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Thread started 03/29/17 1:16am

RicoN

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Article 50 - will it keep the dirty foreigners out of our Great Britain?

Well, today is quite possibly is the nadir of my experience of politics in my lifetime. It's makes the way the Tories gutted the industries of the north and Wales in the 80's pale into insignificance.

Say goodbye to workers rights, say goodbye to human rights (because human rights are a really bad thing).

If it wasn't my daughter's birthday today I think I might possibly cry.

Yes, I've probably made a spelling mistake, but I can't be arsed to go back and correc tit.
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Reply #1 posted 03/29/17 4:28am

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Dear Brits.

The day has come. A full nine months after its conception, the Article 50 letter to the European Union is on its way to Brussels. Congratulations. You lot chose to liberate yourselves from EU gag rules that prevent you from running your own democracy. We were there, in London on the evening of Brexit. It was a great night, followed by a glorious morning of watching the EU wake up, its politicians (and the press) in utter dismay. And dismayed, they are still. But not everyone hates you. We are here to tell you that many, many people support Brexit. Just not the ones who run most politics & most media - but they have long been known to have become a little out of touch with the commoners. You voted for Brexit during the Dutch EU Council Presidency, and we for one enjoyed the hell out of it. Would the Netherlands itself be better off out? Doubtful. We're small. We're on mainland Europe. We're stuck in the downward ratchet of the Euro currency. So we'll hang back here for a while. See what happens. But we see your departure from the EU, and we applaud it. For hopefully, it will teach Brussels a desperately needed lesson in democracy, self-determination, and sovereignty. The EU has none of that, while most people, not just the British, really do desire to have it - preferably in combination with a healthy dose of national pride in one's own culture, history and heritage. So good luck, Brits. May you live long and prosper in freedom and democracy, outside the stifling rule of the European Union. And may we, too, profit from your departure by gaining more democracy and less meddling from undemocratic "leaders" in far away & out of touch Brussels. Cheers!

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Reply #2 posted 03/29/17 4:53am

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Hi! Here's one of those dirty foreigners who was recently shouted at by a woman in the street ("Freaking foreigners who freaking come here to spend all of out freaking taxes"; she didn't actually say "freaking"; and she doesn't pay taxes; I do) and who doesn't know whether they'll still be allowed to live in their own home (bought with my own money) because the incompetent government who created this "freaking" mess didn't actually think this "freaking" mess would happen and they didn't have a "freaking" plan in case it "freaking" did...

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Reply #3 posted 03/29/17 6:41am

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You're right, Soldier, the "leave" camp has no plan whatsoever. So yes, good luck, Brits, when you'll find out that wanting to stay part of the European market without being part of the EU isn't going to be as easy as you think.
Don't ever lose your dreams.
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Reply #4 posted 03/29/17 6:43am

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NorthC said:

You're right, Soldier, the "leave" camp has no plan whatsoever. So yes, good luck, Brits, when you'll find out that wanting to stay part of the European market without being part of the EU isn't going to be as easy as you think.



May thinks she can have her red,white and blue cake and eat it.

I hope the europeans seriously fuck us over.

Yes, I've probably made a spelling mistake, but I can't be arsed to go back and correc tit.
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Reply #5 posted 03/29/17 6:45am

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SomeSoldier said:

Hi! Here's one of those dirty foreigners who was recently shouted at by a woman in the street ("Freaking foreigners who freaking come here to spend all of out freaking taxes"; she didn't actually say "freaking"; and she doesn't pay taxes; I do) and who doesn't know whether they'll still be allowed to live in their own home (bought with my own money) because the incompetent government who created this "freaking" mess didn't actually think this "freaking" mess would happen and they didn't have a "freaking" plan in case it "freaking" did...



Since the day of the vote I've been ashamed at the attitude that has been unleashed.

But at least we showed the muslamics that we mean business dead

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Yes, I've probably made a spelling mistake, but I can't be arsed to go back and correc tit.
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Reply #6 posted 03/29/17 7:58am

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Happy birthday to your daughter! I hope she has a great day!

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Reply #7 posted 03/30/17 2:28am

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RodeoSchro said:

Happy birthday to your daughter! I hope she has a great day!



Thans Rodeo smile

Yes, I've probably made a spelling mistake, but I can't be arsed to go back and correc tit.
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Reply #8 posted 03/30/17 3:25pm

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Personally I'm delighted article 50 has been actioned. The UK was always a square peg in a round hole. The French never wanted us in the EU, the 18 countries who are net benefactors will miss the UK money and Germany/France can now speed up their federal takeover dream.

I was a big supporter of the EU, but I've watched it try to avoid democratic principles at every turn, act corruptly, show contempt to individual national situations and near bankrupt southern states to prop up their bankers.

Even now, they are acting like bullies. When they suggest a negotiation approach, its for the benefit of their people. When the UK do exactly the same, they scream blackmail.

I have great sympathy for the 48% who didn't get their way, but a many of them have shown more nastiness and bigatory than I ever believed.

Brexit isn't Tory or Labour. Its broader and more long term than that, but the left wing remainers are desperately trying to make it a 'Tory' thing to give then someone to blame and re-enforce a left / right divide in light of the Labour party collapsing.

I love Europe, I just don't like the corrupt EU. Big difference. The UK may be the first out, but they won't be the last.

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Reply #9 posted 03/31/17 7:08pm

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SomeSoldier said:

Hi! Here's one of those dirty foreigners who was recently shouted at by a woman in the street ("Freaking foreigners who freaking come here to spend all of out freaking taxes"; she didn't actually say "freaking"; and she doesn't pay taxes; I do) and who doesn't know whether they'll still be allowed to live in their own home (bought with my own money) because the incompetent government who created this "freaking" mess didn't actually think this "freaking" mess would happen and they didn't have a "freaking" plan in case it "freaking" did...

An actually that woman does not exist, actually that never happened. lol lol

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Reply #10 posted 03/31/17 7:09pm

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NorthC said:

You're right, Soldier, the "leave" camp has no plan whatsoever. So yes, good luck, Brits, when you'll find out that wanting to stay part of the European market without being part of the EU isn't going to be as easy as you think.

Indeed, you can't have it all i guess.

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Reply #11 posted 04/01/17 1:06am

SomeSoldier

214 said:



SomeSoldier said:


Hi! Here's one of those dirty foreigners who was recently shouted at by a woman in the street ("Freaking foreigners who freaking come here to spend all of out freaking taxes"; she didn't actually say "freaking"; and she doesn't pay taxes; I do) and who doesn't know whether they'll still be allowed to live in their own home (bought with my own money) because the incompetent government who created this "freaking" mess didn't actually think this "freaking" mess would happen and they didn't have a "freaking" plan in case it "freaking" did...



An actually that woman does not exist, actually that never happened. lol lol


Well, I don't have a clue why you wrote that. I can assure you she's real.
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Reply #12 posted 04/01/17 11:02am

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Personally I'm delighted article 50 has been actioned. The UK was always a square peg in a round hole. The French never wanted us in the EU, the 18 countries who are net benefactors will miss the UK money and Germany/France can now speed up their federal takeover dream.

I was a big supporter of the EU, but I've watched it try to avoid democratic principles at every turn, act corruptly, show contempt to individual national situations and near bankrupt southern states to prop up their bankers.

Even now, they are acting like bullies. When they suggest a negotiation approach, its for the benefit of their people. When the UK do exactly the same, they scream blackmail.

I have great sympathy for the 48% who didn't get their way, but a many of them have shown more nastiness and bigatory than I ever believed.

Brexit isn't Tory or Labour. Its broader and more long term than that, but the left wing remainers are desperately trying to make it a 'Tory' thing to give then someone to blame and re-enforce a left / right divide in light of the Labour party collapsing.

I love Europe, I just don't like the corrupt EU. Big difference. The UK may be the first out, but they won't be the last.

I agree - the EU is/was corrupt - they failed miserably to take effective action with the Greek economic situation and also with the refugee crisis. How they thought it was acceptable just to allow the deaths of thousands in the sea is unbelieveable.


I wish the EU hadn't changed beyond recognition from what was voted for in 1983, but it did, and though there were many benefits, there were significant problems, that IMO, would not have changed had we voted remain.

I have experienced some horrible remarks for saying I think Brexit will be good in the long term, but ultimately, I don't understand why there is not more vitriol directed at David Cameron - he knew he didn't stand a chance of winning the general election outright without a referendum promise, and that promise backfired big-time. If anyone blames me for voting Brexit, I always tell them to blame Cameron for allowing me the chance to. I hate the Tories so it definitely isn't a Tory/Labour divide.


It is sad that Brexit has been so divisive so far, I fear that it will get worse but, though I hate May with a passion, I do think she is genuinely doing her best. Only time will tell whether her best is any good or not.

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Reply #13 posted 04/01/17 5:16pm

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NorthC said:

You're right, Soldier, the "leave" camp has no plan whatsoever. So yes, good luck, Brits, when you'll find out that wanting to stay part of the European market without being part of the EU isn't going to be as easy as you think.


The UK is and always will be European so it will always be part of the European market.

There is a common misinterpretation between Europe and the EU. Those in the EU often think 'we are Europe'. But Iceland, Norway, Switzerland, Denmark and the now the UK, will obviously point out the error in that.

As for the EU Single market (which I think you were refering to), I don't think the UK will remain, but it will always have access, but under WTO rules. It will be a shame, but actually hit Germany and France harder than the UK due to the trade deficit.

I just think its sad for all Europeans if politics and power play has an economic negative effect on the people. Thats what Brussels want to do.

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[Edited 4/1/17 18:46pm]

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Reply #14 posted 04/02/17 2:09am

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NorthC said:

You're right, Soldier, the "leave" camp has no plan whatsoever. So yes, good luck, Brits, when you'll find out that wanting to stay part of the European market without being part of the EU isn't going to be as easy as you think.


The UK is and always will be European so it will always be part of the European market.

There is a common misinterpretation between Europe and the EU. Those in the EU often think 'we are Europe'. But Iceland, Norway, Switzerland, Denmark and the now the UK, will obviously point out the error in that.

As for the EU Single market (which I think you were refering to), I don't think the UK will remain, but it will always have access, but under WTO rules. It will be a shame, but actually hit Germany and France harder than the UK due to the trade deficit.

I just think its sad for all Europeans if politics and power play has an economic negative effect on the people. Thats what Brussels want to do.

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[Edited 4/1/17 18:46pm]

Brussels really need to show that Britain is not better out of the EU to avoid others following. Therefore they need an economic negativity in Britain and economic growth in the EU countries. Brexit could signal the collapse of the EU and the Euro if Britain does financially well out of it.

What, IMO, the British people want is not so much immigration based (I hate the way the media are portraying Brexit voters as racists and xenophobes), but moreover that our health service has reached a crisis point which means it is unsustainable unless drastic measures are taken. I believe most British people see the NHS as a provision that we do not want to lose and therefore that more money needs to be found to support it. Though the bus slogans of the NHS getting an extra £300+ million a week are clearly exaggerated, there is no reason the NHS cannot be funded properly. British people are angry at the cuts made to their own services under the label 'austerity' whilst paying Europe billions and billions and not showing signs of austerity with the billions that leave the country and fund the lavish lifestyle of the EU.

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Reply #15 posted 04/02/17 1:00pm

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214 said:

An actually that woman does not exist, actually that never happened. lol lol

Well, I don't have a clue why you wrote that. I can assure you she's real.

Just fun, nothing ethereal.

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Reply #16 posted 04/02/17 1:07pm

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maplenpg said:

SquirrelMeat said:


The UK is and always will be European so it will always be part of the European market.

There is a common misinterpretation between Europe and the EU. Those in the EU often think 'we are Europe'. But Iceland, Norway, Switzerland, Denmark and the now the UK, will obviously point out the error in that.

As for the EU Single market (which I think you were refering to), I don't think the UK will remain, but it will always have access, but under WTO rules. It will be a shame, but actually hit Germany and France harder than the UK due to the trade deficit.

I just think its sad for all Europeans if politics and power play has an economic negative effect on the people. Thats what Brussels want to do.

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[Edited 4/1/17 18:46pm]

Brussels really need to show that Britain is not better out of the EU to avoid others following. Therefore they need an economic negativity in Britain and economic growth in the EU countries. Brexit could signal the collapse of the EU and the Euro if Britain does financially well out of it.

What, IMO, the British people want is not so much immigration based (I hate the way the media are portraying Brexit voters as racists and xenophobes), but moreover that our health service has reached a crisis point which means it is unsustainable unless drastic measures are taken. I believe most British people see the NHS as a provision that we do not want to lose and therefore that more money needs to be found to support it. Though the bus slogans of the NHS getting an extra £300+ million a week are clearly exaggerated, there is no reason the NHS cannot be funded properly. British people are angry at the cuts made to their own services under the label 'austerity' whilst paying Europe billions and billions and not showing signs of austerity with the billions that leave the country and fund the lavish lifestyle of the EU.

Best and most important point, i think. Bottom line, so to speak.

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Reply #17 posted 04/07/17 5:27pm

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214 said:

maplenpg said:

Brussels really need to show that Britain is not better out of the EU to avoid others following. Therefore they need an economic negativity in Britain and economic growth in the EU countries. Brexit could signal the collapse of the EU and the Euro if Britain does financially well out of it.

Best and most important point, i think. Bottom line, so to speak.


I don't disagree, but there seems to be one glaring question that seems to be avoided by the pro EU media and EU itself.

If a 'better deal' is available (and wants to be avoided offering the UK), then why not offer it to all members? The very fact that a better deal is plausable means that it is being withheld from members.

In essence, the 'better deal' is the trade without the bureaucracy and finacial liabilities. But the people who do not want to offer this are the very people who are unelectably in charge, financially benefit from the bureaucracy, with tens of thousands on huge salaries, gold plated pensions, private shopping centres and art galleries.


That is what used to be called a 'racket'.

So basically, those in charge want to punish the UK, to keep the others in line. That is exactly the same practice as the mob.

It was easier to force Greece, but the problem with the UK is the negative impact on all. The UK GDP is bigger than 19 of the EU 27 combined. It is also a net importer (known as 'treasure island' behind closed doors).

Add the fact that the UK is the second biggest net contributor to the EU budget (the biggest if you take into account that Germany took a break in payments for unificaction) and there is a black hole in the already dubious budget.

I think most of the EU would prefer a return to the EEC trade pact, but the non elected EU has it's tenticles so entwined that it will be difficult to avoid everyone drowning.

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Reply #18 posted 04/08/17 4:17am

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214 said:

Best and most important point, i think. Bottom line, so to speak.


I don't disagree, but there seems to be one glaring question that seems to be avoided by the pro EU media and EU itself.

If a 'better deal' is available (and wants to be avoided offering the UK), then why not offer it to all members? The very fact that a better deal is plausable means that it is being withheld from members.

In essence, the 'better deal' is the trade without the bureaucracy and finacial liabilities. But the people who do not want to offer this are the very people who are unelectably in charge, financially benefit from the bureaucracy, with tens of thousands on huge salaries, gold plated pensions, private shopping centres and art galleries.


That is what used to be called a 'racket'.

So basically, those in charge want to punish the UK, to keep the others in line. That is exactly the same practice as the mob.

It was easier to force Greece, but the problem with the UK is the negative impact on all. The UK GDP is bigger than 19 of the EU 27 combined. It is also a net importer (known as 'treasure island' behind closed doors).

Add the fact that the UK is the second biggest net contributor to the EU budget (the biggest if you take into account that Germany took a break in payments for unificaction) and there is a black hole in the already dubious budget.

I think most of the EU would prefer a return to the EEC trade pact, but the non elected EU has it's tenticles so entwined that it will be difficult to avoid everyone drowning.

I completely agree with all of this.

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