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Reply #150 posted 06/15/17 12:47pm

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I agree. I think had the manifesto not been fair and properly cost they'd have ripped him to shreds in the media, but he put out a thought-out manifesto that was fair, costed and that allowed people to see a brighter future. Compare that to the Tory 'We're going to keep you in austerity, tax you more, take your childrens meals from their mouths, not give any more than 1% pay rises to the most valued professions in society, and God help you if you need a care home later in life' policies then I am honestly surprised he didn't do even better.


Right. Yet the Tories have now apparently scrapped austerity because it's not a vote winner.

So the point of it was... ?

£ for the already rich.

Exactly. There was no point other than to try and force further privitization. Seven years of austerity and we're in more debt than ever.

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Reply #151 posted 06/15/17 12:54pm

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Exactly. There was no point other than to try and force further privitization. Seven years of austerity and we're in more debt than ever.


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Reply #152 posted 06/15/17 1:04pm

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Exactly. There was no point other than to try and force further privitization. Seven years of austerity and we're in more debt than ever.


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It'd be funny if we hadn't lost our local school, hospital and I hadn't had to change a job I love to avoid a 1% pay rise. All for nothing - and they wonder why people are voting Labour sad

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Reply #153 posted 06/15/17 1:08pm

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It'd be funny if we hadn't lost our local school, hospital and I hadn't had to change a job I love to avoid a 1% pay rise. All for nothing - and they wonder why people are voting Labour sad


As ridiculous as it sounds, it's a "class" war. We keep fighting. hug

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Reply #154 posted 06/15/17 1:29pm

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It'd be funny if we hadn't lost our local school, hospital and I hadn't had to change a job I love to avoid a 1% pay rise. All for nothing - and they wonder why people are voting Labour sad


As ridiculous as it sounds, it's a "class" war. We keep fighting. hug

I think the boundaries have become too blurred nowadays to call it a class war, especially when those in the middle are struggling so much day-to-day. I think it's more of a power struggle between the haves and the have-nots, between profit and responsibility, and between fairness and greed.

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Reply #155 posted 06/15/17 1:35pm

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I think the boundaries have become too blurred nowadays to call it a class war, especially when those in the middle are struggling so much day-to-day. I think it's more of a power struggle between the haves and the have-nots, between profit and responsibility, and between fairness and greed.


Not sure I agree that it isn't a class war. Blurred lines for sure. Folk are waking up, that's all I know for now.

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Reply #156 posted 06/15/17 10:23pm

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I think the boundaries have become too blurred nowadays to call it a class war, especially when those in the middle are struggling so much day-to-day. I think it's more of a power struggle between the haves and the have-nots, between profit and responsibility, and between fairness and greed.




Not sure I agree that it isn't a class war. Blurred lines for sure. Folk are waking up, that's all I know for now.


I thinks folks are angry. They're angry at sinking further into debt. They are angry at not being able to afford to buy a house and having to cope with ever rising rent and ever richer landlords. They are angry at dealing with horrific tragedies yet being worse off because of a 1% pay rise over the last seven years. They are angry at the loss of schools and hospitals. They are angry at the brexit result. They are angry at the government and media who seem hell bent on creating a divided Britain. If change doesn't happen we will see sights not seen since Thatcher. Britain is waking up but many still have their eyes half closed (or are still asleep). Life is cyclical. Those in power will do what little they need to suppress those below them or they will lose power and another party will do the same.
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Reply #157 posted 06/16/17 3:30am

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I thinks folks are angry. They're angry at sinking further into debt. They are angry at not being able to afford to buy a house and having to cope with ever rising rent and ever richer landlords. They are angry at dealing with horrific tragedies yet being worse off because of a 1% pay rise over the last seven years. They are angry at the loss of schools and hospitals. They are angry at the brexit result. They are angry at the government and media who seem hell bent on creating a divided Britain. If change doesn't happen we will see sights not seen since Thatcher. Britain is waking up but many still have their eyes half closed (or are still asleep). Life is cyclical. Those in power will do what little they need to suppress those below them or they will lose power and another party will do the same.


I think Corbyn is genuine. At least I hope he is, his record suggests so. I've never known the UK establishment to be so terrified of one man.
Let's hope he has the opportunity to prove us either right or wrong.

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Reply #158 posted 06/16/17 6:36am

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Not sure I agree that it isn't a class war. Blurred lines for sure. Folk are waking up, that's all I know for now.

I thinks folks are angry. They're angry at sinking further into debt. They are angry at not being able to afford to buy a house and having to cope with ever rising rent and ever richer landlords. They are angry at dealing with horrific tragedies yet being worse off because of a 1% pay rise over the last seven years. They are angry at the loss of schools and hospitals. They are angry at the brexit result. They are angry at the government and media who seem hell bent on creating a divided Britain. If change doesn't happen we will see sights not seen since Thatcher. Britain is waking up but many still have their eyes half closed (or are still asleep). Life is cyclical. Those in power will do what little they need to suppress those below them or they will lose power and another party will do the same.

Such a true statement regarding what those in power really want. They want to stay there. "Changing things" without changing things is almost always the strategy.

Brand new boogie without the hero.
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Reply #159 posted 06/16/17 7:07am

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Major lolz.

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Reply #160 posted 06/16/17 7:53am

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Reply #161 posted 06/16/17 10:24pm

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maplenpg said:



I thinks folks are angry. They're angry at sinking further into debt. They are angry at not being able to afford to buy a house and having to cope with ever rising rent and ever richer landlords. They are angry at dealing with horrific tragedies yet being worse off because of a 1% pay rise over the last seven years. They are angry at the loss of schools and hospitals. They are angry at the brexit result. They are angry at the government and media who seem hell bent on creating a divided Britain. If change doesn't happen we will see sights not seen since Thatcher. Britain is waking up but many still have their eyes half closed (or are still asleep). Life is cyclical. Those in power will do what little they need to suppress those below them or they will lose power and another party will do the same.


I think Corbyn is genuine. At least I hope he is, his record suggests so. I've never known the UK establishment to be so terrified of one man.
Let's hope he has the opportunity to prove us either right or wrong.


I also think he is genuine. This was my first ever vote for Labour. He seems more liberal than labour to me. However, there are still many, many Blairites in labour and I'm not sure if one man alone can change the establishment. I do hope he gets a chance to try, I remain hopeful.
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