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Reply #120 posted 03/12/18 12:03pm

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One of the many, many interesting things in this podcast is how much trouble Michael Cohen is in. That guy is SCREWED and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy, in my opinion.

Depending on what Cohen tries to do, it could turn out that he was acting in a capacity other than as Trump's lawyer. He may have been acting as Trump's representative, or business adviser. If so, then it's possible to destroy the attorney-client privilege. That means that communications between Trump and Cohen are discoverable.

I know for a fact this can happen, because I've done it before.

It is VERY rare to destroy attorney-client privilege but we did it once, in a really big case. We proved a bank's attorney was actually negotiating the deal and making business decisions. Poof! went his privilege.

This podcast is really worth your time. The body of it only lasts 55 minutes but they're the best 55 minutes you're going to spend on the computer this week!

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Reply #121 posted 03/12/18 12:43pm

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I'm beginning to think that the best thing for Cohen to do is take the money back and declare the agreement null and void. That way, he avoids most or all of the crimes he could be charged with. And our genius president can say the agreement that he never signed never legally existed, which gives him the ability to deny the affair ever happened. He can deem Stormy Daniels's stories as lies and falsehoods.

Except.........

If the agreement is voided, then Cohen and Trump have to return all the pictures, text messages, videos, etc. etc. etc. that Daniels may have turned over to Trump. Somehow, I don't think that's going to happen.

Remember that there were four names listed in the agreement that Daniels admitted to having told the story or shared information? In the podcast, it's revealed that one of the females is Stormy Daniels's manager. And one of the males is........an adult video photographer. Gee, what would he have had that interested Cohen and Trump?

We may see the ultimate test of loyalty here.

Does Cohen - who as the ONLY signer of the agreement is the ONLY person who could take Daniels up on the deal - take that deal, save himself from prison time, but throw Donald Trump potentially in the grease?

Or does he remain loyal to Trump, tell Daniels to go pound sand, but open himself up to criminal liabilty?

Who knows!

A couple things we do know, however. First, Daniels's request for the declaratory judgement was filed in California, which gives the other side 60 days to answer. I'm guessing that absent any deal, Cohen is going to take all 60 days and then ask for an extension.

Second, there won't be any other deals because Trump would have to sign and there is NO WAY he'll do that. So it's either take this offer, or hope you beat Daniels in the declaratory judgement suit.

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Reply #122 posted 03/12/18 12:44pm

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And always, always, ALWAYS remember this one word from the agreement:

"Paternity".



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Reply #123 posted 03/12/18 1:10pm

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RodeoSchro said:

And always, always, ALWAYS remember this one word from the agreement:

"Paternity".



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That's going to be crazy if there's a kid involved. Yuge!!!! Wherever there's that word "paternity" involved, there's usually a kid somewhere or an aborted one.

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Reply #124 posted 03/12/18 1:11pm

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Musicslave said:

RodeoSchro said:

And always, always, ALWAYS remember this one word from the agreement:

"Paternity".



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That's going to be crazy if there's a kid involved. Yuge!!!! Wherever there's that word "paternity" involved, there's usually a kid somewhere or an aborted one.



Most likely scenario, IMHO.

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Reply #125 posted 03/12/18 1:23pm

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Diehard trumpers will only blow this over their shoulder as trump just being trump. If Stormy gets to tell her story she’ll make a lot more money than the $130,00 paid to silence her. I say go get the money Stormy.
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Reply #126 posted 03/12/18 1:25pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Musicslave said:

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That's going to be crazy if there's a kid involved. Yuge!!!! Wherever there's that word "paternity" involved, there's usually a kid somewhere or an aborted one.



Most likely scenario, IMHO.

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You might have overlooked my question I posed to you earlier so....

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Why do you think he would have to say goodbye to his marriage, base and presidency?

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Granted, this is probably the biggest humiliation Melania has had to deal with but this is hardly the first time he's been accused of affairs. As far as his base is concerned, I'm not convinced if they would leave either. They knew what they were getting when they voted for him. It's his so-called policy positions they're standing on, not his morality. I've heard countless excuses for his immorality from his base. I think the biggest threat to his presidency is the Russia/Mueller investigation, plus the midterms. If the Dems take over the House, it's probably a wrap. I just hope they'll let Mueller provide enough proof of impeachable offenses before jumping the gun simply because they can.

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I think its quite prophetic that one of his self-inflicted scandals is with a pornstar named, "Stormy." What kind of Storm are we (America) heading into with this president?

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Reply #127 posted 03/12/18 1:30pm

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2elijah said:

Diehard trumpers will only blow this over their shoulder as trump just being trump. If Stormy gets to tell her story she’ll make a lot more money than the $130,00 paid to silence her. I say go get the money Stormy.

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Oh they've already started making excuses. "It was the past." "He is forgiven." "Who am I to judge?" etc. etc. etc. I think it would be a huge story but you're right it won't make a difference in his base position. They just want him to deliver on their goods. They know he's immoral but are willing to look the other way because of what they believe they can get out of him.

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Dude got more of the evangelical vote than Reagan and W. Bush. That says a lot.

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Reply #128 posted 03/12/18 1:44pm

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Musicslave said:

RodeoSchro said:



Most likely scenario, IMHO.

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You might have overlooked my question I posed to you earlier so....

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Why do you think he would have to say goodbye to his marriage, base and presidency?

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Granted, this is probably the biggest humiliation Melania has had to deal with but this is hardly the first time he's been accused of affairs. As far as his base is concerned, I'm not convinced if they would leave either. They knew what they were getting when they voted for him. It's his so-called policy positions they're standing on, not his morality. I've heard countless excuses for his immorality from his base. I think the biggest threat to his presidency is the Russia/Mueller investigation, plus the midterms. If the Dems take over the House, it's probably a wrap. I just hope they'll let Mueller provide enough proof of impeachable offenses before jumping the gun simply because they can.

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I think its quite prophetic that one of his self-inflicted scandals is with a pornstar named, "Stormy." What kind of Storm are we (America) heading into with this president?



Oh, sorry - I did miss it! My bad!

Well, the podcast answers a lot about losing the presidency. There's too much info to unpack in one post but suffice to say that if Trump admits to being "DD", then there are all kinds of things that get set in motion. Some of them lead to Mueller's investigation, and some make this a far more serious sexual peccadilo than Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky. Impeachment and conviction become very very possible.

If there was an abortion, I believe that he's going to lose a portion of his evangelical base. Remember, this guy has denied the affair. So he would be an aborting liar at a minimum. And also remember, he never ever ever apologized for, nor asked for forgiveness for, trying to screw a married woman; namely, Nancy O'Dell. He bragged about trying to f*** a married woman twice in the "Access Hollywood" tape but people only focused on the "Grab them by the p***y" comment. IMHO the only thing that could save Trump would be a Jimmy "I have sinned against you!" Swaggart moment but I don't think Trump could ever get himself to do that. I guess if this doesn't splatter his base, nothing will!

Finally, I cannot imagine Melania sticking around if Trump admits this affair. I think that if Stormy Daniels wins and gets $$$$$$ for her story, then former Playmate Karen McDougal is going to find a way to void HER agreement, along with who knows who else. It won't be just Stormy Daniels in the news; it'll be all kinds of women. Kind of like when Tiger Woods's affair brought out all the other women he was boinking. The Daniels and McDougal affairs (and others?) happened right after Melania gave birth to their son, Baron. I just cannot imagine a wife ever wanting to be seen in the same room with a guy like Trump. She might not divorce him but you can bet she'll move back to New York City at a minimum, saying that she "and Donald" wish for Baron to be raised there, out of the spotlight.

Donald Trump is in a world of hurt right now. And it's only going to get worse for him. Again, I can't recommend that podcast highly enough!

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Reply #129 posted 03/12/18 1:53pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Musicslave said:

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You might have overlooked my question I posed to you earlier so....

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Why do you think he would have to say goodbye to his marriage, base and presidency?

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Granted, this is probably the biggest humiliation Melania has had to deal with but this is hardly the first time he's been accused of affairs. As far as his base is concerned, I'm not convinced if they would leave either. They knew what they were getting when they voted for him. It's his so-called policy positions they're standing on, not his morality. I've heard countless excuses for his immorality from his base. I think the biggest threat to his presidency is the Russia/Mueller investigation, plus the midterms. If the Dems take over the House, it's probably a wrap. I just hope they'll let Mueller provide enough proof of impeachable offenses before jumping the gun simply because they can.

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I think its quite prophetic that one of his self-inflicted scandals is with a pornstar named, "Stormy." What kind of Storm are we (America) heading into with this president?



Oh, sorry - I did miss it! My bad!

Well, the podcast answers a lot about losing the presidency. There's too much info to unpack in one post but suffice to say that if Trump admits to being "DD", then there are all kinds of things that get set in motion. Some of them lead to Mueller's investigation, and some make this a far more serious sexual peccadilo than Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky. Impeachment and conviction become very very possible.

If there was an abortion, I believe that he's going to lose a portion of his evangelical base. Remember, this guy has denied the affair. So he would be an aborting liar at a minimum. And also remember, he never ever ever apologized for, nor asked for forgiveness for, trying to screw a married woman; namely, Nancy O'Dell. He bragged about trying to f*** a married woman twice in the "Access Hollywood" tape but people only focused on the "Grab them by the p***y" comment. IMHO the only thing that could save Trump would be a Jimmy "I have sinned against you!" Swaggart moment but I don't think Trump could ever get himself to do that. I guess if this doesn't splatter his base, nothing will!

Finally, I cannot imagine Melania sticking around if Trump admits this affair. I think that if Stormy Daniels wins and gets $$$$$$ for her story, then former Playmate Karen McDougal is going to find a way to void HER agreement, along with who knows who else. It won't be just Stormy Daniels in the news; it'll be all kinds of women. Kind of like when Tiger Woods's affair brought out all the other women he was boinking. The Daniels and McDougal affairs (and others?) happened right after Melania gave birth to their son, Baron. I just cannot imagine a wife ever wanting to be seen in the same room with a guy like Trump. She might not divorce him but you can bet she'll move back to New York City at a minimum, saying that she "and Donald" wish for Baron to be raised there, out of the spotlight.

Donald Trump is in a world of hurt right now. And it's only going to get worse for him. Again, I can't recommend that podcast highly enough!

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I'll check it out.... And I'll save my comments to your post for later. In the meantime, I'll leave you with this...

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Reply #130 posted 03/12/18 4:35pm

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I can only assume that Melania will stay with Trump, prolly a prenup. I mean come on, look how old he is now? She can just wait for him to die to get his money and property and whatever the hell else.

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Reply #131 posted 03/13/18 5:57am

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I can only assume that Melania will stay with Trump, prolly a prenup. I mean come on, look how old he is now? She can just wait for him to die to get his money and property and whatever the hell else.

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If she's stays, this would be the only logical conclusion.... wink

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However, you never know how dirty this dog may be.

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Reply #132 posted 03/13/18 7:23am

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He's giving the country fleas.

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Reply #133 posted 03/13/18 8:27am

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Musicslave said:

RodeoSchro said:



Oh, sorry - I did miss it! My bad!

Well, the podcast answers a lot about losing the presidency. There's too much info to unpack in one post but suffice to say that if Trump admits to being "DD", then there are all kinds of things that get set in motion. Some of them lead to Mueller's investigation, and some make this a far more serious sexual peccadilo than Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky. Impeachment and conviction become very very possible.

If there was an abortion, I believe that he's going to lose a portion of his evangelical base. Remember, this guy has denied the affair. So he would be an aborting liar at a minimum. And also remember, he never ever ever apologized for, nor asked for forgiveness for, trying to screw a married woman; namely, Nancy O'Dell. He bragged about trying to f*** a married woman twice in the "Access Hollywood" tape but people only focused on the "Grab them by the p***y" comment. IMHO the only thing that could save Trump would be a Jimmy "I have sinned against you!" Swaggart moment but I don't think Trump could ever get himself to do that. I guess if this doesn't splatter his base, nothing will!

Finally, I cannot imagine Melania sticking around if Trump admits this affair. I think that if Stormy Daniels wins and gets $$$$$$ for her story, then former Playmate Karen McDougal is going to find a way to void HER agreement, along with who knows who else. It won't be just Stormy Daniels in the news; it'll be all kinds of women. Kind of like when Tiger Woods's affair brought out all the other women he was boinking. The Daniels and McDougal affairs (and others?) happened right after Melania gave birth to their son, Baron. I just cannot imagine a wife ever wanting to be seen in the same room with a guy like Trump. She might not divorce him but you can bet she'll move back to New York City at a minimum, saying that she "and Donald" wish for Baron to be raised there, out of the spotlight.

Donald Trump is in a world of hurt right now. And it's only going to get worse for him. Again, I can't recommend that podcast highly enough!

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I'll check it out.... And I'll save my comments to your post for later. In the meantime, I'll leave you with this...

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OK, I'm back from washing out the vomit from my mouth. ZOMG, I could not disagree with Pastor Jeffries more. The guy said time and time again, "It doesn't matter what Trump did, we'll always support him because we support his policies". What the actual f?!?

Credit to Juan Williams for bringing up the point I've made often - Donald Trump has never asked for forgiveness. For anything. In fact, if memory serves, he's said he doesn't need to ask for forgiveness for anything.

This interview is a perfect example of why politics and religion do not mix. I'm sure Pastor Jeffries is a good man at heart but there's no way I could attend a church that he pastors. Yuck.

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Reply #134 posted 03/13/18 8:27am

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2freaky4church1 said:

He's giving the country fleas.




That's the best post you've ever made. If you ever wanted to go out on a high note, now is the time.

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Reply #135 posted 03/13/18 8:46am

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I don't have fleas. What was that?

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Reply #136 posted 03/13/18 9:18am

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Too late.

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Reply #137 posted 03/13/18 9:48am

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Btw, no paternity issues according to Stormy's attorney. No abortion either.

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Around 11:06 mark...

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Reply #138 posted 03/13/18 10:52am

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Musicslave said:

Btw, no paternity issues according to Stormy's attorney. No abortion either.

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Around 11:06 mark...

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Thanks! Very interesting interview. Her lawyer is one sharp dude.

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Reply #139 posted 03/13/18 10:57am

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Aha - maybe that paternity information and alleged children stuff is grandfathered in all his contracts. falloff

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Reply #140 posted 03/13/18 11:17am

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Aha - maybe that paternity information and alleged children stuff is grandfathered in all his contracts. falloff



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Reply #141 posted 03/13/18 4:39pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Musicslave said:

Btw, no paternity issues according to Stormy's attorney. No abortion either.

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Around 11:06 mark...

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Thanks! Very interesting interview. Her lawyer is one sharp dude.

haha she just wants out to bad mouth him. Trump's team will win or she will pay millions.

60 mins can run it....

LOL the lawyer says it is a fair settlement... and offer to settle? no sorry, she is bound by the NDA.


trumps denials have NO LEGAL weight.


This lawyer is a liar. he knows it is not in trump's best interest. the ONLY legal issue is did SHE sign it?


I think the lawyer could be sanction by the bar. He is known facing the violating of her clients legally binding NDA.


Again 60 mins may be allowed to show it but she will pay millions.

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Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #142 posted 03/13/18 4:44pm

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Rodeo has bedbugs.

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Reply #143 posted 03/13/18 7:13pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Rodeo has bedbugs.


If you don't behave he might give them to you!

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Reply #144 posted 03/13/18 9:12pm

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RodeoSchro said:



Thanks! Very interesting interview. Her lawyer is one sharp dude.

haha she just wants out to bad mouth him. Trump's team will win or she will pay millions.

60 mins can run it....

LOL the lawyer says it is a fair settlement... and offer to settle? no sorry, she is bound by the NDA.


trumps denials have NO LEGAL weight.


This lawyer is a liar. he knows it is not in trump's best interest. the ONLY legal issue is did SHE sign it?


I think the lawyer could be sanction by the bar. He is known facing the violating of her clients legally binding NDA.


Again 60 mins may be allowed to show it but she will pay millions.

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The pig likes to be humiliated and dominated by nasty women. Wow. He's actually even more fucked up than I thought.

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Reply #145 posted 03/14/18 6:58am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:



Thanks! Very interesting interview. Her lawyer is one sharp dude.

haha she just wants out to bad mouth him. Trump's team will win or she will pay millions.

60 mins can run it....

LOL the lawyer says it is a fair settlement... and offer to settle? no sorry, she is bound by the NDA.


trumps denials have NO LEGAL weight.


This lawyer is a liar. he knows it is not in trump's best interest. the ONLY legal issue is did SHE sign it?


I think the lawyer could be sanction by the bar. He is known facing the violating of her clients legally binding NDA.


Again 60 mins may be allowed to show it but she will pay millions.

[Edited 3/13/18 16:44pm]



It's going to be interesting to see which one of us is the better Internet Lawyer!

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Reply #146 posted 03/14/18 7:40am

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RodeoSchro said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

haha she just wants out to bad mouth him. Trump's team will win or she will pay millions.

60 mins can run it....

LOL the lawyer says it is a fair settlement... and offer to settle? no sorry, she is bound by the NDA.


trumps denials have NO LEGAL weight.


This lawyer is a liar. he knows it is not in trump's best interest. the ONLY legal issue is did SHE sign it?


I think the lawyer could be sanction by the bar. He is known facing the violating of her clients legally binding NDA.


Again 60 mins may be allowed to show it but she will pay millions.

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It's going to be interesting to see which one of us is the better Internet Lawyer!

NDAs only have to be signed by the party bound by them. As long as the other terms were met it will stick. None of the examples of cases given even apply. One showed that I am correct that not all parties need to sign. And Trump's conduct is not a breach.

She can not get out of it unless Trump wants out. She is playing a game with a public that doesn't understand how contracts work. (see if it went before a judge she cannot argue that he did not agree because the judge will ask "Did you agree to this?")

She is also trying to spin a lie that this is a president trying to deny her free speech.

I am not sure which cases are even citeable---only cases that were ruled upon by an appeals (or higher) court that covers that jurisdiction are citable as legal precedent.

Imagine the upheaval if DNAs were suddenly deemed invalid!

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #147 posted 03/14/18 7:41am

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13cjk13 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

haha she just wants out to bad mouth him. Trump's team will win or she will pay millions.

60 mins can run it....

LOL the lawyer says it is a fair settlement... and offer to settle? no sorry, she is bound by the NDA.


trumps denials have NO LEGAL weight.


This lawyer is a liar. he knows it is not in trump's best interest. the ONLY legal issue is did SHE sign it?


I think the lawyer could be sanction by the bar. He is known facing the violating of her clients legally binding NDA.


Again 60 mins may be allowed to show it but she will pay millions.

[Edited 3/13/18 16:44pm]

The pig likes to be humiliated and dominated by nasty women. Wow. He's actually even more fucked up than I thought.

lol when you can not argue the facts of the actual case...

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #148 posted 03/14/18 8:03am

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RodeoSchro said:



It's going to be interesting to see which one of us is the better Internet Lawyer!

NDAs only have to be signed by the party bound by them. As long as the other terms were met it will stick. None of the examples of cases given even apply. One showed that I am correct that not all parties need to sign. And Trump's conduct is not a breach.

She can not get out of it unless Trump wants out. She is playing a game with a public that doesn't understand how contracts work. (see if it went before a judge she cannot argue that he did not agree because the judge will ask "Did you agree to this?")

She is also trying to spin a lie that this is a president trying to deny her free speech.

I am not sure which cases are even citeable---only cases that were ruled upon by an appeals (or higher) court that covers that jurisdiction are citable as legal precedent.

Imagine the upheaval if DNAs were suddenly deemed invalid!


Imagining there is nothing we can do about your DNA. lol

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Reply #149 posted 03/14/18 8:22am

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13cjk13 said:

The pig likes to be humiliated and dominated by nasty women. Wow. He's actually even more fucked up than I thought.

lol when you can not argue the facts of the actual case...

What I wrote is a fact.

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