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U.N. Peacekeepers in Chicago?

Cook County Commissioner, Richard Boykin is in talks to bring U.N. Peacekeepers to the streets of Chicago after refusing to allow the National Guard to fill such a roll. The Chicago Police Chief has reminded Boykin that the U.N. has no jurisdiction in Chicago.

http://www.chicagotribune...story.html


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Reply #1 posted 12/19/17 3:23pm

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If you are asking, are there any U.N. peacekeepers in Chicago? The answer is no.

If you are asking, should there be U.N. Peacekeepers in Chicago? The answer is no.

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Reply #2 posted 12/19/17 3:37pm

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RodeoSchro said:

If you are asking, are there any U.N. peacekeepers in Chicago? The answer is no.

If you are asking, should there be U.N. Peacekeepers in Chicago? The answer is no.


Cook County Commissioner Boykin thinks there should be, and is trying to make it happen.

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Reply #3 posted 12/19/17 4:09pm

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djThunderfunk said:

RodeoSchro said:

If you are asking, are there any U.N. peacekeepers in Chicago? The answer is no.

If you are asking, should there be U.N. Peacekeepers in Chicago? The answer is no.


Cook County Commissioner Boykin thinks there should be, and is trying to make it happen.



He thinks they'd be better than the National Guard troops our genius president wants to send in.

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RodeoSchro said:

djThunderfunk said:


Cook County Commissioner Boykin thinks there should be, and is trying to make it happen.



He thinks they'd be better than the National Guard troops our genius president wants to send in.


The National Guard makes sense and is legal, the U.N. does not make sense and is not legal without the federal government's approval.

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Reply #5 posted 12/19/17 4:37pm

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Out of curiousity, what is that scenero supposed to be? Okay, peacekeepers go in and...?


I personally can see the rest of the country literally explode the minute the first US citizen is shot.


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Reply #6 posted 12/19/17 4:53pm

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and the murder rate goes up be a factor of 10

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Reply #8 posted 12/20/17 2:51am

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http://peacekeeping.un.or...ns-mandate

See this page too: https://peacekeeping.un.o...acekeeping

UN peacekeepers simply don't enter situations like this. And, in the kind of post-conflict situations that they do enter, they do so with the consent of formerly warring parties, after those parties have reached a political settlement, i.e. where there's a peace to keep and sides that want to keep it. None of that applies here.

The county commissioner is "in talks to bring U.N. Peacekeepers to the streets of Chicago" in the same way as I'm "in a brainstorming session to come up with the big idea that'll net me a cool billion by this time next year." It's a fanciful aspiration with zero possibility of being made a reality. It'll only raise the hackles of the usual right-wing Alex Jones types who see an NWO takeover around every corner. Those with cooler heads will see it as a bit of desperate rhetoric that's a rather sad reflection on a terrible situation.

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Reply #9 posted 12/20/17 6:17am

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Our genius president - who has absolutely no grasp of the situation - told the fine people of Chicago five days after his inauguration that if they didn't stop killing each other, he'd "send in the Feds".

No one knew what the hell our genius president was talking about: http://www.chicagotribune...story.html

Was it a response to the Justice Department report that "Chicago police routinely used excessive force and violated the civil rights of citizens, particularly in the mostly minority communities that are hardest hit by violence"? (ibid.) Who knows?

What our genius president finally did was send 20 ATF agents to Chicago this past summer.

I suspect the "controversy" surrounding this story was manufactured by Alex Jones. Let's go see if this story is on the InfoWars front page....

...Surprise! It's currently the third listing under "Most Popular".

I'll be Alex Jones actually orgasmed on this one.

https://www.infowars.com/...f-chicago/


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That's two votes for writing this one off as an Alex Jones type story, even though the source of the info is the Chicago Tribune.

No doubt Jones has something to say on the subject, but, so what? Does Jones' interest invalidate the story in the Tribune or the concerns of citizens that take issue with Boykin's initiative?

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djThunderfunk said:

That's two votes for writing this one off as an Alex Jones type story, even though the source of the info is the Chicago Tribune.

No doubt Jones has something to say on the subject, but, so what? Does Jones' interest invalidate the story in the Tribune or the concerns of citizens that take issue with Boykin's initiative?

Well, the Tribune reports that he said it, which is perfectly appropriate for a newspaper to do, and which seems, as far as I can see, to be credible. What they don't say, and thus what they can't be cited as a source for, is the idea that it's actually going ahead (i.e. any claims that it's really an "initiative", or that the commissioner is "in talks" to realise it). That's just imagination running wild.

Incidentally, my invoking of Jones is no more than metonymy. It's to refer to a particular type of loon that's credulous enough to take something like this seriously.

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djThunderfunk said:

That's two votes for writing this one off as an Alex Jones type story, even though the source of the info is the Chicago Tribune.

No doubt Jones has something to say on the subject, but, so what? Does Jones' interest invalidate the story in the Tribune or the concerns of citizens that take issue with Boykin's initiative?



AFAIC, yes.

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On a different note, I had to laugh grimly at Boykin's clueless referencing of the UN's role in Rwanda ("There was tribal warfare between the Tutsis and the Hutus in Africa, and they deployed peacekeeping troops there to help save those populations and reduce the bloodshed."). The Rwanda genocide is well known as a catastrophic failure of UN peacekeeping, in which up to 1 million Tutsis were massacred over a lengthy 100-day period, as the global powers looked on and utterly failed to stop the killing.

Did they get this guy off the street?

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deebee said:

djThunderfunk said:

That's two votes for writing this one off as an Alex Jones type story, even though the source of the info is the Chicago Tribune.

No doubt Jones has something to say on the subject, but, so what? Does Jones' interest invalidate the story in the Tribune or the concerns of citizens that take issue with Boykin's initiative?

Well, the Tribune reports that he said it, which is perfectly appropriate for a newspaper to do, and which seems, as far as I can see, to be credible. What they don't say, and thus what they can't be cited as a source for, is the idea that it's actually going ahead (i.e. any claims that it's really an "initiative", or that the commissioner is "in talks" to realise it). That's just imagination running wild.

Incidentally, my invoking of Jones is no more than metonymy. It's to refer to a particular type of loon that's credulous enough to take something like this seriously.


It might be loony to have a sky is falling approach as I assume Jones does (I didn't click the infowars story to find out), but, if Boykin was successful, it would completely reasonable to object.

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RodeoSchro said:

djThunderfunk said:

That's two votes for writing this one off as an Alex Jones type story, even though the source of the info is the Chicago Tribune.

No doubt Jones has something to say on the subject, but, so what? Does Jones' interest invalidate the story in the Tribune or the concerns of citizens that take issue with Boykin's initiative?



AFAIC, yes.


lol Wow.....

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djThunderfunk said:

deebee said:

Well, the Tribune reports that he said it, which is perfectly appropriate for a newspaper to do, and which seems, as far as I can see, to be credible. What they don't say, and thus what they can't be cited as a source for, is the idea that it's actually going ahead (i.e. any claims that it's really an "initiative", or that the commissioner is "in talks" to realise it). That's just imagination running wild.

Incidentally, my invoking of Jones is no more than metonymy. It's to refer to a particular type of loon that's credulous enough to take something like this seriously.


It might be loony to have a sky is falling approach as I assume Jones does (I didn't click the infowars story to find out), but, if Boykin was successful, it would completely reasonable to object.

Yes, and if I were to be successful in my billionnaire brainstorm, it would be completely reasonable to run into work and take a shit on my boss's desk. It's probably a wise idea to wait for even the thinnest shred of evidence that the daydream could actually happen before exposing oneself in either case, though.

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How about trump and his administration working on stopping illegal guns from getting into communities like Chicago in America? How about going after the drug dealers sending drugs into American communities? That would be a good start. Let’s not forget what happened during the Reagan years when illegal weapons and drugs were being put into poor communities and some members of our government aware of it.

Putting people in jail for gun possession to feed the prison-for-profit industry, is not enough to solve the crime problem. Nip it in the bud by dealing upfront with illegal gun and drug trafficking. Go to/find the source from where the drugs and illegal guns comes from.
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2elijah said:

How about trump and his administration working on stopping illegal guns from getting into communities like Chicago in America? How about going after the drug dealers sending drugs into American communities? That would be a good start. Let’s not forget what happened during the Reagan years when illegal weapons and drugs were being put into poor communities and some members of our government aware of it. Putting people in jail for gun possession to feed the prison-for-profit industry, is not enough to solve the crime problem. Nip it in the bud by dealing upfront with illegal gun and drug trafficking. Go to/find the source from where the drugs and illegal guns comes from. [Edited 12/20/17 7:48am]

And of course a lot of this drug related violence would end immediately if drugs were legalized. But NO ONE wants to even consider that option. The "drug war" is always a war on SOME in the game, not all ...

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2elijah said:


How about trump and his administration working on stopping illegal guns from getting into communities like Chicago in America? How about going after the drug dealers sending drugs into American communities? That would be a good start. Let’s not forget what happened during the Reagan years when illegal weapons and drugs were being put into poor communities and some members of our government aware of it. Putting people in jail for gun possession to feed the prison-for-profit industry, is not enough to solve the crime problem. Nip it in the bud by dealing upfront with illegal gun and drug trafficking. Go to/find the source from where the drugs and illegal guns comes from. [Edited 12/20/17 7:48am]

And of course a lot of this drug related violence would end immediately if drugs were legalized. But NO ONE wants to even consider that option. The "drug war" is always a war on SOME in the game, not all ...


Exactly. There would be a decrease in private prisons/less profit; decrease in overcrowding/less inmate intake for fed/state prisons/county jails; reduction in drug-related crimes.

On top be other hand: Possible layoffs for prison and police force because of reduction of drug-related crimes. Some police would still find other excuses/suspicions to harass citizens in those communities to fill their monthly quotas to avoid layoffs.

Just think about that though.. how the prison industry/some law enforcement agencies, saw/see profit and less layoffs in police depts, with drug and gun related crimes.


You have a good point JJ. The only way we will see a difference being made in Chicago’s drug-related crime rate, is legalizing drugs, and going after the ‘main source’ trafficking illegal guns into many of America’s communities of color. No money to be made if the drugs are free. Decrease in gang-related deaths if illegal drug were not easy to get in. How could UN Peacekeepers change any of that though, other than just trying to ‘keep the peace?’ How would they contribute to stopping the flow of guns and drugs? Take those two bad elements out, and the problem could be solved.
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djThunderfunk said:

RodeoSchro said:



AFAIC, yes.


lol Wow.....



No "wow" needed. Alex Jones is an unhinged nutjob who scares people for money. He is not a credible source of information, ever. In the rare instance he "reports" on something and doesn't get all the facts wrong, that only means that the story could have been sourced from somewhere else.

And I know where you're going to go - "But this story came from the Chicago Tribune!!1!!11!!! And/or CNS News!!1!!11!!!"

But what certified loon/unfit father Alex Jones (via his editor Paul Joseph Watson) DIDN'T report was: (1) Boykin is one of 17 county commissioners; (2) as such, Boykin has no authority whateosever to represent or bind the City of Chicago in any way, shape or form; and (3) a whole lot of other agencies - including Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Push Coalition - have appealed to the UN before for help in Chicago and other cities with issues like human trafficking and voter suppression.


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deebee said:

djThunderfunk said:


It might be loony to have a sky is falling approach as I assume Jones does (I didn't click the infowars story to find out), but, if Boykin was successful, it would completely reasonable to object.

Yes, and if I were to be successful in my billionnaire brainstorm, it would be completely reasonable to run into work and take a shit on my boss's desk. It's probably a wise idea to wait for even the thinnest shred of evidence that the daydream could actually happen before exposing oneself in either case, though.


"exposing oneself"?

If Boykin is actively trying to make it happen (which he is), The Chicago Tribune finds it worth reporting (which they did) and the Chicago Police Chief finds it worth addressing (which he did), then it is a legitimate topic and not some nonsense that only fringe elements such as Jones are talking about.

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jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:

How about trump and his administration working on stopping illegal guns from getting into communities like Chicago in America? How about going after the drug dealers sending drugs into American communities? That would be a good start. Let’s not forget what happened during the Reagan years when illegal weapons and drugs were being put into poor communities and some members of our government aware of it. Putting people in jail for gun possession to feed the prison-for-profit industry, is not enough to solve the crime problem. Nip it in the bud by dealing upfront with illegal gun and drug trafficking. Go to/find the source from where the drugs and illegal guns comes from. [Edited 12/20/17 7:48am]

And of course a lot of this drug related violence would end immediately if drugs were legalized. But NO ONE wants to even consider that option. The "drug war" is always a war on SOME in the game, not all ...


With zero sarcasm and 100% sincerity I absolutely see eye to eye with you on this. The war on drugs has been exposed as a war on segments of society that some wish to silence and/or control and needs to end immediately.

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RodeoSchro said:

djThunderfunk said:


lol Wow.....



No "wow" needed. Alex Jones is an unhinged nutjob who scares people for money. He is not a credible source of information, ever. In the rare instance he "reports" on something and doesn't get all the facts wrong, that only means that the story could have been sourced from somewhere else.

And I know where you're going to go - "But this story came from the Chicago Tribune!!1!!11!!! And/or CNS News!!1!!11!!!"

But what certified loon/unfit father Alex Jones (via his editor Paul Joseph Watson) DIDN'T report was: (1) Boykin is one of 17 county commissioners; (2) as such, Boykin has no authority whateosever to represent or bind the City of Chicago in any way, shape or form; and (3) a whole lot of other agencies - including Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Push Coalition - have appealed to the UN before for help in Chicago and other cities with issues like human trafficking and voter suppression.



The point being, Alex Jones is NOT the "source" of this story. Who cares if it interests him or he also reports on it, or what his motivations might be? It's irrelevent.

To disregard the fact that Boykin has made the attempt, The Chicago Tribune is reporting on it, and the Chicago Police Chief has addressed it, all because Jones also talked about it, seems nutty to me.

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djThunderfunk said:

deebee said:

Yes, and if I were to be successful in my billionnaire brainstorm, it would be completely reasonable to run into work and take a shit on my boss's desk. It's probably a wise idea to wait for even the thinnest shred of evidence that the daydream could actually happen before exposing oneself in either case, though.


"exposing oneself"?

If Boykin is actively trying to make it happen (which he is), The Chicago Tribune finds it worth reporting (which they did) and the Chicago Police Chief finds it worth addressing (which he did), then it is a legitimate topic and not some nonsense that only fringe elements such as Jones are talking about.



No, it's one guy out of 17 commissioners (and literally hundreds of other elected Chicago politicians) who took it upon himself to talk to the UN. Everyone else quoted in your story said he was misdirected and wasting his time.

But moonbats like Alex Jones write this story to make you think that the Blue Hats will be reading those secret directions on the backs of traffic signs any day now, and goose-stepping into a city near you.

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djThunderfunk said:

deebee said:

Yes, and if I were to be successful in my billionnaire brainstorm, it would be completely reasonable to run into work and take a shit on my boss's desk. It's probably a wise idea to wait for even the thinnest shred of evidence that the daydream could actually happen before exposing oneself in either case, though.


"exposing oneself"?

If Boykin is actively trying to make it happen (which he is), The Chicago Tribune finds it worth reporting (which they did) and the Chicago Police Chief finds it worth addressing (which he did), then it is a legitimate topic and not some nonsense that only fringe elements such as Jones are talking about.

Talk about it all you like; just know that there's absolutely no way it can happen except in Conspiracyland.

Read the UN page I posted: they only deploy peacekeepers in situations in which previously warring parties have reached a political settlement (y'know, after a war!) and with the consent of those parties. The newspapers are indeed justified in reporting what's certainly a newsworthy statement - just as they would be if he announced himself the Queen of Sheba - but they're doing no more than transcribing the words that have tumbled out of a rather clueless fellow's mouth, and which sound to me more like desperate rhetoric than a plan of action.

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RodeoSchro said:

djThunderfunk said:


"exposing oneself"?

If Boykin is actively trying to make it happen (which he is), The Chicago Tribune finds it worth reporting (which they did) and the Chicago Police Chief finds it worth addressing (which he did), then it is a legitimate topic and not some nonsense that only fringe elements such as Jones are talking about.



No, it's one guy out of 17 commissioners (and literally hundreds of other elected Chicago politicians) who took it upon himself to talk to the UN. Everyone else quoted in your story said he was misdirected and wasting his time.

But moonbats like Alex Jones write this story to make you think that the Blue Hats will be reading those secret directions on the backs of traffic signs any day now, and goose-stepping into a city near you.

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You're acting like I got this story from Jones. I didn't. As far as I can tell, neither did The Chicago Tribune or the police chief. Who cares that Jones has a conspiracy theory take on it? It's still a valid story, even if if Boykin doesn't have the power or support to make it happen.

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deebee said:

djThunderfunk said:


"exposing oneself"?

If Boykin is actively trying to make it happen (which he is), The Chicago Tribune finds it worth reporting (which they did) and the Chicago Police Chief finds it worth addressing (which he did), then it is a legitimate topic and not some nonsense that only fringe elements such as Jones are talking about.

Talk about it all you like; just know that there's absolutely no way it can happen except in Conspiracyland.

Read the UN page I posted: they only deploy peacekeepers in situations in which previously warring parties have reached a political settlement (y'know, after a war!) and with the consent of those parties. The newspapers are indeed justified in reporting what's certainly a newsworthy statement - just as they would be if he announced himself the Queen of Sheba - but they're doing no more than transcribing the words that have tumbled out of a rather clueless fellow's mouth, and which sound to me more like desperate rhetoric than a plan of action.


Thanks for your permission, but, I made no "Conspiracyland" type comments, nor were there any in anything I linked to. You & Rodeo dug that stuff up.

As for the UN page you posted: it really doesn't matter if this isn't something the UN does since it wouldn't be legal in the US anyway without federal authorization, and that's not going to happen.

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DJ, what is it with your silly threads?

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2freaky4church1 said:

DJ, what is it with your silly threads?


What is it with your obsessive trolling of me?



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