who want money and power" is Trump and anyone not supporting him and his policies knows this is a given.

Are you going to contribute something thoughtful and profound to the topic of this thread? I'd like to know exactly what you think is "best for everyone" and what does it "take to get there" in your opinion?

[/quote Hey, right back attacha'. You want to discuss facts, or do you want to continue being an asshole? I did not support Trump, so bite me. But I do my own research, and don' t listen to the constant "Trump 's an asshole, everyone's a racist, blah, blah ,blah, ignorant drumbeat". I can see facts don't matter around here, so back to your intolerant hate...

Trump is garbage, and Trump is a cunt. Deal with it.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #308 posted 07/13/18 10:31pm

13cjk13

Camileyun said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Camileyun said:

Wow, Trump Derangement Syndrome is rampant on this thread. Are people too unhinged to understand that, if you don't like the law, change it? The Trump name calling and dog piling is getting old (and he was not my choice), but we are a country of laws (even though some seem to be above it lately). Not everyone on the right are bigotted homophobes and not everyone on the left are socialist, ignorant nutjobs. Stop falling into the traps of not believing that most people want what is best for everyone, we just disagree on what it takes to get there. We're being manipulated by people who want money and power.

No shit. And number one on that list of "people who want money and power" is Trump and anyone not supporting him and his policies knows this is a given.

Are you going to contribute something thoughtful and profound to the topic of this thread? I'd like to know exactly what you think is "best for everyone" and what does it "take to get there" in your opinion?

[/quote Hey, right back attacha'. You want to discuss facts, or do you want to continue being an asshole? I did not support Trump, so bite me. But I do my own research, and don' t listen to the constant "Trump 's an asshole, everyone's a racist, blah, blah ,blah, ignorant drumbeat". I can see facts don't matter around here, so back to your intolerant hate...

Fuck Trump.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #309 posted 07/13/18 10:32pm

DiminutiveRocker

Camileyun said:


Camileyun said:

Wow, Trump Derangement Syndrome is rampant on this thread. Are people too unhinged to understand that, if you don't like the law, change it? The Trump name calling and dog piling is getting old (and he was not my choice), but we are a country of laws (even though some seem to be above it lately). Not everyone on the right are bigotted homophobes and not everyone on the left are socialist, ignorant nutjobs. Stop falling into the traps of not believing that most people want what is best for everyone, we just disagree on what it takes to get there. We're being manipulated by people who want money and power.

No shit. And number one on that list of "people who want money and power" is Trump and anyone not supporting him and his policies knows this is a given.

Are you going to contribute something thoughtful and profound to the topic of this thread? I'd like to know exactly what you think is "best for everyone" and what does it "take to get there" in your opinion?

[/quote Hey, right back attacha'. You want to discuss facts, or do you want to continue being an asshole? I did not support Trump, so bite me. But I do my own research, and don' t listen to the constant "Trump 's an asshole, everyone's a racist, blah, blah ,blah, ignorant drumbeat". I can see facts don't matter around here, so back to your intolerant hate...

DiminutiveRocker said:

A) Learn how to respond to a post and quote properly - it's really not that difficult

B) I'm the "asshole" ? spit

C) Just as I thought - you have ZERO thoughts to contribute on the thread topic.



Thanks for playing - have a nice day biggrin

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #310 posted 07/13/18 10:33pm

DiminutiveRocker

13cjk13 said:

Camileyun said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Fuck Trump.


lol her/his ineptitude has messed up the quotes! falloff

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"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #311 posted 07/14/18 5:44am

2elijah

Camileyun said:[quote]DiminutiveRocker said:[quote]

 



Camileyun said:


Wow, Trump Derangement Syndrome is rampant on this thread. Are people too unhinged to understand that, if you don't like the law, change it? The Trump name calling and dog piling is getting old (and he was not my choice), but we are a country of laws (even though some seem to be above it lately). Not everyone on the right are bigotted homophobes and not everyone on the left are socialist, ignorant nutjobs. Stop falling into the traps of not believing that most people want what is best for everyone, we just disagree on what it takes to get there. We're being manipulated by people who want money and power.

 



DiminutiveRocker said


No shit. And number one on that list of "people who want money and power" is Trump and anyone not supporting him and his policies knows this is a given.

Are you going to contribute something thoughtful and profound to the topic of this thread?  I'd like to know exactly what you think is "best for everyone" and what does it "take to get there" in your opinion?



Camileyun said:


Hey, right back attacha'. You want to discuss facts, or do you want to continue being an asshole? I did not support Trump, so bite me. But I do my own research, and don' t listen to the constant "Trump 's an asshole, everyone's a racist, blah, blah ,blah, ignorant drumbeat". I can see facts don't matter around here, so back to your intolerant hate...



Okay Camileyun, but you seem to know the facts that he is a racist asshole, power hungry, self-absorbed control freak, who has a long history of expressing his hatred and insecurities towards people of color and his disrespect and degradation of women. So what is your real issue with others here discussing those ‘researched’ facts about trump?

Why would you choose to enter this thread if it makes you uncomfortable? None of us here forced you. The discussion on trump will apparently continue, and you’re welcome to express your views, but rest assure, we will too. Welcome to our party. comfort
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Reply #312 posted 07/14/18 6:45am

poppys

lazycrockett said:

“Allowing the immigration to take place in Europe is a shame,” Trump said. “I think it changed the fabric of Europe and, unless you act very quickly, it’s never going to be what it was and I don’t mean that in a positive way.

“So I think allowing millions and millions of people to come into Europe is very, very sad,” he continued. “I think you are losing your culture. Look around. You go through certain areas that didn’t exist ten or 15 years ago.”

That's not a dog whistle.


See the source image

Reply #313 posted 07/14/18 6:54am

poppys

lazycrockett said:

https://talkingpointsmemo...r-industry

SAN ANTONIO (AP) — Detaining immigrant children has morphed into a surging industry in the U.S. that now reaps $1 billion annually — a tenfold increase over the past decade, an Associated Press analysis finds.

Health and Human Services grants for shelters, foster care and other child welfare services for detained unaccompanied and separated children soared from $74.5 million in 2007 to $958 million in 2017. The agency is also reviewing a new round of proposals amid a growing effort by the White House to keep immigrant children in government custody.

Its all bout the money.


Yep, with the added thrill of ruining the lives of innocents.

Reply #314 posted 07/14/18 8:45am

DiminutiveRocker

poppys said:

lazycrockett said:

https://talkingpointsmemo...r-industry

SAN ANTONIO (AP) — Detaining immigrant children has morphed into a surging industry in the U.S. that now reaps $1 billion annually — a tenfold increase over the past decade, an Associated Press analysis finds.

Health and Human Services grants for shelters, foster care and other child welfare services for detained unaccompanied and separated children soared from $74.5 million in 2007 to $958 million in 2017. The agency is also reviewing a new round of proposals amid a growing effort by the White House to keep immigrant children in government custody.

Its all bout the money.


Yep, with the added thrill of ruining the lives of innocents.


Do I undertand this correctly... the government (HHS) is giving grants to these foster agencies and dentention centers to keep all these children in government custody - so, this is tax payer money beging used to separate these families indefinitely?

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #315 posted 07/14/18 9:06am

2elijah

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



poppys said:


 



lazycrockett said:


https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/detaining-immigrant-children-is-now-a-billion-dollar-industry


 


 


SAN ANTONIO (AP) — Detaining immigrant children has morphed into a surging industry in the U.S. that now reaps $1 billion annually — a tenfold increase over the past decade, an Associated Press analysis finds.


Health and Human Services grants for shelters, foster care and other child welfare services for detained unaccompanied and separated children soared from $74.5 million in 2007 to $958 million in 2017. The agency is also reviewing a new round of proposals amid a growing effort by the White House to keep immigrant children in government custody.


 


 


 


 


 


Its all bout the money.  




Yep, with the added thrill of ruining the lives of innocents.




Do I undertand this correctly...  the government (HHS) is giving grants to these foster agencies and dentention centers to keep all these children in government custody - so, this is tax payer money beging used to separate these families indefinitely? 


Yet many repubs and conservs complain about how our tax dollars are spent? Are some of the detention centers privately owned? If yes, then that would remind
me of the greedy, private prison contractors who have benefitted from tax payers’ dollars.

America’s new slavery-for-profit, stealing and then profiting from Brown and Black migrant/immigrant children. This country seems to find all kinds of ways to upgrade slavery doesn’t it? Can you just imagine how many private contractors (with questionable intentions) may build shelters and detention centers to profit from these children and American tax dollars? Is that the plan?

Yet many repubs/conservs and trump push the bs to Americans, that immigration is stealing opportunities from Americans, yet here they are, using immigration to profit from these children and American tax dollars. Smh.

After all, slavery’s profits is what built America.
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Reply #316 posted 07/14/18 9:27am

poppys

2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Do I undertand this correctly... the government (HHS) is giving grants to these foster agencies and dentention centers to keep all these children in government custody - so, this is tax payer money beging used to separate these families indefinitely?


Yet many repubs and conservs complain about how our tax dollars are spent? Are some of the detention centers privately owned? If yes, then that would remind me of the greedy, private prison contractors benefitting off tax payers’ dollars. America’s new slavery-for-profit, stealing Brown and Black migrant/immigrant children.


disbelief Exactly. Private contractors. And we still have the old ones. Another pay to warehouse people scheme. Children they don't want to contribute or vote and are making an example of. It's really genocide, isn't it?

That part of Trump's speech Crockett posted about Europe being ruined by immigration in the last 15 years makes me shiver. He has a world platform to call on these kinds of dogs who agree with that. These are scary times for words.

Reply #317 posted 07/14/18 11:59am

free2bFreeda2

lazycrockett said:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/detaining-immigrant-children-is-now-a-billion-dollar-industry


 


 


SAN ANTONIO (AP) — Detaining immigrant children has morphed into a surging industry in the U.S. that now reaps $1 billion annually — a tenfold increase over the past decade, an Associated Press analysis finds.


Health and Human Services grants for shelters, foster care and other child welfare services for detained unaccompanied and separated children soared from $74.5 million in 2007 to $958 million in 2017. The agency is also reviewing a new round of proposals amid a growing effort by the White House to keep immigrant children in government custody.


 


 



 


 


 


Its all bout the money.  


i really wish someone could expose the names of the pharmaceutical companies that are under government contract for supplying the detention centers with the many types of psycho active medications.
also the names of the doctors who make the decisions of what drugs should be administered to the children in the immigrant detention centers.
this info should be made public.
[Edited 7/14/18 12:02pm]
federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #318 posted 07/14/18 1:43pm

2elijah

poppys said:

 



2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:

 



Do I undertand this correctly...  the government (HHS) is giving grants to these foster agencies and dentention centers to keep all these children in government custody - so, this is tax payer money beging used to separate these families indefinitely? 




Yet many repubs and conservs complain about how our tax dollars are spent? Are some of the detention centers privately owned? If yes, then that would remind me of the greedy, private prison contractors benefitting off tax payers’ dollars. America’s new slavery-for-profit, stealing Brown and Black migrant/immigrant children. 



disbelief Exactly. Private contractors. And we still have the old ones. Another pay to warehouse people scheme. Children they don't want to contribute or vote and are making an example of. It's really genocide, isn't it?

That part of Trump's speech Crockett posted about Europe being ruined by immigration in the last 15 years makes me shiver. He has a world platform to call on these kinds of dogs who agree with that. These are scary times for words.


Ethnic cleansing at its worst. It seems trump and Putin hold the same prejudiced views on immigration. It’s like the racist views of many of trump’s white nationalists’ supporters. It also seems the separation was intentional and a profit scheme behind it all.

Let’s hope this is a major wake-up call that will have the masses out voting trump out of office. It seems like this whole issue with forcing children from migrant parents and making it difficult to return them, was definitely a tactic planned well ahead of time. Doesn’t seem like it was only just to punish the parents though.

It just seems like it leaves the possibility of another prison/slavery-for-profit system, if there wasn’t a major outcry from the public, the media, etc., for how those children were separated from their parents, and kept in shelters and some in detention centers. The question is, what is going to happen to the unaccompanied children/minors who came here without their parents?
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Reply #319 posted 07/15/18 9:18am

poppys

free2bFreeda2 said:

lazycrockett said:

https://talkingpointsmemo...r-industry

SAN ANTONIO (AP) — Detaining immigrant children has morphed into a surging industry in the U.S. that now reaps $1 billion annually — a tenfold increase over the past decade, an Associated Press analysis finds.

Health and Human Services grants for shelters, foster care and other child welfare services for detained unaccompanied and separated children soared from $74.5 million in 2007 to $958 million in 2017. The agency is also reviewing a new round of proposals amid a growing effort by the White House to keep immigrant children in government custody.

Its all bout the money.


i really wish someone could expose the names of the pharmaceutical companies that are under government contract for supplying the detention centers with the many types of psycho active medications. also the names of the doctors who make the decisions of what drugs should be administered to the children in the immigrant detention centers. this info should be made public.


No one can get in there. We need whistleblowers more than ever.

Reply #320 posted 07/15/18 3:50pm

SoulAlive

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Reply #321 posted 07/15/18 4:37pm

CherryMoon57

sad

Cleaning Toilets, Following Rules: A Migrant Child’s Days in Detention

A portrait of life in the shelters for the children detained after crossing the U.S.-Mexico border.


'Apart from worrying about when he would see his mother again, Diego said that he was not afraid, because he always behaved. He knew to watch for a staff member “who was not a good guy.” He had seen what happened to Adonias, a small boy from Guatemala who had fits and threw things around.


“They applied injections because he was very agitated,” Diego said. “He would destroy things.”

A person he described as “the doctor” injected Adonias in the middle of a class, Diego said. “He would fall asleep.” '


------------> https://www.nytimes.com/2...;smtyp=cur



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Reply #322 posted 07/15/18 7:10pm

free2bFreeda2

poppys said:

 



free2bFreeda2 said:


lazycrockett said:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/detaining-immigrant-children-is-now-a-billion-dollar-industry


 


 


SAN ANTONIO (AP) — Detaining immigrant children has morphed into a surging industry in the U.S. that now reaps $1 billion annually — a tenfold increase over the past decade, an Associated Press analysis finds.


Health and Human Services grants for shelters, foster care and other child welfare services for detained unaccompanied and separated children soared from $74.5 million in 2007 to $958 million in 2017. The agency is also reviewing a new round of proposals amid a growing effort by the White House to keep immigrant children in government custody.


 


Its all bout the money.  




i really wish someone could expose the names of the pharmaceutical companies that are under government contract for supplying the detention centers with the many types of psycho active medications. also the names of the doctors who make the decisions of what drugs should be administered to the children in the immigrant detention centers. this info should be made public.
 


No one can get in there. We need whistleblowers more than ever.


read this..try not to weep
Drugging and Restraint Use on Migrant Children
: https://www.cchrint.org/2018/07/05/drugging-and-restraint-use-on-migrant-children/
July 5 2018

excerpt:
Ruíz-Nazario’s name appears on various court documents that allege troubling practices, including affidavits in which children claim they were tackled and injected and forced to take pills identified as vitamins that made them dizzy and drowsy. Many of the records specifically name Ruíz-Nazario as the doctor who prescribed the drugs.

The psychiatrist has received payments from drug companies that manufacture psychotropic drugs being given to children at Shiloh. Between 2012 and 2015, he billed Medicare Part D, a total of $1.5 million for psychotropic drugs. Among his top drugs prescribed, duloxetine HCL, the sedative-hypnotic clonazepam, the antipsychotics Invega Sustenna (Janssen Pharmaceuticals, the manufacturer of Risperdal) and quetiapine (generic of Seroquel).
as time moves forward a lot of information will be exposed related to all this horrendous and shameful child abuse poured upon these detained/incarcerated/forcibly drugged children and youths by adult u. s. citizens. i hope it will happen sooner than very soon
federal judge says, "there is evidence that president "harbors an animus against non-white, non-European aliens which influenced his ... decision : https://www.yahoo.com/new...itics.html
Reply #323 posted 07/16/18 2:05am

CherryMoon57

^free2bfreeda2, the other article also mentioned the drugs, I have edited my post above to include the related quote. This is highly concerning.

[Edited 7/16/18 2:12am]

Reply #324 posted 07/16/18 1:54pm

DiminutiveRocker

Any updates on this mass reunification of families? We are all so distracted by Trump's overseas antics that this story seems a bit lost. neutral

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #325 posted 07/16/18 2:19pm

poppys

free2bFreeda2 said:

poppys said:


No one can get in there. We need whistleblowers more than ever.

read this..try not to weep Drugging and Restraint Use on Migrant Children : https://www.cchrint.org/2...-children/ July 5 2018 excerpt: Ruíz-Nazario’s name appears on various court documents that allege troubling practices, including affidavits in which children claim they were tackled and injected and forced to take pills identified as vitamins that made them dizzy and drowsy. Many of the records specifically name Ruíz-Nazario as the doctor who prescribed the drugs. The psychiatrist has received payments from drug companies that manufacture psychotropic drugs being given to children at Shiloh. Between 2012 and 2015, he billed Medicare Part D, a total of $1.5 million for psychotropic drugs. Among his top drugs prescribed, duloxetine HCL, the sedative-hypnotic clonazepam, the antipsychotics Invega Sustenna (Janssen Pharmaceuticals, the manufacturer of Risperdal) and quetiapine (generic of Seroquel). as time moves forward a lot of information will be exposed related to all this horrendous and shameful child abuse poured upon these detained/incarcerated/forcibly drugged children and youths by adult u. s. citizens. i hope it will happen sooner than very soon


Yes. It is horrifying. Trump's No Tolerance brought to light many abuses that have been going on. It really isn't that big of a surprise. We have a history of using prisoners as guinea pigs, noted earlier in the thread.

https://www.pbs.org/newsh...eshow-code

Most of the experiments are 40 to 80 years old, and included giving hepatitis to mental patients in Connecticut, squirting a pandemic flu virus up the noses of prisoners in Maryland, and injecting cancer cells into chronically ill people at a New York hospital. Stobbe and his researchers uncovered 40 ethically dubious experiments by combing through medical journals and news reports at the time.

Stobbe began researching this article in October, after the U.S. government revealed its researchers gave syphilis to hundreds of Guatemalan prisoners in the 1940s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...experiment

The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male, also known as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study or Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment (/tʌsˈkiːɡiː/tus-KEE-ghee)[1] was an infamous, unethical, and malicious clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service. The purpose of this study was to observe the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African-American men in Alabama under the guise of receiving free health care from the United States government.[1

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Reply #326 posted 07/16/18 8:23pm

purplethunder3121

Image result for deport trump to russia

"If you're living, you've got nothing left to prove..."
Reply #327 posted 07/17/18 7:21am

DiminutiveRocker

purplethunder3121 said:

Image result for deport trump to russia



Nice! biggrin

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #328 posted 07/17/18 7:25am

DiminutiveRocker

Oh for the love of God....



https://www.cnn.com/2018/...ndex.html



With a deadline looming, the US can't find parents of 71 children it may have separated

What's the latest?

-- The US government hasn't been able to find the parents of 71 children who were likely separated from their families, a Health and Human Services official said Monday.
"There are some children who we believe are separated for whom we have not yet identified the parent," said Jonathan White, HHS assistant secretary for preparedness and response.
"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #329 posted 07/17/18 7:36am

2freaky4church1

What about Melaria?

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #330 posted 07/17/18 9:02am

purplethunder3121

DiminutiveRocker said:

Oh for the love of God....



https://www.cnn.com/2018/...ndex.html



With a deadline looming, the US can't find parents of 71 children it may have separated

What's the latest?

-- The US government hasn't been able to find the parents of 71 children who were likely separated from their families, a Health and Human Services official said Monday.
"There are some children who we believe are separated for whom we have not yet identified the parent," said Jonathan White, HHS assistant secretary for preparedness and response.

Massive human rights violations... confused

"If you're living, you've got nothing left to prove..."
Reply #331 posted 07/20/18 7:42am

DiminutiveRocker

purplethunder3121 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Oh for the love of God....



https://www.cnn.com/2018/...ndex.html



With a deadline looming, the US can't find parents of 71 children it may have separated

What's the latest?

-- The US government hasn't been able to find the parents of 71 children who were likely separated from their families, a Health and Human Services official said Monday.
"There are some children who we believe are separated for whom we have not yet identified the parent," said Jonathan White, HHS assistant secretary for preparedness and response.

Massive human rights violations... confused




Deadline to return ALL the children is looming....

I was on FB and saw a meme pocture of young hispanic men climbing a wall and the caption said something like, "if you do not want to get arrested don't cross the boarder" ---- but MANY if not all of these recent arrests wherein children were taken were at legitimate ports of entry where people were tryign to seek asylum in this country. *THAT* is the kind of propaganda that misleads and spreads fear and fans the flames of xenophobia.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #332 posted 07/20/18 7:54am

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Massive human rights violations... confused




Deadline to return ALL the children is looming....

I was on FB and saw a meme pocture of young hispanic men climbing a wall and the caption said something like, "if you do not want to get arrested don't cross the boarder" ---- but MANY if not all of these recent arrests wherein children were taken were at legitimate ports of entry where people were tryign to seek asylum in this country. *THAT* is the kind of propaganda that misleads and spreads fear and fans the flames of xenophobia.

Yes, but I don't think the people supporting the wall care about legal immigration either. It's already been shown that most illegals come here on planes and never leave. Trump's stupid wall is symbolic for the most part, but it did the trick. And it targets poor brown people, of course. wall


This is the second deadline they will miss. I'm sure there will be more.

Reply #333 posted 07/20/18 4:19pm

DiminutiveRocker

poppys said:

DiminutiveRocker said:




Deadline to return ALL the children is looming....

I was on FB and saw a meme pocture of young hispanic men climbing a wall and the caption said something like, "if you do not want to get arrested don't cross the boarder" ---- but MANY if not all of these recent arrests wherein children were taken were at legitimate ports of entry where people were tryign to seek asylum in this country. *THAT* is the kind of propaganda that misleads and spreads fear and fans the flames of xenophobia.

Yes, but I don't think the people supporting the wall care about legal immigration either. It's already been shown that most illegals come here on planes and never leave. Trump's stupid wall is symbolic for the most part, but it did the trick. And it targets poor brown people, of course. wall


This is the second deadline they will miss. I'm sure there will be more.

neutral UGH! I cannot believe how fucked up this is. There is a rally tomorrow in LA... I might have to go vent among my fellow outraged citizens









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"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #334 posted 07/24/18 5:09pm

DiminutiveRocker

mad


The Trump administration was preparing to tell a federal court that more than 450 migrant parents whose children were separated from them are no longer in the U.S.
Immigrant advocates said many parents signed forms they didn’t understand, or agreed to be deported because they thought it would allow rapid reunifications with their children. Essentially, they did not realize they were leaving their children behind.

[Edited 7/24/18 17:09pm]

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #335 posted 07/25/18 1:09pm

DiminutiveRocker

bumpit I do not want this to fall off the radar - parents have bene deported without their children sad












[Edited 7/25/18 13:10pm]

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #336 posted 07/25/18 2:05pm

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

bumpit I do not want this to fall off the radar - parents have bene deported without their children sad


grouphug These unfortunate people are being used and abused for political purposes. grouphug

Reply #337 posted 07/25/18 4:09pm

DiminutiveRocker

poppys said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

bumpit I do not want this to fall off the radar - parents have bene deported without their children sad


grouphug These unfortunate people are being used and abused for political purposes. grouphug


This SHOULD be Trump's legacy in the history books - separating children and deporting their parents without them.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #338 posted 07/29/18 9:12am

poppys

http://www.chicagotribune...tory.html#

Trump willing to shut down government over border security

Donald Trump,Melania Trump

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump arrive on Air Force One at Morristown Municipal Airport, in Morristown, N.J., Friday, July 27, 2018, en route to Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J.

(Carolyn Kaster / AP)

Darlene SupervilleAssociated Press

President Donald Trump said Sunday he'd be willing to shut down the government if Democrats refuse to vote for his immigration proposals, including building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

"I would be willing to 'shut down' government if the Democrats do not give us the votes for Border Security, which includes the Wall!" Trump tweeted. "Must get rid of Lottery, Catch & Release etc.
and finally go to system of Immigration based on MERIT!

"We need great people coming into our Country!" Trump said.

Trump returned to the idea of shutting down the government over the border wall just days after meeting at the White House with House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to discuss the fall legislative agenda.

Reply #339 posted 07/29/18 9:16am

PennyPurple

poppys said:

http://www.chicagotribune...tory.html#

Trump willing to shut down government over border security

Donald Trump,Melania Trump

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump arrive on Air Force One at Morristown Municipal Airport, in Morristown, N.J., Friday, July 27, 2018, en route to Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J.

(Carolyn Kaster / AP)

Darlene SupervilleAssociated Press

President Donald Trump said Sunday he'd be willing to shut down the government if Democrats refuse to vote for his immigration proposals, including building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

"I would be willing to 'shut down' government if the Democrats do not give us the votes for Border Security, which includes the Wall!" Trump tweeted. "Must get rid of Lottery, Catch & Release etc.
and finally go to system of Immigration based on MERIT!

"We need great people coming into our Country!" Trump said.

Trump returned to the idea of shutting down the government over the border wall just days after meeting at the White House with House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to discuss the fall legislative agenda.

I am so sick of this asshole.

Reply #340 posted 07/29/18 10:00am

13cjk13

PennyPurple said:

poppys said:

http://www.chicagotribune...tory.html#

Trump willing to shut down government over border security

Donald Trump,Melania Trump

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump arrive on Air Force One at Morristown Municipal Airport, in Morristown, N.J., Friday, July 27, 2018, en route to Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J.

(Carolyn Kaster / AP)

Darlene SupervilleAssociated Press

President Donald Trump said Sunday he'd be willing to shut down the government if Democrats refuse to vote for his immigration proposals, including building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

"I would be willing to 'shut down' government if the Democrats do not give us the votes for Border Security, which includes the Wall!" Trump tweeted. "Must get rid of Lottery, Catch & Release etc.
and finally go to system of Immigration based on MERIT!

"We need great people coming into our Country!" Trump said.

Trump returned to the idea of shutting down the government over the border wall just days after meeting at the White House with House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to discuss the fall legislative agenda.

I am so sick of this asshole.

He really is one sick and dangerous fuck.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #341 posted 07/29/18 10:17am

PennyPurple

That's ok midterm election is just around the corner, let him shut it down, one more reason for everyone to vote for the Dems.

Reply #342 posted 07/29/18 10:57am

poppys

PennyPurple said:

That's ok midterm election is just around the corner, let him shut it down, one more reason for everyone to vote for the Dems.

There were some positive numbers showing for the midterms on Meet the Press today. The 3 hinky states are moving back to blue-ish. Hope they do the right thing this time. Trumpy sez he's going to campaign 6 or 7 days a week this Fall so he will be doing his MAGA shtick all over the place no doubt.

Reply #343 posted 07/29/18 11:10am

13cjk13

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

That's ok midterm election is just around the corner, let him shut it down, one more reason for everyone to vote for the Dems.

There were some positive numbers showing for the midterms on Meet the Press today. The 3 hinky states are moving back to blue-ish. Hope they do the right thing this time. Trumpy sez he's going to campaign 6 or 7 days a week this Fall so he will be doing his MAGA shtick all over the place no doubt.

Nauseating. I hate Nazi rallies.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #344 posted 07/29/18 3:48pm

DiminutiveRocker

PennyPurple said:

poppys said:

http://www.chicagotribune...tory.html#

Trump willing to shut down government over border security

Donald Trump,Melania Trump

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump arrive on Air Force One at Morristown Municipal Airport, in Morristown, N.J., Friday, July 27, 2018, en route to Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J.

(Carolyn Kaster / AP)

Darlene SupervilleAssociated Press

President Donald Trump said Sunday he'd be willing to shut down the government if Democrats refuse to vote for his immigration proposals, including building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

"I would be willing to 'shut down' government if the Democrats do not give us the votes for Border Security, which includes the Wall!" Trump tweeted. "Must get rid of Lottery, Catch & Release etc.
and finally go to system of Immigration based on MERIT!

"We need great people coming into our Country!" Trump said.

Trump returned to the idea of shutting down the government over the border wall just days after meeting at the White House with House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to discuss the fall legislative agenda.

I am so sick of this asshole.

Me too! neutral

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #345 posted 07/29/18 5:42pm

PennyPurple

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

That's ok midterm election is just around the corner, let him shut it down, one more reason for everyone to vote for the Dems.

There were some positive numbers showing for the midterms on Meet the Press today. The 3 hinky states are moving back to blue-ish. Hope they do the right thing this time. Trumpy sez he's going to campaign 6 or 7 days a week this Fall so he will be doing his MAGA shtick all over the place no doubt.

Yeah the asshole was in Missouri 2 times last week. mad

Reply #346 posted 07/30/18 6:52am

benni

I wanted to add this here:




Reply #347 posted 07/30/18 10:16am

DiminutiveRocker

^ thank you for posting, Benni - wow... just wow sigh

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #348 posted 07/30/18 11:12am

benni

DiminutiveRocker said:

^ thank you for posting, Benni - wow... just wow sigh


I thought it was very poignant and on point. "That's how power works" was a very powerful statement to me, and when we give in to white privilege, we don't always do so because we don't see the injustice, but because we are a subtle victim of that same power whether we choose to be or not. White privilege hurts us, too, when we comply or give in to it. If we try to buck the system, we suffer a very subtle form of punishment. Of course, it definitely hurts people of color more and in a more overt way. It always upsets me when a white person says there is no such as "white privilege". Yes, there is, but they choose to not see it and aren't self-aware enough to realize it.

Reply #349 posted 07/30/18 11:32am

poppys

Good stuff benni!

The White Privilege Myth hurts everyone. It makes stupid white people lazy because they perceive themselves on a "higher rung" up the ladder. Their children rinse & repeat this attitude and don't excel as human beings.

It's the Aspiring Overseer role on the plantation*. Thanks - you greedy assholes.


*sorry, I meant border. Same difference.


[Edited 7/30/18 13:28pm]

Reply #350 posted 07/30/18 12:51pm

DiminutiveRocker

benni said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

^ thank you for posting, Benni - wow... just wow sigh


I thought it was very poignant and on point. "That's how power works" was a very powerful statement to me, and when we give in to white privilege, we don't always do so because we don't see the injustice, but because we are a subtle victim of that same power whether we choose to be or not. White privilege hurts us, too, when we comply or give in to it. If we try to buck the system, we suffer a very subtle form of punishment. Of course, it definitely hurts people of color more and in a more overt way. It always upsets me when a white person says there is no such as "white privilege". Yes, there is, but they choose to not see it and aren't self-aware enough to realize it.

Yes, I completley agree. I have a good friend, she is very smart and super liberal and is the first person to speak up against political and social inequality. She married a man of Chinese decent whose family hails from Jamaica! She is a blond blue-eyed Irish gal from Boston. Her six children are mixed race and are gorgeous. She and I and one of her older daughters were talking about the Bill Maher "N word" incident and the topic of white privilege came up. My friend was not really sure exactly what "white privilege" referred to and never dissected what it meant, even in her own life since she felt like she was open and liberal and on the side of right when it came to race. But her daughter (who has experienced prejudice against Asians) explained it very clearly and with examples. After word my friend felt enlightened and realized that white people often are not self-aware and do or say things without even thinking.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #351 posted 07/31/18 7:41am

2freaky4church1

According to good economics if immigrants left the economy would tank. But liberals should not support ready to work slavery either.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
Reply #352 posted 07/31/18 8:08am

jjhunsecker

DiminutiveRocker said:

benni said:


I thought it was very poignant and on point. "That's how power works" was a very powerful statement to me, and when we give in to white privilege, we don't always do so because we don't see the injustice, but because we are a subtle victim of that same power whether we choose to be or not. White privilege hurts us, too, when we comply or give in to it. If we try to buck the system, we suffer a very subtle form of punishment. Of course, it definitely hurts people of color more and in a more overt way. It always upsets me when a white person says there is no such as "white privilege". Yes, there is, but they choose to not see it and aren't self-aware enough to realize it.

Yes, I completley agree. I have a good friend, she is very smart and super liberal and is the first person to speak up against political and social inequality. She married a man of Chinese decent whose family hails from Jamaica! She is a blond blue-eyed Irish gal from Boston. Her six children are mixed race and are gorgeous. She and I and one of her older daughters were talking about the Bill Maher "N word" incident and the topic of white privilege came up. My friend was not really sure exactly what "white privilege" referred to and never dissected what it meant, even in her own life since she felt like she was open and liberal and on the side of right when it came to race. But her daughter (who has experienced prejudice against Asians) explained it very clearly and with examples. After word my friend felt enlightened and realized that white people often are not self-aware and do or say things without even thinking.

To me, the greatest manisfestation of "White Privilege" is that White people are almost always seen as individuals, whereas minorites (especially Blacks, Hispanics , and Muslims) are often looked at as a group, as if every member of that group knows and is responsible for all the statements and actions of other members of their group. So for example, if I as a Black man walk into a store, I'm often profiled and followed because perhaps some other Black person might have stolen something from there. Yet Whites are never profiled the same way, or held accountable for the actions of other White people.

Reply #353 posted 07/31/18 9:29am

poppys

jjhunsecker said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Yes, I completley agree. I have a good friend, she is very smart and super liberal and is the first person to speak up against political and social inequality. She married a man of Chinese decent whose family hails from Jamaica! She is a blond blue-eyed Irish gal from Boston. Her six children are mixed race and are gorgeous. She and I and one of her older daughters were talking about the Bill Maher "N word" incident and the topic of white privilege came up. My friend was not really sure exactly what "white privilege" referred to and never dissected what it meant, even in her own life since she felt like she was open and liberal and on the side of right when it came to race. But her daughter (who has experienced prejudice against Asians) explained it very clearly and with examples. After word my friend felt enlightened and realized that white people often are not self-aware and do or say things without even thinking.

To me, the greatest manisfestation of "White Privilege" is that White people are almost always seen as individuals, whereas minorites (especially Blacks, Hispanics , and Muslims) are often looked at as a group, as if every member of that group knows and is responsible for all the statements and actions of other members of their group. So for example, if I as a Black man walk into a store, I'm often profiled and followed because perhaps some other Black person might have stolen something from there. Yet Whites are never profiled the same way, or held accountable for the actions of other White people.

That must really suck on a daily basis. shake

Remember when Orange asked a black reporter in a press conference if she knew the Congressional Black Caucus and asked her to "set up the meeting"?

Reply #354 posted 07/31/18 9:50am

jjhunsecker

poppys said:

jjhunsecker said:

To me, the greatest manisfestation of "White Privilege" is that White people are almost always seen as individuals, whereas minorites (especially Blacks, Hispanics , and Muslims) are often looked at as a group, as if every member of that group knows and is responsible for all the statements and actions of other members of their group. So for example, if I as a Black man walk into a store, I'm often profiled and followed because perhaps some other Black person might have stolen something from there. Yet Whites are never profiled the same way, or held accountable for the actions of other White people.

That must really suck on a daily basis. shake

Remember when Orange asked a black reporter in a press conference if she knew the Congressional Black Caucus and asked her to "set up the meeting"?

I've learned ways to lessen the suspicion on me- I always take off my hat when entering a store, and I NEVER open my bag to take anything out or put anything in while I'm in the store. I always make sure that anything I need- like coupons- are in my hand before I enter.

And Trump's comments illustrate my point- he thinks all Black people MUST know each other, and we must communicate at our secret meetings ...

Reply #355 posted 07/31/18 9:58am

DiminutiveRocker

jjhunsecker said:

poppys said:

That must really suck on a daily basis. shake

Remember when Orange asked a black reporter in a press conference if she knew the Congressional Black Caucus and asked her to "set up the meeting"?

I've learned ways to lessen the suspicion on me- I always take off my hat when entering a store, and I NEVER open my bag to take anything out or put anything in while I'm in the store. I always make sure that anything I need- like coupons- are in my hand before I enter.

And Trump's comments illustrate my point- he thinks all Black people MUST know each other, and we must communicate at our secret meetings ...

JJ... that makes me sad that you go to such measures just to shop neutral worse is that you feel you have to.

Trump is a racist.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #356 posted 07/31/18 10:53am

maplenpg

The UK is no better disbelief


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45021520


'Many' of the 500 rejected children are now missing. disbelief

[Edited 7/31/18 10:55am]

It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
Reply #357 posted 07/31/18 11:05am

jjhunsecker

DiminutiveRocker said:

jjhunsecker said:

I've learned ways to lessen the suspicion on me- I always take off my hat when entering a store, and I NEVER open my bag to take anything out or put anything in while I'm in the store. I always make sure that anything I need- like coupons- are in my hand before I enter.

And Trump's comments illustrate my point- he thinks all Black people MUST know each other, and we must communicate at our secret meetings ...

JJ... that makes me sad that you go to such measures just to shop neutral worse is that you feel you have to.

Trump is a racist.

Thanks. Based on incidents that have happened to me personally, and to friends and relatives, I feel as if I have to take these measures to avoid any possible problems. And not to say that anybody should be profiled, but I look as furthest from a "thug" (however one defines that) as possible- I'm a middle-aged guy in Dockers (probably the closest celebrity I resemble would be Keegan Michael Key), but even I'm still followed in stores.

I totally agree- Trump is a racist and a White Supremacist. Has been all his life.

Reply #358 posted 07/31/18 11:52am

Brendan

I completely agree.

Equality is about being afforded the ability to be as individually considered as everyone else.

Having said that, as a white male teenager I was profiled in stores, especially if I dressed and acted in a more covert, menacing way (although I’m a very non-threatening looking person — think Timothy Hutton in “Ordinary People” — while someone who looks like Jaws from James Bond fame will likely always be feared by some until showing that he has no designs on crushing you).

But it is also extremely important to point out that in very few situations was it likely even close to the same as what a true minority might experience given the same circumstances. There was simply a much smaller chance of it escalating further through lack of knowledge or experience, or just flat-out willful ignorance.

In other words, many of those in charge (in some cases, maybe most or even all in the 1980s) were much more likely to know someone like me, or even be like me, making it easier on me without me perhaps even knowing about it (“white privilege”).

That’s why diversity is not some politically correct mantra, it’s what we all need at our core.
Reply #359 posted 07/31/18 1:58pm

2elijah

jjhunsecker said:

 



DiminutiveRocker said:


 



benni said:


 



I thought it was very poignant and on point.  "That's how power works" was a very powerful statement to me, and when we give in to white privilege, we don't always do so because we don't see the injustice, but because we are a subtle victim of that same power whether we choose to be or not.  White privilege hurts us, too, when we comply or give in to it.  If we try to buck the system, we suffer a very subtle form of punishment.  Of course, it definitely hurts people of color more and in a more overt way.  It always upsets me when a white person says there is no such as "white privilege".  Yes, there is, but they choose to not see it and aren't self-aware enough to realize it.



 


Yes, I completley agree.  I have a good friend, she is very smart and super liberal and is the first person to speak up against political and social inequality.  She married a man of Chinese decent whose family hails from Jamaica! She is a blond blue-eyed Irish gal from Boston. Her six children are mixed race and are gorgeous. She and I and one of her older daughters were talking about the Bill Maher "N word" incident and the topic of white privilege came up.  My friend was not really sure exactly what "white privilege" referred to and never dissected what it meant, even in her own life since she felt like she was open and liberal and on the side of right when it came to race. But her daughter (who has experienced prejudice against Asians) explained it very clearly and with examples. After word my friend felt enlightened and realized that white people often are not self-aware and do or say things without even thinking.



 


To me, the greatest manisfestation of "White Privilege" is that White people are almost always seen as individuals, whereas minorites (especially Blacks, Hispanics , and Muslims) are often looked at as a group, as if every member of that group knows and is responsible for all the statements and actions of other members of their group. So for example, if I as a Black man walk into a store, I'm often profiled and followed because perhaps some other Black person might have stolen something from there. Yet Whites are never profiled the same way, or held accountable for the actions of other White people. 


@ Bolded part - The benefits of White privilege.
FEARLESS
Reply #360 posted 07/31/18 2:32pm

benni

jjhunsecker said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Yes, I completley agree. I have a good friend, she is very smart and super liberal and is the first person to speak up against political and social inequality. She married a man of Chinese decent whose family hails from Jamaica! She is a blond blue-eyed Irish gal from Boston. Her six children are mixed race and are gorgeous. She and I and one of her older daughters were talking about the Bill Maher "N word" incident and the topic of white privilege came up. My friend was not really sure exactly what "white privilege" referred to and never dissected what it meant, even in her own life since she felt like she was open and liberal and on the side of right when it came to race. But her daughter (who has experienced prejudice against Asians) explained it very clearly and with examples. After word my friend felt enlightened and realized that white people often are not self-aware and do or say things without even thinking.

To me, the greatest manisfestation of "White Privilege" is that White people are almost always seen as individuals, whereas minorites (especially Blacks, Hispanics , and Muslims) are often looked at as a group, as if every member of that group knows and is responsible for all the statements and actions of other members of their group. So for example, if I as a Black man walk into a store, I'm often profiled and followed because perhaps some other Black person might have stolen something from there. Yet Whites are never profiled the same way, or held accountable for the actions of other White people.


jj, that is actually an excellent point and one that I know I hadn't considered before. Even in news reports about crimes, the headlines are almost always "Black man committed such and such crime" but when a white person does the crime it's just "Such and such arrested for crime..." They don't mention the color of the white person, but always make sure to mention that a person of color of commited some crime. It's not just marginalizing an entire race of people based upon the actions of one person, but as though they are somehow first and foremost the color of their skin and everything after that is of no consequence. Even when a star makes it big...."Prince was a black man who made it big in the music industry." Or, "First black man to do this..."

I have a friend that said she does the same thing when she goes in the store. She makes sure to never wear bulky coats in the winter, always makes sure her purse is closed and in her cart before going into the store and she will not touch her purse the entire time she is in the store until she is ready to check out. This is just two more examples of white privilege that we whites take for granted. I never think about whether I'm wearing a bulky coat or whether my purse is open or closed or if it's in the cart or on my shoulder. If my phone rings, I think nothing about digging around in my purse to find it. And I know if I'm ever reported in the news, not that I would be, but it would not "white woman..."

[Edited 7/31/18 14:34pm]

Reply #361 posted 07/31/18 5:12pm

benni

https://www.pbs.org/newsh...icial-says

Trump administration was warned of ‘traumatic psychological injury’ from family separations, official says

Reply #362 posted 07/31/18 9:23pm

jjhunsecker

benni said:

 



jjhunsecker said:


 



DiminutiveRocker said:


 


 


Yes, I completley agree.  I have a good friend, she is very smart and super liberal and is the first person to speak up against political and social inequality.  She married a man of Chinese decent whose family hails from Jamaica! She is a blond blue-eyed Irish gal from Boston. Her six children are mixed race and are gorgeous. She and I and one of her older daughters were talking about the Bill Maher "N word" incident and the topic of white privilege came up.  My friend was not really sure exactly what "white privilege" referred to and never dissected what it meant, even in her own life since she felt like she was open and liberal and on the side of right when it came to race. But her daughter (who has experienced prejudice against Asians) explained it very clearly and with examples. After word my friend felt enlightened and realized that white people often are not self-aware and do or say things without even thinking.



 


To me, the greatest manisfestation of "White Privilege" is that White people are almost always seen as individuals, whereas minorites (especially Blacks, Hispanics , and Muslims) are often looked at as a group, as if every member of that group knows and is responsible for all the statements and actions of other members of their group. So for example, if I as a Black man walk into a store, I'm often profiled and followed because perhaps some other Black person might have stolen something from there. Yet Whites are never profiled the same way, or held accountable for the actions of other White people. 




jj, that is actually an excellent point and one that I know I hadn't considered before.  Even in news reports about crimes, the headlines are almost always "Black man committed such and such crime" but when a white person does the crime it's just "Such and such arrested for crime..."  They don't mention the color of the white person, but always make sure to mention that a person of color of commited some crime.  It's not just marginalizing an entire race of people based upon the actions of one person, but as though they are somehow first and foremost the color of their skin and everything after that is of no consequence.  Even when a star makes it big...."Prince was a black man who made it big in the music industry."  Or, "First black man to do this..."  

I have a friend that said she does the same thing when she goes in the store.  She makes sure to never wear bulky coats in the winter, always makes sure her purse is closed and in her cart before going into the store and she will not touch her purse the entire time she is in the store until she is ready to check out. This is just two more examples of white privilege that we whites take for granted.  I never think about whether I'm wearing a bulky coat or whether my purse is open or closed or if it's in the cart or on my shoulder.  If my phone rings, I think nothing about digging around in my purse to find it.  And I know if I'm ever reported in the news, not that I would be, but it would not "white woman..." 

 

[Edited 7/31/18 14:34pm]



It's like if a Black person does something fucked up , they're labeled a "ghetto thug" and their behavior is just how "they " always are. If they're Latino, they're probably "MS-13 gangbangers". If a Muslim does something messed up, it must be "terrorist" related. But if it's a White guy, he must be "one crazy dude ". Nobody questions his or her "cultural values ", or how they were raised. Again, they are seen strictly as individuals.
Reply #363 posted 08/01/18 2:15pm

DiminutiveRocker

jjhunsecker said:

benni said:


jj, that is actually an excellent point and one that I know I hadn't considered before. Even in news reports about crimes, the headlines are almost always "Black man committed such and such crime" but when a white person does the crime it's just "Such and such arrested for crime..." They don't mention the color of the white person, but always make sure to mention that a person of color of commited some crime. It's not just marginalizing an entire race of people based upon the actions of one person, but as though they are somehow first and foremost the color of their skin and everything after that is of no consequence. Even when a star makes it big...."Prince was a black man who made it big in the music industry." Or, "First black man to do this..."

I have a friend that said she does the same thing when she goes in the store. She makes sure to never wear bulky coats in the winter, always makes sure her purse is closed and in her cart before going into the store and she will not touch her purse the entire time she is in the store until she is ready to check out. This is just two more examples of white privilege that we whites take for granted. I never think about whether I'm wearing a bulky coat or whether my purse is open or closed or if it's in the cart or on my shoulder. If my phone rings, I think nothing about digging around in my purse to find it. And I know if I'm ever reported in the news, not that I would be, but it would not "white woman..."

[Edited 7/31/18 14:34pm]

It's like if a Black person does something fucked up , they're labeled a "ghetto thug" and their behavior is just how "they " always are. If they're Latino, they're probably "MS-13 gangbangers". If a Muslim does something messed up, it must be "terrorist" related. But if it's a White guy, he must be "one crazy dude ". Nobody questions his or her "cultural values ", or how they were raised. Again, they are seen strictly as individuals.



yeahthat

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #364 posted 08/01/18 2:42pm

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

jjhunsecker said:

benni said: It's like if a Black person does something fucked up , they're labeled a "ghetto thug" and their behavior is just how "they " always are. If they're Latino, they're probably "MS-13 gangbangers". If a Muslim does something messed up, it must be "terrorist" related. But if it's a White guy, he must be "one crazy dude ". Nobody questions his or her "cultural values ", or how they were raised. Again, they are seen strictly as individuals.



yeahthat


Yep. Racist m'fers BANK on that caveat. Disgusting.

Reply #365 posted 08/03/18 7:31am

DiminutiveRocker

Riddle me this, Ivanka: If you come to this country at a legal and legit port of entry seeking refuge and asylum - why are you arrested while your toddler children are held in cages and forced to stand before a judge before being shipped off into foster care across the country while you get deported WITHOUT THEM?

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #366 posted 08/03/18 8:01am

jjhunsecker

DiminutiveRocker said:

Riddle me this, Ivanka: If you come to this country at a legal and legit port of entry seeking refuge and asylum - why are you arrested while your toddler children are held in cages and forced to stand before a judge before being shipped off into foster care across the country while you get deported WITHOUT THEM?


Excellent piece from Lawrence O'Donnell on how IVANA TRUMP violated numerous international and American immigration laws to work and live in America.

https://qz.com/1346923/iv...visa-scam/

In the US, marrying Winklmayr for immigration purposes would be a felony called “marriage fraud.” According to ICE, marriage fraud “carries a prison sentence of up to five years and a fine of up to $250,000, and applies to both foreign nationals and U.S. citizens who perpetrate this crime.” Convenience marriages contracted in order to obtain immigration status are illegal also in Austria and Canada.

“She wanted her freedom,” Kennedy said of his client’s sham marriage.

Reply #367 posted 08/03/18 2:01pm

DiminutiveRocker

jjhunsecker said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Riddle me this, Ivanka: If you come to this country at a legal and legit port of entry seeking refuge and asylum - why are you arrested while your toddler children are held in cages and forced to stand before a judge before being shipped off into foster care across the country while you get deported WITHOUT THEM?


Excellent piece from Lawrence O'Donnell on how IVANA TRUMP violated numerous international and American immigration laws to work and live in America.

https://qz.com/1346923/iv...visa-scam/

In the US, marrying Winklmayr for immigration purposes would be a felony called “marriage fraud.” According to ICE, marriage fraud “carries a prison sentence of up to five years and a fine of up to $250,000, and applies to both foreign nationals and U.S. citizens who perpetrate this crime.” Convenience marriages contracted in order to obtain immigration status are illegal also in Austria and Canada.

“She wanted her freedom,” Kennedy said of his client’s sham marriage.


Interesting indeed.... hmmm

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #368 posted 08/03/18 3:43pm

lazycrockett

CNN reports: A federal judge called the Trump administration’s slowness to track down migrant parents it had separated from their children and then deported “unacceptable,” saying the responsibility is “100%” on the government. The stern admonishment from District Judge Dana Sabraw came a day after the administration argued that immigrant advocacy groups — not the government — should be responsible for tracking down the more than 500 parents it had separated from their children at the border and deported without them.

“The reality is there are still close to 500 parents that have not been located, many of these parents were removed from the country without their child, all of this is the result of the government’s separation and then inability and failure to track and reunite,” Sabraw said. “And the reality is that for every parent who is not located, there will be a permanent orphaned child, and that is 100% the responsibility of the administration,” he added.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #369 posted 08/04/18 8:32am

DiminutiveRocker

lazycrockett said:

CNN reports: A federal judge called the Trump administration’s slowness to track down migrant parents it had separated from their children and then deported “unacceptable,” saying the responsibility is “100%” on the government. The stern admonishment from District Judge Dana Sabraw came a day after the administration argued that immigrant advocacy groups — not the government — should be responsible for tracking down the more than 500 parents it had separated from their children at the border and deported without them.

“The reality is there are still close to 500 parents that have not been located, many of these parents were removed from the country without their child, all of this is the result of the government’s separation and then inability and failure to track and reunite,” Sabraw said. “And the reality is that for every parent who is not located, there will be a permanent orphaned child, and that is 100% the responsibility of the administration,” he added.

This makes me sick to my stomach. There is a firey place in hell of all of those complicit in this human rights violation. Fuck Sessions and Trump and Miller and Pence and Bannon.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #370 posted 08/05/18 7:43pm

lazycrockett

This stopped me cold: The ACLU says the government has phone numbers for some of the parents who were deported without their children. But the government has resisted turning those numbers over, saying in court that doing so would be "burdensome." https://twitter.com/MWatk...1087897600 … Matthew Watkins ✔ @MWatkinsTrib “For every parent who is not located, there will be a permanently orphaned child. And that is 100 percent the responsibility of the administration.” https://www.texastribune....ium=social

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #371 posted 08/06/18 1:47pm

DiminutiveRocker

lazycrockett said:

This stopped me cold: The ACLU says the government has phone numbers for some of the parents who were deported without their children. But the government has resisted turning those numbers over, saying in court that doing so would be "burdensome." https://twitter.com/MWatk...1087897600 … Matthew Watkins ✔ @MWatkinsTrib “For every parent who is not located, there will be a permanently orphaned child. And that is 100 percent the responsibility of the administration.” https://www.texastribune....ium=social


Fuck burdensome - it's a HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE! disbelief

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #372 posted 08/06/18 4:07pm

poppys

lazycrockett said:

This stopped me cold: The ACLU says the government has phone numbers for some of the parents who were deported without their children. But the government has resisted turning those numbers over, saying in court that doing so would be "burdensome." https://twitter.com/MWatkinsTrib/status/1025499481087897600 … Matthew Watkins ✔


@MWatkinsTrib “For every parent who is not located, there will be a permanently orphaned child. And that is 100 percent the responsibility of the administration.” https://www.texastribune....ium=social


How hard is it to turn over a phone #? Are they afraid of lawsuits? Or just Satan personified?

Reply #373 posted 08/07/18 11:13am

jjhunsecker

More horror from Trump and that ugly scumbag Stephen Miller. They are dtermined to "keep America White"

https://www.rollingstone....on-707424/

Reply #374 posted 08/07/18 2:23pm

DiminutiveRocker

jjhunsecker said:

More horror from Trump and that ugly scumbag Stephen Miller. They are dtermined to "keep America White"

https://www.rollingstone....on-707424/

Stephen Miller is a horror.


I am shocked they are not gettng push-back by industries that employ large numbers of legal workers










[Edited 8/7/18 14:26pm]

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #375 posted 08/08/18 9:25am

jjhunsecker

DiminutiveRocker said:

jjhunsecker said:

More horror from Trump and that ugly scumbag Stephen Miller. They are dtermined to "keep America White"

https://www.rollingstone....on-707424/

Stephen Miller is a horror.


I am shocked they are not gettng push-back by industries that employ large numbers of legal workers










[Edited 8/7/18 14:26pm]

Miller, being a Jew, should know better. Bigots have been persecuting his people for centuries, and killed millions of them

Reply #376 posted 08/08/18 11:53am

DiminutiveRocker

jjhunsecker said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Stephen Miller is a horror.


I am shocked they are not gettng push-back by industries that employ large numbers of legal workers










[Edited 8/7/18 14:26pm]

Miller, being a Jew, should know better. Bigots have been persecuting his people for centuries, and killed millions of them

Miller has no empathy for any of these groups past or present - his main objective is to distract and at once satisfy the racist base with a crack down immigration by driving home the notion that it is the immigrants who are causing the problems and economic woes of the down trodden low income white population

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #377 posted 08/08/18 3:13pm

poppys

jjhunsecker said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Stephen Miller is a horror.


I am shocked they are not gettng push-back by industries that employ large numbers of legal workers




Miller, being a Jew, should know better. Bigots have been persecuting his people for centuries, and killed millions of them

Really? That's interesting. When I saw him walking across the white house lawn on video recently he had that Nazi gait. Looked like he was playing into that image. What is it with these people like him and Roseanne? They are SO SICK!

Reply #378 posted 08/08/18 3:35pm

13cjk13

poppys said:

jjhunsecker said:



Miller, being a Jew, should know better. Bigots have been persecuting his people for centuries, and killed millions of them

Really? That's interesting. When I saw him walking across the white house lawn on video recently he had that Nazi gait. Looked like he was playing into that image. What is it with these people like him and Roseanne? They are SO SICK!

Deplorable. Plain and simple.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
Reply #379 posted 08/10/18 12:33pm

lazycrockett

Kyle Griffin ✔ @kylegriffin1

The ACLU believes that ICE deliberately withheld deported parents' phone numbers for more than a month, despite the fact that this contact information could have helped reunite many families.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ice-withheld-deported-parents-numbers-from-lawyers-and-advocates-aclu-says_us_5b6cd9c7e4b0ae32af96b27d?ncid=engmodushpmg0000000 … 2:00 PM - Aug 10, 2018

ICE Withheld Deported Parents' Numbers From Lawyers And Advocates, ACLU Says Immigration attorneys say the government agency deliberately slowed down attempts to reunify migrant families. huffingtonpost.com

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #380 posted 08/10/18 1:52pm

DiminutiveRocker

lazycrockett said:

Kyle Griffin ✔ @kylegriffin1

The ACLU believes that ICE deliberately withheld deported parents' phone numbers for more than a month, despite the fact that this contact information could have helped reunite many families.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ice-withheld-deported-parents-numbers-from-lawyers-and-advocates-aclu-says_us_5b6cd9c7e4b0ae32af96b27d?ncid=engmodushpmg0000000 … 2:00 PM - Aug 10, 2018

ICE Withheld Deported Parents' Numbers From Lawyers And Advocates, ACLU Says Immigration attorneys say the government agency deliberately slowed down attempts to reunify migrant families. huffingtonpost.com

Sickening! mad

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #381 posted 08/10/18 2:06pm

benni

I am so done with this administration and all it stands for. Is it November 2019 yet? I want to vote these lowlifes out of that office!

Reply #382 posted 08/10/18 2:14pm

poppys

benni said:

I am so done with this administration and all it stands for. Is it November 2019 yet? I want to vote these lowlifes out of that office!

hammer

Reply #383 posted 08/10/18 9:47pm

DiminutiveRocker

poppys said:

benni said:

I am so done with this administration and all it stands for. Is it November 2019 yet? I want to vote these lowlifes out of that office!

hammer



It's a new low of recent years... so regressive, heartless. The current administration is trash.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
Reply #384 posted 08/11/18 6:45am

2elijah

DiminutiveRocker said:

 



jjhunsecker said:


 



DiminutiveRocker said:


 


 


Stephen Miller is a horror.


I am shocked they are not gettng push-back by industries that employ large numbers of legal workers











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Miller, being a Jew, should know better. Bigots have been persecuting his people for centuries, and killed millions of them 



 


Miller has no empathy for any of these groups past or present - his main objective is to distract and at once satisfy the racist base with a crack down immigration by driving home the notion that it is the immigrants who are causing the problems and economic woes of the down trodden low income white population


Because they don’t want to accept their own failures, so blaming it on someone else is always easy. Trump and Miller feed into the fears, jealousy, prejudices of many within that group. They don’t care about them, but trump uses them for votes by playing into their fears and those whomalready harbor, ingrained racial prejudice. They’re just his puppets for votes. I bet most of them aren’t aware they’re being conned for votes.
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FEARLESS
Reply #385 posted 08/11/18 8:37am

jjhunsecker

2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Miller has no empathy for any of these groups past or present - his main objective is to distract and at once satisfy the racist base with a crack down immigration by driving home the notion that it is the immigrants who are causing the problems and economic woes of the down trodden low income white population

Because they don’t want to accept their own failures, so blaming it on someone else is always easy. Trump and Miller feed into the fears, jealousy, prejudices of many within that group. They don’t care about them, but trump uses them for votes by playing into their fears and those whomalready harbor, ingrained racial prejudice. They’re just his puppets for votes. I bet most of them aren’t aware they’re being conned for votes. [Edited 8/11/18 6:49am]

I've always beleived that Trump is actually laughing at the people who support him, considering them stupid jerks who he was able to con

Reply #386 posted 08/11/18 9:16am

poppys

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:

Because they don’t want to accept their own failures, so blaming it on someone else is always easy. Trump and Miller feed into the fears, jealousy, prejudices of many within that group. They don’t care about them, but trump uses them for votes by playing into their fears and those whomalready harbor, ingrained racial prejudice. They’re just his puppets for votes. I bet most of them aren’t aware they’re being conned for votes.


I've always beleived that Trump is actually laughing at the people who support him, considering them stupid jerks who he was able to con

nod Suckers!

Reply #387 posted 08/11/18 6:39pm

DiminutiveRocker

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said: Because they don’t want to accept their own failures, so blaming it on someone else is always easy. Trump and Miller feed into the fears, jealousy, prejudices of many within that group. They don’t care about them, but trump uses them for votes by playing into their fears and those whomalready harbor, ingrained racial prejudice. They’re just his puppets for votes. I bet most of them aren’t aware they’re being conned for votes. [Edited 8/11/18 6:49am]

I've always beleived that Trump is actually laughing at the people who support him, considering them stupid jerks who he was able to con


I don't think he is that clever, nor does he care about anything or anyone not in his immediate presence.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson

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