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Reply #30 posted 03/18/17 7:54am

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Midnightmover - There are so many ASS-sumptions in your reply it's ridiculous. You have no idea what or who I support because you never waver from your schtick. I did weigh in, on this thread. New "labels" will be coined by the likes of you, and used as gospel before I die the same voter I always have been. You think those words change anything?

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Reply #31 posted 03/18/17 8:14am

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Okay, I read your earlier post. Good stuff. You know you're getting ripped off. But don't you think the corporate Democrats who have gone along with that (and given us Donald Trump) should be punished for it? Don't you think there should be some penalties? Isn't that how democracy is supposed to work? If you agree then I don't get why you're attacking me. It's pretty simple. Keep rewarding these clowns and you will keep getting screwed.


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Reply #32 posted 03/18/17 10:36am

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I'm well aware that Dems are meant to be left and Reps meant to be right, but anyone who looks at the facts knows that's a joke. Their worldview is identical in most cases. Only on the social issues are there any differences and even that is mostly rhetoric.

Attacking poor people is obviously one of your favourite things to do so I'm sure you enjoyed watching Obama do it too. Hopefully clips like that will make you realize that he is the opposite of the Marxist radical that you guys portrayed him as. He's a corporatist, just like most of the Democrat and Republican politicians. They're on the same side, laughing at fools like you who think they're so different. Trump was friends with Bill and Hillary for decades. Hillary gets on great with George Bush. It's a phony war that they're waging in public. Pull back the curtain, and look at the actual bills they pass and decisions they make and you will see there is plenty of bipartisan collaboration going on because they both serve the same interests.


Plenty of other differences between the two parties. Dems are for big government spending leading to dependence on the government, but it's the exact opposite with Republicans. Etc etc.

Suggesting that people in general should spend their money more wisely is not "attacking poor people". People who piss away money shouldn't be asking for handouts.

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Reply #33 posted 03/18/17 10:54am

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Pokeno4Money said:

midnightmover said:


Plenty of other differences between the two parties. Dems are for big government spending leading to dependence on the government, but it's the exact opposite with Republicans. Etc etc.

Suggesting that people in general should spend their money more wisely is not "attacking poor people". People who piss away money shouldn't be asking for handouts.

Sorry to ruin your fantasies with anything as boring as facts, but you are completely inverting reality here. Ronald Reagan ran the biggest peacetime deficit in history at the same time as he was talking about reducing government. It was Bill Clinton (who you foolishly think is left wing) who genuinely did slash the deficit in the 90s. Then the Republican George Bush sent it through the roof in the 00s. Anyone who's paying any attention can already see that Trump is going to ramp up the deficit even more right now. His pledged increase to the already bloated military budget clearly shows he doesn't give a fuck about "fiscal responsibility".

The fact that you actually believe the deficit-busting rhetoric of Republicans is a clear sign that you are easily fooled. Here's a quote from Dick Cheney (who probably has a good laugh at people like you)....


"Reagan proved deficits don't matter."

lol So keep believing all that Republican propaganda. Makes you look real smart.

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Reply #34 posted 03/25/17 12:17am

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midnightmover said:

Pokeno4Money said:


Plenty of other differences between the two parties. Dems are for big government spending leading to dependence on the government, but it's the exact opposite with Republicans. Etc etc.

Suggesting that people in general should spend their money more wisely is not "attacking poor people". People who piss away money shouldn't be asking for handouts.

Sorry to ruin your fantasies with anything as boring as facts, but you are completely inverting reality here. Ronald Reagan ran the biggest peacetime deficit in history at the same time as he was talking about reducing government. It was Bill Clinton (who you foolishly think is left wing) who genuinely did slash the deficit in the 90s. Then the Republican George Bush sent it through the roof in the 00s. Anyone who's paying any attention can already see that Trump is going to ramp up the deficit even more right now. His pledged increase to the already bloated military budget clearly shows he doesn't give a fuck about "fiscal responsibility".

The fact that you actually believe the deficit-busting rhetoric of Republicans is a clear sign that you are easily fooled. Here's a quote from Dick Cheney (who probably has a good laugh at people like you)....


"Reagan proved deficits don't matter."

lol So keep believing all that Republican propaganda. Makes you look real smart.


What on Earth are you talking about? The federal debt has been going steadily up under every president since the Ford Administration. Check out what it did under Clinton. And while you're at it, take a look at the percentage increase under Obama. At the time he left office, the number was $19 trillion .... and when he took office 8 years ago, it was $10 trillion.

United States Federal Debt by President and Political Party


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Reply #35 posted 03/25/17 1:46am

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midnightmover said:

purplepoppy said:

Same old same Saturday midnightmover schtick. Never changes. American politics are toys he plays with. No skin in the game, no need to do anything but bash all of us with his armchair opinions.

But what about the actual point? Do you agree with Obama's right-wing argument? Will you even admit that it's a right-wing argument?

And thank God I'm not American. You guys have got the worst healthcare system in the Western world. You must have no self respect to put up with the AWFUL deal you get. You pay twice as much as Brits do for a poorer service. You're being ripped off by big pharma, but you support the accomplices of big pharma like Obama and Cory Booker. You must have Stockholm Syndrome.


It's all in what you're used to. Yes, we definitely DO have the worst healthcare system, but it's what most people have grown up knowing. So if you don't know any different than what you have, it doesn't seem that bad.

That said, I don't understand how anyone can think that a for-profit healthcare system can be any good....

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Reply #36 posted 03/25/17 8:42am

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Guitar, good to see you slog out of the right wing gutter.

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Reply #37 posted 03/25/17 9:10am

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guitarslinger44 said:

midnightmover said:

But what about the actual point? Do you agree with Obama's right-wing argument? Will you even admit that it's a right-wing argument?

And thank God I'm not American. You guys have got the worst healthcare system in the Western world. You must have no self respect to put up with the AWFUL deal you get. You pay twice as much as Brits do for a poorer service. You're being ripped off by big pharma, but you support the accomplices of big pharma like Obama and Cory Booker. You must have Stockholm Syndrome.


It's all in what you're used to. Yes, we definitely DO have the worst healthcare system, but it's what most people have grown up knowing. So if you don't know any different than what you have, it doesn't seem that bad.

That said, I don't understand how anyone can think that a for-profit healthcare system can be any good....

Agree. Neutral ground.

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Reply #38 posted 04/01/17 3:01am

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Pokeno4Money said:

midnightmover said:

Sorry to ruin your fantasies with anything as boring as facts, but you are completely inverting reality here. Ronald Reagan ran the biggest peacetime deficit in history at the same time as he was talking about reducing government. It was Bill Clinton (who you foolishly think is left wing) who genuinely did slash the deficit in the 90s. Then the Republican George Bush sent it through the roof in the 00s. Anyone who's paying any attention can already see that Trump is going to ramp up the deficit even more right now. His pledged increase to the already bloated military budget clearly shows he doesn't give a fuck about "fiscal responsibility".

The fact that you actually believe the deficit-busting rhetoric of Republicans is a clear sign that you are easily fooled. Here's a quote from Dick Cheney (who probably has a good laugh at people like you)....


"Reagan proved deficits don't matter."

lol So keep believing all that Republican propaganda. Makes you look real smart.


What on Earth are you talking about? The federal debt has been going steadily up under every president since the Ford Administration. Check out what it did under Clinton. And while you're at it, take a look at the percentage increase under Obama. At the time he left office, the number was $19 trillion .... and when he took office 8 years ago, it was $10 trillion.

United States Federal Debt by President and Political Party


What I'm talking about is your factually incorrect claim that Republicans are tougher on the deficit than Democrats. The facts do not back up that claim for the reasons I have already given.

Also, you need to learn the difference between deficits and debt. They are not the same thing. The deficits were eliminated in Bill Clinton's second term. He is the only President to do this in the modern era. Reagan and Bush were the worst. The increase in the deficit under Obama was due to his inheriting the biggest financial crisis since the 1930s from George Bush. After that initial mess was cleared up Obama reduced the deficit by two thirds.

And as I've said Trump is clearly planning to massively ramp up the deficit right now, so it's pretty clear Republicans don't actually give a fuck about the deficit. That's just their excuse to cut programs that help poor people. Like a total chump you have taken their rhetoric at face value.

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Reply #39 posted 04/01/17 4:00am

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What I'm talking about is your factually incorrect claim that Republicans are tougher on the deficit than Democrats. The facts do not back up that claim for the reasons I have already given.

Also, you need to learn the difference between deficits and debt. They are not the same thing. The deficits were eliminated in Bill Clinton's second term. He is the only President to do this in the modern era. Reagan and Bush were the worst. The increase in the deficit under Obama was due to his inheriting the biggest financial crisis since the 1930s from George Bush. After that initial mess was cleared up Obama reduced the deficit by two thirds.

And as I've said Trump is clearly planning to massively ramp up the deficit right now, so it's pretty clear Republicans don't actually give a fuck about the deficit. That's just their excuse to cut programs that help poor people. Like a total chump you have taken their rhetoric at face value.


Wait a minute ... I don't see where I'm the one who brought up the deficit first, or where I said Republicans are tougher on the deficit. You're again seeing things that aren't there. The deficit shouldn't even be discussed here as it has nothing to do with the thread topic. You swerved off topic 3/18 10:54 AM.

This is what I wrote in response to your statement that Obama is rightwing: "Dems are for big government spending leading to dependence on the government, but it's the exact opposite with Republicans."

More government spending doesn't necessarily mean a bigger deficit, because the spending is often offset by increases in personal income taxes, corporate taxes, and other taxes such as Obamacare.


BTW - Whatever Trump "plans" to do is irrelevant, because he'll either change his mind or won't be allowed to do it. I've said time and time again, he's the president of the United States ... not the Dictator of the United States. There's not much he can do on his own.

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Reply #40 posted 04/01/17 4:35am

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Pokeno4Money said:

midnightmover said:


Wait a minute ... I don't see where I'm the one who brought up the deficit first, or where I said Republicans are tougher on the deficit. You're again seeing things that aren't there. The deficit shouldn't even be discussed here as it has nothing to do with the thread topic. You swerved off topic 3/18 10:54 AM.

This is what I wrote in response to your statement that Obama is rightwing: "Dems are for big government spending leading to dependence on the government, but it's the exact opposite with Republicans."

More government spending doesn't necessarily mean a bigger deficit, because the spending is often offset by increases in personal income taxes, corporate taxes, and other taxes such as Obamacare.


BTW - Whatever Trump "plans" to do is irrelevant, because he'll either change his mind or won't be allowed to do it. I've said time and time again, he's the president of the United States ... not the Dictator of the United States. There's not much he can do on his own.

But Republicans love spending money too. How do you think Bush paid for the Iraq War? Look at how Republicans defend corporate welfare. They love it just as much as the Dems. They even pass laws to make sure taxpayers are ripped off by big pharmaceutical companies, thus guaranteeing huge unearned profits for their sugar daddies. This is standard procedure for both Dems and Republicans.

And I have to remind you the biggest welfare cuts have happened under Democrat administrations. Bill Clinton cut welfare more than any Republican. Obama has massively reduced the deficit over the last 7 years not by raising taxes but by forcing austerity onto local government. Fact is the DNC is a right wing organization when it comes to economic matters. They just like to sweeten it up with lots of empty talk about how racism is bad and sexism is uncalled for. Looks like you fell for the empty talk. In this you are just the same as Hillary-supporting Democrats.

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Reply #41 posted 04/01/17 4:59am

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midnightmover said:

Pokeno4Money said:


Wait a minute ... I don't see where I'm the one who brought up the deficit first, or where I said Republicans are tougher on the deficit. You're again seeing things that aren't there. The deficit shouldn't even be discussed here as it has nothing to do with the thread topic. You swerved off topic 3/18 10:54 AM.

This is what I wrote in response to your statement that Obama is rightwing: "Dems are for big government spending leading to dependence on the government, but it's the exact opposite with Republicans."

More government spending doesn't necessarily mean a bigger deficit, because the spending is often offset by increases in personal income taxes, corporate taxes, and other taxes such as Obamacare.


BTW - Whatever Trump "plans" to do is irrelevant, because he'll either change his mind or won't be allowed to do it. I've said time and time again, he's the president of the United States ... not the Dictator of the United States. There's not much he can do on his own.

But Republicans love spending money too. How do you think Bush paid for the Iraq War? Look at how Republicans defend corporate welfare. They love it just as much as the Dems. They even pass laws to make sure taxpayers are ripped off by big pharmaceutical companies, thus guaranteeing huge unearned profits for their sugar daddies. This is standard procedure for both Dems and Republicans.

And I have to remind you the biggest welfare cuts have happened under Democrat administrations. Bill Clinton cut welfare more than any Republican. Obama has massively reduced the deficit over the last 7 years not by raising taxes but by forcing austerity onto local government. Fact is the DNC is a right wing organization when it comes to economic matters. They just like to sweeten it up with lots of empty talk about how racism is bad and sexism is uncalled for. Looks like you fell for the empty talk. In this you are just the same as Hillary-supporting Democrats.


Yes, of course Republicans spend more money on certain things. For example, they often like to spend more money on the military. The worst thing about all government, both Republican and Democrat, is that they aren't very responsible with spending money because of one simple reason: It's not their money that's being spent. Each year that apathy leads to a massive amount of wasteful spending.

Okay I accept what you're saying. Some of it I agree with, the rest I won't disagree with.


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Reply #42 posted 04/01/17 5:27am

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