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National Geographic Special Issue on race

National Geographic' Reckons With Its Past: 'For Decades, Our Coverage Was Racist'
March 12, 20187:40 PM ET
LAUREL WAMSLEY

What Mason found was a long tradition of racism in the magazine's coverage: in its text, its choice of subjects, and in its famed photography.


The April issue of National Geographic is all about race.
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"[U]ntil the 1970s National Geographic all but ignored people of color who lived in the United States, rarely acknowledging them beyond laborers or domestic workers," writes Goldberg in the issue's editor letter, where she discusses Mason's findings. "Meanwhile it pictured 'natives' elsewhere as exotics, famously and frequently unclothed, happy hunters, noble savages—every type of cliché."


https://www.npr.org/secti...was-racist
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For decades I've been a National Geographic reader (not so much lately though), but in looking back, sadly i have to agree with their assessment.

I guess the only other thing i can say is, it's good that they fessed up, but shame on them for perpetuating negative stereotypes of people of color.

Rest in Peace Bettie Boo. See u soon.
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I’m glad they admitted it. That’s the magazine that was in my household weekly, years ago. My mother often showed us images of people around the world in it, and often times, the images of Black and Brown people around the world were often depicted as exotic or exaggerated in a negative way.
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I hate the obsession with these 'black and white sibling' stories.

Neither of those kids (or any of the others) are Black or White

Both of those sisters are mixed-ethnicity. That someone looks at the tanner sister and sees Black is off tilt. The kids are mixed, every one of them.

If they were Italian/Greek/Middle Eastern, Puerto Rican-Dominican(who can have very similar admixtures) no one would feature them as 'Black and White' siblings.

.

My friend and coworker who is Italian, married a 'bi-racial' woman and their two sons look like these girls. His boy is blonde and more S European looking, and the brother looks a little more like his mother. My friend isn't even blonde.

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We invented the one drop rule.

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2freaky4church1 said:

We invented the one drop rule.

of course someone invented it, a racist ideal continually

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We, the whites.

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2freaky4church1 said:

We, the whites.

certain white -Americans yes created the racist ideal. The ODR is not a concept outside of the USA

But black -Americans also have taken that racist concept and promoted the idea too

a racist ideal is a racist ideal, no matter the reasonings

The history of its evolution is something all Americans should understand.

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Is there white supremacy?

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2freaky4church1 said:

Is there white supremacy?

you make it hard to have a conversation bro wink

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The internet is where conversation goes to die.

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2freaky4church1 said:

The internet is where conversation goes to die.

you can do better though

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2freaky4church1 said:

Is there white supremacy?


Well yes. Let me see if I can assist in answering your question. White supremacy ideology still exists or racist/hate groups who embrace it would not exist in America or elsewhere, as unfortunate a truth that is.

It was an invented ideology used and promoted not just in America, but globally. One example, it was used in the past in South Africa under Apartheid ruling. The intention behind that ideology was/is basically for one group to maintain power over another based on lies, ignorance and other cultural and racial misinformation. The one-drop rule wasn’t invented by Blacks, as that ruling was used against anyone who had a parent, grandparent, etc., of African ancestry, and labeled as Black by society’s standards. All of society in and of itself is the blame for promoting such a ruling, because even in present day, many Americans are not accepting or respect many people from various racial groups. Most still judge people based on racial characteristics they’ve been mentally and socially-conditioned by, within a system still based on race, for generations, which is why America is still experiencing racial issues in this country. We can’t pretend the problem doesn’t exist, by sugarcoating, avoiding speaking or banning and attacking those who fearlessly expose the ugly and uncomfortable truths about it/or turning a blind eye to it. Hope this helps with your question 2freak.

As far as National Geographic magazine, at least its admission of unfairly depicting Brown and Black people all over the world, in a negative way in their magazine in the past, will encourage them to do better.
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woot!

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OldFriends4Sale said:

I hate the obsession with these 'black and white sibling' stories.

Neither of those kids (or any of the others) are Black or White

Both of those sisters are mixed-ethnicity. That someone looks at the tanner sister and sees Black is off tilt. The kids are mixed, every one of them.

If they were Italian/Greek/Middle Eastern, Puerto Rican-Dominican(who can have very similar admixtures) no one would feature them as 'Black and White' siblings.

.

My friend and coworker who is Italian, married a 'bi-racial' woman and their two sons look like these girls. His boy is blonde and more S European looking, and the brother looks a little more like his mother. My friend isn't even blonde.

The girls are both "mixed" bi-racial, but if people don't know the true facts of their heritage, only one is likely to be going to be followed arouns in a store when she enters. Only one might have landlords reluctant to rent to them. Only one is going have her every academic and work achievement questioned as "affirmative action"....

So based on how they look, and what people know about them, they will live in two different Americas...

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2elijah said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Is there white supremacy?

Well yes. Let me see if I can assist in answering your question. White supremacy ideology still exists or racist/hate groups who embrace it would not exist in America or elsewhere, as unfortunate a truth that is. It was an invented ideology used and promoted not just in America, but globally. One example, it was used in the past in South Africa under Apartheid ruling. The intention behind that ideology was/is basically for one group to maintain power over another based on lies, ignorance and other cultural and racial misinformation. The one-drop rule wasn’t invented by Blacks, as that ruling was used against anyone who had a parent, grandparent, etc., of African ancestry, and labeled as Black by society’s standards. All of society in and of itself is the blame for promoting such a ruling, because even in present day, many Americans are not accepting or respect many people from various racial groups. Most still judge people based on racial characteristics they’ve been mentally and socially-conditioned by, within a system still based on race, for generations, which is why America is still experiencing racial issues in this country. We can’t pretend the problem doesn’t exist, by sugarcoating, avoiding speaking or banning and attacking those who fearlessly expose the ugly and uncomfortable truths about it/or turning a blind eye to it. Hope this helps with your question 2freak. As far as National Geographic magazine, at least its admission of unfairly depicting Brown and Black people all over the world, in a negative way in their magazine in the past, will encourage them to do better. [Edited 3/13/18 9:37am]

The so-callled "one drop rule" was something forced upon us. Black people didn't make these rules, then or now.... It's not easy to just change these rules- we can't be playing basketball when the rest of the country is playing hockey ...

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The Cosby show did have on a lot of light skinned people. Theo really went for that. lol

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2freaky4church1 said:

The Cosby show did have on a lot of light skinned people. Theo really went for that. lol

Not that uncommon in Black families. I have relatives who look like Wesley Snipes and I have relatives who look like Woody Harrelson, with every possible combination in between

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OldFriends4Sale said:

I hate the obsession with these 'black and white sibling' stories.

Neither of those kids (or any of the others) are Black or White

Both of those sisters are mixed-ethnicity. That someone looks at the tanner sister and sees Black is off tilt. The kids are mixed, every one of them.

If they were Italian/Greek/Middle Eastern, Puerto Rican-Dominican(who can have very similar admixtures) no one would feature them as 'Black and White' siblings.

.

My friend and coworker who is Italian, married a 'bi-racial' woman and their two sons look like these girls. His boy is blonde and more S European looking, and the brother looks a little more like his mother. My friend isn't even blonde.

The girls are both "mixed" bi-racial, but if people don't know the true facts of their heritage, only one is likely to be going to be followed arouns in a store when she enters. Only one might have landlords reluctant to rent to them. Only one is going have her every academic and work achievement questioned as "affirmative action"....

So based on how they look, and what people know about them, they will live in two different Americas...

being female the more mixed looking one still won't have it like a real black woman

and depending on region, country and personal perception, she still won't have that experience

she could be seen as Latina, Middle Eastern etc

But how people treat them good or bad still should not determine biological truth nor personal identity

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jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:

2freaky4church1 said: Well yes. Let me see if I can assist in answering your question. White supremacy ideology still exists or racist/hate groups who embrace it would not exist in America or elsewhere, as unfortunate a truth that is. It was an invented ideology used and promoted not just in America, but globally. One example, it was used in the past in South Africa under Apartheid ruling. The intention behind that ideology was/is basically for one group to maintain power over another based on lies, ignorance and other cultural and racial misinformation. The one-drop rule wasn’t invented by Blacks, as that ruling was used against anyone who had a parent, grandparent, etc., of African ancestry, and labeled as Black by society’s standards. All of society in and of itself is the blame for promoting such a ruling, because even in present day, many Americans are not accepting or respect many people from various racial groups. Most still judge people based on racial characteristics they’ve been mentally and socially-conditioned by, within a system still based on race, for generations, which is why America is still experiencing racial issues in this country. We can’t pretend the problem doesn’t exist, by sugarcoating, avoiding speaking or banning and attacking those who fearlessly expose the ugly and uncomfortable truths about it/or turning a blind eye to it. Hope this helps with your question 2freak. As far as National Geographic magazine, at least its admission of unfairly depicting Brown and Black people all over the world, in a negative way in their magazine in the past, will encourage them to do better. [Edited 3/13/18 9:37am]

The so-callled "one drop rule" was something forced upon us. Black people didn't make these rules, then or now.... It's not easy to just change these rules- we can't be playing basketball when the rest of the country is playing hockey ...

Do more research on the one drop rule. It originally was created to keep whites from mixing with 'mulattoes' mostly. Then extended the information to 'mulattoes and negroes'. It is still a racist ideal(that also never existed in Europe Africa South America Canada nor the Caribbeans). That is not legally binding. Black (social political) people took it from there. People who still know that it is a racist concept, still embrace it. We don't embrace that 'Negroes don't have souls' we don't embrace that 'mulattoes are sterile' we don't embrace other racist concepts that 'define us' except for this and the N word. And lie to ourselves(themselves) that is a 'bad thing turned good'. Like it is not a good thing that people try to say to a woman who was raped and conceived that the rape was good because a child came out of it.

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the 1 drop rule is why Rachel Dolezal exists and could exist.

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solidarity toward a cause does not require that one identify the same. For most of America's history it has been that way when it came to the struggle for equality.

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OldFriends4Sale said:



jjhunsecker said:




2elijah said:


2freaky4church1 said: Well yes. Let me see if I can assist in answering your question. White supremacy ideology still exists or racist/hate groups who embrace it would not exist in America or elsewhere, as unfortunate a truth that is. It was an invented ideology used and promoted not just in America, but globally. One example, it was used in the past in South Africa under Apartheid ruling. The intention behind that ideology was/is basically for one group to maintain power over another based on lies, ignorance and other cultural and racial misinformation. The one-drop rule wasn’t invented by Blacks, as that ruling was used against anyone who had a parent, grandparent, etc., of African ancestry, and labeled as Black by society’s standards. All of society in and of itself is the blame for promoting such a ruling, because even in present day, many Americans are not accepting or respect many people from various racial groups. Most still judge people based on racial characteristics they’ve been mentally and socially-conditioned by, within a system still based on race, for generations, which is why America is still experiencing racial issues in this country. We can’t pretend the problem doesn’t exist, by sugarcoating, avoiding speaking or banning and attacking those who fearlessly expose the ugly and uncomfortable truths about it/or turning a blind eye to it. Hope this helps with your question 2freak. As far as National Geographic magazine, at least its admission of unfairly depicting Brown and Black people all over the world, in a negative way in their magazine in the past, will encourage them to do better. [Edited 3/13/18 9:37am]

The so-callled "one drop rule" was something forced upon us. Black people didn't make these rules, then or now.... It's not easy to just change these rules- we can't be playing basketball when the rest of the country is playing hockey ...




Do more research on the one drop rule. It originally was created to keep whites from mixing. Then extended the information to 'mulattoes and negroes'. It is still a racist ideal. That is not legally binding. Black (social political) people took it from there. People who still know that it is a racist concept, still embrace it. We don't embrace that 'Negroes don't have souls' we don't embrace that 'mulattoes are sterile' we don't embrace other racist concepts that 'define us' except for this and the N word. And lie to ourselves(themselves) that is a 'bad thing turned good'.


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the 1 drop rule is why Rachel Dolezal exists and could exist.





I know a hell of a lot about the "one drop rule " . I have relatives who were light enough to pass for White, and completely cut their own CHILDREN out of their lives so they could live the White American dream. Compared to hundreds of thousands if not millions of cases like that, Rachel Dolezal is a instance of "man biting dog "....

Of course the "one drop rule " was a racist concept, one forced upon Black people, I would argue to this day. People are only considered "White " if they have "pure" Caucasian European ancestry. Any non White - especially African ancestry- makes them an "other "- NOT White
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OldFriends4Sale said:



jjhunsecker said:




OldFriends4Sale said:



I hate the obsession with these 'black and white sibling' stories.


Neither of those kids (or any of the others) are Black or White


Both of those sisters are mixed-ethnicity. That someone looks at the tanner sister and sees Black is off tilt. The kids are mixed, every one of them.


If they were Italian/Greek/Middle Eastern, Puerto Rican-Dominican(who can have very similar admixtures) no one would feature them as 'Black and White' siblings.


.


My friend and coworker who is Italian, married a 'bi-racial' woman and their two sons look like these girls. His boy is blonde and more S European looking, and the brother looks a little more like his mother. My friend isn't even blonde.



The girls are both "mixed" bi-racial, but if people don't know the true facts of their heritage, only one is likely to be going to be followed arouns in a store when she enters. Only one might have landlords reluctant to rent to them. Only one is going have her every academic and work achievement questioned as "affirmative action"....



So based on how they look, and what people know about them, they will live in two different Americas...




being female the more mixed looking one still won't have it like a real black woman


and depending on region, country and personal perception, she still won't have that experience


she could be seen as Latina, Middle Eastern etc


But how people treat them good or bad still should not determine biological truth nor personal identity



How people treat them is one of the most important things, as "race " is as much a social construct as a biological one
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jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Do more research on the one drop rule. It originally was created to keep whites from mixing. Then extended the information to 'mulattoes and negroes'. It is still a racist ideal. That is not legally binding. Black (social political) people took it from there. People who still know that it is a racist concept, still embrace it. We don't embrace that 'Negroes don't have souls' we don't embrace that 'mulattoes are sterile' we don't embrace other racist concepts that 'define us' except for this and the N word. And lie to ourselves(themselves) that is a 'bad thing turned good'.

.

the 1 drop rule is why Rachel Dolezal exists and could exist.

I know a hell of a lot about the "one drop rule " . I have relatives who were light enough to pass for White, and completely cut their own CHILDREN out of their lives so they could live the White American dream. Compared to hundreds of thousands if not millions of cases like that, Rachel Dolezal is a instance of "man biting dog ".... Of course the "one drop rule " was a racist concept, one forced upon Black people, I would argue to this day. People are only considered "White " if they have "pure" Caucasian European ancestry. Any non White - especially African ancestry- makes them an "other "- NOT White

That is right, so again, the title on that magazine angers me, she is not white / she is not black, they are mixed, multiethnic, Euro-African mixed. Neither White Nor Black Yet Both(good book)

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the ODR was and IS a racist concept

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I challenge 'white' people on that term 'white' as well, because the racial terms are racist too.

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OldFriends4Sale said:



jjhunsecker said:




2elijah said:


2freaky4church1 said: Well yes. Let me see if I can assist in answering your question. White supremacy ideology still exists or racist/hate groups who embrace it would not exist in America or elsewhere, as unfortunate a truth that is. It was an invented ideology used and promoted not just in America, but globally. One example, it was used in the past in South Africa under Apartheid ruling. The intention behind that ideology was/is basically for one group to maintain power over another based on lies, ignorance and other cultural and racial misinformation. The one-drop rule wasn’t invented by Blacks, as that ruling was used against anyone who had a parent, grandparent, etc., of African ancestry, and labeled as Black by society’s standards. All of society in and of itself is the blame for promoting such a ruling, because even in present day, many Americans are not accepting or respect many people from various racial groups. Most still judge people based on racial characteristics they’ve been mentally and socially-conditioned by, within a system still based on race, for generations, which is why America is still experiencing racial issues in this country. We can’t pretend the problem doesn’t exist, by sugarcoating, avoiding speaking or banning and attacking those who fearlessly expose the ugly and uncomfortable truths about it/or turning a blind eye to it. Hope this helps with your question 2freak. As far as National Geographic magazine, at least its admission of unfairly depicting Brown and Black people all over the world, in a negative way in their magazine in the past, will encourage them to do better. [Edited 3/13/18 9:37am]

The so-callled "one drop rule" was something forced upon us. Black people didn't make these rules, then or now.... It's not easy to just change these rules- we can't be playing basketball when the rest of the country is playing hockey ...




Do more research on the one drop rule. It originally was created to keep whites from mixing with 'mulattoes' mostly. Then extended the information to 'mulattoes and negroes'. It is still a racist ideal(that also never existed in Europe Africa South America Canada nor the Caribbeans). That is not legally binding. Black (social political) people took it from there. People who still know that it is a racist concept, still embrace it. We don't embrace that 'Negroes don't have souls' we don't embrace that 'mulattoes are sterile' we don't embrace other racist concepts that 'define us' except for this and the N word. And lie to ourselves(themselves) that is a 'bad thing turned good'. Like it is not a good thing that people try to say to a woman who was raped and conceived that the rape was good because a child came out of it.


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the 1 drop rule is why Rachel Dolezal exists and could exist.


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solidarity toward a cause does not require that one identify the same. For most of America's history it has been that way when it came to the struggle for equality.







There is really no need for more research. The point is that the ‘one drop rule’ was created by Whites, not by Blacks. That was the point being made. People can’t keep blaming Blacks for racist rules/laws they had no hand in creating.
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OldFriends4Sale said:

being female the more mixed looking one still won't have it like a real black woman

and depending on region, country and personal perception, she still won't have that experience

she could be seen as Latina, Middle Eastern etc

But how people treat them good or bad still should not determine biological truth nor personal identity

How people treat them is one of the most important things, as "race " is as much a social construct as a biological one

Only partially. I'm men treat women like sex objects women should not therefore bend to the ideals of men and identify accordingly.

Everyone has very different experiences. And letting experience force you to adhere to racist sexist or homophobic ideals is not a healthy way to exist.
How many parents have Fd up their childrens lives and identities by how they treated them...

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It was actually 'good' experience that solidified my identity as a multi-ethnic man. Because what was allegedly 'good' coming from people was based on colorism and self esteem issues. Tyrese claiming he found his #BlackQueen... a woman who looks like a whole lot of other ethnicicity except African/black. Did the first 'Black' miss America come in 1983/84 or years later...

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If mixed/biracial people are treated bad by black people -because of their Euro Asian Native admixture, that should not affect their love for the part that is African. Same that mixed/biracial people treated bad by white people -because of their African Asian Native admixture, should not affect their love for the part that is Euro

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2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Do more research on the one drop rule. It originally was created to keep whites from mixing with 'mulattoes' mostly. Then extended the information to 'mulattoes and negroes'. It is still a racist ideal(that also never existed in Europe Africa South America Canada nor the Caribbeans). That is not legally binding. Black (social political) people took it from there. People who still know that it is a racist concept, still embrace it. We don't embrace that 'Negroes don't have souls' we don't embrace that 'mulattoes are sterile' we don't embrace other racist concepts that 'define us' except for this and the N word. And lie to ourselves(themselves) that is a 'bad thing turned good'. Like it is not a good thing that people try to say to a woman who was raped and conceived that the rape was good because a child came out of it.

.

the 1 drop rule is why Rachel Dolezal exists and could exist.

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solidarity toward a cause does not require that one identify the same. For most of America's history it has been that way when it came to the struggle for equality.

No need for more research. The point you missed is that the ‘one drop rule’ was created by Whites. The fact that it involved having any mixture of ‘African blood’ to prevent mixed people from claiming White, speaks for itself. So exactly who on this thread denied that? Furthermore I explained to 2freak the intentions behind White supremacy ideology. I’m pretty sure he got the point.

Um please, I really don't want to talk with you, but I never missed that point, since I've always stated that the ODR was created by them to keep white folks in line from race mixing.(post #7 how do you just continue making up stuff?) I know what the ODR is and where it came from why and how it continues to affect those of us in the USA

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I didn't need for you to try to interpret what transpired between me and 2Freaky, my issue is that he posts in a way that makes it hard to have an online discussion(no matter the topic of forum) I've talked to him about this. It has nothing to do with white supremacy.

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I don't need you getttin in my space right now though. You seem to read and see what you want to. And you know what I'm talking about. No need for you to try to address me. I'm not looking for a fight 2Elijah. I'm having a civil discussion with others.

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Do more research on the one drop rule. It originally was created to keep whites from mixing. Then extended the information to 'mulattoes and negroes'. It is still a racist ideal. That is not legally binding. Black (social political) people took it from there. People who still know that it is a racist concept, still embrace it. We don't embrace that 'Negroes don't have souls' we don't embrace that 'mulattoes are sterile' we don't embrace other racist concepts that 'define us' except for this and the N word. And lie to ourselves(themselves) that is a 'bad thing turned good'.


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the 1 drop rule is why Rachel Dolezal exists and could exist.





I know a hell of a lot about the "one drop rule " . I have relatives who were light enough to pass for White, and completely cut their own CHILDREN out of their lives so they could live the White American dream. Compared to hundreds of thousands if not millions of cases like that, Rachel Dolezal is a instance of "man biting dog ".... Of course the "one drop rule " was a racist concept, one forced upon Black people, I would argue to this day. People are only considered "White " if they have "pure" Caucasian European ancestry. Any non White - especially African ancestry- makes them an "other "- NOT White


That is right, so again, the title on that magazine angers me, she is not white / she is not black, they are mixed, multiethnic, Euro-African mixed. Neither White Nor Black Yet Both(good book)


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the ODR was and IS a racist concept


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I challenge 'white' people on that term 'white' as well, because the racial terms are racist too.





You are right- the lighter complexioned girl in NOT " White " but perhaps "White appearing " is a better description. Once people know her true ancestry, people are going to perceive and treat her a hell of a lot differently
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That is right, so again, the title on that magazine angers me, she is not white / she is not black, they are mixed, multiethnic, Euro-African mixed. Neither White Nor Black Yet Both(good book)

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the ODR was and IS a racist concept

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I challenge 'white' people on that term 'white' as well, because the racial terms are racist too.

You are right- the lighter complexioned girl in NOT " White " but perhaps "White appearing " is a better description. Once people know her true ancestry, people are going to perceive and treat her a hell of a lot differently

maybe, maybe not, maybe a good thing, maybe a bad thing.

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But why go for the darker side among people?

I mean people with mixed identifies and such are common place now.
actor Ty Burrell found out he is 1/8th Black, are people going to therefore lynch him and accost him with racial slurs? You think the people that love him will care? Is that all that really matter?

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Black folk treat black folk like shit, white folk treat white folk like shit etc and people who are of black, white whatever treat folk with respect and love

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Glass half full, glass half empty

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Do more research on the one drop rule. It originally was created to keep whites from mixing with 'mulattoes' mostly. Then extended the information to 'mulattoes and negroes'. It is still a racist ideal(that also never existed in Europe Africa South America Canada nor the Caribbeans). That is not legally binding. Black (social political) people took it from there. People who still know that it is a racist concept, still embrace it. We don't embrace that 'Negroes don't have souls' we don't embrace that 'mulattoes are sterile' we don't embrace other racist concepts that 'define us' except for this and the N word. And lie to ourselves(themselves) that is a 'bad thing turned good'. Like it is not a good thing that people try to say to a woman who was raped and conceived that the rape was good because a child came out of it.


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the 1 drop rule is why Rachel Dolezal exists and could exist.


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solidarity toward a cause does not require that one identify the same. For most of America's history it has been that way when it came to the struggle for equality.






No need for more research. The point you missed is that the ‘one drop rule’ was created by Whites. The fact that it involved having any mixture of ‘African blood’ to prevent mixed people from claiming White, speaks for itself. So exactly who on this thread denied that? Furthermore I explained to 2freak the intentions behind White supremacy ideology. I’m pretty sure he got the point.


Um please, I really don't want to talk with you, but I never missed that point, since I've always stated that the ODR was created by them to keep white folks in line from race mixing. I know what the ODR is and where it came from why and how it continues to affect those of us in the USA


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I don't need you getttin in my space right now though. You seem to read and see what you want to. And you know what I'm talking about. No need for you to try to address me. I'm not looking for a fight.




That’s fine if you don’t want to talk to me. No prob. My post was just to clarify that Blacks had nothing to do with creating the ‘one drop rule.’ That’s all.
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being female the more mixed looking one still won't have it like a real black woman


and depending on region, country and personal perception, she still won't have that experience


she could be seen as Latina, Middle Eastern etc


But how people treat them good or bad still should not determine biological truth nor personal identity



How people treat them is one of the most important things, as "race " is as much a social construct as a biological one


Only partially. I'm men treat women like sex objects women should not therefore bend to the ideals of men and identify accordingly.


Everyone has very different experiences. And letting experience force you to adhere to racist sexist or homophobic ideals is not a healthy way to exist.
How many parents have Fd up their childrens lives and identities by how they treated them...


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It was actually 'good' experience that solidified my identity as a multi-ethnic man. Because what was allegedly 'good' coming from people was based on colorism and self esteem issues. Tyrese claiming he found his #BlackQueen... a woman who looks like a whole lot of other ethnicicity except African/black. Did the first 'Black' miss America come in 1983/84 or years later...


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If mixed/biracial people are treated bad by black people -because of their Euro Asian Native admixture, that should not affect their love for the part that is African. Same that mixed/biracial people treated bad by white people -because of their African Asian Native admixture, should not affect their love for the part that is Euro



I'm truly not certain what you're trying to get at here. Should parents NOT equip their bi-racial children with the knowledge that they might be treated differently because of their ancestry? If anything, I would think that they were remiss if they didn't teach them that, because at some point, they WILL get that lesson, so they might as well be prepared for it...

I believe that the first Black Miss America was Vanessa Williams in 1983, before she lost her crown over the pix in Penthouse
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