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Reply #90 posted 04/21/17 8:36am

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I think the suicidal person is not thinking of anything or anyone but alleviating their own mental/emotional anguish. A friend's ex-bro-in-law committed suicide after a girlfriend broke up with him. He ended up hanging himself in the garage with his cell phone on to video record it for her. His teenage son found him.
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When I was a kid I was ridding bike. My aunt runs up to me and is hysterical about her husband. So I go to check on him and he took a gun and committed suicide in front seat of his truck. I had others but finding one is traumatic. I think also spiritual expansion tends to happen when bad things happen. So possibly before I came to earth I made an agreement this would happen to me. It likely was an agreement with me, my aunt and man she married. It was done for my expansion I believe.

Yeah, it sticks with you the rest of your life. My grandmother at the age of 62, when I was 19 used a gun also. My step brother in his 20's had an argument with his girlfriend, he used a gun too. My other step brother, argued with his girlfriend, decided to take a shot at her and missed (thankfully) he holed himself up in the house and there was a standoff with the police, when they went in, he had already shot himself.


So it's a very traumatic thing.




Some other relatives died by OD and another by jumping in front of a train. I still feel pain over it because they didn't reach out to me. Previously they did and got them into psych ward. I had the stand down with police with family member and the tear gassed the house so they had to clean everything with a chemical agent and repaint and carpet. Thankfully Ive kept my sanity and they missed attempted murdering me. Life has actually turned good. Even with family drama. It stays with us but we rise above it! I realize too I get paranoid at time but I know.
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Reply #91 posted 04/21/17 8:48am

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Right. Furry, if I did what most right wing people do and say someone who does drugs deserves to die because they weren't personally responsible or had a Protestant Work Ethic? You would rightly hate me.

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Reply #92 posted 04/21/17 11:04am

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Right. Furry, if I did what most right wing people do and say someone who does drugs deserves to die because they weren't personally responsible or had a Protestant Work Ethic? You would rightly hate me.



It just increases the odds. Hernandez bought into the gangsta image, lifestyle. I'm for strict consequences, I'm not that evil.
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Reply #93 posted 04/21/17 3:42pm

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It is my opinion having very close family members who have committed suicide that what might be a normal or a little problem for us, is a huge problem for them.


I completely agree. It all boils down to not being as emotionally/mentally strong, therefore being unable to cope with events that others are able to handle. I think every person that commits suicide must be experiencing some form of depression, those that are emotionally strong don't.

And people who commit suicide often wrongly believe that nobody will miss them and nobody will care, that's why they typically don't think about the impact their death has on loved ones.

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Reply #94 posted 04/21/17 7:27pm

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PennyPurple said:

It is my opinion having very close family members who have committed suicide that what might be a normal or a little problem for us, is a huge problem for them.


I completely agree. It all boils down to not being as emotionally/mentally strong, therefore being unable to cope with events that others are able to handle. I think every person that commits suicide must be experiencing some form of depression, those that are emotionally strong don't.

And people who commit suicide often wrongly believe that nobody will miss them and nobody will care, that's why they typically don't think about the impact their death has on loved ones.

Yes, I agree. I often wonder if my grandma knew the pain that this caused for her 5 kids & 13 grandkids, would she still have done it? It eats on me. When I had my kids I thought to myself, look what she missed out on & then I think...look what WE missed out on. Who would think that their 62 year old grandmother would have committed suicide? Her and my grandfather moved to the farm which was 4 hours away, I was at work and was going to call her that night and tell her I was coming down the following weekend and stay with her, I never got to make that phone call, had I've called the night before..instead of going out with my boyfriend) then she would've been excited to see me and might not have done it.?. I should've listened to her. "Never put off tomorrow, what you can do today". sad

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Reply #95 posted 04/21/17 8:41pm

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Yes, I agree. I often wonder if my grandma knew the pain that this caused for her 5 kids & 13 grandkids, would she still have done it? It eats on me. When I had my kids I thought to myself, look what she missed out on & then I think...look what WE missed out on. Who would think that their 62 year old grandmother would have committed suicide? Her and my grandfather moved to the farm which was 4 hours away, I was at work and was going to call her that night and tell her I was coming down the following weekend and stay with her, I never got to make that phone call, had I've called the night before..instead of going out with my boyfriend) then she would've been excited to see me and might not have done it.?. I should've listened to her. "Never put off tomorrow, what you can do today". sad


Your last sentence, words of wisdom right there. It really is true, as often we don't get a second chance to do things we hoped to do. Life can change on a dime.

You're right, it's quite rare for grandmothers in their 60's to commit suicide. Sometimes it's because of health issues, or they simply aren't dealing well with the inevitable aging process.

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Reply #96 posted 04/21/17 10:02pm

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PennyPurple said:


Your last sentence, words of wisdom right there. It really is true, as often we don't get a second chance to do things we hoped to do. Life can change on a dime.

You're right, it's quite rare for grandmothers in their 60's to commit suicide. Sometimes it's because of health issues, or they simply aren't dealing well with the inevitable aging process.

She wasn't happy, she didn't want to move to the farm, she had to go where grandpa went. Her family was all up here in Kansas City, she missed everyone, she was lonely, she was miserable, and of course depressed. She would've been happy to know that I named my first child after her...I'm sure she does know.

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Reply #97 posted 04/21/17 10:08pm

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Anyone following this case. Wow! Hernandez offs the man to cover being gay.
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Reply #98 posted 04/22/17 4:40am

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Anyone following this case. Wow! Hernandez offs the man to cover being gay.


Bisexual, not gay ... but yeah, amazing the lengths some people will go to protect their street cred.

If I read the reports right, one of the three notes was to his high school boyfriend and another was to his prison boyfriend.

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Reply #99 posted 04/22/17 4:49am

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She wasn't happy, she didn't want to move to the farm, she had to go where grandpa went. Her family was all up here in Kansas City, she missed everyone, she was lonely, she was miserable, and of course depressed. She would've been happy to know that I named my first child after her...I'm sure she does know.

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Sorry everyone to be sooo off topic.


So sorry to hear the reason, yeah it sounds like her unhappiness was totally avoidable. I don't know the reason why grandpa was so adamant about moving to the farm? Any idea if she let him know how much she was against it?

Yes, she knows you named your child after her ... and I'm positive she's very happy and honored about it. It was a very sweet gesture.

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Reply #100 posted 04/23/17 12:18am

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I feel somewhat sad for Aaron Hernandez(feel even sadder for his victims though). That guy had it all, and blew it. He must have had some mental health issues for him to throw everything away like that.


And then committing suicide ? Man. I hope he accepted Christ as his savior, before he died...


Anyway, i hope the families of his victims can find some kind of closure.

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Reply #101 posted 04/23/17 9:25am

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Report: Aaron Hernandez Drew ‘Illuminati’ Symbols in Blood

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Reply #102 posted 04/23/17 10:43am

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Will you quit. Lock this thread.

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Reply #103 posted 04/24/17 3:47am

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JoeyC said:

I feel somewhat sad for Aaron Hernandez(feel even sadder for his victims though). That guy had it all, and blew it. He must have had some mental health issues for him to throw everything away like that.


And then committing suicide ? Man. I hope he accepted Christ as his savior, before he died...


Anyway, i hope the families of his victims can find some kind of closure.


Now the tale of Aaron Hernandez is gonna get even more Twisted....

The Mother of Aaron's most recent victim Filed a Civil-suit to snatch any money in Aaron's estate or any monies owed to him by The NFL..She filed BEFORE Aaron killed himself...Now it gets tricky...Aaron never married his Baby Momma so his 4yr old Daughter is the rightful heir to his estate...

As of Friday, the Victim's Mother said she's continuing the Civil Suit and she's going after every dime of The NFL money IF there's any to get..Aaron killed her son and she wants Millions for pain & suffering...

If The NFL is Legally bound to pay out any remaining monies to The Hernandez estate then The Hernandez family better have a Lawyer that knows what he's doing..Aaron's 4yr old daughter deserve every Penny of her Father's money and it should be put in a trust-fund...

My heart goes out to the Victims, but the NFL is not or should NOT be morally obligated to give the Victim's family any money....

This is gonna be a must see Court battle....

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Reply #104 posted 05/09/17 10:36am

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Aaron Hernandez convicton for murder has now been erased, because he died before his appeal was heard. According to ESPN. mad

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Reply #105 posted 05/09/17 11:43am

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Chancellor said:

JoeyC said:

I feel somewhat sad for Aaron Hernandez(feel even sadder for his victims though). That guy had it all, and blew it. He must have had some mental health issues for him to throw everything away like that.


And then committing suicide ? Man. I hope he accepted Christ as his savior, before he died...


Anyway, i hope the families of his victims can find some kind of closure.


Now the tale of Aaron Hernandez is gonna get even more Twisted....

The Mother of Aaron's most recent victim Filed a Civil-suit to snatch any money in Aaron's estate or any monies owed to him by The NFL..She filed BEFORE Aaron killed himself...Now it gets tricky...Aaron never married his Baby Momma so his 4yr old Daughter is the rightful heir to his estate...

As of Friday, the Victim's Mother said she's continuing the Civil Suit and she's going after every dime of The NFL money IF there's any to get..Aaron killed her son and she wants Millions for pain & suffering...

If The NFL is Legally bound to pay out any remaining monies to The Hernandez estate then The Hernandez family better have a Lawyer that knows what he's doing..Aaron's 4yr old daughter deserve every Penny of her Father's money and it should be put in a trust-fund...

My heart goes out to the Victims, but the NFL is not or should NOT be morally obligated to give the Victim's family any money....

This is gonna be a must see Court battle....



With all due respect, Hernandez's daughter does not deserve any money just because she is his daughter. Generally, the decedant's estate is liable for all the debts owed by the person who died (Hernandez). All creditor claims have to be paid and then whatever is left over is split among all heirs.

Would you feel any different about the money if Hernandez was still alive? If Hernandez lost the civil suit, which led to all his NFL money going to his victim's family and thus leaving nothing for his daughter, would you still be upset?

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Reply #106 posted 05/09/17 1:23pm

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Aaron Hernandez convicton for murder has now been erased, because he died before his appeal was heard. According to ESPN. mad

yeah, that was reported soon after he died. as it was in appeal it is pretty much automatic. Some said that that means the family will get all the money the NFL owes him! But the NFL said he lost any claim to that the when he was arrested and that the conviction has nothing to do with it... the only exception MIGHT be a small (2 or 3 million) bonus that is said to have been left off some documents.

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Reply #107 posted 05/09/17 1:24pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Chancellor said:


Now the tale of Aaron Hernandez is gonna get even more Twisted....

The Mother of Aaron's most recent victim Filed a Civil-suit to snatch any money in Aaron's estate or any monies owed to him by The NFL..She filed BEFORE Aaron killed himself...Now it gets tricky...Aaron never married his Baby Momma so his 4yr old Daughter is the rightful heir to his estate...

As of Friday, the Victim's Mother said she's continuing the Civil Suit and she's going after every dime of The NFL money IF there's any to get..Aaron killed her son and she wants Millions for pain & suffering...

If The NFL is Legally bound to pay out any remaining monies to The Hernandez estate then The Hernandez family better have a Lawyer that knows what he's doing..Aaron's 4yr old daughter deserve every Penny of her Father's money and it should be put in a trust-fund...

My heart goes out to the Victims, but the NFL is not or should NOT be morally obligated to give the Victim's family any money....

This is gonna be a must see Court battle....



With all due respect, Hernandez's daughter does not deserve any money just because she is his daughter. Generally, the decedant's estate is liable for all the debts owed by the person who died (Hernandez). All creditor claims have to be paid and then whatever is left over is split among all heirs.

Would you feel any different about the money if Hernandez was still alive? If Hernandez lost the civil suit, which led to all his NFL money going to his victim's family and thus leaving nothing for his daughter, would you still be upset?

in this case, it seems that if there is any money from the NFL his debtors get first dibs...

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Reply #108 posted 05/10/17 4:43pm

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PennyPurple said:

Aaron Hernandez convicton for murder has now been erased, because he died before his appeal was heard. According to ESPN. mad

yeah, that was reported soon after he died. as it was in appeal it is pretty much automatic. Some said that that means the family will get all the money the NFL owes him! But the NFL said he lost any claim to that the when he was arrested and that the conviction has nothing to do with it... the only exception MIGHT be a small (2 or 3 million) bonus that is said to have been left off some documents.


It's a horrible, antiquated law that needs to be changed.

The Patriots may have to pay $6 million to Aaron's fiancee.

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Reply #109 posted 05/10/17 4:49pm

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I thought about it and it is not a bad law, no law's are perfect but theoretically it is for a good reason.
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Reply #110 posted 05/10/17 5:18pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah, that was reported soon after he died. as it was in appeal it is pretty much automatic. Some said that that means the family will get all the money the NFL owes him! But the NFL said he lost any claim to that the when he was arrested and that the conviction has nothing to do with it... the only exception MIGHT be a small (2 or 3 million) bonus that is said to have been left off some documents.


It's a horrible, antiquated law that needs to be changed.

The Patriots may have to pay $6 million to Aaron's fiancee.

I do not think they will have to pay and even if they did not to her. It would have to go into a trust for the kid. But what I read he lost any claim to almost all of that when he was arrested. There might be part of a signing bonus that was left out fot some reason...but that would be subject to any fees and taxes and cuts any of his people and to any debts he had. It is doubtful that she will get much if anything up front. Maybe if put in a good investment it will be something when she turns 21. (which I would HOPE is its maturity date)

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Reply #111 posted 05/11/17 1:34am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Pokeno4Money said:


It's a horrible, antiquated law that needs to be changed.

The Patriots may have to pay $6 million to Aaron's fiancee.

I do not think they will have to pay and even if they did not to her. It would have to go into a trust for the kid. But what I read he lost any claim to almost all of that when he was arrested. There might be part of a signing bonus that was left out fot some reason...but that would be subject to any fees and taxes and cuts any of his people and to any debts he had. It is doubtful that she will get much if anything up front. Maybe if put in a good investment it will be something when she turns 21. (which I would HOPE is its maturity date)


I dunno. My understanding is that only a conviction gets the Patriots out of having to honor the contract. Otherwise, you'd have NFL players losing millions of dollars simply because they were falsely accused/arrested for things they didn't do.

Let's face it, if Hernandez didn't kill anybody then he shouldn't lose those millions. And right now, in the eyes of the law, he didn't kill anybody.

In his suicide note to his fiancee, he wrote "You're rich". Pretty sure he was referring to the antiquated law that overturned his conviction upon death.

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Reply #112 posted 05/11/17 4:47am

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Pokeno4Money said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I do not think they will have to pay and even if they did not to her. It would have to go into a trust for the kid. But what I read he lost any claim to almost all of that when he was arrested. There might be part of a signing bonus that was left out fot some reason...but that would be subject to any fees and taxes and cuts any of his people and to any debts he had. It is doubtful that she will get much if anything up front. Maybe if put in a good investment it will be something when she turns 21. (which I would HOPE is its maturity date)


I dunno. My understanding is that only a conviction gets the Patriots out of having to honor the contract. Otherwise, you'd have NFL players losing millions of dollars simply because they were falsely accused/arrested for things they didn't do.

Let's face it, if Hernandez didn't kill anybody then he shouldn't lose those millions. And right now, in the eyes of the law, he didn't kill anybody.

In his suicide note to his fiancee, he wrote "You're rich". Pretty sure he was referring to the antiquated law that overturned his conviction upon death.

He was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison. I don't think it's right that since he died before his appeal could be heard that now in the eyes of the law he didn't murder.

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PennyPurple said:

Pokeno4Money said:


I dunno. My understanding is that only a conviction gets the Patriots out of having to honor the contract. Otherwise, you'd have NFL players losing millions of dollars simply because they were falsely accused/arrested for things they didn't do.

Let's face it, if Hernandez didn't kill anybody then he shouldn't lose those millions. And right now, in the eyes of the law, he didn't kill anybody.

In his suicide note to his fiancee, he wrote "You're rich". Pretty sure he was referring to the antiquated law that overturned his conviction upon death.

He was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison. I don't think it's right that since he died before his appeal could be heard that now in the eyes of the law he didn't murder.

He was found guilty but the appeal is technicality, so not so fast. To say like ESPN fools that he was only accused? Well no he was found guilty and appealing.

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Reply #114 posted 05/11/17 5:13am

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He was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison. I don't think it's right that since he died before his appeal could be heard that now in the eyes of the law he didn't murder.


Of course it's not right. I said earlier, it's a horrible law that needs to be removed.

The "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" thing is supposed to be applied once. He was already proven guilty. After that, he's Guilty Until Proven Not Guilty. Nothing should change because of death.


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