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NY Legislature Passes Gov Cuomo's Free College Tuition Proposal For Families Making Up To $125,000 Per Year

This is great! clapping clapping

http://nymag.com/daily/in...dents.html

April 10, 2017 7:27 a.m.
New York to Make College Tuition Free for Certain Students
By Caroline Bankoff
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Back in January – with Bernie Sanders standing at his side for maximum effect – Governor Andrew Cuomo announced a plan to make New York state, city, and community college tuition free for qualified students whose families make up to $125,000 a year. On Sunday night, the New York legislature passed a $153 billion state budget that, among other things, made Cuomo’s proposal a reality. The plan, called the Excelsior Scholarship, will “be phased in over three years, with families making $100,000 or less annually eligible in the fall of 2017, with the threshold rising to $125,000 in 2019,” NBC New York reports.

Excelsior funding will only be available to full-time students who have lived in New York for at least a year. After graduation, recipients will have to remain in the state for as many years as they were in the program or they will have to pay the money back. And while tuition – currently $6,470, $6,330, and $4,350 at SUNY, CUNY, and community colleges, respectively – will be waived, students will have to cover room and board, books, and fees. (According to Forbes, non-tuition costs can run as high as $15,520 at SUNY and $12,390 at CUNY for students not living at home.) Still, it beats taking out loans – and Cuomo, who’s said to be considering running for president in 2020, won’t let you forget it.
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Reply #1 posted 04/10/17 5:35pm

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Hope other states follow with this.
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Reason why this is good, education will mean higher earners in Trump economy and pay it back in tax, the school will churn out properly hogs the future Donalds. Reason why this is bad, they will be brainwashed by liberal instructors and have to leave New York. They also will not have an incentive to join military. The free education is for lower tier Universities? I'm also for having some risk if they fail. They should have to pay something back if they don't do well or try to cheat the system as professional students and submit to a drug test.
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2elijah said:

Hope other states follow with thus.


That would be great. Because of the rising cost of 4-year colleges many students go to local community colleges to get basic courses out of the way first and grab an AA with transferable units and then get their BAs at the 4-year later.

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2elijah said:


Hope other states follow with thus.


That would be great. Because of the rising cost of 4-year colleges many students go to local community colleges to get basic courses out of the way first and grab an AA with transferable units and then get their BAs at the 4-year later.


Exactly. This will help many families who couldn't afford a college education for their kids. It will also inspire and encourage youth to seek a career, instead of falling victim to bad elements of society. Leave it to New York to lead the charge.
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Reason why this is good, education will mean higher earners in Trump economy and pay it back in tax, the school will churn out properly hogs the future Donalds. Reason why this is bad, they will be brainwashed by liberal instructors and have to leave New York. They also will not have an incentive to join military. The free education is for lower tier Universities? I'm also for having some risk if they fail. They should have to pay something back if they don't do well or try to cheat the system as professional students and submit to a drug test.

First of all, when they sign up, they will already be aware that if they don't finish, they will have to pay it back, so I'm sure just knowing that, will encourage students to complete the full term. Higher education should not just be for those who could afford to pay. Keep in mind, the students will still have to pay for books, board, and fees, but it's s good trade-off from worrying about getting money to pay for tuition. Now the Governor just needs to make sure more jobs will be created to deal with the high, number of college graduates this will turn out. That in and of itself creates a class/economic division. As far as 'cheating', I would say that would apply to those who make more than the stated threshold, and lie on the application to get their kids into college.
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More on this. I think having participants stay in NY for the length of time they received free tuition, after they graduate, is a fair trade, when you think of what paid tuition would cost them, during that same period of time they attend college. Not to mention how it will be saving many years of paying off student loans, if they had to pay the tuition. This way you don't get something for nothing.


Beneficiaries of New York’s Free College Program Must Work in the State After Graduating



http://fortune.com/2017/0...e-college/

Ryan Kilpatrick
4:51 AM ET
Students awarded a new scholarship in New York must live and work in the state for several years after graduation—or pay back their tuition fees.
According to the fine print on the Excelsior Scholarship, which lets students attending a State University or City University of New York to study free of tuition fees if their families earn no more than $100,000 a year, recipients must stay in the state for the same number of years for which they received funding, the Wall Street Journal reports.

The scholarships have earned New York Governor Andrew Cuomo praise for making his state the first to make tuition-free college a reality. But according to the WSJ, critics say the requirement to live and work in New York may force graduates to take unemployment in New York over jobs elsewhere.
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2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:
Reason why this is good, education will mean higher earners in Trump economy and pay it back in tax, the school will churn out properly hogs the future Donalds. Reason why this is bad, they will be brainwashed by liberal instructors and have to leave New York. They also will not have an incentive to join military. The free education is for lower tier Universities? I'm also for having some risk if they fail. They should have to pay something back if they don't do well or try to cheat the system as professional students and submit to a drug test.
First of all, when they sign up, they will already be aware that if they don't finish, they will have to pay it back, so I'm sure just knowing that, will encourage students to complete the full term. Higher education should not just be for those who could afford to pay. Keep in mind, the students will still have to pay for books, board, and fees, but it's s good trade-off from worrying about getting money to pay for tuition. Now the Governor just needs to make sure more jobs will be created to deal with the high, number of college graduates this will turn out. That in and of itself creates a class/economic division. As far as 'cheating', I would say that would apply to those who make more than the stated threshold, and lie on the application to get their kids into college. [Edited 4/11/17 4:21am]

It is not up to the gov to create jobs but the individual. I agree with the principal because higher edu will mean individual pays more tax. This is happening a hundred days in to the Trump administration. Fixing the schools would mean less violence among cops and civilians because people these days are ignorant and when they are that dumb shit will go down. Hopefully this is part of the agenda to fix the larger issues.

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2elijah said:


SuperFurryAnimal said:
Reason why this is good, education will mean higher earners in Trump economy and pay it back in tax, the school will churn out properly hogs the future Donalds. Reason why this is bad, they will be brainwashed by liberal instructors and have to leave New York. They also will not have an incentive to join military. The free education is for lower tier Universities? I'm also for having some risk if they fail. They should have to pay something back if they don't do well or try to cheat the system as professional students and submit to a drug test.

First of all, when they sign up, they will already be aware that if they don't finish, they will have to pay it back, so I'm sure just knowing that, will encourage students to complete the full term. Higher education should not just be for those who could afford to pay. Keep in mind, the students will still have to pay for books, board, and fees, but it's s good trade-off from worrying about getting money to pay for tuition. Now the Governor just needs to make sure more jobs will be created to deal with the high, number of college graduates this will turn out. That in and of itself creates a class/economic division. As far as 'cheating', I would say that would apply to those who make more than the stated threshold, and lie on the application to get their kids into college. [Edited 4/11/17 4:21am]


It is not up to the gov to create jobs but the individual. I agree with the principal because higher edu will mean individual pays more tax. This is happening a hundred days in to the Trump administration. Fixing the schools would mean less violence among cops and civilians because people these days are ignorant and when they are that dumb shit will go down. Hopefully this is part of the agenda to fix the larger issues.



Trump hasn't done anything good for education. Trump had nothing to do with this. He gets no credit for this. If anyone does, it's Bernie Sanders, along with Governor Cuomo. Trump would have never proposed a plan like this. He's too greedy, and about his rich friends. Trump has never been about the average, hard-working families. You'll just have to accept that fact.

Governor Cuomo is the champion of this proposal for New York, because he made it happen. I'm pretty sure Bernie Sanders is happy about this too. Like I said, this will encourage more youth to seek a career, and brings hope to many families and communities. Cheers to Cuomo.
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2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

It is not up to the gov to create jobs but the individual. I agree with the principal because higher edu will mean individual pays more tax. This is happening a hundred days in to the Trump administration. Fixing the schools would mean less violence among cops and civilians because people these days are ignorant and when they are that dumb shit will go down. Hopefully this is part of the agenda to fix the larger issues.

Trump hasn't done anything good for education. Trump had nothing to do with this. He hets no credit for this. He would never propose a plan like this. He's about his rich friends, not the average, hard-working families. Governor Cuomo is the champion of this proposal, and like I said, this will encourage more youth to seek a career, and brings hope to many families and communities. Cheers to Cuomo. [Edited 4/11/17 4:40am]

Did I say that? No. Ultimately it will be paid for one way or another. You are a NYer well get ready for super high tax.

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2elijah said:


SuperFurryAnimal said:



It is not up to the gov to create jobs but the individual. I agree with the principal because higher edu will mean individual pays more tax. This is happening a hundred days in to the Trump administration. Fixing the schools would mean less violence among cops and civilians because people these days are ignorant and when they are that dumb shit will go down. Hopefully this is part of the agenda to fix the larger issues.



Trump hasn't done anything good for education. Trump had nothing to do with this. He hets no credit for this. He would never propose a plan like this. He's about his rich friends, not the average, hard-working families. Governor Cuomo is the champion of this proposal, and like I said, this will encourage more youth to seek a career, and brings hope to many families and communities. Cheers to Cuomo. [Edited 4/11/17 4:40am]


Did I say that? No. Ultimately it will be paid for one way or another. You are a NYer well get ready for super high tax.


I will be just fine.
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SuperFurryAnimal said:

Did I say that? No. Ultimately it will be paid for one way or another. You are a NYer well get ready for super high tax.

I will be just fine.

If you have money. Why do you favor giving things away? Are you for loans and people working to pay back the loan for goods/services? Because ultimately nothing is free and SUNY will run up spending sure as shit.

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Cuomo is going to run for President so his plan is to start handing things out for free. lol

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Cuomo is going to run for President so his plan is to start handing things out for free. lol


Can you read? They are not getting a handout. The trade off is that participants have to stay in NY for the length of time, they will be in the program, after they graduate, so most will eventually have to find work and will help to contribute to NY's economy, as a way of giving back.

They graduate with a degree, skills, and a good chance for a career. It beats paying off student loans, which could take a number of years to pay off for many, and often ruins one's credit, if they are not able to most it off. Too many college students are in debt now, because of student loans.
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2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Cuomo is going to run for President so his plan is to start handing things out for free. lol

Can you read? The trade off is participants have to stay in NY for length of time they will be in the program, so most will eventually have to find work and contribute to NY's economy, once they graduate. They graduate with a degree, skills, and a good chance for a career. It beats paying off student loans, which could take a number of years to pay off for many, and often ruins one's credit, if not paid off.

Taxes will be too high and they will leave for better jobs elsewhere. No rule they will stay. Other countries may even start to use NY like a major league baseball farm team.

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2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Cuomo is going to run for President so his plan is to start handing things out for free. lol

Can you read? They are not getting a handout. The trade off is that participants have to stay in NY for the length of time, they will be in the program, after they graduate, so most will eventually have to find work and will help to contribute to NY's economy, as a way of giving back. They graduate with a degree, skills, and a good chance for a career. It beats paying off student loans, which could take a number of years to pay off for many, and often ruins one's credit, if they are not able to most it off. Too many college students are in debt now, because of student loans. [Edited 4/11/17 5:13am]

Credit scores are ruined when someone abandons paymentof debt. Responsible people will work with creditors and set up payment plans and pay off large debt over period of time and build weath while doing.

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They should ban credit scores.

Henry Ford is the richest man ever. He paid his workers a living wage, why? He wanted them to be able to afford his cars. You can use this in the minimum wage debate too.

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They should ban credit scores.

Henry Ford is the richest man ever. He paid his workers a living wage, why? He wanted them to be able to afford his cars. You can use this in the minimum wage debate too.

oh hell no. I have had some hiccups and i have worked to get mine back over 700 and in 2 years it will be even better... in 3 it should be approaching 800.

now i can get loans when i need them and at the good rates. if there was no such thing then a person who pays their bills on time every time or makes arrangements should be able to borrow more and pay a lower rate.

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Mid 800s. Can't get credit to 850 and it bothers me. Credit scores and std tests are important.
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Mid 800s. Can't get credit to 850 and it bothers me. Credit scores and std tests are important.

anything over 800 is prime! really over 750

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said: Can you read? The trade off is participants have to stay in NY for length of time they will be in the program, so most will eventually have to find work and contribute to NY's economy, once they graduate. They graduate with a degree, skills, and a good chance for a career. It beats paying off student loans, which could take a number of years to pay off for many, and often ruins one's credit, if not paid off.

Taxes will be too high and they will leave for better jobs elsewhere. No rule they will stay. Other countries may even start to use NY like a major league baseball farm team.

Young college grads FLOCK to NYC from all over the country . They LOVE it here ! They like the nightlife, and the food, and the culture....an educated person would much rather live here than in Buttfuck, WI or Asswipe, GA, no matter how low the taxes are there, because they want to enjoy the finer things in life when they are still young and free

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Taxes will be too high and they will leave for better jobs elsewhere. No rule they will stay. Other countries may even start to use NY like a major league baseball farm team.

Young college grads FLOCK to NYC from all over the country . They LOVE it here ! They like the nightlife, and the food, and the culture....an educated person would much rather live here than in Buttfuck, WI or Asswipe, GA, no matter how low the taxes are there, because they want to enjoy the finer things in life when they are still young and free

Worth it if you have Trump or Stern money. If you just get by not banking a shitload of money yearly at least 100k into savings. Not worth it even if you have the city night life. I would rather ave lived in bum fuck MPLS around 94. Just getting by no thanks I'd rather be death, face down in the dirt with a bullet in my head as Crue said.

My friend lived in NYC but he was a programmer that sold software for millions all in one year and semi retired and he liked it but just getting by I would pass.

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My friend in NYC brough a girfriend home to his parents in a collar on a dog leash and they accepted it because he could he had fuck you money and they had to accept it. That is what I'm talking about.

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Mid 800s. Can't get credit to 850 and it bothers me. Credit scores and std tests are important.

anything over 800 is prime! really over 750

I would like to get 850 but probably I don't have enough payments. I have everything paid off and just living expenses. Saving does not factor I get that but how does one get to 850?

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Taxes will be too high and they will leave for better jobs elsewhere. No rule they will stay. Other countries may even start to use NY like a major league baseball farm team.

Young college grads FLOCK to NYC from all over the country . They LOVE it here ! They like the nightlife, and the food, and the culture....an educated person would much rather live here than in Buttfuck, WI or Asswipe, GA, no matter how low the taxes are there, because they want to enjoy the finer things in life when they are still young and free

funny how you make something as basic as a preference into an insult! lol

you like that kind of thing, many prefer a different lifestyle.... all things being equal i rather live in the country in the woods on a lake....

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SuperFurryAnimal said:



jjhunsecker said:




SuperFurryAnimal said:




Taxes will be too high and they will leave for better jobs elsewhere. No rule they will stay. Other countries may even start to use NY like a major league baseball farm team.




Young college grads FLOCK to NYC from all over the country . They LOVE it here ! They like the nightlife, and the food, and the culture....an educated person would much rather live here than in Buttfuck, WI or Asswipe, GA, no matter how low the taxes are there, because they want to enjoy the finer things in life when they are still young and free




Worth it if you have Trump or Stern money. If you just get by not banking a shitload of money yearly at least 100k into savings. Not worth it even if you have the city night life. I would rather ave lived in bum fuck MPLS around 94. Just getting by no thanks I'd rather be death, face down in the dirt with a bullet in my head as Crue said.


My friend lived in NYC but he was a programmer that sold software for millions all in one year and semi retired and he liked it but just getting by I would pass.



Huge amounts of young educated people come here , and enjoy life. They fill up restaurants and bars and clubs, and go to galleries and events and concerts. They get roommates so they can afford the rent. They want to enjoy life while they can, and I don't blame them . It's great to open your mind to new experiences and things, and not lock yourself into a little bubble .
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jjhunsecker said:




SuperFurryAnimal said:




Taxes will be too high and they will leave for better jobs elsewhere. No rule they will stay. Other countries may even start to use NY like a major league baseball farm team.




Young college grads FLOCK to NYC from all over the country . They LOVE it here ! They like the nightlife, and the food, and the culture....an educated person would much rather live here than in Buttfuck, WI or Asswipe, GA, no matter how low the taxes are there, because they want to enjoy the finer things in life when they are still young and free





funny how you make something as basic as a preference into an insult! lol

you like that kind of thing, many prefer a different lifestyle.... all things being equal i rather live in the country in the woods on a lake....



How is that an "insult" ?
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2elijah said:


SuperFurryAnimal said: Can you read? The trade off is participants have to stay in NY for length of time they will be in the program, so most will eventually have to find work and contribute to NY's economy, once they graduate. They graduate with a degree, skills, and a good chance for a career. It beats paying off student loans, which could take a number of years to pay off for many, and often ruins one's credit, if not paid off.


Taxes will be too high and they will leave for better jobs elsewhere. No rule they will stay. Other countries may even start to use NY like a major league baseball farm team.




Young college grads FLOCK to NYC from all over the country . They LOVE it here ! They like the nightlife, and the food, and the culture....an educated person would much rather live here than in Buttfuck, WI or Asswipe, GA, no matter how low the taxes are there, because they want to enjoy the finer things in life when they are still young and free


Exactly! You're right about that. Many will eventually stay longer than is required as a participant in the program, once they graduate. NYC especially is not short of culture here and not boring. Many graduates will put money back into New York's economy, once they graduate, and land a job. Governor Ciomo did good with this proposal. This proposal gives hope for a better future, for many youth here. What's great is that it starts this fall for famili
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

funny how you make something as basic as a preference into an insult! lol

you like that kind of thing, many prefer a different lifestyle.... all things being equal i rather live in the country in the woods on a lake....

How is that an "insult" ?

you meant it as such "an educated person would much rather live here than in Buttfuck, WI or Asswipe, GA"

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