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Reply #30 posted 06/02/17 12:26pm

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Reply #31 posted 06/05/17 6:37pm

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Lust, there's nothing in that report that says the European Jews are from the original Hebrews. It says middle east which doesn't mean a thing. The original hebrews were in Greece, Rome, Egypt.


European Jews are Jews "in name only". In reality, they are Gentiles.

The real Jews are the tribe of Judah [hence how the words "jude" & "jew" came about], one of the 12 tribes of Jacob/Israel. Jacob, Issac, & Abraham are directly from the bloodline of Shem.

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Reply #32 posted 06/05/17 6:42pm

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Bound to be pushback. Then again there's also the study that I linked to that took place 6 years after his book was published, that demonstrates that yes, Jews from Europe have their origins in the Levant. DNA doesn't lie. But hey, you can ignore that and focus on whatever supports your own narrative. Fuck though. I wish you white Europeans would have been as happy to accept Jews as your own for all those centuries you were persecuting us. You know, that treatment that kept alive the desire for self determination and led to the wish for return. Zionism. So if Zionism is so awful, best you look to your ancestors. 😉

MEMO: Zionism is awful! Zionism is a right-wing Jewish version of white supremacy.

I'm against Zionism equally as much as I'm against white supremacy, black supremacy, and all racial supremacies in general.

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Reply #33 posted 06/05/17 7:04pm

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TonyVanDam said:

lust said:

Bound to be pushback. Then again there's also the study that I linked to that took place 6 years after his book was published, that demonstrates that yes, Jews from Europe have their origins in the Levant. DNA doesn't lie. But hey, you can ignore that and focus on whatever supports your own narrative. Fuck though. I wish you white Europeans would have been as happy to accept Jews as your own for all those centuries you were persecuting us. You know, that treatment that kept alive the desire for self determination and led to the wish for return. Zionism. So if Zionism is so awful, best you look to your ancestors. 😉

MEMO: Zionism is awful! Zionism is a right-wing Jewish version of white supremacy.

I'm against Zionism equally as much as I'm against white supremacy, black supremacy, and all racial supremacies in general.

That's a strawman definition and whilst it may apply to some zionists, does not define zionsim. Those zionists who do have those traits disgust me as much as they do you.

Zionism just means the desire for self determination in the indigenous homeland of the jewish people. So in fact one could argue that Anti Zionsim (the belief that Jews have no right to self determination) is a position of racial supremacy. You can debate the ligitimacy of that indigenous historicty all you like but zionism does not equate to Jewish supremacy. If however you are determined to define it that way, then by your definition, I am not a zionist and I don't know any zionists amongst my jewish Israel supporting friends. So getting caught up on labels will prevent you from understanding what people actually think.

I've lived in Israel and marched for left wing peace movements with other Israelis who support Israel's right to exist (zionists) who campaign for Palestinian rights and volunteer and work with Palestinian organisations and demonstrate againts the occupation. They are not right wing supremicists but they are zionists. You could always go and spend some time there where you would learn that it's far from the black and white situation that you've been fed by your conspiracy websites.

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Reply #34 posted 06/05/17 7:05pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Lust, you just won't stop. lol



What about Sand's evidence?



All you need is a good line of bullshit and call yourself an expert and anyone will believe what you try to sell them. Lust posted some good rebuttal info it is more believable.
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Reply #35 posted 06/06/17 7:36am

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I missed the main point, most Israeli jews are recent converts. The main point of the book. Maybe they have ancient hebrews living there but most are eastern european jews who converted in the last hundred years.

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Reply #36 posted 06/06/17 12:07pm

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I missed the main point, most Israeli jews are recent converts. The main point of the book. Maybe they have ancient hebrews living there but most are eastern european jews who converted in the last hundred years.




Most Israeli Jews converted in the 20th century now? This is getting utterly ridiculous. You'll fall for anything won't you. Eastern Europe hated Jews a hundred years ago. Still do. But you think European Jews are mainly converts from that time.

I've presented so much evidence of DNA studies that shows that virtually all diasporatic Jewish communities have more shared DNA with each other than they do with their host communities. You just ignore it in favour of your debunked junk science due to your hatred motivated cognitive dissonance aimed at an ethnic minority.

Oh well, at least Tony agrees with you. Must be true!


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Reply #37 posted 06/08/17 9:58am

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Why then are most jews so white?

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Reply #38 posted 06/08/17 3:13pm

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lust said:

TonyVanDam said:

MEMO: Zionism is awful! Zionism is a right-wing Jewish version of white supremacy.

I'm against Zionism equally as much as I'm against white supremacy, black supremacy, and all racial supremacies in general.

That's a strawman definition and whilst it may apply to some zionists, does not define zionsim. Those zionists who do have those traits disgust me as much as they do you.

Zionism just means the desire for self determination in the indigenous homeland of the jewish people. So in fact one could argue that Anti Zionsim (the belief that Jews have no right to self determination) is a position of racial supremacy. You can debate the ligitimacy of that indigenous historicty all you like but zionism does not equate to Jewish supremacy. If however you are determined to define it that way, then by your definition, I am not a zionist and I don't know any zionists amongst my jewish Israel supporting friends. So getting caught up on labels will prevent you from understanding what people actually think.

I've lived in Israel and marched for left wing peace movements with other Israelis who support Israel's right to exist (zionists) who campaign for Palestinian rights and volunteer and work with Palestinian organisations and demonstrate againts the occupation. They are not right wing supremicists but they are zionists. You could always go and spend some time there where you would learn that it's far from the black and white situation that you've been fed by your conspiracy websites.

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If that's the case, then why the black Ethiopian Jews are not welcomed in Israel like that should be?



Zionism is not racist? My ass! rolleyes

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Reply #39 posted 06/08/17 3:21pm

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Why then are most jews so white?

Do you think some regular white European people in the USA are the only ones that believes in white supermacy?

You already know the answer to your own question 2freaky. Like I said in a previous thread, Zionism is a right-wing Jewish version of white supermacy. As long as Zionism still exist within the Israeli government, non-white Jews will never be welcome in Israel like they should be.

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Reply #40 posted 06/08/17 4:46pm

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TonyVanDam said:



lust said:




TonyVanDam said:





MEMO: Zionism is awful! Zionism is a right-wing Jewish version of white supremacy.

I'm against Zionism equally as much as I'm against white supremacy, black supremacy, and all racial supremacies in general.





That's a strawman definition and whilst it may apply to some zionists, does not define zionsim. Those zionists who do have those traits disgust me as much as they do you.



Zionism just means the desire for self determination in the indigenous homeland of the jewish people. So in fact one could argue that Anti Zionsim (the belief that Jews have no right to self determination) is a position of racial supremacy. You can debate the ligitimacy of that indigenous historicty all you like but zionism does not equate to Jewish supremacy. If however you are determined to define it that way, then by your definition, I am not a zionist and I don't know any zionists amongst my jewish Israel supporting friends. So getting caught up on labels will prevent you from understanding what people actually think.



I've lived in Israel and marched for left wing peace movements with other Israelis who support Israel's right to exist (zionists) who campaign for Palestinian rights and volunteer and work with Palestinian organisations and demonstrate againts the occupation. They are not right wing supremicists but they are zionists. You could always go and spend some time there where you would learn that it's far from the black and white situation that you've been fed by your conspiracy websites.



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If that's the case, then why the black Ethiopian Jews are not welcomed in Israel like that should be?




Zionism is not racist? My ass! rolleyes



I did volunteer work with incoming Ethiopian refugees to Israel. One of my good friends over there is married to an Ethiopian lady. But of course you know more. Ever been?

Are there objectionable and racist Israeli Jews? Of course. Why should it be different to any other country in that regard. Rarely do I see a huge movement dedicated to defining any other country by its worst elements. That's a truly racist position.

Continue to believe that me being a Zionist makes me a white/Jewish supremecist if you like. Or ask me what I think about specific issues and decide on that as opposed to obsessing over labels.

To be honest, I couldn't really give a fuck either way.
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Reply #41 posted 06/10/17 10:41am

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Because they are white.

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Reply #42 posted 06/10/17 4:02pm

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Because they are white.

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One of the most extreme forms of racism that Indigenous Australians suffer from is people looking at those with mixed heritage and note that their distinctive look and colour rapidly reduces. This offensive argument is misused by some to deny these people their heritage.

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Interbreeding does not mean people who are provably largely descendents of a people are not of that people. Your opinion on person's looks does not defeat genetic and cultural connections.

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Reply #43 posted 06/10/17 4:29pm

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IanRG said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Because they are white.



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One of the most extreme forms of racism that Indigenous Australians suffer from is people looking at those with mixed heritage and note that their distinctive look and colour rapidly reduces. This offensive argument is misused by some to deny these people their heritage.


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Interbreeding does not mean people who are provably largely descendents of a people are not of that people. Your opinion on person's looks does not defeat genetic and cultural connections.



That's exactly the same here in New Zealand. My wife is Maori but looks white, al beit with an exotic look that makes people ask "where are you from?" Her father is European but mother is Maori. My wife's sister looks far more Maori.

I was always teased for my Jewish looks. I'm too white for there but not white enough for here apparently.
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Reply #44 posted 06/10/17 5:23pm

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They were in Turkey. Ottoman empire. They are recent converts, very simple. We are all equal humans. The Sand point.

Turkish Jews are not a homogenous group though. In Ottoman times, you had the Jews from Spain who were persecuted during the Inquisition and who were granted refuge by Sultan Beyazid....this was around the same time America was discovered by Columbus. The Jews who came from Spain are called Sephardi and speak a language called Ladino. Even to this day, many of them speak that language.

Then there are the Jews from the Levante, and then there are the Ashkenazi Jews from the Black Sea/Caucasus region and Central Asia or East Europe.

As far as I know Bob Dylan is a descendent of Ottoman Jews. I think he´s Ashkenazi and from the Black Sea region (well, I mean his ancestors).

When you say they are recent converts, who are you referring to?

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Reply #45 posted 06/10/17 5:28pm

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lust said:

TonyVanDam said:

MEMO: Zionism is awful! Zionism is a right-wing Jewish version of white supremacy.

I'm against Zionism equally as much as I'm against white supremacy, black supremacy, and all racial supremacies in general.

That's a strawman definition and whilst it may apply to some zionists, does not define zionsim. Those zionists who do have those traits disgust me as much as they do you.

Zionism just means the desire for self determination in the indigenous homeland of the jewish people. So in fact one could argue that Anti Zionsim (the belief that Jews have no right to self determination) is a position of racial supremacy. You can debate the ligitimacy of that indigenous historicty all you like but zionism does not equate to Jewish supremacy. If however you are determined to define it that way, then by your definition, I am not a zionist and I don't know any zionists amongst my jewish Israel supporting friends. So getting caught up on labels will prevent you from understanding what people actually think.

I've lived in Israel and marched for left wing peace movements with other Israelis who support Israel's right to exist (zionists) who campaign for Palestinian rights and volunteer and work with Palestinian organisations and demonstrate againts the occupation. They are not right wing supremicists but they are zionists. You could always go and spend some time there where you would learn that it's far from the black and white situation that you've been fed by your conspiracy websites.

Shalom achshav. (Peace Now)

Too bad that those kinds of organizations and the people behind them rarely get heard. I´m sure many anti-semites would change their views if they knew that there are Israeli Jews, or Jews in general, who disagree with the settlers who want to expand Israel all the way up to the Euphrate and all the way down to the Nile.

Unfortunately, those radical fringe groups are very powerful and much louder than secular, peaceful Israelis and Jews.

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Reply #46 posted 06/11/17 11:09am

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Huge peace groups that are jewish. No Arabs on Israels side.

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