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Thread started 06/13/17 1:30pm

Astasheiks

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Whose to really Blame for current Healthcare prices!

I understand Obama trying to help out the uninsured to a degree. But whose to Blame for the outrageous costs? Before Obama and years, you could go to the Doctor with insurance and pay a copay of like $40. I went to the Doctor a few months ago with insurance and still paid $260 for the same type of visit that use to cost $40. So did the insurance companys just decide to stick to the American consumer because of Obamas Affordable Care Act or is Obama to blame trying to insure everybody or are they both messed up (really f'd up)??? All I know is that I'm mad as hell with these prices and with having supposedly insurance!!! mad

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Reply #1 posted 06/13/17 2:32pm

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brack o fucking bama

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Reply #2 posted 06/13/17 2:38pm

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Big Pharma and the medical industry. They'd rather see us all sick - that's how they make their money.

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Reply #3 posted 06/13/17 6:41pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Big Pharma and the medical industry. They'd rather see us all sick - that's how they make their money.

It's easier to just blame Obama, or Hillary for that matter, even if it's a monumental, uninformed, ignorant lie.

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Reply #4 posted 06/14/17 5:52am

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as costs have been going up (in many cases by double digits for years) for years it is clearly a problem with the ACA. And it shows ignorance of the law to say it is greedy insurance companies as they have to pay out 90% of all premiums taken in and that leaves only 10% for all other expenses. WITH NO Means to recoup or adjust from year to year.

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Reply #5 posted 06/14/17 6:13am

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Big Pharma and the medical industry. They'd rather see us all sick - that's how they make their money.

nod And it is A LOT of money. Why does our system cost so much more? Please don't float the Research & Development lie. Why should the medical system be for profit in the first place?

Imagine if water & utilities did not have consumer protections. We control oil prices more efficiently than healthcare.

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Reply #6 posted 06/14/17 6:20am

OnlyNDaUsa

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purplepoppy said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Big Pharma and the medical industry. They'd rather see us all sick - that's how they make their money.

nod And it is A LOT of money. Why does our system cost so much more? Please don't float the Research & Development lie. Why should the medical system be for profit in the first place?

Imagine if water & utilities did not have consumer protections. We control oil prices more efficiently than healthcare.

water is water and there are only so many ways to generate electricity... but health care is an ever-changing thing. Without big incentives to develop new methods, there would be very little deveopement. In fact, I have been told by doctors that they have new tools they can not even make due to the ACA makes it too expensive and limits any way to recoop that cost. No one is going to make stuff at a loss for very long unless they have some other means to cover those costs.

So if we make it so "big pharma" can not make a profit off on a new antibiotic guess what? No more new antibiotics and people start to die from what were once easily to cure infections.

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Reply #7 posted 06/14/17 8:34am

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13cjk13 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Big Pharma and the medical industry. They'd rather see us all sick - that's how they make their money.

It's easier to just blame Obama, or Hillary for that matter, even if it's a monumental, uninformed, ignorant lie.

Why would you expect anything more than the most simplistic and partisan answer from this source ?

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Reply #8 posted 06/14/17 9:52am

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I see a lot different views on this. I sure wish I could go back when George Bush was in office and/or the early years of Obama. Actually the co-pay was Less than $40 compared to $260 now!!! eek Make a person March on this! Start a Movement! Are there any effective means to try to change this crap, mad like contact our Congressman, etc. etc. Any ideas out there???

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Reply #9 posted 06/14/17 9:56am

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There really are only 5 big health companies. Hospitals have to hire lots of extra people because of the extra paperwork from Insurance bs. Medical equiptment is too expensive. We cannot negotiate drug prices like VA.

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Reply #10 posted 06/14/17 10:05am

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jjhunsecker said:

13cjk13 said:

It's easier to just blame Obama, or Hillary for that matter, even if it's a monumental, uninformed, ignorant lie.

Why would you expect anything more than the most simplistic and partisan answer from this source ?

you mean how under obama many insurance companies were either asking for 10-20-30% premium increases just to try to keep up with costs? (remember the 90/10 rule)

Or how many insurance companies were just dropping the exchange plans?

All before the election all back when hillary was assumed to have it all in the bag?

Or back to what I said would happen and damn near all of it did. You can not add loads of people, remove any means to determine the cost of plans, remove any reason to even have a plan, and also reduce cost and increase both access and quality. It is simply not possible.


Oh yeah it was also clear thar barak's plan was for it all to fail so he could get single payer, hillary not losing was key to that... but yes it was part of his plan and he said so himeself (and then lied that he had ever said he wanted single payer)

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Reply #11 posted 06/14/17 10:35am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jjhunsecker said:

Why would you expect anything more than the most simplistic and partisan answer from this source ?

you mean how under obama many insurance companies were either asking for 10-20-30% premium increases just to try to keep up with costs? (remember the 90/10 rule)

Or how many insurance companies were just dropping the exchange plans?

All before the election all back when hillary was assumed to have it all in the bag?

Or back to what I said would happen and damn near all of it did. You can not add loads of people, remove any means to determine the cost of plans, remove any reason to even have a plan, and also reduce cost and increase both access and quality. It is simply not possible.


Oh yeah it was also clear thar barak's plan was for it all to fail so he could get single payer, hillary not losing was key to that... but yes it was part of his plan and he said so himeself (and then lied that he had ever said he wanted single payer)

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I be Damn, OnlyNDaUsa and I agree on something! lol The red bolded!!! razz

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Reply #12 posted 06/14/17 10:35am

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Then blame the companies.

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Reply #13 posted 06/14/17 10:41am

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2freaky4church1 said:

There really are only 5 big health companies. Hospitals have to hire lots of extra people because of the extra paperwork from Insurance bs. Medical equiptment is too expensive. We cannot negotiate drug prices like VA.

So would it take to fix this shyte!?!? Trump should bring the copay back to the way it was during George Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush!!!! eek razz lol

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Reply #14 posted 06/14/17 3:59pm

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My understanding is that excess medical malpractice lawsuits were the first shot that drove up costs. Hospitals then started inflating the prices of certain things and performing tests people probably didn't need but they did so because they were trying to cover their asses in case of a malpractice suit, but also because it was a way to pay for new medical equipment. Insurance companies added to the mix by driving up the costs of malpractice insurance and trying to boost profit margins.

in the end, our healthcare system in the US sucks because everything's run as a for-profit business when healthcare is one thing (of many) whose tenets aren't compatible with a capitalist mentality.

All I can say is, as a self employed person, it's nice to have health insurance that doesn't cost a grip a month simply because i don't have a boss to cover the costs of half of it. So I'm pro-Obeezycare and while I get why people with straight jobs get pissy about the costs, know that it's probably your employer being a dick and not wanting to pay the cost of doing business to offer health care.

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