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Thread started 06/26/17 11:47am

maplenpg

DUP deal with CONservatives UK

So, not only was Theresa May arrogant enough to call an election that she thought she could comfortably win (& didn't) and not only was she arrogant enough to not stand down as she rightly should have; she has now been arrogant enough to 'pay-off' (bribe, give a bung to, call it what you will) the DUP to the tune of 1 billion pounds plus another half a billion in funding. Grubby politics at best. She has now paid out taxpayers money that has mysteriously appeared on the magic money tree that she said didn't exist to keep herself in power. I fear hatred for British politics may yet reach new levels.

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Reply #2 posted 07/01/17 3:20am

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DUP = homophobic

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maplenpg said:

So, not only was Theresa May arrogant enough to call an election that she thought she could comfortably win (& didn't) and not only was she arrogant enough to not stand down as she rightly should have; she has now been arrogant enough to 'pay-off' (bribe, give a bung to, call it what you will) the DUP to the tune of 1 billion pounds plus another half a billion in funding. Grubby politics at best. She has now paid out taxpayers money that has mysteriously appeared on the magic money tree that she said didn't exist to keep herself in power. I fear hatred for British politics may yet reach new levels.

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Reply #4 posted 07/01/17 6:23am

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Guitarhero said:

DUP = homophobic


And that's the least of it.

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Ummm... lol

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https://twitter.com/hasht...OneDayMore

That is hilarious smile smile smile smile I also love this one (from #NotOneDayMore)

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Guitarhero said:

DUP = homophobic


And that's the least of it.

I'm a linguist. The DUP are not entertaining the idea of preserving the Irish language, let alone reviving it. I never thought I'd agree with Sinn Fein but at least they see the value in their language.

http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/41052

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That is hilarious smile smile smile smile I also love this one (from #NotOneDayMore)

DDpEbZpXkAEB9VE.jpg

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Right. lol Yet now we have goons like Boris Johnson and others saying the pay cap should be lifted while at the same time voting in favour of keeping it.

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maplenpg said:

I'm a linguist. The DUP are not entertaining the idea of preserving the Irish language, let alone reviving it. I never thought I'd agree with Sinn Fein but at least they see the value in their language.

http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/41052


!! Crikey, I didn't even know about that. Thanks for the info.

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Reply #10 posted 07/05/17 10:21pm

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maplenpg said:


That is hilarious smile smile smile smile I also love this one (from #NotOneDayMore)



DDpEbZpXkAEB9VE.jpg


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Right. lol Yet now we have goons like Boris Johnson and others saying the pay cap should be lifted while at the same time voting in favour of keeping it.


It is ridiculous. Just show you have a heart Theresa. The country needs some uplifting news right now.
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Reply #11 posted 07/05/17 10:23pm

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maplenpg said:


I'm a linguist. The DUP are not entertaining the idea of preserving the Irish language, let alone reviving it. I never thought I'd agree with Sinn Fein but at least they see the value in their language.


http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/41052




!! Crikey, I didn't even know about that. Thanks for the info.


No problem. I fear the problems with power sharing are only just beginning.
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maplenpg said:


It is ridiculous. Just show you have a heart Theresa. The country needs some uplifting news right now.


Not a chance, she's a Tory.

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maplenpg said:


No problem. I fear the problems with power sharing are only just beginning.


Yeah, fun times ahead.

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Cloudbuster said:

maplenpg said:


It is ridiculous. Just show you have a heart Theresa. The country needs some uplifting news right now.


Not a chance, she's a Tory.


I always find those types of comments interesting. What is the formal definition of a bigot?

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Reply #15 posted 07/07/17 10:32pm

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Cloudbuster said:




maplenpg said:



It is ridiculous. Just show you have a heart Theresa. The country needs some uplifting news right now.


Not a chance, she's a Tory.




I always find those types of comments interesting. What is the formal definition of a bigot?


Squirrel - me and you often share similar core values, but disagree on who is best to enable the country to reach them. Do you honestly think this deal is anything less than a payoff to retain power? Do you think that by standing firm in the 1% pay cap (which has proven that many are worse off now than seven years ago) May is doing herself any favors? Do you think that since the election May has been doing a good job? I genuinely am interested to hear your opinion since the vote. Oh, also would you have preferred it if May had stood down?
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Cloudbuster said:


Not a chance, she's a Tory.


I always find those types of comments interesting. What is the formal definition of a bigot?


Well, isn't that fascinating for you.

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maplenpg said:

SquirrelMeat said:


I always find those types of comments interesting. What is the formal definition of a bigot?

Squirrel - me and you often share similar core values, but disagree on who is best to enable the country to reach them. Do you honestly think this deal is anything less than a payoff to retain power? Do you think that by standing firm in the 1% pay cap (which has proven that many are worse off now than seven years ago) May is doing herself any favors? Do you think that since the election May has been doing a good job? I genuinely am interested to hear your opinion since the vote. Oh, also would you have preferred it if May had stood down?


Hi! biggrin Absolutely I think its a payoff to retain power. Do I like it, no. Is it part and parcel with coaolition politics? Every time. Whether it be cash or policies.

I've never been a fan of May. I had to report to her a couple of years ago, when I first moved into the Public Sector and I never rated her ability. When I went to the leader debate, she was actually quite good, but strangely off camera, but not on it. The opposite of Corbyn.

I'm now in year 5 of 1% pay rise and my wife even longer. We would of course love a proper pay rise, but the bigger question for me is, do we deal with the defecit or kick it down the road again and leave it for our children? We've been doing that since the 60's and its not working. Its getting worse.

Social care is the best example. May came out with a policy that was straight out of a socialist handbook; that better off home owners would pay more than the poor. The result? Labour attacked it and promised to pay everything and the Tories backtracked and kicked the topic back into the long grass.

Our politics (on all sides) is now so short term, no one is willing to tackle the big problems.

I voted for May, but in all honestly, it was simply the best of a terrible bunch. I came closest to not voting at all than ever before, but the defecit and importance of Brexit negotiations overrode my short term preferences.


Brexit is generational, so it's crucial we get it right. But our pathetic politicians are still playing games at our expense. The Tories are still posturing and the Lib Dems and Labour are still in denial over the referendum and risk forcing a bad deal in attempt to reverse it.

So in regards to the question, should the public sector get pay rises (myself included), my answer is yes please, as long as we can also tackle the defecit. Its the noose around our neck. We spend more on interest on borrowing that we pay in NHS wages. For every penny we don't pay down now, the bigger the problem becomes for the next generation.

The NHS want more money. Schools want more money. We want more policing. Better Fire. Less council tax. We want more because we had more 10 years ago. But the result was a £156bn defecit. It was on the never never. Gordon Brown credit card funding.

As a nation, we now seem like spendaholics, and the easy answer is to whip out a another credit card. But at some point, like Greece, we won't be able to make the minimum payment. Whether the answer is riegn in the spending (Tory) or take out a third credit card (Labour) is a whole bigger debate!

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maplenpg said:

SquirrelMeat said: Squirrel - me and you often share similar core values, but disagree on who is best to enable the country to reach them. Do you honestly think this deal is anything less than a payoff to retain power? Do you think that by standing firm in the 1% pay cap (which has proven that many are worse off now than seven years ago) May is doing herself any favors? Do you think that since the election May has been doing a good job? I genuinely am interested to hear your opinion since the vote. Oh, also would you have preferred it if May had stood down?


Hi! biggrin Absolutely I think its a payoff to retain power. Do I like it, no. Is it part and parcel with coaolition politics? Every time. Whether it be cash or policies.

I've never been a fan of May. I had to report to her a couple of years ago, when I first moved into the Public Sector and I never rated her ability. When I went to the leader debate, she was actually quite good, but strangely off camera, but not on it. The opposite of Corbyn.

I'm now in year 5 of 1% pay rise and my wife even longer. We would of course love a proper pay rise, but the bigger question for me is, do we deal with the defecit or kick it down the road again and leave it for our children? We've been doing that since the 60's and its not working. Its getting worse.

Social care is the best example. May came out with a policy that was straight out of a socialist handbook; that better off home owners would pay more than the poor. The result? Labour attacked it and promised to pay everything and the Tories backtracked and kicked the topic back into the long grass.

Our politics (on all sides) is now so short term, no one is willing to tackle the big problems.

I voted for May, but in all honestly, it was simply the best of a terrible bunch. I came closest to not voting at all than ever before, but the defecit and importance of Brexit negotiations overrode my short term preferences.


Brexit is generational, so it's crucial we get it right. But our pathetic politicians are still playing games at our expense. The Tories are still posturing and the Lib Dems and Labour are still in denial over the referendum and risk forcing a bad deal in attempt to reverse it.

So in regards to the question, should the public sector get pay rises (myself included), my answer is yes please, as long as we can also tackle the defecit. Its the noose around our neck. We spend more on interest on borrowing that we pay in NHS wages. For every penny we don't pay down now, the bigger the problem becomes for the next generation.

The NHS want more money. Schools want more money. We want more policing. Better Fire. Less council tax. We want more because we had more 10 years ago. But the result was a £156bn defecit. It was on the never never. Gordon Brown credit card funding.

As a nation, we now seem like spendaholics, and the easy answer is to whip out a another credit card. But at some point, like Greece, we won't be able to make the minimum payment. Whether the answer is riegn in the spending (Tory) or take out a third credit card (Labour) is a whole bigger debate!

Thank you for your response. As I previously stated I think we agree on what needs to be done but disagree on how best to do it. Of course, we all agree that the deficit is too high, but austerity is not the answer IMO. Imagine the public sector gets a pay rise - yes, it will cost the public purse but maybe public workers pockets will be able to loosen a little, maybe they'll spend a bit more, they'll be paying more tax too. In my opinion paying people more will stimulate the economy, not strangle it.

Austerity has not worked. I believe we need more radical solutions but that should not come in the form of privitization. I have an exit interview tomorrow and am leaving a job I love because 1% cannot pay my rent any longer. Nurses, Teachers and Policemen are being lost at a greater rate than ever before because of austerity, the country will be paying a high price unless it invests and, possibly more important, starts to value the people that keep this country running.

To answer your final point, I honestly hope that a new third party rises soon. Macron has done it, I live in hope for a new kind of politics in Britain. Sadly, it seems Blair is desperate to rise from the ashes - he would be the worst result of all.

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Thank you for your response. As I previously stated I think we agree on what needs to be done but disagree on how best to do it. Of course, we all agree that the deficit is too high, but austerity is not the answer IMO. Imagine the public sector gets a pay rise - yes, it will cost the public purse but maybe public workers pockets will be able to loosen a little, maybe they'll spend a bit more, they'll be paying more tax too. In my opinion paying people more will stimulate the economy, not strangle it.

Austerity has not worked. I believe we need more radical solutions but that should not come in the form of privitization. I have an exit interview tomorrow and am leaving a job I love because 1% cannot pay my rent any longer. Nurses, Teachers and Policemen are being lost at a greater rate than ever before because of austerity, the country will be paying a high price unless it invests and, possibly more important, starts to value the people that keep this country running.

To answer your final point, I honestly hope that a new third party rises soon. Macron has done it, I live in hope for a new kind of politics in Britain. Sadly, it seems Blair is desperate to rise from the ashes - he would be the worst result of all.


A good start would be to stop lowering corporation tax and to stop forcing poor people to pay for the mistakes of those who deregulated the banks. Austerity is a con benefiting only those who already have too much wealth than they know what to do with.

http://www.thebcgroup.co....y_V1.0.pdf

It still baffles me that the Tories promote themselves as the party of fiscal responsibility. More baffling is that people still believe it.

http://www.taxresearch.or...-70-years/

And as for Tony Blair...

http://anotherangryvoice....es-by.html
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