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U.S.-Led Airstrikes in Syria Kill 100+ Civilians, Including 47 Children

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In Syria, a monitoring group says U.S.-led airstrikes killed more than 100 civilians—including 47 children—on Thursday and Friday in the ISIS-held town of Al Mayadeen in eastern Syria. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says the two rounds of strikes targeted the families of ISIS fighters and that the vast majority of the victims were civilian women and their children. The U.S.-led coalition has acknowledged launching the airstrikes on the town.
"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #1 posted 06/01/17 8:11pm

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As the U.S. Ramps Up Airstrikes on ISIS, Are Syrian Civilians Paying the Price?
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Reply #2 posted 06/01/17 8:35pm

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I have to ask the obvious. Knowing that IS controls the town, and knowing that coalition forces will be targeting the terrorists, why don't the civilians flee? Sad sad

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Reply #3 posted 06/01/17 9:59pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

I have to ask the obvious. Knowing that IS controls the town, and knowing that coalition forces will be targeting the terrorists, why don't the civilians flee? Sad sad

They should check into a Holiday Inn in a neighboring city. I really don't know what they are thinking?

Matthew 5:38-39
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Reply #4 posted 06/02/17 3:58am

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Pokeno4Money said:


I have to ask the obvious. Knowing that IS controls the town, and knowing that coalition forces will be targeting the terrorists, why don't the civilians flee? Sad sad



They should check into a Holiday Inn in a neighboring city. I really don't know what they are thinking?


I know, right. They can always try to leave the country altogether and become refugees, as we all know refugees are welcome all over the world with open arms.
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Reply #5 posted 06/02/17 4:19am

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13cjk13 said:

Pokeno4Money said:

I have to ask the obvious. Knowing that IS controls the town, and knowing that coalition forces will be targeting the terrorists, why don't the civilians flee? Sad sad

They should check into a Holiday Inn in a neighboring city. I really don't know what they are thinking?

says the person that loves that Kathy griffin photo...


But really it is sad and all and you know ALL isis ARE Civilians and some are children. Some as young as 5 have been seen murdering people so Maybe not so sad?

and war is hell this is what asked for and this is what they should have been getting all along. Civilians die in war, children die in war. This was an enemy stronghold and would be a legit target in any war.



There is no time in this kind of theater to wait until it is only combatants. and killing those 100 likely saved lives... but you and some of the others SEEM to rather ISIS just do whatever they like.

If the story was "Isis kills 100 including 47 children" I bet neither you nor hausofmoi7 would say anything...

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Reply #6 posted 06/02/17 5:09am

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13cjk13 said:

Pokeno4Money said:

I have to ask the obvious. Knowing that IS controls the town, and knowing that coalition forces will be targeting the terrorists, why don't the civilians flee? Sad sad

They should check into a Holiday Inn in a neighboring city. I really don't know what they are thinking?


Or maybe all your Hollywood friends and connections can get them movie roles in .... what's your country again?

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Reply #7 posted 06/02/17 5:27am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



13cjk13 said:




Pokeno4Money said:


I have to ask the obvious. Knowing that IS controls the town, and knowing that coalition forces will be targeting the terrorists, why don't the civilians flee? Sad sad



They should check into a Holiday Inn in a neighboring city. I really don't know what they are thinking?




br />and war is hell this is what asked for and this is what they should have been getting all along. Civilians die in war, children die in war. This was an enemy stronghold and would be a legit target in any war.






This is where you become indistinguishable from ISIS and its ideology.
You believe killing people including children is just a part of achieving your end goal.
It's repulsive. Your argument and belief may even be sociopathic.


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Reply #8 posted 06/02/17 5:45am

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hausofmoi7 said:

This is where you become indistinguishable from ISIS and its ideology. You believe killing people including children is just a part of achieving your end goal. It's repulsive. Your argument and belief may even be sociopathic. . [Edited 6/2/17 5:31am]


And this is where YOU distinguish yourself as a supporter of Islamic terrorists, comparing terrorist targeting of innocent civilians (including children) to the civilized countries targeting terrorists that intentionally use innocent civilians as shields.

If you truly care so damn much about the civilians in Syria, tell your terrorist friends to get the hell out of residential neighborhoods. Tell them to stop taking over entire towns as if they're at war with the people who live there.


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hausofmoi7 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

br />and war is hell this is what asked for and this is what they should have been getting all along. Civilians die in war, children die in war. This was an enemy stronghold and would be a legit target in any war.

This is where you become indistinguishable from ISIS and its ideology. You believe killing people including children is just a part of achieving your end goal. It's repulsive. Your argument and belief may even be sociopathic. . [Edited 6/2/17 5:31am]

that is a... statement lacking in truth....not what I said. But I am not shocked you misrepresented it.
What I said was in war people are killed in nearly every war that includes innocent people. It is odd you would say stating something that is true was sociopathic... I am not saying I am not one...just that there is no connection to my post.

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Reply #10 posted 06/02/17 6:06am

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We are getting to a point in which doubting the morality of killing civilians makes you a terrorist friend in the eyes of some people... I really can't understand what's happening to the world...

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Silvertongue7 said:

We are getting to a point in which doubting the morality of killing civilians makes you a terrorist friend in the eyes of some people... I really can't understand what's happening to the world...


Tell us another way to defeat IS. You can't, because there is no other way ... not without the Muslim world and those in the Middle East doing it themselves. Military targeting of the enemy is the only way, it worked every other time in global history.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



hausofmoi7 said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:



br />and war is hell this is what asked for and this is what they should have been getting all along. Civilians die in war, children die in war. This was an enemy stronghold and would be a legit target in any war.




This is where you become indistinguishable from ISIS and its ideology. You believe killing people including children is just a part of achieving your end goal. It's repulsive. Your argument and belief may even be sociopathic. . [Edited 6/2/17 5:31am]



that is a... statement lacking in truth....not what I said. But I am not shocked you misrepresented it.
What I said was in war people are killed in nearly every war that includes innocent people. It is odd you would say stating something that is true was sociopathic...


Again, you are making the argument that killing innocent people is justifiable.
That is what ISIS does.
What your saying is truly sociopathic.
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Silvertongue7 said:

We are getting to a point in which doubting the morality of killing civilians makes you a terrorist friend in the eyes of some people... I really can't understand what's happening to the world...

wait now... no one (certainly not myself) said it was in any way okay or just to kill non-combatants (they are all civilians) much less non-combative children. (some ARE combatants and are 100% legitimate targets--at least according to Barack).


And the distinction you may have not understood (and one that hausofmoi7 seems to not care about) is that the non-combatants were not targeted.

What hausofmoi7 seems to be saying is that ISIS should not ever be attacked if there is any chance of there being any non-combatants that could also be killed. And that is where hausofmoi7 seems to cross over into showing support for ISIS.

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Reply #14 posted 06/02/17 6:22am

Silvertongue7

Pokeno4Money said:

Silvertongue7 said:

We are getting to a point in which doubting the morality of killing civilians makes you a terrorist friend in the eyes of some people... I really can't understand what's happening to the world...


Tell us another way to defeat IS. You can't, because there is no other way ... not without the Muslim world and those in the Middle East doing it themselves. Military targeting of the enemy is the only way, it worked every other time in global history.

It's working so well that thirty years of military intervention (and many more years of political intervention) in the Middle East have brought peace to the area.

It's working so well that the relatives of the people who were killed are going to realise that we do it for their own good and forgive us, without ever considering joining ISIS or the group that replaces them in the future.

It's working so well that there aren't any disenfrachised young muslim men living in the West right now who read about how little we care for the lives of middle easter civilian and moves them a step closer to becoming radicals and planning the next Manchester.

And it is working so well that I am now expecting to be called a terrorist because I think that maybe, just maybe, it is time to stop killing children and pretend there's no other way.

It is, indeed, working amazingy well.

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Reply #15 posted 06/02/17 6:23am

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hausofmoi7 said:

Again, you are making the argument that killing innocent people is justifiable. That is what ISIS does. What your saying is truly sociopathic.


Again, you fail to admit the TARGETING of innocent civilians by terrorists is not the same as the good guys targeting terrorists who happen to be using civilians as shields.

This is what terrorist sympathizers do, criticize the good guys for trying to stop the bad guys. Pathetic.

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Silvertongue7 said:

It's working so well that thirty years of military intervention (and many more years of political intervention) in the Middle East have brought peace to the area.

It's working so well that the relatives of the people who were killed are going to realise that we do it for their own good and forgive us, without ever considering joining ISIS or the group that replaces them in the future.

It's working so well that there aren't any disenfrachised young muslim men living in the West right now who read about how little we care for the lives of middle easter civilian and moves them a step closer to becoming radicals and planning the next Manchester.

And it is working so well that I am now expecting to be called a terrorist because I think that maybe, just maybe, it is time to stop killing children and pretend there's no other way.

It is, indeed, working amazingy well.


I was talking about all the prior wars. WWII, Korea, Nam, Gulf War, Saddam, etc.

I'm sure your country has engaged in wars it won with military strikes.

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Reply #17 posted 06/02/17 6:27am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Silvertongue7 said:

We are getting to a point in which doubting the morality of killing civilians makes you a terrorist friend in the eyes of some people... I really can't understand what's happening to the world...

wait now... no one (certainly not myself) said it was in any way okay or just to kill non-combatants (they are all civilians) much less non-combative children. (some ARE combatants and are 100% legitimate targets--at least according to Barack).


And the distinction you may have not understood (and one that hausofmoi7 seems to not care about) is that the non-combatants were not targeted.

What hausofmoi7 seems to be saying is that ISIS should not ever be attacked if there is any chance of there being any non-combatants that could also be killed. And that is where hausofmoi7 seems to cross over into showing support for ISIS.

I do understand the distinction and my comment had nothing to do with what you wrote. But the fact remains that civilians were killed. Apparently because were too stupid to flee the aera, according to another poster.

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Reply #18 posted 06/02/17 6:30am

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Silvertongue7 said:

I do understand the distinction and my comment had nothing to do with what you wrote. But the fact remains that civilians were killed. Apparently because were too stupid to flee the aera, according to another poster.


Stop with the false accusations. I asked a question, nobody has given me a logical answer ... just stupid, snide responses.

The way most sensible people see it, if they find themselves in a similar situation there's only one logical option:

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Reply #19 posted 06/02/17 6:31am

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Pokeno4Money said:

Silvertongue7 said:

It's working so well that thirty years of military intervention (and many more years of political intervention) in the Middle East have brought peace to the area.

It's working so well that the relatives of the people who were killed are going to realise that we do it for their own good and forgive us, without ever considering joining ISIS or the group that replaces them in the future.

It's working so well that there aren't any disenfrachised young muslim men living in the West right now who read about how little we care for the lives of middle easter civilian and moves them a step closer to becoming radicals and planning the next Manchester.

And it is working so well that I am now expecting to be called a terrorist because I think that maybe, just maybe, it is time to stop killing children and pretend there's no other way.

It is, indeed, working amazingy well.


I was talking about all the prior wars. WWII, Korea, Nam, Gulf War, Saddam, etc.

I'm sure your country has engaged in wars it won with military strikes.

Explain what the last three that you mentioned achieved... And not that you'll understand, but there were only losers in the last war that my country was involved in.

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Reply #20 posted 06/02/17 6:34am

Silvertongue7

Pokeno4Money said:

Silvertongue7 said:


Stop with the false accusations. I asked a question, nobody has given me a logical answer ... just stupid, snide responses.

The way most sensible people see it, if they find themselves in a similar situation there's only one logical option:

get-out-20172203.jpg











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Has it crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe, they can't?

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hausofmoi7 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

that is a... statement lacking in truth....not what I said. But I am not shocked you misrepresented it.
What I said was in war people are killed in nearly every war that includes innocent people. It is odd you would say stating something that is true was sociopathic...

Again, you are making the argument that killing innocent people is justifiable.


Well it is... but that is not even the point you THINK i am making. I am just saying it happens.


That is what ISIS does.


TARGET innocent people... these deaths in this strike are collateral damage.


What your saying is truly sociopathic.


stating a fact is sociopathic ?

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Reply #22 posted 06/02/17 7:06am

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Pokeno4Money said:

13cjk13 said:

They should check into a Holiday Inn in a neighboring city. I really don't know what they are thinking?


Or maybe all your Hollywood friends and connections can get them movie roles in .... what's your country again?

The United States. You know, the country that the orange cunt is systematically destroying. How would movie roles help them out? God Bless Kathy Griffin and try not being jealous about my Hollywood job, it seems to be eating you up inside. You'll get out of that darn basement one day!

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Reply #23 posted 06/02/17 8:07am

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Silvertongue7 said:

Pokeno4Money said:


Stop with the false accusations. I asked a question, nobody has given me a logical answer ... just stupid, snide responses.

The way most sensible people see it, if they find themselves in a similar situation there's only one logical option:

get-out-20172203.jpg

Has it crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe, they can't?



Oh really? So they are no longer allowing Syrians to leave the country, like the millions that have already left? Well I guess the Syrian refugee crisis is over, all other countries can have a great big sigh of relief!

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Terrible, but not a partisan issue as it was also terrible when this kind of thing happened under Obama, Bush, Clinton and old Bush. Apparently the republicans AND the democrats are fine with "collateral damage".

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #25 posted 06/02/17 8:43am

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Silvertongue7 said:

13cjk13 said:



Pokeno4Money said:


I have to ask the obvious. Knowing that IS controls the town, and knowing that coalition forces will be targeting the terrorists, why don't the civilians flee? Sad sad



They should check into a Holiday Inn in a neighboring city. I really don't know what they are thinking?


I know, right. They can always try to leave the country altogether and become refugees, as we all know refugees are welcome all over the world with open arms.

Especially in the US now that Trump is president. He would never refuse people from Iraq and Syria entry to the land of the free...
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Reply #26 posted 06/02/17 8:49am

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Pokeno4Money said:


I was talking about all the prior wars. WWII, Korea, Nam, Gulf War, Saddam, etc.

I'm sure your country has engaged in wars it won with military strikes.

Explain what the last three that you mentioned achieved... And not that you'll understand, but there were only losers in the last war that my country was involved in.

He can't. He's not interested in history, only the present and the future.

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Reply #27 posted 06/02/17 8:50am

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Silvertongue7 said:

Has it crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe, they can't?



Oh really? So they are no longer allowing Syrians to leave the country, like the millions that have already left? Well I guess the Syrian refugee crisis is over, all other countries can have a great big sigh of relief!

I genuinely mean this - I really hope that America doen't enter into a war where you are forced to flee the country for your life. Imagine for one second what that would be like.

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Reply #28 posted 06/02/17 8:53am

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And now for a serious answer: IS has a habit of killing people who are trying to flee. THAT's why people are there. They are trapped. And people sitting comfortably behind a keyboard should be very careful before making judgements about what's going on in Syria...
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Reply #29 posted 06/02/17 9:11am

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NorthC said:

And now for a serious answer: IS has a habit of killing people who are trying to flee. THAT's why people are there. They are trapped. And people sitting comfortably behind a keyboard should be very careful before making judgements about what's going on in Syria...

I do believe that ISIS (like Hamas and other terror groups) intentionally puts innocent people in harm's way as either a human shield or as a means of gaining poltical sympathy when they are killed.

That is a concern but that must not be used as a reason not to attack. (it should be considered but it is not in and of itself a good enough reason to not wage war).

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