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Musicslave

Billy Graham Dies @ 99

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/us/billy-graham-obit/index.html

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Billy Graham, whose 'matchless voice changed the lives of millions,' dies at 99

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Evangelist Billy Graham -- a confidant to presidents, a guiding light to generations of American evangelicals and a globe-trotting preacher who converted millions to Christianity -- died Wednesday at the age of 99, his spokesman confirmed to CNN.

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Graham passed away at his home in Montreat, North Carolina, spokesman Jeremy Blume said.
The skinny preacher with the booming voice evangelized to nearly 215 million people over six decades and prayed with US presidents from Harry Truman to Barack Obama.
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Several presidents, including Lyndon Johnson, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, relied closely on his spiritual counsel.

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"His sermons contained just the right mix of patriotism and reproof," said Molly Worthen, a religious historian at the University of North Carolina. "He urged Americans to stand strong against 'godless communism' but also criticized American hubris."
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Graham told an audience in Charlotte in 1958 that, "We have an idea that we Americans are God's chosen people, that God loves us more than any other people, and that we are God's blessed. I tell you that God doesn't love us any more than he does the Russians."
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Graham's crusades mobilized hundreds of volunteers not just from his own evangelical movement but also from liberal Protestant congregations and Catholic parishes.
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His inclusive message -- he said that theological differences were less important than Christian comity -- angered some fundamentalists, who fulminated when he shared the stage with Catholic or liberal Protestant ministers."

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I wonder how some "evangelicals" would receive a message of humilty today like the ones in bold. Somehow that message got lost through the years.

[Edited 2/21/18 7:34am]

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Reply #1 posted 02/21/18 10:51am

Musicslave

Never heard these before. Thought I share them with the Org....

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I guess the evangelical leaders of our time haven't learned their lesson after Watergate.

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Reply #2 posted 02/21/18 11:54am

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Saddened this morning to hear about Rev. Billy Graham. RIP.

God has a plan. Trust the plan.
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Reply #3 posted 02/21/18 12:20pm

Musicslave

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Saddened this morning to hear about Rev. Billy Graham. RIP.

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Did you listen to his messages or go to any of his crusades?

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Reply #4 posted 02/21/18 12:31pm

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I want to write a book about spirituality. One that encompasses many religions. I listened to some of his interviews.

God has a plan. Trust the plan.
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Reply #5 posted 02/21/18 12:44pm

Musicslave

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I want to write a book about spirituality. One that encompasses many religions. I listened to some of his interviews.

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Really? What would the book entail about many religions? For me, Moms used to watch the crusades. Him, plus Oral Roberts.

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Reply #6 posted 02/21/18 12:56pm

SuperFurryAnim
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Musicslave said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I want to write a book about spirituality. One that encompasses many religions. I listened to some of his interviews.

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Really? What would the book entail about many religions? For me, Moms used to watch the crusades. Him, plus Oral Roberts.

I grew up going to church all the time. My mom did not like evangelism, she was old school and dressed like a Kennedy and put me in a suit and tie and went to church. She wore a dress, funny hat and velvet gloves to church. Other family watched evangelists. That is just one idea a book about spirituality focusing on the strange, probably gurus and cult leaders. All interests. I also have other ideas but never know until I get working. I'm considering starting to work on a book soon. I got so much shit in my mind and it needs to get out. I dream up, create characters constantly. This version of gung-ho Trump--Gribble is only one.

God has a plan. Trust the plan.
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Reply #7 posted 02/21/18 1:36pm

Dasein

LOL at The Onion!

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Reply #8 posted 02/21/18 1:50pm

Musicslave

Hilarious!!! lol lol lol

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Reply #9 posted 02/21/18 7:19pm

JoeyC

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Those Nixon tapes disappointed me. I though Billy Graham was better than that.


Having said that though. Billy Graham was(is) one of the few Reverends that i still somewhat listen to. Dr. Charles Stanley is another one.

Anyway, i hope he found Paradise.

Rest in Peace Bettie Boo. See u soon.
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Reply #10 posted 02/21/18 7:40pm

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Condolences to his family, but he and his ignorance and that of his equally ignorant followers harmed society in ways that hurt the nation more than many political figures. Will not be missed.

Crooked Donnie. Lock him up!
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Reply #11 posted 02/21/18 8:25pm

poppys

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Dasein said:

LOL at The Onion!

maybe he thought the bath house was a baptismal pool

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Reply #12 posted 02/22/18 7:59am

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Christianity is not about preaching alone. Samartan's Purse does good work, but that can be pr. Graham was certainly better than pure evil scum like Falwell and Robertson. He was worth 25 million at his death and he also hated the Jews.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #13 posted 02/22/18 8:00am

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I bet Jesus is giving him holy hell. hehe.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #14 posted 02/23/18 4:48am

Dasein

2freaky4church1 said:

I bet Jesus is giving him holy hell. hehe.


Why do you think Jesus gave this dude a pass so that Satan isn't giving him helly hell?

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Reply #15 posted 02/23/18 11:38am

namepeace

Dasein said:

2freaky4church1 said:

I bet Jesus is giving him holy hell. hehe.


Why do you think Jesus gave this dude a pass so that Satan isn't giving him helly hell?


Tough love, man.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #16 posted 02/23/18 12:41pm

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We are Satan.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #17 posted 02/23/18 2:32pm

Dasein

Not for one second do I think Billy Graham is redeemable. He used Christ divisively to preclude
a section of humanity from sitting at the table of God simply because he didn't understand hu-
man sexuality - and neither does the bible understand human sexuality, for that matter.

Billy Graham and his doofus son are one of the reasons why people are turning away from the
church. It reminds me of how the record industry dissed Shawn Fanning when they should have
embraced him: if the Gospel was reimagined as being offered to everyone, regardless of sexuality,
and one practiced responsibly with no harm being performed to others, then we can rightfully claim
the church would not be losing as many members left and right. With advances made in know-
ledge, so should traditional church teachings be re-assessed and re-evaluated, just like the record
industry should have re-assessed and re-evaluated its business model in the face of the internet as
opposed to rejecting it.

The church is doing Satan's job for him sometimes, and Billy Graham can be said to be an example
of this in some respect.

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Reply #18 posted 02/23/18 4:23pm

Dasein

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Reply #19 posted 02/23/18 6:37pm

poppys

Dasein said:


The Soul-Crushing Legacy of Graham


Great article Dasein. Thank you for posting it. So much of it resonated with me. My Anabaptist parents, who left the church when I was in the second grade, were never fooled by Graham's shtick and said so.

In 1961, when I was 5, my 18 year old brother pulled a very low draft number. The family was devastated, he was a bookish kid, no soldier type. He made it through but it changed him forever, right up until this day. Our cousin Chuckie was an Agent Orange survivor, sent to Cambodia, again altered for life, died last summer, cancer of course. This paragraph brought it all back:

In 1969, with his friend Nixon finally in the Oval Office, Graham advised him to try and end the Vietnam conflict in a blaze of glory, with a bombing campaign that Nixon himself estimated would kill one million civilians. This was too much even for Nixon, but not for America's Pastor. Graham provided a steady stream of military and political counsel to Nixon, including copious notes about campaign strategy in 1972.

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Reply #20 posted 02/24/18 5:33am

Dasein

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No problem. Billy Graham was definitely "America's Pastor" if you think about how violent we are;
how hypocritical we are; and how in love with being famous we are altogether as a country.

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Reply #21 posted 02/24/18 6:12am

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MLK is my pastor. Cornel too.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #22 posted 02/24/18 6:12am

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Mumia is a secular one.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #23 posted 02/24/18 3:21pm

Dasein

In some regards, it's kinda upsetting that humans still have "pastors" as if they are incapable of
fellowshipping with God without some charlatan serving as an intermediary. There is no requisite
skill, talent, or innate ability that makes one able to commune with God more effectively than others
apart from the selling of pipe-dreams to those still beguiled by superstition and bewitched by thea-
trics.

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Reply #24 posted 02/24/18 3:31pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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Dasein said:

In some regards, it's kinda upsetting that humans still have "pastors" as if they are incapable of
fellowshipping with God without some charlatan serving as an intermediary. There is no requisite
skill, talent, or innate ability that makes one able to commune with God more effectively than others
apart from the selling of pipe-dreams to those still beguiled by superstition and bewitched by thea-
trics.

I was raised as a Baptist and we were always told we could commune with God without anyone else involved. so I am not sure what you are getting at. We do not and never needed an intermediary...but I have heard that some faiths do... but that is their deal.

and I get what you mean by charlatans... like all mediums and psychics and many in the holistic medicine (detox and crystals and copper and magnets and other such things) to me they are all either just confused or charlatans....but hey who knows?


Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #25 posted 02/24/18 5:28pm

Adorecream

About time this homophobic cretin popped his clogs millions of gays and atheists are celebrating the demise of dogmatic bullshit spread by these people. This man should have died much sooner. I find right christian bigots are a pain in the ass and stop humanity moving forward.

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This may hurt some of you churchy types, but oh well we are people too and I am convinced there is no such thing as a God and that we are part of nature and science only.

Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name
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Reply #26 posted 02/24/18 5:46pm

Dasein

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Dasein said:

In some regards, it's kinda upsetting that humans still have "pastors" as if they are incapable of
fellowshipping with God without some charlatan serving as an intermediary. There is no requisite
skill, talent, or innate ability that makes one able to commune with God more effectively than others
apart from the selling of pipe-dreams to those still beguiled by superstition and bewitched by thea-
trics.

I was raised as a Baptist and we were always told we could commune with God without anyone else involved. so I am not sure what you are getting at. We do not and never needed an intermediary...but I have heard that some faiths do... but that is their deal.

and I get what you mean by charlatans... like all mediums and psychics and many in the holistic medicine (detox and crystals and copper and magnets and other such things) to me they are all either just confused or charlatans....but hey who knows?



The context of my post is speaking about "pastors" who serve as intermediaries between God and
humans as I'm responding directly to Freaky's posts about who his own pastors are - which was, in
turn, a response to Billy Graham being called "America's pastor." Theologically speaking, you don't
need a pastor in order to worship or fellowship with God. I don't remember Jesus ever saying any-
thing about his followers requiring a pastor in the event of his death but I could be mistaken.

Billy Graham was ultimately a charlatan because his crusades were a showy pretense of his purported
claim to knowledge of God so he could obtain fame and political currency.

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Reply #27 posted 02/24/18 5:49pm

Dasein

Adorecream said:

About time this homophobic cretin popped his clogs millions of gays and atheists are celebrating the demise of dogmatic bullshit spread by these people. This man should have died much sooner. I find right christian bigots are a pain in the ass and stop humanity moving forward.

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This may hurt some of you churchy types, but oh well we are people too and I am convinced there is no such thing as a God and that we are part of nature and science only.


Preach.


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Reply #28 posted 02/24/18 5:51pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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Dasein said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I was raised as a Baptist and we were always told we could commune with God without anyone else involved. so I am not sure what you are getting at. We do not and never needed an intermediary...but I have heard that some faiths do... but that is their deal.

and I get what you mean by charlatans... like all mediums and psychics and many in the holistic medicine (detox and crystals and copper and magnets and other such things) to me they are all either just confused or charlatans....but hey who knows?



The context of my post is speaking about "pastors" who serve as intermediaries between God and
humans as I'm responding directly to Freaky's posts about who his own pastors are - which was, in
turn, a response to Billy Graham being called "America's pastor." Theologically speaking, you don't
need a pastor in order to worship or fellowship with God. I don't remember Jesus ever saying any-
thing about his followers requiring a pastor in the event of his death but I could be mistaken.

Billy Graham was ultimately a charlatan because his crusades were a showy pretense of his purported
claim to knowledge of God so he could obtain fame and political currency.

I tend to view megachurch pastors and televangelists as being self-idolaters and in violation of the 3rd commandment to not use the Lord's name in vain.

But he has passed and maybe given some time before being criticised.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #29 posted 02/24/18 6:05pm

Dasein

You think there should be time before he's criticized for being a homophobically bigoted Christian
who perpetuated war, preached division, and criticized the Civil Rights movement whilst carrying
some evidence of being anti-Semitic?

Maybe you're right: we should criticize him for being a homophobically bigoted Christian who per-
petuated war, preached division, and criticized the Civil Rights movement while carrying some evi-
dence of being anti-Semitic after his body lies in honor at the Capitol.

/sarcasm

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