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poppys

DACA revisited

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-immigration/supreme-court-justice-temporarily-preserves-trump-refugee-ban-idUSKCN1BM24Q

Omar Jadwat, an ACLU lawyer, contrasted Trump’s efforts to keep alive his travel ban with the Republican president’s decision last week to rescind a program that protected from deportation people brought to the United States illegally as children, dubbed “Dreamers.”

“The extraordinary efforts the administration is taking in pursuit of the Muslim ban stand in stark contrast to its unwillingness to take a single step to protect 800,000 Dreamers,” Jadwat said.

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Reply #1 posted 09/14/17 8:01am

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http://www.npr.org/sectio...t-dreamers

Trump: GOP Leadership 'On Board' With Deal Over DACA

September 14, 2017 5:34 AM ET

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer spoke on Sept. 6 about President Trump's decision to end DACA. The two now say they have worked out a deal with Trump on legislation.

Updated at 10:20 a.m. ET

President Trump affirmed Thursday morning that a deal was in the works with Democrats that would protect some 800,000 DREAMers who could face deportation when DACA expires next year in exchange for "massive border controls" and that a border wall would come later.

Trump's remarks went some distance toward clarifying the mixed messages he's been putting out in the form of tweets in recent days. After leading Democrats indicated they were close to a deal to save the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which is scheduled to end in March, the president tweeted Thursday morning that "no deal" had been made.

However, speaking to reporters later Thursday, Trump said: "We're working on a plan — subject to getting massive border controls."


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Reply #2 posted 09/14/17 9:14am

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He's nutz.

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Reply #3 posted 09/14/17 9:40am

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this is a disconnect for those that are mad over DACA being repealed and mad that they want to improve border security. See if we have better security then there will be fewer little kids brought over here and the need for programs like DACA are reduced. (but I get why many are mad...they see them as voters)

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Reply #4 posted 09/14/17 10:44am

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He's nutz.

nutty Networks spun it as he likes making quick deals, so that's the news, really? Everyone should not mention the fu**er for a week and see if he lives.

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Reply #5 posted 09/14/17 11:15am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

this is a disconnect for those that are mad over DACA being repealed and mad that they want to improve border security. See if we have better security then there will be fewer little kids brought over here and the need for programs like DACA are reduced. (but I get why many are mad...they see them as voters)

No, we're mad because we see them as fellow human beings who are being treated like shit, not "illegals"...some people care about others, some don't ...

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Reply #6 posted 09/14/17 11:26am

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jjhunsecker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

this is a disconnect for those that are mad over DACA being repealed and mad that they want to improve border security. See if we have better security then there will be fewer little kids brought over here and the need for programs like DACA are reduced. (but I get why many are mad...they see them as voters)

No, we're mad because we see them as fellow human beings who are being treated like shit, not "illegals"...some people care about others, some don't ...

so then you must support a border wall or at the very least improved security

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Reply #7 posted 09/14/17 11:49am

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I Do NOT support any more of a wall than we already have. Border States are against the wall. There will be gaps, due to geography, no matter what. It is a campaign gift to the base, period.

I DO support the Dreamers right to stay here.


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Reply #8 posted 09/14/17 12:10pm

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Some of trump's base/supporters are losing their minds over trump's comments about a 'Dreamer' deal, yet nothing is concrete yet. One conservative that was interviewed in CNN feels, it's not fair for Dreamers to stay because he believes they take away opportunities from legal American citizens.
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Reply #9 posted 09/14/17 2:00pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



jjhunsecker said:




OnlyNDaUsa said:


this is a disconnect for those that are mad over DACA being repealed and mad that they want to improve border security. See if we have better security then there will be fewer little kids brought over here and the need for programs like DACA are reduced. (but I get why many are mad...they see them as voters)



No, we're mad because we see them as fellow human beings who are being treated like shit, not "illegals"...some people care about others, some don't ...




so then you must support a border wall or at the very least improved security




A wall with Mexico is a waste of money. Trump just said that to rile up the rubes to vote for him. I'm for security at the border(s). I'm also for compassion for hard working people who might be here undocumented, and especially for their children who know nothing of any country besides America
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Reply #10 posted 09/14/17 3:30pm

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jjhunsecker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so then you must support a border wall or at the very least improved security

A wall with Mexico is a waste of money. Trump just said that to rile up the rubes to vote for him. I'm for security at the border(s). I'm also for compassion for hard working people who might be here undocumented, and especially for their children who know nothing of any country besides America

so you agree with me

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Reply #11 posted 09/14/17 8:45pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



jjhunsecker said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:



so then you must support a border wall or at the very least improved security




A wall with Mexico is a waste of money. Trump just said that to rile up the rubes to vote for him. I'm for security at the border(s). I'm also for compassion for hard working people who might be here undocumented, and especially for their children who know nothing of any country besides America




so you agree with me



That Trump lied to the rubes about the wall ??
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Reply #12 posted 09/15/17 4:35am

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Democrats on this issue are no different.
how is this any different to Trump?(see video below)
Sure it's more eloquently phrased, minus racist xenophobic insults.
Its Still the same goal that will result in the same outcome.
Really need a third party

[Edited 9/15/17 4:38am]
"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #13 posted 09/15/17 5:47am

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jjhunsecker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so you agree with me

That Trump lied to the rubes about the wall ??

not sure he lied. there is a un unintentionally funny thing people post that I think quotes some comedian that some go to for political advice that goes something like "it is not a lie if they believe it.." (which is 100% true).

But the funny part is how the likes of barack lied about the ACA and it came out that they assumed his supporters were not smart enough to even know or care...and that seems to be the case.

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Reply #14 posted 09/15/17 8:24am

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Bernie got her on that. Boy do liberals forget.

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Reply #15 posted 09/15/17 8:34am

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Bernie got her on that. Boy do liberals forget.

Like you forgot to write what the hell you are talking about? Thanks for bringing HRC into the DACA thread. Maybe we can get this one shut down too.

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Reply #16 posted 09/15/17 9:06am

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Poppys, she agreed with Trump.

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Reply #17 posted 09/15/17 9:17am

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poppys said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Bernie got her on that. Boy do liberals forget.

Like you forgot to write what the hell you are talking about? Thanks for bringing HRC into the DACA thread. Maybe we can get this one shut down too.



bringing in other high-profile public persons *especially ones like hillary who tried to win the election or barack who was president is not what gets topics shut down... it is when people attack others or when people abuse or overuse the report feature.




it is fair to bring in what others might have done or what their record on such issues was or is...


This topic is about DACA, thus the title "DACA revisited" so that invites discussion on DACA from any reasonable angle. If the OP wanted to limit it to JUST Tump's action to reverse barack's attempt to sidestep the Congress (and he said he wanted to and then said he could and then said he will then he did and then he said he did) then the OP should have made that clear... but even then hillary's views on it are on topic.

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Reply #18 posted 09/15/17 9:20am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Poppys, she agreed with Trump.

Need more info here. Hopefully it has something to do with DACA.

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Reply #19 posted 09/15/17 9:44am

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poppys said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Poppys, she agreed with Trump.

Need more info here. Hopefully it has something to do with DACA.

she said "they should be sent back" that "all that can be" should be sent back! to be "reunited with their family" not even TRUMP goes that far. LOL hillary is to the RIGHT of Trump on the Dreamers issue! Classic!

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Reply #20 posted 09/15/17 9:54am

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Part of an interesting article about DACA and political strategy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/09/15/trumps-top-supporters-are-in-a-full-blown-panic-theyre-right-to-be-afraid/?tid=pm_opinions_pop&utm_term=.99f41109240f

Trump's top supporters are in a full-blown panic. They're right to be afraid.

It is often pointed out that the press is overly obsessed with what Trump voters think. That’s true. But in this case, it’s worth some attention. If it turns out to be true that Trump voters will accept a deal protecting the dreamers, that would suggest that Trump’s nationalism — as defined by the likes of Bannon, Breitbart, White House adviser Stephen Miller and the rest of the “populist economic nationalist” contingent around Trump — might not have quite the pull with his voters that we thought. This is clearly what King and others fear — and for good reason.

Remember, when Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced that Trump would rescind protections for the dreamers, he conspicuously claimed these “illegal aliens” steal jobs from American workers. Bannon has come out for getting them to “self deport.” Miller is privately scheming to undercut any deal to protect them. The “populist economic nationalist” contingent constantly pushes the line that undocumented immigrants are a destructive, invasive, criminal presence — the dreamers included. But Trump yesterday undercut this narrative by tweeting that the dreamers are blameless for their plight and are making positive contributions to American life. What if a lot of Trump voters end up agreeing with him? That’s bad news for the populist-economic-nationalist-snake-oil purveyors.

Will Wilkinson argues that protecting th...be at odds with populist nationalism, because the dreamers are culturally American, and keeping them here does not undermine the nationalist contingent’s vision of cultural nationality. Wilkinson theorizes that those screaming about this deal are really trying to induce Trump to insist on other draconian measures as part of it. That is true: The motive here is also to get poison pills inserted int... away Dems and killing it.

But if Trump were to agree to a deal that is not loaded up with a lot of hateful nonsense, and many of his voters supported it, that would not be insignificant. MSNBC’s Chris Hayes argues that, even if you accept Trump’s victory as fundamentally an assertion of white nationalism, if he, the white guy who is in charge, makes the deals protecting the dreamers, his voters might be fine with it. This would still have horrible implications. But at least it would mean there is not widespread support for carrying out this nationalist agenda by inflicting a humanitarian disaster on this particular vulnerable group, i.e., the dreamers.

That is not what Bannon and his fellow travelers want you to believe. They want you to believe the country is cheering on the enactment of that nationalist agenda and that the only ones objecting are squeamish “elites.” Put it this way: If Bannon is correct and there is widespread support for a nationalism that includes inducing hundreds of thousands of young people who were brought here through no fault of their own to return to countries they don’t even know, then surely all of the primary challengers to GO...ds to back will run on that, right?



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my instinct is that all the dreamers in the program will be safe.

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poppys said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Poppys, she agreed with Trump.



Need more info here. Hopefully it has something to do with DACA.


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Reply #23 posted 09/17/17 10:08am

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Nice try haus. This video is not about children who were born here, aka DACA. Just more HRC hating. Consider who we have as President, not how much you hate her. Y'all are still on the train that left the station, but I get it, ya not from here.

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Reply #24 posted 09/17/17 11:38am

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poppys said:

Need more info here. Hopefully it has something to do with DACA.

What about the children that come over with their parents because their parents force them too? Does she really think kids 5 and 6 travel over here (on their own terms)? That is a big naive assumption and B.S. In most cases, kids come over here because their parents have brought them over here so children OR young adults should not be punished for their parents decision. Some were even infants when they came over here and haven't been in their home country in decades. So what life will they be going back too? A lot of immigrant families are only close with their immediate family once they migrate to a new country.

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mjscarousal said:



hausofmoi7 said:


poppys said:


Need more info here. Hopefully it has something to do with DACA.





What about the children that come over with their parents because their parents force them too? Does she really think kids 5 and 6 travel over here (on their own terms)? That is a big naive assumption and B.S. In most cases, kids come over here because their parents have brought them over here so children OR young adults should not be punished for their parents decision. Some were even infants when they came over here and haven't been in their home country in decades. So what life will they be going back too? A lot of immigrant families are only close with their immediate family once they migrate to a new country.


Agreed. A child born in the U.S or overseas who is in the country for whatever reason should be given the same compassion.
Hillarys views on sending children who came to the U.S, some as young as 5, is vicious.
They need to be protected under the same policy as children born in the U.S.
DACA needs expanding to include these children.
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hausofmoi7 said:

mjscarousal said:



hausofmoi7 said:


poppys said:


Need more info here. Hopefully it has something to do with DACA.





What about the children that come over with their parents because their parents force them too? Does she really think kids 5 and 6 travel over here (on their own terms)? That is a big naive assumption and B.S. In most cases, kids come over here because their parents have brought them over here so children OR young adults should not be punished for their parents decision. Some were even infants when they came over here and haven't been in their home country in decades. So what life will they be going back too? A lot of immigrant families are only close with their immediate family once they migrate to a new country.


Agreed. A child born in the U.S or overseas who is in the country for whatever reason should be given the same compassion.
Hillarys views on sending children who came to the U.S, some as young as 5, is vicious.
They need to be protected under the same policy as children born in the U.S.
DACA needs expanding to include these children.




Was and is are two different things. She isn't the president and not part of Congress,so her opinion in the DACA situation right now will not affect the outcome at this point.
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Reply #28 posted 09/18/17 6:06am

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Nice try haus. This video is not about children who were born here, aka DACA. Just more HRC hating. Consider who we have as President, not how much you hate her. Y'all are still on the train that left the station, but I get it, ya not from here.

DACA is NOT about people born on US Soil to a parent(s) subject to the laws therein; Daca is about people brought to the US (either illegally or who overstayed their time limits) as children.

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Reply #29 posted 09/18/17 6:29am

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In an atomosphere where accusations of racism are hurled at conservatives who believe in border security, it is absolutely "on topic" to point out liberals making similar statements on the subject.

Also, the rules for participation in this forum do not require that participants be directly affected by the topics being discussed to join in. There is no "are you from here" requirement.

Finally, when one chooses to discuss and/or debate political topics in an open forum they must accept that some will disagree and argue. We call this communication, not trolling.

Just sayin'... wink

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