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Thread started 06/10/17 12:18pm

2freaky4church
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Alfie Kohn: "Politically Correct": The Lazy Bully's Label of Choice.

Education expert Alfie Kohn nails the truth on all this shuck and jive surrounding the use of the term pc:

http://www.alfiekohn.org/...el-choice/

He is so dead on. Imagine someone saying, "I support the troops because I am pc." lol Would never happen. The idiots would say support of the troops is anti pc. dumb.

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Reply #1 posted 06/11/17 5:22pm

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Good one, fair points.

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Reply #2 posted 06/12/17 6:57am

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Agree. Good stuff freaky. The examples of Benjamin Franklin and Buchanan's campaign are on point. This is how we are now getting called "radical liberals" and "liberal facists" to try to shut us up too.

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Reply #3 posted 06/12/17 7:41am

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Read the stuff on his web site, the dude is amazing.

DJ, you duckin this truth?

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Reply #4 posted 06/14/17 6:09am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Read the stuff on his web site, the dude is amazing.

DJ, you duckin this truth?


No, I was ignoring the BS.


From your beloved Huffpost:

"My point is that the political correctness movement has gone way too far. While the original intent of political correctness may have been good (to encourage tact and sensitivity to others’ feelings around issues of gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, physical abilities, and such), the effect of political correctness has been to make everyone avoid these topics altogether — thereby hindering our ability to get comfortable in living and working with those who are different from us. It’s gone so far that political correctness has become a bigger problem than the problem it was intended to address!"

http://www.huffingtonpost...46663.html


"It doesn’t really matter whether the PC Police come from the Right or the Left; the result is the same. These days everyone is so afraid of being called “sexist” or “racist” or “anti-Semitic” or some other career-killing label, that we all tiptoe carefully around diversity issues, and avoid them altogether if we possibly can."

"If we must constantly self-censor any conversation pertaining to race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or physical ability, then we are doomed to perpetuate the very barriers we say we want to overcome."

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #5 posted 06/14/17 8:50am

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Ok lazy bully.

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Reply #6 posted 06/14/17 9:13am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Ok lazy bully.


I do agree that name-calling is "lazy".

I took the time to counter your article with a more intelligent one. You respond with name-calling in the same lazy fashion your article accuses others of.

You know, like lazily labeling any who disagree with you as nazi, fascist, racist, homophobe, islamaphobe, alt-right, etc., etc... That's just lazy.

I'm sure you don't understand irony or hypocrisy but those that do are laughing at you, San Dimas.


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Reply #7 posted 06/14/17 4:10pm

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There's a big difference between PC now and PC back in the 70s or 80s. Now, if you disagree with someone's opinion, even in a reasonable way, you can lose your job, reputation, etc because authoritarian (usually) left wing folks take to the internet to try to ruin the lives of the people they disagree with. I honestly understand why right wing folks would be antagonistic to people like that. If anything, the (usually) millenial thought police created that sort of environment by being so antagonistic to anyone they disagree with. So while I agree with some of what they say, their methods suck and it poisons what could otherwise be a good message. They're hurting their own causes by being so extreme.

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"usually left" lol

The trend to use social media to exact revenge or impact businesses seems pretty evenly spread to me. Let's revisit this again in December when people start going off the rails about a coffee chain's holiday cups or some other businesses' egregious use of "happy holidays." lol

There's plenty of offense to go around.
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Reply #9 posted 06/15/17 7:32am

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Alfie made the point that the right has pc all through the culture. Suppression is sometimes worse than blatant censorship.

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Reply #10 posted 06/15/17 8:04am

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Keep On Duckin'

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #11 posted 06/15/17 8:24am

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Horsefeathers said:

"usually left" lol The trend to use social media to exact revenge or impact businesses seems pretty evenly spread to me. Let's revisit this again in December when people start going off the rails about a coffee chain's holiday cups or some other businesses' egregious use of "happy holidays." lol There's plenty of offense to go around.


I didn't say that right leaning folks were completely clean of any of that, but that it tends to be a more left wing thing to take to the internet and try to destroy people because they don't believe in more inclusive policies, or because they won't write black lives matter on a coffee cup. Do you disagree? Most of the campaigns I see on Twitter or via blogs center around a left wing mob antagonizing someone they disagree with. So my evidence is anecdotal, but if you have some examples you'd care to bring up, I'd like to hear them.

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You don't see it because it is your side. Antifa use right wing tactics.

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Yes, I disagree that it's primarily one-sided.
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2freaky4church1 said:

You don't see it because it is your side. Antifa use right wing tactics.


It's not my side, I'm a left-leaning independent. Antifa is a left wing organization, so.....But I'm not completely convinced that they aren't some paid-for group that just goes out and does stupid shit. lol

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Yes, I disagree that it's primarily one-sided.


Okay, do you have some examples then? A lot of the examples I can think of of right wing people getting bent out of shape over things don't generally involve smear campaigns and trying to ruin someone's life or career, they usually just pout publicly and leave it at that. Are there right wing examples of trying to ruin someone's life via the press/internet that I'm missing?

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They don't have to because they dominate the poltiical culture.

What about the kerfuffle with Kathy Griffin, Ceaser?

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guitarslinger44 said:



2freaky4church1 said:


You don't see it because it is your side. Antifa use right wing tactics.




It's not my side, I'm a left-leaning independent. Antifa is a left wing organization, so.....But I'm not completely convinced that they aren't some paid-for group that just goes out and does stupid shit. lol




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Yes, I disagree that it's primarily one-sided.


Okay, do you have some examples then? A lot of the examples I can think of of right wing people getting bent out of shape over things don't generally involve smear campaigns and trying to ruin someone's life or career, they usually just pout publicly and leave it at that. Are there right wing examples of trying to ruin someone's life via the press/internet that I'm missing?



Apparently. I'm sure if you're really interested, you can find some. If you decide it's just not a Thing, that's ok too.
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2freaky4church1 said:

They don't have to because they dominate the poltiical culture.

What about the kerfuffle with Kathy Griffin, Ceaser?



Who dominates political culture?

As far as I know, it was CNN (a left leaning network) that decided to fire Griffin, she didn't get fired because there was a massive public outcry demanding she be fired. To be fair, I don't think she should have been fired, though I think her "joke" was poorly done.

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guitarslinger44 said:


Okay, do you have some examples then? A lot of the examples I can think of of right wing people getting bent out of shape over things don't generally involve smear campaigns and trying to ruin someone's life or career, they usually just pout publicly and leave it at that. Are there right wing examples of trying to ruin someone's life via the press/internet that I'm missing?

Apparently. I'm sure if you're really interested, you can find some. If you decide it's just not a Thing, that's ok too.


You made the claim that it's not left dominated and I've asked you twice to back that claim up, which you haven't done. It's not my job to prove your points for you. If you're not interested in having a conversation then why keep responding? shrug

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Reply #18 posted 06/15/17 1:46pm

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Dude, you yourself said you were presenting anecdotal evidence. Hence the anecdotal reply. But ok, fine, whatever. Here's an example of a conservative person who frequently dispatches her many minions to negatively hit business reviews and other such cyber behavior for the sake of her personal grievances. I suppose you can think this is an outlier. Or not. But she's not.

https://www.activistmommyofficial.com
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Horsefeathers said:

Dude, you yourself said you were presenting anecdotal evidence. Hence the anecdotal reply. But ok, fine, whatever. Here's an example of a conservative person who frequently dispatches her many minions to negatively hit business reviews and other such cyber behavior for the sake of her personal grievances. I suppose you can think this is an outlier. Or not. But she's not. https://www.activistmommyofficial.com


That's a little more like it. I guess I meant anecdotal in the sense that I didn't post any links, but I can if you want to read up on some of the situations. I mean things like Dr.Jordan Peterson being harassed endlessly and almost losing his job because he disagreed with a law in Toronto that would legislate what pronouns someone would have to use, Gamergate, etc. stuff like that that have been mass campaigns of people trying to purposely fuck over folks who disagreed with them; and in general when anyone questions things like the BLM movement or Islam with reasonable questions, they're told they're racist/islamophobic/etc.

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guitarslinger44 said:



Horsefeathers said:


Dude, you yourself said you were presenting anecdotal evidence. Hence the anecdotal reply. But ok, fine, whatever. Here's an example of a conservative person who frequently dispatches her many minions to negatively hit business reviews and other such cyber behavior for the sake of her personal grievances. I suppose you can think this is an outlier. Or not. But she's not. https://www.activistmommyofficial.com


That's a little more like it. I guess I meant anecdotal in the sense that I didn't post any links, but I can if you want to read up on some of the situations. I mean things like Dr.Jordan Peterson being harassed endlessly and almost losing his job because he disagreed with a law in Toronto that would legislate what pronouns someone would have to use, Gamergate, etc. stuff like that that have been mass campaigns of people trying to purposely fuck over folks who disagreed with them; and in general when anyone questions things like the BLM movement or Islam with reasonable questions, they're told they're racist/islamophobic/etc.



I'm not even disagreeing that this is a thing. My only dispute is that it seems to be pretty evenly distributed. On the conservative side, it seems to be the typically ever offended Jesus brigade. And there are lots of them, and they absolutely do engage in cyber stalkery with intent to take down "the devil" (loosely interpreted as "anyone who does not share my world view") to a significant degree. Anecdotal source: entire family of offended Jesus brigade who networks far and wide.
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Horsefeathers said:

guitarslinger44 said:


That's a little more like it. I guess I meant anecdotal in the sense that I didn't post any links, but I can if you want to read up on some of the situations. I mean things like Dr.Jordan Peterson being harassed endlessly and almost losing his job because he disagreed with a law in Toronto that would legislate what pronouns someone would have to use, Gamergate, etc. stuff like that that have been mass campaigns of people trying to purposely fuck over folks who disagreed with them; and in general when anyone questions things like the BLM movement or Islam with reasonable questions, they're told they're racist/islamophobic/etc.

I'm not even disagreeing that this is a thing. My only dispute is that it seems to be pretty evenly distributed. On the conservative side, it seems to be the typically ever offended Jesus brigade. And there are lots of them, and they absolutely do engage in cyber stalkery with intent to take down "the devil" (loosely interpreted as "anyone who does not share my world view") to a significant degree. Anecdotal source: entire family of offended Jesus brigade who networks far and wide.


I didn't think anyone took the jesus brigade seriously anymore. Fair enough, and good to know.

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