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Reply #90 posted 05/14/18 11:44pm

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On April 27 2018, in an NBC News Interview, Veselnitskaya stated “I am a lawyer, and I am an informant,” adding that “since 2013, I have been actively communicating with the office of the Russian prosecutor general,” Yury Chaika. Her admission to being an informant contradicted her November 2017 statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee, in which she said “I have no relationship with Mr. Chaika, his representatives and his institutions other than those related to my professional functions as a lawyer.” [

And how are they suggesting she influenced the election result? There are obviously thousands of Russians in the US and thousands of Americans in Russia. Some of them will be spys on both sides. That’s not a story in itself.

So you have no issue with the staff (and the family) of a candidate meeting with a foreign national (who you concede may have been a spy) in order to get information on an opponent that could change the outcome of the election ? How would they know that these people were working in the best interest of America, and NOT their home country ? That sounds perfectly fine to you ?

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Reply #91 posted 05/15/18 6:35am

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The title of the thread is fine. You just have your priorities and judgement all screwed up based on your partisan politics.

LOL. I’ve voted for 4 different parties since I was of age to participate. You?

What is your point comparing the voting systems of the US and New Zealand? I consider voting for other parties, but not in a Presidential election with the Electoral College in our hair. Yours may be better but it is what it is. You have 4.70 million people, roughly the same population as our state of South Carolina. We have 50 states and 326 million people. I love to talk politics - but if you're just US bashing without solid arguments, there's gonna be blowback.

How does this relate to you saying Russian involvement in our elections doesn't need to be investigated? As JJ asked, does that bother you at all? What if they were doing it in your country?

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Reply #92 posted 05/15/18 6:40am

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poppys said:

nd33 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:
LOL. I’ve voted for 4 different parties since I was of age to participate. You?

What is your point comparing the voting systems of the US and New Zealand? I consider voting for other parties, but not in a Presidential election with the Electoral College in our hair. Yours may be better but it is what it is. You have 4.70 million people, roughly the same population as our state of South Carolina. We have 50 states and 360 million people. I love to talk politics - but if you're just US bashing without solid arguments, there's gonna be blowback.

How does this relate to you saying Russian involvement in our elections doesn't need to be investigated? As JJ asked, does that bother you at all? What if they were doing it in your country?


That's it! ^

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Reply #93 posted 05/15/18 2:46pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

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Also note that both Comey and Meuller are Republicans. At least some of them still care about deomcracy and the rule of law.



It's not a partisan "witch-hunt" that's for sure, it's his own people, the very folks he chose to serve. That alone says it all.


Not even just trump. People like McCain, Graham, Gingrich, etc. were very very high on Mueller when he was picked. It's not a witch hunt at all. 19 indictments and several guilty pleas. There are crimes everywhere surrounding a disturbingly large number of Trump's inner circle. If you think he knew nothing about any of this, you're kidding yourself. What have some of you got against the rule of law and investigators doing their fucking jobs? I thought you guys loved cops and locking people up.

There's a reason Donald never released his tax returns and it wasn't because he was being audited.

The poeple crying foul here and weird and desperate. Like the next time I'm brought up on charges and brought to trial, I guess unless the jury and the cop who arrested me are all white, all voted for Obama and Hillary and are registered independents, then somehow I get to claim I didn't get a fair trial.

It's fucking bizzare.

Lord knows if Hillary had won, we'd be on day 400 of Benghazi email investigation #97.

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Reply #94 posted 05/15/18 3:06pm

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There is a great documentary series on Netflix called Dirty Money. They devote an entire episode on Trump and it’s certainly worth a watch, especially when they get towards the end and “his” Hotel in Russia and his associates.

Heck, the entire series is wonderful. Dirty Money on Netflix, watch it!
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Reply #95 posted 05/15/18 3:08pm

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jjhunsecker said:

nd33 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said: I have no idea how that could be confusing, but the point is, that you’re probably more like to be partisan if you’re just voting for the same party every election like it’s a religion.

What if one party is more aligned with your personal beliefs and values ?


This.

I tend to vote democrat for a reason. I find Republicans mean and abhorent and greedy most of the time. I've voted for a few, a couple of independents and even a Libertarian or two but:

- I'm pro choice

- I favor progressive taxation
- Support Medicare, Social Security, single payer health care, LBGT rights, reasonable gun control, equal pay for equal work, public education, the EPA, DACA, fair elections and a social safety net
- I believe in climate science and the separation of church and state
- I oppose monopolies, tax exempt status for mega churches, pre-emptive war, border walls, pre-emptive war, censorship, gerry mandering, voter ID, etc.

I could go on. Who the fuck you think I'm gonna vote for? I don't just pull this stuff out of my ass. I'm 51 and these things matter to me.

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Reply #96 posted 05/15/18 3:38pm

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herb4 said:



jjhunsecker said:




nd33 said:


Ugot2shakesumthin said: I have no idea how that could be confusing, but the point is, that you’re probably more like to be partisan if you’re just voting for the same party every election like it’s a religion.

What if one party is more aligned with your personal beliefs and values ?




This.

I tend to vote democrat for a reason. I find Republicans mean and abhorent and greedy most of the time. I've voted for a few, a couple of independents and even a Libertarian or two but:

- I'm pro choice


- I favor progressive taxation
- Support Medicare, Social Security, single payer health care, LBGT rights, reasonable gun control, equal pay for equal work, public education, the EPA, DACA, fair elections and a social safety net
- I believe in climate science and the separation of church and state
- I oppose monopolies, tax exempt status for mega churches, pre-emptive war, border walls, pre-emptive war, censorship, gerry mandering, voter ID, etc.

I could go on. Who the fuck you think I'm gonna vote for? I don't just pull this stuff out of my ass. I'm 51 and these things matter to me.



Not only that, people who are not American may not understand that sadly here there are only two viable options. Wish that was different but that’s what it is. So it’s either voting for the GOP, a racist party that has associated itself as the party bought and paid for by lobbyists to align itself against the better values of humanity for the profit of whomever was lining their pockets. ...Or the lesser of that evil. No party is perfect as no person is either, but the GOP has become a lock-step deviant party that patronizes the ignorant for the sole benefit of business bribery. Sadly, or appropriately Trump fits that party and its deviant mentality to the tee.
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Reply #97 posted 05/16/18 7:31am

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Oh the shit is getting real.



Trump Jr. says he did not discuss Russian Trump Tower meetings with his father
lol

https://www.cnn.com/2018/...index.html
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Reply #98 posted 05/16/18 8:10am

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herb4 said:

jjhunsecker said:

What if one party is more aligned with your personal beliefs and values ?


This.

I tend to vote democrat for a reason. I find Republicans mean and abhorent and greedy most of the time. I've voted for a few, a couple of independents and even a Libertarian or two but:

- I'm pro choice

- I favor progressive taxation
- Support Medicare, Social Security, single payer health care, LBGT rights, reasonable gun control, equal pay for equal work, public education, the EPA, DACA, fair elections and a social safety net
- I believe in climate science and the separation of church and state
- I oppose monopolies, tax exempt status for mega churches, pre-emptive war, border walls, pre-emptive war, censorship, gerry mandering, voter ID, etc.

I could go on. Who the fuck you think I'm gonna vote for? I don't just pull this stuff out of my ass. I'm 51 and these things matter to me.

My sentiments exactly

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Reply #99 posted 05/16/18 3:05pm

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So now we are hearing that Guliani has said that Mueller cannot indict a sitting President. That he would have to be impeached first. So it looks like that's where this is all going.

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Reply #100 posted 05/16/18 5:35pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

So now we are hearing that Guliani has said that Mueller cannot indict a sitting President. That he would have to be impeached first. So it looks like that's where this is all going.


Why not? Can you post that story?

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Reply #101 posted 05/16/18 6:21pm

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https://www.politico.com/...tel-591882

Senate intelligence leaders: Russians schemed to help Trump
By MARTIN MATISHAK and KYLE CHENEY 05/16/2018 12:33 PM EDT Updated 05/16/2018 01:12 PM EDT
Republican and Democratic leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee on Wednesday endorsed the U.S. intelligence community’s assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 presidential election to help President Donald Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton.

It’s a powerful bipartisan endorsement of a conclusion that had been called into question by Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee, who have accused intelligence agencies of failing to employ proper “tradecraft” when they concluded Russia came to support Trump’s candidacy. Instead, it’s the Republic
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Reply #102 posted 05/16/18 6:23pm

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https://www.politico.com/...pts-590957

Trump Jr.'s team wanted stories straight on Russian lawyer meeting
The details were part of more than 2,500 pages of documents based on interviews with attendees of the meeting between Trump aides and a Russian attorney.
By ELANA SCHOR, KYLE CHENEY and ELI OKUN 05/16/2018 09:14 AM EDT Updated 05/16/2018 06:35 PM EDT
Attorneys for Donald Trump Jr. sought to coordinate public statements for attendees of a June 2016 meeting between a Kremlin-connected lawyer and top Trump campaign aides after news broke of the controversial sit-down, according to transcripts released Wednesday by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

The 2016 meeting at Trump Tower — attended by Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and indicted former campaign chairman Paul Manafort — was billed as an opportunity for Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya to share damaging information about Hillary Clinton.
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Reply #103 posted 05/17/18 6:25am

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poppys said:



nd33 said:


Ugot2shakesumthin said:
The title of the thread is fine. You just have your priorities and judgement all screwed up based on your partisan politics.


LOL. I’ve voted for 4 different parties since I was of age to participate. You?


What is your point comparing the voting systems of the US and New Zealand? I consider voting for other parties, but not in a Presidential election with the Electoral College in our hair. Yours may be better but it is what it is. You have 4.70 million people, roughly the same population as our state of South Carolina. We have 50 states and 326 million people. I love to talk politics - but if you're just US bashing without solid arguments, there's gonna be blowback.

How does this relate to you saying Russian involvement in our elections doesn't need to be investigated? As JJ asked, does that bother you at all? What if they were doing it in your country?

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My point was in reply to someone saying I was partisan, so was just providing some context. I would never join a political party, I think it’s detrimental to democracy. I believe in approaching every election as an independent and voting on conscience.
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Reply #104 posted 05/17/18 6:30am

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Does everyone remember the original accusation? That Russia stole emails from DNC and gave them to team Trump? That went awry when investigation pointed toward them being leaked from inside.

Now it seems like it’s morphed into a fraud case or something. I have no doubt that team Trump is shady as fuck on the business front. They’ll find something there surely.
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Reply #105 posted 05/17/18 7:57am

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I'd like to thank Rudy for hurting his boss again. Getting dirt from Russia is fine right? Dumb ass.

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Reply #106 posted 05/17/18 7:57am

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I'll let Trump go to a country club prison. Sure.

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Reply #107 posted 05/17/18 8:05am

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nd33 said:

poppys said:

What is your point comparing the voting systems of the US and New Zealand? I consider voting for other parties, but not in a Presidential election with the Electoral College in our hair. Yours may be better but it is what it is. You have 4.70 million people, roughly the same population as our state of South Carolina. We have 50 states and 326 million people. I love to talk politics - but if you're just US bashing without solid arguments, there's gonna be blowback.

How does this relate to you saying Russian involvement in our elections doesn't need to be investigated? As JJ asked, does that bother you at all? What if they were doing it in your country?

edit - US population number

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My point was in reply to someone saying I was partisan, so was just providing some context. I would never join a political party, I think it’s detrimental to democracy. I believe in approaching every election as an independent and voting on conscience.

Good for you. I vote on conscience too, that's why I have voted for a Democrat in almost every election, because they support my values, and if they occassionally " patronize " me, that's better than being demonized and attacked by the Republicans

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Reply #108 posted 05/17/18 8:06am

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Voting isn't enuff.

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Reply #109 posted 05/17/18 8:07am

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Does everyone remember the original accusation? That Russia stole emails from DNC and gave them to team Trump? That went awry when investigation pointed toward them being leaked from inside. Now it seems like it’s morphed into a fraud case or something. I have no doubt that team Trump is shady as fuck on the business front. They’ll find something there surely.

These investigations give them leeway into looking into whatever they find out during the course of their searching....

Were you up in arms when the Clinton investigation into Whitewater morphed into investigating his relationship with Monica Lewinsky ?

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Reply #110 posted 05/17/18 2:02pm

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Donald Trump Jr. called blocked telephone numbers before and after the Russian meeting.

Those numbers won't be blocked forever.

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Reply #111 posted 05/17/18 4:15pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Donald Trump Jr. called blocked telephone numbers before and after the Russian meeting.

Those numbers won't be blocked forever.



Looks like everyone is cutting deals with Mueller. Trump is in deep shit.
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Reply #112 posted 05/18/18 7:53am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

RodeoSchro said:

Donald Trump Jr. called blocked telephone numbers before and after the Russian meeting.

Those numbers won't be blocked forever.

Looks like everyone is cutting deals with Mueller. Trump is in deep shit.



That must have been one ugly divorce to get a guy to turn on his old father-in-law. Or, as many have speculated, Manafort induced his son-in-law to lie on bank loan applications and claim that certain real estate holdings were owner-occupied when they weren't.

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Reply #113 posted 05/21/18 4:12am

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Despite the accusations of "illegality" against the FBI, I have yet to see a *single* coherent narrative of innocence that explains the 75+ contacts with Russians operatives by top campaign officials – or why every single one of them has lied about them.

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Reply #114 posted 05/23/18 5:57am

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Wait for it...

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Reply #115 posted 06/15/18 9:44am

Musicslave

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics/judge-sends-paul-manafort-to-jail-pending-trial/index.html

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Judge sends Paul Manafort to jail, pending trial

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Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort will await his trial for foreign lobbying charges from jail.

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Two weeks after Robert Mueller's prosecutors dropped new accusations of witness tampering on him, US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson Friday revoked Manafort's bail, which allowed him out on house arrest.
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"The harm in this case is harm to the administration of justice and harm to the integrity of the court's system," Berman Jackson told Manafort in court.
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The judge emphasized to Manafort how she could not make enough rulings to keep him from speaking improperly with witnesses, after he had used multiple text messaging apps and called a potential witness on an Italian cell phone.
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"This is not middle school. I can't take his cell phone," she said of Manafort. "I thought about this long and hard, Mr. Manafort. I have no appetite for this."
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In her wind-up to her order, Berman Jackson also gave a brief nod to the bitter environment around the case.
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In the past month, Manafort finally came up with a plan to post some of his own and others' properties for his bail. The prosecutors appeared to agree with the plan, according to court filings.
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Then, last week, Mueller's team alleged they found evidence Manafort had tried to tell possible witnesses in his case to lie about their lobbying efforts under him in the US.
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The witness tampering allegations, which also resulted in new criminal charges, were enough Friday for him to lose his house arrest privileges.
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Prosecutors argued that Manafort is a "danger to the community" and that he committed a crime while out on release, obstruction of justice. They said he carried out a "sustained campaign of over five weeks" using different phones and apps to try to mold testimony of witnesses.

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Reply #116 posted 06/15/18 9:53am

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trump on Manafort: ""Manafort has nothing to do with our campaign," Trump said. "But I tell you, I feel a little badly about it. They went back 12 years to get things that he did 12 years ago. Paul Manafort worked for me for a very short period of time."

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Does he even listen to himself talk? lol lol lol lol This guy lol

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