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TrivialPursuit

🌈 Pulse Nightclub, Orlando, One Year Later 🌈

It was at 2:02am ET, June 12, that Omar Mateen entered the Pulse nightclub and opened fire.

Forty-nine souls were lost that night, the largest terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11, and the largest on the LGBTQ community specifically since 1973 (in New Orleans). Fifty-three people were injured. There were over 200 bullet wounds between the dead, and over a third were shot in the head; most were shot within 3 meters. They were either shot from the side or the front. The guy was very purposeful in his hateful intentions.

It truly hurts me inside to know there is still so much hatred in the world, that people do this shit. This guy was probably gay and raised in a house where that was a bigger abomination than murder itself. He was full of self-hatred and took it out on those he wished he could be like without judgment. The thing is, he could have gone to Pulse and not had any judgment on him. Yet he chose another, more deadly, route. I'm not scared, as much as I hurt for people.

On a recent episode of Iyanla Fix My Life, she talked with six survivors of the attack, and their process (or lack thereof in the last year) of grieving and dealing with their experience. If you can find it, whether you like Iyanla or not, I'd really suggest you give it a look-see. From the get-go, I had tears going. I'm not always the easiest to get crying, but once it starts - watch out. Anyway...

We can never forget these people.

Stanley Almodovar III - age 23

Amanda Alvear - 25

Oscar A. Aracena-Montero - 26

Rodolfo Ayala-Ayala - 33

Alejandro Barrios Martinez - 21

Martin Benitez Torres - 33

Antonio D. Brown - 30

Darryl R. Burt II - 29

Jonathan A. Camuy Vega - 24

Angel L. Candelario-Padro - 28

Simon A. Carrillo Fernandez - 31

Juan Chevez-Martinez - 25

Luis D. Conde - 39

Cory J. Connell - 21

Tevin E. Crosby - 25

Franky J. Dejesus Velazquez - 50

Deonka D. Drayton - 32

Mercedez M. Flores - 26

Juan R. Guerrero - 22

Peter O. Gonzalez-Cruz - 22

Paul T. Henry - 41

Frank Hernandez - 27

Miguel A. Honorato - 30

Javier Jorge-Reyes - 40

Jason B. Josaphat - 19

Eddie J. Justice - 30

Anthony L. Laureano Disla - 25

Christopher A. Leinonen - 32

Brenda L. Marquez McCool - 49

Jean C. Mendez Perez - 35

Akyra Monet Murray - 18

Kimberly Morris - 37

Jean C. Nieves Rodriguez - 27

Luis O. Ocasio-Capo - 20

Geraldo A. Ortiz-Jimenez - 25

Eric I. Ortiz-Rivera - 36

Joel Rayon Paniagua - 32

Enrique L. Rios Jr. - 25

Juan P. Rivera Velazquez - 37

Yilmary Rodriguez Solivan - 24

Christopher J. Sanfeliz - 24

Xavier E. Serrano Rosado - 35

Gilberto R. Silva Menendez - 25

Edward Sotomayor Jr. - 34

Shane E. Tomlinson - 33

Leroy Valentin Fernandez - 25

Luis S. Vielma - 22

Luis D. Wilson-Leon - 37

Jerald A. Wright - 31

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Reply #1 posted 06/12/17 8:21am

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Prayers for Pulse rainbo

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Reply #2 posted 06/12/17 9:44am

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Thank you for such a thoughtful thread, TrivalPursuit.

Caught a few news stories this weekend about the survivors of the Pulse massacre. They were all cry worthy. One of the stories was about a young Pulse dancer who is dealing with survivor guilt and trying to keep going with artistic pursuits.

The tragedy in 1979 in New Orleans you mentioned was an arson at the UpStairs Lounge which killed 32 people. There is a great walk through art installation by Skylar Fein called "Remember the UpStairs Lounge". I have seen it and it is one of the most moving pieces of art I've experienced.

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Reply #3 posted 06/12/17 11:15am

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TrivialPursuit said:

It was at 2:02am ET, June 12, that Omar Mateen entered the Pulse nightclub and opened fire.

Forty-nine souls were lost that night, the largest terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11, and the largest on the LGBTQ community specifically since 1973 (in New Orleans). Fifty-three people were injured. There were over 200 bullet wounds between the dead, and over a third were shot in the head; most were shot within 3 meters. They were either shot from the side or the front. The guy was very purposeful in his hateful intentions.

It truly hurts me inside to know there is still so much hatred in the world, that people do this shit. This guy was probably gay and raised in a house where that was a bigger abomination than murder itself. He was full of self-hatred and took it out on those he wished he could be like without judgment. The thing is, he could have gone to Pulse and not had any judgment on him. Yet he chose another, more deadly, route. I'm not scared, as much as I hurt for people.

On a recent episode of Iyanla Fix My Life, she talked with six survivors of the attack, and their process (or lack thereof in the last year) of grieving and dealing with their experience. If you can find it, whether you like Iyanla or not, I'd really suggest you give it a look-see. From the get-go, I had tears going. I'm not always the easiest to get crying, but once it starts - watch out. Anyway...

We can never forget these people.

Stanley Almodovar III - age 23

Amanda Alvear - 25

Oscar A. Aracena-Montero - 26

Rodolfo Ayala-Ayala - 33

Alejandro Barrios Martinez - 21

Martin Benitez Torres - 33

Antonio D. Brown - 30

Darryl R. Burt II - 29

Jonathan A. Camuy Vega - 24

Angel L. Candelario-Padro - 28

Simon A. Carrillo Fernandez - 31

Juan Chevez-Martinez - 25

Luis D. Conde - 39

Cory J. Connell - 21

Tevin E. Crosby - 25

Franky J. Dejesus Velazquez - 50

Deonka D. Drayton - 32

Mercedez M. Flores - 26

Juan R. Guerrero - 22

Peter O. Gonzalez-Cruz - 22

Paul T. Henry - 41

Frank Hernandez - 27

Miguel A. Honorato - 30

Javier Jorge-Reyes - 40

Jason B. Josaphat - 19

Eddie J. Justice - 30

Anthony L. Laureano Disla - 25

Christopher A. Leinonen - 32

Brenda L. Marquez McCool - 49

Jean C. Mendez Perez - 35

Akyra Monet Murray - 18

Kimberly Morris - 37

Jean C. Nieves Rodriguez - 27

Luis O. Ocasio-Capo - 20

Geraldo A. Ortiz-Jimenez - 25

Eric I. Ortiz-Rivera - 36

Joel Rayon Paniagua - 32

Enrique L. Rios Jr. - 25

Juan P. Rivera Velazquez - 37

Yilmary Rodriguez Solivan - 24

Christopher J. Sanfeliz - 24

Xavier E. Serrano Rosado - 35

Gilberto R. Silva Menendez - 25

Edward Sotomayor Jr. - 34

Shane E. Tomlinson - 33

Leroy Valentin Fernandez - 25

Luis S. Vielma - 22

Luis D. Wilson-Leon - 37

Jerald A. Wright - 31



I watched that episode. Broke my heart.


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Reply #4 posted 06/12/17 1:32pm

PeteSilas

we had some guy from libya attempt an arson at the local major gay club in seattle, he failed and was sent to prison. Guy was a muslim, call me an asshole but I do not think trump is 100 percent wrong about muslims, he just isn't.

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Reply #5 posted 06/12/17 4:40pm

TrivialPursuit

PeteSilas said:

we had some guy from libya attempt an arson at the local major gay club in seattle, he failed and was sent to prison. Guy was a muslim, call me an asshole but I do not think trump is 100 percent wrong about muslims, he just isn't.


Well, you're not an asshole but the opinion is shit.

Without looking it up, can you tell me the religious beliefs of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh? How about Mark David Chapman, David Hinkley, Jeffrey Dahmer, son of Sam, Unibomber, James Holmes, Jared Lee Loughner, any other white people who murdered a lot of folks? Does anyone ever go after their religions? Of course not.

It's not about Muslims, it's about what the U.S. has done to and in countries that are primarily Muslim. I've read the Quran, and I've yet to find anything about killing anyone else for Allah, or infidels, etc. in there. To those people in those countries, the U.S. is the terrorist. 2200+ people have been murdered by U.S. forces, including women, children, plenty of innocents in the longest war the U.S. has been in - the elusive "war on terror". Trump's fear of Muslims is just his white privilege flaring up.

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Reply #6 posted 06/12/17 4:58pm

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It's hard to believe it's been a year. :bluv:

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Reply #8 posted 06/12/17 6:36pm

PeteSilas

TrivialPursuit said:

PeteSilas said:

we had some guy from libya attempt an arson at the local major gay club in seattle, he failed and was sent to prison. Guy was a muslim, call me an asshole but I do not think trump is 100 percent wrong about muslims, he just isn't.


Well, you're not an asshole but the opinion is shit.

Without looking it up, can you tell me the religious beliefs of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh? How about Mark David Chapman, David Hinkley, Jeffrey Dahmer, son of Sam, Unibomber, James Holmes, Jared Lee Loughner, any other white people who murdered a lot of folks? Does anyone ever go after their religions? Of course not.

It's not about Muslims, it's about what the U.S. has done to and in countries that are primarily Muslim. I've read the Quran, and I've yet to find anything about killing anyone else for Allah, or infidels, etc. in there. To those people in those countries, the U.S. is the terrorist. 2200+ people have been murdered by U.S. forces, including women, children, plenty of innocents in the longest war the U.S. has been in - the elusive "war on terror". Trump's fear of Muslims is just his white privilege flaring up.

I don't doubt that, the us has done lots of shit but if you want my opinion, both of the desert religions of judaism/judeo christianity and Islam are pretty much equally as destructive. Why let in people who are so brainwashed to hate people like gays who haven't done anything to them more than likely if they are going to be lighting bombs and shit. Trump is partially right, people hate trump so much they'll never admit it unless more muslims have better luck with their plans. And yes, the us creates them, in another lifetime i'm sure i would have been a warrior fighting the us government myself. I still don't get the sense of letting an asshole in the country who's crazy to begin with, in fact, i knew a guy who knew the guy who tried to light up the gay club here, he says the fucker was always crazy.

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Reply #9 posted 06/12/17 6:39pm

PeteSilas

anyway, i always thought it was ironic that some of these liberal, crossdressing, trump hating, muslim tolerant people would be the same people some of these muslims wouldn't mind tossing off a cliff. It's stupid past the point of being brainwashed. even if 99 percent of muslims aren't violent, it's still too much to be just accepting. anyway, one more thing, I don't really care one way or the other, i'm an indian and think america is already doomed, just pointing out how stupid some people are and i get no pleasure seeing anyone's life wasted for no good reason. those people killed probably give a shit about the politics of why their being killed.

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Reply #10 posted 06/13/17 6:04am

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PeteSilas said:

anyway, i always thought it was ironic that some of these liberal, crossdressing, trump hating, muslim tolerant people would be the same people some of these muslims wouldn't mind tossing off a cliff. It's stupid past the point of being brainwashed. even if 99 percent of muslims aren't violent, it's still too much to be just accepting. anyway, one more thing, I don't really care one way or the other, i'm an indian and think america is already doomed, just pointing out how stupid some people are and i get no pleasure seeing anyone's life wasted for no good reason. those people killed probably give a shit about the politics of why their being killed.

We all know that terrorists of any kind are equal opportunity killers. Do you think Islamic terrorists care if they kill obedient muslims? What part of suicide bomber are you missing? Many are willing to kill themselves in the process.

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Reply #11 posted 06/13/17 12:32pm

PeteSilas

purplepoppy said:

PeteSilas said:

anyway, i always thought it was ironic that some of these liberal, crossdressing, trump hating, muslim tolerant people would be the same people some of these muslims wouldn't mind tossing off a cliff. It's stupid past the point of being brainwashed. even if 99 percent of muslims aren't violent, it's still too much to be just accepting. anyway, one more thing, I don't really care one way or the other, i'm an indian and think america is already doomed, just pointing out how stupid some people are and i get no pleasure seeing anyone's life wasted for no good reason. those people killed probably give a shit about the politics of why their being killed.

We all know that terrorists of any kind are equal opportunity killers. Do you think Islamic terrorists care if they kill obedient muslims? What part of suicide bomber are you missing? Many are willing to kill themselves in the process.

what part of my point are you missing? a lot of muslims hate gays and would stone the shit out them in their part of the world. I just find it ironic that these, I guess they are called millenials, are supporting people that think they should be killed. But, that comes with being young, entitled, stupid, ignorant and myopic. Trump should just let them all in and when this shit happens say "but you wanted them in you idiots".

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Reply #12 posted 06/13/17 1:36pm

Dasein

TrivialPursuit said:

PeteSilas said:

we had some guy from libya attempt an arson at the local major gay club in seattle, he failed and was sent to prison. Guy was a muslim, call me an asshole but I do not think trump is 100 percent wrong about muslims, he just isn't.


Well, you're not an asshole but the opinion is shit.

Without looking it up, can you tell me the religious beliefs of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh? How about Mark David Chapman, David Hinkley, Jeffrey Dahmer, son of Sam, Unibomber, James Holmes, Jared Lee Loughner, any other white people who murdered a lot of folks? Does anyone ever go after their religions? Of course not.

It's not about Muslims, it's about what the U.S. has done to and in countries that are primarily Muslim. I've read the Quran, and I've yet to find anything about killing anyone else for Allah, or infidels, etc. in there. To those people in those countries, the U.S. is the terrorist. 2200+ people have been murdered by U.S. forces, including women, children, plenty of innocents in the longest war the U.S. has been in - the elusive "war on terror". Trump's fear of Muslims is just his white privilege flaring up.


Good points. But, did those men you mentioned commit their crimes in the name of religion? If
they did, I would be the first one to go after their religion, whatever it was. Because a lot of terror-
ist commit their crimes in the name of religion, even if it is a distortion of their faith, we ought to
look at the religion which allows itself to be distorted, right?

This is especially the case since Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all make enough room to justify
violence against another individual/nation in the name of God. I'd feel alot better about the Abra-
hamic religions if they all came out and said: "Hey; we used to condone violence. But, today, there
is no reason for there to be any violence committed in the name of God. If there is violence com-
mitted by a religious adherent, we condemn it." What would happen then is that people like Trump
couldn't justifiably blame an entire religion for acts carried out by knuckleheads and assholes.


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TrivialPursuit

Dasein said:


Good points. But, did those men you mentioned commit their crimes in the name of religion? If
they did, I would be the first one to go after their religion, whatever it was. Because a lot of terror-ist commit their crimes in the name of religion, even if it is a distortion of their faith, we ought to look at the religion which allows itself to be distorted, right?


While some of their crimes were not religious based, the bigger point is that the coincidence of an attacker being Muslim is quite convenient for non-Christians, or just stupid people like Trump & his supporters. It feeds the idea that Islam is a violent religion (they should delve into Scientology if they wanna learn about violence on parishioners or outsiders alike). It's hypocritical of the media to even mention the religion because out of the other side of their mouth, they'll have these quasi-townhall meetings in a studio, and extole the virtues that Islam is not bad, Christianity is not bad. The attackers were extremists who held views that 99% of the faithful in the religion don't hold. They were the outsider in their ideology. So which is it? Were the attacks true Muslims, or were they extremists? Because either way, the name of Islam is dragged into the 9/11 gutter, again.

On both sides, those being the attack and those attacked, the religion becomes the scapegoat. McVeigh's religion was patriotism, which is just as deadly as any other murders justified in the name of a belief system. I just find it interesting that James Holmes or anyone else who shot up a theater, or a school, or whatever is classified as a "lone wolf", "stayed to himself", was "awkward", "an outcast", "didn't have many friends". But if someone has brown skin they're "a Muslim extremist who pledged allegiance to ISIS" etc.

That's my point, in general. The guy who shot up Pulse probably struggled with who he really was, based on his home life and possible religious beliefs. But his religions was never really noted, per se. It seems moreover he was just a flaming racist, with sprinkles of religious conviction. Enough sprinkles to hurt almost 100 people, killing half of that number.

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Reply #14 posted 06/13/17 2:54pm

Dasein

TrivialPursuit said:

Dasein said:


Good points. But, did those men you mentioned commit their crimes in the name of religion? If
they did, I would be the first one to go after their religion, whatever it was. Because a lot of terror-ist commit their crimes in the name of religion, even if it is a distortion of their faith, we ought to look at the religion which allows itself to be distorted, right?


While some of their crimes were not religious based, the bigger point is that the coincidence of an attacker being Muslim is quite convenient for non-Christians, or just stupid people like Trump & his supporters. It feeds the idea that Islam is a violent religion (they should delve into Scientology if they wanna learn about violence on parishioners or outsiders alike). It's hypocritical of the media to even mention the religion because out of the other side of their mouth, they'll have these quasi-townhall meetings in a studio, and extole the virtues that Islam is not bad, Christianity is not bad. The attackers were extremists who held views that 99% of the faithful in the religion don't hold. They were the outsider in their ideology. So which is it? Were the attacks true Muslims, or were they extremists? Because either way, the name of Islam is dragged into the 9/11 gutter, again.

On both sides, those being the attack and those attacked, the religion becomes the scapegoat. McVeigh's religion was patriotism, which is just as deadly as any other murders justified in the name of a belief system. I just find it interesting that James Holmes or anyone else who shot up a theater, or a school, or whatever is classified as a "lone wolf", "stayed to himself", was "awkward", "an outcast", "didn't have many friends". But if someone has brown skin they're "a Muslim extremist who pledged allegiance to ISIS" etc.

That's my point, in general. The guy who shot up Pulse probably struggled with who he really was, based on his home life and possible religious beliefs. But his religions was never really noted, per se. It seems moreover he was just a flaming racist, with sprinkles of religious conviction. Enough sprinkles to hurt almost 100 people, killing half of that number.


I don't think it was a "coincidence" that the Pulse murderer was Muslim. He was Muslim; we cannot
make any effort to say who is a "true Muslim/Christian/Jewish person" other than going by what the
religious adherent claims/does. Said the Pulse murderer:

"Call me Mujahideen, call me the soldier of God." { source }

The context of this claim is wholly within Islam. Even if the Pulse murderer was not really a Muslim
(I think he was, but I'm making a point) but using Islam as a pretense, the fact remains that he
appealed to it - there's a phrase or word for being a divinely inspired violent combatant - what is this,
1017 or 2017? So, I think religion is justifiably the scapegoat here; and what do you make of my
argument that the Abrahamic religions ought to convene and offer a new resolution on the role of
violence as attributed to God? In 2017, you cannot justifiably assert that God condones violence whilst
preaching God is love, peace, justice, etc. And, if the Pulse murderer was conflicted about his
sexuality within the context of Islam, how much more damning of religion can that be? I mean,
historically, how do the Abrahamic faiths view homosexuality anyways?

If you know anybody who identifies as belonging to the LGBTQIA+ community who left their religion
because they were considered a sinner, please raise your hand:

wave

Trump is a goddamn buffoon, and I think banning Muslims from entering into the country on account
of their faith is disastrously prejudiced. But as President, he does have some clout and he could ask
leaders of the various Abrahamic faiths to convene together to make an attempt to reassess and re-
evaluate religious doctrine so that we condemn crimes committed in God's name.

Anyways, I enjoyed reading your post, TP.

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Reply #15 posted 06/13/17 3:36pm

PeteSilas

i don't think we ever got a full picture of the dude, the media took turns saying he'd been radicalized and then that he was on grinder looking for hot cock. we don't know. We had a dude here in seattle, not the guy who tried to burn down the gay club, another muslim. He was a black dude, american but got into islam. He put ads on grinder looking for hot cock too and he met a couple guys at a gay club and drove off with them, shooting both in the back of the head. The world is really getting too overpopulated and confused so these things are going to keep getting worse, i guarantee it. The one common element that goes for most of these killers is a yearning for acceptance of some kind and either they kill to prove they are worthy or they kill because they were harshly rejected. So in that way, the human need to be accepted by the tribe is the culprit as is the modern standards which reject anyone who doesn't fit into the narrow ideals of acceptance by it.

TrivialPursuit said:

Dasein said:


Good points. But, did those men you mentioned commit their crimes in the name of religion? If
they did, I would be the first one to go after their religion, whatever it was. Because a lot of terror-ist commit their crimes in the name of religion, even if it is a distortion of their faith, we ought to look at the religion which allows itself to be distorted, right?


While some of their crimes were not religious based, the bigger point is that the coincidence of an attacker being Muslim is quite convenient for non-Christians, or just stupid people like Trump & his supporters. It feeds the idea that Islam is a violent religion (they should delve into Scientology if they wanna learn about violence on parishioners or outsiders alike). It's hypocritical of the media to even mention the religion because out of the other side of their mouth, they'll have these quasi-townhall meetings in a studio, and extole the virtues that Islam is not bad, Christianity is not bad. The attackers were extremists who held views that 99% of the faithful in the religion don't hold. They were the outsider in their ideology. So which is it? Were the attacks true Muslims, or were they extremists? Because either way, the name of Islam is dragged into the 9/11 gutter, again.

On both sides, those being the attack and those attacked, the religion becomes the scapegoat. McVeigh's religion was patriotism, which is just as deadly as any other murders justified in the name of a belief system. I just find it interesting that James Holmes or anyone else who shot up a theater, or a school, or whatever is classified as a "lone wolf", "stayed to himself", was "awkward", "an outcast", "didn't have many friends". But if someone has brown skin they're "a Muslim extremist who pledged allegiance to ISIS" etc.

That's my point, in general. The guy who shot up Pulse probably struggled with who he really was, based on his home life and possible religious beliefs. But his religions was never really noted, per se. It seems moreover he was just a flaming racist, with sprinkles of religious conviction. Enough sprinkles to hurt almost 100 people, killing half of that number.

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