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Thread started 04/11/17 5:37am

OnlyNDaUsa

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So United Airlines...man dragged off plane!

I am not sure if this goes here or P&R?

So by now, most have heard a man was on a fully booked (not overbooked) flight and United needed to put four airline employees on the flight so they asked for people to give up their seats. Three did and no one else would. So they picked a man and forced him off. They literally dragged him off the plane. Wow! This is nuts! And this is going to be a big stink for Delta!




To me, the security guard should not be punished. I feel this was totally united's policy and they choose not to find another solution.

If they are smart they will pay the man off with offers of 10 free round trip first class tickets for 2 per year that are transferable. (say 8 domestic and 2 international). That would cost them next to nothing and less than a court case would cost and I am sure they would lose BIGLY.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/0...ight-trnd/

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Reply #1 posted 04/11/17 7:26am

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They should give him a salary for life. It's his image plastered everywhere now. They have created an inhumane moment that marks him for life. If corporations want to have the freedoms of an individual in the quest for profit, then they should also be punished like an individual for actual crimes commited against individuals in their quest for profit.

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Reply #2 posted 04/11/17 7:30am

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Sue them motherfuckers.

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Reply #3 posted 04/11/17 7:48am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Sue them motherfuckers.

Naww... settle out of court and DO NOT HIRE AN LAWYER! At least not at first.


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Reply #4 posted 04/11/17 8:13am

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They need to pay him BIG money for this. BIG BIG money. Unbelievable. They should never have dragged him off, injuring him. They should have increased the compensation for voluntarily relinquishing a seat until someone volunteered.
imo this man should receive an absolutely huge payout for what has been done to him, and I don't usually side with folks claiming pain and suffering. I betcha he will sue and they will settle
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Reply #5 posted 04/11/17 8:15am

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This nonsense has gone way beyond an United Airlines apology and some free airplane tickets. neutral All parties involved (including the Chicago Police Dept.) are going to be sued and will possible have to cut this gentleman a check for large sums of money. I'd suggest all parties should settle.

1. This was not a case "over-booked" flight. At the last minute an United Airlines flight attendant crew needed to be Louisville Kentucky. United Airlines pulled rank... this wasn't an issue of overbooking but a matter of prioritizing its own employees over a customer after the fact. Definition of "Oversold Flight means a flight where there are more Passengers holding valid confirmed Tickets that check-in for the flight within the prescribed check-in time than there

are available seats.

2. The Chicago police are not employees of United Airlines. Police State?

3. The Chicago Tribune is reporting that United allowed four stand-by passengers on, then wanted to remove

four passengers and replace them with United employees that needed to get to Louisville.

More importantly...

United Contract of Carriage (Rule 25) allows the airlines to deny boarding to passengers in case of overbooking. A passenger who has boarded can be removed for certain circumstances like a government request, being intoxicated, failing to pay for his/her ticket, having a medical problems, having a "malodorous condition"..... in other words a passenger who stinks.

Bumping, covered in Rule 25, which entitles a passenger to compensation, is within the airline's right to prior to boarding a passenger. As the Rule 25 states, "If there are not enough volunteers, other Passengers may be denied

boarding involuntarily in accordance with UA's boarding priority."


It doesn't entitle them (United Airlines) to forcibly remove passengers "volunteered" by the airline. It does not allow them to assault a passenger who, by all accounts, was not endangering the aircraft or any of the other passengers. Nor can United Airlines by their own rule(s) remove a paying customer by force who's boarded their airplane.

a. Its a four and half hour drive from Chicago to Louisville.

b. UA could have put their flight attendants another carries flight.

c. O'hare, Midway, and Gary & O'hare International Airport have Learjet's, that can be rented 24/7. Gary/O'Hare airport is 33 miles away form O'Hare.

d. Up the compensation... the highest overbooking compensation I've witnessed was 12 years ago LA to Chicago, $3,500 bucks plus free airline tickets anywhere in the US.

These cheap bastards, didn't flow their own terms and conditions of flying. United Airlines lied on this passenger and basically change the rules, called in the thugs, (better known as CPD) to pull and rough-up a paying customer off their plane.

Another thing.... the arbitrarily selections of passengers. The passenger behind the gentleman who was removed from the plane stated.... The guy at first volunteered to give up his seat, until he was told he'd have to wait to catch a flight the next day. The gentlemen then demurred and told the police and UA he was a doctor and he had patients he had to see the next day. I suspect race played a part in this too... the Doc's is going to have a nice retirement nest egg.

P.S. Unite Airlines is losing money as I type. I know of 6 companies in Chicago who have switched their business to Delta. Corporate flights are the cash cow for ALL airlines.

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Reply #6 posted 04/11/17 8:23am

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nice post TD3! the keys are 1) it was not an overbooked flight! 2) there is a yuge difference between denying boarding and forced removal 3) they knew or should have known they needed 4 seats...the bumping should have occurred prior to boarding.

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Reply #7 posted 04/11/17 9:03am

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This is going to cost United dearly in more ways than one. They will lose a lot of customers over this, including me.

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Reply #8 posted 04/11/17 9:12am

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ALL airlines do this.

I had booked a flight months in advance with a certain airline and when I checked in I was put on stand by.



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Reply #9 posted 04/11/17 9:17am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

I am not sure if this goes here or P&R?

So by now, most have heard a man was on a fully booked (not overbooked) flight and United needed to put four airline employees on the flight so they asked for people to give up their seats. Three did and no one else would. So they picked a man and forced him off. They literally dragged him off the plane. Wow! This is nuts! And this is going to be a big stink for Delta!




To me, the security guard should not be punished. I feel this was totally united's policy and they choose not to find another solution.

If they are smart they will pay the man off with offers of 10 free round trip first class tickets for 2 per year that are transferable. (say 8 domestic and 2 international). That would cost them next to nothing and less than a court case would cost and I am sure they would lose BIGLY.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/0...ight-trnd/

[Edited 4/11/17 5:47am]

I saw that video, and uh like sociopaths on farms, the security guards behaviour was inhumane

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Reply #10 posted 04/11/17 9:23am

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luv4u said:

ALL airlines do this.

I had booked a flight months in advance with a certain airline and when I checked in I was put on stand by.



there is a yuge difference between being denied boarding and being boarded and forcibly removed for the convinced of the airline employee.

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Reply #11 posted 04/11/17 9:47am

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In an unrelated story, United updated their mobile app. The description of the update could be not more poorly timed. It's probably a doctored meme, but still.



Of course, there was also this:


But yeah, the guy should sue United for all they're worth.

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Reply #12 posted 04/11/17 9:50am

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it seems 'customer service 101' would dictate that, given the choice of inconveniencing your customers or inconveniencing your employees, the employee loses every time...

and what the fuck kind of world do we live in where that many people watch through their phones as a fellow citizen (a goddamn doctor, no less) is man-handled and humiliated in that fashion?! i weep for this world.

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Reply #13 posted 04/11/17 10:16am

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peedub said:

it seems 'customer service 101' would dictate that, given the choice of inconveniencing your customers or inconveniencing your employees, the employee loses every time...

and what the fuck kind of world do we live in where that many people watch through their phones as a fellow citizen (a goddamn doctor, no less) is man-handled and humiliated in that fashion?! i weep for this world.


Except that customers still would have been inconvenienced - the customers flying out of Louisville the next morning, who would have not had a full crew for their morning flight, and would have faced delay, rerouting or cancellation.

United should never have allowed passengers to board without the standby situation having been cleared up. Everyone got home late as it was because of this fiasco - they should have just made them all sit in the gate area until enough people stepped up voluntarily or had been rerouted involuntarily.

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I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
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Reply #14 posted 04/11/17 11:02am

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Genesia said:

peedub said:

it seems 'customer service 101' would dictate that, given the choice of inconveniencing your customers or inconveniencing your employees, the employee loses every time...

and what the fuck kind of world do we live in where that many people watch through their phones as a fellow citizen (a goddamn doctor, no less) is man-handled and humiliated in that fashion?! i weep for this world.


Except that customers still would have been inconvenienced - the customers flying out of Louisville the next morning, who would have not had a full crew for their morning flight, and would have faced delay, rerouting or cancellation.

they could have gotten them there in time and for way way less than this will cost them...

United should never have allowed passengers to board without the standby situation having been cleared up. Everyone got home late as it was because of this fiasco - they should have just made them all sit in the gate area until enough people stepped up voluntarily or had been rerouted involuntarily.



No: they messed up and they failed to plan... and there is a law that says a delay over some amount of time means big fines for the airline. there is no excuse this was not a security issue this was battery and abuse. this man if he wants to can cost them many many $1000s (if i was on the jury i would say $1Million ($250,000 for him, the lawyer's cut, what if any left over goes to Charity)

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Reply #15 posted 04/11/17 11:18am

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luv4u said:

ALL airlines do this.

I had booked a flight months in advance with a certain airline and when I checked in I was put on stand by.



I'm familiar with planes overbooking, but why? It's not like the seats on a plane are general admission and you just choose the seat you want. You have an actual ASSIGNED seat...therefore, if there weren't enough seats allocated for the employees, this should've been rectified BEFORE anyone boarded the plane. Plain and simple. No human being deserves to be treated like an animal in a zoo just because an airline has a severe lack of customer service, organization and management.

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Reply #16 posted 04/11/17 11:22am

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You wanna know how much dragging a paid customer off United Airlines cost?

$500 million and counting.... no better for them. The CEO was still talkin' shit this morning. confused

Chicago Tribune source: The Trib doesn't allow you to view any pages for free anymore, hence I didn't link the info.

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Reply #17 posted 04/11/17 11:28am

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Yeah...I don't feel so sorry for this guy, anymore...

http://nypost.com/2017/04...e=facebook

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
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Reply #18 posted 04/11/17 11:34am

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Genesia said:

Yeah...I don't feel so sorry for this guy, anymore...

http://nypost.com/2017/04...e=facebook



yeah it is a good idea that if you have such a background to NOT do anything that could bring it to light. but his past had little to do with him being a victim of this crime.

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Reply #19 posted 04/11/17 11:37am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Genesia said:

Yeah...I don't feel so sorry for this guy, anymore...

http://nypost.com/2017/04...e=facebook



yeah it is a good idea that if you have such a background to NOT do anything that could bring it to light. but his past had little to do with him being a victim of this crime.


Crime? He'll be lucky if he doesn't get charged with interfering with a flight crew.

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
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Reply #20 posted 04/11/17 11:38am

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Yeah...I don't feel so sorry for this guy, anymore...

http://nypost.com/2017/04...e=facebook


All of us have a past, though. Maybe not that past, but shit - we've all done something that would change people's opinions of us; our friends, relatives, etc. It's a bit of victim blaming here. This is an isolated incident, and his past has nothing to do with it.

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Reply #21 posted 04/11/17 11:53am

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psshh...so what? he did the (apparently victimless) crime, he did his time...if he'd been a convicted bank robber or car thief and had subsequently turned his life around, nobody'd blink. but because sex and drugs?! salacious!

he's a free citizen who has every right to expect to never be treated the way that he was.

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Reply #22 posted 04/11/17 11:57am

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peedub said:



psshh...so what? he did the (apparently victimless) crime, he did his time...if he'd been a convicted bank robber or car thief and had subsequently turned his life around, nobody'd blink. but because sex and drugs?! salacious!

he's a free citizen who has every right to expect to never be treated the way that he was.


Oh...so drug crimes are victimless? Tell it to Prince.

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
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Reply #23 posted 04/11/17 12:10pm

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Genesia said:

peedub said:



psshh...so what? he did the (apparently victimless) crime, he did his time...if he'd been a convicted bank robber or car thief and had subsequently turned his life around, nobody'd blink. but because sex and drugs?! salacious!

he's a free citizen who has every right to expect to never be treated the way that he was.


Oh...so drug crimes are victimless? Tell it to Prince.



not 'drug crimes', 'this' drug crime...but that's not the topic.

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Reply #24 posted 04/11/17 12:33pm

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Get Trump in on this. Ol boy needs to send in his war jets!!

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Reply #25 posted 04/11/17 12:35pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Genesia said:

Yeah...I don't feel so sorry for this guy, anymore...

http://nypost.com/2017/04...e=facebook



yeah it is a good idea that if you have such a background to NOT do anything that could bring it to light. but his past had little to do with him being a victim of this crime.


No wonder he was adament in staying on the plane.

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Reply #26 posted 04/11/17 12:35pm

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luv4u said:

Get Trump in on this. Ol boy needs to send in his war jets!!


or sent a team from United to set Putin right!

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Reply #27 posted 04/11/17 12:36pm

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luv4u said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:



yeah it is a good idea that if you have such a background to NOT do anything that could bring it to light. but his past had little to do with him being a victim of this crime.


No wonder he was adament in staying on the plane.

oh you moved it! cool i guess it is a bit more political than just a current event

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Reply #28 posted 04/11/17 12:38pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

luv4u said:


No wonder he was adament in staying on the plane.

oh you moved it! cool i guess it is a bit more political than just a current event


It got reported neutral

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Reply #29 posted 04/11/17 12:47pm

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peedub said:

it seems 'customer service 101' would dictate that, given the choice of inconveniencing your customers or inconveniencing your employees, the employee loses every time...

and what the fuck kind of world do we live in where that many people watch through their phones as a fellow citizen (a goddamn doctor, no less) is man-handled and humiliated in that fashion?! i weep for this world.

I've mixed feelings - I've seen a few things now that I've literally shouted at the screen, "Get off your phones and do something", and yet there is no doubt that mobile phone footage provides vital evidence for all sorts of things nowadays.

On another note, I've just spent some time on the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure and have been unable to find the apparent 2003 conviction that has been reported and discussed inthis thread. I'm not saying that it is not true, just that I'm always wary when a source is provided and I can't find the reported act at the source.

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