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Thread started 04/14/17 6:09am

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FGM in the USA

A Michigan doctor has been arrested and charged with performing genital mutilation of 6 year old girls.

I would like to assume that those on the left, right and center ALL condemn this, but, I'm not so sure considering that even the article reporting on this attrocity is "politically correct". Instead of identifying those involved as muslim they are described as "members of a particular religious and cultural community" that "are known to practive FGM on young girls in the Community as part of their religious and cultural practice".

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Reply #1 posted 04/14/17 6:20am

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Reply #2 posted 04/14/17 6:27am

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Agreed. The politically correct that are more concerned with islamaphobia than female genital mutilation being performed on young girls are hypocrites at best and flat out INSANE at worst.

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Reply #3 posted 04/14/17 7:16am

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I've always been against the identification of race, religion or ethnicity when it comes to crimes such as this. But it would have to be all or nothing, no cherrypicking. Of course that would never happen in a world filled with label-lovers.

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Reply #4 posted 04/14/17 8:15am

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Find me SOMEONE in the American mainstream who has APPROVED of this horrible practice . Or is this just a strawman argument ?

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Reply #5 posted 04/14/17 8:50am

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It happens all over the world.

Doctors from those communities who practice this do it on the sly.

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Reply #6 posted 04/14/17 9:55am

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djThunderfunk said:

A Michigan doctor has been arrested and charged with performing genital mutilation of 6 year old girls.

I would like to assume that those on the left, right and center ALL condemn this, but, I'm not so sure considering that even the article reporting on this attrocity is "politically correct". Instead of identifying those involved as muslim they are described as "members of a particular religious and cultural community" that "are known to practive FGM on young girls in the Community as part of their religious and cultural practice".

https://townhall.com/tips...=hootsuite




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The article is just copying what is said in the original complaint. Since the FBI refused to identify the doctor as Muslim, for the article to do so on its own would be an assumption on the reporter's part.

I looked up this story elsewhere and other news sites don't say the doctor is Muslim either. Even FOX news says it's a practice popular in some Muslim communities, but stops short of stating the doctor is also Muslim.

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Reply #7 posted 04/14/17 10:18am

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Will you quit with this nonsense.

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Reply #8 posted 04/14/17 10:22am

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jjhunsecker said:

Find me SOMEONE in the American mainstream who has APPROVED of this horrible practice . Or is this just a strawman argument ?


Didn't say they did, so, I have to return the question: Are you making a strawman argument.

It is true that whenever the subject comes up, liberals often bend over backwards to focus on the possibility of islamaphobia rather than the reality of the attrocity.


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Reply #9 posted 04/14/17 10:23am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Will you quit with this nonsense.


Whom are you speaking to and what was said that is nonsense.

(wouldn't have to ask if you would simply Reply With Quote)

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Reply #10 posted 04/14/17 10:26am

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We're breaking up.

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Reply #11 posted 04/14/17 11:45am

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2freaky4church1 said:

We're breaking up.


Oh, good. You're no longer a "stud". lol

Seriously though, care to clarify or refute the "nonsense" you speak of?

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djThunderfunk said:



jjhunsecker said:


Find me SOMEONE in the American mainstream who has APPROVED of this horrible practice . Or is this just a strawman argument ?




Didn't say they did, so, I have to return the question: Are you making a strawman argument.

It is true that whenever the subject comes up, liberals often bend over backwards to focus on the possibility of islamaphobia rather than the reality of the attrocity.



Again, can you show us any "liberals " ( or anyone) in the American mainstream who has come out in support of genital mutilation ?
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Reply #13 posted 04/14/17 2:41pm

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jjhunsecker said:

djThunderfunk said:


Didn't say they did, so, I have to return the question: Are you making a strawman argument.

It is true that whenever the subject comes up, liberals often bend over backwards to focus on the possibility of islamaphobia rather than the reality of the attrocity.


Again, can you show us any "liberals " ( or anyone) in the American mainstream who has come out in support of genital mutilation ?


Nope. Can you show where I said they did or are you attempting a strawman on me?


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Reply #14 posted 04/14/17 3:00pm

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djThunderfunk said:



jjhunsecker said:


djThunderfunk said:



Didn't say they did, so, I have to return the question: Are you making a strawman argument.

It is true that whenever the subject comes up, liberals often bend over backwards to focus on the possibility of islamaphobia rather than the reality of the attrocity.




Again, can you show us any "liberals " ( or anyone) in the American mainstream who has come out in support of genital mutilation ?


Nope. Can you show where I said they did or are you attempting a strawman on me?




In response #2, you claim that the "politically correct" are more concerned with accusations of Islamaphobia than with genital mutilation. I am asking for concrete examples to back up this assertion.
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Reply #15 posted 04/14/17 7:07pm

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jjhunsecker said:

djThunderfunk said:


Nope. Can you show where I said they did or are you attempting a strawman on me?


In response #2, you claim that the "politically correct" are more concerned with accusations of Islamaphobia than with genital mutilation. I am asking for concrete examples to back up this assertion.


So you interpret "more concerned with islamaphobia than female genital mutilation" as "support for genital mutilation"? If not a strawman, then certainly a stretch.

By "more concerned with islamaphobia" I mean that the mainstream for the most part avoids the topic altogether.

See Bill Maher as an example. He often speaks out about FGM & sharia law and other liberals label him as islamaphobic for it.

This is not to say that they support FGM or even sharia law. It is to say that believe that discussing it is bad and that those who do have an "agenda".


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djThunderfunk said:

jjhunsecker said:

djThunderfunk said: In response #2, you claim that the "politically correct" are more concerned with accusations of Islamaphobia than with genital mutilation. I am asking for concrete examples to back up this assertion.


So you interpret "more concerned with islamaphobia than female genital mutilation" as "support for genital mutilation"? If not a strawman, then certainly a stretch.

By "more concerned with islamaphobia" I mean that the mainstream for the most part avoids the topic altogether.

See Bill Maher as an example. He often speaks out about FGM & sharia law and other liberals label him as islamaphobic for it.

This is not to say that they support FGM or even sharia law. It is to say that believe that discussing it is bad and that those who do have an "agenda".


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One can take almost any issue and say they don't feel as if the so-called "mainstream media" covers it enough, to their own personal satisfaction....

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Reply #17 posted 04/14/17 8:12pm

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jjhunsecker said:

djThunderfunk said:


So you interpret "more concerned with islamaphobia than female genital mutilation" as "support for genital mutilation"? If not a strawman, then certainly a stretch.

By "more concerned with islamaphobia" I mean that the mainstream for the most part avoids the topic altogether.

See Bill Maher as an example. He often speaks out about FGM & sharia law and other liberals label him as islamaphobic for it.

This is not to say that they support FGM or even sharia law. It is to say that believe that discussing it is bad and that those who do have an "agenda".


[Edited 4/14/17 19:07pm]

One can take almost any issue and say they don't feel as if the so-called "mainstream media" covers it enough, to their own personal satisfaction....


Again. That's NOT what I'm saying.

They don't cover it AT ALL. Because to do so is either islamaphobic or emboldens islamaphobes.

Again, see the reaction by the "mainstream" when someone like Bill Maher or Adam Corolla speaks honestly and openly about sharia liaw or FGM. This is what I'm talking about.


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Reply #18 posted 04/14/17 8:14pm

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djThunderfunk said:

jjhunsecker said:

One can take almost any issue and say they don't feel as if the so-called "mainstream media" covers it enough, to their own personal satisfaction....


Again. That's NOT what I'm saying.

They don't cover it AT ALL. Because to do so is either islamaphobic or emboldens islamaphobes.

Again, see the reaction by the "mainstream" when someone like Bill Maher or Adam Corolla speaks honestly and openly about sharia liaw or FGM. This is what I'm talking about.


If it's "not covered at all", how come I've read and heard numerous articles and stories about this barbaric practice over the years ?

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Reply #19 posted 04/14/17 8:31pm

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jjhunsecker said:

djThunderfunk said:


Again. That's NOT what I'm saying.

They don't cover it AT ALL. Because to do so is either islamaphobic or emboldens islamaphobes.

Again, see the reaction by the "mainstream" when someone like Bill Maher or Adam Corolla speaks honestly and openly about sharia liaw or FGM. This is what I'm talking about.


If it's "not covered at all", how come I've read and heard numerous articles and stories about this barbaric practice over the years ?


I would be surprised to see a story, from a "liberal media" source, from the last year or two, that discusses FGM as a problem that is common in the islamic community. Much less "numerous articles".

Enlighten me.

What I have seen, especially in social media, is outrage and accusations when conservatives discuss it. The articles I see ALL go out of there way to mention that FGM is a cultural problem not a religious one yet fail to discuss how widespread the problem is among the muslim community.

http://pamelageller.com/2...rica.html/


https://www.islam21c.com/...e-muslims/


https://www.jihadwatch.or...upremacist



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Reply #20 posted 04/14/17 8:56pm

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Personally, I have a classical liberal opinion of FGM.

I believe that all women have a right to keep their genitals intact. Furthermore I believe that anyone involved in mutilating children should be regarded with at least as much disdain as pedophiles and that all parties involved including doctors, parents and religious advisors should be treated with the same regard as those that aid and abett pedophilia, REGARDLESS of culture OR religion.

Am I wrong?



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Reply #21 posted 04/15/17 12:13am

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djThunderfunk said:



jjhunsecker said:




djThunderfunk said:




Again. That's NOT what I'm saying.

They don't cover it AT ALL. Because to do so is either islamaphobic or emboldens islamaphobes.

Again, see the reaction by the "mainstream" when someone like Bill Maher or Adam Corolla speaks honestly and openly about sharia liaw or FGM. This is what I'm talking about.





If it's "not covered at all", how come I've read and heard numerous articles and stories about this barbaric practice over the years ?




I would be surprised to see a story, from a "liberal media" source, from the last year or two, that discusses FGM as a problem that is common in the islamic community. Much less "numerous articles".

Enlighten me.

What I have seen, especially in social media, is outrage and accusations when conservatives discuss it. The articles I see ALL go out of there way to mention that FGM is a cultural problem not a religious one yet fail to discuss how widespread the problem is among the muslim community.

http://pamelageller.com/2...rica.html/



https://www.islam21c.com/...e-muslims/



https://www.jihadwatch.or...upremacist




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Heard about this practice for years, from a variety of sources. It's not like you are bringing up a subject today that has been completely hidden and nobody else knew anything about. And social media is a lot of bullshit anyway, with too many loudmouths deeply in love with the sound of their own voices. I avoid as much of it as possible.
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Reply #22 posted 04/15/17 4:29am

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djThunderfunk said:

jjhunsecker said:

If it's "not covered at all", how come I've read and heard numerous articles and stories about this barbaric practice over the years ?


I would be surprised to see a story, from a "liberal media" source, from the last year or two, that discusses FGM as a problem that is common in the islamic community. Much less "numerous articles".

Enlighten me.

What I have seen, especially in social media, is outrage and accusations when conservatives discuss it. The articles I see ALL go out of there way to mention that FGM is a cultural problem not a religious one yet fail to discuss how widespread the problem is among the muslim community.

http://pamelageller.com/2...rica.html/


https://www.islam21c.com/...e-muslims/


https://www.jihadwatch.or...upremacist



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I don't understand what you're trying to say? There have been plenty of mainstream articles on FGM and the reason they don't discuss it as an Islamic problem is because it is not exclusively an Islamic problem, therefore to discuss it as a purely Islamic practise would be Islamaphobic. FGM has as much to do with ethnicity as it has to do with religion, and it is only through educating those who believe the practise to be proper and just that we can evoke change. I don't really understand why people are 'outraged' by the reporting, rather we should be outraged at the doctors still illegally performing FGM, and at the education of those who believe it is right. Change will not occur by insisting the reporters call those practising FGM 'Muslims' rather than "members of a particular religious and cultural community", especially given that the vast majority of Muslims are against FGM - to call them Muslims would only entail more xenophobia.

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maplenpg said:

djThunderfunk said:


I would be surprised to see a story, from a "liberal media" source, from the last year or two, that discusses FGM as a problem that is common in the islamic community. Much less "numerous articles".

Enlighten me.

What I have seen, especially in social media, is outrage and accusations when conservatives discuss it. The articles I see ALL go out of there way to mention that FGM is a cultural problem not a religious one yet fail to discuss how widespread the problem is among the muslim community.

http://pamelageller.com/2...rica.html/


https://www.islam21c.com/...e-muslims/


https://www.jihadwatch.or...upremacist



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I don't understand what you're trying to say? There have been plenty of mainstream articles on FGM and the reason they don't discuss it as an Islamic problem is because it is not exclusively an Islamic problem, therefore to discuss it as a purely Islamic practise would be Islamaphobic. FGM has as much to do with ethnicity as it has to do with religion, and it is only through educating those who believe the practise to be proper and just that we can evoke change. I don't really understand why people are 'outraged' by the reporting, rather we should be outraged at the doctors still illegally performing FGM, and at the education of those who believe it is right. Change will not occur by insisting the reporters call those practising FGM 'Muslims' rather than "members of a particular religious and cultural community", especially given that the vast majority of Muslims are against FGM - to call them Muslims would only entail more xenophobia.


Look at it this way:

Pedophilia is a problem. Like FGM, it is an ancient problem that has existed in many cultures and among people of many religions.

Many catholic priests have perpretated this crime. The vast majority of catholics do not commit or condone pedophilia and probably the majority of catholic priests do not molest children.

This doesn't stop society or the media from identifying the reality that many catholic priests have sexually molested children. No one worries that accurately identifying the perpetrators as catholic priests makes one anti-catholic.

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You don't think Maher is a bit biased against Religion? At least Karen Armstrong cares about actual evidence. Note that FGM goes on in poor countries. Capitalism is the main culpret.

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Maher needs to see this: http://www.huffingtonpost...mg00000009

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Reply #26 posted 04/15/17 9:12am

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djThunderfunk said:

maplenpg said:

I don't understand what you're trying to say? There have been plenty of mainstream articles on FGM and the reason they don't discuss it as an Islamic problem is because it is not exclusively an Islamic problem, therefore to discuss it as a purely Islamic practise would be Islamaphobic. FGM has as much to do with ethnicity as it has to do with religion, and it is only through educating those who believe the practise to be proper and just that we can evoke change. I don't really understand why people are 'outraged' by the reporting, rather we should be outraged at the doctors still illegally performing FGM, and at the education of those who believe it is right. Change will not occur by insisting the reporters call those practising FGM 'Muslims' rather than "members of a particular religious and cultural community", especially given that the vast majority of Muslims are against FGM - to call them Muslims would only entail more xenophobia.


Look at it this way:

Pedophilia is a problem. Like FGM, it is an ancient problem that has existed in many cultures and among people of many religions.

Many catholic priests have perpretated this crime. The vast majority of catholics do not commit or condone pedophilia and probably the majority of catholic priests do not molest children.

This doesn't stop society or the media from identifying the reality that many catholic priests have sexually molested children. No one worries that accurately identifying the perpetrators as catholic priests makes one anti-catholic.

But very few people are ever going to say they agree that paedophilia is right or good (whatever their private thoughts). The culture and religion of the person committing the abuse of children is, to a large extent irrelevant. It is wrong. Full stop. Same as FGM - the culture and religion is irrelevant - how does it in any way make the deed any better if the religion is confirmed? If you want to find articles linking Islam to FGM then there are many, many articles out there. If you want to find articles promoting FGM they are out there, and they make horrible reading. For every 'politically correct' article you have included links to, there are many more non-PC articles out there. I am not going to provide links. The reports in your links said the doctor belonged to a religious community - how does identifying the particular religious community make the article any different, or the crime any worse?

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Reply #27 posted 04/15/17 9:17am

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Can someone please tell me what this thread is about? Is it about the problem of female circumcision or about the supposed political correctness of the media? (Seems like some people here care more about the latter than the former.)
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NorthC said:

Can someone please tell me what this thread is about? Is it about the problem of female circumcision or about the supposed political correctness of the media? (Seems like some people here care more about the latter than the former.)

I agree- it seems more to be an attempt to attack "liberals" than anything else- like when people complain that others didn't say "radical Islamic terrorism"
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You don't think Maher is a bit biased against Religion? At least Karen Armstrong cares about actual evidence. Note that FGM goes on in poor countries. Capitalism is the main culpret.


Maher is absolutely biased against religion... ALL religions.

He has not demonstrated bias specifically against islam with a bias for other religions.

This story is about FGM in America, not other countries.

If you are saying capitalism is the cause of FGM then I say GTFOH with that nonsense.


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