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Trump Russia collusion

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Key Russian In Trump Tower Meeting Is A Kremlin ‘Informant’


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Reply #1 posted 04/27/18 8:35pm

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Key Russian In Trump Tower Meeting Is A Kremlin ‘Informant’



Yep - she had deeper ties ot the Kremlin than she let on. The House Unintelligent Committe is full partisan hacks.

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Reply #2 posted 04/27/18 8:51pm

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The Russian involvement with the Trump campaign may all just be sweet and innocent as the GOP outlined today in their partisan report that concludes that there was no collusion, (just sweet sweet pee-pee nothings.) But we’ll see once Mueller is done with the federal investigation.
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Reply #3 posted 04/28/18 3:31pm

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Going on two years with this shit. What a waste of fucking time/money.
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Reply #4 posted 04/28/18 3:39pm

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nd33 said:

Going on two years with this shit. What a waste of fucking time/money.

Facebook altered their policies because of it. Worth every penny.

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Reply #6 posted 04/28/18 3:59pm

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nd33 said:


Going on two years with this shit. What a waste of fucking time/money.


Facebook altered their policies because of it. Worth every penny.



Facebook’s a corporate spying, privacy trashing piece of shit. Like the US govt as well as the DNC, ruled by egotistical idiots.
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Reply #7 posted 04/28/18 4:01pm

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nd33 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Facebook altered their policies because of it. Worth every penny.

Facebook’s a corporate spying, privacy trashing piece of shit. Like the US govt as well as the DNC, ruled by egotistical idiots.

....okie dokie

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Reply #8 posted 04/28/18 4:13pm

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Why the DNC Is Fighting WikiLeaks and Not Wall Street

Apr 24, 2018
Exactly 200 days before the crucial midterm election that will determine whether Republicans maintain control of Congress, the Democratic National Committee filed a 66-page lawsuit that surely cost lots of money and energy to assemble.

Does the lawsuit target purveyors of racist barriers to voting that block and deflect so many people of color from casting their ballots?

No.

Well, perhaps this ballyhooed lawsuit aims to ensure the rights of people who don’t mainly speak English to get full access to voting information?

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Unfortunately, no.

Maybe it’s a legal action to challenge the ridiculously sparse voting booths provided in college precincts?

Not that either.

Announced with a flourish by DNC Chair Tom Perez, the civil lawsuit—which reads like a partisan polemic wrapped in legalisms—sues the Russian government, the Trump campaign and operatives, as well as WikiLeaks and its founding editor, Julian Assange.

It’s hard to imagine that many voters in swing districts—who’ll determine whether the GOP runs the House through the end of 2020—will be swayed by the Russia-related accusations contained in the lawsuit. People are far more concerned about economic insecurity for themselves and their families, underscored by such matters as the skyrocketing costs of health care and college education.

To emphasize that “this is a patriotic—not partisan—move,” Perez’s announcement of the lawsuit on April 20 quoted one politician, Republican Sen. John McCain, reaching for the hyperbolic sky: “When you attack a country, it’s an act of war. And so we have to make sure that there is a price to pay, so that we can perhaps persuade the Russians to stop these kind of attacks on our very fundamentals of democracy.”

Setting aside the dangerous rhetoric about “an act of war,” it’s an odd quotation to choose. For Russia, there’s no “price to pay” from a civil lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York. As the DNC well knows, any judgment against such entities as the Russian Federation and the general staff of its armed forces would be unenforceable.

The DNC’s lawsuit amounts to doubling down on its fixation of blaming Russia for the Democratic Party’s monumental 2016 loss, at a time when it’s essential to remedy the failed approaches that were major causes of Hillary Clinton’s defeat in the first place. Instead of confronting its fealty to Wall Street or overall failure to side with working-class voters against economic elites, the Democratic National Committee is ramping up the party leadership’s 18-month fixation on Russia Russia Russia.

After a humongous political investment in depicting Vladimir Putin as a pivotal Trump patron and a mortal threat to American democracy, strategists atop the Democratic Party don’t want to let up on seeking a big return from that investment. Protecting the investment will continue to mean opposing the “threat” of détente between the world’s two nuclear superpowers, while giving the party a political stake in thwarting any warming of the current ominously frigid relations between Moscow and Washington.

In truth, the party’s Russia fixation leaves significantly less messaging space for economic and social issues that the vast majority of Americans care about far more. Similarly, the Russia obsession at MSNBC (which routinely seems like “MSDNC”) has left scant airtime for addressing, or even noting, the economic concerns of so many Americans. (For instance, see the data in FAIR’s study, “Russia or Corporate Tax Cuts: Which Would Comcast Rather MSNBC Cover?”)

But even some of the congressional Democrats who’ve been prominent “Russiagate” enthusiasts have recognized that the lawsuit is off track. When Wolf Blitzer on CNN asked a member of the House Intelligence Committee, Jackie Speier, whether she believes that Perez and his DNC team “are making a big mistake by filing this lawsuit,” the California congresswoman’s reply was blunt: “Well, I’m not supportive of it. Whether it’s a mistake or not we’ll soon find out.” Speier called the lawsuit “ill-conceived.”

The most unprincipled part of the lawsuit has to do with its targeting of Assange and WikiLeaks. That aspect of the suit shows that the DNC is being run by people whose attitude toward a free press—ironically enough—has marked similarities to Donald Trump’s.

Early in his presidency, Trump proclaimed that news media are “the enemy of the American people.” Of course, he didn’t mean all media, just the outlets providing information and analysis he doesn’t like.

What Perez and the DNC crew are now promoting via the lawsuit is also harmful, though more camouflaged. The lawsuit’s key arguments against WikiLeaks are contrary to the First Amendment, and they could be made against major U.S. newspapers. Unauthorized disclosures are common, with news outlets routinely reporting on information obtained from leaks, hacks and various forms of theft.

Just as the government’s criminal prosecutions for leaks are extremely selective, the DNC position is that a media outlet that’s despised by a powerful party could be sued for potentially huge sums.

But—unless it’s functionally shredded—the First Amendment doesn’t only protect media outlets that powerful interests believe are behaving acceptably. That’s why the Nixon administration was unable to prevent The New York Times and Washington Post from publishing the Pentagon Papers in 1971.

Now, the DNC lawsuit’s perverse “logic” for suing WikiLeaks could just as easily be applied by any deep-pocketed group that wants to strike back at a publisher for revealing “stolen” information that harmed the aggrieved party.

In view of the national Democratic Party’s deference to corporate power, we might see why the DNC is taking the current approach. It would be a much steeper uphill challenge to actually champion the interests of most Americans—which would require taking on Wall Street, a key patron of both major political parties.

Nor would it be easy for the Democratic Party to advocate for U.S.-Russia détente that could reduce the risks of nuclear conflagration. Such advocacy would enrage the kingpins of the military-industrial cartel complex as well as most of the corporate-owned and corporate-advertised news media.

How much easier it is to make some political hay by targeting Russia with a civil lawsuit. How much more convenient it is to show utter contempt for the First Amendment by suing Julian Assange and WikiLeaks.

A loud and clear message from the Democrats’ 2016 election debacle is that hoping for working-class votes while refusing to do battle against corporate exploiters of the working class is a political dead end. “The mainstream Democratic storyline of victims without victimizers lacks both plausibility and passion,” says an independent report, “Autopsy: The Democratic Party in Crisis.” Six months after the release of that report (which I co-authored), the DNC still is unwilling to polarize with elite corporate interests, while remaining extra eager to portray Russia and WikiLeaks as liable for the 2016 disaster.

So, unfortunately, this assessment in the “Autopsy” remains all too relevant: “The idea that the Democrats can somehow convince Wall Street to work on behalf of Main Street through mild chiding, rather than acting as Main Street’s champion against the wealthy, no longer resonates. We live in a time of unrest and justified cynicism towards those in power; Democrats will not win if they continue to bring a wonk knife to a populist gunfight. Nor can Democratic leaders and operatives be seen as real allies of the working class if they’re afraid to alienate big funders or to harm future job or consulting prospects.”

Willingness to challenge Wall Street would certainly alienate some of the Democratic Party’s big donors. And such moves would likely curb the future earning power of high-ranking party officials, who can now look forward to upward spikes in incomes from consultant deals and cushy positions at well-heeled firms. With eyes on the prizes from corporate largesse, DNC officials don’t see downsides to whacking at WikiLeaks and undermining press freedom in the process.
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Reply #9 posted 04/28/18 4:43pm

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^

props to Norman Solomon, but that does not address the merits of the Russia investigation which have been proven, through Facebook ads to have played a part in the election.

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Reply #10 posted 04/28/18 7:34pm

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Going on two years with this shit. What a waste of fucking time/money.

nope.

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Reply #11 posted 05/01/18 4:19am

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nd33 said:

Going on two years with this shit. What a waste of fucking time/money.

nope.

If there are facts to follow, take as much time as you like, Mr. Mueller.

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Reply #12 posted 05/01/18 5:23am

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bored Lads, there was no collusion. A few facebook ads, phonecalls and meetings aren't the reason Trump won an election. If Russia had pulled some USA-style assasination-bombing "regime change" attempts there'd be something interesting to talk about but they barely made an effort.

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Reply #13 posted 05/01/18 6:39am

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bored Lads, there was no collusion. A few facebook ads, phonecalls and meetings aren't the reason Trump won an election. If Russia had pulled some USA-style assasination-bombing "regime change" attempts there'd be something interesting to talk about but they barely made an effort.



If Trump goes down, it’ll be on a technicality, or some shit to do with womanising. It won’t be to do with anything that actually affected the election.

Here’s the real story:
“Nearly two-thirds of adult U.S. citizens will stay away from the polls during the coming midterm elections, and they say they have given up on the political parties and a system that they say is beyond reform and repair, according to a Suffolk University/USA Today nationwide survey of unregistered and unlikely voters.”

http://www.suffolk.edu/ne...uhqJaSxWhD
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Reply #14 posted 05/01/18 7:16am

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There is no collusion. A witchhunt, a witchhunt.

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Reply #15 posted 05/01/18 10:05am

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Now, this is batshit crazy. Republicans are eating their own to stop the investigation. Imagine if Nixon had pulled half of this crap!



House Conservatives Draft Articles Of Impeachment Against Rod Rosenstein

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A group of conservative House members has drafted articles of impeachment against Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who is overseeing special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe, multiple news organizations reported Monday.

The reported draft is the latest in an ongoing feud between Congress members allied with President Donald Trump and the Justice Department over its investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

Members of the House Freedom Caucus, a group of conservatives led by Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), recently finalized the draft, The Washington Post reported.

Meadows called it “a last-resort option if the Department of Justice fails to respond” to congressional requests for documents pertaining to the Russia investigation and another federal inquiry into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.

A representative of Meadows did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The impeachment articles accuse Rosenstein of several transgressions, The Hill reported, including that he violated federal law by not immediately complying with a congressional subpoena to release documents regarding FBI surveillance during the 2016 presidential election.

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Reply #16 posted 05/01/18 11:40am

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I'll post this again and again if necessary

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I mean this guy fires the FBI director, wants to fire the investigators and everyone else who wants to get to the bottom of this, This is straight out of a fictional third world country dictator. How is this still happening? How is this ok with the GOP? How is this OK with anyone? With ANY news organization?( FOX "News" i'm looking at you) This is completely bonkers to me.

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Reply #18 posted 05/01/18 12:43pm

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https://www.vanityfair.co...jack-bryan

Jack Bryan was your average Upper East Side-raised son of a millionaire trying to get his filmmaking career started when Donald Trump began persistently popping up in his life. In New York City’s social circuit, Bryan’s father, Shelby Bryan—a telecom mogul and Democratic donor—was friendly enough with Trump, perhaps because both are relative outsiders (Bryan being from Texas, and Trump being Trump). On vacation in Palm Beach in 2008, the Bryan family was immersed in the scuttlebutt about how a then financially strapped Trump had curiously managed to sell a Palm Beach estate he’d bought for $41 million to Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev for $95 million. Around 2012, Shelby Bryan shared a car to the U.S. Open with the real-estate tycoon, after which he told his son, “That guy sure does like Russia.” The elder Bryan (who is also the longtime partner of Condé Nast’s artistic director, Anna Wintour) also brought his sons, Jack and Austin, on a golfing trip to the United Kingdom, where Trump gave them early access to his Trump International Golf Links course in Scotland and chatted with them after their game.


To Jack, Trump registered as a “harmless clown who would appear in the tabloids.” But as Trump’s political ambitions solidified, the younger Bryan began to take notice. A self-described “pragmatic lefty,” he had often texted with his friend and fellow politics junkie Marley Clements about world affairs. When Clements proposed that Russians may have been involved in the hacking of the Democratic... Committee during the summer of 2016, Bryan expressed skeptical interest.

Then, in March 2017, former F.B.I. agent Clint Watts testified to the Senate Intelligence Committee that Trump himself had engaged in “active measures”—a term that describes the Russian propaganda tactic of using disinformation and manipulation of events to promote its foreign policy. That’s when Bryan said to Clements, “Somebody needs to make a film about this.”

Active Measures, a dizzying and rigorously researched documentary, premieres at Toronto’s Hot Docs film festival this week, where C.A.A. is representing the film in its hunt for a distributor. It is 33-year-old Jack Bryan’s effort to connect the dots between Trump and Russia, including Vladimir Putin himself. “I want to alert people, and I knew no one else was going to do it in time for the midterm elections,” he said over beers at Williamsburg’s Radegast Hall recently. “I felt like I could.”

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Reply #19 posted 05/01/18 12:44pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I mean this guy fires the FBI director, wants to fire the investigators and everyone else who wants to get to the bottom of this, This is straight out of a fictional third world country dictator. How is this still happening? How is this ok with the GOP? How is this OK with anyone? With ANY news organization?( FOX "News" i'm looking at you) This is completely bonkers to me.

Every day I wonder how this bullshit is happening in this country. Every single day.

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Reply #20 posted 05/08/18 7:54pm

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Michael Cohen Accepted $500,000 From Firm Tied To Russian Oligarch: Reports
Robert Mueller has reportedly interviewed the Russian oligarch about the payments to Trump’s lawyer.https://m.huffpost.com/us...b8a789f1f7
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Reply #22 posted 05/09/18 12:30pm

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I don't think it's collusion. Money laundering is my guess. The Russia stuff is just where the evidence is.

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Reply #23 posted 05/09/18 7:43pm

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herb4 said:

I don't think it's collusion. Money laundering is my guess. The Russia stuff is just where the evidence is.



He’s in deep shit. Russia, AT&T, porn star hush money and whatever else at least 4.5 million dollars gets you.
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Reply #24 posted 05/10/18 3:07pm

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herb4 said:

I don't think it's collusion. Money laundering is my guess. The Russia stuff is just where the evidence is.

He’s in deep shit. Russia, AT&T, porn star hush money and whatever else at least 4.5 million dollars gets you.


He's gonna get away with it. 60% of the nation loathes him but the other 40 are dug in deep and love the idea of a thoecratic dictatorship. If he doesn't get away with it, too many people will make him a martyr and use his downfall as validation of their bizarre conspiracy deep state theories.

We got the president we deserve.

Even I don't think there's a collusion case but there's a lot of shady, illegal shit. What gets me is his apologists, who have been brainwashed by shiny things and commercials, so much so that even they have turned on law enforcement, and that will excuse anything he does or says. It's rather embarrassing. I saw it coming decades ago but never it expected it to happen with this much speed. Figured I'd be old or dead before it really took hold.

It's a lot like a cult. Mueller, Comey, etc. are lifelong REPUBLICANS. Now they're enemies.

the thing I really can't wrap my head around is how anyone who fucking likes PRINCE of all people, could endorse a boorish stupid asshole like Donald Trump. It's astonishing to me. Bye bye, America. We had a good run.

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Reply #25 posted 05/10/18 3:12pm

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herb4 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

herb4 said: He’s in deep shit. Russia, AT&T, porn star hush money and whatever else at least 4.5 million dollars gets you.


He's gonna get away with it. 60% of the nation loathes him but the other 40 are dug in deep and love the idea of a thoecratic dictatorship. If he doesn't get away with it, too many people will make him a martyr and use his downfall as validation of their bizarre conspiracy deep state theories.

We got the president we deserve.

Even I don't think there's a collusion case but there's a lot of shady, illegal shit. What gets me is his apologists, who have been brainwashed by shiny things and commercials, so much so that even they have turned on law enforcement, and that will excuse anything he does or says. It's rather embarrassing. I saw it coming decades ago but never it expected it to happen with this much speed. Figured I'd be old or dead before it really took hold.

It's a lot like a cult. Mueller, Comey, etc. are lifelong REPUBLICANS. Now they're enemies.

the thing I really can't wrap my head around is how anyone who fucking likes PRINCE of all people, could endorse a boorish stupid asshole like Donald Trump. It's astonishing to me. Bye bye, America. We had a good run.

sadly, yeahthat

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Reply #26 posted 05/10/18 9:19pm

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13cjk13 said:



herb4 said:




Ugot2shakesumthin said:


herb4 said: He’s in deep shit. Russia, AT&T, porn star hush money and whatever else at least 4.5 million dollars gets you.


He's gonna get away with it. 60% of the nation loathes him but the other 40 are dug in deep and love the idea of a thoecratic dictatorship. If he doesn't get away with it, too many people will make him a martyr and use his downfall as validation of their bizarre conspiracy deep state theories.

We got the president we deserve.

Even I don't think there's a collusion case but there's a lot of shady, illegal shit. What gets me is his apologists, who have been brainwashed by shiny things and commercials, so much so that even they have turned on law enforcement, and that will excuse anything he does or says. It's rather embarrassing. I saw it coming decades ago but never it expected it to happen with this much speed. Figured I'd be old or dead before it really took hold.

It's a lot like a cult. Mueller, Comey, etc. are lifelong REPUBLICANS. Now they're enemies.

the thing I really can't wrap my head around is how anyone who fucking likes PRINCE of all people, could endorse a boorish stupid asshole like Donald Trump. It's astonishing to me. Bye bye, America. We had a good run.



sadly, yeahthat



Isn’t amazing the double standard? Our own OnlyNDaUsa along with white right wingers run to defend all of this but if anyone else, much less Obama was even a hint this sleazy and corrupt they would have gone bonkers.
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Reply #27 posted 05/11/18 2:43pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

13cjk13 said:

sadly, yeahthat

Isn’t amazing the double standard? Our own OnlyNDaUsa along with white right wingers run to defend all of this but if anyone else, much less Obama was even a hint this sleazy and corrupt they would have gone bonkers.

nod Truth.

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Reply #28 posted 05/11/18 4:11pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

13cjk13 said:

sadly, yeahthat

Isn’t amazing the double standard? Our own OnlyNDaUsa along with white right wingers run to defend all of this but if anyone else, much less Obama was even a hint this sleazy and corrupt they would have gone bonkers.

You must be forgetting those 3 HORRIBLE lies that Obama told in 8 years. 57 States?? You can keep your doctor?? Oh, really just 2 lies and wearing a tan suit.

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Reply #29 posted 05/12/18 6:52am

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A new CBS poll shows that most Americans now think the Russia investigation is politically motivated.

Most Americans are right.

Those who are pushing this fake collusion narrative are helping Donald Trump. His extreme Republican agenda is monstrous, but the Democrats and the media are enabling it by distracting everyone with a preposterous conspiracy theory.

“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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