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Reply #30 posted 06/01/18 10:02am

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2freaky4church1 said:

As the Bible says the lips are a deadly poison.


Let’s not forget that many people also used the words in the Bible to judge others, manipulate, and justify hatred and injustices.
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Reply #31 posted 06/01/18 10:05am

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Reply #32 posted 06/01/18 10:29am

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RodeoSchro said:



poppys said:




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This is an interesting take on the subject



https://www.gq.com/story/on-rudeness



Loved this. Thanks for posting.

demanding everyone else be polite when their very ideas are obscene





Let me be perfectly clear:

We don't have to be polite. We just need to not curse.



Maybe because when and where I was raised, cursing doesn't bother me that much (though I do believe you have to be appropriate for the setting and audience). The world I grew up in was like a Scorsese film, but without the crime
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Reply #33 posted 06/01/18 10:40am

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poppys said:

RodeoSchro said:



Let me be perfectly clear:

We don't have to be polite. We just need to not curse.


did U read the article? don't judge on my quote. great writing, funny and direct.

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Oh yes, I read it. I've read most of Magary's columns these past five years, and I have his first book at home (but haven't read it yet). I am very familiar with Drew Magary.

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Reply #34 posted 06/01/18 10:54am

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jjhunsecker said:

RodeoSchro said:



Let me be perfectly clear:

We don't have to be polite. We just need to not curse.

Maybe because when and where I was raised, cursing doesn't bother me that much (though I do believe you have to be appropriate for the setting and audience). The world I grew up in was like a Scorsese film, but without the crime



LOL, I feel you. But what we have to remember is that lots of others didn't grow up in that world. Or even if they did, they expect better from leaders.

Here's the way I see it - put yourself in the shoes of someone whose votes we need and should be able to get. Who is that person?

That person is probably white, probably in their 40's or older, and probably male. How is that person going to react to a political commentator, candidate or comedian who drops F-bombs and C-bombs in public?

Not very well. So if you want to attract the kind of voters that Democrats need to win, you have to avoid the things that turn them away. Name-calling doesn't - shucks, that's ALL guys like Trump and Rush Limbaugh do.

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Reply #35 posted 06/01/18 11:04am

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You seem to be blanking on all of Trump's profanity, and heaping scorn on Samantha Bee. There is a disconnect here that I don't understand.

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Reply #36 posted 06/01/18 11:10am

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You seem to be blanking on all of Trump's profanity, and heaping scorn on Samantha Bee. There is a disconnect here that I don't understand.




I'm trying to figure out how to get the voters that the Democrats need to win. For whatever reason, I'd bet all those voters heard little to none of the video you posted, but they heard Samantha Bee over and over these last two days.

Which, of course, Trump used to his advantage. We have a situation that should have damaged Trump (his association with known racist Roseanne Barr) and yet because of cursing, that opportunity was lost. We did it to ourselves.

And if you look at so many of the progressive political commentators - like Drew Magary, as we have seen - cursing is prevalent. Being an old white guy myself, and knowing many many old white people, I know for a fact that they look upon cursing in the public domain with great negativity.

That negativity keeps them from voting in their best interests, which means they vote against their best interests and vote for non-swearing Republicans.

And yes - Trump swears. But Rush Limbaugh doesn't. Sean Hannity doesn't. Mark Levin doesn't. Ann Coulter doesn't. None of the bozos on Fox News do.

For many of these old white people, party affiliation could come down to something as simple as cursing.

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Reply #37 posted 06/01/18 11:31am

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poppys said:


You seem to be blanking on all of Trump's profanity, and heaping scorn on Samantha Bee. There is a disconnect here that I don't understand.




I'm trying to figure out how to get the voters that the Democrats need to win. For whatever reason, I'd bet all those voters heard little to none of the video you posted, but they heard Samantha Bee over and over these last two days.

Which, of course, Trump used to his advantage. We have a situation that should have damaged Trump (his association with known racist Roseanne Barr) and yet because of cursing, that opportunity was lost. We did it to ourselves.

And if you look at so many of the progressive political commentators - like Drew Magary, as we have seen - cursing is prevalent. Being an old white guy myself, and knowing many many old white people, I know for a fact that they look upon cursing in the public domain with great negativity.

That negativity keeps them from voting in their best interests, which means they vote against their best interests and vote for non-swearing Republicans.

And yes - Trump swears. But Rush Limbaugh doesn't. Sean Hannity doesn't. Mark Levin doesn't. Ann Coulter doesn't. None of the bozos on Fox News do.

For many of these old white people, party affiliation could come down to something as simple as cursing.


The thing is, you continue to attack Samantha Bee, and replied early on that Trump really doesn't curse. That does not compute.

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Reply #38 posted 06/01/18 11:42am

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RodeoSchro said:




I'm trying to figure out how to get the voters that the Democrats need to win. For whatever reason, I'd bet all those voters heard little to none of the video you posted, but they heard Samantha Bee over and over these last two days.

Which, of course, Trump used to his advantage. We have a situation that should have damaged Trump (his association with known racist Roseanne Barr) and yet because of cursing, that opportunity was lost. We did it to ourselves.

And if you look at so many of the progressive political commentators - like Drew Magary, as we have seen - cursing is prevalent. Being an old white guy myself, and knowing many many old white people, I know for a fact that they look upon cursing in the public domain with great negativity.

That negativity keeps them from voting in their best interests, which means they vote against their best interests and vote for non-swearing Republicans.

And yes - Trump swears. But Rush Limbaugh doesn't. Sean Hannity doesn't. Mark Levin doesn't. Ann Coulter doesn't. None of the bozos on Fox News do.

For many of these old white people, party affiliation could come down to something as simple as cursing.


The thing is, you continue to attack Samantha Bee, and replied early on that Trump really doesn't curse. That does not compute.



OK.

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Reply #39 posted 06/01/18 12:01pm

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RodeoSchro said:



poppys said:



You seem to be blanking on all of Trump's profanity, and heaping scorn on Samantha Bee. There is a disconnect here that I don't understand.






I'm trying to figure out how to get the voters that the Democrats need to win. For whatever reason, I'd bet all those voters heard little to none of the video you posted, but they heard Samantha Bee over and over these last two days.

Which, of course, Trump used to his advantage. We have a situation that should have damaged Trump (his association with known racist Roseanne Barr) and yet because of cursing, that opportunity was lost. We did it to ourselves.

And if you look at so many of the progressive political commentators - like Drew Magary, as we have seen - cursing is prevalent. Being an old white guy myself, and knowing many many old white people, I know for a fact that they look upon cursing in the public domain with great negativity.

That negativity keeps them from voting in their best interests, which means they vote against their best interests and vote for non-swearing Republicans.

And yes - Trump swears. But Rush Limbaugh doesn't. Sean Hannity doesn't. Mark Levin doesn't. Ann Coulter doesn't. None of the bozos on Fox News do.

For many of these old white people, party affiliation could come down to something as simple as cursing.



The irony is that the IDEAS of Hannity and Limbaugh and Coulter and Ingraham and D'Souza are more obscene than anything actually said by Robert DeNiro or Chris Rock or Wanda Sykes or Samantha Bee
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Reply #40 posted 06/01/18 1:17pm

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jjhunsecker said:

RodeoSchro said:




I'm trying to figure out how to get the voters that the Democrats need to win. For whatever reason, I'd bet all those voters heard little to none of the video you posted, but they heard Samantha Bee over and over these last two days.

Which, of course, Trump used to his advantage. We have a situation that should have damaged Trump (his association with known racist Roseanne Barr) and yet because of cursing, that opportunity was lost. We did it to ourselves.

And if you look at so many of the progressive political commentators - like Drew Magary, as we have seen - cursing is prevalent. Being an old white guy myself, and knowing many many old white people, I know for a fact that they look upon cursing in the public domain with great negativity.

That negativity keeps them from voting in their best interests, which means they vote against their best interests and vote for non-swearing Republicans.

And yes - Trump swears. But Rush Limbaugh doesn't. Sean Hannity doesn't. Mark Levin doesn't. Ann Coulter doesn't. None of the bozos on Fox News do.

For many of these old white people, party affiliation could come down to something as simple as cursing.

The irony is that the IDEAS of Hannity and Limbaugh and Coulter and Ingraham and D'Souza are more obscene than anything actually said by Robert DeNiro or Chris Rock or Wanda Sykes or Samantha Bee



I know, but look at what's dominating the news - Samantha Bee. And she caved in one day.

We have to deal in what the reality is, not what we want the reality to be. That's the only way to get the reality we want.

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Reply #41 posted 06/01/18 1:32pm

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I'm just wondering how what Samantha Bee said was so much worse than what that White House aide said about John McCain (and she still has a job, and was not fired?
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Reply #42 posted 06/01/18 1:47pm

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Ted Nugent once called Hillary Clinton a "cunt". Trump invited him to the White House.
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Reply #43 posted 06/01/18 2:00pm

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I'm just wondering how what Samantha Bee said was so much worse than what that White House aide said about John McCain (and she still has a job, and was not fired?



It's not but the point is that if Samantha Bee hadn't said what she said, the focus could have remained on the White House/Trump/Roseanne Barr instead of on Bee. But it's clearly on Bee now, isn't it? She has replaced the Barr/Trump story in the news cycle and that's a permanent thing. Barr/Trump isn't coming back now; it's old news that got bumped off the cycle.

The voters we need to get on our side are not concerned about "YOU DID IT TOO!!!!" That doesn't fly with them. The BEST case right now is they are undecided, thinking that both sides are not worthy of respect.

The WORST case is that they're thinking, "I wanted someone better but obviously the Democrats are it, so I'll stick with the Republicans. Better to stick with the evil you know than the one you don't".

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Reply #44 posted 06/01/18 2:03pm

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Ted Nugent once called Hillary Clinton a "cunt". Trump invited him to the White House.



THAT should be pointed out. Someone in the press corps should make Sarah Sanders answer why Nugent can use the word and still be invited by the president to the White House. Although, I imagine the answer would be, "How could he have known about something Nugent said 24 years ago? Are you comparing that to something that was said three days ago?"

But it's a start.

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Reply #45 posted 06/01/18 2:21pm

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Here we go with more of his hypocrisy. This is not photoshopped. It's my own screenshot.


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Reply #46 posted 06/01/18 3:00pm

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Here we go with more of his hypocrisy. This is not photoshopped. It's my own screenshot.




And?

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Reply #47 posted 06/01/18 3:29pm

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It might be deplorable but you don't even need to swear to loose voters.

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It might be inconsistent to find guilt on the otherside for what you do on your own side - be that a man saying "she got an effing mouth on her" or "those cees who support that other party don't show enough respect for my views" - but it is how we all are. We forgive and forget the things on our side and hold a grudge against the other all the time.

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In a system with non-compulsory voting, you need to get your own side to vote without getting more of the otherside to vote against you. When you don't the world ends up having to deal with people like Trump.

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Reply #48 posted 06/01/18 5:58pm

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The bottom line is that people are very tribal, and they'll accept behavior from their "side" that they'd criticize from the other. You especially see that with Trump supporters... imagine how they would have reacted if Obama had 5 kids by 3 different women, and was banging porno stars raw weeks after his current wife gave birth to his latest kid. They would be harping on that 24/7. But with Trump... ehhh
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Reply #49 posted 06/01/18 7:26pm

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The bottom line is that people are very tribal, and they'll accept behavior from their "side" that they'd criticize from the other. You especially see that with Trump supporters... imagine how they would have reacted if Obama had 5 kids by 3 different women, and was banging porno stars raw weeks after his current wife gave birth to his latest kid. They would be harping on that 24/7. But with Trump... ehhh


Nailed it. I've always put it a tad differently - that people will sell their souls for a politician that they will probably never meet, cares nothing about them, and has no idea what they go through. Yet they'll fight, cuss, turn bigoted, commit violent acts, and worse; dismissing their long time friends and family over a stranger! Even if they ever do get to meet the politician and shake a hand, they'll be a fart in the wind in the politician's mind before they get to the next hand to shake.

If Roseanne had rebooted her show as a full on liberal show, they'd have tried to destroy it. But because one character voted for the guy in the white house, now they're pissed that it's canceled all of a sudden? Calling someone a cunt on a comedy show is grounds for lynching and the burning of houses, but calling a black person a trope meant to demean a whole race of people...hey, what y'all so sensitive, snowflake?

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Reply #50 posted 06/01/18 9:18pm

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w/trump's inexcusable actions & tweets 👀
Spike Lee calls Trump 'agent orange'
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Reply #51 posted 06/01/18 9:34pm

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RodeoSchro said:
Ah, but he doesn't curse! He says ridiculous, horrible, ugly things but except for the "s***hole countries" remark, he doesn't curse.


Wait a f--king minute. Sons of Bitches is not cursing???

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2.: https://www.google.com/am...wear-words
Trump has regularly used curse words at public events, especially on the campaign trail where he sprinkled his speeches liberally with “damn” and “hell” and even “s—“ and “p—-.” In a notorious speech in Las Vegas in 2011, he dropped the f-word repeatedly, arguing that his message to China would be ““Listen you motherf—ers, we’re going to tax you 25 percent!”

when you read the source link article (2.), you might crack the Fark up.
the d-trump dewed is insultingly guttural in his potus speech deliveries.
bit hey he appeals to those who have the same language traits.

x-y-z- sycophants.
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Spike Lee calls Trump 'agent orange'
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Reply #52 posted 06/02/18 3:54am

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I agree with the OP up to a point. I always prefer, in debates, to just try and keep my cool and point out as clearly as I can where I think the other person is wrong. There's always a bit of pointed language in there, but generally not cursing. And I always have in my head the thought that, if you get riled up - let alone start cussing the other guy out - others observing will think of you as a hotheaded 'unreliable witness'.

That said, though that's my own paranoia, I don't necessarily cleave to it when I'm observing other people's discussions. There, I tend to see passion as a sign of committedness to one's argument. And, though I still wouldn't think much of someone simply turning the air blue without making their case, I can forgive a bit of 'colourful' language. One of my pet hates is the petty bourgeois preoccupation with 'civility' in politics, and the notion that this has been lost. In contrast, I always like those clips you see of foreign parliaments descending into fist fights. Shows they give a shit, at least.

The problem with SB's statement seems more that it's there to offer a cheap thrill, rather than something that expresses real passion. Like a lot of that 'post-Daily Show' genre, it's not even that funny; it's simply 'on message'. You hear the audience whooping, more than laughing. Contrast that with, say, a Dave Chappelle or George Carlin routine, which could be thoroughly laced with profanity, but still be genuinely thoughtful.

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Reply #53 posted 06/03/18 11:35am

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Note 2Elijah was mildly chiding yours truly. smile.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #54 posted 06/03/18 4:02pm

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Prince He is the only one I have seen with a mic like that.

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Reply #55 posted 06/04/18 5:47am

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1. "Loose Lips Sink Might Sink Ships,”
2. "Careless Talk Costs Lives.."
3. "Avoid careless talk."
Make
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Reply #56 posted 06/04/18 6:37am

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Why propaganda is so insidious. Look at what Edward Bernays said:

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind."

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Reply #57 posted 06/04/18 6:39am

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RodeoSchro said:

jjhunsecker said:

This is an interesting take on the subject

https://www.gq.com/story/on-rudeness




Drew Magary is wrong. He peppered his column with the kind of language he always uses (BTW, his column on Deadspin is hilarious. I read it every week). I know how much he loathes the Trump administration but I can guarantee you that no one who reads that article is going to go from a Republican voter to a Democratic voter. And isn't that what we need?

In order to win, Democrats have to attract older white voters - many of them female. They aren't going to ever get them using the kind of language Magary uses. That's just a fact.

Triple winner here and I like Samantha Bee. I'm sure you've noticed I cuss too.

Hoping some of the idiot older white females that voted for Trump will see the error of their ways. Doubt if many older people with strong affiliations change parties much. Something like their grandkid dying at school maybe. But this was an election between a monster and someone who was qualified for the job, hopefully they will notice how that is working out. The big question is do they like the upfront nasty US Trump has ushered in?

We need disenfranchised and marginalized people to vote. The kind that are sidelined by voter supression and the Electoral College. And of course we need YOUTH to vote their hearts, most young people aren't as cynical. Spending energy trying to poach Fox News voters is not much of a winning strategy anyway.

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Reply #58 posted 06/15/18 4:39am

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Rejecting an argument's soundness/validity/truthfulness because it contains language perceived
as being "coarse" says just as much about our inability to be rational as it does our phoney devotion
to linguistic propriety during political discourse.

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Reply #59 posted 06/18/18 6:37am

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We were reminded this weekend about what a moron Kathy Griffin is. Thanks to her idoicy, the right now has something with which to deflect criticism about their family separation policy.

Someone please take away Kathy Griffin's microphone and Twitter account. She is a complete idiot and is killing our attempts to win undecided voters.

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