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Skirmishes erupt in Charlottesville Discussion - Part 2

The first heated debate thread has gotten wayyyyy long so I have created this thread to continue the discussion.

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First thread http://prince.org/msg/105/445937


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On the news here, Donald Trump blaming the left for the riots and aying white nazis are innocent and had him shouting "Shut up fake news" to a CNN reporter.

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The Daily Stormer is offline after Google, GoDaddy disable the Neo-Nazi site's account


Neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer went offline on Tuesday, after its domain registration was revoked by GoDaddy and Google, which said the site that was used to help organize the violent weekend rally in Charlottesville, Va., had violated their terms of service.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/te...-1.4247837

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Reply #3 posted 08/16/17 3:50am

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In reply to Horsefeathers post from the other thread:

Horsefeathers:
So arrests have already been made in the NC statue vandalism, but no arrests for the brutal beating of Deandre Harris by white supremacists right by a police station in Charlottesville even though at least one has been identified. Huh. It's almost like symbols matter more than people. The celebration and glee is very telling


I saw the vid where they attacked him with bats. That was a hate crime for sure. That reminds me of the incident in NYC, years ago, where some white guys with bats, chased two Black guys out of their neighborhood, just for walking through their neighborhood. One Blacknguy, died running across the highway trying to get away from them. His attacker went to prison. Those racists in that VICE vid, reminds me of those racist bastards. They want America to become like the old South Africa. What's interesting is that they swear America belongs to them. It rightfully belongs to American Indians, who are descendants of the first and early Native American Indians, who inhabited this land, before it was stolen and called America.

Those white racists have no business trying to play God. Their hate will be the consequence of their karma.
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Reply #4 posted 08/16/17 4:00am

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clapping Take them all down.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/0...index.html

Baltimore removes Confederate statues
By Faith Karimi, CNN

Updated 5:23 AM ET, Wed August 16, 2017
In North Carolina, a woman allegedly toppled a Confederate statue
(CNN)Baltimore removed at least two Confederate statues early Wednesday after a white nationalist rally to protect monuments turned deadly in Virginia over the weekend.

The Baltimore City Council voted unanimously Monday to immediately remove four Confederate monuments, CNN affiliate WBAL reported. The council recommended the Maryland Historical Trust give permission for the removal before it can go forward.

By early Wednesday, at least two monuments had come down. Video posted on social media showed cranes slowly lowering them from their perches.

The removal comes as cities and states are considering taking down Confederate monuments following the clashes at the rally in Charlottesville, which left one woman dead.
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Reply #5 posted 08/16/17 4:41am

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Maybe Gen. Kelly might be the next to go. He didn't look very happy yesterday while Trump was going thru his speel. Kelly might just walk out on his own.

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Reply #6 posted 08/16/17 5:03am

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Maybe Gen. Kelly might be the next to go. He didn't look very happy yesterday while Trump was going thru his speel. Kelly might just walk out on his own.

I hope Gen. Kelly leaves as well as other members of the White House staff and cabinet. People need to have some integrity and realize you work for the first President since Woodrow Wilson to openly support the Klan. The President of the United States is okay with Nazis and their beliefs our country is the laughing stalk of the world. It is sad times for America.

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I am encouraged that *this* was the most liked tweet... ever:

"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion..."




"People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love..."

"...For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." - Nelson Mandela

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Reply #8 posted 08/16/17 6:49am

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clapping Take them all down. http://www.cnn.com/2017/0...index.html Baltimore removes Confederate statues By Faith Karimi, CNN Updated 5:23 AM ET, Wed August 16, 2017 In North Carolina, a woman allegedly toppled a Confederate statue (CNN)Baltimore removed at least two Confederate statues early Wednesday after a white nationalist rally to protect monuments turned deadly in Virginia over the weekend. The Baltimore City Council voted unanimously Monday to immediately remove four Confederate monuments, CNN affiliate WBAL reported. The council recommended the Maryland Historical Trust give permission for the removal before it can go forward. By early Wednesday, at least two monuments had come down. Video posted on social media showed cranes slowly lowering them from their perches. The removal comes as cities and states are considering taking down Confederate monuments following the clashes at the rally in Charlottesville, which left one woman dead. [Edited 8/16/17 4:00am]

highfive They are smart to get that done now. Why wait until their citizens are injured or killed by domestic terriorists?

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2elijah said:

clapping Take them all down. http://www.cnn.com/2017/0...index.html Baltimore removes Confederate statues By Faith Karimi, CNN Updated 5:23 AM ET, Wed August 16, 2017 In North Carolina, a woman allegedly toppled a Confederate statue (CNN)Baltimore removed at least two Confederate statues early Wednesday after a white nationalist rally to protect monuments turned deadly in Virginia over the weekend. The Baltimore City Council voted unanimously Monday to immediately remove four Confederate monuments, CNN affiliate WBAL reported. The council recommended the Maryland Historical Trust give permission for the removal before it can go forward. By early Wednesday, at least two monuments had come down. Video posted on social media showed cranes slowly lowering them from their perches. The removal comes as cities and states are considering taking down Confederate monuments following the clashes at the rally in Charlottesville, which left one woman dead. [Edited 8/16/17 4:00am]


Baltimore mayor will hold a press conference today. Tuning in for that.

I heard a guy interviewed on the news who is protesting taking the statues down. Said he is not a racist or KKK but he wants to preserve his "heritage." If your "heritage" is paying homage to those men who fought to maintain the human slavery of African people who were captured and stolen from their continent - where is the pride in that? These statues are are a direct offense to the African American people living in that community whose ancestors were slaves.

Take the statues down.

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Reply #10 posted 08/16/17 6:51am

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I am encouraged that *this* was the most liked tweet... ever:

"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion..."




"People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love..."

"...For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." - Nelson Mandela

To Sir with Love rose

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Reply #11 posted 08/16/17 7:06am

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First of all - CONGRATULATIONS to all for a thread with nearly 1,000 responses - many of them passionate - and not getting it locked. I think that's great!

Second - To quote the great Maya Angelou: "When someone shows you who they are, believe them".

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Reply #12 posted 08/16/17 7:11am

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The Daily Stormer is offline after Google, GoDaddy disable the Neo-Nazi site's account


Neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer went offline on Tuesday, after its domain registration was revoked by GoDaddy and Google, which said the site that was used to help organize the violent weekend rally in Charlottesville, Va., had violated their terms of service.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/te...-1.4247837


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Reply #13 posted 08/16/17 7:19am

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Lexington KY is next. They have open carry just like Virginia. Estimates are that 80% of protesters were carrying, many with assault weapon. The militias had arsenals superior to that of the police. We now have situations where the police are being faulted for not being able to control crowds that are allowed to carry weapons, fire and firearms indiscriminately. Insanity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...olice.html


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DiminutiveRocker said:

2elijah said:

clapping Take them all down. http://www.cnn.com/2017/0...index.html Baltimore removes Confederate statues By Faith Karimi, CNN Updated 5:23 AM ET, Wed August 16, 2017 In North Carolina, a woman allegedly toppled a Confederate statue (CNN)Baltimore removed at least two Confederate statues early Wednesday after a white nationalist rally to protect monuments turned deadly in Virginia over the weekend. The Baltimore City Council voted unanimously Monday to immediately remove four Confederate monuments, CNN affiliate WBAL reported. The council recommended the Maryland Historical Trust give permission for the removal before it can go forward. By early Wednesday, at least two monuments had come down. Video posted on social media showed cranes slowly lowering them from their perches. The removal comes as cities and states are considering taking down Confederate monuments following the clashes at the rally in Charlottesville, which left one woman dead. [Edited 8/16/17 4:00am]


Baltimore mayor will hold a press conference today. Tuning in for that.

I heard a guy interviewed on the news who is protesting taking the statues down. Said he is not a racist or KKK but he wants to preserve his "heritage." If your "heritage" is paying homage to those men who fought to maintain the human slavery of African people who were captured and stolen from their continent - where is the pride in that? These statues are are a direct offense to the African American people living in that community whose ancestors were slaves.

Take the statues down.

If this is all about "Southern Heritage" than why are White Supremacists from all over America coming to protest the removal of the statues ? What do NAZI flags have to do with the Southern "heritage". It's clear that these protesters view these statues as icons of White Supremacy. So why shouldn't the people who want to take them down ALSO see them that way ?

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Reply #16 posted 08/16/17 7:53am

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DiminutiveRocker said:


Baltimore mayor will hold a press conference today. Tuning in for that.

I heard a guy interviewed on the news who is protesting taking the statues down. Said he is not a racist or KKK but he wants to preserve his "heritage." If your "heritage" is paying homage to those men who fought to maintain the human slavery of African people who were captured and stolen from their continent - where is the pride in that? These statues are are a direct offense to the African American people living in that community whose ancestors were slaves.

Take the statues down.

If this is all about "Southern Heritage" than why are White Supremacists from all over America coming to protest the removal of the statues ? What do NAZI flags have to do with the Southern "heritage". It's clear that these protesters view these statues as icons of White Supremacy. So why shouldn't the people who want to take them down ALSO see them that way ?

Exactly. There are many many many people of all stripes in the South that hate that tag. More African Americans LIVE in the South. We are so tired of being the cliche to kick around. The states rights people are the same ones who want to come to southern states and change what we want. We want the statues down. Only is a perfect example of that.

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here's a great comic strip that expands on those ^^ points...


'takin em down' by ben passmore.

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Reply #18 posted 08/16/17 8:01am

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Quick: Somebody please tell Mueller to hurry up with his investigation before Trump tears this country apart. If we're at this place just 7 months in, what is it going to look like in 12 months? Forget four years...

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jjhunsecker said:



DiminutiveRocker said:




2elijah said:


clapping Take them all down. http://www.cnn.com/2017/0...index.html Baltimore removes Confederate statues By Faith Karimi, CNN Updated 5:23 AM ET, Wed August 16, 2017 In North Carolina, a woman allegedly toppled a Confederate statue (CNN)Baltimore removed at least two Confederate statues early Wednesday after a white nationalist rally to protect monuments turned deadly in Virginia over the weekend. The Baltimore City Council voted unanimously Monday to immediately remove four Confederate monuments, CNN affiliate WBAL reported. The council recommended the Maryland Historical Trust give permission for the removal before it can go forward. By early Wednesday, at least two monuments had come down. Video posted on social media showed cranes slowly lowering them from their perches. The removal comes as cities and states are considering taking down Confederate monuments following the clashes at the rally in Charlottesville, which left one woman dead. [Edited 8/16/17 4:00am]


Baltimore mayor will hold a press conference today. Tuning in for that.

I heard a guy interviewed on the news who is protesting taking the statues down. Said he is not a racist or KKK but he wants to preserve his "heritage." If your "heritage" is paying homage to those men who fought to maintain the human slavery of African people who were captured and stolen from their continent - where is the pride in that? These statues are are a direct offense to the African American people living in that community whose ancestors were slaves.

Take the statues down.



If this is all about "Southern Heritage" than why are White Supremacists from all over America coming to protest the removal of the statues ? What do NAZI flags have to do with the Southern "heritage". It's clear that these protesters view these statues as icons of White Supremacy. So why shouldn't the people who want to take them down ALSO see them that way ?


Agree with both of you. It's about obtaining an all-white America. Many are using the statue removal, as an excuse to promote and hide their racist, divisive beliefs. Celebrating a symbol that represents slavery and the horrific abuses that was involved in slavery, is not honoring heritage, it's honoring hate and physical abuse to humans.
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Quick: Somebody please tell Mueller to hurry up with his investigation before Trump tears this country apart. If we're at this place just 7 months in, what is it going to look like in 12 months? Forget four years...



I agree. Even some international allies are questioning Trump's speech yesterday.
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Lexington KY is next. They have open carry just like Virginia. Estimates are that 80% of protesters were carrying, many with assault weapon. The militias had arsenals superior to that of the police. We now have situations where the police are being faulted for not being able to control crowds that are allowed to carry weapons, fire and firearms indiscriminately. Insanity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...olice.html


[Edited 8/16/17 7:27am]


They need the military to come in and watch these terry. You would think the president would show up at Heather Heyer's memorial and the two state troopers.

Heather's family asked those attending wear purple, her favorite color. smile

***Wear a purple ribbon today everyone if you can.***
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WHERE is Jared Kushner ?? I wonder if HE thinks people carrying Nazi flags and chanting "Jews will not replace us" are "fine people" ???

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WHERE is Jared Kushner ?? I wonder if HE thinks people carrying Nazi flags and chanting "Jews will not replace us" are "fine people" ???

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Great point.

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WHERE is Jared Kushner ?? I wonder if HE thinks people carrying Nazi flags and chanting "Jews will not replace us" are "fine people" ???


Exactly. Ivanka needs to come out and defend her husband.
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The way to cure racists: Prince. woot!

It would be nice...bu I'm not sure it works that way. I grew up going t school in NYC with racist Italians who hated Black people and would beat he shit out of one for daring to walk in their neighborhoods- yet they mainly listened to disco and R&B and funk ! eek

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poppys said:



jjhunsecker said:




DiminutiveRocker said:




Baltimore mayor will hold a press conference today. Tuning in for that.

I heard a guy interviewed on the news who is protesting taking the statues down. Said he is not a racist or KKK but he wants to preserve his "heritage." If your "heritage" is paying homage to those men who fought to maintain the human slavery of African people who were captured and stolen from their continent - where is the pride in that? These statues are are a direct offense to the African American people living in that community whose ancestors were slaves.

Take the statues down.



If this is all about "Southern Heritage" than why are White Supremacists from all over America coming to protest the removal of the statues ? What do NAZI flags have to do with the Southern "heritage". It's clear that these protesters view these statues as icons of White Supremacy. So why shouldn't the people who want to take them down ALSO see them that way ?



Exactly. There are many many many people of all stripes in the South that hate that tag. More African Americans LIVE in the South. We are so tired of being the cliche to kick around. The states rights people are the same ones who want to come to southern states and change what we want. We want the statues down. Only is a perfect example of that.



It's almost like the black people in these communities also pay taxes and are actual humans who (should) get to have a say. Like this is their history, too. Or, you know, they should just stop being so easily offended and acquiesce.
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here's a great comic strip that expands on those ^^ points...


'takin em down' by ben passmore.

This is great. Obviously the ending not portrayed here was positive, they came down. There is more work to do. Many states have Jefferson Davis Highway. Ours runs directly through New Orleans.


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Musicslave said:

Quick: Somebody please tell Mueller to hurry up with his investigation before Trump tears this country apart. If we're at this place just 7 months in, what is it going to look like in 12 months? Forget four years...

I agree. Even some international allies are questioning Trump's speech yesterday.

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To speak on your signature; I believe the majority of the people who voted for him were part of the biggest con in modern American politics. I'd like to believe there's a small minority, (those who are making up his 30% support) who weren't conned and knew exactly what they were getting. I think they just didn't know how far he would go but like Putin, I'm sure they're quite pleasantly surprised at the result of having him in office. It's Christmas in July for racist.

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jjhunsecker said:



2freaky4church1 said:


The way to cure racists: Prince. woot!



It would be nice...bu I'm not sure it works that way. I grew up going t school in NYC with racist Italians who hated Black people and would beat he shit out of one for daring to walk in their neighborhoods- yet they mainly listened to disco and R&B and funk ! eek


I remember that. They chased Blacks with bats. My brother went to look for a job in a predominantly white neighborhood, years ago, and a white lady came out of her house screaming racist comments at him, and telling him to get out of her neighborhood, and then some guys came out their houses chasing him. I remember him telling me how scared he was.
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