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Hollywood Sexual Harassment Thread Redux

Stan Lee, 95, has been accused "groping and demandind oral sex". He denies the allegations and calls them a "shakedown".

http://www.dailymail.co.u...urses.html


In a statement, his lawyer has said:

'Mr. Lee categorically denies these false and despicable allegations and he fully intends to fight to protect his stellar good name and impeccable character.

'We are not aware of anyone filing a civil action, or reporting these issues to the police, which for any genuine claim would be the more appropriate way for it to be handled.

'Instead, Mr. Lee has received demands to pay money and threats that if he does not do so, the accuser will go to the media.

'Mr Lee will not be extorted or blackmailed, and will pay no money to anyone because he has done absolutely nothing wrong.'




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Reply #1 posted 01/10/18 6:16am

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Are there any men celebs claiming sexual harrassment beside Terry Crews???

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Reply #2 posted 01/10/18 7:38am

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luv4u said:

Are there any men celebs claiming sexual harrassment beside Terry Crews???


Kevin Spacey, George Takei & Bryan Singer have been accused by men.
Then there's Corey Feldman.

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Reply #3 posted 01/10/18 7:52am

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FX conducted an investigation of Louis C.K. and found no evidence of WORKPLACE misconduct.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...ation.html

I guess the story is, although he's confessed to allegations, FX is in the clear because it wasn't employees on his shows with them?

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Reply #4 posted 01/10/18 8:42am

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again actual crimes and actual workplace harassment aside: if this keeps going we will see people lose their careers over being pushy or being aggressive in their pursuit of a date.

There is some (I Assume) recent issue with Ginuwine who REJECTED the advances of a woman who is transgender!

So he is being attacked for NOT being interested?



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Reply #5 posted 01/10/18 8:56am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

again actual crimes and actual workplace harassment aside: if this keeps going we will see people lose their careers over being pushy or being aggressive in their pursuit of a date.

There is some (I Assume) recent issue with Ginuwine who REJECTED the advances of a woman who is transgender!

So he is being attacked for NOT being interested?




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djThunderfunk said:

luv4u said:

Are there any men celebs claiming sexual harrassment beside Terry Crews???


Kevin Spacey, George Takei & Bryan Singer have been accused by men.
Then there's Corey Feldman.



What about men claiming women sexually assaulted them?


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Reply #7 posted 01/10/18 10:03am

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luv4u said:

djThunderfunk said:


Kevin Spacey, George Takei & Bryan Singer have been accused by men.
Then there's Corey Feldman.



What about men claiming women sexually assaulted them?


or in the case of Ginuwine when a person's advances are rejected the rejector gets attacked.

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Reply #8 posted 01/10/18 10:15am

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luv4u said:

djThunderfunk said:


Kevin Spacey, George Takei & Bryan Singer have been accused by men.
Then there's Corey Feldman.



What about men claiming women sexually assaulted them?



Not that I'm aware of.

From my time I'm Earth, it seems to me that:
- few men would object

- few men that might object would be willing to publicly admit sexual assault from a woman

Obviously it happens but no doubt is rare compared to men sexually assaulting women.


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Michael Douglas has come out to deny an impending story that he masturbated in front of an employee 30 years ago in an effort to avoid the "she said, he's gone" scenario.

http://deadline.com/2018/...202239676/

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Reply #10 posted 01/10/18 10:46am

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James Franco addressed accusations against him on Colbert Tuesday night.

https://www.nbcnews.com/s...ow-n836366




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Reply #11 posted 01/10/18 10:51am

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luv4u said:

djThunderfunk said:


Kevin Spacey, George Takei & Bryan Singer have been accused by men.
Then there's Corey Feldman.



What about men claiming women sexually assaulted them?



I don't know of any celebrity assault cases, but Mariah Carey was accused of sexual harassment: http://www.tmz.com/2017/1...arassment/

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Reply #12 posted 01/10/18 11:52am

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Reply #13 posted 01/10/18 11:54am

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Reply #14 posted 01/10/18 11:58am

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omg lol

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Reply #16 posted 01/10/18 1:07pm

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Writer and director Martin McDonagh wears a "Time's Up" pin on his all-black tuxedo at the 2018 Golden Globe Awards.

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Reply #18 posted 01/10/18 1:30pm

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I just hope this time this gets fixed. the idea of the casting couch goes back many years. It was never a secret that for many to get a job they had to make their case. As sick as that is, it seems it went uncorrected for so long and many had to suffer.


As to victims that said nothing. Leave them alone, that is victim blaming.

Same with some who knew and said nothing. (that would be ones that were less established: but to me any well-established non-direct-victims that knew and said nothing... shame on them)

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I don't think the way to "fix" the problem is to abandon due process. Nor am I inclined to always believe or never believe without proof. If we're at a point where we are willing to go with "trial by public opinion", then, since I'm part of the "public", I guess I'll decide what to believe on a case by case basis.

I'll start with Stan Lee. Either A) he's a dirty old man, B) he's the victim of extortion or C) at 95 years old, he's losing his faculties and can't help himself.

I think we can dismiss option C. Although he's obviously slowing down, anybody who has seen him at a comic convention, a press conference or any other interviews in the last year would have difficulty believing he's suffering from dementia. Furthermore, accepting such behavior from the elderly is indeed part of the job description for nurses and if the situation is untenable the option is always to only use a male nurse for such a patient. Also, the new nursing company that is caring for him now would most likely be saying this is the case instead of reporting that he has been nothing but a gentleman with them.

As for option A, there's a million stories of people interacting with Stan Lee and I've never heard a single person (other than his current accusers) say anything other than he is a perfect gentleman to everybody he encounters. It seems highly unlikely that someone who has been a public figure as long as he has would behave this way without a single other story to corroborate bad behavior.

So that leaves B. His lawyer says that the accusers demanded payment or they would go to the media. If this is true it's clearly extortion. If it's not true, then why did Lee come out with this story ahead of them and why didn't they already go to the media, or better yet, the police?

So, in the court of MY opinion, Stan Lee is innocent of the sexual misconduct he has been accused of.

Feel free to tell me all the ways I am wrong on this. wink

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Reply #20 posted 01/11/18 2:48am

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I know the whole theme of this situation is to always believe the accuser but to be perfectly honest, I don't believe them in the vast majority of cases. No doubt there have been a lot of genuine instances of sexual abuse but human nature being what it is has led to a lot of false accusations being levelled at innocent men by women in search of a payout.

Which is awful for the innocent men being accused of these things but in the long run it could be worse for women who have actually been victims of sexual abuse. Let's say, for example, the accusations against Stan Lee, Stallone, Michael Douglas etc turn out to be proven false. Then another woman comes forward who actually HAS been abused by someone and her complaints are then treated with doubt because of the amount of false claims that's been made. The only ones who come out of that well are the actual sexual abusers.
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Reply #21 posted 01/11/18 2:51am

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djThunderfunk said:

Michael Douglas has come out to deny an impending story that he masturbated in front of an employee 30 years ago in an effort to avoid the "she said, he's gone" scenario.

http://deadline.com/2018/...202239676/



If a young Michael Douglas did that in front of me I don't think I'd complain about it LOL

But seriously, things are getting out of hand. Although not in the case of Michael Douglas LOLOLOL
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EmmaMcG said:

I know the whole theme of this situation is to always believe the accuser but to be perfectly honest, I don't believe them in the vast majority of cases. No doubt there have been a lot of genuine instances of sexual abuse but human nature being what it is has led to a lot of false accusations being levelled at innocent men by women in search of a payout. Which is awful for the innocent men being accused of these things but in the long run it could be worse for women who have actually been victims of sexual abuse. Let's say, for example, the accusations against Stan Lee, Stallone, Michael Douglas etc turn out to be proven false. Then another woman comes forward who actually HAS been abused by someone and her complaints are then treated with doubt because of the amount of false claims that's been made. The only ones who come out of that well are the actual sexual abusers.

the Stallone case, the lady isn't even saying Stallone did something wrong.
She said she pursued him, went there for the purpose of having sex with him.

And that he was gentle and nice to her.

She said she didn't really want to give a blo job to his bodyguard who was there when she went.
The bodyguard died about 10yrs ago...

She is saying she didn't like the threat Stallone allegedly gave to keep it quiet because they were married.
Stallone denies this.

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Reply #23 posted 01/11/18 7:09am

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I truly hope all these allegation are true and not some people trying to kill someone's carreer just out of spite or because they don;t like someone and this is an easy way to destroy them.
Because in the end this will only cause that powerful men will be "scared" to hire women for whatever job. Those men will become afraid that women will accuse them for whatever when they ask them to work late or something when they don''t want to or whatever.
And I foresee that men then will steer clear from women by any means nessesary lol

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JorisE73 said:

I truly hope all these allegation are true and not some people trying to kill someone's carreer just out of spite or because they don;t like someone and this is an easy way to destroy them.
Because in the end this will only cause that powerful men will be "scared" to hire women for whatever job. Those men will become afraid that women will accuse them for whatever when they ask them to work late or something when they don''t want to or whatever.
And I foresee that men then will steer clear from women by any means nessesary lol


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JorisE73 said:

I truly hope all these allegation are true and not some people trying to kill someone's carreer just out of spite or because they don;t like someone and this is an easy way to destroy them.
Because in the end this will only cause that powerful men will be "scared" to hire women for whatever job. Those men will become afraid that women will accuse them for whatever when they ask them to work late or something when they don''t want to or whatever.
And I foresee that men then will steer clear from women by any means nessesary lol


The likelihood that "all" the allegations are true are about as slim as "all" being false.

And therein lies the problem.

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Reply #26 posted 01/11/18 8:22am

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JorisE73 said:

I truly hope all these allegation are true and not some people trying to kill someone's carreer just out of spite or because they don;t like someone and this is an easy way to destroy them.
Because in the end this will only cause that powerful men will be "scared" to hire women for whatever job. Those men will become afraid that women will accuse them for whatever when they ask them to work late or something when they don''t want to or whatever.
And I foresee that men then will steer clear from women by any means nessesary lol

This is not going away. You are using scare tactics that won't work. If men like that steer clear of women, we are better off. Just give us equal pay and a respectful work environment. The evidence for SEXUAL MISCONDUCT (proper term) is overwhelming. There will be damage to perps and victims alike.

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poppys said:

JorisE73 said:

I truly hope all these allegation are true and not some people trying to kill someone's carreer just out of spite or because they don;t like someone and this is an easy way to destroy them.
Because in the end this will only cause that powerful men will be "scared" to hire women for whatever job. Those men will become afraid that women will accuse them for whatever when they ask them to work late or something when they don''t want to or whatever.
And I foresee that men then will steer clear from women by any means nessesary lol

This is not going away. You are using scare tactics that won't work. If men like that steer clear of women, we are better off. Just give us equal pay and a respectful work environment. The evidence for SEXUAL MISCONDUCT (proper term) is overwhelming. There will be damage to perps and victims alike.

for one woman are paid the same.


as to the rest: the trick is to stop the actual offensive behavior and correct those that have conducted themselves poorly in an appropriate manner...without... punishing those whos conduct was well within the limits of acceptable conduct. And not apply the current standard overly harshly to conduct of the past. And not cause a hostile work environment.

These issues are complex and we ought to proceed with caution. As I have said we will see people taken down for what was (at least at the time) acceptable conduct.

I further predict (as I have already said) that we will see people getting in 'trouble' for refusing advances. (as we saw this week)

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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luv4u said:

JorisE73 said:

I truly hope all these allegation are true and not some people trying to kill someone's carreer just out of spite or because they don;t like someone and this is an easy way to destroy them.
Because in the end this will only cause that powerful men will be "scared" to hire women for whatever job. Those men will become afraid that women will accuse them for whatever when they ask them to work late or something when they don''t want to or whatever.
And I foresee that men then will steer clear from women by any means nessesary lol


yeahthat

yep

History has shown over and over that people do things for selfish reason or motives.

Which makes it hard for those who have actually experienced a wrong crime or sexual assault

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

poppys said:

This is not going away. You are using scare tactics that won't work. If men like that steer clear of women, we are better off. Just give us equal pay and a respectful work environment. The evidence for SEXUAL MISCONDUCT (proper term) is overwhelming. There will be damage to perps and victims alike.

for one woman are paid the same.



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