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benni

207,468 minors married in the US The Youngest are 10

This number is between the years 2000 and 2015.

The youngest wedded were three 10-year-old girls in Tennessee who married men aged 24, 25 and 31 in 2001. The youngest groom was an 11-year-old who married a 27-year-old woman in the same state in 2006.

Children as young as 12 were granted marriage licences in Alaska, Louisiana and South Carolina, while 11 other states allowed 13-year-olds to wed.

More than 1,000 children aged 14 or under were granted marriage licences.

A 14-year-old girl married a 74-year-old man in Alabama, while a 17-year-old wed a 65-year-old groom in Idaho.

http://www.independent.co...30266.html


Historically, girls as young as 13, 14, 15 were allowed to wed at these ages, but mainly due to the fact that infant mortality was extremely high and historically to have a population grow, it was important to have a female who was fertile at a young age begin having babies at young ages, in the hopes that a few of those infants would live to adulthood.

Infant mortality is no longer as high as it once was and these types of marriages are no longer necessary to carry on the family or the human race.

It disgusts me to think of 10 year olds marrying. What are your thoughts?


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Reply #1 posted 01/13/18 9:21am

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And we dog Islamic countries.

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Reply #2 posted 01/13/18 9:51am

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I can't understand why anybody would allow their daughters as young as this to get married, especially to these older men.

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Reply #3 posted 01/13/18 11:08am

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benni said:

This number is between the years 2000 and 2015.


The youngest wedded were three 10-year-old girls in Tennessee who married men aged 24, 25 and 31 in 2001. The youngest groom was an 11-year-old who married a 27-year-old woman in the same state in 2006.

Children as young as 12 were granted marriage licences in Alaska, Louisiana and South Carolina, while 11 other states allowed 13-year-olds to wed.

More than 1,000 children aged 14 or under were granted marriage licences.

A 14-year-old girl married a 74-year-old man in Alabama, while a 17-year-old wed a 65-year-old groom in Idaho.

http://www.independent.co...30266.html


Historically, girls as young as 13, 14, 15 were allowed to wed at these ages, but mainly due to the fact that infant mortality was extremely high and historically to have a population grow, it was important to have a female who was fertile at a young age begin having babies at young ages, in the hopes that a few of those infants would live to adulthood.

Infant mortality is no longer as high as it once was and these types of marriages are no longer necessary to carry on the family or the human race.

It disgusts me to think of 10 year olds marrying. What are your thoughts?






You know dang well marrying someone off at 10 ain't got a thing to do with fertility rates. I read many years ago, and I believe it to be true, that marrying off girls at a young age means there is one less mouth to feed in the house. And since girls aren't traditionally the bread winners marrying them off as quickly as possible was the next best solution to making them useful to someone.
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Reply #4 posted 01/13/18 11:25am

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Here, I think a 14-year-old can get married. I do not approve. Even if I had a 14-17 year old that was or had gotten someone pregnant, oh hell no!

It does, however, bring up a big question! CAKES!


Should a cake maker be forced to make a wedding cake for a 14-year-old and her 50-year-old 2nd cousin?


Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #5 posted 01/13/18 11:44am

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are we sure? the info I found was 16 was the age in Tennessee? (without a court order and NO WAY a judge could do that for 10-year-old to a 25)

must be 14 in Alaska

looks like 16 in Louisana (with a court order)


South Carolina looks like it is 16 unless she is pregnant or had a baby with the father...then there is not any specific age requirement.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #6 posted 01/13/18 12:47pm

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I had a man offer his young virgin daughter to me for marriage. I declined.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #7 posted 01/13/18 2:06pm

benni

morningsong said:

benni said:

This number is between the years 2000 and 2015.

The youngest wedded were three 10-year-old girls in Tennessee who married men aged 24, 25 and 31 in 2001. The youngest groom was an 11-year-old who married a 27-year-old woman in the same state in 2006.

Children as young as 12 were granted marriage licences in Alaska, Louisiana and South Carolina, while 11 other states allowed 13-year-olds to wed.

More than 1,000 children aged 14 or under were granted marriage licences.

A 14-year-old girl married a 74-year-old man in Alabama, while a 17-year-old wed a 65-year-old groom in Idaho.

http://www.independent.co...30266.html


Historically, girls as young as 13, 14, 15 were allowed to wed at these ages, but mainly due to the fact that infant mortality was extremely high and historically to have a population grow, it was important to have a female who was fertile at a young age begin having babies at young ages, in the hopes that a few of those infants would live to adulthood.

Infant mortality is no longer as high as it once was and these types of marriages are no longer necessary to carry on the family or the human race.

It disgusts me to think of 10 year olds marrying. What are your thoughts?


You know dang well marrying someone off at 10 ain't got a thing to do with fertility rates. I read many years ago, and I believe it to be true, that marrying off girls at a young age means there is one less mouth to feed in the house. And since girls aren't traditionally the bread winners marrying them off as quickly as possible was the next best solution to making them useful to someone.



I didn't say that marrying someone off at age 10 has ANYTHING to do with fertility rates. Please read what I wrote. "Historically, girls as young as 13, 14, 15 were allowed to wed at these ages, but mainly due to infant mortality..."

To support that claim:


Historically, child marriage was common around the world, the average life expectancy did not exceed 50 years old so it was seen as a better way to reproduce through child marriage.[22] The practice began to be questioned in the 20th century, with the age of individuals' first marriage increasing in many countries and most countries increasing the minimum marriage age

In ancient and medieval societies, it was common for girls to be betrothed at or even before puberty.[23][24] As Friedman claims, "arranging and contracting the marriage of a young girl were the undisputed prerogatives of her father in ancient Israel." Most girls were married before the age of 15, often at the start of their puberty.[25] In the Middle Ages the age at marriage seems to have been around puberty throughout the Jewish world.[26]

Ruth Lamdan writes: “The numerous references to child marriage in the 16th- century Responsa literature and other sources, shows that child marriage was so common, it was virtually the norm. In this context, it is important to remember that in halakha, the term ‘minor’ refers to a girl under twelve years and a day. A girl aged twelve and a half was already considered an adult in all respects.”[27]

In Ancient Greece, early marriage and motherhood for girls was encouraged.[28] Even boys were expected to marry in their teens. Early marriages and teenage motherhood was typical. In Ancient Rome, girls married above the age of 12 and boys above 14.[29] In the Middle Ages, under English civil laws that were derived from Roman laws, marriages before the age of 16 were common. In Imperial China, child marriage was the norm.[30][31]

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Reply #8 posted 01/13/18 2:13pm

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This happens in some countries all over the world.

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Reply #9 posted 01/13/18 2:17pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

And we dog Islamic countries.


You've got a point 2freaky. And when Christie was faced with a bill that would have placed restrictions on marriage, that no one under the age of 18 could wed, no exceptions, he declined to sign it stating that it would violate some religious traditions. The bill in question was bill A3091, which would have barred “persons under age 18 from marrying or entering into a civil union.” So, apparently, there are still religious traditions that involve people under the age of 18 to get married.

I had a cousin who got married at the age of 13, to a 22 year old. She was pregnant, her mom (my aunt) made her get married. She had her first child when she was 14. This was back in the 1970s. I had a good friend, in the 1980s, get married at 15, her husband was 18. She, too, had gotten pregnant, and decided to get married behind her mom's back. Her dad signed for her. I've had quite a few cousins, get married at 15, 16, and 17 years of age. None of it had to do with religion.

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Reply #10 posted 01/13/18 2:23pm

benni

OnlyNDaUsa said:

are we sure? the info I found was 16 was the age in Tennessee? (without a court order and NO WAY a judge could do that for 10-year-old to a 25)

must be 14 in Alaska

looks like 16 in Louisana (with a court order)


South Carolina looks like it is 16 unless she is pregnant or had a baby with the father...then there is not any specific age requirement.



In Tennessee, minors under the age of 16 may obtain a license in special circumstances.

There are 26 states which have no minimum marriage age. Children in those states can get married if certain conditions are met.

I googled 10 year old married in Tennessee and came up with a ton of links, related to what I've posted.

And yes, a judge could approve for a child at age 10 to get married to a a 25 year-old. I would like to think it wouldn't happen, that we have come far enough, but no....we haven't yet.

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Reply #11 posted 01/13/18 2:32pm

benni

Here is a link to some of the research that shows the numbers:


http://apps.frontline.org...e-numbers/

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Reply #12 posted 01/13/18 2:32pm

morningsong

benni said:



morningsong said:


benni said:

This number is between the years 2000 and 2015.


The youngest wedded were three 10-year-old girls in Tennessee who married men aged 24, 25 and 31 in 2001. The youngest groom was an 11-year-old who married a 27-year-old woman in the same state in 2006.

Children as young as 12 were granted marriage licences in Alaska, Louisiana and South Carolina, while 11 other states allowed 13-year-olds to wed.

More than 1,000 children aged 14 or under were granted marriage licences.

A 14-year-old girl married a 74-year-old man in Alabama, while a 17-year-old wed a 65-year-old groom in Idaho.

http://www.independent.co...30266.html


Historically, girls as young as 13, 14, 15 were allowed to wed at these ages, but mainly due to the fact that infant mortality was extremely high and historically to have a population grow, it was important to have a female who was fertile at a young age begin having babies at young ages, in the hopes that a few of those infants would live to adulthood.

Infant mortality is no longer as high as it once was and these types of marriages are no longer necessary to carry on the family or the human race.

It disgusts me to think of 10 year olds marrying. What are your thoughts?




You know dang well marrying someone off at 10 ain't got a thing to do with fertility rates. I read many years ago, and I believe it to be true, that marrying off girls at a young age means there is one less mouth to feed in the house. And since girls aren't traditionally the bread winners marrying them off as quickly as possible was the next best solution to making them useful to someone.



I didn't say that marrying someone off at age 10 has ANYTHING to do with fertility rates. Please read what I wrote. "Historically, girls as young as 13, 14, 15 were allowed to wed at these ages, but mainly due to infant mortality..."

To support that claim:



Historically, child marriage was common around the world, the average life expectancy did not exceed 50 years old so it was seen as a better way to reproduce through child marriage.[22] The practice began to be questioned in the 20th century, with the age of individuals' first marriage increasing in many countries and most countries increasing the minimum marriage age


In ancient and medieval societies, it was common for girls to be betrothed at or even before puberty.[23][24] As Friedman claims, "arranging and contracting the marriage of a young girl were the undisputed prerogatives of her father in ancient Israel." Most girls were married before the age of 15, often at the start of their puberty.[25] In the Middle Ages the age at marriage seems to have been around puberty throughout the Jewish world.[26]


Ruth Lamdan writes: “The numerous references to child marriage in the 16th- century Responsa literature and other sources, shows that child marriage was so common, it was virtually the norm. In this context, it is important to remember that in halakha, the term ‘minor’ refers to a girl under twelve years and a day. A girl aged twelve and a half was already considered an adult in all respects.”[27]


In Ancient Greece, early marriage and motherhood for girls was encouraged.[28] Even boys were expected to marry in their teens. Early marriages and teenage motherhood was typical. In Ancient Rome, girls married above the age of 12 and boys above 14.[29] In the Middle Ages, under English civil laws that were derived from Roman laws, marriages before the age of 16 were common. In Imperial China, child marriage was the norm.[30][31]




Going by what I've read

In some cultures, girls and women are not seen as potential wage earners — they’re considered a financial burden to the family. In these cases, families living in poverty who have several children may arrange a marriage for their child to reduce their economic burden: One less daughter to take care of means one less mouth to feed and one less education to pay for. Girls are also married off to offset debts or settle conflicts, effectively acting as a substitute for money.

https://www.globalcitizen...ger-syria/


Seems to me the places you see this kind of behavior you also see a lot less emphasis on educating girls.
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Reply #13 posted 01/13/18 2:33pm

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USA should make the law 18(adult) to get married. 16yo under special circumstances like terminal illness.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #14 posted 01/13/18 2:39pm

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morningsong said:

benni said:



I didn't say that marrying someone off at age 10 has ANYTHING to do with fertility rates. Please read what I wrote. "Historically, girls as young as 13, 14, 15 were allowed to wed at these ages, but mainly due to infant mortality..."

To support that claim:


Historically, child marriage was common around the world, the average life expectancy did not exceed 50 years old so it was seen as a better way to reproduce through child marriage.[22] The practice began to be questioned in the 20th century, with the age of individuals' first marriage increasing in many countries and most countries increasing the minimum marriage age

In ancient and medieval societies, it was common for girls to be betrothed at or even before puberty.[23][24] As Friedman claims, "arranging and contracting the marriage of a young girl were the undisputed prerogatives of her father in ancient Israel." Most girls were married before the age of 15, often at the start of their puberty.[25] In the Middle Ages the age at marriage seems to have been around puberty throughout the Jewish world.[26]

Ruth Lamdan writes: “The numerous references to child marriage in the 16th- century Responsa literature and other sources, shows that child marriage was so common, it was virtually the norm. In this context, it is important to remember that in halakha, the term ‘minor’ refers to a girl under twelve years and a day. A girl aged twelve and a half was already considered an adult in all respects.”[27]

In Ancient Greece, early marriage and motherhood for girls was encouraged.[28] Even boys were expected to marry in their teens. Early marriages and teenage motherhood was typical. In Ancient Rome, girls married above the age of 12 and boys above 14.[29] In the Middle Ages, under English civil laws that were derived from Roman laws, marriages before the age of 16 were common. In Imperial China, child marriage was the norm.[30][31]

Going by what I've read In some cultures, girls and women are not seen as potential wage earners — they’re considered a financial burden to the family. In these cases, families living in poverty who have several children may arrange a marriage for their child to reduce their economic burden: One less daughter to take care of means one less mouth to feed and one less education to pay for. Girls are also married off to offset debts or settle conflicts, effectively acting as a substitute for money. https://www.globalcitizen...ger-syria/ Seems to me the places you see this kind of behavior you also see a lot less emphasis on educating girls.


That is true today. That in some parts of the world that marrying off one child is to ease financial burden, and even historically, that has been true. Marriages were made as a way to add to a family's wealth, or were fiscally advantageous.

However, historically, it's also true that children were allowed to marry at young ages, due to infant mortality, or even just the fact that the life span of an individual was so short, and that in order to carry on the family blood line, a girl at 13 would be married off, so that hopefully, she could have several children by the time she was 20 and some of those would live to see adulthood.

Our life span has increased, and it is no longer seen as imperative to marry kids off at those ages to carry on the family blood line, and we no longer marry under those conditions. However, there are still countries that do marry children off due to financial crisis in the family.


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Reply #15 posted 01/13/18 3:50pm

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The man that offered his virgin daughter to me for marriage was originally from out of the USA. I declined and told him I like women with some experience. Trump likes that too.
I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #16 posted 01/13/18 4:10pm

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eek eek That's such a crime so disgusting, have you seen the picture of the article, that's everything the face of those young women.

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Reply #17 posted 01/13/18 7:17pm

morningsong

benni said:



morningsong said:


benni said:




I didn't say that marrying someone off at age 10 has ANYTHING to do with fertility rates. Please read what I wrote. "Historically, girls as young as 13, 14, 15 were allowed to wed at these ages, but mainly due to infant mortality..."

To support that claim:



Historically, child marriage was common around the world, the average life expectancy did not exceed 50 years old so it was seen as a better way to reproduce through child marriage.[22] The practice began to be questioned in the 20th century, with the age of individuals' first marriage increasing in many countries and most countries increasing the minimum marriage age


In ancient and medieval societies, it was common for girls to be betrothed at or even before puberty.[23][24] As Friedman claims, "arranging and contracting the marriage of a young girl were the undisputed prerogatives of her father in ancient Israel." Most girls were married before the age of 15, often at the start of their puberty.[25] In the Middle Ages the age at marriage seems to have been around puberty throughout the Jewish world.[26]


Ruth Lamdan writes: “The numerous references to child marriage in the 16th- century Responsa literature and other sources, shows that child marriage was so common, it was virtually the norm. In this context, it is important to remember that in halakha, the term ‘minor’ refers to a girl under twelve years and a day. A girl aged twelve and a half was already considered an adult in all respects.”[27]


In Ancient Greece, early marriage and motherhood for girls was encouraged.[28] Even boys were expected to marry in their teens. Early marriages and teenage motherhood was typical. In Ancient Rome, girls married above the age of 12 and boys above 14.[29] In the Middle Ages, under English civil laws that were derived from Roman laws, marriages before the age of 16 were common. In Imperial China, child marriage was the norm.[30][31]



Going by what I've read In some cultures, girls and women are not seen as potential wage earners — they’re considered a financial burden to the family. In these cases, families living in poverty who have several children may arrange a marriage for their child to reduce their economic burden: One less daughter to take care of means one less mouth to feed and one less education to pay for. Girls are also married off to offset debts or settle conflicts, effectively acting as a substitute for money. https://www.globalcitizen...ger-syria/ Seems to me the places you see this kind of behavior you also see a lot less emphasis on educating girls.


That is true today. That in some parts of the world that marrying off one child is to ease financial burden, and even historically, that has been true. Marriages were made as a way to add to a family's wealth, or were fiscally advantageous.

However, historically, it's also true that children were allowed to marry at young ages, due to infant mortality, or even just the fact that the life span of an individual was so short, and that in order to carry on the family blood line, a girl at 13 would be married off, so that hopefully, she could have several children by the time she was 20 and some of those would live to see adulthood.

Our life span has increased, and it is no longer seen as imperative to marry kids off at those ages to carry on the family blood line, and we no longer marry under those conditions. However, there are still countries that do marry children off due to financial crisis in the family.




Which is really really weird because mortality rates go down when a young woman has fully physically matured before having children even today. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to say you're marrying them off at an age their body is still actively growing just for the fertility of the community. Same difference for young men they haven't even finished growing in their teens.
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Reply #18 posted 01/14/18 3:42am

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Are you sure the young ones were not Muslim or Hindu's who had dispensation as their cultures force "honour marriages" of girls as young as 8 to 80 year old men.

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Or more likely the girl was lying about her age and may be well developed due to a lot of milk products (Like budding at 11 or 12).

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Seems strange they are allowed. In New Zealand you have to be 18 to marry and 16 only with parental consent. Marriage or sex with a person under 16 is punished with jail time and there is no compassionato or toleranza for Islamique, Hindu, African tribal, polygamy cult or any other cultural matrimony practice that invoves children under 16 years of age.

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Reply #19 posted 01/30/18 6:18am

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A child, age 11, was forced to marry her rapist. She's fighting now to end child marriage in America:


https://www.cnn.com/2018/...index.html

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Reply #20 posted 01/30/18 6:41am

benni

morningsong said:

benni said:


That is true today. That in some parts of the world that marrying off one child is to ease financial burden, and even historically, that has been true. Marriages were made as a way to add to a family's wealth, or were fiscally advantageous.

However, historically, it's also true that children were allowed to marry at young ages, due to infant mortality, or even just the fact that the life span of an individual was so short, and that in order to carry on the family blood line, a girl at 13 would be married off, so that hopefully, she could have several children by the time she was 20 and some of those would live to see adulthood.

Our life span has increased, and it is no longer seen as imperative to marry kids off at those ages to carry on the family blood line, and we no longer marry under those conditions. However, there are still countries that do marry children off due to financial crisis in the family.

Which is really really weird because mortality rates go down when a young woman has fully physically matured before having children even today. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to say you're marrying them off at an age their body is still actively growing just for the fertility of the community. Same difference for young men they haven't even finished growing in their teens.


You have to remember that we are talking historically. Back then, mortality was still high. Heck, even in 1818, the average life expectancy was 37 years of age. With that kind of life expectancy, you'd want a wife young enough to have children and be able to live along enough to raise them.

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Reply #21 posted 01/30/18 6:44am

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Adorecream said:

Are you sure the young ones were not Muslim or Hindu's who had dispensation as their cultures force "honour marriages" of girls as young as 8 to 80 year old men.

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Or more likely the girl was lying about her age and may be well developed due to a lot of milk products (Like budding at 11 or 12).

.

Seems strange they are allowed. In New Zealand you have to be 18 to marry and 16 only with parental consent. Marriage or sex with a person under 16 is punished with jail time and there is no compassionato or toleranza for Islamique, Hindu, African tribal, polygamy cult or any other cultural matrimony practice that invoves children under 16 years of age.


I'm sure they weren't all Muslim's or Hindu's, though they may figure into some of the statistics. And yes, it does seem strange that they are allowed, however, the laws in some American states are written that does not give a minor age allowed with parental or judicial consent. Most states (probably all, I'm not sure of that) state that an individual can get married at 18 without parental consent, anyone under the age of 18 must have parental consent, and some states allow even younger children to be married with parent AND judicial consent.

I just posted a news article about a young woman who is fighting to end childhood marriages. She was 11 years of age when she was forced to marry her rapist.

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Furry, that was sick and not funny.

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Reply #23 posted 01/30/18 9:32am

morningsong

benni said:

morningsong said:

benni said: Which is really really weird because mortality rates go down when a young woman has fully physically matured before having children even today. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to say you're marrying them off at an age their body is still actively growing just for the fertility of the community. Same difference for young men they haven't even finished growing in their teens.


You have to remember that we are talking historically. Back then, mortality was still high. Heck, even in 1818, the average life expectancy was 37 years of age. With that kind of life expectancy, you'd want a wife young enough to have children and be able to live along enough to raise them.



Yeah, high deadly disease rates were a major factor but then included in that average life expectancy is also the high mortality rates. Lower the mortality rate the average life expectancy raises. Healthier parents produce healthier children, and a healthier community.

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Reply #24 posted 01/30/18 6:42pm

benni

morningsong said:

benni said:


You have to remember that we are talking historically. Back then, mortality was still high. Heck, even in 1818, the average life expectancy was 37 years of age. With that kind of life expectancy, you'd want a wife young enough to have children and be able to live along enough to raise them.



Yeah, high deadly disease rates were a major factor but then included in that average life expectancy is also the high mortality rates. Lower the mortality rate the average life expectancy raises. Healthier parents produce healthier children, and a healthier community.


That is very true. Of course if you lower the mortality rate then life expectancy will rise.

But again, my comment about the need to marry off young girls due to low mortality rates was talking "historically" as the reason for doing so.

Quoted from my previous post:


Historically, girls as young as 13, 14, 15 were allowed to wed at these ages, but mainly due to the fact that infant mortality was extremely high and historically to have a population grow, it was important to have a female who was fertile at a young age begin having babies at young ages, in the hopes that a few of those infants would live to adulthood.

Infant mortality is no longer as high as it once was and these types of marriages are no longer necessary to carry on the family or the human race.

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