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Thread started 05/27/18 3:57pm

CherryMoon57

Obstetricians reveal the sad realities of abortion




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Reply #1 posted 05/27/18 4:08pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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watching now just over a min in and that one doctor admitted to negligent homicide. The fact is most successful abortions end in a death... Planned Parenthood not only advocated for killing but facilitates them. This is not even something one can argue.


you can absolutely argue against them without making ANY appeal to religion.

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Reply #2 posted 05/27/18 4:14pm

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NEVERMIND All I want to say is that only women own their bodies and only they decide what to do to it.

[Edited 5/27/18 16:16pm]

[Edited 5/27/18 16:28pm]

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Reply #3 posted 05/27/18 4:30pm

CherryMoon57

OnlyNDaUsa said:

watching now just over a min in and that one doctor admitted to negligent homicide. The fact is most successful abortions end in a death... Planned Parenthood not only advocated for killing but facilitates them. This is not even something one can argue.


you can absolutely argue against them without making ANY appeal to religion.


Yep. As the doctor in the video explains, there is also a psychological price to pay. I know three women close to me (one of them being my mum) who deeply regret having done the abortion. Not only do they regret doing it but the physical and psychological issues they've had and are still having now as a result of their 'choice' (even decades later) makes them realise that it was not all worth it after all. My mum was actually pressured into aborting by her own family and her family doctor, which makes her experience even worse.

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Reply #4 posted 05/27/18 4:34pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

NEVERMIND All I want to say is that only women own their bodies and only they decide what to do to it.

[Edited 5/27/18 16:16pm]

[Edited 5/27/18 16:28pm]

if it was JUST her body then sure. and then she should not get all pissy if she has to pay for it out herself.


And I am kind of okay with Roe V Wade... make them legal for the first 20ish weeks... after that, there should be an increasing standard to justify one. I am not saying ban them... we just need to shift the rights towards the baby.


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Reply #5 posted 05/27/18 4:37pm

CherryMoon57

ThatWhiteDude said:

NEVERMIND All I want to say is that only women own their bodies and only they decide what to do to it.

[Edited 5/27/18 16:16pm]

[Edited 5/27/18 16:28pm]


This is not what this video is about ThaWhiteDude. Did you watch it? The abortion process involves far more than just 'a woman's body'.

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Reply #6 posted 05/27/18 4:45pm

ThatWhiteDude

This is dumb, what about the women on welfare, would you tell them to just keep the baby because they can't pay for it?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

NEVERMIND All I want to say is that only women own their bodies and only they decide what to do to it.

[Edited 5/27/18 16:16pm]

[Edited 5/27/18 16:28pm]

if it was JUST her body then sure. and then she should not get all pissy if she has to pay for it out herself.


And I am kind of okay with Roe V Wade... make them legal for the first 20ish weeks... after that, there should be an increasing standard to justify one. I am not saying ban them... we just need to shift the rights towards the baby.


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Reply #7 posted 05/27/18 4:53pm

ThatWhiteDude

CherryMoon57 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

NEVERMIND All I want to say is that only women own their bodies and only they decide what to do to it.

[Edited 5/27/18 16:16pm]

[Edited 5/27/18 16:28pm]


This is not what this video is about ThaWhiteDude. Did you watch it? The abortion process involves far more than just 'a woman's body'.

I know that, my aunt had to do it too. I just don't think that anybody is in the position to tell a woman to keep a baby she doesn't even want. Do you know what happens with babys no one wants? They getkilled after birth so the outcome would be the same, the kid doesn't live. They end up as foster kids etc etc.

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Reply #8 posted 05/27/18 4:53pm

CherryMoon57

This thread is about the abortionists' experiences of abortion and it is important that people watch the video before they comment. There are some essential points discussed in the video.

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Reply #9 posted 05/27/18 4:57pm

ThatWhiteDude

CherryMoon57 said:

This thread is about the abortionists' experiences of abortion and it is important that people watch the video before they comment. There are some essential points discussed in the video.

I know what's in the video, I just wanted to add my points/opinions. Sorry for going slightly off topic.

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Reply #10 posted 05/27/18 5:22pm

CherryMoon57

ThatWhiteDude said:

CherryMoon57 said:

This thread is about the abortionists' experiences of abortion and it is important that people watch the video before they comment. There are some essential points discussed in the video.

I know what's in the video, I just wanted to add my points/opinions. Sorry for going slightly off topic.

It's ok. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on what those two doctors had to share.

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Reply #11 posted 05/27/18 6:31pm

ThatWhiteDude

CherryMoon57 said:



ThatWhiteDude said:




CherryMoon57 said:


This thread is about the abortionists' experiences of abortion and it is important that people watch the video before they comment. There are some essential points discussed in the video.



I know what's in the video, I just wanted to add my points/opinions. Sorry for going slightly off topic.



It's ok. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on what those two doctors had to share.


What these people say Sounds horrible and it's a complicated issue NEVERMIND I write the rest later it's getting way too late Here in Germany
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Reply #12 posted 05/27/18 7:13pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

NEVERMIND All I want to say is that only women own their bodies and only they decide what to do to it.

[Edited 5/27/18 16:16pm]

[Edited 5/27/18 16:28pm]

Woman doesn't own her own body. Nobody own's their own body. Give the baby up for adoption. These people are straight murders.

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Reply #13 posted 05/27/18 9:26pm

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riocoolnes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

NEVERMIND All I want to say is that only women own their bodies and only they decide what to do to it.

[Edited 5/27/18 16:16pm]

[Edited 5/27/18 16:28pm]

Woman doesn't own her own body. Nobody own's their own body. Give the baby up for adoption. These people are straight murders.

Who owns a woman's body? Also, like with guns, if you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one. Only taught me that.

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Reply #14 posted 05/28/18 4:26am

CherryMoon57


I think it would be fair to say that politics - for whatever reason or agenda - have desensitized people to what abortion really is about. As with many things nowadays it has become a political word, but what 'abortion' entails still exists and the lack of (or poor) responses to this thread demonstrate that not many people who support the right to abortion really know the realities behind abortion nor are they ready or willing to face its ugly truth.

Ironically, when it comes to vegetarianism, many abortion supporters then decide that it is not ok to kill a a sheep or a cow's fetus (a cruel thing that happens every day in the meat industry).

I see these two as the exact same: these animals are vunerable and do not have a choice, likewise not only the fetus, but also the women who are opting for abortion are for the most part very vulnerable. Sometimes they're not even in measure to think things through properly and therefore at the mercy of unscrupulous doctors.

In many cases, the ones who 'decide' to do it, do so out of despair and fear / lack of hope. All they really need is love and support to encourage them and to make them realise that having a baby is not an impossible mission at all. Moreover, many women happily combine work and studying whilst having a baby. Unfortunately there are still a lot of lies out there in the world. And when you are weak you easily believe these lies. Let's not forget that abortion is also an industry that generates rapid revenues.

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Reply #15 posted 05/28/18 4:32am

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riocoolnes said:



ThatWhiteDude said:




NEVERMIND All I want to say is that only women own their bodies and only they decide what to do to it.


[Edited 5/27/18 16:16pm]


[Edited 5/27/18 16:28pm]




Woman doesn't own her own body. Nobody own's their own body. Give the baby up for adoption. These people are straight murders.


WTF???
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Reply #16 posted 05/28/18 7:25am

poppys

No one ever wants to acknowledge that some women do not want to be mothers and they have their reasons. That's their choice. They also may not want to be pregnant or give a child up for adoption, never knowing it's fate. Again, their choice.

It's become a cliche but it's still true - if men had the babies we would not even be having this conversation.

[Edited 5/28/18 7:26am]

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Reply #17 posted 05/28/18 7:52am

CherryMoon57

^^No one said everyone has to have babies. There are many ways not to have babies without resorting to abortion. If one way or another a woman ends up being pregnant, perhaps she (and her partner, if he is still with her at that point) should face up to the consequences from those other choices they have made prior to her becoming pregnant.


That said I am not here to judge anyone who may have made a 'mistake' or who ended up being caught up in the aftermaths of the mistakes of another individual. But are these babies necessarily mere 'mistakes' or simply another part of one's life that is meant to challenge us and help us grow (up)? No one said life was easy and just because we do not like the challenges or people/babies that life (or God) places on our path, doesn't mean that 'eliminating' them is the best answer, even if it may seem the easier option at the time.

The video's emphasis is placed on the cruel and heartless practice that is the abortion process, which still stands regardless.

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Reply #18 posted 05/28/18 8:38am

ThatWhiteDude

poppys said:

No one ever wants to acknowledge that some women do not want to be mothers and they have their reasons. That's their choice. They also may not want to be pregnant or give a child up for adoption, never knowing it's fate. Again, their choice.

It's become a cliche but it's still true - if men had the babies we would not even be having this conversation.

[Edited 5/28/18 7:26am]


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Reply #19 posted 05/28/18 8:41am

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CherryMoon57 said:

^^No one said everyone has to have babies. There are many ways not to have babies without resorting to abortion. If one way or another a woman ends up being pregnant, perhaps she (and her partner, if he is still with her at that point) should face up to the consequences from those other choices they have made prior to her becoming pregnant.



That said I am not here to judge anyone who may have made a 'mistake' or who ended up being caught up in the aftermaths of the mistakes of another individual. But are these babies necessarily mere 'mistakes' or simply another part of one's life that is meant to challenge us and help us grow (up)? No one said life was easy and just because we do not like the challenges or people/babies that life (or God) places on our path, doesn't mean that 'eliminating' them is the best answer, even if it may seem the easier option at the time.

The video's emphasis is placed on the cruel and heartless practice that is the abortion process, which still stands regardless.


I'm no expert but I think I heard that there's No 100% chance that you won't get pregnant. I also hear about women that some of them didn't even know they're pregnant.
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Reply #20 posted 05/28/18 10:51am

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I have been and will be pro-choice, but believe abortion should be the last resort. That being said here is what I would like to see here in the US

  1. Sex Education--I've seen some hopeful sites on-line. Given the current atmosphere in our schools I'd be retisent to ask someone to teach it! But EDUCATION has to be the building block
  2. Abstinence--Can we all agree to holding off till 16 or 17?
  3. Birth Control--Condoms, Birth Control Pills (not my first choice because of side effects) and most importantly, the morning after pill
  4. Adoption--Comes with its own set of issues

I've seen videos like this before and sought out the home site. I kind of felt like the video was somewhat manipulative and then saw the home site was definitely political. This site was praising Trump for defunding Planned Parenthood of up to $60 million. Therefore the site which seems to be more political than informational doesn't hold much credibility with me.

Sorry Cherry! Always much love to you from me! I would hope with the enumerated items above that abortion would become obsolete.

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Reply #21 posted 05/28/18 11:18am

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poppys said:

No one ever wants to acknowledge that some women do not want to be mothers and they have their reasons. That's their choice. They also may not want to be pregnant or give a child up for adoption, never knowing it's fate. Again, their choice.

It's become a cliche but it's still true - if men had the babies we would not even be having this conversation.

[Edited 5/28/18 7:26am]



As someone once said, if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament
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Reply #22 posted 05/28/18 11:26am

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CherryMoon57 said:

^^No one said everyone has to have babies. There are many ways not to have babies without resorting to abortion. If one way or another a woman ends up being pregnant, perhaps she (and her partner, if he is still with her at that point) should face up to the consequences from those other choices they have made prior to her becoming pregnant.



That said I am not here to judge anyone who may have made a 'mistake' or who ended up being caught up in the aftermaths of the mistakes of another individual. But are these babies necessarily mere 'mistakes' or simply another part of one's life that is meant to challenge us and help us grow (up)? No one said life was easy and just because we do not like the challenges or people/babies that life (or God) places on our path, doesn't mean that 'eliminating' them is the best answer, even if it may seem the easier option at the time.

The video's emphasis is placed on the cruel and heartless practice that is the abortion process, which still stands regardless.



Isn't also cruel and heartless to bring unwanted children into the world, especially if the parent(s) are unable or unwilling, or just too stupid or simply unfit to raise a child, and give it the love and attention it needs? Aren't these "unwanted " children the ones who end up getting abused or neglected, with all the issues that come along with that treatment?
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Reply #23 posted 05/28/18 11:35am

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LadyLayla said:

I have been and will be pro-choice, but believe abortion should be the last resort. That being said here is what I would like to see here in the US

  1. Sex Education--I've seen some hopeful sites on-line. Given the current atmosphere in our schools I'd be retisent to ask someone to teach it! But EDUCATION has to be the building block
  2. Abstinence--Can we all agree to holding off till 16 or 17?
  3. Birth Control--Condoms, Birth Control Pills (not my first choice because of side effects) and most importantly, the morning after pill
  4. Adoption--Comes with its own set of issues

I've seen videos like this before and sought out the home site. I kind of felt like the video was somewhat manipulative and then saw the home site was definitely political. This site was praising Trump for defunding Planned Parenthood of up to $60 million. Therefore the site which seems to be more political than informational doesn't hold much credibility with me.

Sorry Cherry! Always much love to you from me! I would hope with the enumerated items above that abortion would become obsolete.


I agree with Layla, I am pro-choice and also think abortion should be the last resort. Women should have healthcare and money to raise a child, the welfare system does not really address that for low income women here in the US.

The title of the thread and video is inflammatory. In the United States, DOCTORS perform abortions. Abortionist is the old word for when it was illegal and unsafe. We don't call doctors who perform amputations Amputationists.

There are many vocations where guilt is involved, the person doing the job has to decide the cost to themselves - not everybody in the world. No one size fits all here. There is documentation about people who fly carpet bombing missions, and those who dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (killing 130,000 people). Some can do it, some can't. Some realize later that it's wrong for them personally to do as a profession, as they can in our volunteer armed forces today. We don't call them Mass Murderers - but that's what they are.

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Reply #24 posted 05/28/18 11:45am

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jjhunsecker said:

poppys said:

No one ever wants to acknowledge that some women do not want to be mothers and they have their reasons. That's their choice. They also may not want to be pregnant or give a child up for adoption, never knowing it's fate. Again, their choice.

It's become a cliche but it's still true - if men had the babies we would not even be having this conversation.


As someone once said, if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament

lol They'd probably offer them at golf camp.

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Reply #25 posted 05/28/18 2:48pm

CherryMoon57

LadyLayla said:

I have been and will be pro-choice, but believe abortion should be the last resort. That being said here is what I would like to see here in the US

  1. Sex Education--I've seen some hopeful sites on-line. Given the current atmosphere in our schools I'd be retisent to ask someone to teach it! But EDUCATION has to be the building block
  2. Abstinence--Can we all agree to holding off till 16 or 17?
  3. Birth Control--Condoms, Birth Control Pills (not my first choice because of side effects) and most importantly, the morning after pill
  4. Adoption--Comes with its own set of issues

I've seen videos like this before and sought out the home site. I kind of felt like the video was somewhat manipulative and then saw the home site was definitely political. This site was praising Trump for defunding Planned Parenthood of up to $60 million. Therefore the site which seems to be more political than informational doesn't hold much credibility with me.

Sorry Cherry! Always much love to you from me! I would hope with the enumerated items above that abortion would become obsolete.


Thank you LadyLayla, I appreciate you taking the time for an elaborate answer. I agree that it is always important to check what lays behind any organisation or campaign just in case, although you will often find that by climbing all the way up to the source, most of everything out there is pretty much linked to the powers that be.

Overall your suggestions sound very reasonable and are I think a very sensible approach. What puzzles me still though, with this 'pro-choice' way of packaging the 'pro-abortion' perspective, is that amongst all of the possible 'choices' the most human friendly one is very often quietly ignored.

Why didn't your post read:

1. Get some support, keep the baby and try to love him or her,

then follow with the other suggestions.

In this age of increased humanistic awareness, not many wish to acknowledge the very existence of children, let alone put them first. What is so abominable about children that creates this utmost rejection of our own species, the very innocent state of what we all once were now becoming an unecessary 'thing of the past'.

Babies, like albums and books and black lives, still do matter. In fact anyone matters. Who are we to judge whether a life, (any life) matters more than another, to the point of categorising the other worthy of being terminated - in other words, killed?

Isn't that some form of supremacy?

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Reply #26 posted 05/28/18 3:04pm

CherryMoon57

jjhunsecker said:

CherryMoon57 said:

^^No one said everyone has to have babies. There are many ways not to have babies without resorting to abortion. If one way or another a woman ends up being pregnant, perhaps she (and her partner, if he is still with her at that point) should face up to the consequences from those other choices they have made prior to her becoming pregnant.


That said I am not here to judge anyone who may have made a 'mistake' or who ended up being caught up in the aftermaths of the mistakes of another individual. But are these babies necessarily mere 'mistakes' or simply another part of one's life that is meant to challenge us and help us grow (up)? No one said life was easy and just because we do not like the challenges or people/babies that life (or God) places on our path, doesn't mean that 'eliminating' them is the best answer, even if it may seem the easier option at the time.

The video's emphasis is placed on the cruel and heartless practice that is the abortion process, which still stands regardless.

Isn't also cruel and heartless to bring unwanted children into the world, especially if the parent(s) are unable or unwilling, or just too stupid or simply unfit to raise a child, and give it the love and attention it needs? Aren't these "unwanted " children the ones who end up getting abused or neglected, with all the issues that come along with that treatment?


Of course it is. But the questions should be what causes so many to treat children that way and what causes our society to feel that way about children. Perhaps if society didn't make so easy to 'get rid' of unborn children, people wouldn't see them as 'things' that you can choose to have or not, just like stuff you buy online then return if you change your mind. I think the normalisation and acceptance of abortion is one of the contributing factors to the de-humanisation of our society.

'Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter' Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Reply #27 posted 05/28/18 3:28pm

poppys

Are you a devout Catholic, Cherry Moon? Is that what is driving all this?

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Reply #28 posted 05/28/18 3:32pm

CherryMoon57

poppys said:

LadyLayla said:

I have been and will be pro-choice, but believe abortion should be the last resort. That being said here is what I would like to see here in the US

  1. Sex Education--I've seen some hopeful sites on-line. Given the current atmosphere in our schools I'd be retisent to ask someone to teach it! But EDUCATION has to be the building block
  2. Abstinence--Can we all agree to holding off till 16 or 17?
  3. Birth Control--Condoms, Birth Control Pills (not my first choice because of side effects) and most importantly, the morning after pill
  4. Adoption--Comes with its own set of issues

I've seen videos like this before and sought out the home site. I kind of felt like the video was somewhat manipulative and then saw the home site was definitely political. This site was praising Trump for defunding Planned Parenthood of up to $60 million. Therefore the site which seems to be more political than informational doesn't hold much credibility with me.

Sorry Cherry! Always much love to you from me! I would hope with the enumerated items above that abortion would become obsolete.


I agree with Layla, I am pro-choice and also think abortion should be the last resort. Women should have healthcare and money to raise a child, the welfare system does not really address that for low income women here in the US.

The title of the thread and video is inflammatory. In the United States, DOCTORS perform abortions. Abortionist is the old word for when it was illegal and unsafe. We don't call doctors who perform amputations Amputationists.

There are many vocations where guilt is involved, the person doing the job has to decide the cost to themselves - not everybody in the world. No one size fits all here. There is documentation about people who fly carpet bombing missions, and those who dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (killing 130,000 people). Some can do it, some can't. Some realize later that it's wrong for them personally to do as a profession, as they can in our volunteer armed forces today. We don't call them Mass Murderers - but that's what they are.


Perhaps it is, and I believe they are actually performed by obstetricians, but then again since an abortion is a totally different procedure to helping a woman give birth (or give 'life' as we say in French), the term 'abortionist' reflects better the activity and indignation felt about the cruel realities of it. Besides, if the video and my post had been titled 'Former obstetricians talk about their job' that would have probably been seen as misleading. There's no winning here.

As for your last paragraph, I totally agree. Any form of killing of innocent lives is 'murder' no matter how accepted it is by the general public or governments.

'Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter' Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Reply #29 posted 05/28/18 3:50pm

CherryMoon57

poppys said:

Are you a devout Catholic, Cherry Moon? Is that what is driving all this?


falloff No, I am not. You don't have to be a catholic to disagree with the concept of abortions, do you?

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