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Reply #30 posted 07/10/17 8:14am

SuperFurryAnim
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Prince's music was sexual at time but also the message is usually love. Sex is different when you love someone deeply instead of just getting it on. He had his lets just have sex songs but majority of songs involve love/sex.

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Reply #31 posted 07/10/17 9:38am

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He was lovesexy, get it right.

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Reply #32 posted 07/10/17 3:09pm

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Probably the same way they justify shrimp tacos, mixed fibre clothing and a distaste of slavery. Cherry picking. Ironic being as how many cherries Prince probably picked. razz
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
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Reply #33 posted 07/10/17 3:30pm

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Prince matured and his music evolved over time. He wasn't singing songs about fvcking anymore. The bible says there should be no sex out of marriage. Trust me, there are a lot of christians who had sex before marriage. Don't kid yourself. We are all sinners.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #34 posted 07/10/17 3:31pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

He was lovesexy, get it right.

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^^ lol ^^

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #35 posted 07/10/17 3:32pm

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lust said:

Probably the same way they justify shrimp tacos, mixed fibre clothing and a distaste of slavery. Cherry picking. Ironic being as how many cherries Prince probably picked. razz

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LOL!! lol

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I also love people who are into fitness and work-out, but they are there eating chocolate chip cookies, french fries and pizza! LOL lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #36 posted 07/10/17 3:34pm

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I also have to add........Prince thought that having a sexual experience was like being closer to God. He had some odd views about God and religion, but who doesn't when their hormones are raging and they are 17, right? lol

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Reply #37 posted 07/10/17 3:52pm

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cloveringold85 said:



lust said:


Probably the same way they justify shrimp tacos, mixed fibre clothing and a distaste of slavery. Cherry picking. Ironic being as how many cherries Prince probably picked. razz

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LOL!! lol


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I also love people who are into fitness and work-out, but they are there eating chocolate chip cookies, french fries and pizza! LOL lol




You just described me. That's why I work out. It's pre purchasing pizza credits.
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
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Reply #38 posted 07/10/17 3:56pm

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lust said:

cloveringold85 said:

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LOL!! lol

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I also love people who are into fitness and work-out, but they are there eating chocolate chip cookies, french fries and pizza! LOL lol

You just described me. That's why I work out. It's pre purchasing pizza credits.

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Reply #39 posted 07/10/17 7:24pm

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Sex sells. It always has. It always will.
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Reply #40 posted 07/11/17 3:25am

Dasein

Lammastide said:

Dasein said:


How very Catholic of you to be open to the world around you as it could be a gift! But, it sounds
like you're saying that simply because you recognize who authored Prince's abilities then you are jus-
tified in liking his music, even if some of it was perceived as being "ultimately destructive"; and, be-
cause there is some of his art that is brilliant, then those parts that you find to be indicative of his
"sickness" are reconcilable. Lamma, it sounds like you're cherry-picking here, and that isn't the stur-
diest of arguments in support of your Christanly acceptance of Prince's wantonness. For example:
if what allows you to dig Prince's work is identifying his talent was divinely inspired/given, then can't
we say the results of that work via the talent is also divinely inspired/given? Also, it sounds like
you're saying: "If I'm able to perceive an artists's talents as being god-given, then I will excuse
or at least make an attempt to reconcile pieces of the artist's work as being "sick" with my own
faith." But, how do you determine what is God-given talent? Isn't God giving out talents left and
right to everybody?

And I still have no idea why you find it necessary to frame those pieces of Prince's art that do not
cohere with your understanding in faith as being a "sickness." Well, theologically speaking, I do
understand where you are coming from. But, I'm not a Christian, so what is "sickness" to you is
simply "human" to me, and humanity is not a "sickness."


I'm not sure what to offer you at this point, besides this...

I believe in a Creation essentially good by way of divine hand. I believe in a Creation -- or perhaps more pointedly a humanity -- fallen/broken/sickened (I'm open to many words) by way of a sort of atheistic ennui. I believe human aptitude to be caught in that contention. It should make some sense, then, that I believe the product of said aptitude (e.g. Prince's stuff) to occasionally require discernment around which, or to what extent either, influence is normative. Finally, I believe each of us, albeit subject to the same ennui, is heir to tools and some degree of intrinsic ability to do this discernment. Perfectly? Rarely, I'd guess. Uniformly across us all? Never, I'd guess. Hence my refrain: The onus is on (a given believer) to know and toe that line.

To the bolded quote directly above: I'm not lost on the fact my contribution here is theological and quite personal. But what does the OP's pointedly Christian-facing question beg if not a theological and personal response? Given that -- and I offer this, brother, with zero intended sting -- I feel no particular obligation to your (or anyone else's) non-Christian, moreover non-Lammastide angle on this... though the repartee can be refreshing for a time.

And... I've said enough now. whew I'm personally interested in reading other Christians' responses to the question at hand.

[Edited 7/10/17 19:43pm]


I'm not sure any of this is in direct response to anything I said above. Yet, I'm fine with you saying
you feel no obligation to my non-Christian/non-you angle on this as it is clear that you are wanting to
now retreat into the private sphere as regards to your faith. But, let's not pretend that often what
holds true privately can't be expressed publicly and just like everybody else does who participates in
society, religious people should give an account for their behaviors, claims to/of knowledge, and truths
too.

There is no intended sting here, either, my dude: there is nothing in Prince's music that shows us he
and/or humanity is "sick" without you importing that value into the music yourself. Now, if God told
you the same: "I, too, believe that by way of his gift, a good part of Prince's work offered brilliance
that is worth the task of sifting from those parts that offered little but sickness", then that would be
another thing - and even that would be problematic! - but, until then, I say sometimes, religious
people toe self-created/imaginary lines because they think that's what their God or community wants
them to do when God has said actually nothing about it.



[Edited 7/11/17 10:08am]

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Reply #41 posted 07/11/17 3:33am

Dasein

IanRG said:

Hudson said:

I am not religious and from a logic minded secular there is nothing objective about his music. Anything is fine that doesn't hurt anyone. Although if you are a follower of Christ, I believe that being a fan of Prince's music is living in unrepentant sin and harmful to your walk with God according to your scriptures.

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What part of Jesus' teaching says we cannot listen to music? Jesus' first reported miracle was for a party.

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What part of Prince's music means that merely listening to this means the listener is living in unrepentant sin?

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What scripture says appreciating his truly great art will harm us in our walk with God?

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Appreciating God's creation including what we create from our God given talent is walking with God. For every "Sex MF", there is an "Anna Stacia". For every "Lady Cab Driver" there is "God". For every "Head" there is "The One". For all the raunchy or religious songs, there are the political ones, the frivolous ones and straight out rocky, funky, bluesy etc. ones. There are times when Prince exercised restraint e.g. by replacing "Dance with the Devil" with "Batdance" and times when he did not. However, in this, there are no songs (from Prince or anyone else) that cause me to sin and none that prevent me from seeking to walk with God. Prince's music and his faith (no matter how much he has struggled with it) has brought me closer to God, not further away.

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Just as you apply a logical mind, so do I. By using my logical mind, I discern between fact and fiction and understand that the words of Prince's songs are just words.

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As I said above, I had the same type of trouble with my atheist step father that Questlove had with his Christian parents (albeit without the need to repurchase 1999 so many times).


Well, to be fair, the OP is qualifying what kind of music Jesus' teachings would suggest we could or
couldn't listen to, but I agree with this post: there is no need to reconcile Christian faith with Prince's
art.

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Reply #42 posted 07/11/17 3:58am

IanRG

Dasein said:

IanRG said:

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What part of Jesus' teaching says we cannot listen to music? Jesus' first reported miracle was for a party.

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What part of Prince's music means that merely listening to this means the listener is living in unrepentant sin?

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What scripture says appreciating his truly great art will harm us in our walk with God?

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Appreciating God's creation including what we create from our God given talent is walking with God. For every "Sex MF", there is an "Anna Stacia". For every "Lady Cab Driver" there is "God". For every "Head" there is "The One". For all the raunchy or religious songs, there are the political ones, the frivolous ones and straight out rocky, funky, bluesy etc. ones. There are times when Prince exercised restraint e.g. by replacing "Dance with the Devil" with "Batdance" and times when he did not. However, in this, there are no songs (from Prince or anyone else) that cause me to sin and none that prevent me from seeking to walk with God. Prince's music and his faith (no matter how much he has struggled with it) has brought me closer to God, not further away.

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Just as you apply a logical mind, so do I. By using my logical mind, I discern between fact and fiction and understand that the words of Prince's songs are just words.

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As I said above, I had the same type of trouble with my atheist step father that Questlove had with his Christian parents (albeit without the need to repurchase 1999 so many times).


Well, to be fair, the OP is qualifying what kind of music Jesus' teachings would suggest we could or
couldn't listen to, but I agree with this post: there is no need to reconcile Christian faith with Prince's
art.

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Glad you agree.

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I appreciate that the OP did qualify what kind of music but when Hudson said "I believe that being a fan of Prince's music is living in unrepentant sin and harmful to your walk with God according to your scriptures", I am asking what teaching by Jesus would give him this belief?

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Reply #43 posted 07/11/17 6:48am

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This is what Hudson said without editing.


Hudson said:

I am not religious and from a logic minded secular there is nothing objective about his music. Anything is fine that doesn't hurt anyone. Although if you are a follower of Christ, I believe that being a fan of Prince's music is living in unrepentant sin and harmful to your walk with God according to your scriptures.

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Reply #44 posted 07/11/17 7:15am

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To me it sounds like he op is stating an overall opinion about Prince. An opinion I don't share even to the nth degree. But I'm sure they aren't the only ones who share it. Kind of makes me sad. But whatever.
“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
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Reply #45 posted 07/11/17 7:23am

IanRG

poppys said:

This is what Hudson said without editing.


Hudson said:

I am not religious and from a logic minded secular there is nothing objective about his music. Anything is fine that doesn't hurt anyone. Although if you are a follower of Christ, I believe that being a fan of Prince's music is living in unrepentant sin and harmful to your walk with God according to your scriptures.

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Yes, so? I was not trying to make it seem Hudson said anything different than this including the bolded part.

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Hudson believes that followers of Christ that are a fan of Prince's music are living in unrepentant sin and that this is harmful to their walk with God according to our scriptures. My unanswered question is what in Jesus' teaching in the scriptures leads Hudson to believe this.

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Reply #46 posted 07/11/17 6:28pm

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IanRG, if you don't mind, I'd be interested to know: At which age did you become a Prince fan, and at which age did you become Christian? Also, as far as you recall, was there a point at which you actively deliberated on the compatibility of the two?

Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #47 posted 07/12/17 1:24am

IanRG

Lammastide said:

IanRG, if you don't mind, I'd be interested to know: At which age did you become a Prince fan, and at which age did you become Christian? Also, as far as you recall, was there a point at which you actively deliberated on the compatibility of the two?

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My brother and I started going to Church years before I found Prince's music. I can't say I ever needed to activley deliberate on the compatibility of the two, they always were. I was already mature enough for this not to be a concern as I was already aware of the silliness of the claims that the Rolling Stones and the Beatles "had the devil in them".

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Reply #48 posted 07/12/17 2:36am

ilo

They don't agree with oral sex? Well if anythung was gonna be a blocker it'd be that for me. What's their reason? Prudish fuckers.
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Reply #49 posted 07/12/17 4:27am

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IanRG said:

Lammastide said:

IanRG, if you don't mind, I'd be interested to know: At which age did you become a Prince fan, and at which age did you become Christian? Also, as far as you recall, was there a point at which you actively deliberated on the compatibility of the two?

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My brother and I started going to Church years before I found Prince's music. I can't say I ever needed to activley deliberate on the compatibility of the two, they always were. I was already mature enough for this not to be a concern as I was already aware of the silliness of the claims that the Rolling Stones and the Beatles "had the devil in them".


I was cued to consider with some intentionality from very early. My cousins and uncle (a preacher) had staged an intervention of sorts when they discovered I, at age 5, spent my first allowance pay on Kiss albums. Gene and the gang were apparently "Knights in Satan's Service." neutral

I'm grateful for parents who insisted, contrary to the arguments of both fundamentalist adherents and detractors, that there are wider responses to pop culture that are no less Christian.

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Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #50 posted 07/12/17 8:40am

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Lust, Prince hated Israel.

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Reply #51 posted 07/12/17 1:46pm

ilo

Posts like these allow people to form negative conceptions of religion. At least that's my take on it. It seems to disallow freedom of choice and thought. Dictators do that you know. And bullys. People who need power but are to weak to earn it through respect.
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Reply #52 posted 07/12/17 3:05pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Lust, Prince hated Israel.


thumbs up!
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Reply #53 posted 07/13/17 3:34pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Lust, Prince hated Israel.

How you know?

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Reply #54 posted 07/13/17 3:57pm

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I was raised born again Christian and fell in Love with Prince's music when I was 9. My teen years were influenced by the church and influenced by my favorite artist Prince with albums like 1999, Purple Rain, ATWIAD, Under the Cherry Moon, SOTT and Lovesexy. Did I hear the salaciousness of the lyrics, of course as I am human but always always always I recognized his talent his uniqueness and many lyrics worthy of celebrating and I recognized that even though I was told not to by the church. The church doesn't know everything. Thank God I listened to my own heart.

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Reply #55 posted 07/13/17 7:45pm

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Astasheiks said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Lust, Prince hated Israel.




How you know?



Don't waste your time. He's just my pet troll. lol
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Reply #56 posted 07/14/17 1:13pm

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okay biggrin Did just read on another thread that Prince turned down $10 Million to do a gig in Israel...

So I'm wondering did have something against performing there, maybe scared of terrorist attack or something else?

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Reply #57 posted 07/14/17 6:41pm

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How i justify? i don't, that's how i do it, i don't need to.

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